| skellat | Are we leaving LP Bug #1208204 as a known issue at release? | 01:14 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 | 01:14 |
| Unit193 | skellat: Well, it's way to late to land GTK3, can't port all the new stuff, so it'd either be a hack or fixed after release. | 01:50 |
| skellat | Unit193: SRU/Backports it is | 02:06 |
| skellat | Praise the Lord this thing is only supported for 9 months | 02:07 |
| Unit193 | It's the stable release for 9 months. | 02:15 |
| pmjdebruijn | btw I tried to repackage indicator-sound as xubuntu-indicator-sound for a gtk2 service patch | 06:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | but that didn't work, as Provides idnicator-sound doesn't work since indicator-sound-gtk2 defines an explicit version requirement | 06:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | which Provides can't.... erhm... provide :) | 06:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | so that was a bust | 06:59 |
| pmjdebruijn | https://launchpad.net/~pmjdebruijn/+archive/xubuntu-indicator-sound-testing | 07:00 |
| pmjdebruijn | I did modify the original package and put it on a ppa | 07:00 |
| pmjdebruijn | but of course that's no feasible solution for upstream | 07:00 |
| ali1234 | there is no upstream | 07:07 |
| ali1234 | that code is not maintained any more | 07:07 |
| pmjdebruijn | I meant upstream (ubuntu) packaging | 07:07 |
| pmjdebruijn | sorry for the confusing wording | 07:07 |
| elfy | @channel - if anyone can run any tests today that will be good - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds | 08:19 |
| meetingology | elfy: Error: 'supybot.-' is not a valid configuration variable. | 08:19 |
| elfy | stupid thing | 08:19 |
| Unit193 | xnox: Hello. It seems ubiquity will not start and will "silently" fail if upower is not installed, might want to depend on it? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6249950 | 08:27 |
| Unit193 | (And thus ends my test, oom-killer took it out.) | 08:27 |
| Unit193 | ...Or I should stop doing weird things/breaking other peoples toys? :P | 08:28 |
| elfy | where's the fun in that? | 08:36 |
| xnox | Unit193: all ubiquity images have upower on them..... what image / cd are you using? | 08:40 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Less getting hollered at, here watch. | 08:41 |
| Unit193 | xnox: It's not anything relly, just debootstrap base and chroot in and install, then make live. | 08:41 |
| Unit193 | (ccan't type now.) | 08:41 |
| Unit193 | +well | 08:41 |
| xnox | Unit193: don't do that. | 08:42 |
| xnox | Unit193: that's not support, use lp:livecd-rootfs / lp:ubuntu-cdimage to build live images using seeds. | 08:42 |
| xnox | Unit193: no need to re-invent all of that. | 08:42 |
| Unit193 | xnox: Where's the fun in that? :P And that kind of assumes that I'm building a normal flavor? Thanks for the links though, taking a look. (Already re-invented thw wheel though.) Figured you'd might want to know though, as it doesn't start without it... | 08:44 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 08:46 |
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| elfy | morning slickymaster | 08:47 |
| xnox | Unit193: it's not the only thing that will not work..... | 08:48 |
| xnox | Unit193: you do need a normalish desktopish install to make ubiquity actually work. | 08:48 |
| Unit193 | xnox: Understandable, I was using openbox. :D | 08:48 |
| slickymaster | hi, elfy | 08:49 |
| Unit193 | xnox: So guessing considered "NotABug"? :/ | 08:49 |
| xnox | Unit193: i thought we had an openbox flabour, there was one unofficial one bluebuntu or something. | 08:49 |
| Unit193 | Not the slightest clue, was testing something else really. | 08:50 |
| Unit193 | xnox: And "regressions" in casper could be asked aoub in #ubuntu-installer perhaps? | 08:57 |
| xnox | Unit193: casper dicussions are on-topic on #ubuntu-installer. | 08:57 |
| Unit193 | Cool, sorry for the bother (and lack of typing ability) | 08:58 |
| elfy | knome: upgrades are tested - both 64bit and 32bit have at least 1 test I've done for each today and a bunch of tests done over the last few days for superseded ones | 11:07 |
| elfy | biab | 11:17 |
| knome | oki | 11:21 |
| ochosi | brainwash: so i guess i have to check whether we can do in the greeter what feh does (set the root background) | 11:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and we need to build xfwm4 with the flag which enables the copy mechanism of the root background | 11:26 |
| brainwash | ..and do some testing, there have to be some drawbacks | 11:28 |
| ochosi | yes? | 11:28 |
| ochosi | like what | 11:28 |
| brainwash | it's not enabled by default | 11:28 |
| ochosi | so what are the drawbacks? | 11:30 |
| brainwash | performance loss? the background gets set and then copied | 11:31 |
| brainwash | maybe visual glitches | 11:31 |
| brainwash | if something goes wrong | 11:32 |
| brainwash | so it needs to be tested, but we got plenty of time until 14.04 :) | 11:32 |
| ochosi | oh, i thought _you_ noticed some drawbacks | 11:33 |
| ochosi | well yes, ofc it has to be tested | 11:33 |
| ochosi | btw, didn't you point out that the calendar-icons were inconsistent in some sizes? (32 and 16px) | 11:34 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, i fixed that yesterday | 11:34 |
| knome | i think i did | 11:34 |
| brainwash | wasn't me | 11:34 |
| ochosi | ah, hi knome | 11:34 |
| ochosi | and: you're welcome ;) | 11:34 |
| knome | hullo. | 11:34 |
| knome | cheers | 11:34 |
| brainwash | but it's usually my job to complain about low res icons :D | 11:35 |
| brainwash | how do you mark bug 1232804 for the next release? or add it to the todo list for 14.04? | 11:37 |
| ubottu | bug 1232804 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "[compositing] improve login greeter -> desktop transition" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1232804 | 11:37 |
| ochosi | i think knome started a blueprint for 14.04, you can link it there if you want | 11:41 |
| ochosi | unless we're only using the wiki now to track 14.04, then you can add it there | 11:41 |
| ochosi | (wait for knome's answer on that) | 11:42 |
| knome | wha? | 11:43 |
| knome | add to the wiki | 11:43 |
| knome | easier to follow, supports locks and stuff | 11:43 |
| knome | let's move stuff to blueprints when we are done and decided on stuff we want to work on | 11:43 |
| brainwash | link? | 11:45 |
| brainwash | most likely I'm not able to add it myself, so anyone with the required privileges has to it =S | 11:47 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap | 11:47 |
| knome | you are if you have ubuntu SSO (LP account) | 11:47 |
| brainwash | ok, it won't let me log in currently (stuck at the personal data request) | 11:51 |
| ochosi | that sometimes takes a while | 11:52 |
| ochosi | or a few attempts | 11:53 |
| elfy | ochosi: sometimes ? is that some European thing for 'always' :p | 12:10 |
| Unit193 | And also something about copy it into a text editor before hitting save, or else you might lose it? | 12:10 |
| elfy | ahah :) | 12:11 |
| elfy | knome: so - when shall we/I mark these as ready? | 12:11 |
| knome | elfy, i'm totally out of the loop. if they look/feel ready to you, please mark them as such | 12:13 |
| elfy | lol - ok - well I've not seen anything new - some of the odd ubiquity issues are gone it seems | 12:13 |
| elfy | I'll mark them now then | 12:13 |
| knome | are there non-ready images? | 12:17 |
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| elfy | knome: yea - lubuntu for one | 12:18 |
| knome | heh. i meant for xubuntu | 12:18 |
| knome | ochosi, is it know that scrolling doesn't work on gedit (gtk3) on saucy? | 12:19 |
| elfy | nope - I've marked our finals/dailies/upgrades | 12:19 |
| brainwash | knome: bug 1236271 | 12:20 |
| ubottu | bug 1236271 in xfwm4 (Ubuntu) "GTK3 applications do not react to scroll wheel input when overlay scrollbars are activated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1236271 | 12:20 |
| knome | ah, so it's that. | 12:20 |
| brainwash | xfwm4 not compatible with overlay scrollbars | 12:20 |
| knome | how do i disable them? | 12:20 |
| brainwash | normal unity/compiz shouldn't be affected | 12:21 |
| brainwash | xubuntu does not ship with them :) | 12:21 |
| knome | well apparently, i have them enabled after upgrade... | 12:21 |
| knome | or then it's a non-overlay-scrollbar issue | 12:21 |
| brainwash | the small scrollbars with the popup handle? | 12:21 |
| knome | hmm, no | 12:22 |
| knome | scrolling doesn't work without that either. | 12:22 |
| knome | works in other apps | 12:22 |
| brainwash | yes, only some gtk3 apps are affected | 12:22 |
| knome | Setting the environment variable "GDK_CORE_DEVICE_EVENTS=1" does resolve this issue. | 12:23 |
| brainwash | but the issue was gone after disabling overlay scrollbars on my system | 12:23 |
| knome | that did it for me too | 12:23 |
| brainwash | woot | 12:23 |
| brainwash | strange | 12:23 |
| knome | wait | 12:24 |
| knome | no | 12:24 |
| knome | huh. | 12:24 |
| knome | yeah it did. | 12:25 |
| brainwash | no clue what might be wrong here | 12:27 |
| pleia2 | congratulations, my friends :) | 13:56 |
| smartboyhw | Congrats:) | 13:58 |
| elfy | hi pleia2 | 14:06 |
| pleia2 | hi there elfy | 14:07 |
| pleia2 | I shouldn't be awake | 14:07 |
| elfy | neither should I - got exactly no sleep last night | 14:07 |
| slickymaster | afternoon all | 14:54 |
| olbi | Gratz to Xubuntu 13.10, but this sound menu isn't very good for team :/ | 16:13 |
| elfy | really | 16:15 |
| brainwash | thanks for reminding us about the sound indicator :) | 16:15 |
| elfy | we deliberately made sure it wasn't fixed so people could complain | 16:15 |
| GridCube | hahaha | 16:17 |
| * slickymaster LOL | 16:24 | |
| elfy | I ought to say that I was in fact joking as someone might read the logs and think I was serious | 16:25 |
| elfy | for Justin's Case | 16:25 |
| brainwash | ochosi: any news on how lubuntu locks the screen? still only vt switching without actually locking the session? | 16:36 |
| olbi | hehe :D | 16:41 |
| * skellat lifts his trucker's cup full of decaf tea to the notion that Stable Release Updates will be very needed for 13.10 | 16:46 | |
| elfy | decaf tea? | 16:46 |
| skellat | elfy: I'm not allowed caffeine | 16:46 |
| brainwash | who is in charge of setting up the xfce4-panel gtk3 indicator PPA? | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: micahg was trying to do it | 18:32 |
| Noskcaj | Has there name of t-series been announced yet? | 19:00 |
| knome | not as far as i know | 19:01 |
| Unit193 | skellat: Erm, just looked at the T roadmap, that's not really what I was talking to xn ox about... | 19:26 |
| Unit193 | skellat: You are free to use that information for later use with Xubuntu core, but that was only slightly in mind at the time... | 19:29 |
| Unit193 | Added the meeting to the Xubuntu team calendar, but didn't see a link to it in the wiki or website. | 20:16 |
| brainwash | ali1234: ok, maybe it will be up and running soon | 20:17 |
| elfy | cya tomorrow | 20:18 |
| brainwash | ali1234: any more news regarding the users-admin segfault? just leave the report open and forget about it? | 20:18 |
| ali1234 | nothing from me | 20:19 |
| brainwash | any drawbacks when the clear operation gets removed? | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | knome: Most likely won't make it to the meeting, but I had nothing (of interest) to say anywho. | 21:04 |
| Noskcaj10 | I can't make the meeting (timezone issues), can we add python3 and what xfce4.11 stuff we want to the agenda? | 21:06 |
| Noskcaj10 | Or is that something for UDS? | 21:12 |
| pleia2 | updated http://docs.xubuntu.org/ | 21:27 |
| brainwash | would the change proposed by bug 1241210 affect Xubuntu? | 21:31 |
| ubottu | bug 1241210 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "shouldn't use deprecated gtk-logout-helper" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1241210 | 21:31 |
| Unit193 | pleia2: Great! | 21:34 |
| ali1234 | i just realised something about the gtk2 sound indicator - it's actually really easy to bodge it and make it work | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | all that is required it to change the dbus service name in both halves and add a new dbus service initializer | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | then it will be as if it is a totally different indicator | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | this is probably what they should have done when changing to gtk3 in the first place | 21:40 |
| Unit193 | Please pardon my lack of knowledge on the subject, but would that mess with applications needing to access the dbus service, like gmusicbrowser or such? | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | yes, but volume control should work | 21:41 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 21:41 |
| Unit193 | Yey, not stupidz. \o/ | 21:41 |
| brainwash | but why would they even care about gtk2 "legacy" stuff? | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | it wasn't legacy until after it was replaced | 21:43 |
| Unit193 | I mean, it's not like they use it, why would anyone else? | 21:43 |
| ali1234 | we can't really complain | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | i mean even xubuntu is not going to use that in next release | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | if "they" are going to fix something i would rather it was #1203888 | 21:47 |
| ali1234 | or #1074314 | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | Stinks for LXDE, but not our problem at least. | 21:47 |
| Unit193 | bug #1074314 bug #1203888 | 21:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074314 | 21:48 |
| ubottu | bug 1203888 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "appindicator ignores menu entries after having sent the menu to the indicator" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203888 | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | LXDE is moving to Qt anyway | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | Hah, nice. | 21:48 |
| Unit193 | ali1234: Not in 14.04, iirc. | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | yes, but they do depreciate things | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | i bet the released version isn't getting much love right now | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | i wonder, is it even possible to use indicators in a Qt desktop? | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | it must e if unity switches | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | but i don't see how | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | unless they also rewrite all indicators as Qt at the same time | 21:51 |
| pleia2 | what are we telling folks re: sound indicator? is there a bug report w/ work arounds? | 22:28 |
| bluesabre | bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204 | 22:30 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] | 22:30 |
| bluesabre | work around at comment 27 | 22:30 |
| skellat | pleia2: It is in the release notes as a known issue. I'm not aware of a valid workaround. | 22:30 |
| pleia2 | skellat: I know | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | I gave someone on facebook a link to the release notes, now he wants a work around ;) | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | was just wondering what the party line is, I'll advise waiting for a patch | 22:31 |
| bluesabre | do we know if anybody is interested in actually fixing it in the indicator-sound package? | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | I hear bluesabre wants to | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | I heard that too | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | must be a rumor | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | :) | 22:33 |
| skellat | bluesabre: Have we tested that workaround as being arch:any since it refers to amd64 only? My netbook is still only 32-bit, for example... | 22:33 |
| Unit193 | Editing the file will get overwritten on package updates, but has the exact same upside, if we update to GTK3 it will too. | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | skellat: that work around obiously needs a slight tweak for 32-bit | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | the gtk3 update would be a wonderful solution | 22:35 |
| skellat | What will SRU plus backports landing take in the time we've got before T opens? | 22:36 |
| * skellat shuffles off to the kitchen | 22:40 | |
| Unit193 | BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FOOD IS!! | 22:40 |
| Unit193 | /Sorry. | 22:40 |
| pleia2 | :) | 22:41 |
| brainwash | like expected, people are complaining about the release :( | 22:54 |
| Unit193 | Not where I'm looking, but isn't that to be expected? | 22:55 |
| brainwash | it goes like this "That kind of bugs should really prevent a distribution from being released..." | 22:56 |
| Unit193 | Hah, yes. The minor glitches shouldn't be there, hold the release! | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | (Don't get me wrong, I do kind of like the Debian style, but also does drive you nuts at times.) | 22:57 |
| brainwash | but I'm curious, does Canonical not allow rescheduling the final release? | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | /topic Next focus: Tenacious Tribbles | 23:02 |
| brainwash | and launchpad gets flooded by failed upgrade reports =S | 23:05 |
| brainwash | maybe that's business as usual :D | 23:06 |
| slickymaster | good night all | 23:24 |
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