[03:59] knome: You can also request queuebot in the devel channel spitting out things related to your build or packageset, at least I think so anyway. [06:05] Release day? [06:08] cub, Almost release night over here [06:08] we should use that internet time. :D [06:38] great, so how do I know if it is Virtualbox on Mac that breaks JACK or if it's the latest release that's broken? [06:45] jack worked fine for me... 32 and 64 bit [06:46] da/coast [06:46] da/coast [06:56] yeah I saw you had tested already [06:56] which per our standard seems to be enough, 2/2 and 1/1. [06:58] this is weird though since I tested the i386 iso 3 days ago and had no issues starting JACK in live session. But now, on the same VM both amd64 and i386 live session, JACK crashes [07:45] Ok, so after setting up new laptop the i386 iso runs JACK fine in live session. Virtualbox on Mac, no to reliable. [07:45] on the other hand, my touchpad on the ubuntu laptop does not work in the live session. [07:47] I only have crap HW available, maybe I should just lay off the testing ... === cub_ is now known as cub [08:56] hi smartboyhw [08:56] cub, hello, can you test the i386 upgrades? [08:56] We are only missing that... [08:56] Nope [08:57] Ouch [08:57] I tried but it keeps crashing on my virtualbox and my eee pc won't get it to work === smartboyhw changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | find Ubuntu Studio stable Releases at https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ | latest current ISO http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ | === smartboyhw changed the topic of #ubuntustudio-devel to: Ubuntu Studio Development Channel | https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio | find Ubuntu Studio stable Releases at https://ubuntustudio.org/download/ | latest current ISO http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/ [08:57] but when I checked OvenWerks had done all tests already? [08:57] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55392/testcases [08:57] Isn't done [08:58] Aha perhaps I can run those. [08:58] cub, yay! [08:58] it's upgrade from 13.04? not 12.04.3? [08:59] cub, upgrade from 13.04 [08:59] We don't support upgrading from 12.04.3 to 13.10 (it's too big change) [09:00] strange, when I navigate through the iso.qa site I can't find that page you linked to [09:00] Eh? [09:00] cub, ISO QA Tracker -> "Saucy Final" -> "Upgrade Ubuntu Studio i386" [09:00] aha Upgrade was filtered out with the other distros [09:00] ;) [09:03] Why is "Upgrade" considered a separate Product? [09:03] doh..my 13.04 VM was 64 bit. Need to install 32 bit first [09:03] I will most likely get the same issue with JACK as before, but I blame that on Virtualbox running under Mac OS X [09:08] cub, well, JACK on Virtualbox is terrible but it does pronounce sound here :) [09:08] It worked fine 3 days ago, but with the new iso today I got crashes on both 32 and 64 live sessions on the sam VM [09:09] but I ran a usb live session on my eee pc and it worked fine. Though I had hw issues on that pc [09:17] zequence, hmm, last time (13.04) I didn't do any release announcements, we only have the one you did.... [10:18] 13.04 installation, updating 320 packages. :P [10:18] suppose I can go for lunch before I can do the 13.10 upgrade. [10:38] cub, sure [11:10] smartboyhw: Just do what you always do. That text only needs to be copied directly to the website [11:11] zequence, ACK, OK [11:11] I'll be doing an additional release announcement, just giving some cred to the people developing Ubuntu Studio, and talking a bit about what has been going on [11:21] Hypnotoad, might be possible, but you probably want to see the discussion as well [11:24] zequence, check out the announcement on the Ubuntu Studio website (draft) [11:25] holstein, please be ready for updating channel topics today :) [11:26] smartboyhw: Looks good [11:26] zequence, :) [12:00] 1567 files to fetch. :P [12:03] cub, ow === cub_ is now known as cub [12:18] the wifi dropped mid-upgrade.... [12:20] cub, ew [12:20] Forget it then? [12:33] smartboyhw: Let's fix the download page before posting the release, ok? [12:33] zequence, you want to change the download links NOW? Sure [12:34] smartboyhw: I'll wait until the official release announcement [12:34] zequence, OK [12:41] no it seems to be alright. Must have downloaded everything just in time. [12:41] so the upgrade test is still ongoing. [12:55] cub, yay [12:55] zequence, I've updated the links on my side, just waitiing for the release [12:58] smartboyhw: What links? [13:08] zequence, download links [13:10] smartboyhw: Yes, but where? [13:10] zequence, well, at my computer-.- [13:10] We are supposed to wait till release right? [13:10] smartboyhw: So, you put some links onto your computer? [13:11] Where did you change the links, is what I'm asking [13:11] zequence, not-yet-saved copy on the website (because it doesn't allow drafts) [13:12] Ah, ok. Well, you want to update the wikis then too? [13:12] I was going to do that, but it seems you are already doing it [13:13] zequence, since you were going to do the wikis, you can do the wikis:) [13:13] smartboyhw: I was going to do the download page too [13:13] zequence, oh, OK [13:13] Will update the wiki later then [13:14] ok, good [13:19] smartboyhw: upgrade test ok. [13:19] cub, it's released anyhow:P [13:19] bah [13:19] (Looks like) [13:20] seems all my testing for this release have been obsolete. [13:20] cub, don't feel that sad [13:21] cub: The most common problem for me when doing upgrades is user settings [13:21] hmm yeah I didn't any of those since the 13.04 installation was clean install [13:21] cub: things like background for the login window being corrupted. I think the more you change settings (and they are stored in the user home folder), the more likely there are to be problems [13:22] zequence, my release announcement sent and published [13:22] hard to write a test case for that? [13:23] cub: I think one just needs to map out all of the settings that can be changed and stored for XFCE [13:23] but, it's a little outside of the scope of what we do here [13:23] so, not really what we should focus on [13:24] smartboyhw: Ok. Great [13:26] I'll post another release announcement later today - or it'll be more like just a letter to the public [13:26] zequence, the wiki links that I can found is changed [13:26] smartboyhw: There are only two. wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio and help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio [13:27] zequence, then all done [13:27] Great work everyone. [13:28] zequence, cub OvenWerks great job:) [13:28] Releases are earlier these days [13:29] 13.04 and 13.10 are no later than 15:30 UTC [13:29] Huh, only three flavours have announcements (LOL) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-October/000177.html [13:31] astraljava, holstein please change topic in #ubuntustudio, we thank you for the work:) [13:39] T cycle, here we come (where's the codename:P) [13:45] reposted in all our social channels [13:46] zequence, yay [14:12] for 14.04 I am thinking it may be worth while finding out what plugins are available for some of our main apps. (the scanning plugin for gimp may only be the tip of things) [14:12] I think we should at least include most of such things in the extra SW installer. [14:12] OvenWerks, write it in the blueprints. Great work of you in 13.10:) [14:12] but we need to know what they are first. [14:13] OvenWerks: Currently, we don't have anyone working on any of the workflows [14:13] I will maybe tonight (think 10 hrs down the road) But it is also something that will need discusion. [14:14] I know. [14:14] * OvenWerks is off to work [14:14] We should find out about all the apps [14:14] Do a thorough research all around [14:24] I was starting out to map workflows somewhat [14:24] found a couple of pages that Scott set up I think [14:24] but never got further than that so far. [14:31] perhaps I should transfer my googledoc to the ubuntu wiki instead [14:37] Hi ttoine, I think my mug have arrived. Will collect it form the Post office tonight. All in one piece I hope. [14:41] ok [14:41] tomorrow, I test ubuntu phone [14:41] and I will try to use it as a java app server [14:56] cub: Scott scribbled a few things, yes, and some other folks [14:57] cub: But, those are not really relevant for researching apps so much, I mean, not so that you could base a lot of work on those pages [14:58] I find that Scott was focused on finding some way of simplifying the use of tools for users [14:58] But, IMO, he went the wrong way about it [14:58] What you need is application development for that to happen [14:58] And User Documentation, youtube videos, which show the user how to use existing tools [14:59] cub: Could I see what you have done so far? [14:59] yeah but a list of the apps included with some information would be nice [14:59] not much, I gathered some links you sent me and what I found on the wiki [14:59] then I brainstormed a bit [15:00] email incoming [15:00] cub: I think the first thing you should do is find a good way to list all application that are even faintly related to our workflows [15:00] then do some simple categorization on sub-workflows [15:00] Like, recording, mixing, mastering, etc. [15:01] It's easy to do on a workflow that you know well [15:01] If I were to do that for graphics, I'd need to learn all about graphics first, you know [15:01] We should consider some alternatives [15:01] mhm [15:02] I put a lot of stuff I'm planning to cehck out in trello [15:02] We could probably get all the major apps and tools to fit on the ISO [15:02] But, someone needs to find out, if it is possible, and for that, you need to have a comprehensive list of applications [15:02] yeah [15:03] Anyway, the first thing to do is list the applications [15:03] All of them [15:03] Probably smartest to use some apt magic to find them [15:05] gotta head home to the family. :) I might be around later on again. [16:29] updated topic :) [19:20] zequence, how's the new job?