[03:59] <Hypnotoad> knome: You can also request queuebot in the devel channel spitting out things related to your build or packageset, at least I think so anyway.
[06:05] <cub> Release day?
[06:08] <Noskcaj> cub, Almost release night over here
[06:08] <cub> we should use that internet time. :D
[06:38] <cub> great, so how do I know if it is Virtualbox on Mac that breaks JACK or if it's the latest release that's broken?
[06:45] <OvenWerks> jack worked fine for me... 32 and 64 bit
[06:46] <OvenWerks> da/coast
[06:46] <OvenWerks> da/coast
[06:56] <cub> yeah I saw you had tested already
[06:56] <cub> which per our standard seems to be enough, 2/2 and 1/1.
[06:58] <cub> this is weird though since I tested the i386 iso 3 days ago and had no issues starting JACK in live session. But now, on the same VM both amd64 and i386 live session, JACK crashes
[07:45] <cub> Ok, so after setting up new laptop the i386 iso runs JACK fine in live session. Virtualbox on Mac, no to reliable.
[07:45] <cub> on the other hand, my touchpad on the ubuntu laptop does not work in the live session.
[07:47] <cub> I only have crap HW available, maybe I should just lay off the testing ...
[08:56] <cub> hi smartboyhw
[08:56] <smartboyhw> cub, hello, can you test the i386 upgrades?
[08:56] <smartboyhw> We are only missing that...
[08:56] <cub> Nope
[08:57] <smartboyhw> Ouch
[08:57] <cub> I tried but it keeps crashing on my virtualbox and my eee pc won't get it to work
[08:57] <cub> but when I checked OvenWerks had done all tests already?
[08:57] <smartboyhw> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55392/testcases
[08:57] <smartboyhw> Isn't done
[08:58] <cub> Aha perhaps I can run those.
[08:58] <smartboyhw> cub, yay!
[08:58] <cub> it's upgrade from 13.04? not 12.04.3?
[08:59] <smartboyhw> cub, upgrade from 13.04
[08:59] <smartboyhw> We don't support upgrading from 12.04.3 to 13.10 (it's too big change)
[09:00] <cub> strange, when I navigate through the iso.qa site I can't find that page you linked to
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Eh?
[09:00] <smartboyhw> cub, ISO QA Tracker -> "Saucy Final" -> "Upgrade Ubuntu Studio i386"
[09:00] <cub> aha Upgrade was filtered out with the other distros
[09:00] <smartboyhw> ;)
[09:03] <cub> Why is "Upgrade" considered a separate Product?
[09:03] <cub> doh..my 13.04 VM was 64 bit. Need to install 32 bit first
[09:03] <cub> I will most likely get the same issue with JACK as before, but I blame that on Virtualbox running under Mac OS X
[09:08] <smartboyhw> cub, well, JACK on Virtualbox is terrible but it does pronounce sound here :)
[09:08] <cub> It worked fine 3 days ago, but with the new iso today I got crashes on both 32 and 64 live sessions on the sam VM
[09:09] <cub> but I ran a usb live session on my eee pc and it worked fine. Though I had hw issues on that pc
[09:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm, last time (13.04) I didn't do any release announcements, we only have the one you did....
[10:18] <cub> 13.04 installation, updating 320 packages. :P
[10:18] <cub> suppose I can go for lunch before I can do the 13.10 upgrade.
[10:38] <smartboyhw> cub, sure
[11:10] <zequence> smartboyhw: Just do what you always do. That text only needs to be copied directly to the website
[11:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, ACK, OK
[11:11] <zequence> I'll be doing an additional release announcement, just giving some cred to the people developing Ubuntu Studio, and talking a bit about what has been going on
[11:21] <knome> Hypnotoad, might be possible, but you probably want to see the discussion as well
[11:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, check out the announcement on the Ubuntu Studio website (draft)
[11:25] <smartboyhw> holstein, please be ready for updating channel topics today :)
[11:26] <zequence> smartboyhw: Looks good
[11:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[12:00] <cub> 1567 files to fetch. :P
[12:03] <smartboyhw> cub, ow
[12:18] <cub> the wifi dropped mid-upgrade....
[12:20] <smartboyhw> cub, ew
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Forget it then?
[12:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: Let's fix the download page before posting the release, ok?
[12:33] <smartboyhw> zequence, you want to change the download links NOW? Sure
[12:34] <zequence> smartboyhw: I'll wait until the official release announcement
[12:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[12:41] <cub> no it seems to be alright. Must have downloaded everything just in time.
[12:41] <cub> so the upgrade test is still ongoing.
[12:55] <smartboyhw> cub, yay
[12:55] <smartboyhw> zequence, I've updated the links on my side, just waitiing for the release
[12:58] <zequence> smartboyhw: What links?
[13:08] <smartboyhw> zequence, download links
[13:10] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, but where?
[13:10] <smartboyhw> zequence, well, at my computer-.-
[13:10] <smartboyhw> We are supposed to wait till release right?
[13:10] <zequence> smartboyhw: So, you put some links onto your computer?
[13:11] <zequence> Where did you change the links, is what I'm asking
[13:11] <smartboyhw> zequence, not-yet-saved  copy on the website (because it doesn't allow drafts)
[13:12] <zequence> Ah, ok. Well, you want to update the wikis then too?
[13:12] <zequence> I was going to do that, but it seems you are already doing it
[13:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, since you were going to do the wikis, you can do the wikis:)
[13:13] <zequence> smartboyhw: I was going to do the download page too
[13:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh, OK
[13:13] <smartboyhw> Will update the wiki later then
[13:14] <zequence> ok, good
[13:19] <cub> smartboyhw: upgrade test ok.
[13:19] <smartboyhw> cub, it's released anyhow:P
[13:19] <cub> bah
[13:19] <smartboyhw> (Looks like)
[13:20] <cub> seems all my testing for this release have been obsolete.
[13:20] <smartboyhw> cub, don't feel that sad
[13:21] <zequence> cub: The most common problem for me when doing upgrades is user settings
[13:21] <cub> hmm yeah I didn't any of those since the 13.04 installation was clean install 
[13:21] <zequence> cub: things like background for the login window being corrupted. I think the more you change settings (and they are stored in the user home folder), the more likely there are to be problems
[13:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, my release announcement sent and published
[13:22] <cub> hard to write a test case for that?
[13:23] <zequence> cub: I think one just needs to map out all of the settings that can be changed and stored for XFCE
[13:23] <zequence> but,  it's a little outside of the scope of what we do here
[13:23] <zequence> so, not really what we should focus on
[13:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: Ok. Great
[13:26] <zequence> I'll post another release announcement later today - or it'll be more like just a letter to the public
[13:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, the wiki links that I can found is changed
[13:26] <zequence> smartboyhw: There are only two. wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio and help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[13:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, then all done
[13:27] <zequence> Great work everyone.
[13:28] <smartboyhw> zequence, cub OvenWerks great job:)
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Releases are earlier these days
[13:29] <smartboyhw> 13.04 and 13.10 are no later than 15:30 UTC
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Huh, only three flavours have announcements (LOL) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-October/000177.html
[13:31] <smartboyhw> astraljava, holstein please change topic in #ubuntustudio, we thank you for the work:)
[13:39] <smartboyhw> T cycle, here we come (where's the codename:P)
[13:45] <zequence> reposted in all our social channels
[13:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, yay
[14:12] <OvenWerks> for 14.04 I am thinking it may be worth while finding out what plugins are available for some of our main apps. (the scanning plugin for gimp may only be the tip of things)
[14:12] <OvenWerks> I think we should at least include most of such things in the extra SW installer.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> OvenWerks, write it in the blueprints. Great work of you in 13.10:)
[14:12] <OvenWerks> but we need to know what they are first.
[14:13] <zequence> OvenWerks: Currently, we don't have anyone working on any of the workflows
[14:13] <OvenWerks> I will maybe tonight (think 10 hrs down the road) But it is also something that will need discusion.
[14:14] <OvenWerks> I know.
[14:14]  * OvenWerks is off to work
[14:14] <zequence> We should find out about all the apps
[14:14] <zequence> Do a thorough research all around
[14:24] <cub> I was starting out to map workflows somewhat
[14:24] <cub> found a couple of pages that Scott set up I think
[14:24] <cub> but never got further than that so far.
[14:31] <cub> perhaps I should transfer my googledoc to the ubuntu wiki instead
[14:37] <cub> Hi ttoine, I think my mug have arrived. Will collect it form the Post office tonight. All in one piece I hope.
[14:41] <ttoine> ok
[14:41] <ttoine> tomorrow, I test ubuntu phone
[14:41] <ttoine> and I will try to use it as a java app server
[14:56] <zequence> cub: Scott scribbled a few things, yes, and some other folks
[14:57] <zequence> cub: But, those are not really relevant for researching apps so much, I mean, not so that you could base a lot of work on those pages
[14:58] <zequence> I find that Scott was focused on finding some way of simplifying the use of tools for users
[14:58] <zequence> But, IMO, he went the wrong way about it
[14:58] <zequence> What you need is application development for that to happen
[14:58] <zequence> And User Documentation, youtube videos, which show the user how to use existing tools
[14:59] <zequence> cub: Could I see what you have done so far?
[14:59] <cub> yeah but a list of the apps included with some information would be nice
[14:59] <cub> not much, I gathered some links you sent me and what I found on the wiki
[14:59] <cub> then I brainstormed a bit
[15:00] <cub> email incoming
[15:00] <zequence> cub: I think the first thing you should do is find a good way to list all application that are even faintly related to our workflows
[15:00] <zequence> then do some simple categorization on sub-workflows
[15:00] <zequence> Like, recording, mixing, mastering, etc. 
[15:01] <zequence> It's easy to do on a workflow that you know well
[15:01] <zequence> If I were to do that for graphics, I'd need to learn all about graphics first, you know
[15:01] <zequence> We should consider some alternatives
[15:01] <cub> mhm
[15:02] <cub> I put a lot of stuff I'm planning to cehck out in trello
[15:02] <zequence> We could probably get all the major apps and tools to fit on the ISO
[15:02] <zequence> But, someone needs to find out, if it is possible, and for that, you need to have a comprehensive list of applications
[15:02] <cub> yeah
[15:03] <zequence> Anyway, the first thing to do is list the applications
[15:03] <zequence> All of them
[15:03] <zequence> Probably smartest to use some apt magic to find them
[15:05] <cub> gotta head home to the family. :) I might be around later on again.
[16:29] <holstein> updated topic :)
[19:20] <cub> zequence, how's the new job?