[00:00] <Yowl> grimeston There is very little practical difference between a partition and a FS
[00:01] <grimeton> Yowl: it's just an apple and a banana, but yes, still fruit
[00:01] <apb> Yowl: You're messing with low level stuff... there is no "safe way".  If the tool does it's job properly - and you don't do something silly, then it should be safe.
[00:01] <SunTsu> Yowl: you're wrong
[00:01] <Yowl> grimeston https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux) On small systems (like a desktop at home), instead of having to estimate at installation time how big a partition might need to be in the future, LVM allows file systems to be easily resized later as needed.
[00:01] <grimeton> Yowl: that's wrong
[00:01] <grimeton> Yowl: try to shrink xfs - if you make it, i give you 100 bucks.us
[00:02] <apb> a file system is not a partition and vice versa
[00:02] <grimeton> Yowl: the partition sets the limits for the filesystem
[00:02] <Yowl> grimeton: I don't even know what xfs is
[00:02] <apb> You can have partitions with no file system.  You cannot have file systems without partitions.
[00:02] <grimeton> Yowl: and the filesystem lives inside the partition
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> MangaKaDenza: looks like you must have errors, show it to the Chanel, or look at thsi website to generate an source list. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[00:02] <grimeton> apb: that's wrong too
[00:02] <SunTsu> Yowl: a partition is nothing more than an information in the partition table. Where, how large, and a type. The filesystem contains all data and meta data information
[00:02] <Yowl> grimeton: You can have multiple different FS on a single partition?
[00:02] <grimeton> Yowl: no
[00:03] <grimeton> Yowl: look, you know microsoft excel?
[00:03] <SunTsu> Yowl: why do you ask at all if you don't believe what people tell you?
[00:03] <Yowl> grimeton:  Partitions need one FS to work, and FS can only be the side of a partition, so what is the great difference between them?
[00:04] <grimeton> Yowl: it works like this:
[00:04] <Yowl> SunTsu: When it contradicts what other people have told me, I can't equally believe contradicting statements without being crazy
[00:04] <SunTsu> Yowl: "A parking space only can hold one car, and a car can only be in one parking slot, so what's the difference?"
[00:04] <grimeton> Yowl: you have a harddrive, which is just like a plain piece of paper
[00:04] <Yowl> SunTsu: Not a very good analogy
[00:05] <dustinspringman> vc
[00:05] <grimeton> Yowl: at the beginning of the harddrive (yes there is gpt, and blablabla), there is a table that tells the system what partition is stored where on the harddrive, like a table at the top of the page that tells people where to sign on it
[00:05] <Yowl> SunTsu: Nor is it true, a car can park across multiple parking spots, or not park in one at all
[00:06] <grimeton> Yowl: the kernel then reads the table and sees that there is a partition with a filesystem that is linux compatible (83), starting at row five and going to row 10
[00:06] <Yowl> grimeton: I do not know microsoft excel
[00:06] <grimeton> Yowl: and then the filesystem is put between row 5 and row 10, e.g. the person can use row 5 to 10 to sign there
[00:06] <grimeton> Yowl: you want to read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning
[00:06] <grimeton> BEFORE you read anything about volume managers
[00:07] <SunTsu> Yowl: yeah, a filesystem can span multiple partitions, too, you just need to force it. And there can be no filesystem in a partition at all, and a partition can cover a whole device...
[00:07] <faugusztin> Yowl: imagine a book. the book is your hard drive. Each page is a partition - it defines the space you have, but on it's own it is a blank paper. And then your text is your filesystem, your data :)
[00:07] <Yowl> SunTsu: It doesn't span the partitions, would just be the same on each partition
[00:08] <SunTsu> Yowl: No.
[00:08] <grimeton> and now the specialities: you can have a filesystem on a disk without a partiton, you can let your filesystem span multiple partitions, you can sub partition your filesystem, you can have a filesystem on top of a volume inside a volume manager spanned over multiple, interrupted partitions about multiple block devices
[00:08] <apb> Good analogy faugusztin ... except that the file system would be more like the index of the book.
[00:08] <grimeton> i heard that some people have usb thumbdrive raid 6 setups with those 48 port usb2 hubs
[00:08] <faugusztin> grimeton: and even better, there are virtual filesystems on top of other filesystems :D
[00:08] <SunTsu> apb: no, that would be the partition table/gpt
[00:09] <Yowl> faugusztin: Well as far as I know the FS would be the printer, font,  and page layout that provides the layout for your words on the page in that analogy
[00:09] <grimeton> faugusztin: yeah and you can have zfs
[00:09] <Yowl> I mean foundation for the words
[00:09] <grimeton> which is pretty much xfs on lvm
[00:09] <faugusztin> grimeton: i was personally thinking about mhddfs, which joins multiple filesystems on virtual level to one, single, pooled filesystem :D
[00:09] <SunTsu> grimeton: zfs is very different from xfs, zfs is more akin to git on file level
[00:09] <clifter> What is terminal command to see which version Ubuntu you are currently working in?
[00:10] <grimeton> SunTsu: ehm wot?
[00:10] <SunTsu> er file system level
[00:10] <grimeton> clifter: lsb_release -r
[00:10] <faugusztin> clifter: cat /etc/issue
[00:10] <grimeton> SunTsu: ehm wot?
[00:10] <Yowl> grimestone Partition is the mapping for kernals to find things, and FS is the data infrastructure, right?
[00:10] <grimeton> Yowl: yeah that covers it pretty much
[00:11] <Yowl> grimeton: Yeah, but for practical purposes, they are the same thing, you can't resize a FS without resizing the partition or visa versa (unless there isn't a FS)
[00:11] <clifter> grimeton: Thanks Going into my Terminal Notes for safe keeping :)
[00:11] <Guest5642> How does one register for this xchat? Do I need to?
[00:12] <clifter> faugusztin: Thanks as well....
[00:12] <Yowl> grimeton: UNless I am wrong?
[00:12] <grimeton> Yowl: the thing is: it's about the order of things: if you want to grow a filesystem you have to grow the partition first
[00:12] <Yowl> grimeton: I know that
[00:12] <grimeton> Yowl: and if you want to shrink a partition you have to shrink the filesystem first
[00:12] <Yowl> oh
[00:12] <Yowl> right
[00:13] <SunTsu> grimeton: zfs is build very much like git, storing hashed objects, snapshots are done similar to what git does with branches and so on
[00:13] <grimeton> Yowl: that's because the filesystem lives *inside* the partition
[00:13] <apb> Yowl: the filesystem is like the liner of a garbage can.
[00:13] <grimeton> SunTsu: ehm, zfs is nothing else than software raid, lvm and xfs in one thing
[00:13] <Yowl> grimeton: When you resize a partition, it's resizing the FS that puts your data in potential jeopardy, right?
[00:14] <Dr_Willis> resizeing always has risks
[00:14] <Dr_Willis> backup the data first
[00:14] <Yowl> But is that where the risk lies?
[00:14] <grimeton> Yowl: if you shrink the partition before you shrink the fs, then the end of the fs is lost, that's where it gets tricky ...
[00:14] <Dr_Willis> hard drives can die at any time..  rember that.
[00:14] <elb0w> Has anyone used touchegg?
[00:14] <elb0w> I cant get it to work
[00:14] <Dr_Willis> power failure during a resize - is also a VERYbad thing
[00:14] <Yowl> grimeton: Right, not trying to do that. But please answer my question
[00:15] <grimeton> SunTsu: you got your pools (raid, lvm) and on top of that the filesystems
[00:15] <Yowl> grimeton: I get what your saying, so you don't need to explain any more about FS and partitions, please switch tracks
[00:15] <Yowl> 	grimeton: When you resize a partition, it's resizing the FS that puts your data in potential jeopardy, right?
[00:16] <grimeton> Yowl: the real dangerous task is shrinking... growing isn't really a problem
[00:16] <Yowl> grimeton: I am told even growing has risks
[00:16] <grimeton> Yowl: yeah, crossing the street is dangerous too
[00:16] <Yowl> grimeton: Is that statement correct or not?
[00:16] <grimeton> Yowl: there is always a risk, that's why you have a backup
[00:17] <Yowl> grimeton: Is it the resizing of the FS where the risk lies, yes or no???
[00:17] <SunTsu> Yowl: it has because you need to change the filesystem, change size information, create new meta data structure and such. Things can fail horribly
[00:17] <grimeton> SunTsu: http://pastebin.com/k9C0yvZd
[00:18] <SunTsu> Yowl: resizing the partition is less risky but you need to resize the fs to take advantage of your new size and especially when shrinking not accidentally destroy your data that lies in a different partiotion all of a sudden
[00:19] <SunTsu> grimeton: this is supposed to tell me what exactly?
[00:19] <Yowl> SunTsu: So if I were to resize the partition but left the FS the same size, (leaving aside the issue that this would be pointless) I could still damage data?
[00:19] <grimeton> SunTsu: that you have never seen a zfs pool status overview and that you want to read about zfs again
[00:20] <grimeton> Yowl: yes
[00:20] <karen_> So, how do you get invited to talk on Linux channel?
[00:20] <bean> ZFS is awesome. In general, I've never had problems with resizing Ext3/4 LVMs.
[00:20] <SunTsu> grimeton: I have seen a lot of zfs pool opoverviews and especially I have taken courses teaching zfs details...
[00:20] <Yowl> grimeton: But the majority of the risk lies in resizing the FS?
[00:21] <grimeton> Yowl: yes
[00:21] <grimeton> SunTsu: and still you compare it to git?
[00:21] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  some channels require you to hve a regriestered/identified nick
[00:21] <Yowl> grimeton: And LVM knows nothing of FS?
[00:21] <Dr_Willis> !regiester
[00:21] <PimpSmurf> ZFS is great so many things. I still use raid for OS partitions though.
[00:21] <Dr_Willis> !register
[00:21] <grimeton> Yowl: no, lvm just deals with block devices
[00:21] <karen_> well, I thought I was. Tell me again how to do?
[00:22] <bean> PimpSmurf, raid isn't a file system
[00:22] <SunTsu> Yowl: depends. When you grow the partition and leave the fs intact: not much risk, you only run the risk of destroying the partition info with all your data intact.
[00:22] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  you did Identify to the service bots when you connected?
[00:22] <PimpSmurf> bean: can't use raid with ZFS
[00:22] <PimpSmurf> bean: which is why what I said makes sense.
[00:22] <karen_> what do you mean      service bots?
[00:22] <grimeton> bean: zfs handles everything on its own, including raid, volume management and filesystem stuff
[00:22] <bean> right
[00:23] <bean> karen_, what question do you have for ##linux...
[00:23] <grimeton> bean: that's why what pimpsmurf said makes sense
[00:23] <SunTsu> Yowl: shrink your partition and leave your fs intact: Yes, very much risk, because you could destroy the partition info AND probably will kill your data when creating a new filesystem in the next partition
[00:23] <vlt> I have resized (grow and shrink) file systems and lvm volumes sooo many times and never experienced a problem.
[00:23] <PimpSmurf> If you use ZFS on a raid v-volume, ZFS losing direct control over sectors (which is how it recovers data from damaged sectors automatically)
[00:23] <SunTsu> PimpSmurf: zfs has zraid
[00:24] <Yowl> SunTsu: I rather figured trying to squeeze a FS into a too small container would create all sorts of issues
[00:24] <bean> right, thats more what I was confused about. Saying you use Raid instead of ZFS is a bit of a misnomer, since zfs can do zraid.
[00:24] <PimpSmurf> SunTsu: I stopped using it and instead have 1 disk on each of my clusters ZFS. They all backup each other like a giant raid array.
[00:24] <SunTsu> Yowl: that's what I wrote, didn't I?
[00:24] <PimpSmurf> I got the idea because Cassandra DBA's recommend not using raid (or using raid 0) on the cassandra DB volume
[00:25] <Yowl> SunTsu: Since partitioning is mapping for the kernal, it would be like having data lost in unknown unmapped territory
[00:25] <PimpSmurf> Because cassandra does it's own redundancy. I wish I could use Raid 0 with ZFS and somehow tell the raid controller not to mark sectors
[00:25] <Yowl> SunTsu: I just said I already figured what you told me
[00:25] <karen_> Well, it's the same one I think that I asked last night, but had to go. I have two dell desktop towers that are connected to the internet with belkin n600 db v. 2 wireless adapters and they weren't cheap to buy. I have tried everthing to connect to the internet even using given modules and ones I put in there to try that weren't given. I have read online of many accounts of people with this situation and even Ndiswrapper wouldn't work fo
[00:25] <karen_> r them. What can I do and is there a distro that supports this driver?
[00:25] <SunTsu> grimeton: yes, I do compare them, the filesystem itself works very much like git does, I was not talking about the whole zpool handling, only about the way data is handled
[00:26] <ubper> hi! anyone thats makes me help on TCOS with ubuntu server 12.04.3 ? Boot on client fails: File not found  when pxe is initialising... sorry for my english, i'm spanish!
[00:26] <grimeton> SunTsu: and zpool isn't part of that?
[00:27] <Yowl> grimeton: So block device is a layer above the FS, and the LVM only manages block devices, so would offer no protection in FS resizing?
[00:27] <bean> karen_, isn't a  belkin n600 a router?
[00:27] <grimeton> Yowl: block devices is the layer UNDER the fs, your harddrive is a block device...
[00:27] <SunTsu> Yowl: data would NOT be lost directly, only if you try to write data to the part of the disk where it should not be, outside of the partition. It still could work when you don't write data there.
[00:27] <SunTsu> grimeton: it's a different layer than what I was talking about
[00:28] <karen_> yes, belkin is a router, but you can buy the usb wireless adapters at Best Buy for internet connection.
[00:28] <wolfy1339> i am trying to install a package and it asks me for Ubuntu 13.04 _Raring Ringtail_ - Release amd64 (20130424) in /media/cdrom
[00:28] <bean> !es | ubper
[00:28] <Yowl> grimeton: According to online sources block devices are files, not physical items, and that each partition represents one block device, even if they exist all on the same actual hard drive, is that wrong?
[00:28] <bean> karen_, ... I'm aware that belkin makes routers. What is the exact model of the wireless adapter?
[00:29] <SunTsu> Yowl: those files represent your disk, the _actual_ block device
[00:29] <SunTsu> because it's a device that is read and written ion blocks, you know?
[00:29] <faugusztin> bean: my best guess karen_ talks about http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F9L1101/
[00:29] <grimeton> Yowl: _EVERYTHING_ on unix represents a file (descriptor), what kind of, is a different discussion, but /dev/sda is a file descriptor for a block device
[00:29] <SunTsu> s/ion/in/
[00:29] <karen_> Now, I'm not sure what you mean when you ask for model, accept that it's    belkin N600 DB v2001
[00:29] <Yowl> SunTsu: Each partition is it's own block device, even if they are all on the same actual hard drive, yes or no?
[00:29] <bean> karen_, so, this? http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F9L1101/
[00:30] <karen_> o.k. I'll try it. Thanks
[00:30] <wolfy1339> i am trying to install a package and it asks me for Ubuntu 13.04 _Raring Ringtail_ - Release amd64 (20130424) in /media/cdrom
[00:30] <ObrienDave> wolfy1339... disable the CD in your sources list
[00:30] <grimeton> Yowl: yes
[00:30] <bean> karen_, please read, i was just asking if that was what you have.
[00:30] <SunTsu> Yowl: I really don't like to play this game anymore. Please, go read about basic disk handling, partitions and filesystems, I don't think this is the channel to educate you, this is the ubuntu support channel
[00:30] <Yowl> grimeton: Then block device is not your actual hard drive...
[00:30]  * grimeton gives up
[00:31] <bean> karen_, do you know if that're broadcom or realtek?
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> sda is a block device.. sda1 is a block device.. sdz99 is a block device.. if it exists
[00:32] <Yowl> Dr_Willis , LVM exists in a layer above the FS, and knows nothing about the the FS?
[00:32] <karen_> How do you tell?
[00:32] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  i dont use lvm. go read the lvm docs/guides
[00:33] <bean> karen_, can you pastebin the output of "sudo lshw -class network"
[00:33] <bean> Yowl, yes, LVM is above the FS, You have volume groups, then the logical volume.
[00:33] <bean> which just presents a block device.
[00:34] <Yowl> bean and knows nothing about FS?
[00:34] <bean> correct.
[00:34] <Dr_Willis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29
[00:34] <dumb_caveman> lvm!!
[00:34] <dumb_caveman> its pisser!
[00:34] <dumb_caveman> I learned lvm from the archlinux guide, is the ubutu one nice too?
[00:34] <karen_> does network have to do anything with this? Because, I'm using the same network on my laptop that I'm typing to you on with Ubuntu and everything connects. I'm thinking it's the wireless adpater that I have connected to my desktops that Linux doesn't see.
[00:35] <bean> karen_, do what i aksed please. pastebin the output of "sudo lshw -class network"
[00:35] <reisio> dumb_caveman: did you learn a reason to use it?
[00:35] <karen_> But, I will do that if you like..o.k. hang on
[00:35] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: Before you tell me to read online, I just got through learning how a online wiki source got it wrong, so...
[00:36] <riccruz> hey guys, I was checking the ubuntu release schedule .. I rarely do that .. and realized there is a release today ahah xP
[00:36] <bean> karen_, there should be something like "Broadcom" or "RealTek" in the output.
[00:36] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: Unless you know about LVM and can personally vouch for the information, but you just said you don't know it
[00:36] <karen_> you know what, I'm new to ubuntu, where do I find the termianl. I had Lubuntu before.
[00:36] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  not my problem. and this is sort of gotten beyoned ubuntu support related.
[00:36] <karen_> oops terminal
[00:36] <Dr_Willis> Yowl: perhaps go find a lvm channel
[00:37] <bean> karen_, you seem to be way in over your head...
[00:37] <karen_> ya hahaha
[00:37] <Logos01> Howdy folks -- I'm seeing an odd issue w/ enabling ksm on my machine ... I echo'd "1" > run about 15 minutes ago and yet there's still no scans performed... http://pastebin.com/ECbHBq15
[00:37] <bean> Yowl, I literally use LVM every day.
[00:37] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  normal click the top left icon (the dash and type in 'terminal') and it should show up
[00:37] <Logos01> Yowl: What's your issue?
[00:37]  * Logos01 just joined
[00:37] <Yowl> Dr_Willis: No such thing, and unless you strictly speak of ubuntu as it's kernal and system files only, what is it but a vast bundle of various softwares
[00:37] <karen_>  k
[00:37] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  press and hold the super key - and it will also show a list of shortcuts
[00:38] <Dr_Willis> Yowl:  you seem to be rambling alot - but ive not really seen you state an actual ubuntu support issue. so have a nice day.
[00:38] <Dr_Willis> !terminal
[00:39] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  i always pin a terminal icon to the left side panel  first thing.
[00:40] <karen_> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=iwl4965 driverversion=3.8.0-31-generic firmware=228.61.2.24 ip=192.168.2.11 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11abgn
[00:40] <karen_>        resources: irq:45 memory:f4000000-f4001fff
[00:40] <karen_>   *-network
[00:40] <karen_>        description: Ethernet interface
[00:40] <karen_>        product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
[00:40] <karen_>        vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
[00:40] <FloodBot1> karen_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:41] <bean> karen_, and you need to run this on a machine that has the belkin usb plugged in
[00:41] <bean> so I'd grab one, and plug it into your current computer
[00:42] <karen_> Well, I can't because I can't send it to you being I can't get internet with Linux on it.
[00:42] <bean> karen_, right, grab the usb and plug it in to your workstation that /does/ have internet
[00:42] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  actually you have networking on the machine you are on right now.. :) plug it into that machine. you can have more then one network device plkugged in at a time
[00:43] <karen_> o.k. I'll try.
[00:43] <karen_> Where is http. paste   sorry dumb here
[00:43] <bean> karen_, the message from floodbot literally told you what to do...
[00:43] <Dr_Willis> i often keep a 'works out of the box' usb wifi dongle (edimax $10) handy for problem laptops. I can get to the internet with the edimax dongle. and then use it to get the drivers for the other wifi devices the laptop will be using
[00:44] <karen_> oh
[00:44] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  web site is pastebin.com  or install the 'pastebinit' command
[00:44] <Logos01> Anybody seen this?  KSM isn't running despite /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run set to "1" ?
[00:44] <bean> Dr_Willis, its possible that this USB dongle wont work for her depending on if its realtek or broadcom
[00:44] <bean> (the broadcom one wont work)
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> yep. gotta love companies that change chipsets in their devices. but keep the same product name.,
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> had that happen several times in the past.
[00:45] <bean> karen_, actually pastebin the output of "lsusb"
[00:46] <moppy> it's actually quite hard to change the model name on a retail product. it goes thought all sort of stock control systems, etc
[00:46] <bean> moppy, and they don't care about linux users, cuz lets be real, we're not who they make their money on :)
[00:47] <moppy> it's also quit hard to guarantee supplies of chips 3 years into the future, for the life of the product. im sure it's not deliberate sabotage
[00:48] <moppy> i mean basically youre sitting down and agreeing to buy X per month for the next 3 years at a price agreed today. if the dollar exchange rate changes tomorrow, what's going to happen?
[00:48] <Dr_Willis> all i know is i buy a device that has dozens of reviews that say 'works great in linux, uses the XXXXXX chipset' - I order it.. :) its a rev 1.0000001   device so needs a totally differnt driver download  (under windows) and is totally unsupported on linux due to its not using  the chipset the docs say :)
[00:48] <Dr_Willis> but face it. wifi dongles are cheap these days. ;)
[00:48] <moppy> Dr_Willis: Yea i know what you mean. It's a real pain.
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> ive found 4 that work  great on all my linux box's and even the linux-based set top Video players.
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> 'works with raspberry pi'  ;) is now what i look for most of the time in reviews.
[00:49] <karen_> I don't want to flood you with this paste. I did install "pastebinit", but don't know how to use it.
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  command_to_paste | pastebinit
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> karen_: ie:     lsusb | pastebinit
[00:50] <moppy> urgh is this a usb wifi?
[00:50] <Dr_Willis> one of those commands that should be included. ;)
[00:50] <karen_> hey, how to you make that straight up and down line in that command?
[00:50] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  thats the pipe character. its at the right side of my USA keyboard. above my enter key
[00:50] <moppy> The | is called pipe and has a keyboard key
[00:50] <Dr_Willis>  \ \   ||
[00:51] <karen_> o.k.
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> p[]\
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> heh
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> linux - helping people use ALL those keys that they never knew what they did...
[00:51] <moppy> that's going to change soon when ubu touch arrives :-)
[00:51] <moppy> All those symbols missing from tablets
[00:51] <Logos01> Anybody seen this?  KSM isn't running despite /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run set to "1" ?
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> i have all those symbols on my android keyboards. ;)
[00:52] <eihander> Hello All!!!
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> and my bluetooth keyboards. well the BT one may be missing a few - i havent used it in weeks
[00:53] <karen_> So I did that in the terminal. Now how do I paste the stuff to you in there?
[00:54] <Dr_Willis> select the text. righ click. copy, click here, right click. paste
[00:54] <moppy> i guess they'll add them anyway if they need to and it doesn't have it
[00:54] <Dr_Willis> same as windows does it
[00:55] <karen_> o.k. here goes
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> some irc clients let you run a command and spit the output here. :)
[00:55] <eihander> is it normal that my nick is grayed out when I type?
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> eihander:  its not greyed out here.
[00:55] <ObrienDave> eihander... yes, it's normal
[00:55] <Dr_Willis> eihander:  would be a feature of your irc client as to what that indicates
[00:56] <eihander> oh ok! noob here! thanks :-)
[00:56] <zykotick9> Logos01: are you sure your applications support it?  what is your test ("grep -H '' /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/pages_*") reports 0 for pages_shared.
[00:56] <ObrienDave> eihander... yes, it's normal if you're using Xchat
[00:56] <Logos01> zykotick9: http://pastebin.com/ECbHBq15
[00:57] <zykotick9> Logos01: if you repaste that to paste.ubuntu.com i'll look at it.
[00:57] <bean> zykotick9, o.o whats wrong with apstebin
[00:57] <bean> pastebin*
[00:57] <moppy> pastebin is banned in some countries
[00:57] <bean> weird
[00:57] <moppy> apparently people are posting subversive things on it ;-)
[00:58] <moppy> of course i can't say what HIS objection to it is, but it's likely that
[00:58] <zykotick9> bean: dpkg's pastebin.com factoid = pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads.  Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/
[00:58] <Logos01> zykotick9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248607/
[00:58] <karen_> *-network
[00:58] <karen_>        description: Wireless interface
[00:58] <karen_>        product: PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection
[00:58] <karen_>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[00:58] <karen_>        physical id: 0
[00:58] <FloodBot1> karen_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:58] <karen_>        bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
[00:58] <bean> zykotick9, hmm, valid point
[00:59] <bean> karakedi, nooooo, you're supposed to paste the url that pastebinit gives you.
[00:59] <bean> err, karen_
[00:59] <bean> karen_, "lsusb | pastebinit"
[00:59] <zykotick9> Logos01: thanks - so, are you sure your applications support it?
[01:00] <moppy> i've never been asked for a captcha to *read* a pastebin, only sometimes to create
[01:00] <bean> karen_, "lsusb | pastebinit"
[01:00] <Logos01> zykotick9: I have three precise lxc containers.
[01:00] <Logos01> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.containers.lxc.devel/656
[01:00] <karen_> Do you put it at the end of all the info?
[01:00] <Logos01> So yes I am certain.
[01:00] <zykotick9> Logos01: does "cat /sys/kernel/mm/ksm/run" return 0 or 1?
[01:00] <karen_> Do you put it as the next command?
[01:01] <bean> karen_, either do "lsusb | pastebinit" or type "lsusb" and pastebin the output
[01:01] <Logos01> zykotick9: It's on the pastebin
[01:01] <Logos01> And it's set to 1
[01:01] <zykotick9> Logos01: i certainly don't see that output on your http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248607/  well best of luck.
[01:02] <Logos01> Regardless of whether there are shared pages, full_scans *should* be higher than 0 after 30 minutes.
[01:02] <karen_> o.k. I type in your command in the terminal and I get a ton of info like you just saw and then how do I use pastebinit?
[01:02] <Logos01> zykotick9: Look at line 9, then.
[01:02] <Logos01> It's right there.
[01:02] <bean> Logos01, btw, that linux.kernel thread says that it /could/ not that it does, it has to use a different syscall to support it.
[01:03] <moppy> karen_: if you typed "lsusb | pastebinit" the outputis one line - a web URL - paste that link
[01:03] <Logos01> bean: regardless of that, full_scans should be incrementing
[01:03] <Logos01> It's not.
[01:03] <Logos01> I.e.; it's not actually running.
[01:04] <bean> karen_, you literally type "lsusb | pastebinit" on your command line
[01:04] <karen_> moppy, so I put a command in the terminal, I get a ton of info, I type out "lsusb | pastebinit" in the next command spot and see a url to paste to you?
[01:05] <moppy> open a terminal window, type in "lsusb | pastebinit" and you get 1 line
[01:05] <bean> karen_, just type "lsusb | pastebinit" this is not hard.
[01:05] <karen_> OR, do I put in the command and "lsusb | pastebinit" right next in the same command?
[01:05] <SonikkuAmerica> !isitout
[01:05] <bean> karen_, LITERALLY type "lsusb | pastebinit"
[01:05] <karen_> I did!
[01:05] <Dr_Willis> or select it and paste. :)
[01:06] <moppy> did you put a | ?
[01:06] <karen_> where?
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> willis@SSDBuntu:~$ lsusb | pastebinit
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248622/
[01:06] <moppy> that's a pipe not an I or letter 1
[01:06] <karen_> I know
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> my shell 'output'
[01:06] <SonikkuAmerica> The letter 1 and number I
[01:06] <bean> thats litearlly what you should see, karen_, what Dr_Willis just did.
[01:06] <moppy> i assume pastebinit is installed by default
[01:06] <bean> oh nice, Dr_Willis, that edimax is even a little n dongle
[01:06] <bean> moppy, she installed it
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> moppy:   they instgalled it earlier
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> bean:  yep. :)  its a little slow - 150 speed. but its great for what im doing,
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> i need to pick up a few more of them
[01:07] <bean> Dr_Willis, *shrug* as long as you're not trying to shove 1080p video over it :P
[01:08] <karen_> o.k. , so step 1.  I put in a command in the terminal, type in my password. Step 2 press enter. What's step three, or does pastebinit go in after step 1.
[01:08] <Logos01> zykotick9: So just out of idle curiosity have you managed to see line #9 in http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248607/ yet?
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> bean:  actually i am doing that. :) well not 1080p .  :) but my Pi - is a xbmc client
[01:08] <moppy> how do you find the razer deathadder, Dr_Willis ?
[01:08] <bean> Dr_Willis, nice!
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> moppy:  found it on sale for $20 :) works well. theres a razor config tool out for linux now that lets me tweak it.
[01:08] <moppy> karen_: password? why is lsusb asking for a password?
[01:08] <bean> karen_, all on one line. "lsusb | pastebinit" the | is a pipe character, not l, not 1, not i, not I
[01:09] <moppy> Dr_Willis: what is the response like, and can you put weights in it easily?
[01:09] <bean> moppy, the deathadder doesn't have weights.
[01:09] <karen_> so, your command plus "lsusb | pastebinit" all on one line?
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> moppy:  no weights in this one.. and it can go so super senesitive - you touch it . and it goes across both monitors
[01:09] <BuzZBladE> karen, lsusb | pastbininit   by itself
[01:09] <bean> karen_, no, just that command
[01:09] <bean> this is almost humerous.
[01:10] <BuzZBladE> karen, it will copy what you see on the terminal, and put it on an http site, and return you a link to share
[01:10] <Dr_Willis> what was that web site that let you post 'shell' tutorials in a movie like format from the output of the typescript command
[01:11] <bean> explainshell?
[01:12] <andrej> Does anyone know how to coerce a i945 graphics adapter tp run two independent desktops on two monitors?  I don't want an extended / large destop
[01:12] <moppy> oh well, at least shell is similar than sailing :-)
[01:12] <moppy> simpler*
[01:12] <bean> andrej, ie, 2 different xserves?
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> bean:  playterm.org ;)
[01:12] <bean> ah, right Dr_Willis
[01:14] <bean> karen_, figure it out yet?
[01:14] <andrej> bean - yah.
[01:14] <andrej> E.g. have one running Fluxbox, one IceWM :)
[01:14] <karen_> karen@karen-HP-Pavilion-dv6700-Notebook-PC:~$
[01:14] <karen_> is that what you want?
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> thats your bash prompt.
[01:14] <BuzZBladE> not quite
[01:15] <karen_> hahaha
[01:15] <andrej> I did that in the past w/ both ATI & NVIdia cards with two heads, but can't seem to find a way to accomplish this w/ ubuntu
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> willis@SSDBuntu:~$             lsusb | pastebinit
[01:15] <karen_> let me see
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> the willis@ssd....... is my prompt ;)
[01:15] <bean> andrej, man, I don't know how to do it with a single card, or really in general. Probably some crazy x config.
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> they really really need to make the installer not use such annoying long names for the pc;s hostname
[01:16] <Logos01> Whelp, guess I'll go to greener pastures on getting this issue addressed... as always. Thanks for your time those who tried.
[01:16] <NoOneInParticula> This is a longshot, but the Gnome 3 IRC is a graveyard, and you folks have been knowledgable in the past.
[01:17] <eihander> anyone have a guide on modifying BIOS?
[01:17] <NoOneInParticula> I have Gnome 3.10.  New custom file search functionality is pretty slick.  Doesn't seem to work on NFS shares, though, which is where I store just about everything.  What might be the issue?
[01:17] <bean> karen_, literally copy inside my quotes "lsusb | pastebinit" into your terminal.
[01:18] <NoOneInParticula> (running on Ubuntu, because it doesn't seem to behave under anything but that or Fedora)
[01:19] <karen_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248659/
[01:19] <karen_> There!
[01:19] <moppy> fedora is shipping 3.10?
[01:19] <karen_> no?
[01:19] <ObrienDave> karen_... YAY!
[01:20] <karen_> oh ya!
[01:20] <moppy> oh that a belkin n600?
[01:20] <moppy> i've seen that dreaded number before
[01:20] <karen_> Ya  nasty huh? to linux
[01:20] <bean> karen_, looks like realtek should provide a driver that works.
[01:20] <moppy> let's just say i threw it overboard
[01:20] <karen_> oh ya?
[01:20] <moppy> but YMMV. don't do that!
[01:20] <moppy> i'm just impatient
[01:21] <karen_> On Slacko Puppy I tried all the Realtek modules
[01:21] <bean> karen_, http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=21&PFid=53&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false&Downloads=true#3102 lookslike it should be the "linux driver for kernel"
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> NoOneInParticula, 3.10 is not in any release so technically not supported here.
[01:21] <karen_> you mean don't do YMMV module?
[01:21] <bean> karen_, one question, is your native language english? :)
[01:21] <karen_> ya
[01:21] <bean> alright.
[01:22] <NoOneInParticula> wilee-nilee:  eh, that's right, they left it out of 13.10.
[01:22] <karen_> So, what do I do with your above http?
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> heh  ->  http://www.playterm.org/r/simple-test-1381972931
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> how to use lsusb and pastebinit ;)
[01:22] <bean> karen_, you download the kernel module...
[01:22] <karen_> how do you do that being not so smart here?
[01:23] <bean> karen_, I'm sorry, I can't really help, I've spoon fed to you where you should get the driver.
[01:23] <NoOneInParticula> wilee-nilee:  repeating, yeah, they left it out of 13.10.  I was under the impression is was 3.8 functionality as well.
[01:23] <karen_> I'll go find it.
[01:23] <karen_> thanks
[01:23] <NoOneInParticula> Also, lol, nothing like coming into a general chat channel and watching someone talk down to someone.
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> karen_:  askubuntu.com often has detailed guides
[01:23] <NoOneInParticula> Spoonfed indeed, bean.
[01:24] <NoOneInParticula> What a douche.
[01:24] <bean> LOL
[01:24] <karen_> Dang, you guys, I come from windows not Linux.
[01:24] <bean> he has no idea that I've been trying to help her for at least 30 minutes.
[01:24] <karen_> and I barely know how to do that.
[01:25] <Croves> Hi guys. It seems that my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86 is missing UTF-8 support. I'm getting this error message: http://pastebin.com/X2mtiNxW
[01:25] <Croves> Any idea?
[01:25] <Croves> I followed some tips about dpkg-reconfigure locales, but there's no result
[01:25] <karen_> thanks for your help though!
[01:25] <Jinxed-> What can you do manage an ipod on ubuntu
[01:26] <bean> karen_, it should be as simple as getting that zip file from the linked site, and unzipping it, and running the installer script
[01:26] <bean> but i can't say for sure.
[01:26] <Hilikus> i'm trying to see pictures from my android ICS in ubuntu. the phone mounts fine and i can browse the filesystem, but when i try to open a picture it says "failed to open input stream for file"
[01:26] <Hilikus> any ideas how to access my pictures?
[01:26] <Jinxed-> !ipod
[01:27] <ObrienDave> Hilikus... yes, you have to copy the file to your HD first. then they will open
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> Hmm the N600 usb wifi dongle - seems to be very very poorly supported on linux
[01:27] <Hilikus> ObrienDave: i want to open them exactly for that reason, to know what to copy and what not
[01:28] <bean> Dr_Willis, yeah, her pastebin said that it's the realtek one though!
[01:29] <bean> so in theory she should be able to install the kernel module
[01:29] <ObrienDave> afaik you can't view them directly. not like windows can.
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> bean:  you must be able to read more into that pastebin then i could. ;)   Bus 002 Device 003: ID 050d:110a Belkin Components        dosent tell me a lot.
[01:30] <ObrienDave> Hilikus... which phone? I have the S4
[01:30] <Hilikus> htc one s
[01:31] <ObrienDave> just connected mine. give me a minute
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  personally i use the 'airdroid' program on my android devices. to access their stuff.
[01:31] <Dr_Willis> the MTP filesystem stuff still seems rather hit and miss in linux
[01:31] <Wash_Jones> Hey folks - quick question, is there a terminal command to make sure Wine has all the necessary packages installed? I'm trying to set up Netflix Desktop on Ubuntu and Wine's saying it needs a few extra packages which it doesn't seem to want to install itself
[01:31] <Hilikus> Dr_Willis: i saw that. it looks interesting but they don't mention anything about linux
[01:32] <advx> Hi all Good Morning
[01:32] <YUYU> !
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  for airdroid? err.. you use ANY web browser to get to your phone
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  os dosent really matter. ;)
[01:32] <Croves> Hi guys. It seems that my Ubuntu 12.04 LTS x86 is missing UTF-8 support. I'm getting this error message: http://pastebin.com/X2mtiNxW
[01:32] <Croves> I followed some tips about dpkg-reconfigure locales, but there's no result
[01:32] <Hilikus> oh really? i saw the video and it looked like macos app
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  its an android app. ;) you then use whatever browser you want.
[01:33] <Dr_Willis> well - links or lynx may not work. ;) but any mondern gui browser. should work ;P
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> there mightbe some alternatives to airdroid. but ive not seen/herd of any that were better
[01:34] <niel> hello wondering where ubuntu 13.10 is I heard it was released no news on the website
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> niel:  to be reelased on the 17th
[01:35] <Dr_Willis> and there is no set time
[01:35] <niel> well my android countdown app lied :P
[01:35] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[01:35] <ShapeShifter499> is there a way to set the FSB in order to overclock using Ubuntu/Linux?
[01:35] <niel> whenever a new version comes out I have to format my disk cause the updated makes it unbootable
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> niel:  untill theubuntu site says it.. :) its not officially released
[01:36] <ObrienDave> Hilikus... yea, there is something about the MTP filesystem that really buggers up the transfer
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> niel:  weird. Ive rarely seen that issue in here mentioned
[01:36] <dumb_caveman> anyone here know if I am copying large files from ext4 to ntfs
[01:36] <dumb_caveman> what io scheduler is best?
[01:36] <niel> yep I do the update and when I reboot it hangs
[01:36] <dumb_caveman> noop deadline or cfq
[01:36] <Hilikus> thanks guys
[01:36] <niel> no body has been able to fix it so I just format and isntall
[01:36] <ObrienDave> Hilikus... and if you copy and paste from the phone to Ubuntu it does not keep the file name intact
[01:37] <niel> to say the least im super excited for 13.10
[01:37] <moppy> why
[01:38] <niel> Dr_Willis, I thin the problem is that it does not update the kernal or something
[01:38] <bwayne> hey guys. i'm attempting to have my nfs shares from another computer mount automatically on this computer (ubuntu 12.04). I'm trying to setup using autofs, but i think I'm stumping up against the config files. I can mount everything manually fine, so i know its working. Gotta be the configs. ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248728/
[01:39] <ObrienDave> Hilikus... yea, go through airdroid for now
[01:40] <niel> also I heard 13.10 fixes the random freezing
[01:41] <zykotick9> bwayne: any reason you aren't just adding them to fstab?
[01:42] <bwayne> zykotick9: tried that. i think my encrypted /home is an issue.
[01:42] <zykotick9> bwayne: ahhh, could be?  well, good luck.
[01:43] <Marlenee> why midnight command have weird chars http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=1DhFZQyQ
[01:44] <bwayne> zykotick9: also, wouldn't not having networking come up until I log in be an issue as well? i simply read that encrypted /home was an issue when reading over the nfs ubuntu help page.
[01:44] <Hilikus> Dr_Willis: does it run a web server or it sends everything through a third party web server?
[01:45] <zykotick9> bwayne: i would HOPE networking starts before you log in...  i've only ever used fstab for NFS, but i don't have your "special" requirements.  I've got no suggestions for you, sorry.  best of luck.
[01:45] <faugusztin> Marlenee: run it with mc-a
[01:45] <bwayne> zykotick9: ok. thx.
[01:46] <faugusztin> Marlenee: sorry, mc -a
[01:46] <Marlenee> faugusztin : np
[01:46] <LukeL> no release party?
[01:46] <Marlenee> faugusztin : but why it have wrong chars ?
[01:46] <faugusztin> Marlenee: and it happens when the characters get redefined by something, to me it usually happens with sudo
[01:46] <Marlenee> is there missing pkg or something
[01:47] <ObrienDave> Marlenee... it's in a different character set
[01:48] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  yes to both parts. ;) it can do it either way,
[01:48] <Marlenee> ObrienDave : can i change this characters to the right chars
[01:50] <Yowl> Are distros like xubuntu always behind in version compared to ubuntu?
[01:51] <ObrienDave> no, they are usually current
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  seems in 13.10 i can plug in my phone. but cant play the files directly from the phone either,.  (S3 phone here)
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> Hilikus:  i think theres some mtp-fuse tools that might get around the issue. but ive not looked into it
[01:52] <ObrienDave> I have all the MTP tools. still no go
[01:52] <Hilikus> Dr_Willis: i saw. some mtpfs improved version
[01:52] <repudiate> What's up Ubuntu Nation?
[01:52] <moppy> $ while true; do do-release-upgrade; sleep 30; done
[01:52] <macsplean> hey does anybody use bluefish?
[01:53] <ObrienDave> more like sleep 90 ;)
[01:53] <repudiate> My friend has said that he will give me Ubuntu (DVD) for just $50. Is there anywhere online that I can get it cheaper?
[01:53] <moppy> not sure how to answer that
[01:53] <ObrienDave> WHAT??? you can DL it for free. not much of a friend
[01:54] <moppy> not sure if joke or genuine question
[01:54] <macsplean> .... or anyone know of a text editor with an inline dictionary?
[01:54] <repudiate> ObrienDave: I don't dl pirated stuff on my work laptop.
[01:54] <ObrienDave> ok, troll, it's FREE not pirated.
[01:54] <moppy> assuming this is not a joke, the os is leagally free
[01:55] <LukeL> free as in beer
[01:55] <moppy> legally* I cannot spell today
[01:55] <ObrienDave> beer is NOT free, you have to pay rent LOL
[01:56] <moppy> if you wanted to spend money on Linux yoo could buy RHEL
[01:56] <moppy> Then you get access to support. Which ironically you mostly use when their licensing system breaks.
[01:57] <apb> repudiate: type "download ubuntu" in a search engine.  If you want someone to burn a DVD for you, then you (probably) have to pay someone to do it.  Or you could burn one yourself.  Read the license included.
[01:59] <repudiate> There are a lot of free Linuxes.
[02:00] <repudiate> Ubuntu has a free version too.
[02:00] <repudiate> Thanks.
[02:00] <ObrienDave> omg
[02:01] <sash87> Hi all
[02:01] <LukeL> !party
[02:02] <sash87> I have upgraded my ubuntu to 12.04 LTS and after that I can not connect to internet using my usb modem
[02:02] <fishcooker> im doing an upgrade from 10.4.4 to 12.04
[02:02] <sash87> I have upgraded my ubuntu to 12.04 LTS and after that I can not connect to internet using my usb modem
[02:02] <fishcooker> how to automaticaly accept default setting for configuration file?
[02:03] <sash87> any help ? its sucking from yesterday..was tried a lot
[02:03] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu  has a free version too... err.. they are all free last i looked.
[02:04] <p014k> I accidentally > a text file instead of >>. I did cat on an earlier version of the file and haven't closed the terminal yet, but my scroll limit was set to 512. Is there anyway to recover the text?
[02:05] <fishcooker> if you are lucky p014k you will have swap file
[02:05] <fishcooker> vim -r your-file.swp
[02:06] <sash87> please somebody help me..
[02:07] <Rugia> quick question concerning Ubuntu Touch, I know the preview doesn't support Neuxs 7 FLO (2013) is that an indicator that the final release won't support it either?
[02:07] <p014k> Is a swap file a default option?
[02:07] <fishcooker> nope
[02:08] <fishcooker> if you've edited those file with vim
[02:08] <p014k> I have a swap partition, i assume that's not the same.
[02:08] <p014k> just terminal, via >, no text editor.
[02:08] <fishcooker> it just like autosave mode on vim
[02:08] <fishcooker> then you are unlucky man
[02:09] <bean> unless the file is still open in another process you're probably out of luck, p014k
[02:09] <Lupus> Hello everyone.
[02:09] <Lupus> Ive got a few questions.
[02:09] <Rugia> alrighty then I'm just going to assume I'm SOL for upgrading to the Nexus 7 FLO
[02:09] <Lupus> When is the new Ubuntu version released, how do i update from 13.10?
[02:09] <sash87> I have upgraded my ubuntu OS to 12.04 LTS and after that I can not connect to internet using my usb modem
[02:09] <fishcooker> sash87: which model of your modem
[02:09] <Rugia> 13.10 is up now
[02:09] <Rugia> at sash
[02:10] <Lupus> Hm. Its not ocming up when i search for Updates using the software updater.
[02:10] <ObrienDave> Lupus... 13.10 has not been released yet, how do you expect to upgrade it?
[02:10] <Lupus> how to i upgrade? last tiem i just dl'ed the image onto a usb
[02:10] <sash87> its tata photon+ usb modem
[02:10] <p014k> bean: So it's actually my bash_aliases file which is being sourced by the terminal. Is there a way to paste the source?
[02:10] <Lupus> ObrienDave - Rugia says otherwise. Please confirm.
[02:10] <Rugia> oh it's not? I must have misread
[02:10] <Lupus> Release date is 17th October
[02:10] <Rugia> take ObrienDave's word for it
[02:11] <Rugia> not mine
[02:11] <Rugia> Ubuntu really isn't my thing
[02:11] <Lupus> Haha.
[02:11] <Rugia> Ubuntu Touch however
[02:11] <Lupus> So, on wiki says release data  is  17th October
[02:11] <ObrienDave> yes, anytime now. not official yet
[02:12] <Rugia> I'm downloading 13.04 now
[02:12] <Rugia> it's out
[02:12] <Lupus> (i wish ubuntu touch was on my phone, but its too old)
[02:12] <Lupus> 13.04 is good :)
[02:12] <Lupus> ok, so in the next, what, 12hrs?
[02:12] <BuzZBladE> lupus, it is still the 16th here in us
[02:12] <Lupus> thats true. what time  is it?
[02:12] <Lupus> (im in Australia, so.)
[02:12] <bean> p014k, what, of my bash_aliases?
[02:12] <Lupus> about 9am?
[02:12] <Rugia> will I be able to update to 13.10 within the OS?
[02:12] <Lupus> yes, rugia, you can
[02:12] <Lupus> dont ask me how...
[02:12] <BuzZBladE> lupus, 20:00 american time +/- 2 hrs
[02:12] <Lupus> but you can
[02:13] <ObrienDave> i dont know what time it will be released.
[02:13] <Rugia> no 13.10 leaks I'm impressed
[02:13] <Rugia> OSs usually leak
[02:13] <Lupus> Thanks BuZZBladE  - ill get my stuff ready for update +/- 12hrs
[02:13] <Lupus> Rugia - final beta releases
[02:13] <bean> i mean, its not like it'll be that different from the final beta.
[02:13] <Lupus> stop leaks, but basically the same
[02:13] <Lupus> And Win8 update today as well
[02:13] <Lupus> whch is ownt be getting
[02:13] <Rugia> 8.1 at 4am PST
[02:14] <ObrienDave> I have today's current build
[02:14] <Lupus> i wish i had never got win8
[02:14] <Rugia> 8.1 fixes alot of 8's probs
[02:14] <Rugia> I think you'll be pleasd
[02:14] <Rugia> pleased*
[02:14] <Lupus> i got 8, hated it, screwed up my screen res, then went over to ubuntu (again)
[02:14] <Lupus> I use WIndows for games though
[02:14] <OerHeks> 8.2 fixes a lot of ... this is going offtopic
[02:14] <Lupus> Agreed.
[02:14] <Rugia> 8.2 doesn't exist
[02:14] <Rugia> 9 is next
[02:15] <Rugia> 8 --> 8.1 --> 9
[02:15] <Lupus> Rugia - is Ubuntu Touch available for ALL phones but only supported on Nexus'
[02:15] <Lupus> ?
[02:15] <moppy> or they could go back to 1 like xbox
[02:15] <Rugia> idk I was trying to figure out if I can even get it on Nexus 7 FLO
[02:15] <Rugia> but no one will tell me
[02:15] <Lupus> i have a Samsung Galaxy Y
[02:15] <Lupus> So cheap and  useless
[02:15] <Lupus> mmight try get it onto ubuntu
[02:16] <Rugia> WINE on Android someday
[02:16] <Lupus> or i risk puttin gmy acer tablet onto ubuntu, its got multiple cores.
[02:16] <Lupus> anyway
[02:16] <Lupus> thanks guys
[02:16] <Lupus> have a good one.
[02:16] <OerHeks> Rugia, there is a PPA for that >> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-nexus7/+archive/ppa
[02:16] <Rugia> does Ubuntu 13.04 have native ISO mounting?
[02:17] <Rugia> Nexus 7 FLO as in Nexus 7 2013
[02:17] <zykotick9> !iso | Rugia
[02:17] <Rugia> not Nexus 7 2012
[02:17] <ObrienDave> !42
[02:18] <Rugia> talking about Windows on #Ubuntu feels wrong somehow xD
[02:18] <Rugia> so let's keep things to Ubuntu
[02:20] <p014k> bean: No, I'm saying that the file I piped into was my bash_aliases file and that bash runs a 'source ~/.bashrc' which calls upon ~/.bash_aliases. Can I recover it somehow?
[02:21] <zykotick9> p014k: i doubt it.  consider is a double lesson A) be careful with > vs >> and B) have backups.
[02:21] <bean> p014k, you can try "lsof | grep "bash_aliases""
[02:22] <Wash_Jones>  Hey folks - quick question, is there a terminal command to make sure Wine has all the necessary packages installed? I'm trying to set up Netflix Desktop on Ubuntu and Wine's saying it needs a few extra packages which it doesn't seem to want to install itself
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> Wash_Jones:  theres a premade netflix package allreadi in some PPA's
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> !netflix
[02:23] <Dr_Willis> Wash_Jones:  also the latest webupd8 or omgubuntu site mention  a way to get netflix working in linux useing some other method
[02:24] <Wash_Jones> Yes, that's what I've been using - the PPA worked fine, but it involves Wine as well, and it's Wine that's saying it lacks certain packages or something
[02:24] <Rugia> I just don't get why you ppl use Ubuntu can you explain to a Windows user why you do
[02:24] <ObrienDave> Wash_Jones... you need compholio PPA
[02:24] <Rugia> sure it's free but it's so limited
[02:24] <LukeL> p014k there is e2undel in the repo's, worth a try
[02:24] <Wash_Jones> So I'm just curious if there's a way to check for necessary updates or missing packages for Wine
[02:24] <Dr_Willis> Rugia:  no viruse perhaps..  and i find windows limited.
[02:24] <ObrienDave> Rugia... because WE CAN
[02:24] <Rugia> fair enough, how so?
[02:24] <Rugia> @ Dr
[02:25] <zykotick9> LukeL: the file wasn't deleted, it was clobbered
[02:25] <Dr_Willis> how so as to what part? if you want general chitchat and not support. the #ubuntu-offtopic is where to be Rugia
[02:25] <LukeL> do clobbered files overwrite same sectors for sure?
[02:26] <zykotick9> LukeL: ? but i'd expect it too
[02:26] <Rugia> oh ok sorry
[02:26] <Rugia> @ Dr
[02:26] <Dr_Willis> people seem to have a hard time understanding they can be in more then one channel at a time. ;) heh
[02:29] <gmachine_24> I have written a short script to rsync my music folders; I want to schedule it to run every hour via cron and I've done this in the past. The script runs ok; but the cron job doesn't work.
[02:30] <gmachine_24> I can pastebin the contents; they are not long
[02:30] <p014k> Fixed it with 'alias > ~/.bash_aliases' :D
[02:30] <p014k> zykotick9: i know, right :P
[02:30] <zykotick9> p014k: NICE.  I certainly hadn't thought of that.  good going!
[02:31] <ObrienDave> Dr_Willis... that would involve multi-tasking ;)
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> ObrienDave:  but thats what these kids claim they can do all day long as they do homkework, watch video, read emails. text.. and.. well whatever else kids do these days. ;)
[02:32] <ObrienDave> yea, right ;)
[02:33] <ObrienDave> i'm 56 and still can't multi-task LOL
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> gmachine_24:  common issue with cron jobs. using shortcuts to the directories. not full paths. and the commands running in sh  not bash. often people put the commands in a bash script then run it from cron.
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> ObrienDave:  and younger people cant seem to focus on a single task :)
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> gmachine_24:  you could pastebin the info if ya want us to lookit at it.
[02:34] <ObrienDave> you're telling me??? ;)
[02:34] <gmachine_24> Dr_Willis: Hi. Yeah, I remembered to use the full path (after I read a reminder to use the full path);
[02:34] <gmachine_24> Dr_Willis: yes, please. it's real simple. How do I pastebin? I forgot (really)
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> pastebinit filename
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> is what i normally do
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> !pastebinit
[02:36] <gmachine_24> Dr_Willis: when I make the file executable, what command should I use? I used chmod +x filename
[02:36] <gmachine_24> or filename.sh
[02:36] <daninoz> hi guys, at what time is released 13.10 tomorrow?
[02:37] <ObrienDave> !isitout
[02:37] <zykotick9> daninoz: the time is typically not know before hand.
[02:37] <ObrienDave> ubottu> NO! It's not out yet!
[02:38] <ObrienDave> yes, we know that and that you're female
[02:38] <ObrienDave> !gender
[02:39] <daninoz> zykotick9: ok, thanks.
[02:40] <gmachine_24> I feel like a bonehead but here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/6248932/
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> gmachine_24:  .sh is for your benifit. as long as its executable.. its executable ;)
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> dont forget to start the script with a proper #!/bin/bash line
[02:42] <gmachine_24> Dr_Willis: yeah, the shebang line is there
[02:42] <gmachine_24> the executable works fine
[02:42] <paradizelost> hey, hope someone can help me, i've got a server down, and i booted to a rescue cd, the drive shows up as /dev/sg2, but sg_map doesn't show it having a /dev/sd name
[02:42] <gmachine_24> I just can't get it scheduled via cron
[02:42] <paradizelost> it shows /dev/sr0 for the cdrom
[02:42] <paradizelost> if i try to mount /dev/sg2 it says it's not a valid block device
[02:43] <bean> paradizelost, so if you "sg_map -sd" it doesn't display the disk device
[02:43] <bean> ?
[02:44]  * wilee-nilee listens to thick as a brick
[02:44] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: isn't /dev/something standard for an optical drive
[02:44] <ObrienDave> my favorite Jethro Tull album ;)
[02:44] <paradizelost> the device is listed as /dev/sg2
[02:44] <paradizelost> what i'm trying to mount is a SAS hard drive
[02:44] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: what device is listed as /dev/sg2
[02:44] <bean> gmachine_24, i'm aware what /dev/sg whatever is.
[02:45] <paradizelost> if i do lsscsi i show the drive as /dev/sg2
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> sr0  is often an optical disk . :)
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> not sure about sg*
[02:45] <paradizelost> but where the cdroms list /dev/sr0 and 1, it just shows "-"
[02:45] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: what os are you running
[02:45] <paradizelost> [3:0:0:0] disk ATA ST3160812AS J - /dev/sg2
[02:46] <bean> paradizelost, okay, "lsscsi -g" might tell you something?
[02:46] <paradizelost> it's sysresccd
[02:46] <paradizelost> that is from lsscsi -g\
[02:46] <bean> okay.
[02:46] <paradizelost> [3:0:0:0] disk ATA ST3160812AS J - /dev/sg2        < -- from lsscsi -g
[02:47] <moppy> what does the J mean?
[02:47] <moppy> i can see it's a seagate SATA 160GB but the J?
[02:47] <jxcl> hey guys, I'm trying to run optirun after installing steam and I'm getting "ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver"
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> serial number./make/model id# it looks like
[02:47] <jxcl> I noticed that Steam installed some sort of nvidia updates but I don't remember what they were.
[02:47] <bean> paradizelost, this is an ubuntu support channel, you could try booting an ubuntu rescue CD
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> jxcl:  steam likes/wants you to hjave the latest nvidia drivers. You do have a nvidia video card? its not one of those dual gpu optimus sytems is it?
[02:48] <ObrienDave> Dr_Willis... [0:0:0:0]    disk    ATA      SAMSUNG HM500JI  2AC1  /dev/sda   /dev/sg0
[02:48] <paradizelost> it's at a site 4 hours away with an admin who doesn't know how to do anything
[02:48] <paradizelost> and i have no other access to the system
[02:49] <jxcl> Dr_Willis: It is an optimus system, otherwise I wouldn't be trying to use optirun
[02:49] <paradizelost> it took me 3 hours to get this far along
[02:49] <ObrienDave> [1:0:0:0]    cd/dvd  PIONEER  BD-ROM  BDC-TD02 1.01  /dev/sr0   /dev/sg1
[02:49] <bean> paradizelost, then you're not very likely to get help in an ubuntu support channel for a non ubuntu OS.
[02:49] <Yowl> LVM replaces your FS and then you put the FS on top of it, so that you can't have LVM drives without deleting existing content?
[02:49] <paradizelost> i was hoping it would be a generic enough issue
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> jxcl:  well. good luck. :) I dont know much of anything about Optimus.  Its possible it installed the wrong drivers and broke the optimus/bumblebee setup
[02:50] <jxcl> Dr_Willis: ah, shame. Thanks
[02:50] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: do you know the underlying os used for the sysreccd
[02:51] <jxcl> there was some documentation about changing the bumblebee configuration from "Driver=" to "Driver=nvidia" but when I do that it says I can't find module "nvidia"
[02:51] <paradizelost> no, i didn't give it to the guy
[02:51] <paradizelost> but it doesn't look like they have an irc room for the distro
[02:51] <paradizelost> i think it might be gentoo
[02:52] <bean> paradizelost, you could try "dmesg" and see if anything disk related is in there
[02:52] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: yes, it's gentoo
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> lsb_release -a   may give details also
[02:52] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: perhaps try them? 1800-gen-toot
[02:53] <gmachine_24> kidding
[02:53] <paradizelost> checking #gentoo
[02:53] <subby1> I was not getting internet connection in my ubuntu.....it was connected to my laptoop
[02:55] <bean> paradizelost, "dmesg | grep "sd""
[02:56] <paradizelost> bean: returns nothing
[02:57] <gmachine_24> without the quotes, right?
[02:57] <bean> well,  yeah, but he knew that.
[02:57] <gmachine_24> just checking
[02:57] <bean> paradizelost, damn, good luck :\
[02:57] <gmachine_24> paradizelost: yeah I came in on the middle of this.
[03:00] <blob4000> good evening! i have a 13.04 test machine and i'd love to upgrade it to 13.10 early. what's the best way? i'd like it to also be updated to 13.10 final tomorrow evening
[03:01] <SchrodingersScat> !ubuntu+1 | blob4000
[03:01] <blob4000> thanks!
[03:01] <SchrodingersScat> blob4000: you're so close though.
[03:02] <zykotick9> !final | blob4000
[03:02] <SchrodingersScat> zykotick9: neat, thanks
[03:03] <blob4000> thanks
[03:04] <Gabboz> Hi. 12.04 server.  I have an external eSATA HDD with 4 bad blocks(found with badblocks -v ./dev/sdb1) which I piped to a file.  How can I format or fsck that device and tell it to ignore the bad sectors?
[03:06] <bean> Gabboz, if you can unmount the FS you should be able to "badblocks -n -v ./dev/sdb1" i think.
[03:06] <bean> that should remap it
[03:07] <bean> let me double check the man page though
[03:07] <Gabboz> bean, yeah i unmounted it before i ran badblocks
[03:08] <Gabboz> bean, that cmd is essentially what i ran... i need to import the bad-blocks file(i made with badblocks) into the HDD so it knows not to write there
[03:09] <bean> Gabboz, ah, i believe it's "fsck -c /dev/sdb1"
[03:09] <bean> -c apparently makes it invoke badblocks and add them to the bad blocks inode
[03:09] <gmachine_24> Gabboz: I just run e2fsck -v -c -c etc. and that ids the bad files and writes info if possible to new sectors
[03:10] <gmachine_24> sorry, not bad files; bad sectors
[03:10] <Gabboz> bean, i might have it.. fsck.ext4 -l bad-blocks /dev/sdb1 looked like it did the trick
[03:10] <Gabboz> ahh so badblocks executable can do this in 1 step? good to know.
[03:10] <bean> apparently.
[03:10] <bean> yeah, -l being the bad blocks file looks like it can do it too
[03:11] <bean>  As a result, it is much simpler and safer to use the -c option to e2fsck, since it will assure that the correct parameters are passed to the badblocks program
[03:11] <bean> according to the man page
[03:11] <Gabboz> ok. i am not worried about the data anyway.. its an rsnapshot volume
[03:12] <bean> valid.
[03:15] <Gabboz> bean, if i were to reformat that HDD, would the bad blocks be lost?  I don't know where that info is stored.
[03:15] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | Gabboz
[03:16] <bean> Gabboz, I believe, since inodes are a filesystem concept
[03:16] <Gabboz> lotuspsychje, thanks but i found the bad blocks and it don't appear to be growing..
[03:16] <Gabboz> ok
[03:16] <Gabboz> i should be able to reformat and add the bad-blocks info back in?
[03:19] <Iridium> Do I need to add an anti-virus to my Ubuntu install?
[03:19] <SchrodingersScat> !info clamav | Iridium
[03:20] <Iridium> Thanks!
[03:20] <zykotick9> !virus | Iridium
[03:20] <Iridium> I appreciate it, thanks.
[03:22] <Gabboz> cheers..thx for help
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> Iri
[03:29] <Ethornet> is there a video player that remembers what file in a playlist was the last one played and plays the right file when I open the playlist the next time? smplayer remembers the last position in a video, but can it somehow remember the last position in a playlist too?
[03:30] <SchrodingersScat> Ethornet: you should write something that wraps around smplayer and takes care of that
[03:30] <Ari-Yang> Ethornet: I'm not sure.... perhaps mpv? but I don't know... http://mpv.io/ you can ask about mpv in #mpv-player
[03:39] <Ethornet> Ari-Yang: I'll check it out, thanks. SchrodingersScat: yeah, thought about that. but if there already is a player that can do that, I'd rather use that. my programming skill is little above hello world level. but that might be a fun little project.
[03:39] <harris> how is ubuntu touch being released tommorow if the grouper has red blocks
[03:39] <harris> in the status page
[03:40] <wilee-nilee> !touch | harris
[03:42] <Ethornet> why do some programs output --help to stderr? especially why does sshfs output a part of --help to stdout and the rest to stderr? that is ... strange.
[03:43] <black_angel> which options in AIX xlc compiler is the same as GCC -fPIC -shared
[03:50] <dr_dissector> hi all
[03:51] <dr_dissector> is there an app that will let me synchronize outlook.com email to desktop (a-la MS Outlook app)
[03:51] <dr_dissector> ?
[03:52] <SchrodingersScat> dr_dissector: does thunderbird work?
[03:53] <dr_dissector> Let me rephrase: Thunderbird works for email - I am trying to synchronize calendar as well
[03:53] <dr_dissector> Calendar got me stumped
[03:53] <dr_dissector> I cannot create an appointment in Thunderbird and synchronize to outlook.com (calendar is read only)
[03:54] <dr_dissector> I am looking for a native app (I can use Wine to install MS Office) but that is an overkill...
[03:55] <dr_dissector> Tried Evolution - same issue with Calendar
[04:00] <brewmaster619> dr_dissector: I don't know if anyone offers that, I read from last December that Google quit offering it, due to having to pay MS for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync (EAS)
[04:01] <brewmaster619> unless I misunderstood the article I read.
[04:02] <dr_dissector> Thanks brewmaster619 - that is exactly what I am up against. If only I could find something that works with EAS...
[04:04] <moppy> dr_dissector: i know there is a plugin for thunderbird, can't remember name
[04:05] <moppy> dr_dissector: https://exquilla.zendesk.com/home
[04:07] <brewmaster619> dr_dissector here's an article with a couple of suggestions. https://sites.google.com/site/steveedmondson/resources/thunderbird-exchange
[04:07] <dr_dissector> thanks guys...
[04:09] <moppy> dr_dissector: Android works fine too.
[04:12] <dr_dissector> moppy: I hard about android- don't have a device handy
[04:17] <moppy> you're hard about android? well that bring fanboyism to a new level
[04:18] <Jarchy> Can't wait for 13.10!!!!
[04:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Jarchy: #ubuntu-release-party if you want to wait it out there... we have cheerleaders! :)
[04:19] <Paulus68_1> !patience|Jarchy :p
[04:19] <wilee-nilee> SonikkuAmerica, Its not you in drag. ;)
[04:20] <SonikkuAmerica> wilee-nilee: Oh shush... I'd never be in drag... but ObrienDave might dress up in a uni
[04:20] <wilee-nilee> lol
[04:22] <brewmaster619> when is it supposed to release, UTC?
[04:23] <Jarchy> 17th
[04:23] <brewmaster619> time in UTC
[04:27] <Cip> hello guays somebody can help me? i have a user that is a standard profile but when i have an access with that user and i need a sudo permission and i request a sudo command, the system does not recognisze the passowrd
[04:27] <Cip> wich instead on the other user (the admin) the password is correct
[04:27] <Cip> hello guys somebody can help me? i have a user that is a standard profile but when i have an access with that user and i need a sudo permission and i request a sudo command, the system does not recognisze the passowrd
[04:27] <gdos> what's the smallest (i.e. small in size, memory, screen footprint, etc.) pure (meaning only) mp3/ogg player for Ubuntu?
[04:27] <wilee-nilee> Cip, A standard account is not in the sudo list, it's not an admin.
[04:28] <Cip> wilee-nilee thank you, so from that profile i can not "sudo su" ?
[04:30] <wilee-nilee> Cip, I'm not sure, you might give a overall goal here for the best help, including whether that account needs to be standard.
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> you normally dont do 'sudo su' Cip  its best to just use 'sudo -s' if you need a root shell.
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> if the user needs sudo rights, they need to be in the admin group. (or was it the adm group)
[04:31] <wilee-nilee> I believe it can be made a admin in users if you want to use a gui.
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> hmm this user is in sudo and adm ;)
[04:32] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, A standard account as of now.
[04:34] <gdos> or sudo bash
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> sudo bash is nasty also. ;)
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/7477/how-can-i-add-a-new-user-as-sudoer-using-the-command-line
[04:36] <dr_dissector> Just for the record regarding the issues with calendar (Exchange ActiveSync) - there is a program called DavMail which can assist.
[04:36] <brewmaster619> dr_dissector: you get it to work?
[04:39] <Kuroshita> hey guys, quick question: does 13.10 still require compiz?
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> Kuroshita, unity is a plugin in compiz
[04:40] <moppy> compiz is supposed to be improved in saucy
[04:41] <moppy> when we change from calling them by the adjective, to using the X.y?
[04:41] <moppy> when did we*
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> Kuroshita:  13.10 has compiz
[04:42] <dr_dissector> working on it - there are copious instructions on davmail website (deb is on sourceforge)
[04:42] <moppy> 2 years ago it was common to cal them lucid, maverick and natty not 10.04, 10.10, 11.04
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> i always use the numbers.. the code names are annoying
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> no one could spell quantal
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[04:42] <moppy> oh is that why it changed?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> it was all downhill after dapper drake
[04:43] <Cip> wilee-nilee the standard users is one of my employee, i need to "sudo" from his profile in order to install and fix some softwares or configurations
[04:44] <dr_dissector> brewmaster619: http://davmail.sourceforge.net/linuxsetup.html    in case you are interested
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  if hes not in the admin/sudores group. then you need to either add him to it.. or login as a user that can sudo.
[04:44] <moppy> i woudl have thought oneiric would give more trouble than quantal
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  unless of course you set a root password
[04:44] <moppy> at least we're not fedora
[04:45] <Cip> Dr_Willis i have added him to the sudoers but it does not work, i have also a root passowrd but also... it does not work
[04:45] <chsados> is sudoer in the dictionary?
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  the user Has to log out/back in    for the group change to take effect
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> if the root user password is set then you could use  ssh, or login, to login to a root shell i belive
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> well perhaps not ssh ;)  thats disabled also for root by default
[04:55] <Jack__> Hello?
[04:55] <Jack__> Anyone?
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> you moo
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> mooed? :)
[04:56] <Jack__> Great! I'm sort of in an emergency. Can I pop a question in quick?
[04:57] <brewmaster619> !isitout
[04:57] <Jack__> Pretty urgent, and sort of needs quick attention.
[04:57] <dr_dissector> shoot
[04:57] <Jack__> Thanks.
[04:58] <Jack__> How do I make a Mac bootable Linux live USB on Windows?
[04:58] <Jack__> Colleague here dropped her Mac Book Pro. It won't turn on anymore. The only available computers here are PC.
[04:59] <Jack__> Sort of annoyed that I'm restricted in terms of OS choices at the moment.
[04:59] <nirvana> what is mac bootable linux
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> Jack__:  the pendrivelinux site has dozens of tools
[04:59] <Jack__> I'm Googling as fast as I can, but can't seem to find much. I'll have a look at pendrivelinux.
[04:59] <nirvana> oh ok
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> you could even use a tool like winimage to do a straight 'image' to the flash drive - if you allready have the  ubuntu mac iso file
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> what are you going to do with the flash drive if the  mac wont turn on?
[05:00] <Cip> Dr_Willis  I logged out and relogged in with tha tprofile right now, i opened the terminal and typed "sudo su" for test. it ask me tha password but the message says "sorry try again" for 3 times
[05:01] <Jack__> I'll probably open the lappy up afterwards.
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  dont use sudo su
[05:01] <Jack__> But first, I want to check if there are any hardware problems by booting Linux.
[05:01] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  try 'sudo -s' and it wants the USERS password for sudo. not the root users password
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> if the mac wont 'turn on' how are you going to do anything with it? ;)
[05:02] <Dr_Willis> unless you mean it wont 'boot up the os'
[05:03] <Cip> Dr_Willis  ok, i found it i was using the administrator password wich instead i should use the profile password
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  yes.. a user with sudo rights uses the USERS password.
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> Cip:  because normally there is NO admin/root user password ;)
[05:04] <Cip> is that possibile to sudo with the admin passowrd from that profile instead of the user password so on me can have sudo permission?
[05:04] <Cip> is that possibile to sudo with the admin passowrd from that profile instead of the user password so only me can have sudo permission?
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> sudo uses the users password..
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> thats sort of the point of sudo.
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> you could login as any user then use   the 'login ' command perhaps to switch to the 'root' user. but thats getting weird
[05:05] <brewmaster619> !sudo
[05:06] <Jack__> The Mac turns on. It just doesn't boot OS>
[05:06] <Jack__> Gosh this is a weird situation.
[05:06] <Cip> thank you
[05:09] <utusan> has the 14.04 code name been out?
[05:09] <utusan> 13.10 will be released anytime soon?
[05:09] <Jack__> Basically, I need to know how to make a Mac bootable Linux USB on Windows. The only thing I have here is a slow Windows laptop and an 8GB flash stick.
[05:11] <Ben64> utusan: tomorrow
[05:11] <moppy> there are not many T animals and Turkey is obviously autoreject
[05:12] <moppy> so tapir?
[05:12] <brewmaster619> tomorrow for some people, today for others...
[05:12] <Jack__> What is Slax Linux?
[05:12] <moppy> toucan, tiger, tapir perhaps.
[05:12] <Ben64> moppy: not really on topic here
[05:12] <nirvana> tacos
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Jack__:  you get the Mac version of the ubuntu iso. and use the tools from pendrivelinux as far as i kno0w
[05:14] <brewmaster619> 13.10 realse channel:  #ubuntu-release-party
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> !torrents
[05:15] <utusan> am just curious as I don't see any yet, and I have to s/saucy/tomorrow/g today :(
[05:16] <Jack__> Mac version of ubuntu? Well, thanks. I'll go search for that immediately.
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/file?info_hash=%CE%5BB/%81XyX%05y%CD%26%8C%9A%E6%E9%5B1%19%04
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> heh what a ugly url
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> the ones that have -mac- in the name
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu-12.04.3-desktop-amd64+mac.iso
[05:17] <utusan> I gues you can run the live cd, and then dload the mac version and then run usb-creator
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> he has a windows pc he said.
[05:18] <utusan> so ?
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> he can get a tool from pendrivelinux, and use that iso. and make a mac-useable pendrive - i belive
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> all on the windows pc.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> then hope the mac isent so badly damaged  that it can boot.
[05:19] <wallzero> Greetings, I was thinking about replacing VMware with Xen, and was curious is anyone has used Xen for personal use?
[05:20] <utusan> virtualbox is better imho
[05:20] <Jarchy> !isitout
[05:21] <moppy> utusan: can i ask the reasons?
[05:22] <vindav> What is the terminal command to delete and terminal command in the terminal box ?
[05:22] <utusan> moppy: been setting a fresh install for 14.04
[05:22] <Ben64> vindav: "to delete and terminal command in the terminal box" ?????
[05:23] <moppy> utusan: i mean for virtualbox
[05:23] <Andarys> hola
[05:24] <Andarys> hay alguien?
[05:24] <vindav> Of all the terminal commands I've entered into the terminal box, I want to delete their entries, not the functionality.  Anybody know the terminal command to do so ?
[05:25] <kam> hey people, I installed nemo (file manager), and I can't do things like unzip folders or move things around, how do I change permissions?
[05:25] <Andarys> alguien habla español?
[05:25] <somsip> x!es | Andarys
[05:25] <somsip> !es | Andarys
[05:25] <moppy> vindav: .bash_history file in your ~
[05:25] <Andarys> decime somsip
[05:26] <Andarys> gracias
[05:26] <Andarys> tanks
[05:26] <moppy> vindav: also turn off history in .bashrc
[05:26] <utusan> vindav: you mean to clear history? history -c
[05:26] <vindav> moppy:  I'll try that command out right now and we'll let you know if it works or not.
[05:26] <wallzero> utusan: Xen is very different from Virtualbox/VMware - or at least from what I understand so far.
[05:27] <utusan> wallzero:of course it is because it's a lot better for personal use :)
[05:28] <vindav> moppy:  how do you do that and what is the command exactly please ?
[05:28] <vindav> utusan:  I'll try the command you posted.  We'll let you know if it works.
[05:28] <utusan> vindav: history -c
[05:29] <wallzero> utusan: Yes. I understand Xen isn't as friendly, but I like the challenge of settings up a type-1 hypervisor.
[05:29] <moppy> vindav: I don't need to know if it works or not :) remember to turn it off, though
[05:30] <vindav> utusan:  'history -c' is the command that erases all the commands entered into terminal, but not their functionality.  Whoa, thank you for your awesome help & intercept here !!! :D
[05:31] <utusan> vindav: you can always man <command> or <command> --help
[05:32] <wallzero> utusan: Do you know how Xen containers work? I also wanted to move away from VMware for simpler file containers. I was wondering if Xen can launch an OS from, say, a btrfs subvolume?
[05:32] <vindav> utusan:  thank you.  Where does one get knowledge of the command like you helped me with ? I tried Googling and it didn't help me.
[05:33] <vindav> moppy:  Thank you for your help tonight.  I sparked interest.
[05:33] <moppy> india?
[05:34] <nirvana> oh lol, cant even sudo dpkg --configure -a , got error "error creating new bckup file, no space left on device" on liveusb
[05:34] <nirvana> how do i free some space
[05:34] <moppy> wallzero: xen is type 1? that's amazing. i'll check it out.
[05:35] <reves> Is ubuntu touch for nexus 7 really gonna drop today? If this is a rumour i will be heartbroken
[05:35] <rainbowwarrior> hello , can anyone point me in the right direction of installing Ubuntu 13.04 alongside pre-installed windows (64 bit) on an Acer Aspire V5 laptop please ?
[05:36] <rainbowwarrior> windows 8 *
[05:36] <moppy> wallzero: Being type 1 does it actually boot into Xen and not Ubuntu?
[05:36] <wallzero> moppy: Yeah, look into VGA passthrough while you are at it. Seems like a holy grail for typical dual-booters.
[05:36] <moppy> rainbowwarrior: The regular installer does all of that. Ubuntu.com and download. Instructions are there
[05:37] <wallzero> moppy: I don't have it running yet, but from what I gather: you select Xen from GRUB and then Xen boots Ubuntu.
[05:37] <reves> Harroooo...? Ubuntu touch. Is is about to be released?
[05:38] <somsip> !touch | reves
[05:38] <utusan> wallzero: sorry I don't know Xen, I only use vbox
[05:38] <reves> Thanks useless bot
[05:38] <kam> hey people, I installed nemo (file manager), and I can't do things like unzip folders or move things around, how do I change permissions?
[05:38] <kam> I uninstalled it but now the original file manager doesn't have permissions
[05:38] <somsip> kam: how did you install nemo?
[05:38] <kam> with command line
[05:39] <wallzero> moppy: I just found Xen's IRC: ##xen. I need more information about containers before I commit. VMware is working well for me in the meantime.
[05:39] <somsip> kam: from where?
[05:39] <kam> and sudo
[05:39] <Ben64> kam: permissions on what and where, be specific, we cannot see your computer
[05:39] <wallzero> utusan: No worries, thanks for the help.
[05:39] <kam> sorry, I'm trying to untar eclipse in Downloads and it says operation not permitted
[05:40] <kam> when I go to properties it says Owner: "Me"
[05:40] <kam> create and delete files
[05:40] <Guest10147> !info eclipse
[05:40] <Ben64> kam: paste the output of "ls -l <path to your file>"
[05:41] <kam> -rw------- 1 kam kam 207368209 Oct 17 01:17 eclipse-standard-kepler-SR1-linux-gtk-x86_64.tar.gz
[05:41] <rainbowwarrior> Ok ty moppy
[05:42] <somsip> kam: and you're wanting to click on that and see it open in Nautilus to untar it? and it doesn't work because you installed (then uninstalled) nemo which broke nautilus. Is that right?
[05:43] <kam> yah no need to be condescending
[05:44] <utusan> kam: he is just trying to get the picture and help you, nothing more
[05:44] <somsip> kam: I'm trying to understand. It helps when you give the details clearly
[05:45] <somsip> kam: this might help: http://is.gd/yeYcUJ
[05:45] <perlsyntax> Does anyone know if ubuntu 1310 will have a mate iso?
[05:45] <Ben64> i'm wondering how you get nemo on ubutnu
[05:45] <Ben64> perlsyntax: no. mate is not supported here and is a terrible zombie
[05:45] <perlsyntax> lol
[05:46] <kam> i'm sorry I misunderstood
[05:47] <Ben64> kam: are you running linux mint?
[05:47] <moppy> he should know about zombies, too. he's ben10 only with more aliens
[05:47] <kam> Ben64: no sir, there's an article on webupd8 to install it in ubuntu
[05:47] <somsip> kam: hence my first question - how did you install it..
[05:48] <kam> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/how-to-install-nemo-file-manager-in.html
[05:48] <RandLAT> Planning on using Ubuntu 13.10 within VirtualBox on a Mac. Which ISO should I get? 32-bit Intel, 64-bit PC AMD or the 64-bit Mac AMD? Thanks in advance.
[05:48] <somsip> kam: so if that link I gave you doesn't help, you need to see !ppa
[05:48] <utusan> vbox can use 32 or 64 bit guestr
[05:49] <kam> somsip: np thank you.
[05:51] <utusan> RandLAT: if you a Mac host why run a Mac guest?
[05:51] <utusan> have a*
[05:52] <moppy> actually that's a good quetion. would you use the intel or mac ubuntu on a mac host VM?
[05:52] <RandLAT> utusan: I wasn't sure but now I guess the 64-bit MAC ISO is to install it on a Mac's hardware, not inside a VB
[05:52] <Guest10147> moppy:  a mac host with an ubuntu guest? the intel one
[05:53] <moppy> i would guess the VBox emulates an x86 PC so I would assume the PC one, but im not sure
[05:53] <Guest10147> the mac image is to deal with quirks in mac hardware related to booting, which wouldn't be relevant to VMs
[05:53] <moppy> Guest10147: macs are intel CPU
[05:53] <Guest10147> moppy: i know :)
[05:53] <moppy> ok
[05:53] <utusan> RandLAT: you could run the mac inside a vbox but why when your host is already a mac?
[05:53] <moppy> utusan: he is running UBUNTU as the guest
[05:54] <finchd> utusan: why would anyone run the same OS in a VM?
[05:54] <moppy> finchd: testing, security etc
[05:54] <finchd> moppy: sorry was being cynical
[05:54] <moppy> got dodgy file? open in VM etc
[05:55] <utusan> finchd: that's exactly what I'm asking
[05:55] <finchd> i've run several *nixes in VB on my intel mac, what was the trouble?
[05:55] <RandLAT> utusan: To clarify, my goal isn't to install Ubuntu directly onto my Mac, but to use inside VirtualBox using Vagrant.
[05:56] <finchd> and yes, you can install x86/x86_64 Mac OSX in VB, no matter the host
[05:56] <finchd> RandLAT: and it's giving you trouble?
[05:56] <RandLAT> finchd: No, I came here to ask a question, hopefully avoiding troubles.
[05:57] <utusan> RandLAT: I understand you have vbox in your mac.
[05:57] <finchd> RandLAT: I'd just go download a prebuilt vagrant box from http://www.vagrantbox.es/ and isntall with vagrant
[05:57] <jon8> how can i tell from the command line whether Ubuntu is installed or Lubuntu is installed?
[05:58] <RandLAT> Thanks utusan, finchd, moppy
[05:58] <finchd> jon8: `cat /etc/motd` or `cat /etc/lsb_release` ?
[05:58] <finchd> err i bet lsb_release says 'ubuntu', huh?
[05:59] <utusan> dpkg -l lubuntu
[05:59] <Guest10147> lsb_release -a
[05:59] <jon8> lsb_release -a says Ubuntu
[05:59] <jon8> thanks
[06:00] <Guest10147> oh, Ubuntu vs. Xubuntu, that won't work for that
[06:00] <Guest10147> i am pro at reading :s
[06:00] <Ben64> jon8: theres really no difference between ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu other than the packages that are installed
[06:02] <hurryup> is it out yet
[06:02] <hurryup> is it out yet
[06:02] <Guest10147> hurryup: nope, but you can visit #ubuntu-release-party while you're waiting :)
[06:02] <ericY> !isitoutyet
[06:03] <hurryup> lol a bot trigger and all! fantastic
[06:03] <hurryup> i'm joining the party channel
[06:03] <hurryup> october 2013 is a tad vague. what bout a time?
[06:03] <hurryup> cummon boys
[06:03] <ericY> !help
[06:04] <Guest10147> hurryup: tomorrow. there is no set time
[06:04] <ericY> (Sorry, I'm going to see if I can coerce some info out of this bot...hehe)
[06:04] <ericY> !patience
[06:04] <Guest10147> (where tomorrow = october 27th)
[06:04] <Guest10147> ubottu: msg > ericY
[06:04] <k1l_> hurryup: there is no ETA. please keep this channel clear for support
[06:04] <hurryup> tomorrow in australia or tomorrow in england or tomorrow in yesterday land
[06:04] <hurryup> im so confused
[06:04] <hurryup> i want me some ubuntu goodness
[06:04] <justaguy> This is going to be a busy day in #ubuntu , new release and there will be installation / upgrade problems
[06:05] <Ben64> hurryup: stop asking, it'll be out when it's out
[06:05] <k1l_> !party hurryup ericY
[06:05] <k1l_> !party hurryup
[06:05] <ericY> k1l_: is there a channel for the release party?
[06:05] <Ben64> k1l_: you
[06:05] <Ben64> 're missing a |
[06:05] <Guest10147> !party | k1l_
[06:05] <Guest10147> hurryup: some time during the time period when it's the 17th somewhere. probably.
[06:05] <hurryup> you know it's part of tradition to be pestered into a meltdown on a release date
[06:05] <k1l_> hurryup: ericY see the bots message
[06:05] <hurryup> cheer up
[06:05] <ericY> k1l_: thanks
[06:06] <k1l_> Ben64: yes, too early and not enough coffee for me so far :)
[06:06] <hurryup> i'm in aus sinking beers hitting F5
[06:06] <hurryup> :)
[06:09] <Cip> somebody can tell me how i can create a webdav link on ubutnu?
[06:12] <chare> when is saucy coming out GMT?
[06:13] <sirblubber> wondering the same thing, chare
[06:13] <chare> GO FIND OUT
[06:14] <Ben64> !party | chare & sirblubber
[06:14] <sirblubber> oh, thanks :)
[06:14] <chare> !Saucy
[06:15] <moppy> I can see Canonical's main London office from where I am, should I go yell at them to hurry it up? :-)
[06:16] <andkore> Can I download 13.10 somewhere?
[06:17] <Ben64> !13.10 | andkore
[06:17] <mrafiq> I WANT TO INSTAL URDU FONTS IN MY SYSTEM HO TO DO THAT
[06:17] <andkore> Ben64: OK. well it's already the 17th some places
[06:17] <Paulus68_1> !caps| mrafiq
[06:17] <Ben64> andkore: well its not out yet
[06:17] <andkore> ok, thanks
[06:18] <mrafiq> i want to install urdu fonts and want to type in unicode urdu how to do that
[06:19] <MarkDavis> does there exist a free high-quality speech recognition software (able to recognize about 95% of an average text)
[06:19] <mrafiq> i want to install vpn in ubuntu how to do that
[06:21] <Guest84813> register
[06:21] <Paulus68_1> !vpn |mrafiq
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> MarkDavis:  i seem to recall some tool mentioned the other day that used the google voice engine on ubuntu . ;) but i cant even ermber where i saw it at. webupd8 or omgubuntu. but i bet it was only for short phrases
[06:23] <MarkDavis> Dr_Willis: no, I need to have a transcript done
[06:26] <MarkDavis> Or perhaps do you know a place where it is possible to announce that I'd like to have a transcript and people are likely to do it (librevox or sth like that works the other way-round)?
[06:33] <niop> hi, java installation problem.  i set JAVA_HOME using: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_25/bin/java.  but when i type java - version it gives the inbuilt java, not the one referred to JAVA_HOME. any ideas?  ~/.bash_profile refers to rvm, a ruby version manager in case it might be relevant.
[06:37] <Dr_Willis> niop:  java home isnot the same as your $PATH
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> if you want to use the bins in that dir first. put that directory first in your PATH also
[06:39] <niop> i've set path as well.  the last entry is the desired jdk path:  jc@jc-linux ~/Downloads $ echo $PATH
[06:39] <niop> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/home/jc/.rvm/bin:/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_25/bin
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> you want the java bin to be the first in your PATH
[06:39] <niop> ok, so you're suggesting to put the path at the start.
[06:39] <niop> ok
[06:40] <niop> linux seems to automatically adjust the jre, once  a version is removed. so wondering where it actually records where the current jre is.  that might be the place to look. but shall try the path solution you've mentioned.
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> !java
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> only java instgalls i do are fromthe repos. or using some ppa/script i recall from webupd8 ;)
[06:44] <niop> gives this now, for java - version:
[06:44] <niop> jc@jc-linux ~/Downloads $ java -version
[06:44] <niop> Error occurred during initialization of VM
[06:44] <niop> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[06:44] <Dr_Willis> now that might be do the java path. :)
[06:45] <niop> i've got a few jres apparently, and at least 1 jdk. i need a jdk.
[06:45] <niop> two of the jre's i've discovered happily are inbuilt.
[06:46] <niop> but i'd just like to use the jdk, and it's own jre
[06:46] <Matt_91> hi, can i make a release upgrade(with do-realease-upgrade) that answer yes every time to all questions?
[06:46] <niop> turning out to be quite a puzzle.
[06:47] <niop> there's also oracle and open versions of the jdk, and they install to different locations.
[06:47] <niop> as in /usr/lib and /usr/java
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-sun-oracles-proprietary-java-6-7-jre-or-jdk
[06:48] <Simooon> Hey, does anyone know the precise time that 13.10 is released?
[06:48] <Guest10147> Simooon: nope, there isn't one. it'll be released when the release process is finished
[06:48] <niop> thanks.. the correction version of java is not being accessed, with path modification, but not sure why the error.  at worst can just reinstall i guess.
[06:48] <niop> *correct
[06:49] <niop> *is now
[06:49] <Simooon> Guest10147, ok, but today right?
[06:49] <Guest10147> Simooon: probably, yes, for some value of "today" (bearing in mind timezones)
[06:51] <Simooon> Guest10147, yes ok, so perhaps not today, in gmt+2 where I live :-P
[06:52] <avcoe> hello
[06:52] <excalibr> guys which DE is this? http://i.imgur.com/nVK3414.jpg
[06:52] <avcoe> hey mam
[06:53] <k1l_> excalibr: looks like gnome-fallback (or gnome-classic)
[06:53] <k1l_> !party | Simooon
[06:53] <avcoe> hello ritz
[06:53] <excalibr> k1l_: they still keep it around? i thought they've killed it
[06:54] <k1l_> excalibr: yes, redhat made them keeping that going.
[06:54] <Simooon> k1l_, ok :-)
[06:55] <niop> checking the java version.. with file `which java javac`, reports "/usr/java/jdk1.7.0_25/bin/java:  ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked "  my machine is AMD. rather than intel.  could this be the wrong java exe to use?
[06:56] <niop> i386 is probably platform even though it's AMD i guess.
[06:56] <Gnea> niop: AMD and Intel processors are based on the old 80386 standard
[06:56] <niop> ok ta
[06:58] <excalibr> k1l_: how do you get that DE? i don't see the choice to log into that DE on my login screen
[06:58] <k1l_> excalibr: depends on your ubuntu version
[06:58] <excalibr> 13.04 here
[06:59] <niop> could i just remove all the java stuff, there's a few in there according to the synaptic package manger, and just leave one, without breaking the system?
[06:59] <niop> as in the inbuilt java packages like icetea
[07:00] <excalibr> I guess gnome-fallback has be installed manually?
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> excalibr, sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> yes
[07:02] <k1l_> excalibr: the renamed the desktop quite often. its also known as gnome-panel
[07:03] <lifepc> hello
[07:04] <pcallday> ubuntu 13.10 is going to be released 10/17?
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> pcallday:  thats the plan
[07:04] <k1l_> pcallday: "some time" today
[07:04] <pcallday> oh anyway today good
[07:04] <pcallday> thanks
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> and the servers will be overloaded for the next 3 days. ;)
[07:05] <pcallday> oh
[07:05] <pcallday> what was that mean?
[07:06] <pcallday> oh i got it maybe..
[07:06] <k1l_> pcallday: just that there is alot of attention and questions when it will be released so far :)
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> ive seen 3000+ people in here on release day
[07:08] <pcallday> ubuntu is great distro I always prefer the latest version.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> also see torrent download speeds that make my network card melt on release day ;)
[07:08] <pcallday> is that true your card melt down?
[07:09] <pcallday> do you use desktop or laptop?
[07:10] <pcallday> fiefox irc client is awesome too
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> when the stuff gets released hop on the torrents and watch the high speeds.. well about an hr of releaese  :)
[07:11] <pcallday> lol...
[07:11] <pcallday> sounds very exited
[07:12] <pcallday> excited
[07:12] <ADP4U> This channel is logged... Oh I am quivering in my boots.
[07:14] <pcallday> ;)
[07:14] <pcallday> do you use xchat these days?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> lots of people use xchat.
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> weechat, and irssi are also popular
[07:16] <pcallday> try chatzilla on firefox
[07:16] <the_drow> I'm going to install Ubuntu. Should I wait for the new release? Someone here told me it's coming today
[07:17] <bazhang> the_drow, it is
[07:17] <ArielX_> really?
[07:17] <bazhang> !party
[07:17] <the_drow> bazhang: I'm not partying yet. I just don't want to install and then wait for the upgrade to finish.
[07:18] <SlvrYeti> When time does 13.10 release today then? :-)
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> wait a few hours. grab the iso's via torrent.. install all you want
[07:18] <niop> i have a  /user/bin/java that points directly to /etc/alternatives/java.  is this how java is normally configured?
[07:18]  * MangaKaDenza gets out the lasers and the j-pop
[07:18] <bazhang> SlvrYeti, wait in the party room
[07:18] <SlvrYeti> Oo where's that?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> niop:  the alternatives system is normally used to select what is the system wide default java
[07:18] <bazhang> !party | SlvrYeti
[07:19] <SlvrYeti> Thanks
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> niop:  this url - sort of explains how its setup -> http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-sun-oracles-proprietary-java-6-7-jre-or-jdk
[07:19] <niop> ok thanks, having a look
[07:23] <MangaKaDenza> threesome, lets have a fourway
[07:27] <jony_easyrider> if I want to move the HDD with Ubuntu 12.04 in on a different PC, the OS must be reinstalled or not?
[07:27] <elky> MangaKaDenza: not appropriate.
[07:27] <Guest10147> jony_easyrider: usually not, no
[07:27] <wilee-nilee> jony_easyrider, depends on the hardware.
[07:27] <k1l_> jony_easyrider: there is a good chance that it will work out of the box
[07:27] <SlvrYeti> What's the easiest way of moving my home folder off of my SSD and have it point to my storage drive?
[07:28] <SlvrYeti> using 13.04*
[07:28] <MangaKaDenza> elky, you're the best pony tho
[07:28] <jony_easyrider> but even if it will work, it could be faster if I would reinstall Ubuntu on the second machine?
[07:28] <elky> MangaKaDenza: then listen to me.
[07:28] <Guest10147> !separatehome | SlvrYeti
[07:28] <Guest10147> jony_easyrider: not particularly, no
[07:29] <SlvrYeti> Cheers
[07:29] <k1l_> jony_easyrider: not at all. just remove the old driver packages that are not used any more and install the new needed ones
[07:29] <jony_easyrider> k1l_, how can be removed those?
[07:30] <k1l_> jony_easyrider: like if you had a nvidia card before and now you have a integraded intel: just remove the nvidia* packages
[07:30] <jony_easyrider> k1l_, how can be removed those?
[07:30] <k1l_> jony_easyrider: but that depends on your ubuntu and on that particular hardware used. i just moved a ssd from an old laptop into a new one and that did run ootb
[07:31] <k1l_> jony_easyrider: just use the package management system
[07:33] <pcallday> i got a question.. Opera is still running very well in ubuntu?
[07:33] <niop> is there an interface for sudo alternatives?
[07:34] <niop> oops.. sudo update-alternatives --config
[07:34] <ANN-TechCoder> Guys, it's 17th. I do not see 13.10 on a website ?
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> niop:  that url i posted mentions the galternatives app (or tool) for a X gui
[07:35] <k1l_> !party | ANN-TechCoder
[07:35] <g0tcha> heya guys, to completely remove a program, is this all i need: "apt-get remove program" then "apt-get autoclean" ?
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> ANN-TechCoder:  theres no set time
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> g0tcha:  apt-get purge PACKAGENAME will Uninstall and remove all configs
[07:35] <halov> pcallday: yes. even better now that its got WebKit/blink
[07:35] <wilee-nilee> g0tcha, sudo apt-get purge "app"
[07:35] <g0tcha> purge is the word!
[07:35] <niop> thanks, hadn't got there yet.  that will be easier. but appear to be on the right track with that page.
[07:35] <g0tcha> thanks =
[07:35] <g0tcha> =)
[07:36] <wilee-nilee> g0tcha, There can still be configs in some instances and other dependencies attached to other apps.
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> imnot sure there is an apt-get autoclean optipn. ;)
[07:36] <pcallday> pcallday: I had sad experience with 2byte characters on opera
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> guess there is. ;) cant recall ever using that one
[07:39] <g0tcha> thing is im trying to remove bacula backup program that i installed, and i want to reinstall it again using packages because i missed a setting earlier
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> g0tcha:  installed how?
[07:39] <g0tcha> when i try to run the apt-get install bacula, it doesnt ask for those settings anymore like it did the first time
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> g0tcha:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure packagename
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> and it may ask them again
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> purge will remove all configs.. remove - will not
[07:41] <Wally> Anyone know a good way to utilise iTunes Home Sharing on Ubuntu?
[07:42] <g0tcha> Dr_Willis, still no dice.. doesnt ask those questions again.. what i did is this: apt-get purge bacula, apt-get autoclean, dpkg-reconfigure bacula (which says its not installed)
[07:42] <g0tcha> when i run apt-get install bacula again, it installs it and doesnt ask for those settings
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> g0tcha:  autoclean does nothing for you.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> the package 'bacula' is a meta package that installs a lot of other packages
[07:42] <MangaKaDenza> bazhang, the joke is
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> !info bacula
[07:43] <MangaKaDenza> oceans have waves
[07:43] <MangaKaDenza> humans wave as a greeting
[07:43] <MangaKaDenza> so.. same word
[07:43] <MangaKaDenza> its a pun
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> g0tcha:  its possible the bacula configs are in some other bacula package
[07:43] <pcallday> what's bacula package?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> a backup utility
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> bacula - network backup service - metapackage
[07:44] <pcallday> oh
[07:44] <zykotick9> g0tcha: once it's installed, try "dpkg reconfigure ba<TAB><TAB>" and see if there is more then 1 bacula option.
[07:44] <bazhang> MangaKaDenza, stick to ubuntu support, chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:44] <BRKsays> I am unable to boot Ubuntu 12.04.3
[07:44] <pcallday> seems like default app
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> willis@1001PXD:~$ apt-cache search bacula
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> shows several dozen packages
[07:44] <pcallday> to backup your ssd data?
[07:45] <wilee-nilee> BRKsays, detail that to the channel.
[07:45] <g0tcha> Dr_Willis, i got it.. had to do apt-get purge bacula*
[07:45] <zykotick9> g0tcha: sorry, that's dpkg-reconfigure, and you'll need sudo
[07:46] <BRKsays> I first downloaded the 64 bit version, checked hash. Then used Unetbooting to test it in live mode. But I only get a black screen with blinking cursor at top left of the screen.
[07:46] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | BRKsays
[07:47] <BRKsays> sorry but I am a noob. How to boot then?
[07:47] <wilee-nilee> BRKsays, read the link it's all there.
[07:48] <BRKsays> @ubottu ok
[07:48] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132     <--- BRKsays read that link
[07:48] <wilee-nilee> BRKsays, If you get in run a update and upgrade and check the additional drivers app.
[07:49] <The> hi
[07:49] <SlvrYeti> Right I think I've moved my home folder and mounted under Home but how can I tell it's pointing to my new drive?
[07:49] <wilee-nilee> SlvrYeti, The drive have a OS yet?
[07:50] <auronandace> SlvrYeti: show uas the fstab
[07:50] <new> hello
[07:50] <BRKsays> @wilee-nilee will do. reading the link. thanks for the response. that was fast!
[07:50] <new> does anyone here know how to install softwares in ubuntu on other partitions
[07:50] <wilee-nilee> BRKsays, no problem, you can tab complete nicks here a swell.
[07:50] <SlvrYeti> Huh? I wiped it and set up a new ext4 and then moved it and mounted as /home following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[07:51] <wilee-nilee> SlvrYeti, You have a OS to use that home?
[07:51] <SlvrYeti> I'm on it now Ubuntu
[07:51] <halov> is the Ubuntu touch 1.0 getting released today going to support the nexus 7 or is it just for the nexus 4 and galaxy nexus? I have seen conflicting articles
[07:51] <dot8> Moin
[07:51] <SlvrYeti> Brb :-)
[07:52] <auronandace> !touch | halov
[07:52] <new> hello
[07:52] <swordsmanz> MangaKaDenza: trolling the good people of #ubuntu i see
[07:52] <MangaKaDenza> wit
[07:52] <MangaKaDenza> wut
[07:53] <MangaKaDenza> shhh
[07:53]  * MangaKaDenza hides
[07:53] <wilee-nilee> SlvrYeti, you would have fstab point at it sudo blkid will tell you the info and gksuso gedit /etc/fstab is where that info would go
[07:53] <new> #ubuntu
[07:53] <wilee-nilee> gksudo gedit /etc/fstab *
[07:53] <new> does anyone here know how to install softwares in ubuntu on other partitions
[07:54] <halov> auronandace: I know that the nexus 7 is going to be supported but I'm wondering if the official release today is just for the nexus 4 and galaxy nexus
[07:54] <SlvrYeti> Right it has done it as the free space of home is now ~900GB :-)
[07:54] <auronandace> new: you need to be in ubuntu to install software for ubuntu (which means you'd be booted to the ubuntu partition)
[07:55] <auronandace> halov: as the bot told you, go to #ubuntu-touch
[07:56] <new> auronandace  i am ihn ubuntu
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> new:  if you are hurting for drive space. you can add a new drive and partions and move various directories there like /var/ and /tmp/ and so forth to free up space on the / partition
[07:56] <new> but the patrition is hardly 10 gb
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> new:  you dont just install stuff via apt to a diffwernt partion.
[07:56] <new> there is a larger partition where i want to install the spftewares
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> new:  you set up the system to use the other partion
[07:57] <Dr_Willis>  /var/ will be a good thing to move, and /tmp/ i imagine
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> and the users  /home/
[07:57] <new> that means i have to reformat the other partition?
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> new:  depends on your setup
[07:57] <Poorsoft> hi.
[07:57] <Poorsoft> like um, my linux crashes.
[07:57] <Poorsoft> i dunno why?
[07:58] <new> the other one is ntfs
[07:58] <SunTsu> new: use "du -s /*| sort -rn| head -5" to figure out the five largest directory and move them
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> if you got a 3tb Hd instelled fornated to ext2/3/4 you can move stuff to it. then  set the sytem to look for the directories there
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> new:  you dont use ntfs for linux system stuff
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> new:  or resize the ntfs and enlarge your linux partition
[07:59] <new> that means i need to make it into ext format
[07:59] <new> how to enlarge the partition?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> or repartion it and make a new ext* partition
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> new:  Gprated
[07:59] <SunTsu> new: gparted
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> gparted
[07:59] <auronandace> new: or resize your ubuntu partition
[08:00] <new> that would be great if the present partition which has ubuntu can absorb some other partition
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> backup all imporntant stuff befor trying to resize partions
[08:00] <Deneuve> #help
[08:00] <Jinxters> anyone installed ircu on ubuntu before?
[08:00] <mzo> ihello, is it possible to run a 12.04 executable on ubuntu 13.04?
[08:01] <auronandace> mzo: never mix packages from different releases
[08:01] <xmetal> i think i will wait (whichever OS i pick) to the NEXT version
[08:01] <new> i am pesently backing up all the data
[08:01] <mzo> auronandace: it's not a really a package, but someone compiled their software only for 12.04, and didn't give source code
[08:02] <xmetal> both (@APril/may 2014 release) of Ubuntu OR mint are both going to be "new" LTS i think
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> mzo:  if they 'statically compiled it'  it should work.. but if they dident.. it may not
[08:02] <auronandace> xmetal: we don't support mint
[08:03] <mzo> Dr_Willis: i'm getting "cannot execute binary file"
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> mzo:  its not a 32bit  binary on a 64bit system is it?
[08:03] <dot8> ich fahre täglich ein update von meinem /home
[08:03] <dot8> die Archive kopiere ich dann via ssh auf einen anderen Server. Allerdings muss ich dann immer mein Passwd eingeben. Daraufhin habe ich dann das Authentifizierung über Public-Keys gemacht. Nun will das Terminal aber meine Passphrase, also ich habe nichts gewonnen....
[08:03] <dot8> Was kann ich tun?
[08:03] <FloodBot1> dot8: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:03] <mzo> Dr_Willis: oh wait it may be
[08:03] <dot8> wrong channel sorry
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> mzo:  it does have the executable bit set, it could also be currupted
[08:03] <xmetal> lol i cnat even say "Mint" without someone saying that
[08:04]  * Dr_Willis hands xmetal  a jolly rancher, mint is bad.. ;)
[08:04] <mzo> Dr_Willis: it works thanks :) they switched the two versions
[08:04] <xmetal> lol
[08:06] <mzo> Dr_Willis: running the 32 bit 12.04 executable works, but not the 12.10 one (i'm on 13.04), i get: undefined symbol: g_markup_parse_context_unref
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> mzo:  means notthing to me.
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> could be the libs the app uses have changed and broke the app
[08:07] <xmetal> its 50/50 .. in a certain ~COUGH~ other distro ... i have (i think i have this right) Pulse Audio Equalizer installed in version 14, but it will not work (no updates that i know of) in v 15
[08:07] <wildon> can't update my 12.04 get some trust issues how do i resolve them
[08:07] <pcallday> 12.04 is old version
[08:07] <xmetal> "you can try it, if there is n oother way" but if there are versions for your "distro number" ... use those
[08:07] <pcallday> reinstall with 13.10
[08:07] <xmetal> mixing packages can lead to headaches
[08:08] <mzo> ok np
[08:09] <wildon> just help me fix the issue
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> wildon: clarify the error messages
[08:11] <mzo> Dr_Willis: do you know if 12.04 executable would run on Debian Testing?
[08:13] <SlvrYeti> Hey guys, I'm trying to rip a CD in 13.04 with Rhythmbox and it's asking for "Vorbis Encoder". Upon trying to install it, I'm greeted with "Package not found". I can't find in the software centre either. Any ideas?
[08:14] <auronandace> mzo: same issue i would think, different set of libraries, so likely not
[08:14] <mzo> ok ty
[08:15] <wildon_> someone help me update 12.04 using main server
[08:16] <CapTech> Do you have admin access on it?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> wildon_:  and 'sudo apt-get update'  'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'  give what errors?
[08:17] <pcallday> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> SlvrYeti:  and what package are you trying to install?
[08:17] <SlvrYeti> It just says Vorbis Encoder. I found this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/204293/python-v2-7-requires-to-install-plugins-to-create-media-files-of-the-following/211390#211390
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> vorbis-tools - several Ogg Vorbis tools
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> libvorbis0a - The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (Decoder library)
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> libvorbisenc2 - The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codec (Encoder library)
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> just looking through the list of what 'apt-cache search vorbis' gives  ;)
[08:20] <excalibr> In gnome-classic-fallback, when you pin apps to the top panel, where is the setting saved in?
[08:20] <excalibr> the list of pinned apps, that is
[08:21] <Douglish> Hello everyone, I have some older ubuntu (10.04) on a laptop.  There is a problem with nm-applet and NetworkManager, it's running, but nm-applet icon won't show after start until I restart NetworkManager. Would anyone know what to do about it?
[08:22] <SlvrYeti> Dr_Willis : vorbis-tools is the only one I didn't have and it seemed to fix the popup asking for the encoder after restarting R/Box
[08:23] <SlvrYeti> You may of found a solution! :-)
[08:24] <gordonjcp> Douglish: can you install a currently-supported version of Ubuntu?
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> !10.04
[08:28] <Jinxters> Can anyone help me installing ircu on Ubuntu?
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> !info ircu
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> and what/where is ircu?
[08:29] <Douglish> gordonjcp: it's old aspire one and I'd rather not, it's slow enough now :)
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> 13.10 xubuntu runs very well on my netbook
[08:33] <Poorsoft> BOOP
[08:33] <kk5> hay
[08:33] <napnap> Hi all, since the last update, my dual screens keep a bad config. Each time I start my computer my left screen had my right desk and the right, the left... Each time I set the right configuration with nvidia-settings, yes it works...but why on each reboot informations are lost ? ( Despite having saved the config in xorg.conf :-s )
[08:33] <andkore> When Wayland/Mir replace X, could I use Wayland instead of Mir? I'm trying to decide between Debian and Ubuntu right now. and the Mir thing concerns me
[08:36] <Koalafied> i got a question
[08:36] <Koalafied> how would i set up a crontab for flashpolicyd
[08:37] <jamie246> kk5: do I know you?
[08:39] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question: does anyone of oyu guys know, whether there is a program which enables you to do "instant messaging" using email adresses?
[08:39] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish
[08:40] <Ben64> howlymowly: its called "email"
[08:40] <OerHeks> kk5 use the amazon lens
[08:40] <vorsprung> kk5: you priv msg'd me I'm wondering why
[08:40] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish
[08:40] <pcallday> what 's your cpu?
[08:40] <vorsprung> kk5: and now you are asking off topic questions
[08:41] <howlymowly> Ben64: yes, but I would like to have a program, which gives me the option to replay to an email in an instant message way
[08:41] <howlymowly> *reply
[08:41] <pcallday> is it time for 4nd i5?
[08:42] <bluechaos> hello
[08:42] <nydel> hello there
[08:42] <bluechaos> I have a problem , I've try to install xampp on ubuntu 12.04
[08:42] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:43] <Ben64> kk5: stop. its not on topic here
[08:43] <nydel> bluechaos: please go on
[08:43] <DJones> kk5: Thats not an ubuntu support issue, you'll need to find another channel to ask that in
[08:43] <bluechaos> and I got some error '
[08:43] <auronandace> !xampp | bluechaos
[08:43] <howlymowly> Ben64: for exmaple you could have  "chat" as defualt subject and did not have to go through the hassle of reply -> text -> send everytime you send a colleague a one liner ...
[08:43] <Kartagis> also, network-manager says no active connections found when I click 'connection information', and network connections from system tools > preferences lists my connections.
[08:43] <Ben64> howlymowly: don't know of anything like that, sorry
[08:44] <metalspring> anyone have any idea what time ubuntu 13.10 will be released?
[08:44] <bluechaos> I have installed on my system apach5/phpmyadmin/mysql
[08:44] <Kartagis> metalspring: sometime today
[08:45] <bluechaos> work fine all but I don`t successed with xampp ...I give chmod +x on xampp.run and i've try to install it after one tutorial
[08:45] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:45] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:45] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:45] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:45] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:45] <kk5> how to buy satellite Internet  dish or dish Internet
[08:45] <FloodBot1> kk5: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:46] <metalspring> yeah, i know today but do they have any specific time they release it or just whenever?
[08:46] <Ben64> nobody knows
[08:46] <Kartagis> I guess 17:00 UTC
[08:46] <Kartagis> I guess 17:00 UTC+3
[08:46] <Kartagis> I have been told so
[08:46] <Ben64> sometime within the next 22 hours
[08:46] <Kartagis> lol
[08:47] <MrQuist> lol kk5 what the hell
[08:47] <Kartagis> Ben64: US timezone? because it's 11:48 here
[08:48] <MrQuist> 10:48 up in here
[08:48] <MrQuist> kartagis u in greece?
[08:48] <Kartagis> MrQuist: Turkey
[08:48] <fishcooker> how to do release upgrade non interactively.. im from 10.04 LTS server upgrade to 12.04 LTS
[08:48] <MrQuist> ah
[08:48] <MrQuist> kartagis sounds kinda greece
[08:49] <MrQuist> "<kk5> what the hell you want" funny guy
[08:49] <bluechaos> auronandace,
[08:49] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade
[08:49] <Ben64> fishcooker: theres not a whole lot of interaction needed
[08:53] <howlymowly> Ben64: but thanks anyway :)
[08:56] <wildon> lot
[08:56] <auronandace> bluechaos: xampp installs are not supported on ubuntu
[08:58] <kk5> gta 5
[08:59] <MrQuist> oh yeah exactly kk5
[08:59] <DJones> kk5: Do you have an actual Ubuntu support question
[08:59] <ronin> is it possible to put two times <VirtualHost *:80> in the same configuration file
[08:59] <hitsujiTMO> ronin yes
[08:59] <MrQuist> ronin, yeah why?
[09:00] <ronin> I would like to have two different names like host.mydomain.com and host2.mydomain.com and both in port 80 :)
[09:00] <ronin> in the same server, different path
[09:01] <MrQuist> ronin, you can simply use another virtualhost with a different servername and a different directory
[09:01] <hitsujiTMO> ronin, normally you'd have 2 separate files storing each vhost config for logical reasons
[09:01] <MrQuist> host2.domain.com.conf in sites-available
[09:01] <MrQuist> symlink to that one in sites-enabled
[09:01] <MrQuist> and so on
[09:02] <MrQuist> ronin, check http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/examples.html
[09:02] <andry> (same of nginx btw)
[09:02] <andry> for*
[09:03] <kk5> what is click bank
[09:03] <kk5> what is click bank
[09:03] <hitsujiTMO> /ignore kk5
[09:03] <MrQuist> kk5 get out of here dude
[09:03] <fishcooker> many configuration files need my confirmation Ben64
[09:04] <andry> anyone knows how to get the current buffer used by xserver?
[09:05] <andry> like if it is triple buffering
[09:05] <fishcooker> i want to give the do release yes answer during upgrading to 12.04 LTS
[09:05] <hitsujiTMO> andry: try #xorg
[09:05] <fishcooker> is there option like assume yes like apt-get install Ben64
[09:05] <andry> thanks hitsujiTMO, overread it in the x log
[09:05] <andry> it was in there
[09:06] <Ben64> fishcooker: you really should be there to decide
[09:06] <Ben64> upgrading is once every two years, you can take a few minutes out to make sure it goes smoothly
[09:08] <universal> !13.10
[09:09] <universal> today is 17th Oct. 2013, why is it not available for download on ubuntu.com ?
[09:09] <universal> Ubuntu 13.10
[09:09] <DJones> universal: Because there isn't a set release time, normally I wouldn't expect it for another 2-7 hours
[09:10] <wilee-nilee> universal, the 17th occurs at different times in the world, think about it.
[09:10] <universal> yes, I was thinking about that only....differet time zones
[09:10] <Poorsoft> utnubu
[09:11] <universal> but it should be available in next 24 hours ? wilee-nilee DJones
[09:11] <hitsujiTMO> universal: its more than likely to be release somewhere between 12:00 bst and 12:00 cdt
[09:12] <moppy> 19th? slipped 2 days then. ok. anyone know why?
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> universal: you can install the daily, then upgrade seamlessly to the rc
[09:12] <universal> hitsujiTMO: British Standard Time or Canadian Standard Time ?
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> universal: so technically its been available for a while
[09:12] <wilee-nilee> moppy, reread that notice.
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> every time someone asks.. it gets delayed another hour. ;)
[09:12] <pcallday> less than 2 hour left
[09:12] <universal> haha
[09:13] <fishcooker> are you OK Dr_Willis? :-D
[09:13] <universal> I hope servers dont slow down :)
[09:13] <moppy> i think the notice has a typo then. it says 19th at the start,and 17th at the end
[09:13] <moppy> oh derp i am silly, sorry
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> servers are typically so bogged down its a snails pace to install stuff. but the torrents will be blazeingly fast
[09:14] <pcallday> 02h45m left
[09:14] <moppy> "the 19th release" not "19th day". haha. sorry
[09:14] <wilee-nilee> moppy, (Saucy Salamander) will be the 19th "release"
[09:14] <fishcooker> i guess so Ben64 thanks for the info
[09:14] <hitsujiTMO> i hope the cd mirrors will be up to date :P
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> then we will get people commingin who dont even know theres been a new release.. just hat the servers are all slow
[09:14] <universal> Dr_Willis: I'll vote for torrent then
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> definatly always use torrents to get the ISO's
[09:15] <moppy> yea that does suprise me how there doesnt appear to be a torrent option for updates (i know the ISO have)
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> there is an apt-torrent thing. but i dont know how many people use it
[09:15] <moppy> is there some security reason apt-get update can't pull from torrent?
[09:15] <erik_EE> can someone point me to the release party channel again?
[09:15] <universal> Dr_Willis: throw some more light
[09:15] <moppy> Dr_Willis:  ooh thanks, i'll research that
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> universal:  search the repos. I dont use it. ;)
[09:16] <fishcooker> i think people should switch common download style to torrenting file
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> i just recall seeing it in them
[09:16] <erik_EE> what i mean is what's the ubuntu release party channel?
[09:16] <somsip> !party | erik_EE
[09:16] <universal> !apt-torrent
[09:16] <pcallday> !party
[09:17] <erik_EE> ty
[09:17] <moppy> https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> apt-transport-debtorrent - an APT transport for communicating with DebTorrent
[09:17] <moppy> that seems to be apt-torrent
[09:17] <nirvana> im on my way to install 12.04 as the only OS on my laptop..is it a good idea? and i will setup WINE aswell in case i need Office..but my problem is on printing/scanning..will there be any trouble?
[09:17] <universal> ActionParsnip: many ppl say that daily builds are not properly optimized
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> debtorrent - bittorrent proxy for downloading Debian packages
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> universal:  once you update/upgrade in the next day or so. it should be identical to final
[09:18] <universal> kk
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> universal:  thats almost how i always install new releases.. install them the day befor. update. then wait for the servers to get calm a few days later
[09:19] <moppy> seems to be problems with it, not in use? looks like genuine technical issues too and obviouslu a low priority for developer time
[09:19] <wilee-nilee> nirvana, 12.04 has 5 years support fine idea, and it is libreoffice stock.
[09:19] <moppy> nirvana: check printer and scanner compatbility first
[09:19] <SuperDuperGuest> I get the feeling I just missed the answer to the question when 13.10 will finally release!? ;)
[09:19] <universal> Dr_Willis: but that will leave data of old release on the updated/upgraded system
[09:20] <moppy> nirvana: lIbre reads *most* office files and as you say you have wine/msoffice for the remainder. so hardware compat with printer/scanner, and also might have trouble with native PDFs
[09:20] <nirvana> wilee-nilee: moppy : HP inkjet 2515
[09:20] <nirvana> is it supported?
[09:20] <universal> !debtorrent
[09:20] <Gari> ciao
[09:20] <Gari> !list
[09:21] <Svetlana> are ppas reviewed for viruses? eg I am looking at ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8, no idea how safe that is to install, doesn't look official
[09:21] <pcallday> the term 'warez' is too old. dont use it
[09:22] <pcallday> it's ages old
[09:22] <wilee-nilee> nirvana, probably look on the net.
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> Svetlana:  ive cant recall ever seeing a linux 'virus' in .. well.. ever. ;) a ppa COULD potentially do bad things.
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> Svetlana:  webupd8 is a very well known blog site.
[09:23] <nirvana> wilee-nilee: ok, but hey where should i put the bootloader on? im installing ubuntu on /dev/sda2 , but apparently there are /dev/sda1 (i guess this is my old windows)
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> Svetlana: officially they are not as trustworthy as the official packages
[09:23] <nirvana> or /dev/sda ?
[09:23] <wilee-nilee> nirvana, grub would go to sda the mbr not a partition.
[09:24] <moppy> if you get done by webupdate, you'll be the first one, let's just say that :-)
[09:24] <nirvana> wilee-nilee: so i set it default /dev/sda
[09:24] <antithesis> Hello
[09:24] <wilee-nilee> nirvana, I assume this a msdos partition table and no boot partition, then sda yes.
[09:24] <antithesis> How can I log out of an X11 session from the command line?
[09:25] <SuperDuperGuest> So, does someone know, when I can download 13.10 final?
[09:25] <wilee-nilee> antithesis, use a tty.
[09:26] <antithesis> wilee-nilee I want to return to my display manager's login prompt
[09:26] <mjayk> SuperDuperGuest: Ubuntu webby site
[09:27] <DJones> SuperDuperGuest: Nope, check back in a couple of hours, you can join #ubuntu-release-party if you want to discuss.chat about it though
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> antithesis:  one way  'sudo service lightdm restart'
[09:29] <wildon__> Requires installation of untrusted packages
[09:30] <wildon__> The action would require the installation of packages from not authenticated sources.
[09:30] <wildon__> this this the error i get
[09:30] <kk5> kk
[09:30] <MrQuist> get out kk5
[09:30] <wilee-nilee> wildon__, Get the keys for the repos you have added.
[09:31] <antithesis> Dr_Willis the thing is, I've set my system to automatically log me in, and this DE doesn't know how to log me out
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/85641/how-do-i-deal-with-unauthenticated-sources-errors-in-the-software-center
[09:31] <antithesis> So if I restart the whole service, it'll just do auto-login again
[09:31] <antithesis> Without allowing me to choose a session
[09:31] <wilee-nilee> antithesis, turn off the autologin
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> antithesis:  edit your .dmrc  or disable the auto login
[09:31] <antithesis> No, I want auto-login
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> antithesis:  so REENABLE  it later
[09:32] <wilee-nilee> then turn it back on  geez it's not rocket science
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> rocket surgery ;)
[09:32] <antithesis> "Geez, just use a workaround because nobody knows how to do it properly"
[09:32] <antithesis> A-grade support
[09:32] <antithesis> Thanks guys
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> this is how you do it properly
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> antithesis: if you log off, you will be able to choose session
[09:32]  * wilee-nilee never liked baby sitting
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> edit your .dmrc as needed. or log out.
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> antithesis: you can run:  killall -u $USER    and you will logout
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> actually i recall a delay with lightdm befor auto-logging in
[09:33] <DavidVilla> hi
[09:33] <ActionParsnip> antithesis: is that what you were instructed earlier?
[09:34] <antithesis> Thanks ActionParsnip, that did the trick
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> antithesis: so 'A-grade support' yeah?
[09:35] <antithesis> A+-grade!
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> antithesis: so why the sarcasm earlier...?
[09:35] <ObrienDave> another happy customer ;)
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> autologin-user-timeout=10
[09:36] <weiyang> fsck encounter "/dev/mapper/mpatha5 is mounted"
[09:36] <kk5> how hack idea 3g for unlimited Internet
[09:36] <weiyang> then it abort
[09:36] <kk5> how hack idea 3g for unlimited Internet
[09:36] <MrQuist> kk5 get the fuck out ude
[09:36] <antithesis> ActionParsnip because they gave a workaround and pretended that's the proper way
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> weiyang: you shouldnt fsck mounted filesystes
[09:36] <ikonia> MrQuist: that language and attitude is not acceptable
[09:36] <weiyang> ActionParsnip, I need to unmount it?
[09:36] <MrQuist> im sorry this dude is bugging me the whole time
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> antithesis: killing all user processes is far from graceful
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> weiyang: yes
[09:36] <ikonia> MrQuist: right, so you ask him to stop clearly and politly
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[09:36] <FloodBot1> MrQuist: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:37] <antithesis> Graceful is not my style :)
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> restarting the lightdm server seems more gracefull to me
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> adding a 10 sec auto login seems even more pratical
[09:37] <antithesis> ActionParsnip Isn't that what, say, Unity does when you click logout?
[09:37] <antithesis> Or GNOME or XFCE, for that matter
[09:37] <weiyang> ActionParsnip, hmm, so fsck can't fix the problem on the partition of its own?
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> weiyang:  fsck can be set to auto fsck a partion on the next bootup
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> weiyang:  or use it from a live cd
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> weiyang: no as the data wil change and cause false positives
[09:38] <weiyang> ActionParsnip, Dr_Willis  thanks
[09:38] <ActionParsnip> weiyang: do it from liveCD where the file system will be unmounted
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> !fsck
[09:38] <Dr_Willis> im not sure if that touch  /forcefsck still works   - not tried it in ages
[09:38] <ikonia> should do
[09:39] <client1_> Hello every one
[09:40] <client1_> how to compare two text file and print output on console
[09:40] <ikonia> diff
[09:41] <cfhowlett> !diff
[09:41] <nirvana> there are one partition that is not detectable (it is unknown area but actually it is nfts) on the installer GUI, how can i fix this
[09:45] <nirvana> there are one partition that is not detectable (it is unknown area but actually it is nfts) on the installer GUI, how can i fix this
[09:46] <jlebrech> when I have multiple windows for an app and want to switch it zooms them out but it reorders them :( and doesn't keep their relative positions to one another. how can i changes that?
[09:49] <robotex> hello
[09:49] <cfhowlett> robotex, greetings
[09:49] <robotex> When 13.10 will be released?
[09:49] <cfhowlett> !saucy|robotex, this month
[09:49] <ObrienDave> in a few hours or so
[09:49]  * cfhowlett ... it begins.  
[09:49] <cfhowlett> !isitout
[09:50] <robotex> did they say time?
[09:50] <robotex> it will be at evening?
[09:51] <cfhowlett> robotex, relax.  wait.  chill out.  it'll be ready when it's ready.
[09:51] <loa> how i can make macros for my mouse?
[09:51] <loa> i want it for a game
[09:53] <robotex> cfhowlett, I broke my system yesterday :( So, I need this release to reinstall it
[09:53] <robotex> I hope it will be available at evening
[09:53] <pcallday> 2 hours left
[09:53] <ObrienDave> robotex... get the beta2 release
[09:53] <robotex> pcallday, thanks
[09:54] <pcallday> windows 8.1 got out
[09:54] <ObrienDave> woo hoo
[09:54] <pcallday> M$ 8.1!
[09:54] <cfhowlett> !ot|pcallday,
[09:54] <Pc> hi
[09:54] <pcallday> HI
[09:54] <cfhowlett> Pc, greetings
[09:55] <pcallday> hellow Pc
[09:55] <pcallday> I'm ubuntu
[09:55] <Pc> how are u ?
[09:55] <pcallday> I'm Mac :(
[09:56] <omigasun> Can I ask a question about kubuntu here?
[09:56] <pcallday> too expensive
[09:56] <cfhowlett> omigasun, yes
[09:56] <cfhowlett> !kubuntu
[09:57] <tramadol37mg> Hi everyone !
[09:57] <omigasun> I can't connect to the internet via my USB modem in kubuntu, but it works flawlessly on another distribution, how to solve it?
[09:57] <tramadol37mg> jlebrech : You can't swich one window to another, can't you ?
[09:58] <Pc> hi
[09:58] <cfhowlett> !modem
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> omigasun: run:  lsusb    use the 8 character hex id to find guides
[09:59] <xtriz> which is the good online bookmark manager ?
[09:59] <kk5> kk5
[10:00] <cfhowlett> xtriz, I like xmarks
[10:00] <dagle> Is it bannable to repeatably ask when 13.10 is ready?
[10:00] <jlebrech> tramadol37mg: when I try and switch windows of an app it zooms them out, but in any order. i'd rather the left and right be the left an right of unzoomed
[10:01] <cfhowlett> dagle it should be bannable
[10:01] <xtriz> cfhowlett, checking that out.
[10:02] <omigasun> ok , but on my kubuntu, the modem was detected, and I'm Pretty SURE I had configured the apn, username, password, etc, correctly, but when i try to connect, some authorization window popping up,
[10:03] <omigasun> but still I can't manage to connect to the internet, I wonder what is the problem
[10:03] <dagle> What modem is it?
[10:03] <omigasun> usb modem huawei e173
[10:04] <omigasun> it works flawlessly on ubuntu (autodetect)
[10:05] <ObrienDave> dagle... yes, you'll irritate the OT gods ;)
[10:06] <dagle> ObrienDave: You mean: It will make them work faster! ;)
[10:06] <ObrienDave> oh no, they'll work slower just to irritate you ;)
[10:06] <usuario> gogo
[10:06] <cfhowlett> dagle,  nope.  beside, the irc mods are generally NOT developers.  think about it.
[10:07] <xtriz> cfhowlett, that's nice thing :)
[10:07] <cfhowlett> xtriz, the xmarks, she is sweet
[10:08] <xtriz> cfhowlett, :P
[10:08] <xtriz> yeah she is really sweet :D
[10:09] <pcallday> !isitout
[10:10] <dagle> Still, the "planned" (or what ever to call it) release date is today. :P
[10:10] <omigasun> scheduked
[10:10] <omigasun> sceduled
[10:10] <universal> admins should set an auto answer msg for release queries regarding 13.10 and saucy
[10:10] <ObrienDave> what omigasun said LOL
[10:10] <omigasun> damn typo
[10:11] <pcallday> today!?
[10:11] <omigasun> :p
[10:11] <pcallday> :p
[10:11] <`Dooku> Do you guys know a very good IRC shell hosting company?
[10:12] <ikonia> this is nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:12] <ikonia> try one of the social channels on the network
[10:12] <`Dooku> Well actually I have installed Ubuntu and I'm tring to install first a psyBNC but it doesn't work as it shows in the tutorial
[10:13] <jordisayol> are these images the release ones? http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/
[10:13] <ikonia> `Dooku: sure but asking for shell providers is nothing to do with ubuntu
[10:13] <ikonia> jordisayol: no, when it is announced as "released" you can be confident that you will get the right URL to the right images
[10:13] <DJones> jordisayol: No, they say "Beta" in the name
[10:14] <cfhowlett> jordisayol, please see "beta" ... definition
[10:14] <jordisayol> DJones: no, there are both, with beta on its name and without
[10:14] <ObrienDave> Below the beta are the RELEASE images. YAY!
[10:14] <ikonia> jordisayol: wait for the release announcment to be confident the right images are up
[10:15] <ikonia> ObrienDave: no no no no nono
[10:15] <dagle> `Dooku: Why psyBNC? I find znc much better and it should be easier to install.
[10:15] <MrQuist> i'm having ubuntu style issues again
[10:15] <MrQuist> i changed my background, and now when i lock my computer, i have to log in twice
[10:15] <MrQuist> lock screen -> login -> see desktop briefly -> lock screen -> login -> work
[10:16] <`Dooku> dagle I don't know, I'm kind of old fashion... :) First I want to know how everyhting worked before, since all I had was the details of the psyBNC and the providers were doing the setup for me
[10:16] <ObrienDave> funny, they have TODAYs date on them
[10:16] <`Dooku> dagle now I want to see how they use to it... :) after I will learn that I will jump perhaps on ZNC
[10:16] <ikonia> ObrienDave: nothing funny about it,
[10:17] <js-mks> external hdd is not detect ?
[10:22] <MonkeyDust> !isitouyet
[10:22] <MonkeyDust> !isitoutyet
[10:22] <MoL0ToV> exist a simple way to see silverlight contenent on ubuntu?
[10:22] <DJ_Unibob> mode +j ?  I can't remember the last time I saw that mode set.  :p
[10:22] <cfhowlett> !mono
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> MoL0ToV: i saw a guide on omgubuntu
[10:23] <kostkon> MoL0ToV: pipelight. see on webupd8.org
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> MoL0ToV: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/pipelight-using-silverlight-in-linux-browsers.html
[10:24] <DJ_Unibob> Out of curiousity, how large are the upgrades typically?
[10:24] <js-mks> not dectecting seagate extrnl hdd pls help me ???????
[10:24] <ikonia> DJ_Unibob: if your system contains 700mb of packages, then you're looking around 700mb of upgrades, it's normally comparible roughly to your current system
[10:26] <DJ_Unibob> seems logical.  Thanks Ikonia.  I anticipate heavy server load once the release is...released.  I only have 864 kbps (minus overhead) down, so it will take some time.
[10:26] <ikonia> DJ_Unibob: I strongly advise you not to upgrade on release day, but it is up to you
[10:26] <cfhowlett> DJ_Unibob, torrent.  seriously.  it works.
[10:26] <pip__> can anyone tell me how gnome shell functions with an AMD GPU in saucy?
[10:27] <pip__> it's unleasant in raring :(
[10:27] <ikonia> pip__: #ubuntu+1 for 13.10 discussion
[10:27] <pip__> nuts, got it wrong again - sorry
[10:29] <tramadol37mg> jlebrech : Okay, you to drag and drop the windows in the order you want as you are seeing them when they are unzoomed, right ?
[10:30] <tramadol37mg> sorry . I meant "you want to".
[10:30] <DJ_Unibob> I didn't actually anticipate upgrading on day 0, I rarely ever grab anything, be it an O/S, a game, etc.  I prefer to give things time for bugs to be discovered and fixed beforehand.  :)
[10:31] <jlebrech> tramadol37mg: nah you can't move them, clicking on one focuses it
[10:32] <DJ_Unibob> That and i had an issue with an upgrade a few years ago, I think it was either 8 or 9, when I had a dual boot, like I do now, when the grub loader got corrupted after the upgrade.
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> DJ_Unibob: there are usually a few bugs even a week or so after release
[10:35] <DJ_Unibob> That's true.  That's actually why I often go with the LTS versions.  12.04 didn't want to install on this machine though, menu kept hanging on the partitioning portion of the setup.
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> DJ_Unibob: Lubuntu 14.04 is LTS too :)
[10:37] <pcallday> 13.10 will be the best for now
[10:38] <pcallday> 12.04 is too old
[10:38] <ikonia> no it is not
[10:38] <ikonia> it is stable and maintained
[10:39] <MonkeyDust> pcallday  moreover, 12.04 is LTS
[10:39] <faugusztin> pcallday: there is no such thing as "best" :)
[10:39] <loa> hpw i can make macros under ubuntu?
[10:39] <loa> keyboard macros
[10:39] <loa> i tried to use autokey but it don't work
[10:39] <DJ_Unibob> I've been  a long time KDE user, but I'm actually liking Unity.
[10:40] <natool> hi, is ubuntu 13.10 going to be released today ? i still see 13.04 on the official website..
[10:40] <loa> what meeen <super> what is it?
[10:41] <ikonia> natool: that's the target
[10:41] <ANN-Tech> OMG ! People. If you need 13.10 now - you can get an ISO
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[10:41] <loa> what it meen?
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> pcallday: 12.04 will be supported fully, long after 13.10 is ead
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> *dead
[10:41] <tanuj_123> whatsup
[10:41] <saurabh_> users
[10:43] <natool_> ANN-Tech: you mean the daily build ?
[10:44] <ObrienDave> nope, the real deal http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/
[10:44] <ikonia> ObrienDave: what part of "no" am I not making clear to you
[10:44] <ikonia> ObrienDave: wait until the official release and stop giving out unvalidated information
[10:44] <ikonia> ObrienDave: I will not ask you again.
[10:44] <pcallday> 	ActionParsnip: I like new version better
[10:44] <pcallday> more
[10:45] <faugusztin> loa: super key is the one with the logo, usually a windows logo
[10:45] <vigevirtz> What's new in the 13.10 if Mir isn't in it?
[10:45] <ikonia> vigevirtz: it's basicallly just a version upgrade/bump
[10:45] <vigevirtz> Faster and more stable?
[10:45] <ikonia> vigevirtz: I wouldn't say that,
[10:45] <pcallday> You don't need to update spending too much time
[10:46] <pcallday> to update
[10:47] <ANN-Tech> ObrienDave - the link now has nly Final Release of 13.10
[10:47] <ANN-Tech> Filena-Beta links are tnot there anymore
[10:48] <ANN-Tech> So yeah, it has todays date. Cool
[10:48] <ikonia> guys, I will make this clear do not offer unvalidated information about the release status of 13.10 -
[10:48] <ikonia> wait until the official release announcment.
[10:48] <ObrienDave> ANN-Tech... SHHHH you'll make someone mad here. our little secret ok?
[10:48] <ikonia> ObrienDave: I'm not joking, a date stamp does not mean a sane image
[10:48] <ikonia> stop it now.
[10:49] <ANN-Tech> ikonia, can you point whre did I say that it is THE FINAL release of 13.10 ?
[10:49] <ANN-Tech> All we say is that we found todays ISO that's it
[10:49] <ikonia> ANN-Tech: I am just making it clear to you and others in advance of any more discussion
[10:49] <ANN-Tech> Your funny. Very funny ^)
[10:50] <ikonia> ANN-Tech: take it how you want, but I've made it clear.
[10:50] <vigevirtz> So does anyone know what happened to the medibuntu repositories? I haven't been able to connect to days.
[10:50] <ikonia> vigevirtz: they have been dead for a long time, check the home page
[10:50] <ObrienDave> medibuntu is no more
[10:50] <auronandace> ANN-Tech: please exercise patience and wait until the official release
[10:50] <vigevirtz> a'ight
[10:51] <ANN-Tech> auronandace - to late. I already have it :) lol
[10:51] <vigevirtz> oh, that's incredibly lame. so what is anyone supposed to do for dvd codecs and the like?
[10:51] <ANN-Tech> Bill Gates sent me Final 13.10 Release last week ! Told me it is good.
[10:51] <ikonia> vigevirtz: read the announcement, and read http://help.ubuntu.com
[10:52] <thej_> hi
[10:53] <natool_> ANN-Tech why not calm down?!
[10:53] <ExtremeDevilz> hello guys is there anyway to get 13.10
[10:53] <ExtremeDevilz> and when the official is out it automatically updates to the official version
[10:53] <tramadol37mg> jlebrech : Indeed. That's why I don't understand your request.
[10:55] <saurabh_> hello
[10:55] <what_up> there's a directory on an SD card i want to access, but at some point nautilus seems to think that directory became a broken link. every time i unmount/remount the sd card, nautilus shows that the parent directory of the last directory to become a link is now a broken link. what is going on?!
[10:56] <what_up> example: the directory was /media/sdcard/a/b/c . suddenly, c became a broken link. unmount and remount it, now b is a broken link. unmount and remount, now a is a broken link.
[10:56] <vigevirtz> you can try deleting it through the terminal
[10:56] <jlebrech> tramadol37mg: they should keep their relative positions (it's a text editor and I have to figure out which one's which)
[10:56] <vigevirtz> go to terminal: type sudo nautilus
[10:56] <vigevirtz> then delete it
[10:56] <what_up> vigevirtz: who are you talking to?
[10:56] <Paulus68_1> !13.10 |ExtremeDevilz
[10:57] <vigevirtz> the what_up guy
[10:57] <vigevirtz> oh, you.
[10:57] <what_up> vigevirtz: i want to access the files :\
[10:57] <vigevirtz> ohh
[10:57] <vigevirtz> then go to terminal: type sudo nautilus
[10:57] <vigevirtz> then see what that does for you
[10:58] <ExtremeDevilz> I mean get 13.10
[10:58] <ExtremeDevilz> it is 17/10 over here
[10:58] <ExtremeDevilz> o.O
[10:58] <what_up> vigevirtz: interestingly, it shows up correctly for root. now how do i get it to also show up correctly to the user?
[10:58] <vigevirtz> try changing the permission
[10:58] <vigevirtz> s
[10:58] <erik_EE> It's 18.10 in 1 minute here :)
[10:59] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:59] <MonkeyDust> erik_EE  which meanqs you're in australia or ,ew zealand...
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> new*
[11:00] <DJ_Unibob> Today's the 17th?  It's going to be a long day for me.  :/
[11:00] <erik_EE> NZ MonkeyDust
[11:00] <ExtremeDevilz> yeah it is 17/10
[11:00] <ExtremeDevilz> and no Ubuntu 13.10
[11:00] <ExtremeDevilz> >:(
[11:00] <erik_EE> And now it's 18 october for me :)
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: you can install the beta the upgrade seamlessly t the rc, so it IS available
[11:01] <ExtremeDevilz> well is there anyway to get the beta then?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: yes
[11:01] <ExtremeDevilz> link 64 bit ?
[11:01] <dsalfran> hello all, I'm having some trouble with the wifi, I have a Ralink and I'm using the compiled driver rt2860 instead of the default rt2800pci, the wifi works fine, but I'm getting non-stop these two lines on the syslog:
[11:01] <dsalfran> DRS: unkown mode,default use 11N 1S AP
[11:01] <dsalfran> DRS: unkown mode (SupRateLen=6, ExtRateLen=0, MCSSet[0]=0xfc, MCSSet[1]=0xff)
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: go find it, its not hard
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: nice lack of the wor 'please' too....
[11:01] <ExtremeDevilz> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[11:02] <malinus> I'm planning to install ubuntu on my media center. Should I install ubuntu server or normal ubuntu? I can't really find the differences
[11:02] <ExtremeDevilz> saucy-desktop-amd64.iso     ?
[11:02] <vigevirtz> i'd go with normal ubuntu
[11:02] <ihre> malinus: would you need a GUI?
[11:02] <dsalfran> I forgot to say I'm on 12.04
[11:02] <faugusztin> malinus: will you run desktop stuff ?
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: yes, if you want the 64bit desktop one
[11:02]  * ExtremeDevilz needs a 64 bit
[11:02] <faugusztin> malinus: like XBMC for example
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: why do you need 64bit?
[11:03] <malinus> faugusztin, yes I would like a desktop. and xbmc etc.
[11:03] <malinus> I want X
[11:04] <Oli> malinus: I used to use Server+NoDM+XBMC in a very custom setup... But recently I downloaded the XBMCbuntu live installer and that's really very decent.
[11:04] <faugusztin> malinus: then grab desktop version
[11:04] <ExtremeDevilz> android ?
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> ExtremeDevilz: i'm guessing UEFI
[11:04] <ExtremeDevilz> Android ROM Building.
[11:05] <Oli> malinus: Here's my custom setup: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37735/how-to-install-one-gui-program-on-ubuntu-server/37748#37748
[11:05] <Oli> It was good (faster to boot than XBMCbuntu) but it was harder to set up.
[11:06] <dsalfran> sorry to interrupt you guys, could someone point me where to get help to connect a S3 Galaxy Mini in ub 12.04 64bits?
[11:06] <malinus> Oh I have another question. I don't have any screen on my media center, I just use the hdmi to my tv. Will that show up under ubuntu installation?
[11:07] <Oli> malinus: yes, that's a monitor to Ubuntu
[11:07] <malinus> Oli, but I can't even access bios, because then it isn't a monitor...
[11:07] <malinus> So I can't make it boot from usb.
[11:08] <BluesKaj> malinus. i use our tv as a monitor with hdmi , it should work
[11:08] <Oli> malinus: That's very irregular then. Every computer I've used can boot to HDMI just fine.
[11:08] <malinus> it can?
[11:08] <vigevirtz> malinus: perhaps your bios are hidden
[11:08] <lesshaste> what's a good way to view a powerpoint presentation that libreoffice does not seem to render correctly?
[11:08] <Oli> *Every computer with HDMI that I've used... Obviously my 386 would have struggled.
[11:09] <Oli> lesshaste: "print" to PDF from MS Office
[11:09] <lesshaste> Oli, thanks but I only have linux here
[11:10] <Oli> lesshaste: Can Google Docs import it without crapping upt he formatting?
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> Oli: try it ;)
[11:11] <lesshaste> Oli, interesting question
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: free to try
[11:12] <lesshaste> :)
[11:13] <loney> ciao
[11:13] <loney> list
[11:16] <memyself> how to mount .mds file in ubuntu 12.04
[11:16] <lesshaste> why did no one suggest pptview?
[11:16] <memyself> plz help
[11:16] <lesshaste> it's even in the repo
[11:17] <vigevirtz> memyself: convert to iso with mdf2iso
[11:17] <memyself> where do i install mdf2iso
[11:17] <JoshStrobl> How's it going popey?
[11:17] <memyself> is it there in software centre
[11:17] <vigevirtz> you can get it in the ubuntu software center
[11:18] <vigevirtz> or through the terminal
[11:18] <memyself> ok
[11:18] <dsalfran> memyself go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManageDiscImages
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> !info mdf2iso
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> memyself: where do you install nearly ANY software in Ubuntu from?
[11:19] <memyself> it says converting mdf file....but i m talking about mds file
[11:19] <popey> JoshStrobl: hey, #ubuntu-release-part is where the chat is at
[11:20] <memyself> am i confusing
[11:20] <memyself> or r they the same thing
[11:20] <vigevirtz> did your mds file come with and mdf file?
[11:20] <JoshStrobl> @popey: awesome man :D
[11:20] <vigevirtz> because they are usually found together
[11:20] <memyself> yes it diid
[11:20] <vigevirtz> yeah so mdf is what you want
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> memyself: how did you make the file?
[11:21] <memyself> ok....but the place whre i downloaded the thing says that i need to mount mds file
[11:21] <vigevirtz> i would just convert it to a .iso file
[11:21] <vigevirtz> makes your life many times easier
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> memyself: worth a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDF_and_MDS_file_pair
[11:22] <memyself> ok vigevirtz
[11:22] <memyself> will let u know the result in a moment
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> memyself: can you mount it in terminal?
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> memyself: http://sathyasays.com/2007/12/15/mounting-iso-and-mdsmdf-files-in-linux/
[11:23] <memyself> how do i plz let me know ActionPar
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> memyself: weird how i'm finding these links....
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> its almost like I can search known web pages for certain content, and get results based on those searches..
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> i seem to recall the fuseiso or isofuse 9660 or somthing like that fuse tools. could also access mdf files
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> FuseISO is a FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images (.iso, .nrg, .bin, .mdf and .img files). It currently support plain ISO9660 Level 1 and 2, Rock Ridge, Joliet, and zisofs.
[11:28] <Asad> Is there a way to skip upgrades? I don't wanna wait for next LTS nor do I want to install 3 upgrades. Going from 12.04 LTS to 13.10 will be a pain (12.10, 13.04, 13.10)
[11:28] <Gorilla_No_Baka> Oi, i thought ubuntu 13.10 was due to be released today
[11:28] <alevai> hi
[11:28] <vigevirtz> Asad: yes
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> Asad:  you go LTS to LTS. or each step in btweeen. no skipping to the front of the line
[11:29] <vigevirtz> download the iso you want
[11:29] <vigevirtz> then load it up
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> or do a clean install. ;)
[11:29] <vigevirtz> there will be and option that says upgrade
[11:29] <vigevirtz> clean install is better
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> err.. Im not sure that you can skip releases with the iso files.
[11:29] <ikonia> you can't
[11:29] <Ben64> Asad: you can wait 2 months and upgrade to 14.04 alpha if you really really want to
[11:29] <vigevirtz> oh damn
[11:30] <Dr_Willis> Gorilla_No_Baka:  yes.. yes it is..
[11:30] <Asad> Ah right. Not worth it then. I guess I will have to wait for 14.04 then. Thanks.
[11:30] <Gorilla_No_Baka> Dr_Willis:  well, i just came from the ubuntu 's official web page and they still offer only 13.04
[11:31] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: 13.10 has not been released yet
[11:31] <Bjotn> Patience ;)
[11:31] <RoyalDogBiscuits> http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/turning-ubuntu-12-04-into-a-professional-low-jitter-os/
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> Gorilla_No_Baka:  so?
[11:31] <vigevirtz> why are they waiting so long to release it?
[11:31] <Asad> #ubuntu-release-party
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> vigevirtz:  they are not waiting so long.. its not even 8 am in the usa
[11:31] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ikonia:  i thought i saw somewhere written that it would be today
[11:31] <vigevirtz> yeah but ubuntu is based in the UK
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> Gorilla_No_Baka:  it is to be today.
[11:31] <Ben64> today barely started
[11:31] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: "today" is a 24 hour window spread out across around 36 hours to cover the timezones around the world.
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> we get this every release...
[11:32] <Gorilla_No_Baka> Ben64: it's1245 in UK mate..
[11:32] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: there will be an announcment when it's released,
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> it will be released when its anounced.
[11:32] <Ben64> its 1:32am in hawaii mate
[11:32] <Gorilla_No_Baka> lol
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> what time is it on  mars?
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[11:32] <vigevirtz> and it's 13:32 in Germany
[11:33] <Gorilla_No_Baka> so, i guess my question is : if i were to go to http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ will i get the beta image or the final release?
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> Gorilla_No_Baka:  beta
[11:34] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: you should not do that until the announcment of official release.
[11:34] <Gorilla_No_Baka> bollock
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> Gorilla_No_Baka:  and when it does get anounced.. you should use the torrents to get it.
[11:34] <Gorilla_No_Baka> s
[11:34] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: what ?
[11:34] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: tone down the language please.
[11:34] <ogra_> the release3 will get announced in #ubuntu-release-party first
[11:34] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ikonia: :) believe it or not the b word it's quite normal
[11:34] <ogra_> if you want to know when it is out, come over there
[11:34] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: it's uncalled for, and it's not polite.
[11:35] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: hence "please don't use it in here"
[11:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> i beg to differ, it's quite polite over here
[11:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> :)
[11:35] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: over where ?
[11:35] <Ben64> i have friends in the UK, and they say they wouldn't say it to their mothers, so its not allowable here
[11:35] <ogra_> (would be good if someone could put #ubuntu-release-party in the topic btw)
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> and here comes the boot...
[11:35] <BluesKaj> folks , look here for the official release ,https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[11:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> owwo.. who... Ben64  buddy you ain't my mother
[11:35] <Gorilla_No_Baka> :)
[11:36] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: enough now, please just tone down the language,
[11:36] <dmaroulidis> ubottu
[11:36] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ikonia: my language is quite toned down...
[11:36] <Gorilla_No_Baka> innit?
[11:37] <ikonia> Gorilla_No_Baka: ok great, so please don't use that sort of language any more, thank you.
[11:37] <Gorilla_No_Baka> :) you can't just let it go can you :)
[11:37] <grahamsavage> i've got a window where it's sticking above the top of the screen
[11:37] <grahamsavage> how can i drag it down
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  alt-click on it anywhere and drag
[11:37] <Gorilla_No_Baka> alt +F4
[11:37] <MonkeyDust> grahamsavage  F7, then drag
[11:37] <grahamsavage> both of them didn't work
[11:38] <vigevirtz> try alt
[11:38] <vigevirtz> then click and drag
[11:38] <grahamsavage> tired both
[11:38] <ogra_> ikonia, could you put a (temporary) hint to #ubuntu-release-party in the topic ?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  what window manager/desktop are you using?
[11:38] <grahamsavage> unity
[11:38] <xsi> Why I couldn't remove newlines from the file? http://lanother.tk/gd.txt
[11:38] <grahamsavage> ubuntu 12.04
[11:38] <ikonia> ogra_: sure, give me a few minutes.
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  try the alt-click to drag on other windows.. that should work in most any desktop
[11:38] <ogra_> thanks !
[11:38] <ogra_> :)
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  you are alt-click-Hold-the-button, then moveing?
[11:39] <grahamsavage> Dr_Willis: yep not working
[11:39] <grahamsavage> but works on all the other applications
[11:39] <grahamsavage> i might need to kill i guess
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> grahamsavage: you could run xkill and click the app (if its practical)
[11:40] <grahamsavage> i dragged the app to another workspace and it's still missing it's title bar
[11:40] <grahamsavage> so i'm guessing somethign has gone wrong
[11:40] <vigevirtz> log out and then back in
[11:42] <Gorilla_No_Baka> grahamsa
[11:42] <grahamsavage> yep?
[11:42] <grahamsavage> killing the app and reopening fixed the issue
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  what app is this anyway? only the one app is missing its title bar?
[11:42] <grahamsavage> and now alt is working
[11:43] <grahamsavage> Sublime Text 3
[11:43] <grahamsavage> yeah it was just one app
[11:43] <dsalfran> hello all, I'm having some trouble with the wifi, I have a Ralink and I'm using the compiled driver rt2860 instead of the default rt2800pci, the wifi works fine, but I'm getting non-stop these two lines on the syslog:
[11:43] <dsalfran> DRS: unkown mode,default use 11N 1S AP
[11:43] <dsalfran> DRS: unkown mode (SupRateLen=6, ExtRateLen=0, MCSSet[0]=0xfc, MCSSet[1]=0xff)
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  its amazeing the # of people i see in hwere with issues with sublime text..
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> grahamsavage:  ;)
[11:44] <ranjan> has Ubuntu 13.10 released?
[11:44] <Patabugen> !mdp
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> ranjan:  no.
[11:46] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ranjan: that will be tommorow  .. they're quite busy with the tea break now :)
[11:46] <ranjan> but this site shows 13.10 builds
[11:46] <ranjan> http://ubuntu.mirrors.tds.net/releases/saucy/
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> ranjan: when the MOTD in the channel changes, it's out
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> ranjan:  those are not final.. WHEN it happens you will hear about it
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> ranjan: there have been 13.10 'builds' for _months_
[11:47] <ranjan> any idea about ubuntu touch release?
[11:47] <MonkeyDust> !touch
[11:47] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ranjan:  2014
[11:47] <pbx> Dr_Willis - any app that's both complex and becoming popular is going to manifest that pattern i think
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> ranjan:  when its ready
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> pbx:  i dont plan on paying for a text editor. ;) did that decades ago... i still miss CygnusED in many ways. ;P
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> ranjan: install the daily ISO then you will upgrade to the RC, what's a day or so going to do if you don'ty get it immediately on release?
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> ranjan: you dont get a lesser version if you get it a day or so later you know....
[11:51] <Gorilla_No_Baka> hopefully the new 13.10 will fix the broadcom issues they have rtight now... man .. it's playing ridiculous... installed on a macbook pro ubuntu will see all the surounding networks but mine.. That in the conditions where i am seated half of meter away from the router
[11:52] <reisio> you mean 1.64′? :p
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> whats that in furlongs?
[11:52] <Atlantic777> Any realease party channels around? :)
[11:53] <Fodi69> join ubuntu.hu
[11:53] <ogra_> Atlantic777, #ubuntu-release-party
[11:53] <Gorilla_No_Baka> lol
[11:53] <Atlantic777> ogra_: tnx
[11:53] <ogra_> Atlantic777, bring friends :)
[11:53] <reisio> Dr_Willis: 0.00249
[11:53] <ogra_> (and beverage)
[11:54] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ogra_:  tel hom to bring some spliff as well, we're running out of it
[11:54] <ogra_> Gorilla_No_Baka, dude, please keep it falily friendly
[11:54] <ogra_> *family
[11:55] <Gorilla_No_Baka> ok, scrap that... tell him to pring some sandwiches
[11:55] <Gorilla_No_Baka> :)
[11:55] <reisio> macka
[11:56] <ogra_> Gorilla_No_Baka, better ;)
[11:57] <Guest26355> :)
[11:57]  * Gorilla_No_Baka waits for the 13.10 to see what new ways of NOT working ubuntu can come up with :)
[11:58] <ogra_> whats not working for you ?
[11:58] <Guest26355> what kernal is 3.10 have? its not 3.11.5 stable is it?
[11:58] <ogra_> and did you file bugs (before the release indeed)
[11:58] <DJones> Gorilla_No_Baka: Can you move any discussion about 13.10 to the party channel, or if its a specific support issue to #ubuntu+1
[11:58] <ogra_> Guest26355, i think it is
[11:58] <ogra_> (except for the phones )
[12:01] <dry[1]> hi. Is there any quick GUI file attributes changer for ubuntu, like this one? http://www.stapf-ferienwohnungen.de/plugins/advancedform/help/images/folder-permissions.png
[12:01] <Gorilla_No_Baka> lol
[12:01] <reisio> dry[1]: in most GUI FTP clients
[12:01] <Kralian> .. what are the chances of the OpenVPN package in ubuntu being upgraded from the deprecated 2.2.x to the recommended 2.3.x .. at some point ?
[12:01] <Kralian> is there anything I can do to help ?
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> dry[1]: use nautilus and you can do it like the local data on your system.
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> Kralian: if you report a bug it may make it happen sooner
[12:03] <dry[1]> reisio: but I'm thinking about quick one available from right mouse button.
[12:03] <Kralian> ActionParsnip: bugs cover request for just upgrading ?
[12:03]  * Gorilla_No_Baka waits for the 13.10 to see what new ways of NOT working ubuntu can come up with :)
[12:03] <reisio> Gorilla_No_Baka: space it out more :p
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> Kralian: if the bugs are significant, yes
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> Kralian: if not and the VPN works then it wont be upgraded sooner than more urgent bugs
[12:05] <dry[1]> ActionParsnip: I'm just looking for a quick one, or I
[12:05] <dry[1]> ActionParsnip: I'm just looking for a quick one, or I'll just write myself in python.
[12:06] <Kralian> ActionParsnip: ok.. I'll roll my own package :)
[12:06] <Kralian> ActionParsnip: it's just IPv6 that only works with 2.3 and not with 2.2
[12:06] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: what exactly are you trying to do?
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> dry[1]: how much quicker can using the application already installed in your OS get?
[12:06] <Kralian> ActionParsnip: hardly a bug ;)
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> Kralian: report it to let the guys know. If they see it as an issue it will be updated
[12:08] <`Dooku> Can someone help install a BNC on Ubuntu?
[12:08] <`Dooku> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/psyBNC I keep getting an error following these steps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/psyBNC
[12:09] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: I just need a right mouse click on a file to see this table with a 750 field. I can write it myself, but if anything like that already exists, than where it is? I don't want to open something separate like FTP clients to do it.
[12:09] <Kralian> ActionParsnip: wonder if I can find my launchpad login ;-)
[12:11] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: I'm having trouble understanding what you said
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> Kralian: you can always ask in #launchpad if you need help
[12:11] <MadTux> why isn't 13.10 out?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> MadTux: no, you can see thet in the channel topic
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> MadTux: read
[12:12] <cfhowlett> !topic|MadTux,
[12:12] <Kralian> ActionParsnip: apparently, my launchpad account has gone missing.. thanks for your help btw :)
[12:12] <MadTux> I thought this is Ubuntu in general
[12:12] <cfhowlett> MadTux, in general it is.
[12:13] <MadTux> where would I ask that question?
[12:13] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: no problem. I'll write it and I'll show you.
[12:13] <cfhowlett> !saucy|MadTux,   but as you're probably the 10 millionth person to ask, expect to get ignored.  it's out when it's out.  be patient
[12:14] <Kralian> MadTux: in my experience, it's usually out at the end of the month, rarely much earlier :)
[12:14] <MadTux> oh, thanks!
[12:14] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: if you like.  I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve
[12:14] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: what table?  What's a 750 field?
[12:16] <adeligen> Where's 13.10 talk taking place?
[12:16] <vesh_> Hi there, I checked reviews that ubuntu 13.10 final release been available today. Any idea where I can get the ISO from
[12:16] <ikonia> adeligen: #ubuntu+1 channel
[12:16] <ikonia> vesh_: it's not available yet
[12:16] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: OK, find 'Numeric value' (a.k.a. 750) field here: http://www.stapf-ferienwohnungen.de/plugins/advancedform/help/images/folder-permissions.png
[12:17] <vesh_> ikonia any idea when it will be available
[12:17] <mahdur> 13.10 released ?
[12:17] <ikonia> vesh_: some point today, there will be an announcment whrn it's released
[12:17] <ikonia> mahdur: no
[12:18] <vesh_> ikonia, ok so I should just get it via www.ubuntu.com once it becomes available.
[12:18] <ikonia> vesh_: correct
[12:18] <vesh_> ikonia, thanks a pun for clearing things up. Cant wait to test drive :)
[12:18] <mahdur> looking forward to 13.10
[12:19] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: okay, and?
[12:20] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: it's the permissions values, what about it?
[12:22] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: and I'm just asking if anything like that exists outside like FTP clients or terminal. I want to use it just from my right mouse button click. But I think I need to use terminal.
[12:22]  * cfhowlett suggest everyone who is breathlessly waiting for 13.10 to drop use torrents not direct download. 
[12:23] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: yeah, just "chmod <whatever> <wherever>"
[12:26] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: yes. I know, but it's slower while frequently in use. the one I shown looks clean and it's quick.
[12:26] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: what the GUI thing?
[12:26] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: that looks very slow to use
[12:27] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: right click -> type 777 + pass -> press OK
[12:28] <lolcat> Hello
[12:28] <lolcat> Is there an easy way to move /home to another harddrive?
[12:28] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: right click on what?
[12:28] <gordonjcp> lolcat: yes
[12:28] <cfhowlett> lolcat, I would think you could dd or copy to a movable media, drop it in the new location and then direct your system to find it.
[12:29] <gordonjcp> lolcat: unmount it, copy it across, update fstab to point to the new location
[12:29] <ArielX_> any one know how I can setup ircdhybrid on ubuntu 13.04
[12:29] <gordonjcp> lolcat: mount -a and boom
[12:29] <gordonjcp> you've moved it
[12:29] <cfhowlett> gordonjcp, did you just say what I meant to say - only smarter?
[12:29] <gordonjcp> cfhowlett: possibly ;-)
[12:30] <gordonjcp> lolcat: pay attention to *how* you copy it, so you don't mangle file timestamps
[12:30] <gordonjcp> or permissions
[12:31] <mehdi> hey guys i have read-only usb and i cant do anything to it i use gparted and gnome disk utility even fdisk even some guides
[12:31] <angch> gordonjcp, "cp -a"
[12:31] <mehdi> how can i format my flash?
[12:31] <robotex_> Yahoo! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/ubuntu-13-10-review-available-for-download
[12:33] <mehdi> ActionParsnip, have ever encountered with read-only flash usb?
[12:33] <dry[1]> gordonjcp: right mouse button click on a file, than click Properties with a proper table with a 'Numeric value' field with a drwx- - - - - - confirmation + (optional description table).
[12:34] <gordonjcp> dry[1]: that sounds complicated
[12:36] <moppy> mehdi: appears your device is "working as intended". Sometimes there is a physical switch on the usb stick that disables write protect
[12:37] <dr0p> is torrent available here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.04/ubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent is the final release?
[12:37] <dr0p> sorry: http://releases.ubuntu.com/13.10/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[12:37] <cfhowlett> dr0p, yes
[12:38] <mehdi> moppy, no i aint got that some virus made it happened]
[12:38] <bean> > virus
[12:38] <bean> > ubuntu
[12:39] <dr0p> cfhowlett, thanks
[12:39] <cfhowlett> dr0p, enjoy.
[12:40] <mehdi> bean, in iran above 95% percent of ppl use Windows
[12:40] <bean> mehdi, gparted etc should be able to format, you probably need to "unmount" it first though
[12:40] <cebor> is it normal that the "start up disc creator" takse 3-5 trys to do a working ubuntu usb-image ?
[12:41] <bean> mehdi, Yes, but a windows virus doesn't work on ubuntu
[12:41] <mehdi> bean, i tried but nothing happened
[12:41] <moppy> well if the usb was used on a win machine, it could have broken the filesystem there
[12:41] <gordonjcp> mehdi: I have a couple of USB sticks that have failed, such that they appear to be write protected
[12:41] <bean> plausible.
[12:41] <cfhowlett> cebor, no.  3 - 5 times suggest a problem.  sticks do fail.
[12:42] <moppy> or the usb stick itself could be broken
[12:42] <bean> you could try fscking it, mehdi.
[12:42] <moppy> you enjoyed that
[12:42] <ArielX_> any one know how I can setup ircdhybrid on ubuntu 13.04
[12:42] <bean> mehdi, what is the drive, /dev/sdb?
[12:43] <mehdi> bean, sdb it is
[12:43] <bean> ArielX_, if you don't know how to set up an IRCd it's probably best to not do it.
[12:43] <ArielX_> kk
[12:43] <bean> mehdi, alright, try "sudo hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb"
[12:43] <ArielX_> rash but good answer
[12:43] <rethus> hi, i have 12.04 installed. Can i upgrade to 12.10 with a Lubuntu-DVD but keep kde ?
[12:43] <bean> ArielX_, why would you want to set up and ircd, i guess.
[12:44] <bean> an*
[12:44] <mehdi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/185815/how-do-i-clear-everything-data-viruses-from-a-thumbdrive   i follow this article but second step with parted aint working
[12:44] <bean> mehdi, alright, try "sudo hdparm -r0 /dev/sdb"
[12:44] <rethus> means, that the upgrade get the main-system-packeges first from dvd instead load it from inet.
[12:44] <mehdi> and my dmesg| tail is : [ 1308.442103] Add. Sense: Write protected
[12:44] <mehdi> [ 1308.442108] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] CDB:
[12:44] <mehdi> [ 1308.442111] Write(10): 2a 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 08 00
[12:44] <mehdi> [ 1418.881619] EXT3-fs (sdb1): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb1.
[12:44] <mehdi> [ 1418.896741] EXT4-fs (sdb1): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
[12:44] <FloodBot1> mehdi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:44] <mehdi> [ 1418.911867] FAT-fs (sdb1): invalid media value (0xce)
[12:44] <rethus> and if the needed packege is not on dvd should go to inet
[12:45] <bean> oh, mehdi, is it an NTFS filesystem?
[12:45] <MarkDavis> hi
[12:45] <bean> rethus, you probably don't need a CD to upgrade.
[12:45] <mehdi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6250836/
[12:45] <MarkDavis> how can I uninstall OpenOffice (without Writer)?
[12:45] <rethus> bean, but i still have 12.10 here on cd, and its much faster than my inet-connection
[12:46] <bean> mehdi, did you try my hdparm command?
[12:46] <mehdi> yeap
[12:46] <rethus> so may i add the dvd to source and set prio a little higher than mirror on web
[12:46] <bean> mehdi, is it still write protected
[12:47] <mehdi> bean, setting for readonlyto 0
[12:47] <natool> hi, does anybody know when exacly will be the 13.10 announcement? was it postponed for some reason ?
[12:47] <ivan_> when is 13.10 about? I am looking for fresh install and using Cinnamon 2.0. as a DE. Good combo or not so?
[12:47] <mehdi> readonly =0
[12:47] <MarkDavis> apt-get with a parameteR?
[12:47] <bean> mehdi, so now try using parted to format it
[12:47] <bean> !party | natool
[12:47] <BluesKaj> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ , monitor this site for the official release
[12:47] <mehdi> bean, its unknown  and i used parted but returns error
[12:48] <bean> mehdi, it sounds like your flash drive is broken :\
[12:49] <mehdi> bean, let me show the error i get while using parted ok?
[12:49] <bean> k
[12:50] <natool> what about the builds in http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/  some of them are dated 17-Oct , is that the same as the final release ?
[12:50] <bean> !isitout
[12:50] <ArielX_> yes
[12:51] <bean> it hasn't been officially announced afaik
[12:51] <cfhowlett> natool, release is imminent.  perhaps you could, oh, I don't know, WAIT and then just install the final released version.
[12:51] <lacrymology> I've got an application launched, and I'd like to retrieve the full command line required to run it as it appears in htop, or the system monitor. It's stupidly long, and the sys mon doesn't seem to allow me to copy it
[12:53] <bean> lacrymology, "ps aux | grep name-of-application"
[12:53] <natool> cfhowlett: ok will wait :) like the style of the reply.. dramatic :P
[12:53] <makara> how can I make a new admin user from cli
[12:53] <makara> ?
[12:54] <cfhowlett> natool, delayed gratification is the mark of a truly self-substantiated linux user.  :)
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> mehdi: yes, it usually means not unmounted properly or other errors on the device
[12:55] <natool> cfhowlett: ummm will tweet that :P
[12:55] <xtriz> i have a source package, how can i make it a .deb package ? so that i can install that package.
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> !compile | xtriz
[12:55] <Pici> !checkinstall | xtriz
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: ue checkinstall instead of make install to build a deb
[12:56] <gnubie> weird, Distrowatch has a link to the 64-bit desktop in the latest distros but no announcement
[12:56] <eagle__> eai como vão ?
[12:56] <bean> it's not out unless the release manager says its out
[12:56] <mehdi> bean, its the error with parted : Error: Input/output error during write on /dev/sdb
[12:56] <lacrymology> bean: thanks. That gave me my command line. But it doesn't work. Damn
[12:58] <rlaager> I am with a regional ISP and I have some bandwidth to spare. We use Ubuntu, so I like to share the ISOs via bittorrent, especially around release time. I have good, native IPv6 connectivity too. I'm getting "Announce error: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." for ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com. If I load the website with that hostname, I see that the 13.10 torrents are not available there. Am I doing anything wrong, or does Canoni
[12:59] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, Pici ok :)
[12:59] <DJones> rlaager: Probably because the final release hasn't been confirmed so the torrents may not be available, or could even be old versions
[12:59] <cfhowlett> rlaager, I think those links may just be placeholders ...
[13:00] <veshan> ubottu - http://insights.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-13-10-delivers-faster-cloud-setup-and-management-for-scale-out-environments/?utm_source=ubunteu&utm_medium=url_shortner&utm_term=1310cloud&utm_campaign=shortner
[13:00] <julian-delphiki> veshan, ubottu is a bot
[13:01] <anonaeham> yep
[13:01] <cfhowlett> julian-delphiki, ah, man, you RUINED it!
[13:01] <veshan> i dont see a release date for the desktop 13.10 version so I guess its going to be sometime today/this month. Sorry BOT didnt mean to L(
[13:02] <ikonia> veshan: sometime today (17th) yes
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> veshan: it will arrive, chillout
[13:02] <Rory> Are there torrents seeding for it yet? I have a lot of lovely bandwidth which is just sitting there being wasted
[13:03] <cfhowlett> veshan, on Central Europe Time, they've still got 9 hours of "today" left.  Chillax
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> Rory: pull down the daily iso, then simply upgrade
[13:03] <Rory> ActionParsnip: I don't mean for me, I mean to help seed the final release
[13:04] <veshan> cfhowlett - cant wait :)
[13:04] <DJones> Rory: Final released hasn't been announced yet
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> Rory: i see, what speed up do you have?
[13:04] <Rory> ActionParsnip: well potentially 10gbps but I'm limit it to 1
[13:04] <veshan> DJones, it has its on www.ubuntu.com website
[13:04] <Rory> Also IO
[13:04]  * bean is going to seed the final torrent. 
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> Rory: to the web? from your router? 1Gbps upstream speed?
[13:05] <Rory> ActionParsnip: Yes
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> Rory: are you sure you arent confusing it with the speed from your PC to the router?
[13:05] <Rory> ActionParsnip: I work for an ISP
[13:05] <rlaager> DJones: So the .torrent files on releases.ubuntu.com aren't for final .isos, even though they have the usual names?
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> Rory: ahhh that explains it
[13:05] <ActionParsnip> Rory: you can understand my exclamation
[13:05] <Rory> yes lol
[13:05] <DJones> veshan: No it hasn't, thats just and advert for something different, if you go to the download page, its still 12.04 & 13.04
[13:06]  * bean will be seeding it on his seedbox once it hits final
[13:07] <DJones> rlaager: They can still change, until its announced on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-September/thread.html there's no guarantee
[13:07] <gustav___> I'm having some trouble upgrading procps...
[13:07] <gustav___> # service procps restart
[13:07] <gustav___> stop: Unknown instance:
[13:07] <gustav___> start: Job failed to start
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[13:08] <hillary_> I cannot open any windows applications in my ubuntu12.04. Instead it displays file not found. What could be the issue
[13:08] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS.
[13:08] <hillary_> Wine?
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> hillary_: what application are you trying to use?
[13:09] <cfhowlett> hillary_, wine.
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: used TAB to complete the name of the service?
[13:09] <zbrkxbr> guys I need an info. I'm using lubuntu and I want to use peppermint OS's ICE program
[13:09] <hillary_> i install Cisa.exe but it cannot open. And any .exe cannot work
[13:10] <veshan> DJones, worth the wait anyway, will have to just wait and see, according to cfhowlett it should be available sometime today
[13:10] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: No, I know it's name.
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> hillary_: is this an exam of some kind
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: use TAB to be double sure
[13:10] <hillary_> yes you are correct
[13:10] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: Well, why? That's a feature of 12.10.
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> hillary_: did you check the Wine Appdb to see if it is known to work?
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: tab completeion has been in Ubuntu and Linux forever
[13:11] <hillary_> how do i check please
[13:11] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: But not for service.
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: the TAB completion of the service name is not new in Saucy
[13:11] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: it is
[13:12] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: No, that's a feature of 12.10.
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: type:  sudo servce     then press TAB a few times
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: works here on Precise
[13:12] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: Are you going to help me or keep trolling?
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: you are saying something isnt a feature, when it is
[13:13] <gustav___> The service/file exists,
[13:13] <gustav___> # ls /etc/init.d/procps
[13:13] <gustav___> /etc/init.d/procps
[13:13] <zbrkxbr> what'sgoing on
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> can somebody else test this on Precise, tab completion after:  sudo service
[13:13] <hillary_> ActionParsnip: i do i check if wine Appdb work?
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> hillary_: search it
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> hillary_: the appdb is online
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: can you use it from the init.d folder?
[13:13] <rlaager> ActionParsnip: Yes, sudo service tab completes on Precise.
[13:14] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: Nope.
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: ^ rlaager's system does it.... weird huh. New in Saucy it is NOT
[13:14] <rlaager> gustav___: Do you have the bash-completion package installed?
[13:14] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: Isn't Saucy 13?
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: no, saucy is 13.10
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: there is no "ubuntu 13"
[13:15] <anuj> hi
[13:15] <gustav___> rlaager: No.
[13:15] <gustav___> ActionParsnip: Still, stop trolling and help me.
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: in a default install of ubuntu it is installed and has been for a long long long time
[13:15] <anuj> hi
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: im educating you, its not a new feature in Saucy when you said it is
[13:15] <foofoobar> Hi. I have set up virtualbox with windows7. Now I plugged in my iPad, but I can find it under virtualbox
[13:15] <foofoobar> What can I do ?
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: are there any bugs reported for the issue?
[13:16] <foofoobar> Looking under dmesg I can see that it is recoginized as a "Apple Inc." device
[13:16] <xiaopi[z]> any channel for saucy release?
[13:16] <foofoobar> I can see the ipad in nautilus
[13:16] <gustav___> Can someone else except ActionParsnip help me? He seems to be a troll.
[13:16] <kostkon> xiaopi[z], #ubuntu-release-party
[13:16] <foofoobar> But under virtualbox not
[13:16] <xiaopi[z]> thanks :D
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> !bug 998302 | gustav___
[13:16] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, don't expect to much.  not sure that virtualbox will handle the ipad/win7 interchange
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> gustav___: known issue
[13:17] <foofoobar> cfhowlett, but I wonder why virtualbox shows me "no usb device found"
[13:18] <Hary> If I turn on and load Ubuntu: sound doesn't work. If I turn on and load Windows, then restart and load Ubuntu, sound works. If I hibernate Ubuntu, then turn on and load Ubuntu, sound works.
[13:18] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, you have to enable USB passthrough for one.  also ... it's Apple.  expect unforeseen issues with NON-apple hardware.  they make it difficult by design
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> Hary: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[13:18] <Hary> ActionParsnip: with sound working or sound not working?
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> Hary: in Ubuntu, the sound working won't affect the output :)
[13:19] <gustav_> Fixed!
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> gustav_: did the bug help?
[13:19] <gustav_> ActionParsnip: Thanks.
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> gustav_: coolio
[13:19] <foofoobar> cfhowlett, when I go to settings -> usb -> and click the "plus sign", it shows no device
[13:19] <gustav_> Yep. One of the comments had a workaround.
[13:20] <Hary> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 13.04 \n \l
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> gustav_: looking for bugs when you get issues helps, sometimes people report them and people give fixes :)
[13:20] <ozberk> guys I need to use ICE (peppermint's web apps program) in lubuntu
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> Hary: try:  killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.config/pulse*; rm -r ~/.pulse*      wait 10 seconds, does sound then work?
[13:20] <gustav_> ActionParsnip: No sure what to search for when looking for bug reports.
[13:20] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, as I said ...   do you have some tutorial or evidence that this has actually worked?
[13:20] <foofoobar> cfhowlett, no :/
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> gustav_: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=service+procps+restart&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=IuNfUtqpC_OV7AbAg4G4Cw#q=service+procps+restart+Unknown+instance&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&safe=off   my exact search
[13:20] <daninoz> hi guys, the images on http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ are the final ones, or still the release candidate?
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> gustav_: 2nd link
[13:21] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, :)
[13:21] <carlo4413> como funciona isso?
[13:21] <cfhowlett> foofoobar, good thought, nice try ...
[13:21] <cfhowlett> !it|carlo4413,
[13:21] <Hary> ActionParsnip: I restarted from windows, so it's working, but I could restart and then try the command
[13:22] <lacrymology> !po|carlo4413
[13:22] <Hary> ActionParsnip: BRB
[13:22] <lacrymology> cfhowlett: i think that's portuguese, not it
[13:22] <carlo4413> italiano?
[13:22] <ezra-s> fajita, modm_mem_cache
[13:22] <cfhowlett> lacrymology,  could be.
[13:22] <Pici> !br | carlo4413
[13:22] <ezra-s> fajita, mod_mem_cache
[13:22] <ezra-s> wops
[13:22] <ezra-s> wrong window,s orry
[13:22] <hallmatt> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[13:23] <cfhowlett> hallmatt, stop it
[13:23] <bwayne> I'm wanting to contribute bittorrent peerage whenever 13.10 is announced. However, I'm at work and I'm not sure which port on my router is open to listen to incoming BT requests. Is there a way to probe it to see from the command line?
[13:24] <Rory> bwayne: nmap
[13:24] <bwayne> Rory: thx
[13:24] <hallmatt> Ubuntu 13.10 is OUT THERE NOW.  Ready for download, looks like
[13:25] <BluesKaj> hallmatt. not yet , https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/
[13:25] <daninoz> hi guys, the images on http://releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ are the final ones, or still the release candidate?
[13:25] <Harry2> wait
[13:25] <Hary> brb
[13:25] <Pici> BluesKaj: check your lick
[13:26] <Ari-Yang> so ubuntu 13.10 uses kernel 3.11, right? If that's so, then people with radeon cards can now easily activate DPM (dynamic power management) with open source drivers
[13:26] <moppy> BluesKaj: website and do-release-upgrade are both offering 13.10
[13:26] <Pici> daninoz: final
[13:27] <hallmatt> looks like ubuntu server 13.10, there are modify the site now.  Still being added, however Desktop 13.10 is out there now
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> bwayne: you could nmap yourself using a web page, there are scanning sites out there
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic Ari-Yang
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic | Ari-Yang
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-image-generic saucy | Ari-Yang
[13:28] <Ari-Yang> ActionParsnip: pleas stop it
[13:28] <Ari-Yang> .___.
[13:29] <krux> bwayne, whatsmyip.org has nmap and all kinds of stuff
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> Ari-Yang: 3.11.0.12.13 kernel to be exact
[13:29] <Ari-Yang> ActionParsnip: k
[13:29] <pcoder> Hi, I would like to install xfce4 using apt-get, but it does not seem to find it. Does any one know how could I fix this? I am on 12.04 and I have updated the mirror to use the US sites.
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> Ari-Yang: had i stopped it, you woul;dn't have known that
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> !info xfce4 precise
[13:29] <Ari-Yang> ActionParsnip: what you did was not needed
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> pcoder: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[13:30] <Ari-Yang> regardless it's still kernel 3.11
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> Ari-Yang: it clarified what you asked
[13:30] <Ari-Yang> :|
[13:30] <Ari-Yang> ActionParsnip: the first 2 triggers were spam to me :b
[13:30] <Ari-Yang> anyway, moving on
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> Ari-Yang: yes i botched the trigger
[13:31] <Sharcho> Can anyone point me how to to debug upstart issues (specifically MySQL) with Ubuntu 12.04? I'm getting "start: Job failed to start
", and there's nothing in the logs. The documentation on-line didn't help either.
[13:31] <pcoder> ActionParsnip: do you know where to enable it or where I could find it? Thanks.
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> !repos | pcoder
[13:31] <Ari-Yang> pcallday: apt-cache search xfce in terminal
[13:31] <pcallday> why
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> pcoder: use software centre to easily enable repos
[13:31] <pcallday> I'm on windog now
[13:32] <Ari-Yang> pcallday: my bad, I meant pcoder
[13:32] <pcallday> heh no pro
[13:32] <Ari-Yang> pcoder: in terminal type apt-cache search xfce
[13:32] <Ari-Yang> that will list xfce related packages
[13:32] <Hary> ActionParsnip: I turned off and on now I can't hear anything and my volume reset to 100 :s
[13:32] <Hary> ActionParsnip: what was that command?
[13:32] <bwayne> krux: that's interesting. unfortunately, I'm sure it's a very high portnumber. nmap -p1-65535 is  currently running. :-)
[13:33] <pcoder> Ari-Yang: sudo apt-cache search xfce4  shows nothing
[13:34] <Ari-Yang> pcoder: what about just xfce? not xfce4 and no need to run that command as sudo
[13:34] <moppy> pcoder: ignore that, "xfce4" is the package name and it is in universe. follow actionparsnip
[13:34] <ivan_> It's here 13.10.
[13:34] <Hary> ActionParsnip: are you there are you ?
[13:34] <ivan_> final release
[13:34] <krux> bwayne, the site gives you a section where you can specify what ports to scan aswell
[13:35] <Hary> ActionParsnip: What was that command?
[13:36] <bwayne> krux: can't scroll back. was it whatsmyip.com ?
[13:36] <krux> .org
[13:37] <bwayne> krux: ya da man now dog
[13:37] <pcoder> Ari-Yang, moppy, ActionParsnip: Thanks to all of you. I found it and installed.
[13:38] <Ari-Yang> pcoder: np~
[13:39] <bwayne> krux: doesn't seem to be away to specify a different domain from the webui.
[13:39] <Hary> If I turn on and load Ubuntu, sound doesn't work. If I turn on, load Windows, restart and load Ubuntu, sound works. If I hibernate Ubuntu with sound working and load Ubuntu, sound works.
[13:40] <xtriz> why is that i can't change any permissions on my USB portable disk ?
[13:40] <xtriz> is that due to NTFS ?
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !permissoins|xtriz,
[13:40] <cfhowlett> !permissions
[13:40] <philinux> Is there a way to tell if ZSWAP is active? In Ubuntu
[13:40] <Hary> How can I get sound to work without restarting form Windows?
[13:41] <moppy> xtriz: check it is mounted properly and there are no disk errors. ubuntu can mount in root only if the file system is inconsisent
[13:41] <cfhowlett> xtriz, could be NTFS but I've never had a problem getting access to my win7
[13:41] <krux> bwayne, yeah i think that only does your ip.. try this.. http://incloak.com/ports/
[13:41] <xtriz> cfhowlett, i even tried chmod 777 but still i can't change anything.
[13:41] <krux> there is many out there you just gotta search for it..
[13:41] <cfhowlett> xtriz, see moppy's suggestion: mount
[13:41] <moppy> run the checkdisk, usually the cause of being unable to do permissions is file system error
[13:42] <xtriz> cfhowlett, i am able to access it, but i can't access it over apache .
[13:42] <Hary> ActionParsnip: ?
[13:42] <xtriz> moppy, ok checking out
[13:42] <Hary> ActionParsnip: you are here?
[13:44] <Hary> ActionParsnip: Are you alive?? You are fk?
[13:45] <Hary> afk
[13:45] <xtriz> moppy, only the owner has access to read and write, i can't change the permissions of the group and the others.
[13:46] <serphacker> hi, I would like to mount a tmpfs partition and copy some directories in this part, a way to do that via fstab ?
[13:46] <pcoder> Hi, Its strange to find that 12.04 no more supports right clicking on applet items bar and adding/removing applets? How can that be done?
[13:47] <bootkiller> can someone explain me why the upgrade manager needs 80.6MB free space on /boot ?!?!?
[13:47] <hallmatt> URL for Ubuntu Server is wrong, they have 1 to many 0's
[13:47] <hallmatt> WRONG - ubunturelease.mirror.nac.net//saucy/ubuntu-13.010-server-amd64.iso
[13:47] <hallmatt> CORRECT- ubunturelease.mirror.nac.net//saucy/ubuntu-13.10-server-amd64.iso
[13:48] <linuxnewbie> Hello, i'm having problems getting curlftpfs to work because i have a password like this -> aaa,bbb:joia  , i think the problem is with :  ...is there anyway i can escape , and :  ? ( i have tried using single quotes and -o user= but it's not working)
[13:48] <Hary> If I turn on and load Ubuntu, sound doesn't work. If I turn on, load Windows, restart and load Ubuntu, sound works. If I hibernate Ubuntu with sound working and load Ubuntu, sound works.
[13:49] <pranav> is there a small program to take screenshots in relatively low resolution so that it doesn't hampher the ongoing processes performance ?
[13:49] <pranav> is there a small program to take screenshots in relatively low resolution so that it doesn't hampher the ongoing processes performance ?
[13:49] <mephr_> I'm having trouble setting up my displays under 12.04. I have 2 displays. If I place them correctly in the display utility in system settings I get the error: requested position/size for CRTC 147 is outside the allowed limit: position=(1680, 0), size=(2560, 1080), maximum=(2560, 2560) and error: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._gnome_2drr_2derror_2dquark.Code3: requested position/size for CRTC 147 is outside the allowed l
[13:49] <mephr_> imit: position=(1680, 0), size=(2560, 1080), maximum=(2560, 2560)
[13:49] <pranav> is there a small program to take screenshots in relatively low resolution so that it doesn't hampher the ongoing processes performance ?
[13:49] <Pici> hallmatt: where did you get that link from?
[13:49] <mephr_> However, if I set them atop each other it works.
[13:49] <Pici> pranav: stop repeating
[13:49] <pranav> wow.. this channel has grown its no. of users recently ;)
[13:49] <bean__> pranav: it's 13.10 release day...
[13:50] <moppy> well windows 8.1 was released today, what did you expect? :-)
[13:50] <pranav> bean__:  hmm.. wow!
[13:50] <bean__> seriously though, pranav, be patient.
[13:50] <bean__> what are you attempting to accomplish with said screenshots
[13:51] <bwayne> it appears that a port which i had previously opened for bittorrent is now closed. are there alternative ports, such as ftp or http, which are acceptable on which to use BT?
[13:51] <bean__> bwayne: usually any "high port" is fine.
[13:51] <pranav> bean__:  i will write a script. and will make a timelapse video of my 24 hrs for 1 week ?
[13:51] <moppy> pranav: there is a screenshot app in ubuntu (in the dash), it cab be set to do a window only, or a mouse rectangle
[13:51] <wheatthin> bwayne, what bean_ means is anything over 1024
[13:52] <moppy> pranav: sorry ignore me, it wont help for that
[13:52] <bean__> pranav: check out "gLapse" idk if its in the repos
[13:52] <pranav> moppy: i always use it though. its userful.
[13:52] <pranav> bean__: ok :)
[13:53] <pranav> bean__: is 13.10 long term release ?
[13:53] <bean__> pranav: no, most recent LTS is 12.04, 14.04 will be the next.
[13:54] <pranav> bean__: ok.. but still i can't wait to try new ubuntu
[13:54] <bean__> understandable. 13.10 is out now
[13:56] <pcallday> now
[13:56] <pranav> bean__: i made a 32 bit installation for Ubuntu 10.04 (in 64 bit computer) 2/3 years back
[13:56] <pranav> and then later upgraded to 12.04 it so that my programs/settings remains intact. is the clean installation only way to leverage the benefits of 64 bit ?
[13:56] <esde> Could a machine with an i7 3.5ghz quad core, 256GB ssd, 1TB hdd, be used as a sort of vm host? I'm thinking of running ubuntu 12.04 on the ssd then setting up windows and any other OS's as guests in VirtualBox. If it were set up like that, would I be able to use the windows guest just like i'm using windows installed on it now?
[13:56] <bean__> pranav: Yes, doing it any other way would be unwise.
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> esde: sure, sounds cool
[13:56] <pranav> bean__: is there a way to keep my softwares intact ?
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> esde: the hardware will be virtualized so games wont run great
[13:57] <esde> No gaming
[13:57] <esde> just a lot of downloading and media viewing
[13:57] <xtriz> moppy, cfhowlett  had to do this to get the root access and change the permissions -> sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw,auto,user,fmask=0022,dmask=0000 /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever
[13:57] <bean__> well, you could /try/ to take a list of the packages you have installed and then reinstall them on 13.10, but theres a good chance some of them will be missing
[13:57] <cgt> esde: why not do that on ubuntu?
[13:58] <pranav> bean__: okies.. will keep that in mind
[13:58]  * wsky is upgrading to 13.10. yay.
[13:58] <Ari-Yang> games available on stea linux, esde, http://store.steampowered.com/search/?os=linux
[13:58] <Atluxity> people know they can get 13.10 whenever they want, right?
[13:59] <thebishop> compiz performance has been terrible for me on 13.10.  I've noticed unity+dash are opaque also
[13:59] <bean__> esde: man, if you didn't need windows, I'd tell you to use containers :)
[13:59] <cgt> Atluxity: what?
[13:59] <Ari-Yang> [09:57:29] <esde> just a lot of downloading and media viewing ----> you can do this on ubuntu just fine....
[13:59] <pranav> Ari-Yang: are they compatible with 12.04 ?
[14:00] <Ari-Yang> ....it's on linux, pranav.
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> thebishop: is gnome-shell ok?
[14:00] <Atluxity> cgt: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:00] <thebishop> ActionParsnip, i haven't installed gnome shell...
[14:00] <Ari-Yang> pranav: what I linked on steam games on linux....
[14:00] <pranav> Ari-Yang: ok.. :)
[14:00] <esde> cgt, some windows applications are still needed. bean__, containers? like openvz virtualization?
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> thebishop: give it a go, you will then know if Compiz is the culprit
[14:00] <cgt> Atluxity: what about it?
[14:01] <bean__> esde: yeah
[14:01] <esde> would I look into openvz or something by a different name?
[14:01] <subby1> my internet connection is not working properly on ubuntu and showed some error messages and so i had to format my computer again .... i use ubuntu with windows so now i had to install both of them again .... after dat wen i boot my computer with live usb of ubuntu and select the "try ubuntu" option... still da same prob occurs .... it shows dat my internet connection but wen i use any internet browser or anythng else it shows interne
[14:01] <thebishop> ActionParsnip, i'm pretty sure it is compiz.  I'm seeing 5 compiz processes (is that normal), and they idle around 25% of cpu usage, frequently hitting 80% across all 4 available threads
[14:01] <jochen> Guten Tag zusammen. Nun wird endlich meine externe HD an der Fritzbox erkannt und ich kann im Thunnar und Nautilus darauf zugreifen. Nun kommt das nächste Problem: In "Back in time" kann ich die Adresse "smb://192.168.178/XXXX"  als Speicherort nicht eingeben. Im Ordner media und mnt ist die HD ebenfalls nicht zu finden. Wat nu?
[14:01] <Atluxity> you said "what", thats my elaboration
[14:01] <ActionParsnip> thebishop: no, you should only have one
[14:02] <lau_za> greetings, any IRC channel you would suggest where i can get pure-ftpd / ldap supprt ?
[14:02] <ActionParsnip> thebishop: try a reboot
[14:02] <SwedeMike> !de | jochen
[14:02] <cgt> jochen: #ubuntu-de
[14:02] <thebishop> ActionParsnip, this has been going on all week.  it was solid last week.  not sure what changed.
[14:02] <bean__> subby1: s/dat/that; s/wen/when
[14:02] <bean__> subby1: can't really help without an error message though
[14:03] <bean__> lau_za: http://download.pureftpd.org/pure-ftpd/doc/README.LDAP seems to have all you should need
[14:03] <wsky> http://i.imgur.com/Q88Z7YO.jpg \o/
[14:03] <philinux> Is there a way to tell if ZSWAP is active? In Ubuntu
[14:03] <ActionParsnip> thebishop: try killing all compiz's and starting a new one
[14:03] <jochen> sorry
[14:04] <subby1> i hav connected my comp with my laptop through lan and my laptop is connected through wifi wid my router.... and i hv bridged those two connections.....
[14:04] <pranav> Ari-Yang: I watched escape-goat, and my i thought - those were the days, people used to have so much fun in games like that. wish the trend of such games repeat :)
[14:04] <lau_za> bean__: been there done that =] not getting auth completed, looking for more ways to depug / where i can get error reporting, even with multiple verbose logging on pure ftpd I cannot see what is happening on the ldap side
[14:04] <subby1> bean__: wat shuld i provide den??
[14:04] <xtriz> i have created a link ln -s /home/Ubuntu /var/www/ubuntu how can i delete this ?
[14:04] <Ari-Yang> pranav: uhhh... that's nice but this is a support channel... for offtopic discussion you'd join #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:05] <genii> xtriz: rm /var/www/ubuntu
[14:05] <bwayne> it seems rtorrent doesn't need me to specify the incoming port. UPnP FTW?
[14:05] <genii> xtriz: Probably prepended with sudo
[14:06] <xtriz> genii, ok :)
[14:07] <siwica> I am trying to install a C++ library. Depending on what shell I use I am supposed to do add s.th. to my PATH in different ways (http://pastebin.com/Edgtfn0k).
[14:07] <siwica> 1. I am running Ubuntu 13.04 (Unity), which shell do I have?
[14:07] <siwica> 2. Is it secure and common to add sth to PATH anyway?
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> siwica: unity is the shell
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> siwica: you can add to the PATH as you desire
[14:07] <subby1> my internet connection is not working properly on ubuntu and showed some error messages and so i had to format my computer again .... i use ubuntu with windows so now i had to install both of them again .... after dat wen i boot my computer with live usb of ubuntu and select the "try ubuntu" option... still da same prob occurs .... it shows dat my internet connection but wen i use any internet browser or anythng else it shows interne
[14:08] <siwica> ActionParsnip: Somebody told me it would be unusual and he wouldnt recommend me doing it, although I dont see a security concern.
[14:08] <siwica> ActionParsnip: I am quite a Linux novice though
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> subby1: so do you have internet in ubuntu or not? I cannot discern it with all the 'dat' and 'da' nonesense.
[14:08] <pumpi3> hi
[14:08] <ActionParsnip> subby1: try typing infull sentances and in english, it makes solving your issue a lot easier
[14:08] <pumpi3> is anyone here
[14:09] <pumpi3> I've got a little question about the new release
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> siwica: its not good practice to add pwd to PATH, that is a security concern
[14:09] <subby1> ActionParsnip: fck off
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> siwica: but if you have your own app in a folder, you can add that folder to PATH and run it easily
[14:09] <siwica> ActionParsnip: what does pwd mean?
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> SunTsu: you wrote a lot but it means nothing, can you rephrase please
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> siwica: 'print working directory'
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> siwica: its a command :)
[14:10] <pumpi3> Is the brightness problem solved in Ubuntu 13.10?
[14:10] <siwica> ActionParsnip: thanks, I am learning ;)
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> siwica: we all are :)
[14:10] <kostkon> pumpi3, lenovo laptop?
[14:10] <pumpi3> yeah
[14:10] <rosco_y> My dual-panel displays are being detected as as laptop, does anyone know how to correct this?
[14:10] <pumpi3> I've got a Ideapad Y500
[14:10] <kostkon> pumpi3, no idea but you could give the live iso a try
[14:10] <SonikkuAmerica> pumpi3: Brightness problem?
[14:11] <siwica> ActionParsnip: so what would be the way to add something to PATH on startup on my configuration?
[14:11] <pumpi3> yeah
[14:11] <SonikkuAmerica> pprldr
[14:11] <rosco_y> It's been working fine now for a long time
[14:11] <pumpi3> I can't adjust my brightness in 12.04 or 12.10 or 13.04
[14:11] <pumpi3> it remains at the maximum
[14:11] <pumpi3> and that really hurts my eyes :p
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> siwica: you can add it in ~/.bashrc   to add to your user, or add it to /etc/environment to set it system wide
[14:12] <pumpi3> tried various workflows and now I'm hoping it's solved in 13.10
[14:12] <rosco_y> but today it wouldn't boot, so I went into the system recovery options.  I ran dpkg and resumed booting, now it's as though my display is a laptop
[14:12] <siwica> ActionParsnip: ok, sounds good. The instructions said "~/.bash_profile"
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> subthalamus: notice how people writing in English get replies. That's not a coincidence
[14:13] <siwica> ActionParsnip: Though ~/.bash_profile doent exist yet
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> siwica: try it, its a text file so easily editable
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> siwica: ~/.bashrc is my choice but you could try making the file to test
[14:14] <exalt> Hello, i installed nvidia driver and rebooted, everything works fine but my themes are messed up... i like radiance by i can only get ambiance
[14:14] <exalt> i am like what the frack...
[14:15] <siwica> ActionParsnip: ok, I'll try
[14:15] <bwayne> pumpi3: adding "acpi_backlight=vendor" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub worked for me.
[14:17] <sash87> HI all
[14:18] <kostkon> sash87, hi
[14:18] <Jazlin18> hey
[14:18] <sash87> my usb modem is not connecting at all after upgraing to 12.04 lts
[14:19] <sash87> lsusb shows Bus 003 Device 003: ID 12d1:1505 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E398 LTE/UMTS/GSM Modem/Networkcard
[14:19] <Jazlin18> hey everyone
[14:19] <cfhowlett> Jazlin18, greetings
[14:19] <Jazlin18> hello?
[14:19] <cfhowlett> sash87, greetings
[14:19] <Jazlin18> anyone wanna caht
[14:20] <siwica> ActionParsnip: seems to work, thanks!
[14:20] <cfhowlett> !ot|Jazlin18, not on this channel
[14:20] <sash87> and usb-devices shows http://pastebin.com/tUMiRvJh
[14:20] <Jazlin18> thanks
[14:20] <sparklr> FAT partition has become an unknown file system,  lshw shows Windows FAT volume, how do i fix and mount this partition?
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> siwica: score, plus you learned :)
[14:20] <Jazlin18> everyone keeps sending me to other place im getting confused
[14:20] <bean__> Jazlin18: oh? this is the ubuntu support channel. Who sent you here.
[14:21] <SunTsu> ActionParsnip: I don't remember writing a lot. Mis-completed my nick?
[14:21] <Jazlin18> umm #defocus channel
[14:21] <sash87> but somewhat  it got connected today morning after long session
[14:21] <sash87> I am really frustrated about 12.04 LTS
[14:21] <sash87> it was never the case in my older versions
[14:21] <siwica> ActionParsnip: It a never ending learning process with linux it seems. But I think I learned more about computers in the past 6 months than before in my entire life ;)
[14:22] <sash87> please somebody give me some permanent solution for this
[14:22] <raub> For those of oyu who use spamassassin, do you know where the .lm (as in lm/en.lm) packages for textcat are?
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> siwica: sam with any OS
[14:24] <siwica> ActionParsnip: ...thats not just hidden behind a pretty GUI ;)
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> sash87: did you search the web for 12d1:1505 as that is the ID
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> siwica: windows + powershell = lots of fun and power
[14:25] <sash87> what ?? I did not get you
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> sash87: '12d1:1505' is the ID of the device, did you use it in websearches?
[14:25] <sash87> no
[14:25] <ActionParsnip> sash87: I suggest you do
[14:26] <sash87> then ?
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> sash87: then you may find guides, what else?
[14:28] <raub> sash87: it's like old Mr. Sun Tzu said: learn your enemy
[14:28] <raub> so you can btichslap it
[14:29] <philinux> Is there a way to tell if ZSWAP is active? In Ubuntu
[14:32] <krux> philinux, swapon -s maybe ?
[14:33] <krux>  -s, --summary          display summary about used swap devices and exit
[14:34] <tucemiux> what enhacements have been done in the new released ?  anyone tried the new release yet?
[14:34] <cfhowlett> tucemiux, your point?
[14:34] <cfhowlett> tucemiux, i.e. install it and see for yourself?
[14:34] <tucemiux> cfhowlett, my point is if it's worth upgrading? o.O
[14:34] <philinux> krux: not swap Zswap http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQwODI
[14:34] <cfhowlett> tucemiux, good question!  personally, I run only LTS as I don't need to risk my system every 6 months.
[14:34] <tucemiux> cfhowlett, if you haven't tried it then why are you replying?
[14:35] <hitsujiTMO> tucemiux: its a rather subjective question... only you can answer that
[14:35] <cfhowlett> tucemiux, your mileage may vary
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> tucemiux: raring is eol in January 2014, so you may have to if you are using it and want continued support
[14:35] <krux> ahh i see :)
[14:35] <raub> cfhowlett: glad to see I am not the only one using LTS. Thought on my laptop I took my brave pills and am running 13.04
[14:36] <cfhowlett> tucemiux, badly phrased question on my part ... no slight/slap intended
[14:36] <tucemiux> ActionParsnip, yeah there's one very good piece of information, I don't typically use the LTS versions
[14:36] <philinux> tucemiux: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ubuntu-13-10-review-the-linux-os-of-the-future-remains-a-year-away/
[14:36] <cfhowlett> raub, I see you like to live dangerously!  fwiw, next LTS is 14.04 so ... only 6 months to wait!
[14:37] <tucemiux> philinux, thanks for the link, i'm going to catch up on salamander, meanwhile I'm going to start the upgrade
[14:37] <oscalation> hey, on 13.04 i had a problem where my desktop froze, and i pressed ALT+CTRL + F3 to drop into shell and saw from TOP that compiz was using 100+ percent of the CPU. I killed the PID three times but it kept coming back, and i reset compiz with no luck
[14:37] <hitsujiTMO> tucemiux: maybe best to wait a month for much of the initial bugs to be cleaned out
[14:37] <oscalation> any idea what could cause this?
[14:37] <philinux> tucemiux: running on two machines here just fine and with Mir
[14:37] <jmgk> hi all
[14:37] <raub> cfhowlett: I still have at work some 10.04 boxes I am tryting to persuade Them to let me move to 12.04 :)
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: what gpu do you use ?
[14:37] <jmgk> I got a really old laptop and im wondering How well it can run on an old laptop?
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> raub: 10.04 server is still supported
[14:38] <tucemiux> oscalation, on 13.04 my printer stopped working, hopefully 13.10 will make up for that one, nowadays I'm forced to print using windows
[14:38] <raub> At least I got the go ahead to upgrade the 11.X to 12.04 :)
[14:38] <cfhowlett> raub, 10.04?  server I hope as desktop is end of life.
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> jmgk: use Lubuntu or Xubutnu
[14:38] <xtriz> how can i download a folder that is hosted on apache ?
[14:38] <jmgk> ah
[14:38] <philinux> hitsujiTMO: no serious bugs here
[14:38] <jmgk> why?
[14:38] <raub> cfhowlett: servers
[14:38] <xtriz> i tried wget but what i download is index.html file
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> jmgk: the are designed to use fewer resources
[14:38] <cfhowlett> jmgk, upvote for lubuntu/xubuntu on old devices.
[14:38] <oscalation> ActionParsnip: Geforce GTS 250
[14:38] <jmgk> ah I see
[14:38] <jmgk> Do you guys use laptops often?
[14:39] <jmgk> or desktops generally Linux wise
[14:39] <jmgk> ?
[14:39] <helmut_> hi
[14:39] <philinux> tucemiux: you should also read the release notes > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes
[14:39] <cfhowlett> jmgk, lappy only here
[14:39] <jmgk> nice
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: does your cpu also have a GPU?
[14:39] <jmgk> I prefer lappy
[14:39] <jmgk> cfhowlett:  what kind?
[14:39] <raub> I use centos or ubuntu LTS as servers. Thought my firends call me wimp for not using gentoo ;)
[14:39] <philinux> jmgk: both
[14:39] <jmgk> I got an i7
[14:39] <jmgk> ;)
[14:39] <oscalation> no, i dont think so. its an intel i5 3rd gen
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: if you run:   sudo lshw -C display    do you see an Intel and an Nvidia GPU?
[14:39] <makara> help. I'm ssh'ing into this box, and I accidently overwrote the root .ssh id_rsa. Could that be a problem do you think?
[14:39] <jmgk> Im getting another monitor
[14:39] <tucemiux> oscalation, in between, I run ubuntu without effects, I still haven't figured out how to configure the drivers for the gtx 660
[14:39] <ihre> desktop ftw, but got a laptop for easy access
[14:39] <jmgk> ah
[14:40] <makara> when the connection closes, will I be locked out?
[14:40] <oscalation> ActionParsnip: when i rebooted i came into windows , im not able to access the terminal at the second
[14:40] <bl4ckdu5t> !mutt
[14:40] <oscalation> was i right to try and kill the PID, and use i think it was "compiz restart" ? I couldnt remember what else to try
[14:41] <bl4ckdu5t> !help
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> how can i unrar an .img file again?
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: or look online if your system has a make and model
[14:41] <oscalation> ActionParsnip: it doesnt, its a self build
[14:41] <bl4ckdu5t> !tell bl4ckdu5t about mutt
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: you cant unrar img files, its not rar'd in the first place
[14:41] <oal> I see a download button for Ubuntu Phone, but not for tablets yet. Will the tablet version be released later?
[14:41] <cfhowlett> !touch|oal,
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: if you have a sandy / ivy bridge then you will need bumblebee
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: convert then?
[14:42] <oscalation> ActionParsnip: one second let me restart into ubuntu, brb.
[14:42] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: you can mount the file and view the contents of the file, there is no decompression
[14:42] <bl4ckdu5t> !crypt
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: ok tnx
[14:42] <oal> cfhowlett, thanks
[14:42] <cfhowlett> oal, have fun, be safe
[14:43] <ns5> how can I turn down the lightness of my laptop display?  The Fn + left/right keys do not work with 13.10.
[14:43] <buu> ns5: fn+f2/f3 ?
[14:44] <ns5> buu: fn+f3 is wifi switch on my laptop
[14:44] <buu> =[
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> ns5: what make and model laptop?
[14:44] <raub> Can't you reprogram those keys?
[14:45] <ns5> ActionParsnip: Acer TravelMate P273-MB
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> ns5: why was that not in the initial question?
[14:45] <ns5> raub: I wish I could do that
[14:45] <tucemiux> Could not calculate the upgrade o.O
[14:45] <makara> why is there an .ssh key for the root user anyway? wouldn't everyone come in through their own username?
[14:45] <ns5> ActionParsnip: I am wondering maybe there
[14:46] <ns5> ActionParsnip: maybe there's a way to do it by command line
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> ns5: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1239346
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> ns5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AcerTravelMateB113
[14:46] <ns5> ActionParsnip: I filed the bug
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> ns5: acer always use stupid acpi stuff
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> ns5: its not very well filed, read the reply
[14:47] <sasmit87> uuuuhhhhh......I am on my ubuntu OS now
[14:47] <ns5> ActionParsnip: uh... I don't think I have anything more to add in the bug..
[14:48] <sasmit87> got connected to internet via my usb modem..thanks to http://champsviews.blogspot.in/2012/05/using-tata-photon-huawei-e156-on-ubuntu.html
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> ns5: read the reply you have been given
[14:48] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, back, what was the command to check my gpu again?
[14:48] <Mrdarknezz> The ubuntu website is broken on the android chrome browser
[14:48] <sasmit87> that made my day
[14:48] <Mrdarknezz> where do you report bugs like that?
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> ns5: change the package that is affected
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> ns5: thats what it says...
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> ns5: " It seems that your bug report is not filed about a specific source package though"
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> ns5: can you see that line?
[14:49] <ns5> ActionParsnip: but I really don't know which package causes this
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> ns5: i'd say acpi
[14:50] <Cingulate> how can i enable start menu icon ? gnome classic with ubuntu 12.04
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> ns5: seems your CPU is a i5-3230M which has an Intel GPU, the system also has an Nvdia GPU, so you will need Bumblebee
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> ns5: did you install Bumblebee?
[14:51] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, whats the command to check what gpu i have
[14:51] <ns5> ActionParsnip: It's intel integrated graphics, and no nvidia
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: sudo lshw -C display
[14:52] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, post here or in pastebin?
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> ns5: is it an Acer Travelmate P273-MG ?
[14:52] <memyself> problem in loading THE SIMS on Wine in 12.04
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: just let us know if there is only nvidia or nvidia+intel
[14:52] <memyself> plz guide
[14:52] <ns5> ActionParsnip: It's got an Intel Celeon 1000M cpu
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> memyself: did you check the wine appdb
[14:53] <oscalation> nothing listed with that command, just nvidia g92 geforce gts 250
[14:53] <memyself> wats that??
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: ok, install the nvidia-current package and reboot
[14:53] <memyself> how do i check
[14:53] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, just has nvidia listed
[14:53] <ActionParsnip> memyself: go find out
[14:53] <Cingulate> how can i enable start menu icon ? gnome classic with ubuntu 12.04
[14:53] <memyself> plz tell how do i check
[14:53] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, "nvidia-current is already the newest version."
[14:54] <oal> Is it possible to see what commands were used to build packages in apt? What ./configure flags etc, to build your own, but keep the same file locations etc
[14:54] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, where would i look for a possible log for the last freeze up?
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: try:  sudo nvidia-xconfig    then reboot
[14:54] <oal> I know I can get build dependencies with apt-get build-dep, but not how to get flags etc
[14:54] <indyj> memyself :  tail -f /var/log/messages
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> !appdb | memyself
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> memyself: or a google search for 'appdb' even shows it up..... first link...
[14:55] <ns5> ActionParsnip: I set the package of the bug to 'acpi', I hope it could help raising attention of Ubuntu developers.
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> ns5:  acpi-support then
[14:55] <oscalation> ActionParsnip, i get a validatino error, incomplete file in /etc/x11/xorg.conf    is that normal?
[14:56] <memyself> i did check that...it shows The Sims in bronze category...wat does tht mean
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> oscalation: yes, it just made you an xorg.conf, reboot to tst. If you get no screen drop to root recovery mode
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> memyself: not very good
[14:56] <oscalation> kk thanks
[14:56] <ns5> ActionParsnip: you are right, it should be acpi-support
[14:56] <memyself> should i forget it then
[14:57] <memyself> or r there other options
[14:57] <mbeierl> memyself, you should probably check in #whinehq instead of here, as that is really a wine question, not general Ubuntu support.
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> memyself: you'll find much of it doesnt work, it may work in Cedega
[14:57] <lazik> I'm using python3.2 : locale.setlocale(locale.LC_NUMERIC, 'English_Canada.1252') and it crashes with exception : locale.Error: unsupported locale setting .  I'm in ubuntu 12.04, how do I install the english_canada.1252 ?
[14:57] <memyself> pray what is that
[14:57] <memyself> wine like application???
[14:58] <mbeierl> memyself, WINE is an application, Ubuntu is the Operating System.  For specific application support using WINE, the IRC channel #winehq will have better answers than this channel.
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> memyself: its similar
[14:59] <mbeierl> memyself, sorry - did not know who you were asking that question of, so I answered as if it were directed to me
[14:59] <ns5> raub: do you know how to remap these keys?
[15:01] <xtriz> thumbs, when i did wget -r http://link_to_the_server/folder1/folder2 it downloads all the folder from the root directory
[15:02] <pcoder> Hi, how do I change the language of the OS? I changed /etc/default/locale with the corresponding locale, but the language does not change.
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> pcoder: i use localepurge but i removes all the locales I dont use and keebs english GB :)
[15:06] <pcoder> ActionParsnip: Sorry, I dont get you. Could you please elaborate?
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> pcoder: when you install localepurge it tells you to select the locale to keep and then it removes the rest
[15:07] <qfu> 有人?
[15:07] <pcoder> ActionParsnip: In fact, I have a partial change of language. Some softwares show english words, while the rest still the old language. Do you have any suggestions for this?
[15:08] <DJones> !cn | qfu
[15:09] <nabn> hi. i am using gnome session fallback on ubuntu 13.04. every time i (accidentally) drag an item to the top bar  (of the desktop, the one with Applications and Places menu and all the volume, battery meters on the right), it gets stuck there. and i can't seem to find a way to remove those useless icons. right click doesnt help, nor does left click. How do i remove those icons please?
[15:10] <TH90> Hello people! Does anybody know when they will update the "ubuntu phone 1.0" to the version when we can use it as full desktop when docked?
[15:10] <gugaua> Hello, how can I setup an user with cyrus? usually you do user.<nameofuser> but I´d like to name it like user@domain.tld
[15:12] <krz> are the packages of 13.10 also updated?
[15:12] <ActionParsnip> krz: yes
[15:12] <krz> ie. tmux, vim etc
[15:12] <popey> TH90: aim is 14.10
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> popey: 14.10 wont be out for 12 months
[15:13] <krz> how bout 15.10?
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> krz: guess
[15:13] <popey> ActionParsnip: Well done. Have a gold star  *   (you may need to print that and colour it in)
[15:13] <krz> i cant wait for 15.10
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> krz: look at the version numbers, and think
[15:13] <krz> no man, 15.10 is the shiz
[15:13] <Ari-Yang> krz: this Earth might have blown up by the time 15.10 is out
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> popey: hehe :)
[15:13] <Ari-Yang> krz: and you will not exist
[15:14] <krz> if you havent heard of it ActionParsnip, google it
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> krz: google what?
[15:14] <krz> the world
[15:14] <TH90> But i want it!
[15:14] <krz> so do i
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> krz: i prefer to quack
[15:14] <Ari-Yang> !offtopic
[15:15] <pcoder_> ActionParsnip: Thanks for the localepurge tool. It is cool.
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> pcoder_: yeah its not bad, saves disk space too as it is run after each package is installed, keep the other locales out
[15:18] <wilee-nilee> nabn, I believe you press the ctrl or alt key for this
[15:18] <kartoffelfreund> hy fellows...
[15:19] <kartoffelfreund> I have a problem: Since my Update do 13.10 everey ubuntu session crashes/fails with an error: failed to load session ubuntu
[15:19] <LukeL> !info bumblebee
[15:20] <kartoffelfreund> gnome or the mint desktop work well
[15:20] <jasonp> i'm having a strange problem with ubuntu 12.04. if i alt-tab too quickly, i get the "type your command" popup. this only happens with one of my keyboards, so i checked the key events with `showkey` and both keyboards seem identical there.
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> kartoffelfreund: are you using Mint?
[15:20] <kartoffelfreund> no. i had to install the dekstop to use nemo
[15:20] <jasonp> to clarify, alt-tab is successful either way, it just sometimes also opens the command menu
[15:21] <justafrust> 'mornin
[15:21] <justafrust> anyone have an ati radeon 7990 with ubuntu 13.04 running kernel 3.8 and actually have it working properly?
[15:22] <justafrust> fglrxinfo still shows:
[15:22] <justafrust> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[15:22] <justafrust> instead of AMD
[15:22] <justafrust> it's a 7970 chip in there
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: run:  sudo lshw -C display    what video chips do you see?
[15:22] <justafrust> running now
[15:23] <Ari-Yang> justafrust: what do you get when you type this in terminal? lspci | grep VGA
[15:23] <justafrust> shows 7900 series
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: amd or nvidia?
[15:23] <justafrust> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI New Zealand [Radeon HD 7900 Series]
[15:23] <justafrust> 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI New Zealand [Radeon HD 7900 Series]
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: then where is nvidia coming from?
[15:23] <justafrust> fglrxinfo
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: does your motherboard have an onboard nvidia gpu?
[15:23] <justafrust> display: localhost:10.0  screen: 0
[15:23] <justafrust> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[15:23] <justafrust> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 9300 GE/PCIe/SSE2
[15:23] <justafrust> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (3.3.0)
[15:24] <justafrust> that's why i'm left confused
[15:24] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: does your motherboard have an onboard nvidia gpu?
[15:25] <justafrust> to be honest, i'd have to verify the model i've got on there
[15:25] <Ari-Yang> lspci | grep VGA should list all gpus
[15:25] <nabn> wilee-nilee, sorry. i dont think i follow. i press the ctrl or alt key and do what again
[15:25] <justafrust> just shows the ati chips
[15:25] <nabn> reposting: hi. i am using gnome session fallback on ubuntu 13.04. every time i (accidentally) drag an item to the top bar  (of the desktop, the one with Applications and Places menu and all the volume, battery meters on the right), it gets stuck there. and i can't seem to find a way to remove those useless icons. right click doesnt help, nor does left click. How do i remove those icons please?
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: check in BIOS to see if there is an Nvidia GPU and disable it
[15:25] <justafrust> catalyst control center won't run either, it says the driver's not functioning properly
[15:26] <wilee-nilee> nabn, right click, I have used it so just going from what I have seen.
[15:26] <wilee-nilee> have not*
[15:27] <nabn> wilee-nilee, wow! that works!! thanks a million!
[15:27] <wilee-nilee> nabn, no problem, enjoy.
[15:27] <justafrust> GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD7 AM3+ AMD 990FX motherboard
[15:28] <justafrust> gonna take a look now
[15:28] <guest___> Iam on the live usb of Ubuntu and I can't get the wifi working. It says that the hardware is blocked but I have no hardware switch for wifi, only an airplane mode button which does a soft block, not a hard block. How can I get wifi?
[15:28] <pcallday> cpu?
[15:28] <justafrust> doesn't seem to have nvidia built in
[15:29] <pcallday> how do i type in special character on ubuntu
[15:29] <guest___> I tried "rfkill unblock all" but that only does the soft block, not the hard block.
[15:29] <pcallday> stars whatever...
[15:29] <gordonjcp> pcallday: <ctrl-shift-u> then the unicode number
[15:29] <gordonjcp> pcallday: or right-alt and a character, then the letter
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> justafrust: ahhhh seems seems to be a crossfire / nvidia-li thing
[15:29] <pcallday> thanks gordonjcp
[15:30] <gordonjcp> pcallday: like to type an "o" with a diaresis, right-alt square-bracket, o
[15:30] <justafrust> ActionParsnip: i've been at this 2 weeks
[15:30] <justafrust> literally heh
[15:30] <justafrust> either the catalyst drivers claimed the card wasn't supported
[15:30] <justafrust> or didn't function properly
[15:31] <justafrust> it's weird
[15:31] <gugaua> Hello, I have set up cyrus-imapd and I am connected to it but I dont have a Inbox can somone help me?
[15:33] <kartoffelfreund> no one an idea for my unity failure?
[15:33] <wilee-nilee> guest___, At best you would identify the hardware to the channel.
[15:34] <guest___> wilee-nilee: How?
[15:35] <wilee-nilee> guest___, internal lspci in the terminal, a usb lsusb
[15:35] <PimpSmurf-school> I'm trying to do boot repair: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[15:36] <PimpSmurf-school> Unfortuately, the wifi drivers on 13.10 for my intel 7260 do not work (it recognizes the device, but doesn't show any networks in the gui. I can scan for networks at console, but don't have tools needed to setup wifi from the console..)
[15:36] <Jazlin17> heylooooooo people
[15:36] <PimpSmurf-school> So I can't just download it and use it from the live CD. Any ideas? other iso's with boot-repair
[15:36] <Jazlin17> there is alot of us on here
[15:36] <guest___> wilee-nilee: The network controller is Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)
[15:37] <bazhang> !ot | Jazlin17
[15:37] <PimpSmurf-school> Jazlin17: new version out today brings the masses
[15:37] <wilee-nilee> guest___, pastebin all of the lspci info, I'm only your help for getting to the actual hardware.
[15:38] <guest___> wilee-nilee: Uh, how do I do that without internet?
[15:38] <PimpSmurf-school> My 7260 isn't working either, but it is rev 0x144
[15:38] <wilee-nilee> guest___, Ah never mind that looks correct ask for help using the help to the channel is all.
[15:38] <sleepee> ive got a 7260 as well
[15:39] <wilee-nilee> guest___, that hardware info with your request is what I meant.
[15:39] <sleepee> mine works, but drops connection about every 5 minutes or so
[15:39] <guest___> wilee-nilee: Wait, what kernel specifically is 13.10 running?
[15:39] <sleepee> 3.11.0-12-generic
[15:40] <PimpSmurf-school> sleepee: dmesg |grep wifi
[15:40] <PimpSmurf-school> sleepee: What revision/
[15:40] <PimpSmurf-school> ?
[15:40] <sleepee> rev 73
[15:40] <wilee-nilee> guest___, No idea, uname -a should say, the "Intel Corporation Wireless 7260" is the key. Does it run with ethernet?
[15:40] <sleepee> the dmesg output is looong...
[15:40] <sleepee> should i throw it up on pastebin?
[15:40] <PimpSmurf-school> sleepee: yeah I |grep it
[15:41] <guest___> wilee-nilee: There is no ethernet port on the laptop, I ordered an ethernet to usb cord but I don't have it yet.
[15:41] <MonkeyDust> sleepee  use tail or head
[15:41] <Jazlin17> i love fear3
[15:41] <PimpSmurf-school> dmesg used to be like 2 80x25 console pages long. heh
[15:41] <sleepee> even with grep... i'm using the iwlwifi module so there's a whole bunch of lines that get returned
[15:41] <guest___> wilee-nilee: 3.11.0-12. Shoot. Only 3.11.0-13 supports it. haha
[15:42] <wilee-nilee> .guest___ I doubt ubuntu will run on a computer to old to have a ethernet port, is this the case the age?
[15:42] <ddssc> how do I set DeafultDirectory for specific user? I want user foo to be chrooted to a dir that is not his home dir
[15:42] <ddssc> . Im using DefaultRoot <path> <group> in proftpd.conf and it doesn't work
[15:42] <PimpSmurf-school> sadface...
[15:42] <guest___> wilee-nilee: No, the laptop is brand new.
[15:42] <ddssc> proftpd question btw
[15:42] <guest___> wilee-nilee: It's THIN, so they needed to cut the big ports haha
[15:43] <wilee-nilee> guest___, This a tablet?
[15:43] <guest___> wilee-nilee: Wait, maybe 3.11 is supported.
[15:43] <guest___> wilee-nilee: It's a convertable. Yoga 2 Pro.
[15:43] <sleepee> i'm going to use pastebin just to be neat.  give me a sec
[15:44] <Jazlin17> does anyone how much it is to fix a metro PCS fone screen
[15:44] <TandyUK> anyone know whether the BlackGold series of tuners works with ubuntu? considering buying a pair or BGT3600 Dual DVB-T2/DVB-C, Dual DVB-S2 if they are compatible
[15:45] <sleepee> http://pastebin.com/WELtP7WS
[15:45] <sleepee> there's my dmesg output
[15:45] <repozitor> during the installing gnome(installing by apt-fast) i got this error
[15:45] <repozitor> http://dpaste.com/1420227/
[15:45] <Ivaldi_> Anyone else having problems with 13.10 and a laptop with an integrated intel card and a dedicated nvidia card? Booting the normal way won't even let me into a terminal.
[15:45] <sleepee> 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 [8086:08b2] (rev 73)
[15:46] <sleepee> that's my wifi card
[15:46] <repozitor> and now i can't install any other package
[15:46] <repozitor> help me please.
[15:46] <sleepee> man, today's going to be a busy day in the irc
[15:47] <hitsujiTMO> repozitor: try: sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get -f install
[15:47] <guest___> sleepee: I just saw that you have the same wireless pretty much. What computer do you have and how new is it?
[15:47] <repozitor> hhhm, why i should run clean?
[15:47] <Malinux> is it possible to run ubuntu 12.04 with linux-kernel 2.6.38-8? Why am I asking? suspend when closing laptoplid works until that version, but not on newer kernels
[15:47] <hallmatt> DAMN, Ubuntu Customization Kit no longer works.  Just building a stock 13.10 ISO returns the message "FAILED TO BUILD GFXBOOT THEME"
[15:47] <repozitor> hitsujiTMO, if i clean it, my packages will be removed!
[15:48] <repozitor> is this correct?
[15:48] <hitsujiTMO> no, the cache is removed
[15:48] <hitsujiTMO> not the packages, one of the packages in your cache is corrupt
[15:48] <justafrust> well this blows
[15:48] <justafrust> why the hell would fglrx be using nvidia
[15:48] <justafrust> i'm about to just give up and toss win on there
[15:48] <MonkeyDust> justafrust  please calm down
[15:48] <justafrust> as much as i hate to
[15:49] <sleepee> it's a lenovo u430 touch.  i bought it about 2 weeks ago, but i'm not sure how long the wifi card specifically has been out on the market.
[15:49] <justafrust> i'm calm, just frustrated =)
[15:49] <guest___> sleepee: Does that laptop have screen rotation?
[15:49] <sleepee> maybe.  i'm not sure what that even is.  lol!
[15:49] <hallmatt> I'll try this, this might fix my issue with UCK  -        Solution: install "libfribidi-bin" package fixes the problem.
[15:50] <TuxBlackEdo> How would I go about getting a usb wireless card to load? I installed a minimal ubuntu system and I need to just enable the wireless drivers (I believe brcm80211) The chipset is BCM43236. It is an AE2500 by cisco
[15:50] <sleepee> what is that?
[15:50] <Ivaldi_> anyone else with a Zenbook who can't boot 13.10 properly?
[15:50] <guest___> sleepee: I mean, does the screen rotate like a tablet does when you physically rotate the device?
[15:51] <hitsujiTMO> Ivaldi_: try booting with nomodeset
[15:51] <MonkeyDust> Ivaldi_  i have issues trying to install 13.10, too... live session runs normally
[15:52] <sleepee> ohhhh.. no.  afaik, i don't have that feature.  it's a touch screen, but not the kind where you can flip the screen all the way over and use it as a tablet in that way.
[15:52] <Ivaldi_> hitsujiTMO: I get past the bootloader, but once X should start everything freezes. Can't even ctrl+alt+F* my way to another TTY. I'm now running headless through recovery mode (non-root)
[15:53] <hitsujiTMO> Ivaldi_ is this from an upgrade or clean install?
[15:53] <Ivaldi_> hitsujiTMO: an upgrade from 13.04
[15:54] <AFinn> Hello, I'm trying to update to 13.10 from 13.04 but at the "setting software channels" stage I get the error "could not calculate upgrade". I have removed fingerprint reader, chrome and dropbox, as I believe those were the only packages installed ubuntu repos. Still no luck. How to continue?
[15:54] <Ivaldi_> MonkeyDust: oh really? which computer are you on? I got this from an upgrade though, and not a clean install
[15:54] <AFinn> installed outside ubuntu repos*
[15:56] <hitsujiTMO> afinn can you post your apt.log
[15:56] <sleepee> guest___: http://shop.lenovo.com/eg/en/laptops/ideapad/u-series/u430-touch/
[15:56] <sleepee> that's what i've got
[15:56] <sleepee> anyway, i swear my wifi was working fine until a recent update
[15:56] <sleepee> a couple days ago i think i updated NetworkManager, then i started getting dropping issues...  but maybe i just wasn't paying enough attention before.
[15:56] <Jazlin17> i am sparta
[15:56] <Jazlin17> !!!!
[15:56] <sleepee> guest__: what exactly is happening with your wifi card?  do you also get drops or can you not connect at all?
[15:57] <FiremanEd> AFinn: Try unchecking in software&updates all the checked items in other software
[15:57] <bazhang> Jazlin17, #ubuntu-offtopic , NOT here
[15:57] <guest___> sleepee: I'm surprised that you have wifi! My problem is that the hardware switch is disabled or whatnot. So the wifi is hard blocked, but not softblocked, and I can't unblock it.
[15:58] <Jazlin17> what?
[15:58] <bazhang> !ot | Jazlin17
[15:58] <sleepee> does it show up in your lscpi -nn output?
[15:59] <Jazlin17> oh god sorry i forgot again
[15:59] <sleepee> i meant lspci -nn
[15:59] <Jazlin17> ubottu sorry
[16:00] <nbf> anyone know how to get intel gpus working with 13.10?
[16:00] <Jazlin17> ubottu ur a robot correct?
[16:00] <AFinn> FiremanEd, I unchecked everything in "other software", didn't help.
[16:00] <Jazlin17> lol i wont
[16:00] <nbf> it says it loads intel in the Xorg config but I'm getting the vmware glx implementation (yay software mode!)
[16:00] <mistake> i'm having an issue with a pdf, it won't print (it prints a blank page); when i convert using pdftops, i also get a blank ps file
[16:01] <nbf> why do these releases keep getting worse
[16:01] <Jazlin17> ubottu i love robots!!!
[16:01] <sleepee> a bot with emotions??  what is this?  eagle eye?  are you skynet?
[16:01] <guest___> sleepee: It shows up in lscpi as "Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)"
[16:02] <FiremanEd> AFinn: Look at this link, scroll to "For a "NonPainful" release upgrade"  http://askubuntu.com/questions/202730/how-to-fix-the-unable-to-calculate-upgrade-issue-when-upgrading-from-12-04-to
[16:04] <xtriz> i have downloaded a source file from the ubuntu repository, in it i can't find any configure file ? how can i compile without it ?
[16:04] <SonikkuAmerica> xtriz: Which?
[16:04] <designbybeck> ...OOOPppss. I seemed to hae installed Ubuntu 13.10, but I have to have my USB jump drive plugged in before it boots? Otherwwise I get a Blankscreen with a cursor blinking and that is it.
[16:04] <sleepee> hmmm... my original problem with networking in general.  with NetworkManager i couldn't connect thru wifi or lan cable at all.  i manually connected to my wifi thru command line with wpa_supplicant.  after i connected once, magically i was able to connect via NetworkManager afterwards.
[16:05] <xtriz> SonikkuAmerica, xchat
[16:05] <gdos> which service controls alsa? for some reason also is not loading at boot so i find myself typing the command 'sudo also force-reload' each time i login.
[16:05] <sleepee> not sure if you could try connecting to your wifi through your terminal and seeing if that works... i'm just spitballing here...
[16:06] <SonikkuAmerica> xtriz: You don't need source for that... Just [ sudo apt-get install xchat ]
[16:07] <xtriz> SonikkuAmerica, i am just trying to do it from source, to learn things.
[16:07] <designbybeck> and SonikkuAmerica, we ended up taking back that HP 2000, got an Asus 501 laptop and got Linux install and a ton of useful software on it, and it is on its way to Malawi, Africa. So thanks for the help
[16:07] <Ari-Yang> xtriz: I recommend hexchat over xchat....
[16:08] <Ari-Yang> xtriz: http://hexchat.github.io/
[16:08] <xtriz> Ari-Yang, checking out hexchat
[16:08] <systemfish> zup. Any short commands to minimize a window?
[16:08] <xtriz> Ari-Yang, :)
[16:08] <SonikkuAmerica> designbybeck: Beautiful.
[16:08] <Ari-Yang> xtriz: https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/hexchat-stable
[16:08] <SonikkuAmerica> xtriz: xchat.org/compiling
[16:08] <Rory> systemfish: Ctrl + Super + Down
[16:09] <Rory> systemfish: Hold Super to see keyboard shortcuts
[16:09] <wilee-nilee> designbybeck: if your getting that screen without the usb are you sure grub is in the mbr, or boot partition if uefi
[16:09] <sleepee> is there anybody else out there experiencing wifi connection drops??  specifically with an Intel 7260 wifi card?
[16:09] <designbybeck> wilee-nilee: when I booted the usb, I did it in uefi I think, so when I did a full install, I'm not sure where it went
[16:10] <sleepee> and running ubuntu 13.10
[16:10] <Rory> sleepee: I'd recommend first changing the channel your wireless network broadcasts on, using your router settings, to see if this fixes it
[16:10] <designbybeck> wilee-nilee:  would I have to do the boot-repair-disk and fix that issue? If so might it be easiest if I just reinstalled and if I did that what might I do differently?
[16:11] <wilee-nilee> designbybeck: I would try the bootrepair app, grub is not in the right place most likely.
[16:11] <systemfish> thanks rory
[16:11] <designbybeck> bootrepair, being the other ISO you download and boot from to fix grub wilee-nilee ?
[16:11] <sleepee> hmmmm.. i'll try that out.  even though my router seems to work just fine with every other wireless device in my house...  but i'll check it out.
[16:12] <Rory> designbybeck: First check your BIOS settings to make sure you are set to boot from the right drive
[16:12] <wilee-nilee> designbybeck:  you can use the regular install live or theirs.
[16:12] <designbybeck> ah
[16:12] <Rory> designbybeck: Other than that, it's possible the bootloader was somehow installed to the USB flash drive instead, in which case you'll have to repair Grub
[16:12] <designbybeck> ok let me try to reboot off this USB and try that
[16:12] <Rory> !grub | designbybeck use the link to "repair grub after installing Windows"
[16:13] <guest___> sleepee: What command in wpa_supplicant do I run?
[16:13] <designbybeck> Ok thanks Rory and wilee-nilee I'm going to reboot and try that
[16:13] <wilee-nilee> designbybeck: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair  save the bootinfo summary.
[16:13] <AFinn> I removed the other sources but when i then try to upgrade i get the error again and then the sources are back.
[16:14] <tarakesh_> anyone help me learn bash scripting??
[16:14] <AFinn> thoroughly confusing
[16:14] <designbybeck> wilee-nilee:  ok looking now
[16:14] <Rory> tarakesh_: ask in #bash please, this is the Ubuntu support channel
[16:14] <gdos> tarakesh_ try #bash
[16:14] <tarakesh_> thx
[16:14] <xtriz> SonikkuAmerica, is their a difference if i get the source from xchat.org/compiling and apt-get source xchat ?
[16:14] <sleepee> guest___:  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant
[16:14] <Rory> xtriz: Yes, if there are Ubuntu-specific patches to the source
[16:14] <sleepee> arch has a good little write up on how to connect.
[16:15] <Rory> xtriz: Using apt-get source also means you will get the same version as apt-get install would provide
[16:15] <sleepee> basically, you run wpa_passphrase <ssid> <password>
[16:15] <sleepee> actually, run wpa_passphrase <ssid> <password> > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:17] <xtriz> Rory, but in the source from apt-get source there is no configure file. the how i am suppose to compile that package  ?
[16:17] <sleepee> then wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf
[16:17] <sleepee> then dhclient wlan0
[16:17] <Dooma> Hello! Does anyone know how could I run a bash script without modify data from disk? Somthing like a sandbox?
[16:18] <bean__> Dooma: unless you're on a read only filesystem it's unlikely.
[16:18] <Ivaldi_> anyone with an optimus setup having problems with 13.10?
[16:19] <Dooma> What I want to do is to test my bash scripts(run them until they do what I want), and avoid destroying test files.
[16:19] <guest___> sleepee: DOesn't work, I get the error  message from rfkill that the wifi is hard blocked.
[16:19] <sleepee> ok.  i changed my router's channel.  it was on channel 6.  i set it to Auto.  let's see if i get any drops.  shouldn't take more than 3 or 4 minutes to tell..
[16:19] <gordonjcp> guest___: are you using an HP/Compaq laptop?
[16:19] <Rory> xtriz: You use the dpkg-buildpackage command
[16:19] <guest___> gordonjcp: Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro
[16:19] <Rory> xtriz: It has the Debian/Ubuntu build scripts not a custom ./configure like when you get it from upstream
[16:20] <gordonjcp> guest___: okay, how old is that?
[16:20] <guest___> gordonjcp: Wireless is hard blocked
[16:20] <guest___> gordonjcp: This week
[16:20] <gordonjcp> hm
[16:20] <xtriz> Rory, so i have to do dpkg-buildpackage name_of_the_package ?
[16:20] <gordonjcp> guest___: a thing that used to crop up with oldish Intel chipsets is that you get that message when you've got an ethernet cable plugged in
[16:21] <guest___> gordonjcp: No ethernet
[16:21] <xtriz> xtriz, that command didn't worked it ask
[16:21] <xtriz> ask's for more options to be specified.
[16:21] <sleepee> i'll let the pros handle that one.  this one's out of my league
[16:21] <gordonjcp> guest___: now on my old HP laptop I needed to go in the BIOS and turn that feature off, because it got its knickers in a twist occasionally and hard-blocked wifi even without a cable in
[16:21] <Rory> xtriz: Take a look here http://askubuntu.com/questions/28372/how-do-i-get-the-source-code-of-packages-installed-through-apt-get
[16:24] <sleepee> well... changing the channel to auto didn't work.  i'll try to changing it to a specific channel and see if that works out.
[16:25] <xtriz> Rory, that link is quite helpful thanks :)
[16:25] <Rory> xtriz: No problem, thought it'd be easier to just link you that than try to explain on here
[16:27] <exalt> hello, i installed ubuntu on an optimuslaptop in discrete mode,i then installed nvidia-319 with nvidia-prime and rebooted
[16:27] <exalt> all i see is a blurred screen
[16:27] <exalt> what do i do now ?
[16:27] <xtriz> Rory, he he he
[16:30] <crash_> Hello. I cant seem to install any software without it saying -"Package dependencies cannot be resolved". Help..
[16:30] <MonkeyDust> crash_  what ubuntu version?
[16:31] <crash_> MonkeyDust 13.04
[16:31] <daninoz> Hi guys, I have a reserved partition made by windows and I don't want that partition to appear on nautilus, what can i do?
[16:31] <MonkeyDust> crash_  in a terminal, type    sudo apt-get update    then try again
[16:33] <PimpSmurf-school> My USB thumb drive causes a "unable to read config index 0 descriptor/start: -71" error to scroll the console
[16:33] <crash_> MonkeyDust still same problem
[16:34] <sleepee> well, changing the router's channel didn't work.  i'm pretty convinced the problem is just the wifi card.  i swear it worked fine until an update a couple days ago.
[16:35] <sleepee> i'm using the same iwlwifi module as before when it worked fine.
[16:35] <sleepee> i wish there was a way to roll back an update....
[16:35] <kartoffelfreund> hey folks. ive created backups with deja-dup wich are saved on my own server via ssh... since the upgrade to 13.10 feiled (unity does not start and throws me back to lightdm) i want to load a backup i recently created...
[16:36] <MonkeyDust> crash_  what's the output of    sudo apt-get update    use pastebinit to show us
[16:36] <kartoffelfreund> since gnom2 crashes i like to do this via tty...
[16:36] <kartoffelfreund> is this possible?
[16:37] <sleepee> i had that same gui login problem before.  i forgot how i fixed it.
[16:37] <wilee-nilee> kartoffelfreund: gnome 2?
[16:37] <kartoffelfreund> yes
[16:37] <kartoffelfreund> but it fails with unity
[16:37] <xtriz> Rory, done :)
[16:38] <kartoffelfreund> errormessgae is something like cant restore session ubuntu
[16:38] <wilee-nilee> kartoffelfreund: how are you using gnome 2, this the fallback?
[16:38] <kartoffelfreund> i think so... chose it in lightdm as session.
[16:38] <crash_> MonkeyDust http://pastebin.com/rR2HdKfR
[16:39] <zbrkxbr> guys I need help
[16:39] <zbrkxbr> I updated lubuntu to 13.10 but after the update
[16:39] <zbrkxbr> it turns open-box
[16:39] <Ericx2x> I'm applying for a job and they have a requirement that says "Monitor application and server-side performance metrics." does anyone know what that means?
[16:40] <wilee-nilee> kartoffelfreund: gnome 2 it is not, it would not run,  be clear as to what is going on.
[16:40] <pac1> What version of OSG will flightegear 3.0 use?
[16:40] <kartoffelfreund> @wilee: maybe its the fallback mode, i don't know
[16:41] <bean__> Ericx2x: not really an ubuntu support question :) they just mean that they want you to be able to monitor servers, and the exposed metrics from applications running on said servers.
[16:41] <subz3r0> kartoffelfreund: there is a german support channel, too. not sure if you know it :) #ubuntu-de
[16:41] <WarloK> Hello
[16:41] <kartoffelfreund> @ wilee: is it the / notice command to directly write someone?
[16:41] <kartoffelfreund> @ subz3r0 thx
[16:42] <steef> hy
[16:42] <WarloK> é_è
[16:42] <wilee-nilee> kartoffelfreund: understandable, however maybe and I don't know get in the way of actual help. tab completes nicks.
[16:45] <kartoffelfreund> wilee-nilee, thx
[16:45] <`Dooku> Can't install a psyBNC on Ubuntu :((
[16:45] <`Dooku> HELP
[16:46] <xtriz> how to install .deb package ?
[16:46] <WarloK> 10.04 god tier ubuntu !!!
[16:46] <ikonia> `Dooku: you need to ask a formulated question explaining the problem
[16:47] <crash_> any help?
[16:47] <ikonia> xtriz: before answring what are you trying to install ?
[16:47] <ikonia> crash_: saying "any help" is worthless as I have no idea what you need help with unless you state the problem at the same time
[16:47] <xtriz> xchat
[16:47] <ikonia> xtriz: you don't need to use a deb for that, it's in the ubuntu repo
[16:47] <ikonia> xtriz: you can install it using the ubuntu package manager
[16:47] <wilee-nilee> xtriz: assuming you checked the repos first, the software center will install it or install gdebi.
[16:47] <xtriz> complied from source
[16:47] <WarloK> xtriz : apt-get install xchat
[16:48] <bean__> WarloK: the desktop version of 10.04 is out of support, though.
[16:48] <ikonia> xtriz: there is no need to compile it from source.
[16:48] <xtriz> ikonia, just for learning
[16:49] <ikonia> xtriz: you shouldn't do that as it has implications, you should be using test packages that won't conflict.
[16:49] <ikonia> xtriz: to be honest - if you don't know how to install a deb, I doubt you have been able to compile/build a dev
[16:49] <ikonia> deb even
[16:49] <ikonia> dep
[16:49] <crash_> i'm getting "Package dependencies cannot be resolved" when trying to install software. Sudo apt-get update returns this [http://pastebin.com/rR2HdKfR].
[16:50] <Ziber> Hey, any known IPv6 issues with 13.10?
[16:50] <ikonia> crash_: what software are you trying to install ?
[16:50] <ikonia> Ziber: no
[16:50] <Ziber> hrm. :(
[16:50] <ikonia> Ziber: you can also check launchpad.net for known bugs
[16:50] <WarloK> crash_: sudo apt-get update --fix-missing
[16:50] <jhutchins> Ziber: Other that the issues that haven't been implemented or resolved yet in the spec.
[16:50] <hadifarnoud> how can I remove all files and folders except one?
[16:50] <hadifarnoud> via command of course
[16:50] <ikonia> crash_: you also have conflicting repos in that output,
[16:51] <alekto> How can I remove words/names from a file that are shorter than  2 characters? Thanks in advanced!
[16:51] <TandyUK> looking for someone who owns a blackgold tuner and runs ubuntu
[16:51] <ikonia> TandyUK: just ask your question
[16:51] <TandyUK> ikonia i have repeatedly for 2 WEEKS
[16:51] <TandyUK> anyone know whether the BlackGold series of tuners works with ubuntu? considering buying a pair or BGT3600 Dual DVB-T2/DVB-C, Dual DVB-S2 if they are compatible
[16:51] <ikonia> TandyUK: I've never seen it
[16:52] <ikonia> TandyUK: what chipset is on that tuner card?
[16:52] <`Dooku> ikonia I am trying to install psyBNC following the instructions but I keep getting an eror
[16:52] <ikonia> `Dooku: what instructions ?
[16:52] <crash_> ikonia. what can i do about that?
[16:52] <jhutchins> TandyUK: So aparently nobody who uses this channel knows the answer.  Contact the manufacturer.
[16:52] <`Dooku> ikonia https://help.ubuntu.com/community/psyBNC
[16:52] <TuxBlackEdo> I can't use ndiswrapper on an arm based device if I am trying to load 32bit/64bit drivers from windows, right?
[16:52] <xtriz> ikonia, i told you i am stilll learning :)
[16:53] <ikonia> crash_: sort your repos out - did you read the upgrade instructions, the one about disabling all 3rd party repos before upgrading ? (eg: your stram repos)
[16:53] <ikonia> xtriz: yes, but you should know how to install a deb before trying to build a deb
[16:53] <xtriz> ikonia, hmmm
[16:53] <ikonia> `Dooku: they are terrible instructions.
[16:53] <bean__> TuxBlackEdo: correct. since ARM is a different instruction set.
[16:54] <Dave9> Hi,   Does a CIDR like 192.168.100.0/24 mean anything .0 - .255?
[16:54] <faugusztin> TandyUK: BGT3620 is unsupported : http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T2_PCIe_Cards , not sure if it is same as BGT3600 from hardware standpoint
[16:54] <bean__> Dave9: yes.
[16:54] <`Dooku> ikonia can you recommend a better set?
[16:54] <ikonia> `Dooku: not without searching the web
[16:54] <Dave9> bean__: So that's the same as putting '192.168.100.0 - 192.168.100.255' ?
[16:55] <bean__> usually its better to use CIDR notation, Dave9
[16:55] <Dave9> bean__:  OK Thanks!
[16:55] <TandyUK> faugusztin: that info is from january 2011
[16:56] <`Dooku> ikonia I found this here as well and it has the same intructions: http://mewbies.com/how_to_install_psybnc_tutorial.htm
[16:56] <faugusztin> TandyUK: why do you think the situation changed ? :)
[16:56] <theadmin> Okaay, so I just upgraded to 13.10, and now I can't switch keyboard layouts with Alt+Shift. What gives? How to set it up?
[16:56] <ikonia> `Dooku: yes, and I think they are sloppy and should not be typed blind
[16:57] <ikonia> theadmin: (I didn't know you could do that in the first place)
[16:57] <theadmin> ikonia: Was the default until 13.10...
[16:57] <TandyUK> faugusztin: from the manufacturer: Linux - BGT36xx Source Code Release:
[16:57] <TandyUK> 24/05/2013
[16:57] <ikonia> TandyUK: I had no idea
[16:58] <ikonia> TandyUK: where is it released then, they should be either stating the kernel version it was released into, or the external package.
[16:58] <faugusztin> TandyUK: well that is not an in-kernel driver, but you can try it if you wish. 3rd party drivers are never a good idea in my opinion, as you will have to rebuild them every time new kernel gets released
[16:58] <TandyUK> but id like confirmation from somwone who actually owns one and can confirm the drivers actually work before i go and spend a LOT of money :P
[16:58] <ikonia> TandyUK: the obvious solution would be to contact them and ask them if they are not making it clear on their website
[16:58] <theadmin> I can go to System Settings -> Text Entry and try to change the shortcut there, but pressing Alt+Shift simply does nothing in the shortcut field.
[16:58] <TandyUK> ofc the mfr is going to say it works lol
[16:58] <ikonia> TandyUK: no they are not
[16:58] <andry> meh need a new wifi adapter .. rt2800usb module is extremly buggy since linux > 3.3 :/ a lot of tx drops
[16:58] <TandyUK> i dont 'trust' the mfr, im looking for a thrid party to confirm what they say
[16:58] <jhutchins> TandyUK: Buy one and send it to the developers.
[16:59] <ikonia> TandyUK: they should be able to give you basic information, such as what kernel it was released into, or what external package they supply
[16:59] <ikonia> TandyUK: based on that information, other people should be able to help you
[16:59] <hitsujiTMO> theadmin: system settings -> text entry
[17:00] <theadmin> hitsujiTMO: Right. I press Alt+Shift, it falls back to a weird default of Ctrl+Space instead of accepting my choice.
[17:00] <faugusztin> TandyUK: there is a whopping number of 1 released of that driver, ever (according to their own changelog) :)
[17:00] <theadmin> Ctrl+Alt+T isn't working to open a terminal, either.
[17:00] <hitsujiTMO> theadmin: sorry did not see your later reply
[17:00] <crash_> ikonia  i'm in Pakage Manager, now what do i do?
[17:00] <gdos> which service controls alsa? for some reason also is not loading at boot so i find myself typing the command 'sudo also force-reload' each time i login.
[17:01] <ikonia> crash_: did you read the release notes about disabling 3rd party repos before upgrading ?
[17:01] <TandyUK> faugusztin: and a whopping 0 reports of anyone actually using it sucessfully ;)
[17:01] <theadmin> Hm, maybe logging out and back in would help...
[17:01] <crash_> ikonia: no
[17:01] <theadmin> Be right back.
[17:01] <ikonia> TandyUK: the other thing to consider is if the company is making it this "hidden" what they have released and how - do you trust them to maintain it
[17:01] <ikonia> crash_: ok, so that is an unwise move,
[17:01] <ikonia> !upgrade | crash_
[17:01] <jpedroza2k> So far I am loving the update, with one exception. I get an error trying to use all three of my monitors. _gnome_2drr_2derror_2dquark.Code2:could not set the configuration for CRTC 63
[17:01] <gdos> why not just upgrade from the cd ?
[17:01] <ikonia> crash_: I strongly recommend reading the upgrade notes for future references,
[17:02] <ikonia> crash_: the first thing to do is to remove the precises packages, and remove the references to the precise repos, then update your system and make sure it is "sane" on raring
[17:02] <faugusztin> TandyUK: my opinion is that it will work with the 3.9.1 kernel they developed it against, and with each newer version there is a risk of incompatibility, as kernel API sometimes changes. it's up to you if you will hope it will get to kernel sometime in future, or not. my personal opinion is don't do it
[17:03] <crash_> ikonia: is that covered in them links you provided?
[17:04] <faugusztin> TandyUK: while my DVB-C/T card is depending on 3rd party V4L tree too, it is developed by an independent party, so i am not depending on manufacturer (Digital Devices Cine C/T). Or just get a supported USB DVB-T stick :)
[17:04] <hitsujiTMO> theadmin: i believe alt+shift will not work anymore as there are conflicts with other keyboard commands: <alt><shift>tab = start switcher in reverse
[17:04] <gdos> ikonia: wouldn't it be a lot simpler to update directly from the cd or would you still have to disable the same 3rd party repositories?
[17:05] <faugusztin> TandyUK: previous drivers from them: "The BlackGold 1.0.0.791 BGT36xx series drivers are compiled for the 3.0.0-12 kernel. They don't seem to load on anything later, even say 3.0.0-14."
[17:06] <TandyUK> well you seem to have found way more info than i did :P
[17:06] <TandyUK> seems like its worth avaoiding :(
[17:06] <faugusztin> TandyUK: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1890981
[17:06] <lesshaste> how do you install openoffice ?
[17:06] <TandyUK> i was hoping to put 3 of them into a mythtv, and replace 4 seperate backends with 1
[17:06] <lesshaste> sudo apt-get install openoffice.org fails
[17:07] <jpedroza2k> lesshaste, what is the error you are getting?
[17:07] <lesshaste> Package openoffice.org is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[17:08] <crash_> ikonia: there is no update for 13.10 in Software Updater?
[17:08] <hitsujiTMO> leeshaste i don't believe openoffice is actually in the repo, as libre office is there instead
[17:09] <wilee-nilee> lesshaste: you have to get OpenOffice directly from them and may have to purge libreoffice, why you I do not know.
[17:09] <wilee-nilee> would*
[17:09] <jpedroza2k> lesshaste, you would need to install openoffice through a third party ppa, as Ubuntu has switched to libre office
[17:09] <lesshaste> wilee-nilee, ah ok thanks. .it seems there is something called oxygen openoffice too now
[17:09] <stdaro> is pricing for landscape public info?  anyone have a link?
[17:09] <lesshaste> jpedroza2k, shame libreoffice can't handle pptx files properly
[17:10] <gdos> lesshaste: it can.
[17:10] <lesshaste> gdos, not in my case
[17:10] <gdos> try #libreoffice
[17:10] <jpedroza2k> lesshaste, I have had no major issues with it and pptx files (other than the usual issues moving between platforms). ymmv
[17:10] <hitsujiTMO> lesshaste: libreoffice is openoffice with an alernative ui ... if libreoffice cant open it then openoffice cant
[17:10] <lesshaste> gdos, I have, thanks
[17:10] <lesshaste> hitsujiTMO, ah ok.. I thought they might have worked on the import
[17:11] <lesshaste> hitsujiTMO, maybe oxygen openoffice is the answer
[17:11] <lesshaste> gdos, http://askubuntu.com/questions/130954/why-can-libre-office-not-run-pptx-properly
[17:11] <belgianguy> I can't upgrade my 13.04
[17:11] <belgianguy> I did install propietary drivers
[17:11] <belgianguy> for my AMD card, could that block it ?
[17:12] <belgianguy> it didn't say what packages were conflicting
[17:13] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: look at your apt.log
[17:13] <jpedroza2k> Where would I go to reset my display config back to defaults for 13.10. I had a working setup with 3 monitors in 13.04, but I can only get two in 13.10.
[17:14] <foofoobar> Hi. How do I disable the need for pressing "FN" on my laptop to use special keys like volume up/down ?
[17:15] <belgianguy> jpedroza2k: NVidia?
[17:15] <belgianguy> IIRC they downgraded an ability for Linux 'to keep parity with Windows'
[17:15] <gmachine_24> I have problems with various forms that I fill out on my computer - e.g. in the address bar on Firefox/Chromium; in a terminal when there are folders they are marked with a solid green bar - and I can't read their name(s) without moving my face insanely close to the screen; basically, it is the background color(s) in a lot of programs.
[17:15] <jpedroza2k> belgianguy, nope, just the Intel 4000
[17:15] <wilee-nilee> jpedroza2k: there are compiz resets on the web for 13.10
[17:16] <belgianguy> jpedroza2k: ah, then it's not that, disregard previous comment
[17:16] <Rarrikins> Why does it take about 5 seconds to start listing the files (via `ll`) in my home directory?
[17:16] <gmachine_24> When I type in a url or fill in boxes such as email address and password, I can't read what I am typing because the type and background are too similar in color
[17:17] <tux_> anyone running 13.10 ?
[17:17] <CatKiller> gmachine: Go to the "Appearance" system configuration widget
[17:17] <theadmin> Alright, I edited /etc/default/keyboard and it's fixed now.
[17:17] <CatKiller> you can change your color scheme there
[17:17] <kaduba> Hello. I have a externa ntfs partition and a external ext4 partition, how would I move files between them?
[17:17] <CatKiller> should work
[17:17] <theadmin> tux_: Yeah.
[17:17] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | tux_
[17:17] <a7i3n> Installing 13.10 on my laptop now <---
[17:17] <gmachine_24> CatKiller: All of a sudden I feel really stupid.
[17:17] <jpedroza2k> brb
[17:17] <hitsujiTMO> theadmin: i believe alt+shift will not work anymore as there are conflicts with other keyboard commands: <alt><shift>tab = start switcher in reverse
[17:17] <kaduba> When I try to copy between them, I don't even get the possiblitiy to paste
[17:17] <CatKiller> kaduba: As you would between two ext4 partitions. So long as they are mounted
[17:18] <tux_> theadmin, can you see if you have this little bug, in the security / policy settings...
[17:18] <kaduba> CatKiller: let me try again, and make sure they are mounted.
[17:18] <CatKiller> kaduba: Maybe your NTFS partition is mounted read/only? Could you paste the output of "mount" somewhere?
[17:18] <tux_> theadmin, under diagnostics, is the lock option broken for you ?
[17:18] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: I can't see an apt.log
[17:18] <theadmin> tux_: Security/policy settings? Where would I find that?
[17:18] <belgianguy> could I do the upgrade from the terminal, and have it be more verbose?
[17:18] <CatKiller> gmachine_24: Not easy to know where that widget is to be honest I had to look for it myself once :p
[17:18] <kaduba> CatKiller: where would I find the mount output (since it does it by itself)?
[17:18] <tux_> theadmin, System settings, or just type privacy in dash and it will appear
[17:18] <CatKiller> kaduba: In a terminal type "mount"
[17:19] <CatKiller> you first need to open "terminal" from the launcher
[17:19] <CatKiller> then typing "mount" and pressing "enter"
[17:19] <theadmin> tux_: ...yup, the button does nothing.
[17:19] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: look at logs in /var/log/apt
[17:20] <tux_> theadmin, do you have a launchpad account? wanna file the bug..?
[17:20] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: term.log or history.log?
[17:21] <theadmin> tux_: Might have already been filed... I'm not 100% sure though. But this isn't a clean install, but an upgrade from 13.04, so god knows whether this issue is a real issue or something broke during an upgrade.
[17:21] <theadmin> hitsujiTMO: I dunno. Weird enough. But as stated, I edited /etc/default/keyboard and it works nao.
[17:21] <tux_> theadmin, just installed fresh so ..
[17:22] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: not sure which you need to look at but have a look at the bottom of both ...
[17:22] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: nothing really upgrade related, just something to do with chrome
[17:23] <belgianguy> I'll exit this session and retry
[17:23] <belgianguy> brb
[17:25] <tux_> i noticed the keyboard layout is wrong after saucy fresh install, I choose Ireland / UK and it appears to be USA
[17:26] <hitsujiTMO> tux_: weird i'm on irish and it's set correctly
[17:27] <tux_> hitsujiTMO, i chose that on install hmm.. oh doh, i did remove firefox locale thing, i wonder
[17:29] <tux_> hitsujiTMO, just ran 'gnome-language-selector' said it wasn't fully installed properly, now its downloading libreoffice locale packs and such-- go figure
[17:29] <hitsujiTMO> :)
[17:31] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: I submitted it as a bug report, the apt-log is in there, xserver-all seems to be broken
[17:32] <jpedroza2k> Still can only get two of my three displays running. 13.04 was working, 13.10 will only enable 2 of the three.
[17:32] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154014240/VarLogDistupgradeAptlog.txt
[17:32] <jpedroza2k> Does anyone know where the displays settings module logs its output so I can try and track this down?
[17:33] <jpedroza2k> Nothing in syslog or dmesg
[17:33] <ansong> i have a problem with setting a static ip address on my system. i've removed networkmanager and am using /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces to configure the single NIC in my machine
[17:34] <Rarrikins> Is there something I can do to speed up directory listings? It takes about five seconds to list the files in my home directory if I haven't done so in a while.
[17:34] <Rarrikins> (and there aren't that many files in it)
[17:34] <Rarrikins> It might have something to do with the encryption, but I'm not sure.
[17:34] <hitsujiTMO> belgian thats a lot of broken packages :P
[17:34] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: ^
[17:35] <jpedroza2k> Rarrikins, Is it possible that the HDD is spinning down and then has to spin up again for the listing? Just a thought of course.
[17:35] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: can I boot in recovery mode
[17:35] <Rarrikins> Maybe
[17:35] <tux_> anyone running touch on nexus 4? :)
[17:35] <belgianguy> and fix those?
[17:35] <Rarrikins> jpedroza2k: Is there a way to test how long it takes to spin up?
[17:35] <jpedroza2k> Rarrikins, that depends on the drive, afaik.
[17:36] <Rarrikins> jpedroza2k: Ahh
[17:36] <ansong> when set to dhcp it brings eth0 up just fine but when set to any combination of settings seen here: http://pastebin.ca/2467816  I get RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[17:37] <ansong> every fix for that error seems to be for those with more than one NIC or those using aliases, neither of which i am doing
[17:37] <ansong> i'm using 12.04
[17:37] <jpedroza2k> Is it better to use the built in drivers, or the intel drivers in 13.10?
[17:39] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: how did you install your graphics device?
[17:44] <willmcavoy> hi, how can i install virtual box on ubuntu 13.10?
[17:44] <faugusztin> willmcavoy: apt-get install virtualbox
[17:45] <willmcavoy> faugusztin: Thanks.
[17:46] <jpedroza2k> Is there another channel specifically for upgrade issues?
[17:48] <DJones> jpedroza2k: No, this is it, just ask your question
[17:50] <belgianguy> sigh, synaptic says there are no broken packages
[17:50] <belgianguy> but there's plenty, 13.10 won't install
[17:50] <BluPhenix316> anyone else having a issue where the installer crashes at the ubuntu one login section?
[17:51] <DJones> belgianguy: Could well be the servers are being hammered with people upgrading, may be worth looking at a different source rather than the default one
[17:51] <belgianguy> DJones: well it really crashes atm, so I doubt it's the servers
[17:51] <belgianguy> it even suggests to file a bug
[17:52] <m2kk> How is 13.10 treating everyone?
[17:52] <krz> whats the best way to upgrade to 13.10?
[17:52] <belgianguy> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154014240/VarLogDistupgradeAptlog.txt
[17:52] <krz> would you recommend a full reinstallation?
[17:52] <belgianguy> this is the aptlog, I have quite some broken packages
[17:52] <BluPhenix316> m2kk: i can't even get it to install, the installer crashes at the ubuntu one login section
[17:52] <hitsujiTMO> krz: a full reinstallation is alwaysd going to be smoother
[17:52] <sleepee> 13.10 is treating me like a b*tch
[17:52] <m2kk> BluPhenix316, sounds awesome
[17:52] <Ivaldi_> I'm having some major problems with my graphics since upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10. I have a Zenbook with an integrated intel graphics card and a dedicated nVidia card. My Xorg log says that /dev/dri/card0 does not exist. lshw shows both of my cards as UNCLAIMED.
[17:53] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: would there be a way to fix my broken packages?
[17:53] <sleepee> but i think it's because i got new hardware though...
[17:53] <belgianguy> or is it FUBAR?
[17:53] <Rarrikins> krz: Probably do-release-upgrade.
[17:53] <jmgk> hi viviekanda
[17:53] <jmgk> Hi Vivekananda_
[17:53] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: how did you install your graphics device?
[17:53] <Rarrikins> krz: You shouldn't need to do a full reinstall.
[17:53] <BluPhenix316> it wouldn't be so bad, but the freaking installer already partitioned my hard drive when it crashed
[17:53] <BluPhenix316> so that leaves me with a borked system
[17:53] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: manually, from ATI site, ./amd-file.run
[17:54] <sleepee> so is there somewhere i on the ubuntu forums or anywhere where i could tell people about a fix i found?
[17:54] <krz> Rarrikins: well 12.04 to 13.10 had some issues
[17:54] <krz> so i can see how a full reinstallation can help big time
[17:54] <jpedroza2k> DJones, I have asked several questions, guess there are no answers.
[17:54] <Rarrikins> krz: Yeah, I think that's intended mainly for just one edition to the next rather than a jump.
[17:54] <krz> "you shouldnt need to" is just being kind
[17:54] <belgianguy> but I don't know what is blocking it, and which are just "warningsé
[17:54] <krz> linux is not kind
[17:55] <Ale_> Is there a way to select another mirror to download 13.10? Clicking on the wabpage download link automatically selects a mirror but the download speed is 15 kbps...
[17:55] <krz> not as kind as osx at least
[17:55] <m2kk> Ale_, is there not a torrent ?
[17:55] <guest512> krz linux is user friendly but he chooses his friends
[17:55] <krz> atleast*
[17:55] <esseks> Hi! I installed ubuntu 12.04 LTS in a pre-existing LVM on LUKS system by using cryptsetup and vgchange
[17:55] <Ale_> idk, I was looking for a direct download...
[17:55] <BluPhenix316> btw for anyone wanting to install 13.10, don't try and login to ubuntu one, just skip logging it, it will crash and generally give you a bad day
[17:55] <Rarrikins> krz: If you're sticking with LTS, it's best to wait for 14.04.
[17:55] <Rarrikins> krz: There should be a nice upgrader for that.
[17:55] <esseks> Then I chrooted inside and modified /etc/crypttab properly
[17:55] <esseks> and rebuilt initramfs. But... It's not booting, what else should I do?
[17:55] <ANN-TechCoder> Guys, I was on Finel Beta 2, and after 13,10 Final was out - I did not receive any upgrade or -distro-upgrade. Anyone else ?
[17:55] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: i think that's your problem ... the ati installer would have overwritten most of your packages
[17:56] <sleepee> i downloaded 13.10 from torrents
[17:56] <DJones> jpedroza2k: I'd ask your question again, people may have missed it or somebody new could have joined & may know the answer
[17:56] <esseks> (by not booting, I mean that it won't unlock the disk
[17:56] <krz> on 13.10, is skype updated?
[17:56] <faugusztin> ANN-TechCoder: 13.10 beta to final is just a normal upgrade via apt-get dist-upgrade, as usual
[17:56] <Ale_> then I will use a torrent... thanks :P
[17:56] <krz> skype currently is a b*tch
[17:56] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: what's the most stable ATI driver that would allow me to proceed?
[17:56] <krz> keeps crashing
[17:56] <ANN-TechCoder> faugusztin, yeah but I did not get any new updates since 13.10 was released
[17:56] <ANN-TechCoder> ay idea >
[17:56] <belgianguy> because I just got Unity and my window decoration to work, and would hate to break it all again
[17:56] <ANN-TechCoder> any idea ?
[17:57] <sleepee> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[17:57] <Rarrikins> krz: I don't think the Ubuntu repos have Skype. Try getting the latest version from their website.
[17:57] <jpedroza2k> I have upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10 and can only get two of my three displays working. Does anyone know where the log files are for the display preferences panel. There is nothing is syslog nor in dmesg.
[17:57] <faugusztin> ANN-TechCoder: because there were no updates since yesterday :)
[17:57] <linux|newb> ubuntu 12.04 - ATI card didn't have drivers loaded so I couldn't get higher res than 1280x1024 so I followed this turorial: http://ubuntuportal.com/2012/03/new-ati-catalyst-12-3-has-been-released-how-to-install-in-ubuntu-12-04-and-linux-mint-12.html
[17:57] <jpedroza2k> DJones, didn't want to be a pest. :)
[17:57] <faugusztin> ANN-TechCoder: why would you expect new updates just because final ISOs were made and published ?
[17:57] <sleepee> and if you want skype on 64 bit ubuntu, get the 32bit version of skype
[17:57] <ANN-TechCoder> So Final Beta 2 was the final release - fun
[17:57] <linux|newb> now, since rebooting desktop defaults to gonme classic and I get a lot of lines on the screen when curso moves
[17:57] <linux|newb> any idea how I can undo?
[17:58] <faugusztin> ANN-TechCoder: no, you instaled beta 2, you had some normal updates, which did bring you up to the package status of final ISO
[17:58] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: its not something that can be fixed by installing a package ... usually the ati grpahics bundles its own xorg from what i understand
[17:58] <sleepee> the 64 bit skype version will fail to install because of ia32-libs
[17:58] <ANN-TechCoder> ok.
[17:58] <ANN-TechCoder> thanks
[17:58] <NimeshNeema> Can someone help me with installation of google chrome on my freshly installed 13.10, getting the following error
[17:58] <NimeshNeema> Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1)
[17:58] <BluPhenix316> sleepee: i've been waiting for that to happen, debian got away from ia32-libs since last release
[17:58] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: so uninstall the ATI driver completely?
[17:59] <sleepee> yea, i just found out a few days ago that ubuntu did away with ia32-libs as well.
[17:59] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: Try running sudo aticonfig --initial
[17:59] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: Then reboot and see if it's fixed. If not, ask again.
[17:59] <sleepee> it threw me off when i was installing teamviewer and skype a couple days ago.
[17:59] <jpedroza2k> I keep getting the following error when activating the third monitor: http://pastebin.com/EYHCdyfq
[17:59] <booh> I need help... Since I update (not upgrade but only update 13.04 and I'm in 64bits on ASUS P5ND2-SLI) I can't boot on Sata because I go into busybox prompt.   I installed my drive on a SATA-IDE Adapter, and now I can boot.  But I can't install a drive on the sata port, if so, I go into busybox prompt at boot.
[17:59] <linux|newb> Rarrikins: did that, no go
[17:59] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: Ahh
[18:00] <sleepee> it would be nice if ubuntu made that a little more obvious.
[18:00] <linux|newb> however, just seen a bunch of new updates come in relating to X and stuff. gonna download and install, reboot and hope
[18:00] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy: i dont think the ati driver will uninstall cleanly .. you can try it but you could be without an xserver after it
[18:00] <BluPhenix316> sleepee: i can't believe they put the ubuntu one login thing in the installer without working out the bugs on it, i tried the ubuntu 13.10 beta, and it did the same thing to me then and there were a lot of bug reports on it, so i waited for the release, and nope, same thing
[18:00] <calwig> what is an undelete program for NTFS in linux
[18:00] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: yeah, I've been there before
[18:00] <belgianguy> root shell is fun :(
[18:00] <sleepee> i mean, made it obviuos that you have to install multiarch/32bit now.
[18:01] <hitsujiTMO> belgianguy, i would suggest just back up your data and do a clean install
[18:01] <linux|newb> calwig: photorec?
[18:01] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: Try `sudo updatedb` then `locate fglrx-uninstall`.
[18:01] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: See if that exists.
[18:01] <sleepee> i'm giving canonical the benefit of the doubt since 13.10 isn't LTS.
[18:01] <calwig> linux|newb, can it be used to retrieve deleted NFTS files easily?
[18:02] <sleepee> but they better get their S together by 14.04.
[18:02] <BluPhenix316> i really feel bad for you ubuntu support guys, you guys are really nice to sit here and atleast try and help people, canonical owes you guys a beer
[18:02] <MaximB> Hello, so any issues with upgrading to 13.10?
[18:02]  * linux|newb saves Rarrikins: tip to gedit and will try after reboot - cheers
[18:02] <Kartagis> network-manager says no active connections found when I click 'connection information', and network connections from system tools > preferences lists my connections.. what's going on?
[18:02] <linux|newb> calwig: somewhat depends on the circumstances. most commonly it's used to recover files from drives of mostly any format
[18:02] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: One more thing if you're doing it later: copy the path it finds and run it.
[18:02] <NimeshNeema> anyone else facing issues with installation of google chrome on 13.10 ?
[18:03] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: Run it with sudo.
[18:03] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i didn't during the beta, what issue are you having?
[18:03] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: http://askubuntu.com/a/88619/147763
[18:03] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: thanks for replying, this one Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32gcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1)
[18:03] <sleepee> i view all releases between LTS versions as *somewhat* stable betas or snapshots.  and LTS as stable releases.  that way i don't get surprised with the bugs
[18:04] <linux|newb> Rarrikins: thanks a lot
[18:04] <Rarrikins> linux|newb: No problem
[18:04] <linux|newb> back soon
[18:04] <jpedroza2k> searching for that error just returns a lot of stuff from 12.10 and older...
[18:04] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: http://askubuntu.com/questions/359530/google-chrome-update-wont-install-due-to-unmet-dependencies
[18:05] <hunter1337> My dialog of moving files disappeared, is there anyway I can get it back?
[18:05] <hunter1337> (right click doesn't seem to work)
[18:06] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: that isn't a fix but it is information and it is confirmed that is a bug
[18:07] <gugaua> Hello, I installed cyrus-imapd, configured it created a mailbox and I am connected to it with IMAP but I don´t have got an Inbox, can someone tell my why?
[18:07] <jpedroza2k> output of xrandr (if anyone is listening). http://pastebin.com/yLqaWHwe
[18:07] <BluPhenix316> brb lets see if this install has worked
[18:07] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: this means i can not run google chrome ?, i have done a fresh install of 13.10 just now
[18:08] <BluesKaj> NimeshNeema. in linux it's chromium-browser
[18:09] <NimeshNeema> AFAIK we have both chrome and chromium but only one of them can be installed at a time
[18:09] <ssj5goku> not getting any internet download or upload on ubuntu.....but it shows that it is connected to internet.....and the internet connection is fine.....i hv connected my pc to my laptop through lan and my laptop is connected to my router through wifi and both the connections are bridged in my laptop....
[18:09] <BluesKaj> NimeshNeema. yes , and chromium is you best bet
[18:09] <BluesKaj> your
[18:10] <NimeshNeema> BluesKaj: is that so ? i used to use chromium previously, but have been running chrome lately
[18:11] <JesperHead> think I screwed up my work laptop's MBR. had dual boot setup with grub, win7 and ubuntu. A piece of hardware on the laptop went out, so I deleted the ubuntu partition before sending it in with gparted on a live disk. Now nothing boots. Any assistance is appreciated
[18:11] <BluesKaj> youll still re retrieve all your settings and bookmarks in chromium if you just uninstall chrome , NimeshNeema
[18:11] <jpedroza2k> Ok, Displays in system preferences is not cutting the mustard. Is there somewhere I can edit my display settings directly?
[18:12] <hitsujiTMO> nimeshneema are you on 32bit or 64bit ubuntu?
[18:12] <ssj5goku> not getting any internet download or upload on ubuntu.....but it shows that it is connected to internet.....and the internet connection is fine.....i have connected my pc to my laptop through lan and my laptop is connected to my router through wifi and both the connections are bridged in my laptop....
[18:12] <jhutchins> JesperHead: Can you boot to an installer?
[18:12] <DJ_Unibob> No issues so far after upgrading.  Windows 7 loader is in the grub loader.  :)
[18:12] <NimeshNeema> thanks for sharing that info, i am on my way to install chromium, as it's not having any dependency problems
[18:12] <JesperHead> jhutchins: booted into a live disk of debian/gparted right now
[18:12] <BluPhenix316> well if you skip the ubuntu one login page the installer works just fine, yay!
[18:12] <JesperHead> jhutchins: but... the disk doesnt recognize the trackpad... cli might be better
[18:12] <andry> they can be installed both at the same time (chrome and chromium) .. just install libxss1 for chromne
[18:12] <jhutchins> JesperHead: You didn't saven an image of the partition you removed?
[18:13] <ssj5goku> not getting any internet download or upload on ubuntu.....but it shows that it is connected to internet.....and the internet connection is fine.....i hv connected my pc to my laptop through lan and my laptop is connected to my router through wifi and both the connections are bridged in my laptop....
[18:13] <JesperHead> jhutchins: no, it was my ubuntu partition though
[18:13] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: are you referring to google chrome install ? i just uninstalled ubuntu one
[18:13] <jpedroza2k> ssj5goku, Are you able to browse to web sites?
[18:13] <DJ_Unibob> One thing I have noticed, though this was also in 13.04  My sound settings aren't being remembered.  I have a 5.1 system and it keeps defaulting to Analog Stereo
[18:13] <NimeshNeema> hitsujiTMO: 32 bit and used 32 bit installer of google chrome
[18:13] <jhutchins> JesperHead: You'll need to reinstall then, that will replace grub.
[18:13] <ssj5goku> jpedroza2k: no...
[18:14] <bcbc2> JesperHead: if you deleted the ubuntu partition, you need to install the windows bootloader. From a windows repair disk: bootrec.exe /fixmbr
[18:14] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: no, I just tried installing ubuntu 13.10 and when the installer gets to the ubuntu one login page, it crashes if you try to login, or atleast it did for me just now, and before in the beta as well
[18:14] <linux|newb> back to where I was at least - both displays working as they should with BIG desktop. however, still can't set either screen to a res higher than 1280x1024 :(
[18:14] <linux|newb> and I get mouse lag on login screen
[18:14] <JesperHead> bcbc2: thank you very much ill get on that
[18:14] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: well i do not use ubuntu one so i usually remove it after a fresh install
[18:14] <JesperHead> jhutchins: thanks for your input as well
[18:14] <jpedroza2k> ssj5goku, That usually means you are only connected to the local network, not to the internet. Please pastebin the output of host www.ubuntu.com
[18:14] <ssj5goku> jpedroza2k: i just cant acess the internet...
[18:15] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i'm gonna try and install google-chrome now and see what happens
[18:15] <jhutchins> ssj5goku: The internet is down, it was part of the US Gov't. shutdown.
[18:16] <hunter1337> Is there any way i can view nautilus move/copy progress outside of nautilus?
[18:16] <hitsujiTMO> NimeshNeema: fyi i would expect the bug to be fixed within the next day or two, it would effect all 32bit users of debian based distros
[18:16] <jpedroza2k> ssj5goku, can you browse to a server by IP address (for example http://91.189.90.59 ubuntu.com)
[18:16] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: that would be great
[18:16] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: please share your experience
[18:17] <NimeshNeema> hitsujiTMO: thanks for sharing the info, i guess i should try again after a couple of days
[18:17] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: it installed just fine for me, but i'm also using 64bit
[18:17] <Astreya> &quit
[18:18] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: Bah !!! that means it's a 32 bit only bug
[18:18] <ssj5goku> jpedroza2k: no ....it feels like the internet led is not blinking on my router........but as i told you everything is fine and i also have a windows  partition and everything just woorks fine
[18:18] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: unfortunately, i'm sorry i can't do anything for you
[18:18] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: well my machine is 64 bit capable, is there any reason i should stick with 32 bit version of ubuntu ?
[18:18] <linux|newb> Ubuntu 12.04 running a [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] any idea how I achieve a higher screen res than 1280x1024?
[18:18] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: not really
[18:19] <ssj5goku> jhutchins: den how come my friends can acess internet while i cant??
[18:19] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: if you have any info in this area, is Android SDK still dependant on 32 bit ubuntu ?
[18:19] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i use to tell people don't go out of your way for a 64bit OS because the majority of applications being written are still for 32bit, but these days its better to just go with 64bit
[18:19] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: Ah Ok
[18:19] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i never knew that it was, i've installed the android sdk on 64bit ubuntu before
[18:20] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: that is what the multilib libraries are for
[18:20] <DJ_Unibob> 64-bit is finally starting to become mainstream.
[18:20] <booh> I need help... Since I update (not upgrade but only update 13.04 and I'm in 64bits on ASUS P5ND2-SLI) I can't boot on Sata because I go into busybox prompt.   I installed my drive on a SATA-IDE Adapter, and now I can boot.  But I can't install a drive on the sata port, if so, I go into busybox prompt at boot.
[18:20] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: it used to be the case around an year ago IIRC. no idea if Android Studio works on 64 bit
[18:20] <NimeshNeema> DJ_Unibob: seems like
[18:20] <NimeshNeema> brb
[18:21] <DJ_Unibob> I've noticed quite a few games for windows, though still 32-bit, are now LAA.
[18:21] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i don't understand why it wouldn't int he first place, 64bit is still 32bit compatible, the only issue i would see is if you had a 32bit system and were trying to run a 64bit program
[18:21] <BluPhenix316> the other way around shouldn't be a issue
[18:21] <ssj5goku> jpedroza2k: u got anything for me???
[18:22] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: as i told you on a 64 bit install, there used be problems with Android SDK install
[18:22] <Bauer1> guys, I have a problem with mounting NTFS partitions in ubuntu, when using multiple users login - if one user mounts, the other one cant access the mount...
[18:23] <jpedroza2k> left before I got back...
[18:23] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: yes i understood what you told me, i just don't understand how that is all
[18:23] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: well i have been using OS X on my work machines, and it was nice how apple transitioned from 32 bit OS to 64 bit one, (as far as running 3rd party apps are concerned), although at the cost of compiling fat binaries
[18:23] <buu> So.. anyone think there's a window manager on ubuntu that will handle a qhd+ screen?
[18:23] <jpedroza2k> buu, I can't even get 13.10 to handle 3 displays
[18:24] <buu> haha
[18:24] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: originally when you installed the ia32-libs, 32bit programs and sdks would see the system as 32bit or multilib
[18:24] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i'm not saying you are wrong, i'm just saying it is really odd
[18:27] <BluPhenix316> anyway, now that pipelight is installing, after that completes now its the fun part, installing nvidia drivers
[18:27] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: yeah, thats the reason why
[18:29] <BluPhenix316> NimeshNeema: i've always used eclipse for android development though I dont' think i've used this Android Studio
[18:29] <jpedroza2k> Can anyone tell me where display errors are logged?
[18:29] <BluPhenix316> jpedroza2k: in /var/log/Xorg.log
[18:29] <BluPhenix316> Xorg.0.log
[18:30] <jpedroza2k> BluPhenix316, is that still true for 13.10?
[18:30] <NimeshNeema> BluPhenix316: i think i should wait for a couple of days and hope the bug gets resolved as hitsujiTMO pointed out
[18:30] <BluPhenix316> jpedroza2k: yeah Xmir and Mir's release got pushed back
[18:30] <hitsujiTMO> xmir got pushed back, not mir
[18:31] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO: yeah but 13.10 is still using Xorg not Mir
[18:31] <hitsujiTMO> xorg is there as a fallback
[18:31] <jpedroza2k> BluPhenix316, I am getting an error on applying settings in Display preferences, but I do not see that error in the log
[18:32] <esseks> Hi guys! I have installed Ubuntu from Live CD in a LVM on LUKS
[18:32] <hitsujiTMO> i seem to be running mir now
[18:32] <jpedroza2k> hitsujiTMO, How can you tell?
[18:32] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO: according to every article I see about ubuntu 13.10 release it says Mir's release was pushed back
[18:32] <esseks> I chrooted into the installed system, added crypttab and ran update-initramfs -u... Now I get a evms_activate is not available
[18:32] <hitsujiTMO> jpedroza2k: http://askubuntu.com/questions/330862/how-do-i-find-out-if-my-system-is-using-mir
[18:32] <esseks> How do I fix it?
[18:33] <booh> I think my problem is with sata_nv module.  And on my motherboard, I can't put the drive in ahci mode.
[18:33] <hitsujiTMO> BluPhenix316: thats coz it was announced that xmir was pushed back, and many people presumed mir = xmir
[18:33] <oriez> some one knows about the "unity launcher spin for ever.." bug??? any FIX??
[18:33] <exalt> any idea how to fix a crashing gnome-settings-deamon that makes me fall back on old clearlooks theme ?
[18:34] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO: i don't even see Mir on my system
[18:34] <exalt> http://i.imgur.com/NzLajGe.png
[18:34] <oriez> after upgrading to 13.10....
[18:35] <hitsujiTMO> BluPhenix316: look for unity-system-compositor
[18:36] <BluPhenix316> i did
[18:36] <BluPhenix316> nothing
[18:36] <NimeshNeema> thanks BluPhenix316 hitsujiTMO for your support
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> you must be on xorg as backup then
[18:36] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO: i don't even have unity-system-compositor on my sysetm
[18:36] <BluPhenix316> not only is it not running, but it isnt' on my system at all
[18:37] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, you have to install and enable it manually on 13.10
[18:37] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, mir with xmir that is
[18:37] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: we are talking about mir
[18:37] <booh> is there a chanel where people are knowing more about hardware and kernel than here?
[18:37] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO, said Mir was released with 13.10
[18:37] <BluPhenix316> but XMir was pushed back
[18:37] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, not possible at the moment on the desktop
[18:38] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, not true
[18:38] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: thank you, you just made my point for me
[18:38] <hitsujiTMO> maybe i'm wrong and that article is wrong
[18:38] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, they may skip xmir altogether and go straight to mir on the desktop
[18:39] <YokoBR> hi guys, i have an ntfs partition, which i had lots of documents and sheets inside... But windows server has screwed them... how can i fix those files on linux?
[18:39] <jmgk> hi all
[18:39] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, time will tell
[18:39] <jhutchins> booh: #hardware
[18:39] <Feal> Hi everyone. :) I’m having trouble with dpkg – every time I run it (sudo dpkg --configure -a), it stalls at »regenerating fonts cache«. I currently have installed seven fonts other than the default system fonts, and /var/cache/fontconfig/ contains 2100 files with 4,2 Mb. Is this a known problem / does anyone have a solution?
[18:39] <hitsujiTMO> kinda odd that: ps aux | grep unity-system-compositor     is stating its working tho
[18:39] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO: are you getting 2 lines or 1?
[18:40] <BluPhenix316> hitsujiTMO: if get one line, that is just repeating back to you the commmand you issued
[18:40] <jhutchins> YokoBR: It depends on what happened to the files.  There isn't anything special about Linux that would restore them.
[18:40] <BluPhenix316> 23307 pts/1    S+     0:00          |       \_ grep --color=auto unity-system-compositor
[18:40] <trism> hitsujiTMO: it is there and you can use it but it isn't installed by default (I have it enabled here too)
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> ahh then i am wrong
[18:40] <BluPhenix316> that is it repeating back to you the grep command
[18:40] <BluPhenix316> not that it is running
[18:41] <booh> thanks jhutchins
[18:41] <YokoBR> jhutchins, i can't open those files, openoffice doesn't reconise the encoding, they are corrupted..
[18:41] <BluPhenix316> man pipelight is awesome!
[18:42] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: thank you, you were just repeating what i was trying to tell hitsujiTMO but he was a little confused
[18:42] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, :) what service are you using it for
[18:42] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, indeed
[18:42] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: netflix, without having to use that netflix-desktop app
[18:42] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, nice
[18:43] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: just gotta remember to use a user agent switcher
[18:43] <hitsujiTMO> ok, now mir is running
[18:43] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, yeah
[18:43] <kostkon> hitsujiTMO, you installed it?
[18:43] <hitsujiTMO> yes
[18:44] <BluPhenix316> did they fix that double mouse cursor bug with Xmir yet?
[18:44] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, yes, it wasn't a bug though, just a way to tell you that you were runnnng mir
[18:45] <hitsujiTMO> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6252572/ :P
[18:45] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: yeah i've heard that line before "its not a bug its a feature!"
[18:45] <kostkon> it was there mostly for testing reasons
[18:45] <kostkon> :P
[18:45] <Feal> Nobody able to help me? :(
[18:45] <BluPhenix316> Feal: whats your issue?
[18:45] <rangergord> Is there a way to make the Unity launcher/taskbar show the name of the application, instead of the icon (or both, like standard taskbars)? I dont want to remember all these odd icons, it's taxing, I want to see words like "SciTe" "PDF Viewer", etc.
[18:45] <Feal> BluPhenix316: I’m having trouble with dpkg – every time I run it (sudo dpkg --configure -a), it stalls at »regenerating fonts cache«. I currently have installed seven fonts other than the default system fonts, and /var/cache/fontconfig/ contains 2100 files with 4,2 Mb.
[18:45] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: i'm not really even an ubuntu fan, i'm a arch user typically, i just wanted to give ubuntu another shot
[18:46] <Yowl> Is there a way with the gnome DE to attach a personal image to a folder?
[18:46] <BluPhenix316> feal: how much time did you give it? it might be that it just takes a while
[18:46] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, giving 13.10 a try?
[18:46] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: yeah
[18:46] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, good good
[18:47] <swift110_> hello
[18:47] <reisio> ';p
[18:47] <reisio> 'lo, even
[18:47] <BluPhenix316> kostkon: so far i'm not that impressed, especially with that nasty installer bug i ran into, which isn't that big of a deal but if your going to push a release atleast make the installer work like it is intended
[18:47] <Feal> BluPhenix316: I’ve given it around 40 hours now (2 and 5 hours respectively in earlier tries), and the size of /var/cache/fontconfig/ didn’t change anymore after about two minutes.
[18:47] <jpedroza2k> I think I am just going to have to roll back to 13.04 for this monitor issue.
[18:48] <kostkon> BluPhenix316, :/
[18:48] <jpedroza2k> Although the support team is demanding I install Windows 8
[18:48] <BluPhenix316> feal: try control-c and then rebooting and trying again
[18:48] <jpedroza2k> They can have my FOSS when they pry it from my cold, dead hard drive.
[18:48] <newbie|2> I have Ubuntu 13.04 64 bit.  If I understand correctly, 13.10 is out.  Update-manager, including update-manager -d doesn't offer the new release ... why?
[18:48] <crak> hi all
[18:48] <gustav_> Eh. Having this problem starting a game: error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:49] <reisio> crak: hi
[18:49] <swift110_> hello all
[18:49] <scott_z> is there anyone that can help me write a shell scripts? I want to run a command, check the result, and depending on the result, either run one more command or do nothing. Any takers?
[18:49] <reisio> swift110_: 'lo again
[18:49] <reisio> scott_z: be more specific
[18:49] <kostkon> !find libSDL-1.2.so.0
[18:49] <reisio> kostkon: use apt-file
[18:49] <kostkon> reisio, ?
[18:49] <gustav_> kostkon: It's installed.
[18:50] <Feal> BluPhenix316: I tried that after the first try. Unfortunately, it didn’t help. :/ Is there any lock file or so that might be responsible for the behaviour?
[18:50] <reisio> kostkon: use apt-file instead of !find
[18:50] <crak> i just updated to 13.10. i use apache2 with apache2-suexec-custom und fcgi. this does not work any more (403). i looked into the logs to get some hints but i couldn't find any
[18:50] <crak> can anyone help?
[18:50] <kostkon> reisio, ok next time ill do just that, i guess
[18:50] <BluPhenix316> Feal: rebooting should fix the lock file
[18:50] <jpedroza2k> where does the xrandr config file live?
[18:50] <gustav_> apt-find richtext
[18:51] <reisio> jpedroza2k: same as xorg.conf/.d
[18:51] <reisio> gustav_: it's an app, you install it
[18:51] <gustav_> !find apt-find
[18:51] <gustav_> o_O
[18:51] <exalt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1227747  :(
[18:52] <scott_z> I have a process that keeps crashing, dont know why. So what I want to do it check to see if it is running (ps -A | grep deluged). If that returns nothing then run deluged, if it does return something then do nothing. That is the script that I want to write but do not know how. Then after it works I will set it up as a cron for say every 30 min. That specific enough? :)
[18:52] <jpedroza2k> reisio, so in 13.10 that is in /usr/share/X11?
[18:52] <gustav_> Well, libSDL-1.2.so.0 is in ldconfig path and still it says "No such file or directory."
[18:53] <jboii_> hi
[18:53] <jpedroza2k> I never thought I would miss the day whey I missed being able to edit an xorg.conf file.
[18:53] <xtriz> when i installed default-jre along with it 10 other packages got installed, now when removing default-jre only that package is getting removed and not the other 10 packages that were installed along with them.
[18:53] <BluPhenix316> man my system setup is annoying
[18:54] <BluPhenix316> unless i add blacklist 915 to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf then the kernel thinks my computer has optimus
[18:54] <BluPhenix316> but i don't
[18:54] <jboii_> synaptec app , can i install all the apps that has ubuntu logo next to it?
[18:54] <BluPhenix316> i have a descrete nvidia gfx card and a onboard intel gfx card, but there is no optimus
[18:54] <Feal> BluPhenix316: Do you mean /var/lib/dpkg/lock? That gets fixed. However, the problem still persists and trying to run apt-get upgrade throws an error that the dpkg process has been interrupted and dpkg would have to be run manually. Doing that results in setting up fontconfig (2.10.2-0ubuntu2) again and the mentioned stall at »Regeneration fonts cache«.
[18:55] <BluPhenix316> feal: have you tried rebooting into the recovery console and running dpkg --config -a?
[18:55] <reisio> jpedroza2k: probably still in /etc/
[18:55] <fenre> sudo apt-get update
[18:55] <BluPhenix316> Feal: other than that you would have to ask someone else because I don't have a clue
[18:56] <Feal> BluPhenix316: Good idea, thank you. :-) I’ll try that; brb.
[18:56] <jboii_> can someone help me ?
[18:57] <reisio> jboii_: with?
[18:57] <jpedroza2k> I seem to be completely unable to run three monitors with 13.10, even though it worked perfectly in 13.04. reverting
[18:57] <jboii_> synaptec apps listed , can i just download those ? those ones with logo next to them ?
[18:58] <xtriz> when i installed default-jre along with it 10 other packages got installed, now when removing default-jre only that package is getting removed and not the other 10 packages that were installed along with them.
[18:58] <jboii_> those needed so the system will function best ?
[18:58] <jpedroza2k> does xrandr have a log file? Seriously, what does Configure crtc 2 failed
[18:58] <reisio> jboii_: you can install anything listed in a package manager
[18:58] <jboii_> what is needed ?
[18:58] <reisio> jpedroza2k: /var/log/Xorg*log
[18:58] <reisio> jboii_: for what?
[18:58] <jboii_> dev and debug files ?
[18:58] <jboii_> those needed ?
[18:59] <jpedroza2k> reisio, Nothing logged there.
[18:59] <buu> Seriously though has aanyone tried ubuntu on a high res screen?
[18:59] <jpedroza2k> file doesn't change when xrandr throws the error.
[18:59] <reisio> xtriz: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187888/what-is-the-correct-way-to-completely-remove-an-application
[18:59] <reisio> buu: probably
[19:00] <buu> reisio: Google disagrees, heh
[19:01] <reisio> buu: google is a newb
[19:01] <jboii_> is it an app out , that can make a hotspot out off bluetooth ?
[19:01] <crak> did the user of apache2 changed?
[19:01] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: If /var/log/Xorg.0.log is empty something is wrong.
[19:01] <reisio> jboii_: should be
[19:02] <jpedroza2k> jhutchins, not empty, but nothing is logged there when xrandr throws the error
[19:02] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: oh, or is ubuntu using something else now?
[19:02] <scott_z> reisio: perhaps you could point me in the direction of a shell script primer?
[19:02] <xtriz> reisio, as given in the guide did sukdo apt-get purge and then sudo apt-get autoremove, but still only 1 package i.e. default-jre got removed and other 10 packages are left behind
[19:02] <reisio> scott_z: #bash could do a better job of that than I
[19:02] <Pc_> hi
[19:02] <reisio> Pc_: hi
[19:03] <reisio> xtriz: well it's hard to say without seeing a log
[19:03] <Morkel> Hi, i am searching for an image view with a slideshow feature. The slideshow starts with Image 1 and stops at the last image and wait for an new image in the folder. Does anyone know a programm with this freature
[19:03] <reisio> scott_z: what you asked for is pretty simple, though, if you care to be more specific
[19:04] <scott_z> reisio: I have a process that keeps crashing, dont know why. So what I want to do it check to see if it is running (ps -A | grep deluged). If that returns nothing then run deluged, if it does return something then do nothing. That is the script that I want to write but do not know how. Then after it works I will set it up as a cron for say every 30 min. That specific enough? :)
[19:04] <xtriz> reisio, ok np :) removed those packages manually for now
[19:05] <subz3r0> Morkel: i guess  not. You could run Irfanview with wine. I did not find any solution on linux which would replace the functions of irfanview
[19:05] <subz3r0> sad but true
[19:06] <Morkel> subz3r0: how is the quality / speed / stability when you run irfanview with wine?
[19:06] <swift110_> subz3r0, sounds like a Metallica song
[19:06] <subz3r0> swift110_: lol
[19:06] <subz3r0> Morkel: depends on your machine. its pretty fast here with two cores
[19:06] <Morkel> subz3r0: i will use a raspberrypi :-)
[19:06] <subz3r0> Morkel: i would recommend using playonlinux, as you can easily change wine versions with it and test which fits the best
[19:07] <subz3r0> Morkel: give it a try
[19:07] <reisio> scott_z: if pgrep -l deluged; then nohup deluged; fi
[19:07] <jpedroza2k> Is it possible to roll back to 13.04 after the 13.10 upgrade?
[19:07] <reisio> scott_z: o sorry that's backwards
[19:07] <subz3r0> jpedroza2k: not really
[19:07] <jpedroza2k> well, poop
[19:08] <subz3r0> maybe any1 else could give you an answer. i tried it years ago from x to 10.10 back and it did not work
[19:08] <jhutchins> !downgrade
[19:08] <jpedroza2k> Looks like the IT monkeys are going to install Windows 8 on the laptop now, since I can't get 3 monitors working.
[19:08] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: Restore backup or reinstall.
[19:08] <subz3r0> exactly that happend to my system :)
[19:09] <jpedroza2k> I was just informed that if I have to reinstall, I will fall into (goose) step with the other developers and run Windows
[19:09] <jpedroza2k> and I have "wasted enough time" with "that Linux test".
[19:09] <Psil0Cybin> guys quick question how do i update gpg, i see that ubuntus repos are out dated..
[19:09] <tux_> anyone having sound issues in 13.10?
[19:10] <ikonia> Psil0Cybin: they are not out dated, you use the packages in the ubuntu repo
[19:10] <scott_z> reisio: thanks so much, ok, how do you make it forward? hup instead of nohup? I just don't know the syntax. :(
[19:10] <reisio> scott_z: if pgrep -l deluged; then return; else nohup deluged; fi
[19:10] <reisio> that's the cheap way :p
[19:10] <reisio> #bash would know better
[19:11] <subz3r0> Psil0Cybin: you could use a ppa. but why is the version outdated? which ubuntu version? if its a LTS it will only support security updates... not every crappy lil change
[19:11] <reisio> scott_z: you should probably just figure out why it's crashing, though
[19:11] <reisio> scott_z: look into strace
[19:11] <swift110_> hm
[19:11] <swift110_> anybody use mate on Ubuntu
[19:11] <jpedroza2k> last hope, is there a native Intel driver for 13.04?
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> ikonia: so i should not update, and leave as is? Im using 12.04 LTS, I dont want every crappy change i just want to make sure im fine with security updates
[19:11] <impossible> how can i make an mp3 file an ogg
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> because on the GPG site
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> i see they are like 3 versions ahead and patched plenty of issues
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> so i am confused
[19:11] <ikonia> Psil0Cybin: you are fine where you are
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> okay
[19:11] <Psil0Cybin> thanks
[19:12] <ikonia> swift110_: mates not packaged by ubuntu,
[19:12] <reisio> impossible: lame -d it to wav, then oggenc it to ogg
[19:12] <subz3r0> Psil0Cybin: well so check the changelog. if the new version just came out today, it could take some days until its in the repos for and update on your site
[19:12] <reisio> impossible: or use ffmpeg -i foo.mp3 bar.ogg
[19:12] <kostkon> Psil0Cybin, software in ubuntu always is patched against any vulnerabilities, even the old versions in 12.04.
[19:12] <Psil0Cybin> so gpg 1.4.11 is fine compared to GnuPG saying that version 2.0.22 is released
[19:12] <Psil0Cybin> but ill read the changelog
[19:12] <Psil0Cybin> since im so parranoide
[19:12] <scott_z> reisio: that is exactly what I was looking for, down and dirty but works! Just a bandaid for now till i have time to really look into it. Thanks so much.
[19:12] <reisio> impossible: or use a gui frontend like handbrake or winff
[19:13] <reisio> impossible: or arista
[19:13] <ashp> If I change Prompt=lts to Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades, is there anything that gets cached that would stop do-release-upgrade from finding new releases?
[19:13] <kostkon> Psil0Cybin, it is as safe as its latest version
[19:13] <reisio> scott_z: np
[19:13] <swift110_> ikonia, hmm
[19:13] <reisio> impossible: sorry, should've said lame --decode, not lame -d
[19:15] <jboii_> is there a page that i can see must have apps ?
[19:15] <jboii_> plufins also ?
[19:16] <Psil0Cybin> kostkon: and ikonia thank you so much, im learning alot just was confused how come ubuntu had version 1.4.11 and gpg said on its site it released 2.2something a few weeks ago, so i was confused but as long as security wise everything is fine, then i dont care what version it states
[19:16] <Psil0Cybin> i just want to be up to date security wise and make sure the program is working properly.
[19:16] <kostkon> Psil0Cybin, you are. don't worry
[19:16] <oriez> someone here familiar with the unity launcher bug after upgrading to 13.10
[19:16] <oriez> ?
[19:17] <reisio> oriez: "the"?
[19:17] <iceroot> !details | oriez
[19:18] <exalt> iceroot: when he does that, you are gonna complain about pastebinning multirow messages...
[19:19] <iceroot> exalt: then he should do it correctly in the first try
[19:19] <iceroot> exalt: its not that hard to ask useful questions
[19:20] <oriez> ok the unity launcher doesn't work... spin forever
[19:20] <Psil0Cybin> thanks kostkon and ikonia you guys rock, for helping me thanks
[19:20] <exalt> iceroot: true, most time the answers are more difficult!
[19:20] <kostkon> Psil0Cybin, :)
[19:20] <jpedroza2k> I thought I would make one last plea before I leave for help with this stupid graphics issue. I can only get two displays working with my intel 4000 graphics. I get "Configure crtc 2 failed" whenever I try and add a third monitor with xrandr.
[19:21] <oriez> probably: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1238929
[19:21] <oriez> not sure... seems like..
[19:21] <jpedroza2k> There are no other error messages, and I can find nothing in the logs that point me in the right direction. I am just sick at the thought of putting Windows on this laptop.
[19:22] <Assimilater> hey guys, for some reason my ubuntu server is having a hard time getting the linux kernel update: http://pastebin.com/PY089XdD can someone help me figure out what the problem is?
[19:22] <jboii_> anyone know bout an app that makes it so twitter notifications pops up?
[19:22] <Yowl> Is there a way with nautilus to add custom images outside of emblems to folders, or another file manage that can?
[19:22] <iceroot> exalt: until now only 1 person reported that bug, noone said "affects me also" to the chances are not that high that someone will fix it when noone is hitting "affects me as well
[19:22] <iceroot> exalt: sorry wrong nick
[19:22] <iceroot> oriez: until now only 1 person reported that bug, noone said "affects me also" to the chances are not that high that someone will fix it when noone is hitting "affects me as well
[19:22] <Dayofswords> jpedroza2k: is 4000 ivy bridge CPUs?
[19:23] <johnjohn101> haswell
[19:23] <jpedroza2k> Dayofswords, yes
[19:23] <iceroot> oriez: when you hit "affects me as well" the bug will marked as "confirmed" everything which is not "confirmed" is normally not checked
[19:23] <Dayofswords> jpedroza2k: I found this bug on redhat's system https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=836765
[19:23] <oriez> iceroot: THX
[19:23] <oriez> iceroot: will do
[19:23] <jpedroza2k> Dayofswords, it was working with 13.04, it only borked with the upgrade.
[19:24] <xtriz> how can i enable ufw such that it allows ssh connection ?
[19:25] <iceroot> xtriz: that is the default
[19:25] <iceroot> xtriz: ufw is disbaled by default and no ports are blocked
[19:25] <xtriz> iceroot, yeah i want to enable it just allowing ssh connection
[19:26] <iceroot> !ufw | xtriz
[19:26] <iceroot> xtriz: block everything incoming except port 22
[19:26] <jpds> xtriz: sudo ufw allow 22; sudo ufw enable; sudo ufw status verbose
[19:27] <xtriz> lots of useful information :)
[19:27] <jhutchins> xtriz: If you have an sshd listening on port 22 you will get brute force and DOS attacks.
[19:27] <iceroot> jpds: is ufw blocking everything by default when it is enabled?
[19:27] <jpds> iceroot: Yep.
[19:27] <jpds> iceroot: Everything incoming.
[19:28] <xtriz> jhutchins, so i should choose any random ports ?
[19:28] <iceroot> jpds: yeah, sure. thx
[19:28] <jpds> xtriz: No.
[19:28] <Yowl> Is there a way with nautilus to add custom images outside of emblems to folders, or another file manage that can?
[19:28] <jpds> xtriz: Use SSH keys.
[19:28] <jpds> xtriz: And disable password-based login.
[19:28] <xtriz> jpds, ok :)
[19:28] <jhutchins> xtriz: Not random, but something that is not in use on your system and not a common service.
[19:28] <reisio> Yowl: you should be able to make a .desktop link with any icon you like
[19:29] <jhutchins> jpds: You will still get brute force and DOS attacks.
[19:29] <reisio> Yowl: not exactly the same as applying an image to an existing dir, but
[19:29] <jpds> jhutchins: Welcome to the Internet.
[19:29] <Pici> jhutchins: security by obscurity is not security
[19:29] <jpds> jhutchins: We also have cat pictures.
[19:29] <fedeisas> hi guys. Anyone know how can I make a folder accesible by www-data (for nginx) and deploy (for my deployment script user)? Thanks a lot!
[19:29] <iceroot> jhutchins: for bruteforce, there is for example fail2ban
[19:30] <jpds> iceroot: There's better: sudo ufw limit 22
[19:30] <jhutchins> Pici: No, but running ssh on an alternative port means you're paying attention to security, and even if a hacker portscans you and finds that port, you are probably a poor return-on-investment to try to brute-force.
[19:30] <jpds> jhutchins: No.
[19:30] <iceroot> jpds: on debian based systems, yes
[19:30] <iceroot> jpds: i prefer solutions which are working on other systems as well but you are right
[19:30] <iceroot> jpds: on ubuntu based systems
[19:31] <jpds> jhutchins: Do you think every single company in the world changes the port that they're SSHd is running on?
[19:31] <jhutchins> The problem with brute force attacks on port 22 is that they can cause sufficient load to effectively deny access.
[19:31] <jpedroza2k> Keep getting this error when attempting to activate the third monitor: GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._gnome_2drr_2derror_2dquark.Code2: could not set the configuration for CRTC 65
[19:31] <jpds> iceroot: So, the iptables equivilant. :)
[19:31] <Yowl> reisio: but I don't want it to be on my desktop, and I don't want to replicate all my folders with shortcut links just to attach the images I want to them
[19:31] <iceroot> jpds: fail2ban is also using iptables :)
[19:31] <xtriz> jpds, so whenever i want to listen for any service from remote location i need to enable incoming connections right ?
[19:31] <jhutchins> Unless the attacks are throttled upstream of the server, the server will become unresponsive, even if you use iptables throttling and fail2ban, because the packets reach the server anyway.
[19:31] <jpds> xtriz: Yep.
[19:31] <xtriz> jpds, cool
[19:31] <iceroot> jpds: and it is good that we have ufw and fail2ban, noone wants to mess with iptables directly. its like scripting in perl :)
[19:32] <jhutchins> fail2ban has been obsolete for about ten years since the hail mary botnet was discovered.
[19:32] <rangergord> jhutchins: can you expand?
[19:32] <Yowl> reisio: So no way to do it with nautilus? Is there another file manager that uses a alternative to emblems? Or is emblems even part of the file manager?
[19:32] <jhutchins> jpds: Every single company with decent security does, or does some other form of securing it, yes.
[19:33] <jhutchins> jpds: How large a network do you support?
[19:33] <jpds> jhutchins: Yep.
[19:33] <Assimilater> hey guys, for some reason my ubuntu server is having a hard time getting the linux kernel update: http://pastebin.com/PY089XdD can someone help me figure out what the problem is?
[19:33] <jpds> jhutchins: And we just use key-based auth.
[19:33] <jpds> jhutchins: Anyway, it'll do, we're not here to help people secure their systems to the put where they're enforcing SELinux policys.
[19:34] <jhutchins> xtriz: Remember that if the firewall is ON your server, all of the traffic still reaches your server and the kernel.
[19:34] <reisio> Yowl: I'm not sure, ask #gnome about nautilus
[19:35] <xtriz> jhutchins, even those traffic that is blocked to reach my machine ?
[19:36] <iceroot> xtriz: your machine is blocking it so it will reach your machine
[19:37] <xtriz> iceroot, ok
[19:37] <iceroot> xtriz: but will be dropped directly by the fw but that action is still on your server
[19:37] <jhutchins> Yowl: Create a .directory file with something like Icon=gdict in it.
[19:37] <xtriz> iceroot, other than fail2ban what should i use to secure ssh implementation ?
[19:37] <reisio> xtriz: use keys
[19:37] <jhutchins> xtriz: The firewall can't block the traffic until it receives and processes it.
[19:38] <reisio> xtriz: I'd say disable root login, but I believe Ubuntu already does that
[19:38] <jpedroza2k> Is there a driver for the intel graphics from intel for 13.10?
[19:39] <xtriz> reisio, hopefully it's not, by default PermitRootLogin is yes. it should not be yes by default.
[19:39] <reisio> xtriz: that's a lot of words to confirm something I already claimed :p
[19:39] <iceroot> xtriz: just ssh-pub-key
[19:39] <xtriz> is it possible to use openldap for authorization ?
[19:40] <jhutchins> Remember, ubuntu locks the root account by default, this should prevent root login via ssh.
[19:40] <iceroot> xtriz: sure
[19:40] <Yowl> jhutchins What do you mean by that?
[19:40] <iceroot> xtriz: but that is not "more secure" then the local passwd
[19:40] <systemfish> can I hibernate ubuntu?
[19:40] <reisio> systemfish: yup
[19:40] <iceroot> jpedroza2k: directly inside the kernel, yes
[19:40] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: Depends on the chipset.  Some are having problems.
[19:40] <freudenschein> systemfish: depends on your machine I guess
[19:41] <systemfish> I've only found the option to set it in sleeping mode
[19:41] <xtriz> iceroot, then there must be some centralized authentication system for say ssh, samba, file server etc ?
[19:41] <jpedroza2k> jhutchins, iceroot , I am having problems, I just want to try another driver and see if I can get this working without a reinstall of 13.04 or Windows.
[19:41] <jhutchins> Yowl: If you want to set custom properties for how directories appear in a file browser, most of them honor the legacy .directory file in the root of that folder, which can describe things like custom icons and background images.
[19:41] <systemfish> because.. when I put my lappy to sleep, and wakes it up again, the CPU-fan runs like crazy
[19:41] <iceroot> xtriz: called "pam"
[19:42] <jhutchins> Yowl: I don't have a reference for the file format right now, sorry.
[19:42] <iceroot> xtriz: pam is the default system for the auth and you can choose different backends like mysql, passwd, slapd and so on
[19:42] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: Start by determining your chipset and pciid.
[19:42] <Yowl> jhutchins: But I don't know things like that. I need instructions. And You haven't really given me enough key words to do a search
[19:43] <xtriz> iceroot, good, so PAM can be used as centralized authentication system.
[19:43] <xtriz> iceroot, PAM is more secure implemetation than openldap ?
[19:43] <bekks> xtriz: You are mixing up things.
[19:44] <bekks> LDAP may act as a backend store for PAM.
[19:44] <xtriz> bekks, may be i am getting bit confused.
[19:44] <xtriz> ok
[19:44] <xtriz> need to read more about PAM now.
[19:44] <systemfish> how do I stop the CPU-fan to spin like crazy when I wake ubuntu up from its sleep?
[19:45] <jhutchins> Yowl: Here, this is easier: http://askubuntu.com/questions/79110/how-can-i-assign-custom-icons-to-folders
[19:45] <jpedroza2k> jhutchins, I am using the Intel 3rd gen 4000 graphics controller on the Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset
[19:45] <jpedroza2k> Blasted graphics were fine under 13.04, completely useless under 13.10.
[19:46] <bekks> jpedroza2k: What are "blasted graphics"?
[19:46] <freudenschein> systemfish: mmmh I'm afraid you just cannot
[19:46] <jpedroza2k> bekks, I was using 3 1080p displays under 13.04, under 13.10 I can only use 2
[19:46] <xtriz> bekks, this is my understanding is this correct -> PAM to use as centralize authorization and we can use back-end as mysql, slapd, passwd , openldap ?
[19:47] <bekks> xtriz: Thats wrong.
[19:47] <xtriz> :(
[19:47] <bekks> xtriz: The central point is the backing store. PAM itself is used on each client individually.
[19:47] <systemfish> freudenschein: it's a bug, right?
[19:48] <freudenschein> systemfish: or a bad implementation of the driver
[19:48] <xtriz> bekks, ok
[19:48] <toshiba> hi
[19:48] <toshiba> how do I install oracle on ubuntu?
[19:48] <Bosi> Hello everyone, does anyone knows how to activate the "hibernate" option on 13.10?
[19:48] <MadeAllUp> Is anyone else having issues with firefox html5/flash audio after upgrading to 13.10?
[19:48] <freudenschein> MadeAllUp: nope
[19:49] <jpedroza2k> I can't even find where the actual error is being logged. I just get "xrandr: Configure crtc 2 failed"
[19:49] <Yowl> jhutchins: Ah thanks, this helps a bunch. But where are the images that represent said folder stored? In that folders metadata or what?
[19:50] <MadeAllUp> I'm having "cannot access file /etc/asound.conf" and "snd_config_hook_load returned error: Permission denied", while flash works just fine with chrome. All other applications work fine using alsa.
[19:50] <pwuertz> Hi! I need the 32bit python libraries on my 64bit ubuntu installation.. so i tried "sudo apt-get install python2.7-minimal:i386" but apt threatens me to uninstall my whole system. Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?
[19:51] <jhutchins> Yowl: This is the closest thing I could find to an explanation: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/  It describes .desktop files but the .directory format is the same.  I believe even Windows honors it.
[19:52] <Guest37091> hi as it seems i fucked up my remote ifconfig ... so i cant ssh it anymore ... i tried to change everything back to normal  like  auto eth0       address X netmask X gateway  X where X is the ip i need but after restart i still cant get ping on that machine
[19:52] <Guest37091> do i need to set additional stuff somewhere ?
[19:52] <jhutchins> Yowl: For KDE and Gnome the information is stored in the .desktop file.  As far as where the icon is, that's a little bit deeper than I've gone in the system, but if you go into somethng that lets you change an icon in the GUI, the .desktop will use the name, I don't know if it can use a path.
[19:52] <jenclode> yo les gros
[19:53] <jhutchins> Yowl: That .desktop standard may say.
[19:53] <reisio> I think if you make a symlink on the Desktop, it makes a .desktop for you
[19:53] <jenclode> ha do ken
[19:53] <jenclode> sho ryu ken
[19:53] <Yowl> jhutchins: And .desktop is stored in /home?
[19:53] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: That seems to be a common complaint and may be a bug.
[19:54] <jenclode> chibrator
[19:54] <jpedroza2k> jhutchins, is there a bug report for it?
[19:54] <reisio> Yowl: you can put a .desktop file just about anywhere
[19:54] <jhutchins> Guest37091: You need to re-start the interface for it to read the new info.
[19:54] <systemfish> how do I see what ubuntu version I have?
[19:55] <bekks> systemfish: lsb_release -a
[19:55] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: Dunno.
[19:55] <Yowl> reisio: Where is it by default? And how does the OS know where to find it then?
[19:55] <hitsujiTMO> Guest37091: also if your pinging a domain did you setup the dns in resolvconf?
[19:56] <Guest37091> jhutchins ... normally no problem but i have no monitor connected to the remote machine ... can i manually set the new configuration ?
[19:56] <jhutchins> Yowl: Try reading that document, I think it answers a lot of those questions.
[19:56] <Guest37091> just pinging the ip :)
[19:56] <jhutchins> Yowl: It's really up to the file browser how it will react to a .desktop or .directory file.
[19:56] <SWATLLAMA> Hey guys! I just installed Ubuntu 13.10, and I'm wondering how I can install Mate.
[19:56] <jpedroza2k> jhutchins, I see a lot of issues with nvidia graphics, but not a lot with Intel.
[19:56] <LinuxNoobish> Hi, im facing a problem i upgraded my OS from 13.04 to 13.10 and i faced the windows all have black lines at the edge and the one i open doesnt show me the name of it
[19:57] <SWATLLAMA> LinuxNooobish, check to see if your drivers are installed and running properly, though that probbably isn't the problem.
[19:57] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: They seem to be a fairly new problem, possibly just with 13.10 but also possibly with other releases of the same version of xorg.
[19:57] <jhutchins> jpedroza2k: Specifically I've seen two other complaints today about not being able to use a 3rd monitor.
[19:58]  * jhutchins checks his real job to see if something needs doing there...
[19:58] <LinuxNoobish> everything is installed SWATLLAMA
[19:58] <SWATLLAMA> Does anyone know how to put Mate on?
[19:58] <ndroftheline> Hi ive got ubuntu instakled in eufi mode on a driv im now trying to boot from a uefi enabled laptop, bur ir doesnt seem to be recognzing it. Any suggestions
[19:58] <Guest37091> is there a way to load the /etc/network/interfaces "into the system" manually ?
[19:58] <SWATLLAMA> Go into your BIOS and change the UEFI boot order, ndroftheline.
[19:58] <grimeton> Guest37091: ifup/ifdown
[19:58] <Yowl> jhutchins: I don't understand like 90% of http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ So if you would please just answer a few questions
[19:59] <LinuxNoobish> even the terminal is all in black
[19:59] <Guest37091> grimeton have no screen connected to the machine
[19:59] <SWATLLAMA> Any way to put Mate on?
[19:59] <grimeton> Guest37091: so how do you want to MANUALLY tell the machine todo it then?
[19:59] <ndroftheline> Swatlana does the drive need to be connecteed directly to be detected in the uefi boot order? Its now showing up the.
[19:59] <Yowl> jhutchins: If I use that method to change a folders icon to that of a image, where is the image stored?
[20:00] <SWATLLAMA> I see instructions for 13.04, but not for 13.10
[20:00] <hitsujiTMO> ndroftheline: does it show up in the bios?
[20:00] <Guest37091> take the harddrive connect it to my machine and write it down somewhere i hope !
[20:00] <Yowl> jhutchins: Where is the .desktop created by default to tell the OS to show that image?
[20:00] <jpedroza2k> jhutchins, I have the intel guys in chat now, I will see if they can help me sort it.
[20:00] <LinuxNoobish> was that meant to me SWATLLAMA  to change the UEFI booting order ?
[20:01] <ndroftheline> Hitsujitmo yes the bios detects it but doesnt catch that its a ootable drive
[20:01] <LinuxNoobish> ah sorry wasnt me
[20:01] <SWATLLAMA> Not you, LinuxNoobish
[20:01] <malinus> should I update to 13.10? Any drawback of updating?
[20:01] <ndroftheline> But its connected via a usbcaddy maybe thats the problem?
[20:01] <SWATLLAMA> Some people are having bugs, malinus. I am not.
[20:01] <malinus> bugs like?
[20:02] <darkangel_> Does Linux people Host Internet Servers for linux users only?
[20:02] <SWATLLAMA> Ask LinuxNoobish.
[20:02] <malinus> LinuxNoobish, what kind of bugs rae you having?
[20:02] <SWATLLAMA> I'm going to go, since no one is paying attention to my question, or if they are, have no answer.
[20:02] <reisio> you say something?
[20:03] <hitsujiTMO> darkangel_: do you have an ubuntu supprt question?
[20:03] <FiremanEd> !patience | SWATLLAMA
[20:03] <LinuxNoobish> well im facing the problem after upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 my terminal all black the windows have black eages no names or x to close it and so on. malinus
[20:03] <vooze> Hey guys, I have a problem when I try to mount my Android (SGS 4 with Google Play edition) to ubuntu 13.10. It just opens a lot of windows like crazy with all kinds of errors.. Can anyone see if they can mount android devices via USB just fine? I'm just curious if its my hardware or whats wrong
[20:04] <pero> i just did a fresh install of 13.30, formatting everything except separately-partitioned /home  - on purpose to correct a myriad of issues from experimenting with various DEs.  but a bunch of my icons are still messed up - how can I reset even the unity tweaks persisting from the previous install?
[20:04] <hitsujiTMO> LinuxNoobish: can you post a screenshot of the exact problem?
[20:04] <LinuxNoobish> sure one minute
[20:04] <LinuxNoobish> hitsujiTMO
[20:05] <darkangel_> is it me or is Ubuntu internet SLOW?
[20:05] <bekks> darkangel_: Its you. ;)
[20:05] <darkangel_> lol ok
[20:06] <johnjohn101> alway slow  on the 1st day
[20:06] <ndroftheline> Greetings all is it normal for a uefi system to fail to detect a uefi installation on an extrnal usb drive? I cant boot my system drive from this usb caddy. Its a eufi installed system and a uefi comouter.
[20:06] <fishscene> Just grab the torrent files. Those go MUCh faster.
[20:06] <LittleMerrill_> No joke
[20:06] <ndroftheline> Computer
[20:06] <LittleMerrill_> non torrent for me=5 hours. Torrent= 20 mins
[20:06] <hitsujiTMO> ndroftheline: did you install it on another system and move the hdd to the current one?
[20:07] <malinus> If I update to 13.10 from 13.04, will ubuntu install unity and all the other, let me put it like this to keep it sfw: not necessary things, again?
[20:07] <darkangel_> when does 3.10 Kernels for ubuntu 12.04 LTS come out?
[20:07] <ndroftheline> Yes the other sysytem is broken
[20:07] <bekks> darkangel_: Never.
[20:07] <darkangel_> lovely
[20:07] <hitsujiTMO> darkangel_: lts does not update the kernel to a newer version from what is installed on the system
[20:08] <darkangel_> i c
[20:08] <vooze> darkangel_: just update the kernel your self?
[20:08] <vooze> its quite easy :)
[20:08] <darkangel_> i have 3.8 which is from Ubuntu 13.04 on my 12.04 system
[20:08] <DJ_Unibob> the upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 didn't have any issues for me.  A few updates for additional software, but nothing drastic.
[20:08] <darkangel_> odd
[20:08] <hitsujiTMO> 12.04.3 installs 3.8
[20:08] <darkangel_> aww ok
[20:09] <kureno> anyone know why steam isn't in the 13.10 repos?
[20:09] <fishscene> Now I'm curious. Does upgrading from 13.04 -> 13.10 upgrade the Kernel as well?
[20:09] <RobBurkeOne> Hey everyone. Little problem. I startet a system upgrade of my 12.10 to 13.04 in the terminal. On some point it asked me whether I wanted to keep my modified init.d/ondemand file or evaluate the file or open a terminal session for it. I chose to evaluate that. However, that session crashed somehow when I was about to close MC in it. And with that crash went my upgrade procedure. So I am afrait to shut down my system because I
[20:09] <RobBurkeOne> upgrade. What can I do?
[20:09] <ndroftheline> hitsujitmo yes thwts right its from a now broken system
[20:09] <Yowl> jhutchins	where does it make the  .desktop or .directory file. in the first place? And how does it know where to look for them?
[20:09] <darkangel_> yes fish
[20:09] <bekks> fishscene: Yes, but you can still boot the old kernel.
[20:10] <hitsujiTMO> kureno: steam is not supplied by ubuntu repos, download the installer from steampowered.com
[20:10] <gordonjcp> kureno: perhaps it removed the PPA?
[20:10] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: have you tried re running the upgrade command
[20:10] <jhutchins> Yowl: I think that document says.  .desktop files are valid in a number of different places, they're similar to a windows shortcut file.  .directory files should be, as I said before, in the root of the directory they apply to.
[20:10] <fishscene> Sounds good. Although I think I'll stick with the new kernel as long as VMtools and Virtualbox add-ons still work :)
[20:11] <LinuxNoobish> here is the prtsrn
[20:11] <LinuxNoobish> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybjevxz1tskcorz/Screenshot%20from%202013-10-17%2023%3A05%3A20.png
[20:11] <volko> How come there are package versions which do not follow the debian policy?
[20:11] <jhutchins> Yowl: That way whatever access that directory can use the .directory file, although it may interpret things like icon names uniquely.
[20:11] <LinuxNoobish> https://www.dropbox.com/s/evizdjj9x1s32c7/Screenshot%20from%202013-10-17%2023%3A08%3A59.png
[20:11] <volko> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[20:11] <Rory> volko: Because Ubuntu is Ubuntu, not Debian
[20:11] <kureno> hmm by default I had steam client in software center while on 13.04, after clean install it was gone. and I did not add the steam repos myself on 13.04
[20:11] <volko> but ubuntu uses dpkg
[20:11] <volko> is there an ubuntu policy?
[20:12] <volko> I'm trying to parse version fields but due to the discrepancy my regex is not working
[20:12] <hitsujiTMO> ndroftheline: from what i understand of uefi (i could be wrong on this) but when you install a system, it sets a reference to it in the the uefi boot menu. since you did not install that on the current system there is no reference in the uefi.
[20:12] <ChogyDan> volko: if there is a difference between debian and ubuntu packages, there is an addition of ubuntu<number>
[20:13] <ChogyDan> or maybe ~ubuntu<number>
[20:13] <RobBurkeOne> ChogyDan: Yeah, it said the process is locked
[20:13] <jhutchins> volko: Ubuntu's package manager is called dpkg, which is the same name that Debian's package manager has.  Other things may be similar as well, but they are NOT the same thing.
[20:13] <ndroftheline> Hitsujitmo ok yeah i figured it was somethng lke that. The uefi boot options are not detecting the reference. Im not even sure if its supposed to be able ro detect references in attached drives that were not installed directly.
[20:13] <volko> ChogyDan: that's fine, that follows debian policy
[20:13] <Yowl> jhutchins: Not sure what you mean by the root of the directory, but it is created and looked for in said directory, right?
[20:13] <volko> ChogyDan: it's when there is no -
[20:13] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: O_o
[20:14] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: what exactly is the difference?
[20:14] <RobBurkeOne> actually it said there is no exclusive access possible
[20:14] <gdrc> hello I need to install nexus 7 2013 driver on my ubuntu 2013. how can I do that?
[20:14] <vooze> http://imgur.com/lhFGVzA --> Hey guys, I have a problem when I try to mount my Android (SGS 4 with Google Play edition) to ubuntu 13.10. It just opens a lot of windows like crazy with all kinds of errors.. Can anyone see if they can mount android devices via USB just fine? I'm just curious if its my hardware or whats wrong
[20:14] <ChogyDan> volko: example?  and also, a better place to ask is #ubuntu-motu or maybe #ubuntu-packaging
[20:14] <volko> ChogyDan: debian packages are supposed to have a debian revision, which is the final portion after the last hyphen
[20:14] <ndroftheline> Does anybody know in general how to manipulate the uefi boot references? My uefi isnt detecting a newly attached drive with a uefi install of ubuntu.
[20:14] <k1l> volko: ubuntu uses another package naming sheme. and even with PPAs that is no way like its on debian
[20:14] <hitsujiTMO> ndroftheline: there is probably a tool that will fix this, but i'm not aware of any specific tool
[20:14] <jhutchins> Yowl: for /some/directory/somewhere/with/files/and/subdirectories, it will usually be honored for the directory it appears in, and sometimes for directories below that.
[20:15] <ndroftheline> K i will search ty
[20:15] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: maybe try `fg`
[20:16] <LinuxNoobish> hitsujiTMO: here are the print screens https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybjevxz1tskcorz/Screenshot%20from%202013-10-17%2023%3A05%3A20.png  and  https://www.dropbox.com/s/evizdjj9x1s32c7/Screenshot%20from%202013-10-17%2023%3A08%3A59.png
[20:16] <jhutchins> gordonjcp:  That would be pretty useless information for anybody who wasn't working on the packaging system, and they probably know.
[20:16] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: I *am* working on packaging stuff for Ubuntu and Debian
[20:16] <gdrc> hello I need to install nexus 7 2013 driver on my ubuntu 2013. how can I do that?
[20:16] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: I just cannot see a difference between dpkg on Ubuntu and dpkg on Debian
[20:17] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: You're not looking hard enough.
[20:17] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: I can see differences between the config files, and minor differences in the naming schemes
[20:17] <gordonjcp> jhutchins: but dpkg is itself pretty damn near identical
[20:17] <volko> ChogyDan: for instance alien version "8.886"
[20:17] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: They're derived from the same source code, sure, but different builds.
[20:17] <volko> "8.86"
[20:17] <volko> ChogyDan: no hyphen
[20:17] <k1l> gdrc: there is more than one version in 2013. which is it exactly?
[20:17] <volko> k1l: is that scheme formalized anywhere?
[20:17] <jhutchins> gordonjcp: Different patches, different options.
[20:18] <ultim8> How can i check that my video card driver is working properly? i'm on xubuntu 12.04
[20:18] <gdrc> k1l: Wi-Fi one , codename flo
[20:18] <madsy> I'm having a weird bug. The graphics output on my external monitors freezes when my laptop lid is closed, but not otherwise. Anyone knows if this is a known bug?
[20:18] <stepehen> hello !! can anyone tell me how to get skype and steam please? as its not showing in the software centre
[20:18] <madsy> Small recurrent freezes every minute or so
[20:18] <k1l> gdrc: i mean the ubuntu version you are using
[20:18] <gdrc> k1l: the one released today
[20:18] <k1l> gdrc: "lsb_release -a"
[20:18] <gdrc> 13.10
[20:18] <hitsujiTMO> ultim8: what driver have you installed?
[20:19] <ChogyDan> volko: that package is the same as debian: http://packages.debian.org/sid/alien
[20:19] <ultim8> hitsujiTMO, nvidia-319
[20:19] <DJones> gdrc: What do you need a driver for with a Nexus 7, just connecting it by cable gives access to the memory/storage area
[20:19] <rlaskey> I upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10, w/ / (but not /boot) encrypted via LUKS. I get passphrase window, but no USB support. PS/2 keyboard only way to proceed. Known bug?
[20:19] <ChogyDan> volko: so if there is a problem, it started in debian I think
[20:19] <gdrc> DJones: I need to develop on it.
[20:19] <Dudytz> hi all! is there a tightvnc viewer package in ubuntu?
[20:19] <hitsujiTMO> ultim8: you can see in your /var/log/xorg.log
[20:20] <reisio> Dudytz: apt-cache search vnc
[20:20] <k1l> gde33: install android-tools-adb and android-tools-fastboot
[20:20] <k1l> gdrc: ^
[20:20] <gdrc> I installed the sdk
[20:20] <ultim8> hitsujiTMO, ain't there some exec command for xchat to check?
[20:20] <Yowl> jhutchins: So not in the OS anyway, right? Is there a way to use this method to put a custom picture for a folder, but have folder icon around it so that I still know it's a folder?
[20:20] <gdrc> ./adb devices returns null
[20:20] <Kalel> Greetings folks..
[20:20] <k1l> gdrc: no
[20:20] <volko> ChogyDan: bah, debian... :|
[20:20] <gdrc> android-tools-adb is a package?
[20:20] <jhutchins> Yowl: If so, it's defined in that file.
[20:21] <volko> oh I found it
[20:21] <volko> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man5/deb-version.5.html
[20:21] <reisio> ultim8: /exec lspci -k | grep -i vga -A 3
[20:21] <k1l> gdrc: no you did it wrong. on ubuntu you dont load something from any webpage. you use the packages that ubunut brings you
[20:21] <volko> yep, that says optional
[20:21] <jhutchins> Yowl: I would think you'd create a custom icon by overlaying the image on the folder image.
[20:21] <RobBurkeOne> ChogyDan: What do you mean, try fg?
[20:21] <gdrc> k1l: mmh ok but on android website there is mac os x windows and linux versions
[20:21] <k1l> !apt | gdrc
[20:21] <Kalel> I just had downloaded a package with a few Ubuntu Ringtones. I'd like to change the boot sound for one of them.
[20:22] <gdrc> k1l: ok nice
[20:22] <jhutchins> Yowl: That's a job for an image editor, not the file browser.
[20:22] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: just the command.  Maybe it is running in the background.
[20:22] <ultim8> reisio, looks good?
[20:22] <LinuxNoobish> having the terminal all black and windows is that a known bug in 13.10 or im the 1st
[20:22] <reisio> ultim8: hrmm?
[20:22] <k1l> gdrc: yes, but ubuntu already ships packages with it that are made working with your setup
[20:22] <Yowl> jhutchins: But that would be too much work over tens or more of folders
[20:22] <gdrc> k1l: perfect
[20:22] <Yowl> jhutchins: What do you mean, defined in that file?
[20:22] <hitsujiTMO> ultim8, i go not use an nvidia card on ubuntu, so i'm not 100% on this, but it should be along the lines of this in the terminal: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "nvidia"
[20:22] <RobBurkeOne> ChogyDan: Ah, I see. it sais no such job...
[20:22] <jhutchins> cd ICAClient/linuxx86/keystore/cacerts/
[20:22] <jhutchins> Oops.
[20:23] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: hmm, there is a factoid somewhere that tells you how to release the lock file.  maybe aptlock
[20:23] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: are you sure there is nothing else trying to fiddle with packages?
[20:24] <gdrc> k1l: same: adb devices ?
[20:25] <k1l> gdrc: just search for "android" and it will show you the packages. install as needed
[20:25] <Kalel> Please, the songs path?
[20:26] <gdrc> k1l: I did. and no nexus 7 is installed. so, how can I install it?
[20:26] <k1l> gdrc: sorry. what do you want to install? you dont install "a nexus 7"
[20:27] <gdrc> giving adb shell I should get the list of devices. I don't get no one so I thinks is becouse the attached device (Nexus 7) is not installed (properly?)
[20:27] <gdrc> *adb devices sorry
[20:27] <k1l> if you have a ubuntu desktop and want to connect your nexus7 you need those adb and fastboot packages. if you want to install ubuntu-touch on the nexus7 that is a whole different task
[20:28] <k1l> gdrc: no. you just need to start adb now the proper way
[20:28] <reisio> better to transfer wirelessly
[20:28] <gdrc> reisio: lol. k1l: how? I did adb start-server and then adb devices. returns null.
[20:29] <gdrc> am I doing it wrong? if so, what exactly?
[20:29] <k1l> gdrc: "sudo adb kill-server"   and then "sudo adb start-server"
[20:29] <fishscene> gdrc: Is your device plugged in properly and turned on?
[20:29] <Wavesonics> hows the 13.10 roll out going? any problems?
[20:30] <gdrc> fishscene: of course. k1l: already done that
[20:30] <k1l> gdrc: put the output into a pastebin please
[20:30] <LinuxNoonish> tried rebooting and do a chkdsk to see if there is missing files when i upgraded to 13.10
[20:30] <a7i3n> Chris Fisher at Jupiter Broadcasting just made a snide remark on how old some of the packages are in 13.10. He seriously needs a life.
[20:30] <k1l> gdrc: is adb enabled on the nexus?
[20:30] <FesterJester> How does one hard link a folder?
[20:30] <reisio> FesterJester: what for
[20:30] <bekks> FesterJester: You cant hardlink folders.
[20:31] <benzrf> hello
[20:31] <bekks> FesterJester: Hardlinks are implemented for files only.
[20:31] <benzrf> running raring on a dell inspiron laptop, and my trackpad does not work at all
[20:31] <RobBurkeOne> gordonjcp: The only thing fiddling with my packages was my (now broken) system upgrade process
[20:31] <FesterJester> I want to link to a folder on another drive
[20:31] <benzrf> furthermore, `sudo find /dev -name *mouse*` turns up nothing at all
[20:31] <RobBurkeOne> ChogyDan: I hope so
[20:31] <bekks> FesterJester: Then you cant use hardlinks, not even for files.
[20:31] <bekks> FesterJester: Use symlinks.
[20:31] <benzrf> xdotool and so on manipulate the pointer fine
[20:32] <ChogyDan> FesterJester: just use ln -s
[20:32] <mutante> !bug
[20:32] <gdrc> k1l: now I get the device but it's offline mmmh
[20:32] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: ?  try restarting the upgrade process, if you get error msgs let us know
[20:32] <k1l> gdrc: honestly i think the problem is on the nexus site.
[20:33] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: okay, so that's now dead, right?
[20:33] <FesterJester> @ChogyDan: Thanks, that worked
[20:33] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: you no longer have a stuck update process hanging around?
[20:33] <benzrf> can anybody help??
[20:33] <LinuxNoonish> if i missed files is there a way  to get them back ?
[20:35] <RobBurkeOne> gordonjcp: "fg do-release-upgrade -d" gives me nothing
[20:35] <SonikkuAmerica> With Saucy, I boot it up, GRUB goes fine, then I get BusyBox with an initramfs prompt! ?
[20:35] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: if you reboot, then it is just `do-release-upgrade`
[20:35] <mutante> hah, yeah, for me that didn't even work between LTS versions
[20:35] <ChogyDan> no -d
[20:35] <RobBurkeOne> ChogyDan: I am afraid of rebooting because I fear the system does not come up again.
[20:36] <ChogyDan> RobBurkeOne: sorry, if you rebootted
[20:36] <jboii_> what is a nice app that can install windows ?
[20:36] <jboii_> i need to play football manag
[20:36] <Rory> !wine | jboii_
[20:36] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: can you pastebin the error message *verbatim*?
[20:36] <jboii_> yea
[20:36] <SonikkuAmerica> jboii_: Can you specify? Are you talking about a hypervisor or a VM program such as VirtualBox?
[20:36] <jboii_> it does not function
[20:36] <mutante> jboii_: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=26971
[20:37] <jboii_> install windows is what i need
[20:37] <jboii_> wine will not function
[20:37] <Rory> jboii_: Well, Football Manager doesn't have a Linux version. So you can try running it through Wine, or install Windows in a virtual machine with something like Virtualbox
[20:37] <RobBurkeOne> gordonjcp: Of course, They are in german though.
[20:37] <mutante> come on, it has "Gold" rating in wine and 12 votes
[20:37] <mutante> should work
[20:37] <jboii_> virtual box where can i get that ?
[20:37] <Rory> jboii_: The software centre
[20:38] <booh> I want grub2 don't use UUID and use /dev/sdaX instead.  How to do that?  I modified fstab at this moment but I don't know wich file to modify for grub
[20:38] <Rory> !virtualbox | jboii_
[20:38] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm running Ubuntu (Studio, but this is not a Studio-specific issue) 13.10's Live image through a hard drive partition I UUI'ed to. The GRUB menu works fine, but after the splash screen I get BusyBox and am (initramfs) prompt. What should I do?
[20:38] <SonikkuAmerica> s/am/an/
[20:39] <darkangel_> can 1 upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 strate to 13.10 without goin through all the versions with out just installing it from USB or CD
[20:39] <Dudytz> hi alll ... http://www.ubuntu.com/
[20:40] <Dudytz> the ubuntu website is down! http://www.ubuntu.com/
[20:40] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: das macht nichts für mich...
[20:40] <ChogyDan> darkangel_: no, only 12.04->14.04
[20:40] <darkangel_> ok thx  =)
[20:40] <reisio> Dudytz: neat
[20:40] <fishscene> Dudytz: Website works just fine for me.
[20:40] <reisio> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[20:40] <mutante> Dudytz: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu.com
[20:40] <reisio> fishscene: whereabouts are you?
[20:40] <reisio> no it's down here, too
[20:41] <reisio> probably an east coast problem
[20:41] <darkangel_> lol probley getting flooded from all the downloaders of 13.10
[20:41] <darkangel_> good stuff
[20:41] <andoriyu> just to confirm: switching keyboard layout with caps-lock is broken in 13.10?
[20:41] <darkangel_> ouch
[20:41] <fishscene> I'm in United States, West Coast. mutante's link says it is up too.
[20:41] <darkangel_> east coast hered
[20:42] <betty_> Is it possible to make the screen resolution bigger? Or basically shring everything on my screen to give me even more space?
[20:42] <darkangel_> its down here
[20:42] <betty_> shrink*
[20:42] <Rory> betty_: If you install the package "unity-tweak-tool" you can make the launcher and the fonts smaller
[20:42] <reisio> either means you guys have better providers, or laggy ones and you'll get it soon :p
[20:42] <Sach> I definitely have a working internet connection, yet I get this error when checking for updates through Update Manager: http://pastebin.com/A0dFTxDp
[20:42] <Rory> betty_: You can't display more pixels than your display physically has, however, unless you are a magician
[20:42] <mutante> darkangel_: make them all use torrent
[20:43] <mutante> Sach: "The Medibuntu Project has come to an end"
[20:43] <gdrc> k1l: thanks I solved with this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9210152/set-up-device-for-development-no-permissions
[20:43] <Assimilater> hey guys, for some reason my ubuntu server is having a hard time getting the linux kernel update: http://pastebin.com/PY089XdD can someone help me figure out what the problem is?
[20:43] <mutante> Sach: "The Medibuntu repository is unmaintained and offline."
[20:43] <betty_> Rory, what's the easiest way to download it?
[20:44] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can someone help me with ssh, i seemed to have deleted my old key on my server authorized key list because i wanted to make a new key without uploading the new one so i have access to the file via another computer
[20:44] <Psil0Cybin> but i cannot upload myt key to my server via the laptop i want
[20:44] <RobBurkeOne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253154/
[20:44] <Sach> mutante: ok thanks. so wha do I need to do to avoid these errors?
[20:44] <benzrf> can anybody help me?!
[20:44] <Psil0Cybin> what is a manual way of getting my key there i explorted the key and uploaded it to authorized_keys manually but it didnt work
[20:44] <betty_> Rory, found the apt-get nevermind
[20:44] <r0tha_> Psil0Cybin: check your permissions
[20:44] <Psil0Cybin> i did
[20:45] <Psil0Cybin> i made .ssh 700
[20:45] <Psil0Cybin> authroized keys 600
[20:45] <Psil0Cybin> still cannot connect :S
[20:46] <cipherson> So hows 13.10 updates ? any issues found yet??
[20:46] <oconnore> I just upgraded to 13.10, the 3.11.0-12 kernel boots to a black screen on the Asus UX31.
[20:46] <cipherson> O.o that no fun
[20:46] <oconnore> luckily I didn't delete the 3.8 kernel packages
[20:46] <mutante> Sach: afaik.. stop using medibuntu repos altogether, remove them from your sources.list .. i don't know what exactly was different in medibuntu vs. regular ubuntu
[20:47] <cipherson> 3.11 thats kinda old
[20:47] <Sach> mutante: how do I access sources.list?
[20:47] <ChogyDan> mutante: medibuntu used to be about installing DVD support and other codecs stuff
[20:47] <cipherson> wait no its not my bad lol
[20:47] <mutante> Sach: http://gauvain.pocentek.net/node/61
[20:49] <mutante> Sach: either it's a separate file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ or it's directly in /etc/apt/sources.list  (any texteditor)
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm running Ubuntu (Studio, but this is not a Studio-specific issue) 13.10's Live image through a hard drive partition I UUI'ed to. The GRUB menu works fine, but after the splash screen I get BusyBox and an (initramfs) prompt. What should I do?
[20:49] <darkangel_> for the Ones that didn't get Ubuntu 13.10 downloaded and cant download it from site 64 Bit :          cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/13.10/beta-1/ubuntustudio-13.10-beta1-dvd-amd64.iso.torrent
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> darkangel_: That's for Studio.
[20:50] <Psil0Cybin> can someone help me
[20:50] <darkangel_> ok
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> !anyone | Psil0Cybin
[20:50] <Psil0Cybin> sorry i cannot figure out why i cannot connect after i added my ssh keys
[20:51] <RobBurkeOne> gordonjcp: You noticed?
[20:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Psil0Cybin: You can test your SSH connection by SSH'ing directly to the site
[20:51] <Sach> mutante: thanks.  but how do I browse to /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[20:52] <andoriyu> can somebody confirm that inability to switch layouts by caps lock is a bug and not my curvy hands?
[20:53] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: what is the exact error you are getting, also you can add the -v flag for a more verbose output
[20:53] <Psil0Cybin> im getting permission denied (public Key) but i did not add the key via console i added the public key string into the authroized_key file
[20:53] <Psil0Cybin> on the server
[20:53] <Psil0Cybin> so i think something messed up that way
[20:53] <Psil0Cybin> manually
[20:54] <hitsujiTMO> did you disable passward auth?
[20:54] <hitsujiTMO> password*
[20:55] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: is there a file called /var/lib/dpkg/lock ?
[20:56] <Psil0Cybin> yes hitsujiTMO
[20:56] <Psil0Cybin> but i can conncet via another laptop
[20:56] <Psil0Cybin> i just cant figure out why its not working on this laptop
[20:56] <Psil0Cybin> could it be the known_hosts?
[20:56] <Psil0Cybin> because i did not add it via terminal so its missing another add on?
[20:57] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: like i added the public key string right under neath properly in authorized_keys
[20:57] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: please connect via the other laptop so we can see where the problem is
[20:57] <Psil0Cybin> so im confused
[20:57] <Psil0Cybin> i am connected
[20:57] <Psil0Cybin> on my other laptop
[20:57] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm running Ubuntu (Studio, but this is not a Studio-specific issue) 13.10's Live image through a hard drive partition I UUI'ed to. The GRUB menu works fine, but after the splash screen I get BusyBox and an (initramfs) prompt. What should I do?
[20:57] <Psil0Cybin> im in authorized_keys now buti t seems properly added
[20:58] <RobBurkeOne> gordonjcp: indeed it is. Deleting it will do the thing?
[20:58] <hitsujiTMO> can you post the authorized_keys file ? dont worry its safe to do so
[20:58] <apb_> I'm trying to use ubuntu.com, it wants a login keyring password...  anyone know how I can access & set that password?
[20:59] <belgianguy> sheesh, the blocker was the xorg-edgers PPA, removed that, broke X, installed 13.10 through root shell, fought with X, fglrx and friends, won, and started IRC :p
[20:59] <hitsujiTMO> gz belgianguy: i honestly would have given up a long time ago
[21:00] <belgianguy> hitsujiTMO: well I'm a struggler :p
[21:00] <marlinc> Is there a way to get the username of the user who logged in when using pam_motd which updates the motd. I'm using it to show some user specific things
[21:02] <hitsujiTMO> marlinc `whoami` in your /etc/update-motd.d scripts
[21:02] <betty_> Why isn't my <super> working? I hit my windows key + s to bring up the switch work places thing, and it doesn't do anything
[21:02] <Kalel> I had installed Musique app but it does not have hardware integration. Is it fixable?
[21:03] <marlinc> Okay let me check. Because exports doesn't show anything related to the suer
[21:03] <marlinc> User*
[21:03] <hitsujiTMO> marlinc, also .profile gets called after the motd
[21:04] <marlinc> Damn whoami is showing root..
[21:05] <hitsujiTMO> marlinc what way are you testing?
[21:06] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: when i make a key for SSH in the passwords and keys in ubuntu
[21:06] <Psil0Cybin> and it cannot conncet to server when it asks for the remote login info
[21:06] <Psil0Cybin> what is it trying to do
[21:06] <Psil0Cybin> just add the public key to authorized_keys?
[21:07] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: what is the exact commands you are running?
[21:07] <marlinc> Well I want to show a text in the MoTD when a user in a specific group logs in
[21:07] <Psil0Cybin> im usiing the Password and Keys
[21:07] <Psil0Cybin> GUI
[21:07] <Psil0Cybin> in Xubuntu
[21:07] <Systemic33> What is the best way to upgrade to 13.10 from 13.04, without doing a complete fresh install?
[21:07] <marlinc> But in order to that I either need to get the groups directly or get the user's username
[21:07] <marlinc> Somehow
[21:07] <hitsujiTMO> marlinc, you could add that to the .profile in their home directory
[21:08] <Kalel> I had installed Musique app but it does not have hardware integration. Is it fixable?
[21:08] <Kalel> !hardware-integration
[21:08] <marlinc> Well I'm ldap to handle the logins. So I can't add it to every single user's .profile
[21:09] <shvelo> fucking fuck -_- why can't I install 13.10 from a fucking USB stick on UEFI system
[21:09] <Pici> Kalel: Can you provide more information as to what that means?
[21:09] <Pici> shvelo: Mind your language please.
[21:09] <Psil0Cybin> i got it working
[21:09] <Psil0Cybin> something was off
[21:09]  * shvelo is angry 
[21:09] <Psil0Cybin> now it works
[21:10] <Kalel> Pici: Ok, the media buttons doesn't works with the Musique app, the simple music player.
[21:10] <marlinc> Ah I found a system wide profile thingy
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> marlinc maybe add it to /etc/profile then?
[21:10] <marlinc> Yea thats what I found
[21:10] <marlinc> Thanks
[21:11] <shvelo> can someone help me?  I'm on Fedora and want to create a bootable Ubuntu USB stick
[21:12] <RobBurkeOne> okay, Problem solved so far. Thanks gordonjcp and ChogyDan  :)
[21:12] <_Trullo> shvelo, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB
[21:12] <Psil0Cybin> guys how come my ssh key says strength 4112 when i selected 4096
[21:12] <sedeki> clang++ cannot find iostream?? what's wrong?
[21:12] <shvelo> _Trullo, none of the options work
[21:13] <hitsujiTMO> shvelo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17251/how-to-make-an-ubuntu-live-usb-stick-in-fedora
[21:13] <Systemic33> How do I upgrade to 13.10 without fresh install ?
[21:13] <sedeki> is there a "build-essential" package that has changed name?
[21:13] <LukeL> !upgrade
[21:13] <shvelo> I think something is wrong with the image
[21:14] <hitsujiTMO> shvelo: check the md5
[21:15] <aaas> i got warnings (from zabbix) of too many processes...any idea how i can find what these are?  top doesn't look strange except the total of 311 proccess
[21:16] <aaas> ah if  i scroll down seems like i have lots of check-new-release
[21:16] <shvelo> hitsujiTMO, md5 matches :/
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> shvelo, where is the process going wrong?
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> is it just not booting the usb?
[21:18] <chare> btrfs support in saucy?
[21:18] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys anyone know i tried to make a SSH Key that is 4096 bit, but instead it says that it made 4112 bit
[21:18] <Psil0Cybin> is that normal?
[21:18] <fishscene> Am I supposed to have a clock in my top menu bar? It isn't there and "Time & Date > Clock" system settings are all greyed out.
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> chare: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs
[21:19] <fishscene> Fresh install of 13.10 x64
[21:19] <chare> site doesn't say anything about saucy
[21:19] <marlinc> Thanks hitsujiTMO
[21:19] <hitsujiTMO> chare if its supported in earlier versions it will be supported in saucy
[21:20] <hitsujiTMO> your welcome marlinc
[21:20] <chare> thats what they always say until it ships with a bug...
[21:20] <bekks> chare: There is no bugfree software on this planet.
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: i dont think so ...
[21:21] <shvelo> hitsujiTMO, it doesn't get recognized as UEFI boot option, and says 'isolinux.bin not found or corrupted'  on legacy boot
[21:21] <ubuntu-studio> hi
[21:21] <gordonjcp> RobBurkeOne: try it and see...
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: can you not use the command lines tools to create your key?
[21:23] <LuxuryMode> trying to install oracle java using this method: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/01/install-oracle-java-jdk-7-in-ubuntu-via.html but im getting "E: Unable to locate package oracle-java7-installer"
[21:24] <hitsujiTMO> shvelo have you tried unetbootin? it seems to be the most effective method for most people under linux
[21:25] <OerHeks> LuxuryMode, after adding the PPA, did you perform " sudo apt-get update " ?
[21:25] <shvelo> hitsujiTMO, yea tried unetbootin too, same
[21:25] <LuxuryMode> OerHeks yup
[21:25] <hitsujiTMO> shvelo: have you tried another usb key, the one you are using may be faulty
[21:25] <shvelo> no I didn't
[21:25] <LuxuryMode> OerHeksoh weird i actually didnt see that it also said "add-apt-repository: command not found"
[21:25] <LuxuryMode> OerHeks^
[21:26] <hitsujiTMO> LuxuryMode: have you run: sudo apt-get update
[21:26] <chare> AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 445 Processor will work with 64-bit saucy?
[21:26] <shvelo> btw I've noticed that the image uses MBR partition table
[21:26] <bekks> chare: yes.
[21:26] <shvelo> and the EFI boot partition has bad superblock
[21:26] <OerHeks> LuxuryMode, what ubuntu version are you using ?
[21:27] <LuxuryMode> OerHeks, 12.04
[21:27] <chare> bekks: so which software do i want to use to burn the dvd of saucy
[21:27] <bekks> chare: Whichever you normally use to burn a dvd.
[21:27] <moppy> chare: are you on windows 7?
[21:28] <chare> linux
[21:28] <LuxuryMode> OerHeks, looks likes i need this sudo apt-get install python-software-properties first?
[21:28] <gregoryfenton> Hi all :) Currently my server has shared over 33 iso files of each desktop-64 and desktop-32, as well as 10 amd64+mac :) Thank heaven for unlimited bandwidth :D
[21:28] <chare> what dvd burning am i suppose to use on linux
[21:28] <bekks> chare: k3b.
[21:28] <OerHeks> LuxuryMode, i don't know, it is not mentioned in that ppa page. ask the owner of that ppa?
[21:29] <LuxuryMode> http://askubuntu.com/questions/38021/how-to-add-a-ppa-on-a-server
[21:29] <OerHeks> LuxuryMode, ah you solved your own issue, great
[21:30] <LuxuryMode> eh not quite
[21:30] <LuxuryMode> :(
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> LuxuryMode: if you installed a minimal system then python-software-properties is not installed which contains the command apt-add-repository
[21:30] <LuxuryMode> still doesnt seem to work
[21:30] <Psil0Cybin> hitsujiTMO: is this the command i would use to make the key
[21:30] <Psil0Cybin> ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096
[21:30] <Psil0Cybin> ?
[21:30] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Yep, that should work.
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: yes
[21:31] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: The actual file may be larger as it contains things like the system ID.
[21:31] <Psil0Cybin> buy guys
[21:31] <Psil0Cybin> but guys when i go to the GUI and right click it and go to propertys
[21:31] <Psil0Cybin> it stils says strength 4112
[21:31] <Psil0Cybin> :S
[21:32] <Psil0Cybin> what is a command to view in the terminal what the strenth of a key is
[21:32] <Psil0Cybin> im using the Passwords and keys GUI
[21:32] <Psil0Cybin> you can see the Key right away as i made it in the terminal
[21:32] <hitsujiTMO> luxurymode what is the output of: apt-add-repository ppa:webupd8team/java
[21:33] <Psil0Cybin> when i right click it in Passwords and Keys: i get Algorithm: RSA Strength: 4112 location: /home/psil0/.ssh/pi and the fingerprint
[21:33] <chare> what is saucy md5 checksum
[21:33] <Psil0Cybin> i am so confused
[21:33] <Psil0Cybin> why the GUI says strength 4112 but in the terminal i wrote 4096
[21:33] <Psil0Cybin> my personal email keys
[21:33] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: Which command did you use for creating the key?
[21:33] <hitsujiTMO> Psil0Cybin: sounds like that GUI is off
[21:33] <Psil0Cybin> say 4096
[21:33] <Psil0Cybin> but not the SSH Keys
[21:34] <Psil0Cybin> i used ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096
[21:34] <Psil0Cybin> when i right click on my email keys in Passwords & Keys i get 4096 but when i do SSH I see 4112 :S
[21:34] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: The ssh key is something different than your gpg key.
[21:34] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub - first number is keystrength.
[21:35] <Psil0Cybin> so im confused
[21:35] <Psil0Cybin> i did the wrong command
[21:36] <Psil0Cybin> this was wrong? ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 ?
[21:36] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: Yes.
[21:36] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: If you want to generate a gpg key, use gpg
[21:36] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: THat generated a key.  The command I showed lists the key info.
[21:36] <OerHeks> !checksum > chare
[21:36] <rootdigga> hi
[21:36] <jhutchins> bekks: Um, no, I don't think that will work at all.
[21:36] <designbybeck> If I try to open a apt: link in Firefox and it doesn't open the Software Center and Firefox is asking Choose an Appplication? What do I give it????
[21:36] <Psil0Cybin> OKAY
[21:36] <jhutchins> bekks: Oh, sorry, yes
[21:36] <Psil0Cybin> in the terminal it says 4096
[21:36] <bekks> jhutchins: Yeah :)
[21:36] <Psil0Cybin> in the Gui it said 4112
[21:36] <Psil0Cybin> see
[21:37] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:37] <Psil0Cybin> thats what i wanted to see
[21:37] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: Two different keys, for two different purposes.
[21:37] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: The key generated with ssh-keygen will never be used for encryption of emails.
[21:37] <Psil0Cybin> no no no i am aware guys
[21:37] <Psil0Cybin> im tryign to state that the GUI of the password and keys program in Xubuntu
[21:38] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: You are still mixing up ssh and gpg keys.
[21:38] <Psil0Cybin> showed details of all KEYS in my email keys i stated that the strength was 4096
[21:38] <Psil0Cybin> but!
[21:38] <Psil0Cybin> when  iright clicked the SSH key and clicked details
[21:38] <Psil0Cybin> it said strength 4112
[21:38] <Psil0Cybin> so i was scratching my head
[21:38] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:38] <OerHeks> easy on the enter Psil0Cybin
[21:38] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Use more commas and fewer CRs.
[21:38] <k1l> !enter > Psil0Cybin
[21:39] <Psil0Cybin> yea sorry just excited, just was confused why a terminal and gui would state different numbers, that is
[21:39] <Psil0Cybin> was confused if maybe by it stating 4112 that it might be flawed or have a security issue in the GUI
[21:39] <Psil0Cybin> but because the terminal confirmed it was 4096, i can rest easy and just suspect that the GUI has some issues
[21:40] <Psil0Cybin> or perhaps does not know that SSH keys use 4096 these days
[21:40] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: The terminal confirmed that your SSH key is 4096 - it did not even touch yout gpg key.
[21:40] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: Told you three times now. :)
[21:40] <belkinsa> Is there a way to batch edit Smart Lens?
[21:41] <belkinsa> Er, in 13.10.
[21:41] <Psil0Cybin> okay yea thanks sorry, yup when i ran ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub it said 4096
[21:41] <k1l> belkinsa: can you rephrase?
[21:41] <malinus> I'm trying to use the default desktop-sharing software on ubuntu 13.10. and connect to it (local network), with remmina remote desktop, using VNC protocol. Especially considering that it's very unsecure I'm amazed how slow it is. Anything I can do to make it faster?
[21:42] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: For the FOURTH time: your ssh key is something totally different then your gpg key.
[21:42] <reisio> malinus: if it's slow over local network, your local network is probably overly slow
[21:42] <jhutchins> bekks: Are you familiar with this GUI utility he's using?
[21:42] <belkinsa> You know the search results from the different sites, you can disable them one-by-one but is there a way to do it in one go?
[21:42] <bekks> jhutchins: Yeah, it doesnt use his ssh keys.
[21:42] <Psil0Cybin> bekks: so what does that have to do with Encryption strength i am soooo confused...@ what your saying I know SSH keys and GPG keys are different, but they can BOTH be accessed through ONE gui.
[21:43] <malinus> reisio, nah it isn't. I'm doing the same thing with ubuntu (tightvnc) -> win7 (tightvnc), and it's very smooth and fast
[21:43] <jhutchins> bekks: I thought maybe it had the option to manage them.
[21:43] <Psil0Cybin> it was that GUI that was showing different numbers that was confusing me
[21:43] <malinus> reisio, so I'm just trying to figure out which of the software I'm using here that is at fault.
[21:43] <reisio> malinus: probably your graphics, then
[21:43] <Psil0Cybin> I was using the GUI only to Observe all the KEYS that i have on my computer and SSH Keys/ both different but can be accessed via ONE Gui named Password & Keys that comes Default and Standard with Xubuntu
[21:43] <malinus> reisio, my graphics?
[21:43] <bekks> Psil0Cybin: You ssh key is still 4096, while your gpg key is 4112.
[21:43] <Psil0Cybin> nooooo
[21:44] <reisio> malinus: yup
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> it said my GPG Key was 4096, but stated my SSH Key was 4112
[21:44] <malinus> reisio, what is "my graphics"?
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> thats why i was confused
[21:44] <reisio> malinus: the software driver for your graphics hardware
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> its just a manager
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> i dont use it to make the keys
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> just to look @ them
[21:44] <Psil0Cybin> and hit details, if i get confused
[21:44] <FloodBot1> Psil0Cybin: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:44] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Try to proceed without worrying about it at this point, it's a pretty trivial detail.  If the GUI has a slightly longer key it should still work.  Try it, use it to connect to a remote system, then see what the key looks like on that remote system.
[21:45] <belkinsa> Nevermind, found my answer.
[21:45] <malinus> reisio, it was on the same computer. So I'm guessing the host computers drivers from the kernal are just very bad?
[21:45] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Don't get bogged down in the details at this stage, just go with the flow until something breaks.
[21:45] <Psil0Cybin> how do i do it via the remote system? I connect just fine :) I just want to make sure my key is secure, and it isnt easy to break :P thats it im just worried if maybe the key was encrypted wrong or something, that lets it to be easy brute forced
[21:45] <Psil0Cybin> or something
[21:46] <Psil0Cybin> but yea you guys are calming me down im just parranoid about every little discrepency
[21:46] <reisio> malinus: you're comparing Ubuntu (1) to Windows 7 (2) and Ubuntu (1) to Ubuntu (3) ?
[21:46] <malinus> reisio, yes.
[21:46] <jhutchins> Psil0Cybin: Use keygen -l as before to list details of the public key that your system pushed to the remote.
[21:46] <jhutchins> !openssh
[21:47] <jhutchins> We should update that, putty is available on Linux for consistency these days.
[21:47] <bekks> The linux putty implementation is pretty bad.
[21:47] <reisio> it's a port
[21:47] <malinus> reisio, also, is it possible to make the vnc go over ssh? The "desktop sharing preferences", doesn't show that option. Is it possible to do it?
[21:47] <reisio> malinus: yes it is
[21:48] <zykotick9> jhutchins: found out yesterday that putty uses propritary keys :(  these need to be converted for regular openssh use... sillyness.
[21:48] <bekks> malinus: Yes, you can tunnel VNC through ssh.
[21:48] <hitsujiTMO> putty itself i find is pretty bad. I used to use it all the time and got annoyed at its key files
[21:48] <malinus> reisio, mind telling me how? The "desktop sharing preferences" options are very sparse.
[21:48] <Rory> malinus: Look up "vnc ssh tunneling" I can't remember the actual format
[21:48] <reisio> malinus: and 1 to 3 is the one you find slow?
[21:48] <Rory> zykotick9: It's the same keys, just held in a special container format
[21:49] <malinus> reisio, sorry for bothering you. Much of the slowness came with the fact that the ubuntu "desktop sharer" doesn't turn on the bakcgroud.
[21:49] <jpedroza2k> The guys at Intel had me download a custom kernel from their git repo. Hos do I build a kernel like that on 13.10?
[21:49] <jpedroza2k> How...
[21:49] <reisio> malinus: so... solved, or?
[21:50] <reisio> jpedroza2k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[21:50] <malinus> reisio, yeah, now I just need someone one 13.10 to check if this is how their options looks like: http://www.techotopia.com/images/1/12/Ubuntu_advanced_remote_desktop_preferences2.jpg
[21:50] <malinus> because mine doesn't :/
[21:50] <reisio> malinus: you don't have a 'require encryption' bit?
[21:51] <malinus> reisio, I'm missing a lot of those options. including "require encryption", yes. 13.10
[21:51] <reisio> k
[21:51] <frodopwns> is ubuntu-upstart the thing that lets you start/stop apache via "sudo service start/stop" ?
[21:51] <Rory> malinus: Have you just upgraded?
[21:51] <reisio> malinus: I don't have 13.10 handy
[21:51] <Rory> frodopwns: Yes
[21:51] <frodopwns> ty
[21:51] <malinus> Rory, yes
[21:51] <reisio> malinus: I believe most of the over ssh aspect is done from the client side, also
[21:51] <Rory> malinus: Perhaps reboot?
[21:51] <Dr_Willis> !upstart | frodopwns
[21:51] <reisio> I can say that I'd recommend tigervnc over others, though ;)
[21:51] <malinus> Rory, well it just looks like the menu have been changed
[21:52] <reisio> and there are some "rdp" implementations you might look into in the future
[21:52] <frodopwns> im hoping to tie a python app to the upstart system
[21:52] <reisio> xrdp, and wayland is supposed to support a form of rdp, too
[21:53] <malinus> reisio, it's not in the repository of ubuntu :(
[21:53] <kureno> what is wayland? haven't been very active in the linux universe for quite some time
[21:53] <malinus> Rory, also I'be obviously restarted after upgrading
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> frodopwns:  id check out that 'upstart cookbook' web site - it has the best docs on it ive seen.
[21:53] <reisio> malinus: 's'okay, I recommend it over tightvnc, but it's not amazingly superior
[21:53] <Dr_Willis> kureno:  a replacement for 'X'
[21:54] <reisio> kureno: wayland will replace X soon
[21:54] <malinus> reisio, what do you use for server-side? also the tigervnc?
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> frodopwns: all info you need to write your own upstart config is in the cookbook http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/   don't be afraid to look at the existing upstart configs in your system as examples
[21:54] <frodopwns> k thanks guys i will chekcout the cookbook
[21:55] <frodopwns> you guys were much more helpful than #python :-)
[21:55] <ZeThomas> hello, I have just installed 13.10 (lubuntu variant) on my new laptop, and got it working after adding nomodeset to grub; however, once through the whole install process, now it only wants to boot in tty1-6, and doing ctrl-alt-F7 only gives me a blinking cursor...
[21:55] <reisio> malinus: I use tigervnc, usually just to connect to already running X sessions
[21:55] <reisio> malinus: and not usually over ssh, because I only VNC locally
[21:55] <reisio> but I did try over ssh, it's a simple change to the _client_ side command, IIRC
[21:55] <malinus> reisio, but even locally, all the data isn't encrypted. Your root password etc. would be send unencrypted.
[21:56] <hitsujiTMO> zethomas what graphics chepset(s) do you have
[21:56] <reisio> and if my local network were compromised, that would be a problem
[21:57] <malinus> reisio, if I understand correctly, it doesn't have to be. You can just scramble the data from the air.
[21:57] <malinus> at least everything not encrypted
[21:57] <reisio> malinus: hrmm?
[21:57] <ZeThomas> hitsujiTMO, I have AMD radeon hd 8180 graphics
[21:57] <gianfranco> hello
[21:57] <reisio> hi gianfranco
[21:58] <smandy> hi gianfranco :-)
[21:58] <edgetor> has anyone experienced an issue with mcrypt on php no longer registering after upgrading to 13.10?
[21:59] <hitsujiTMO> ZeThomas: can you install pastebinit: sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[21:59] <fahadash> When viewing a "folder" in ubuntu, is there any way we can get "address bar" like in windows ?
[21:59] <fahadash> Using 12.4 LTS
[21:59] <kureno> oh about time X got replaced lol
[22:00] <reisio> fahadash: I believe that is a pref for nautilus, yes
[22:00] <gianfranco> ;-)
[22:00] <fahadash> reisio: Is that a .conf parameter somewhere in /etc ?
[22:00] <hitsujiTMO> ZeThomas: once thats done can you post the result of cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "(EE)" | pastebinit
[22:01] <reisio> fahadash: it might be, but you'd probably want to change it through nautilus' own menu prefs
[22:01] <reisio> fahadash: or via gconf/-editor
[22:01] <chare> has anyone successfully installed Saucy with btrfs
[22:01] <Wug> I don't suppose anyone has issues with the unity search panel on 13.10
[22:01] <loa> hello
[22:01] <reisio> chare: probably someone has
[22:01] <reisio> loa: hi
[22:01] <Wug> now that it's thursday and that question goes here
[22:01] <fahadash> Thanks reisio
[22:01] <chare> reisio I need definitive confirmation
[22:02] <loa> is here dota 2 players? i meen that people who plays under ubuntu?
[22:02] <hitsujiTMO> wug what issue do you have?
[22:02] <aaas> windows 8.1 and ubuntu 13.10 release around the same time, and wouldn't you know it ubuntu machines are updated, windows 8.1 is full of pain
[22:02] <Wug> hitsujiTMO: it never loads anything.  not much to describe
[22:02] <ZeThomas> hitsujiTMO, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253548
[22:02] <Wug> the little circle that indicates it's loading never goes away, and no items are ever displayed
[22:02] <reisio> chare: then try it
[22:03] <chare> NO YOU TRY IT FIRSTE
[22:03] <hitsujiTMO> ZeThomas: follow this to install fglrx
[22:03] <hitsujiTMO> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[22:04] <reisio> chare: but I'm not interested
[22:04] <reisio> and I have no reason whatsoever to believe it won't just work
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> wug, even if you just type "t" ?
[22:05] <chare> reisio: how can you do that to me!!!!
[22:05] <hitsujiTMO> chare why not just try it on a virtual machine?
[22:06] <reisio> chare: :)
[22:06] <gianfranco> ma questa comunità serve per download file?
[22:06] <hitsujiTMO> !es | gianfranco
[22:06] <Wug> hitsujiTMO: nothing I type produces any varying result.  searching for files, programs, web sites, anything.
[22:08] <KingMichael> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl1c0q3OqD0
[22:08] <chare> hitsujitmo I WANT NOW
[22:08] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: italian :p
[22:08] <gianfranco> y
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> spanish, italian, its all the same to me :P
[22:08] <gianfranco> ù
[22:08] <reisio> eh
[22:09] <reisio> gianfranco: files?
[22:09] <loa> hitsujiTMO, sorry i was afk, you are about dota 2? or it was not for me?
[22:09] <loa> i see that i always load very slow when start dota first time.
[22:10] <loa> next time loading is very fast.
[22:10] <ultim8> Hi. how to install xfce4-xkb-plugin in xubuntu? i understand that this is what i need for the keyboard layots.
[22:10] <tjj> How can I permanently disable cpu throttling on ubuntu?
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> wug, can you go to: system settings -> security & privacy -> search -> disable online lookup    and see if that effects it
[22:10] <hitsujiTMO> loa, not sure it that was me or not
[22:11] <ZeThomas> hitsujiTMO, Unable to locate package fglrx-installer, do I try the manual way?
[22:11] <loa> hitsujiTMO, you pla dota under ubuntu?
[22:11] <loa> play *
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> nope, well not yet
[22:12] <gianfranco> non saprei
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> ZeThomas: did you run apt-get update first ?
[22:12] <loa> hitsujiTMO, ok. and don't start :D
[22:12] <Ari-Yang> ZeThomas: why are you installing fglrx?
[22:14] <ZeThomas> Ari-Yang, because hitsujiTMO told me so :) (more seriously, I don't get any X, see http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253548
[22:14] <jpedroza2k> How do I get grub to show each time I reboot?
[22:14] <rufsketch1> Hey all. How do I go about changing what module parameters should be set at start time?
[22:14] <reisio> jpedroza2k: checkout /etc/default/grub
[22:15] <rufsketch1> like, doing 'modprobe cx23885 card=3' automatically, given that the system seems to prefer to default to card=0
[22:15] <Wug> hitsujiTMO: I shall try that when I'm next sitting in front of it
[22:15] <Ari-Yang> ZeThomas: I see... what card do you have?
[22:15] <ZeThomas> Ari-Yang, ATI Radeon HD 8180
[22:16] <acovrig> What happens if I have a samba4 in ubuntu as a subdomain to a windows server and the windows server goes offline?
[22:18] <zeifer> Hello Ubuntu, been wondering about any possible advancements with ATI support and Xserve 1.13?
[22:18] <zeifer> Legacy drivers, I should say.
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> ar-yang, zethomas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver 8180 was not supported in 13.04 and is prob still not supported in 13.10 by radeondriver
[22:19] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: tbh fglrx is terrible... it has terrible 2d acceleration
[22:19] <zeifer> That's what I feared. I didn't want to roll my lappy back to windows.
[22:19] <jpedroza2k> thanks reisio
[22:19] <Ari-Yang> if you aren't a gamer then you're better off using the open source radeon driver, then again the OSS is catching up with gaming performance
[22:20] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what ubuntu version are you on and why were you considering installing fglrx?
[22:20] <zeifer> I was sort of hoping to try out the Linux Steam client.
[22:20] <nemtom> Hi, do you know why I have all the time error: attempt to read or writeoutside of disk (hd0)
[22:20] <nemtom> and grub rescue?
[22:20] <nemtom> Fresh install
[22:21] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what graphics card do you have and what ubuntu version are you running on?
[22:21] <zeifer> I believe I'm on 12.04 at the moment. The integrated card is an RS880M or HD4250.
[22:21] <csabi> hali
[22:21] <nemtom> I've installed 19 times
[22:22] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: in terminal run lsb_release -a
[22:22] <Ari-Yang> it should tell you what ubuntu version...
[22:22] <Ari-Yang> is this a laptop or desktop?
[22:22] <zeifer> laptop
[22:22] <zeifer> One sec on the terminal command.
[22:22] <vanishing> anyone running gnome-flashback session?
[22:23] <zeifer> Okay, it's 13.04 I'm running.
[22:23] <Ari-Yang> !anyone > vanishing
[22:23] <baggar11> Will the 3.11 kernel be available in previous versions of ubuntu now that 13.10 is out?
[22:23] <nemtom> How should I ask a question that it will be answered?
[22:23] <Ari-Yang> !precise
[22:23] <bekks> nemtom: You never know wether a question will be answered.
[22:23] <zeifer> !raring
[22:23] <reisio> baggar11: if it's available anywhere, it's available
[22:24] <nemtom> bekks: thanks. good to know
[22:24] <baggar11> reisio: I'm wondering about ubuntu repo's
[22:24] <RobbyF> best upgrade yet
[22:24] <baggar11> reisio: I know it can be downloaded already
[22:25] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: what's the current kernel of 12.04?
[22:25] <Ari-Yang> 3.8?
[22:25] <baggar11> Ari-Yang: 3.8
[22:25] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: 12.04.3?
[22:25] <baggar11> yep
[22:25] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: if there is a 12.04.4, chances are it will be 3.10 or 3.11
[22:25] <csabi> emmeg mi
[22:25] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: why do you ask?
[22:26] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: do you get results when you run apt-cache search fglrx ?
[22:26] <baggar11> Ari-Yang: I just recently learned that canonical backported kernels from newer versions.
[22:26] <bekks> !mainline | Ari-Yang
[22:26] <baggar11> Ari-Yang: so I was just wondering if that was still going to be the case with the 13.10 kernel. available for previous releases...
[22:26] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: well you could wait/hope they will or just get mainline
[22:26] <karab44> why the heck mouse move causes 100% cpu usage?????
[22:27] <vanishing> Ari-Yang: just wanted to see if gnome-flashback sessions are still being used by people
[22:27] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: I'm using mainline myself, and running 12.10
[22:27] <Ari-Yang> Akaigo-Arc 3.11.4-031104-generic x86_64 Description: Ubuntu 12.10 Codename: quantal
[22:27] <zeifer> Yeah, fglrx as well as amdcccle. These were tried on linux mint before I went to try Xubuntu.
[22:27] <zeifer> They didn't work or caused the system to freeze at boot.
[22:27] <baggar11> Ari-Yang: I guess I'll wait. Thanks.
[22:28] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: yeah I figured... that's fglrx for you.... I could help you setup your laptop so it has better performance in gaming... but that requires you to update your kernel and mesa
[22:28] <Ari-Yang> baggar11: if you don't want to wait you can install latest 3.11 here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.5-saucy/
[22:28] <Ari-Yang> it's latest stable
[22:29] <vanishing> not sure if pf-kernel can be recommended here
[22:29] <baggar11> Ari-Yang: thanks, I've seen that. I'm mainly asking for my servers, so maybe I asked in the wrong channel. :)
[22:29] <vanishing> but if you really want, you can :D
[22:30] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, that would  not require me to upgrade to 13.10, right?
[22:30] <zeifer> I'm just assuming that 13.10 has released already since it's October.
[22:30] <karab44> Hey ubuntu 13.10 consumes all CPU when moving mouse! Don't upgrade!!!
[22:31] <zeifer> Thanks for the tip. :)
[22:31] <Ari-Yang> karab44: that's your problem...not everyone else has that problem
[22:31] <Ari-Yang> :/
[22:31] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: upgrading the kernel and mesa won't upgrade you to 13.10
[22:31] <karab44> Ari-Yang: that's not my problem
[22:31] <k1l> karab44: better research what the problem is instead of that FUD
[22:31] <karab44> that's UBUNTU PROBLEMN
[22:31] <zeifer> I'm just operating on limited bandwidth, so I wanted to make sure. Thank you Ari-Yang.
[22:32] <vanishing> karab44: I don't have that problem, so it must be on your end
[22:32] <wylde> karab44: no problems of that sort here.
[22:32] <karab44> yeah, my i7 is probably insane
[22:32] <vanishing> karab44: yea probably
[22:32] <karab44> one of cores get's 100% busy when moving mouse
[22:33] <karab44> that's totally wrong
[22:33] <vanishing> how so
[22:33] <karab44> I understand that now everybody needs performance but I do
[22:33] <DenSaakalte> Good afternoon
[22:33] <vanishing> not*
[22:34] <karab44> vanishing: thank you :)
[22:34] <vanishing> I tried 13.10 with multiple machines, but I didn't get that problem yet
[22:34] <Ari-Yang> karab44: did you check system monitor to see what's eating up your memory?
[22:34] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, can the kernel and mesa be upgraded via apt command-line? If so, do I also need a new repo? Better yet, is there a website I can use to follow step-by-step instructions?
[22:34] <DenSaakalte> I'm having a somewhat serious problem, and I was wondering whether this is the right place to ask about it
[22:34] <vanishing> open up system monitor/top/htop
[22:34] <SonikkuAmerica> DenSaakalte: It probably is, if it involves Ubuntu
[22:34] <k1l> !details | DenSaakalte
[22:34] <karab44> Ari-Yang: I said clear
[22:34] <vanishing> see which process is consuming all those cpu power
[22:34] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: are you running on 64bit or 32bit
[22:34] <jpedroza2k> DenSaakalte, ask, yes. Though we can't guarantee you a solution.
[22:35] <Ari-Yang> karab44: sorry I dunno
[22:35] <karab44> it happens when moving my mouse ONLY
[22:35] <zeifer> 32-bit due to having less than 4Gb of RAM.
[22:35] <k1l> karab44: see what is causing that cpu load with htop/top or system monitor
[22:35] <vanishing> karab44: yes, open up system monitor/top/htop, and start moving your mouse
[22:35] <karab44> xorg
[22:36] <k1l> karab44: your issue is not a known problem so we need to do  some research. you can look into .xsession-errors in home and syslog in /var/log/ too
[22:36] <DenSaakalte> Alright, this is how it goes: I had Ubuntu 13.04 until a few hours ago, which I updated using the Software Updater app (I have it installed in a distro designed for Chromebooks if that helps, although I didn't have problems until now). Turns out halfway during the installation, I had a crash, so I restart the laptop and execute the upgrade via sudo apt-get upgrade...
[22:36] <karab44> hmmm I found first notices since 2010
[22:36] <Adam1213> the update manager on 13.04 to upgrade to 13.10 keeps crashing
[22:37] <wethu> ahh ha. Glad i came in here lol
[22:37] <Adam1213> do-release-upgr[7111]: segfault at 8 ip 00007f65cf63e82f sp 00007ffff28be160 error 4 in libGL.so.304.88[7f65cf59e000+ca000]
[22:37] <DenSaakalte> After that, I restarted and a lot of problems started ocurring: "Error: incorrect padding", then "your system is running in low resource graphics", etc
[22:37]  * wethu will hold off on updating to 13.10
[22:37] <DenSaakalte> And now it takes at least 2 or 3 minutes to boot into Ubuntu, when it used to take 30 seconds tops
[22:37] <DenSaakalte> Also, very, very laggy. Not sure what it could be
[22:38] <vanishing> karab44: now you know that piece of information, I would google "xorg high cpu usage move mouse"
[22:38] <vanishing> :D
[22:38] <karab44> you want me to fix xorg?
[22:38] <hitsujiTMO> DenSaakalte: you said: "I have it installed in a distro designed for Chromebooks" , what exactly do you mean by that?
[22:38] <vanishing> karab44: seems like it happened since 2010, so not a saucy problem
[22:39] <madsy> I'm having a weird bug in Ubuntu Raring. The graphics output on my external monitors freezes for a short while every minute  when my laptop lid is closed, but not otherwise. Anyone knows if this is a well-known bug with a solution?
[22:39] <karab44> vanishing: don't be an ignorant. It's a problem of all releases
[22:39] <DenSaakalte> ChrUbuntu, hitsujiTMO
[22:39] <karab44> known and ignored.
[22:39] <k1l> !attitude | karab44
[22:39] <k1l> karab44: stop that!
[22:39] <karab44> what
[22:39] <vanishing> karab44: yea, I am not ignorant, you are. You yelled "< karab44> Hey ubuntu 13.10 consumes all CPU when moving mouse! Don't  upgrade!!!
[22:40] <karab44> because it's true :)
[22:40] <DenSaakalte> It's basically the same as regular Ubuntu except it's designed to work in a Chromebook, not sure if it's part of the problem since I had 13.04 without problems installed here
[22:40] <vanishing> its not
[22:40] <k1l> karab44: if you just want to rant and flame in here stop it. if you wnat to to solve the issue you get help in here
[22:40] <karab44> yes it is
[22:40] <madsy> The quick fix for my issue seems to be to put something between the laptop and lid, so it doesn't change the power mode
[22:40] <vanishing> ubuntu 13.10 does not consume all COU when moving, and it happens whether you upgrade to 13.10 or not
[22:41] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: follow these instructions I just typed out for you http://paste.opensuse.org/view/raw/22968366
[22:41] <zeifer> Thank you, Ari-Yang, I'll look at it now.
[22:41] <hitsujiTMO> DenSaakalte: chrubuntu is not supported here, we have no way of knowing what was changed ... the updater probably broke some of the customisations in that distro
[22:41] <madsy> Also, I changed the power settings so the laptop turns off the screen instead of hibernating, so it's not a hibernating issue
[22:41] <wethu> so.. friendly question, will upgrading from 13.04 - 13.10 be a painless experience, or will I need to spend a couple hours fixing things?
[22:42] <Mace268> Is there a way to see current processor frequency other than grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo ? I don't think it's giving me correct values.
[22:42] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: this is what my /etc/default/grub looks like if you just want to copy and replace it with the one yours has http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uHAJnHxH
[22:42] <DenSaakalte> Maybe it did, but assuming that isn't the case, should I post you the Xorg log? I feel it has something to do with it, hitsujiTMO
[22:42] <k1l> wethu: it went all fine here on several different machines. but there is no guarantee of course
[22:42] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what card do you have again?
[22:43] <wethu> k1l, Fair enough.. I don't mind the hassle normally, but I use the machine for development, and if i need to spend time fixing it then i might just wait until i have more free time to deal with any issues
[22:43] <zeifer> HD 4250 integrated. RS880M is the other identifier.
[22:44] <vanishing> wethu: hmm, maybe try it on another machine first, so your development box can stay operational, while you know if you can upgrade hassle free :)
[22:44] <k1l> wethu: in that case i would make a full backup for easy rollback or wait untill that sparetime is there for the possible needed rescue
[22:44] <vanishing> or ^
[22:44] <wethu> Yep, great advice, thanks guys :)
[22:45] <k1l> Mace268: see cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state
[22:45] <Assimilater> hey guys, for some reason my ubuntu server is having a hard time getting the linux kernel update: http://pastebin.com/PY089XdD can someone help me figure out what the problem is?
[22:45] <blob4000> Congrats everyone on 13.10!
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> Assimilater: whats the output of: df -h
[22:47] <Mace268> k1l, there is no cpufreq under /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/
[22:47] <k1l> hmm
[22:47] <Assimilater> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/iAD3xZx0
[22:47] <vanishing> Mace268: there is a cpu frequency monitor applet, but I'm not sure which method it uses to gather frequency information
[22:48] <k1l> Assimilater: remove old kernels
[22:48] <Mace268> I'm trying to make sure my turbo frequency is working
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> Assimilater: you /boot is full, purge some of the old kernels
[22:48] <k1l> Assimilater: remove the "linux-image...." packages of that old kernels.
[22:49] <vanishing> Assimilater: this line seems important "gzip: stdout: No space left on device"
[22:49] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: just in case... after following all of those steps and before rebooting... download this http://people.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/radeon_ucode/R600_rlc.bin and move it to /lib/firmware/radeon
[22:49] <Mace268> does linux support the i7 turbo settings or just the base frequency?
[22:49] <vanishing> Mace268: it supports turbo
[22:49] <Assimilater> vanishing: I wasn't sure what to make of that because i have 10 GB on this HD and it's mostly free
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> Assimilater: your /boot is using a seperate partition and that's full :)
[22:50] <chare> what happens if i reinstall ubuntu on the old ubuntu partition by using the advanced options during installation, can I just select the old partition or do I need to format that partition to get a true clean reinstall
[22:50] <Assimilater> hitsujiTMO: k1l: google found me this answer does it seem right? sudo apt-get purge $( dpkg --list | grep -P -o "linux-image-\d\S+" | grep -v $(uname -r | grep -P -o ".+\d") )
[22:50] <hitsujiTMO> no!
[22:50] <vanishing> Assimilater: well..your df shows
[22:50] <vanishing> /dev/sda1                  228M  226M     0 100% /boot
[22:50] <cw>  سمَـَّوُوُحخ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ ̷̴̐خ امارتيخ ̷̴̐خ
[22:50] <cw> love it
[22:50] <k1l> Assimilater: i prefer the manual way
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> you do not want delete your current kernel
[22:51] <Plasmastar> That's naught cw
[22:51] <Plasmastar> naughty*
[22:51] <Assimilater> vanishing: now I understand what that means :)
[22:52] <Mace268> vanishing, I tried with speed step on and off and everything still says it's not going into turbo. any other ideas on how to verify this?
[22:52] <moppy> what is the channel for ubu touch please?
[22:53] <Assimilater> k1l: manual meaning? (I have a guess but want to make sure) deleting every directory in /boot except those with the highest version number?
[22:53] <challach_> ubuntu-touch
[22:53] <kureno> moppy: #ubuntu-touch
[22:53] <hitsujiTMO> Assimilater: whats is the output of: uname -r      and: dpkg --get-selections | grep "linux-image"
[22:53] <vanishing> Mace268: ‡ grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo
[22:53] <vanishing> cpu MHz         : 2501.000
[22:53] <vanishing> :D
[22:53] <k1l> Assimilater: no. remove the single packages that include tha old kernels
[22:53] <moppy> kureno: ty
 Assimilater: remove the "linux-image...." packages of that old kernels.
[22:54] <TheLordOfTime> Wubi is still not supported for 13.04 and later, right?
[22:54] <Assimilater> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/j4023ZHd
[22:54] <Mace268> vanishing, that always says 3400.100 no matter what, even under a full 8 thread prime95 load
[22:54] <vanishing> Assimilater: check uname -a first, make sure you DON'T remove the one showing in it
[22:54] <Mace268> it should jump to 3800 under load
[22:55] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: oh and make sure you arne't using any proprietary drivers.... like wifi proprietary driver. you can check software-sources and go to the 'Additional Drivers' tab and if you see 0 proprietary drivers in use then you're good to go
[22:56] <mlbj> hey guys, what's up
[22:56] <hitsujiTMO> Assimilater: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.5.0-23-generic linux-image-3.5.0-27-generic linux-image-3.5.0-28-generic linux-image-3.5.0-30-generic linux-image-3.5.0-31-generic linux-image-3.5.0-32-generic linux-image-3.5.0-34-generic
[22:56] <vanishing> Mace268: The frequency shown in /proc/cpuinfo is often capped at the "normal" CPU speed when in fact turbo boost is working fine.
[22:57] <Assimilater> hitsujiTMO: ah, I see, thanks
[22:57] <Mace268> vanishing, I just came upon i7z, i'll give that a try
[22:57] <Mace268> thanks for your help
[22:57] <DenSaakalte> So I noticed two things after updating to 13.10: first of all, my Intel Graphics card now shows up in the About section as «Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits)», and the Disk now says 0 bytes. This wasn't like that before installing it and I'm sure it's what's causing my lag problem. How could I fix it?
[22:57] <cm-t> !paste cm-t
[22:58] <vanishing> np
[22:58] <vap1> Greetings all. I need to connect my printer to the ethernet port on the back of my computer. Its a Brother DCP-7065DN. Anyone have info on that
[22:59] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, It took me a bit to find it, but software sources tells me 0 proprietary drivers are in use.
[22:59] <vanishing> Mace268: also you can check powertop
[22:59] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: nice
[22:59] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: let me know before you reboot after following those instructions
[22:59] <vanishing> Mace268: should be in repo, and its pretty straight forward
[22:59] <Mace268> ok thanks i'll try that
[23:00] <cm-t> Hi, I am trying to open gnome-control-center on the activity-log-manager subpanel, it is working. Is it possible to select the tab to focus? like search tab
[23:00] <cm-t> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253793/
[23:00] <cm-t> (python)
[23:01] <netm> Anybody out there who could help me with an Ubuntu install question? I have a laptop with 13.04 on the HD and have just installed 13.10 on an ssd in the laptop, but can't boot to it..
[23:02] <hitsujiTMO> cm-t #ubuntu-app-devel might be a more suitable channel for such a question
[23:02] <guest-AhYDCS> netm, where did you install grub when install 13.10?
[23:03] <netm> I'm pretty sure on the SSD
[23:03] <cm-t> hitsujiTMO: thanks
[23:03] <guest-AhYDCS> netm, them, did you set your BIOS to boot from ssd first?
[23:03] <netm> Yep it's first on the list
[23:04] <cm-t> Hi, i am trying to open gnome/part
[23:04] <cm-t> ops
[23:05] <netm> But when I go into BIOS, select the SSD and hit enter it doesn't boot to it - nothing much happens
[23:05] <guest-AhYDCS> netm, hmm, does the grub menu show?
[23:05] <diskawrs> Hi. Can someone tell me how I can force apt-get to install gufw_13.10.0-0ubuntu2 on precises?
[23:06] <chare> wtf nice job guys I tried create a btrfs partition during installion and got a filesystem creation failed error
[23:06] <chare> NICE JOB GUYS
[23:06] <netm> Grub menu only shows when I boot to the HD, maybe I don't have grub on the SSD...anyway I could test that (I can see the SSD from my 13.04 install)
[23:07] <Dawid> witam serdecznie jestem nowym urzytkownikiem i mam pytanie odnośnie linuxa ubuntu 12.04 mam pewien problem
[23:07] <vanishing> chare: don't be mad please, calm down
[23:08] <chare> wtf do I do
[23:08] <chare> why isn't the installation working
[23:08] <vanishing> don't curse for starters
[23:08] <guest-AhYDCS> netm, I think you should try install grub on hdd, and boot from it, some laptop don't support booting from ssd.
[23:08] <Guest83460> hi, need help copying folder into 'icons'. Do not have permission to do so
[23:08] <DenSaakalte> So... Any ideas to solve this? I'm getting Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.3, 128 bits) instead of the Intel Graphics card after upgrading to Ubuntu 13.10
[23:08] <netm> guest-AhYDCS - thanks - what would then happen if I took my HD out (or it failed) ?
[23:09] <Dawid> o tóż chce zainstalować program GrADS 2.0.2 jak wpisuje komendę w kosoli sudo cp grads to pokazuje błąd [sudo] error pasword Dawid
[23:10] <karab44> I just reverted upgrade. I don't see any mouse cpu issue on 13.04.
[23:10] <chare> I get exactly this error except with btrfs http://askubuntu.com/questions/205132/ubuntu-12-10-failed-to-create-a-file-system-error
[23:10] <Ari-Yang> !pl
[23:10] <Ari-Yang> !pl | Dawid
[23:10] <Guest83460> Hi, I'm trying to unzip a folder in 'usr/share/icons/' but permission is denied. How can I do this?
[23:10] <guest-AhYDCS> netm, I'm not sure, I don't have a ssd :(
[23:11] <hitsujiTMO> netm http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1525202
[23:11] <wylde> !sudo | Guest83460
[23:12] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, oddly enough, gksudo gedit is returning 0 responses. Xubuntu doesn't have gedit by default, does it?
[23:12] <Guest83460> thanks wylde !
[23:12] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: then use a different text editor
[23:12] <Ari-Yang> :|
[23:12] <darkangel> Who ever wants a super FAST Download of Ubuntu 13.10 (64-Bit) download the Torrent here          releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[23:12] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: gksudo your-text-editor-here /etc/default/grub
[23:13] <vap1> is it possible at all to install a network printer?
[23:13] <darkangel> Who ever wants a super FAST Download of Ubuntu 13.10 (32-Bit) download the Torrent here         releases.ubuntu.com/saucy/ubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[23:13] <Ari-Yang> darkangel: 'k, we get it
[23:13] <Ari-Yang> :|
 thanks - I'll try it out...
[23:15] <moppy> zeifer: not sure i remember but i *think* it has leafpad
[23:15] <sam113101> well
[23:15] <sam113101> this new release is shit
[23:15] <moppy> all linuxes have vim though, it's part of posix spec
[23:15] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, I found mousepad on the accessories list. Been a long while since I used Xubuntu.
[23:16] <Ari-Yang> k
[23:16] <jpedroza2k> moppy, they all have vi, vim not always.
[23:16] <dubone> Hello All, I have a vm running Ubuntu from Ubuntu and it has been running fine for months until last night I rebooted the vm and it is now stuck on "Boot from (hd0,0) ext4 - Starting up ... Here is my libvirt.log http://pastebin.com/EfpxKaLr -- Host is Ubuntu 13.04 and Guest is Ubuntu 12.04. Can I have some tips on troubleshooting this? I have extended my personal resources, documentations is light on this situation. I appreciate it.
[23:17] <subcool> Could someone assist me with my thermaltake BlacX external Sata HDD dock? - lsusb shows it, but the usb notifier does not pop up with anything. Do i have to manually mount it?
[23:18] <subcool> the drive does not show in my device manager..
[23:18] <subcool> i mean file manager
[23:18] <hitsujiTMO> subcool: whats output of lsblk
[23:19] <subcool> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6253910/
[23:19] <subcool> hitsujiTMO, ^^^
[23:20] <zeifer> Ack! What was the command line for adding ppa's?
[23:20] <faugusztin> subcool: how big is that external drive ?
[23:20] <bindi> zeifer: add-apt-repository
[23:20] <bindi> or apt-add-repository
[23:20] <zeifer> Thank you, bindi.
[23:20] <subcool> 160gb
[23:21] <subcool> i suppose that would be sdf1?
[23:21] <faugusztin> subcool: then it is /dev/sdf1
[23:21] <subcool> ok- so i have to manually mount it?
[23:21] <faugusztin> subcool: you could try to mount it somehwere manually
[23:21] <faugusztin> subcool: probably :)
[23:21] <subcool> ok, ill give it a whirl.. thanks.
[23:21] <Wug> hitsujiTMO: I don't suppose you're still around?
[23:21] <dubone> anyone have any troubleshooting tips for me? Trying to get a kvm guest up and running again :)
[23:21] <hitsujiTMO> subcool: sudo mkdir /mnt/funkydisk && sudo mount /dev/sdf1 /mnt/funkydisk
[23:22] <hitsujiTMO> i just might be wug
[23:22] <grimeton> funky
[23:22] <sleepee> whats up guys.  has anybody else using 13.10 had super dim screen issues at startup?
[23:23] <subcool> sob- ok.. um..
[23:23] <subcool> mount: unknown filesystem type 'zfs_member'
[23:23] <Wug> :D anyway, how exactly do I get to system settings
[23:23] <subcool> i am mounting the entire drive to do a backup recovery of information lost when i accidently install PCBSD on it
[23:23] <dubone> I found a couple bugs that have the same libvirt errors as me - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1157626
[23:23] <Wug> it's not in the unity bar, and I can't search for anything :|
[23:23] <compdoc> dubone, whats the issue?
[23:24] <hitsujiTMO> subcool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZFS
[23:24] <subcool> i know what ZFS is
[23:25] <dubone> hitsujiTMO: My Ubuntu kvm guest is stuck at Boot from (hd0,0) ext4 - Starting up ... It ran fine for months. Here is my libvirt.log http://pastebin.com/EfpxKaLr
[23:25] <hitsujiTMO> you need to install support for it, theres a link to a ppa for it
[23:25] <dubone> sorry, that was for compdoc
[23:25] <dubone> compdoc: My Ubuntu kvm guest is stuck at Boot from (hd0,0) ext4 - Starting up ... It ran fine for months. Here is my libvirt.log http://pastebin.com/EfpxKaLr
[23:25] <subcool> hitsujiTMO, ok- thanks. i see it now. Im use to being told that ZFS isnt supported, .
[23:25] <darkangel> Ari-Yang: sorry to annoy ya just getting the pressure and flood off the ubuntu servers at least trying
[23:25] <Ari-Yang> k
[23:26] <SunTsu> subcool: OpenZFS changes that
[23:27] <chsados> can anyone recommend a really study/solid thumb drive that I can install linux to to use as a full blown os (not live os)
[23:27] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, launchpad.net is failing to update. Any possible errors in the URL?
[23:27] <hitsujiTMO> Wug: hit <ctrl> + <alt> + T    and run gnome-control-center
[23:28] <subcool> SunTsu, is OpenZFS the same as ubuntu zfs?
[23:28] <Stanley00> Anyone upgrade to 13.10? I got trouble with unity hiding, I have intel videocard, and got this http://imgur.com/BwkGvqL when unity hide.
[23:28] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: what do you mean? and copy and paste the exact command you typed out to add the ppa
[23:28] <subcool> Stanley00, yes, and i downgraded back to 12.04
[23:28] <hitsujiTMO> chsados: just look for something with a decent brandname and decent read/write speeds
[23:29] <chsados> ok
[23:29] <subcool> Ok- witht hat in hand, (thank you guys), after mounting this "drive" will i still be able to do a data recovery?
[23:29] <Wug> hitsujiTMO: disabled web search, no change.  no results ever display, no disk activity
[23:29] <Wug> he's dead jim.
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: just hit the up arrow key, that should show you the latest command you ran in the terminal...
[23:29] <hitsujiTMO> wug: maybe report the bug
[23:29] <compdoc> dubone, is the vm's file stored in:  /sys/fs/cgroup/devices/libvirt/qemu/zooapps
[23:30] <SunTsu> subcool: OpenZFS is a project that merges all current ZFS development branches - ZFS on Linux, FreeBSD, Ilumos/OpenSolaris and such
[23:31] <dubone> compdoc: pasted private ls -al /sys/fs/cgroup/devices/libvirt/qemu/zooapps
[23:31] <Wug> I am going to try removing and reinstalling all unity packages
[23:31] <hitsujiTMO> chsados: lookup corsair voyager gt or gs range for an example
[23:32] <zeifer> sudo apt-add-repository https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/
[23:32] <SunTsu> subcool: those package slook like they are pre-OpenZFS, though
[23:32] <hitsujiTMO> wug use install --reinstall
[23:33] <chsados> hitsujiTMO: im thinking maybe a sd card would be more reliable with a usb adapter like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820283018
[23:33] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, sudo apt-add-repository https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/ is what I used and had fail.
[23:34] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: actually go to the link and get the ppa address.... which would be ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers so sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[23:34] <Ari-Yang> zeifer: run sudo apt-add-repository --remove https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/graphics-drivers/
[23:34] <Ari-Yang> then run the command I just said: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[23:34] <Ari-Yang> then after run apt-get update and move on with the instructions, zeifer
[23:35] <hitsujiTMO> chsados: your not going to get the same write speeds. also sd isn't suitable for large amounts of read/writes like you get with an os.    i also recommend adding noatime flag to the partitions when you're seeting them up
[23:36] <chsados> hmm ok
[23:36] <zeifer> Ari-Yang, thank you for clarifying that line. It worked this time.
[23:36] <Ari-Yang> kk
[23:36] <kxtwo> can some one tell me why when I do ipcs I get a long list of memory segments despite not having anything running in code?
[23:38] <kxtwo> they are all keyless so I am assuming they are OS related
[23:38] <zeifer> I have to wait on the dist-upgrade command while a couple buddies are in an LoL match.
[23:38] <kxtwo> but my server doesnt have them so Im confused
[23:39] <vap1> Anyone have an idea how I can connect my printer to my computer via ethernet
[23:41] <Malinux> vap1: is i a network-printer?
[23:41] <Malinux> *is it
[23:41] <vap1> malinux: yea only thru ethernet.
[23:41] <Malinux> vap1: then I think you can connect it directly to a router or a network hub?
[23:42] <vap1> Malinux: yea I can do that, but the router is not near me. I have a job I need to do that requires my printer/scanner to be near my computer.
[23:42] <subcool> SunTsu, i just followed openzfs, and it brought me back around to this ubuntu-zfs
[23:42] <fishscene> vap1: Unless you have a print server to manage security, I don't recommend opening up ports on your router to forward to your printer.
[23:43] <SunTsu> subcool: yeah, zfs on linux is what later will get to be part of OpenZFS
[23:43] <Malinux> vap1: okey. I don't know then
[23:43] <vap1> fishscene: I want to connect it to the ethernet port on my computer..not through the router
[23:43] <subcool> SunTsu, ? what? - No i googled openzfs - and while following the links on the page to install it- it brought me to ubuntu-zfs
[23:44] <subcool> SunTsu, i have to reboot, brb
[23:44] <fishscene> ah-sorry. I've been staring at my screen too long. I read it as "internet", not Ethernet.
[23:44] <maletor> what is the ubuntu equivilant os OS X's FileVault?
[23:45] <SunTsu> vap1: just connect it, if it is GigE it should do AutoMDI, run a dhcpd on the nic and there you go
[23:45] <fishscene> vap1: You'll need to use a crossover cable to connect it directly to your computer's ethernet port. And then you'll want to print out a diagnostics page to see the IP address it has. Then you can connect to it like any other network printer.
[23:45] <subcool> SunTsu, still installing updates, so if there is anything else you would like to add
[23:45] <SunTsu> vap1: if it's not GigE then you need a cross cable to connect it, the rest stays the same
[23:46] <SunTsu> subcool: http://open-zfs.org/wiki/Distributions#ZFS_on_Linux
[23:46] <vap1> alright. how can I tell if my ethernet cable is a crossover or not
[23:46] <SunTsu> vap1: look at the plugs, if the colors are in the same order it's not
[23:47] <fishscene> Hold the cable-ends together upside-down right next to each other. If they don't match, it's a crossover.
[23:47] <SunTsu> vap1: if the colors are in a different order chances are it's crossover
[23:47] <subcool> SunTsu, right, which brings you to zfsonline.org, when you lcick the ubuntu link it brings you to the ubuntu-zfs
[23:48] <mdkwlan> Anyone running 13.10 here (kinda poinless question.)
[23:48] <ADP4U> no
[23:48] <SunTsu> subcool: as I said: zfs on linux is going to be part of OpenZFS in the near future
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone < mdkwlan
[23:48] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | mdkwlan
[23:48] <ADP4U> Didn't think you were anyway
[23:49] <mdkwlan> MY bad.
[23:49] <ADP4U> Your bad with what?
[23:49] <jpedroza2k> Wanted to update anyone that might be having an issue with three monitors on a Lenovo laptop. I had to compile the nightly build from Intel to get three monitors working again.
[23:49] <jpedroza2k> The kernel that is.
[23:50] <mdkwlan> I'm having a problem coming out of the lock screen. When I log back in unity command window is open. Anyone else having this happen.
[23:50] <ADP4U> You are having a problem coming out of the closet?
[23:50] <mdkwlan> Clearly
[23:50] <codephobic> hi
[23:51] <fedeisas> hi guys
[23:51] <ADP4U> hi
[23:51] <fedeisas> anyone saavy with setfacl willing to help me? Thanks
[23:51] <maletor> What do people do for disk encryption on Ubuntu?
[23:51] <ADP4U> no
[23:51] <codephobic> I've just upgraded to 13.10 and, surprisingly, everything has worked... more or less.
[23:51] <ADP4U> good for you homophobic
[23:51] <fedeisas> ADP4U well, not really setfacl, just permissions in general
[23:51] <codephobic> the one issue I have, I cannot figure out how to resolve
[23:52] <codephobic> ADP4U, not that there's anything wrong with that but ... codephobic.
[23:52] <sam113101> I upgraded to 13.10 and, surprisingly, it's buggier than 13.04
[23:52] <codephobic> the problem I'm having is that apache2 no longer seems to recognise any of my virtualhosts
[23:52] <ADP4U> can someone direct me to a howto on how to use a keyboard?
[23:53] <mdkwlan> sam113101: are you having any problems with the lock screen?
[23:53] <sam113101> mdkwlan: let me try
[23:53] <hitsujiTMO> enough ADP4U
[23:53] <ADP4U> ok
[23:53] <sam113101> well…
[23:54] <sam113101> don't leave
[23:54] <sam113101> if you want an answer
[23:54] <sam113101> ;_;
[23:54] <sam113101> mdkwlan: it's a bit slow but it works as expected
[23:54] <fedeisas> hey codephobic, I can help with Apache
[23:54] <ultim8>  .
[23:54] <mdkwlan> I get this weird error when I come back in that the unity is open.
[23:54] <codephobic> hi fedeisas, thanks would appreciate some help
[23:55] <fedeisas> tell e
[23:55] <stewart_> Good Evening all, just wondering if any has tackled openfire certificate imports ??
[23:55] <codephobic> my virtualhost configs were working fine in 13.04 and work fine in debian and 12.04 LTS Server.
[23:56] <codephobic> not sure what's changed in the upgrade, that would affect this.
[23:56] <codephobic> mysql is working, php is working, but apache keeps serving the default page, rather than any of the virtualhost sites I configured for this machine.
[23:57] <sam113101> how do I make the caps lock key act as a second backspace key?
[23:57] <fedeisas> mmm
[23:57] <fedeisas> there could be many things
[23:57] <fedeisas> go to /var/logs/apache2/
[23:58] <fedeisas> and tail -f access.log and error.log
[23:58] <fedeisas> hit refresh and try to see if there are some errors
[23:58] <stewart_> any thoughts on on you need to provide  Certificate Authority Reply ? is cer, pfx , csr and key file don't work hmmm?
[23:58] <codephobic> ok, will check now
[23:59] <hitsujiTMO> codephobic: have you strayed much from the default config od apache2? do you use /etc/apache2/sites-available ?