| apachelogger | ScottK: kde bug 326170, kde bug 326172, kde bug 326173, kde bug 326175 | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | KDE bug 326170 in muon "releasechecker forked more than once" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326170 | 00:00 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326172 in muon "releasechecker uses busy wait" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326172 | 00:00 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326173 in notifier "statusnotifier disappears too soon" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326173 | 00:01 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326175 in misc "releasechecker should be called WAY less" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326175 | 00:01 |
| apachelogger | oh actually I think I know why discover is not used for update management | 00:01 |
| apachelogger | it probably has no support for release updates :P | 00:02 |
| apachelogger | of course now is a bad time to check because there is no dev series ^^ | 00:03 |
| valorie | gosh, ubuntu is still refusing connections on the torrents page | 01:56 |
| valorie | picky picky picky | 01:56 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: But wait. There's more: KDE Bug 326176, KDE Bug 326177, KDE Bug 326178 | 02:04 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326176 in updater "After checking updates, display is not updated to show package availability of revised last checked time" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326176 | 02:04 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326177 in updater "U/I to update sources missing" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326177 | 02:04 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326178 in discover "No feedback provided when retrieving updated sources after sources change" [Major,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326178 | 02:04 |
| ahoneybun | howdy | 03:08 |
| Jekyll | any idea about https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306344 ? | 04:14 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 306344 in installer "KNSBackend crash when switching views in MSC" [Crash,Reopened] | 04:14 |
| valorie | Jekyll: jontheechidna hasn't been around much in IRC recently | 04:20 |
| valorie | I assume he'll respond on the bug | 04:20 |
| seaLne | ScottK: when you were getting those problems with muon did you check if there was a lock file in place, can't remember the location but the generic one that also stops apt-get. That turned out to be why muon wasn't appearing to do anything for me, apart from making the system tray icon appear | 04:33 |
| ScottK | seaLne: There are times where it is, in fact updating, so it's not locked. | 05:05 |
| seaLne | ok, just thought i'd say incase it was related. mine most likely just got upset at some point | 05:11 |
| * valorie shares the Hennessey around the channel | 05:16 | |
| valorie | buntu torrent server still refusing connections | 05:18 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: bug 1240951 for sru review | 08:38 |
| ubottu | bug 1240951 in kubuntu-docs (Ubuntu Saucy) "installation pages should be removed from kubuntu-docs" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240951 | 08:38 |
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| apachelogger | ScottK: you make it look as if the updater was entirely broken :P | 09:36 |
| soee | good morning | 09:36 |
| Riddell | there's a new plasma-nm, do we do an SRU which might fix our crash on upgrade or not bother since it's faffy to upgrade back to the old kded and plasmoid names | 10:10 |
| Riddell | bug 1231360 | 10:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1231360 in plasma-nm (Ubuntu) "crash on upgrade from networkmanagement to plasma-nm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1231360 | 10:10 |
| Riddell | hmm muon upgrader says my system is up to date when I know there's new stuff that could be installed | 10:12 |
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| apachelogger | Riddell: we went on abug reprot spree on updater yesterday | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | there's quite some issues | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | and as for plasma-nm, I'd look into how reliably we can roll users to the new names | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | if there is a tiny chance it can go wrong I'd use a different approach | 10:42 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what I have been thinking about... if the plasma-nm people planon doing another release before the end of the year we may want to SRU that as well, so to enable that I'd pick the new plasma-nm and patch it the other way around (i.e. lower version and patch names of kded/applet to match what we have) | 10:43 |
| apachelogger | s/planon/planing on/ | 10:44 |
| kubotu | apachelogger meant: "Riddell: what I have been thinking about... if the plasma-nm people planing on doing another release before the end of the year we may want to SRU that as well, so to enable that I'd pick the new plasma-nm and patch it the other way around (i.e. lower version and patch names of kded/applet to match what we have)" | 10:44 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: why would we want to patch names to what we currently have? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: Quintasan: did either of you look at the telepathy PPA? david queries it a while ago and I don't know if anyone got back to him | 12:02 |
| Riddell | !newversion calligra 2.7.4 | 12:06 |
| ubottu | Riddell: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 12:06 |
| Riddell | hmm | 12:06 |
| Riddell | kubotu: newversion calligra 2.7.4 | 12:06 |
| Riddell | ... | 12:06 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241536 | 12:06 |
| Riddell | yay :) | 12:06 |
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| smartboyhw | ahoneybun is applying for Kubuntu membership, nice | 12:27 |
| Riddell | awooga | 12:28 |
| smartboyhw | He will probably get a cleaner vote than mine:P | 12:31 |
| Riddell | I think we were all happy to have you as a member | 12:34 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I don't know why, but everytime I apply for such membership/developer stuff it doesn't go as good as I wished (LOL) | 12:35 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: well we're very glad to have you! | 12:42 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, I know, just hoping that ahoneybun gets the application very good;P | 12:44 |
| agateau | Riddell: I have a fix for the "back-button-of-death" bug in Ubiquity. Have you filed a bug on LP? | 12:58 |
| Riddell | agateau: oh cool, yeah hang on | 12:59 |
| Riddell | bug 1240859 | 12:59 |
| ubottu | bug 1240859 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "if wireless step is skipped impossible to go back a step" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1240859 | 12:59 |
| Riddell | agateau: ↑ | 12:59 |
| agateau | Riddell: ok, thanks | 13:00 |
| agateau | the bug was not related to wireless, it just happens that (I guess) wireless is the first time we have a skippable page in the kde ui | 13:02 |
| Riddell | yeah | 13:02 |
| agateau | my fix is similar to a fix done in 2007(!) on the GTK frontend | 13:03 |
| Riddell | back in the day | 13:03 |
| agateau | https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-going-back/+merge/191806 | 13:05 |
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| jalcine | BBoD; sounds like a band | 13:12 |
| Riddell | agateau: looks simple enough, I'll upload it, thanks | 13:12 |
| agateau | Riddell: great | 13:13 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, BTW is ahoneycutt's vote in UTC or own timezone when viewed in Doodle? | 13:27 |
| smartboyhw | I'm not a KC member, but really would like to support him | 13:27 |
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| Riddell | smartboyhw: I assumed it was UTC | 13:28 |
| Riddell | but you'd need to ask him | 13:28 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell, sure | 13:36 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: re the updater - I'm sure it's OK if you wait for it to d it's automatice check for new packages and let you know, however if you try to manually check for udpates, yeah, it's pretty broken. Certainly a substantial regression from what was there before. | 14:02 |
| smartboyhw | Trusty Tahr -- The new T codename http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 | 14:03 |
| === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 released | Shirts! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ | T cycle codename is Trusty Tahr, see http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295 | ||
| === smartboyhw changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu | https://trello.com/kubuntu | 4.11.2 notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | bugs http://goo.gl/vHRjj | build status http://goo.gl/cjEFkO | 13.10 released | Shirts! https://holvi.com/shop/Kubuntu/ | T cycle codename is Trusty Tahr, see http://goo.gl/sf3YXa | ||
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 14:08 |
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| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/WMWd7Bm.png | 14:14 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: ooh! | 14:15 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: could do with a vertical spacer at the bottom though :) | 14:15 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh yeah | 14:15 |
| ScottK | Riddell: The kubuntu-doc package itself looks fine, but the bug needs the usual SRU stuff added to it. | 14:26 |
| Riddell | ScottK: test case added | 14:31 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/1eMWf19.png | 14:31 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: lovely :) | 14:34 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 14:35 |
| jefferai | Hi Kubuntu people. I have a question that I think one of you packagers might know the answer to. | 15:17 |
| jefferai | The question is this: when statically linking, how do CFLAGS of different static libraries affect each other? | 15:17 |
| jefferai | for instance, if one libary is built with -O2 and your executable is built with -O3, is this an issue? | 15:17 |
| jefferai | I imagine it isn't because static linking still has those libraries as distinct entities so CFLAGS don't really bug each other | 15:17 |
| jefferai | but I'm not sure and figure someone else might know better | 15:17 |
| jefferai | (I'm also interested in whether these days you still get a noticeable boost from static linking. Reading around suggests that yes, you do, but that it depends on how many shared library calls you're making) | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer_ | I don't think it makes a difference, but I have very little experience with static linking | 15:20 |
| Riddell | jefferai: we don't use static libraries so I guess there's not much experience here | 15:22 |
| jefferai | Riddell: Sure. But packagers tend to know more about the linking process than I do in general :-) | 15:22 |
| Riddell | jefferai: I suspect that dynamic loading still takes a long time but haven't tested | 15:22 |
| jefferai | dynamic loading isn't a huge concern for me; if it takes a few extra seconds to load and will run for 6 months I don't really care | 15:23 |
| jefferai | I saw an IBM article which said that the extra translation causes a performance degredation when calling shared library routines; at the same time dynamic linking, because it shares copies in memory, reduces the risk of expensive page faults | 15:24 |
| jefferai | but no indication which one is likely to trump the other :-) | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: can you fire up a python3 shell | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: and run these 3 lines http://pastebin.kde.org/puushiub2 | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | and then pastebin the result | 15:27 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer_: http://pastebin.kde.org/p64gcqqpd | 15:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | oh | 15:32 |
| Riddell | but I have a nice thinkpad without evil hardware in it | 15:33 |
| genii | They've certainly gone downhill since IBM stopped making them. | 15:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | ^^ | 15:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | anyway | 15:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | anyone with evil hardware | 15:34 |
| shadeslayer_ | with evil proprietary drivers installed | 15:35 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer_, not here, I ran it and same result (and please, no evil proprietary drivers>_> | 15:35 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: I'm using nvidia | 15:35 |
| shadeslayer_ | genii: could you run these 3 lines http://pastebin.kde.org/puushiub2 | 15:35 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: OK, hang on a bit | 15:38 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6257975/ | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer_ | o_O | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | genii, use usr/bin/python3 instead? | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer_ | do you have python3-apt | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer_ | smartboyhw: no that's fine, I have python3.3 | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer_ | and it works | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer_ | I think he's missing python3-apt : ImportError: No module named apt_pkg | 15:42 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: apt-cache policy python3-apt: Installed: 0.8.9.1ubuntu1 | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | huh | 15:43 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_: I have evil hardware, but not with me. I can do it tonight or tomorrow if no one else does. | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | ack | 15:43 |
| genii | Same exact error if I use the /usr/bin/python3.2 ( there is also just python3 there, should i try that? ) | 15:45 |
| shadeslayer_ | IIRC python3 is just a symlink | 15:45 |
| debfx | shadeslayer_: http://pastebin.kde.org/parc7eaok | 15:46 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Accepted into proposed. | 15:46 |
| shadeslayer_ | ok so not limited to my machine then | 15:46 |
| shadeslayer_ | Ubuntu Drivers should return a 'selected' key for the currently selected driver | 15:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | except that it does not | 15:47 |
| debfx | also not very efficient, taking nearly 48s | 15:47 |
| shadeslayer_ | well, can be improved, those 2 commands recreate the cache | 15:48 |
| BluesKaj | dkms status will show the graphics driver in use | 15:49 |
| BluesKaj | if it's the non default | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | BluesKaj: Ideally UbuntuDrivers would provide the information | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer_ | I've emailed Albert about it | 15:49 |
| genii | Ah, I didn't notice that python3 links to python3.3 . When I use that instead, it just churns for a bit with no output whatsoever and returns to command prompt after about 30 seconds | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer_ | wow, really? works with python3.3? | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer_ | and doesn't with 3.2 | 15:50 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: Correct, yes | 15:50 |
| debfx | python3.2 isn't in the archive anymore since raring so it's not surprising that it's broken | 15:51 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: Here, the python3.2 links to python3.2mu if it makes any difference | 15:52 |
| shadeslayer_ | debfx: this is also fun http://pastebin.kde.org/pridgdsbp | 15:54 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_ and genii: Makes complete sense because Python extensions are only built for supported python vresions. | 15:58 |
| ScottK | It's no surprise at all that python3-apt doesn't support it. | 15:58 |
| ScottK | This is a feature, not a bug. | 15:59 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: ping | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: pong | 16:15 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it also failed with auto detected updates... alas I got a notification but muon-updater then said there are no updates until I did a manual check | 16:16 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Fun. Perhaps I was being too kind in my bug reports. | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 16:17 |
| apachelogger | I am not too happy about the premature inclusion of pre-release muon for the sake of getting discover | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer_ | wohoo | 16:20 |
| shadeslayer_ | http://i.imgur.com/eWmniKq.png | 16:20 |
| genii | Hm. Jockey reports that no proprietary drivers are in use on this sytem, however, lsmod begs to differ. | 16:21 |
| shadeslayer_ | want to try my app ? :P | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: I think you neesd someone with UI knowledge to make that more pleasing to the eye :P | 16:22 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: Do i need to be running drivers from stock repos for this stuff to work properly? Because I'm actually running xorg-edgers for my nvidia | 16:22 |
| shadeslayer_ | genii: no | 16:23 |
| ScottK | genii: Jockey has suffered from some bit rot since only Kubuntu is still using it. I fixed it to support install for saucy release, but other problems don't particularly surprise me. | 16:23 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: so, not you? :D | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | I am better at writing perl than I am at making UIs not suck donkey balls | 16:23 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: I'll give whatever you got a go and report back if you like | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: I do think we have widgets for that though | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | based of qframe | 16:24 |
| apachelogger | would at least provide continuity | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | genii: lp:~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde | 16:25 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: and I think the window size is off :P | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | genii: you'll need to edit driver-manager-kde.py to fix the path | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | for the designer file | 16:25 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: OK | 16:25 |
| shadeslayer_ | the buttons don't work ofcourse ^_^ | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | huh | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | how can the buttons not work? | 16:26 |
| shadeslayer_ | by not doing anything | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | that's two connects | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | in fact you can even connect it to the qdialog via designer | 16:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | heh | 16:27 |
| genii | shadeslayer_: Doesn't like me trying to get into the +junk directory | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | it's da first thing I do when I put a button somewhere :P | 16:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | I need to look at muon api first :) | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | the shining is a very weird movie | 16:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | hmm not sure how to make this integrated into muon | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | drop it | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | rewrite in c++ | 16:30 |
| apachelogger | actually I do strongly believe that what you need to do is python bind libmuon/libqapt | 16:31 |
| shadeslayer_ | I have no idea what python bind libmuon/libqapt is | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | generate a python binding module for the libraries | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | a la pykde | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer_ | bah | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | otherwise you cannot access muon | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | and as I said the other way is to write in c++ and then use cpython to access the python bits inside the c++ code (which is more of a pain than getting bindings generated) | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | ... at least cpython was rather painful last I looked at it which was a while ago but I doubt anyone wrote a more usable API yet :P | 16:34 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer_: http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/ | 16:36 |
| shadeslayer_ | oh | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer_ | fun | 16:37 |
| ScottK | It's already packaged, FYI. | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer_ | yeah | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer_ | lets rewrite this in C++! | 16:38 |
| apachelogger | question is which way is the better | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: well, we get Muon integration the other way around | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | because IMO python bindings may be useful in the long run | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | so I'd talk with JT about this | 16:39 |
| apachelogger | see what he thinks | 16:39 |
| ScottK | Getting a standalone move from jockey to ubuntu-drivers would be a big win. So don't stop while youre getting the integration sorted. | 16:42 |
| shadeslayer_ | well, all I need to sort out is the installation part | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | and I'll have a basic prototype which works | 16:43 |
| shadeslayer_ | I suppose I could just use the apt bindings for now | 16:44 |
| shadeslayer_ | and show a dialog | 16:44 |
| genii | Ah, nvm, was code.launchpad.net :) , I'm there now | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer_ | :) | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer_ | wth | 17:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: could you have a look at lp:~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | and tell me why the hell is it not running? | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer_ | oh | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer_ | ohhh | 17:30 |
| shadeslayer_ | nvm nvm | 17:30 |
| claydoh | are daily builds for packages in kubuntu updates ppa the norm now? | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer_ | Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/VsAcSHu.png | 18:16 |
| shadeslayer_ | apachelogger: ^^ | 18:16 |
| * ScottK waves to claydoh. | 18:23 | |
| ScottK | (no idea about your question) | 18:23 |
| shadeslayer_ | claydoh: might want to ask yofel | 18:23 |
| claydoh | hi shadeslayer_ and ScottK, A forum user was wondering about all the daily packages he has been getting since upgrading to saucy, he has the updates ppa enabled | 18:25 |
| claydoh | the "git" in the versioning is the concern I guess :) | 18:27 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: claydoh how do you guys like http://i.imgur.com/VsAcSHu.png | 18:32 |
| claydoh | shadeslayer_: nice | 18:35 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_: Looks nice. I think it'll be much better than the current Jocky U/I. | 18:41 |
| ScottK | Jockey ... | 18:41 |
| shadeslayer_ | :) | 18:54 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_: What's the maximum height your U/I will need? Please keep it un 550 pixels. | 18:56 |
| ScottK | s//un/under/ | 18:56 |
| kubotu | ScottK meant: "unshadeslayer_: What's the maximum height your U/I will need? Please keep it un 550 pixels." | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | ScottK: me and afiestas just discussed some issues about width | 18:56 |
| ScottK | No, I didn't. | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | and height | 18:56 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | for eg. the Device text might get too wide | 18:56 |
| shadeslayer_ | or we might have a bazillion drivers needed | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | ( The most proprietary laptop in the world ) | 18:57 |
| ScottK | We should support a 576 x 800 netbook and with a 24 px panel, that leaves ~500. | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | ack | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | I'll fix that tomorrow | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer_ | need to head back home now | 18:57 |
| ScottK | K | 18:57 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer_: I'd also ask Pitt and tseliot for thoughts on U/I. | 18:58 |
| ScottK | err pitti | 18:58 |
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| ahoneybun | hey | 21:04 |
| soee | hi guys | 21:04 |
| ScottK | soee: Great job on all the ISO testing. Thanks. | 21:14 |
| soee | best distro deserved that :] | 21:15 |
| ahoneybun | ScottK: can you vote on the doodle for my membership meeting> | 21:19 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 21:20 |
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| kubotu | ::qt-bugs:: [1241859] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: lectura insuficiente en buff... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241859 (by Lucas Germán Burgos) | 22:47 |
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| ahoneybun | hey valorie | 23:13 |
| valorie | hi ahoneybun | 23:13 |
| ahoneybun | it seems that the installation page was inclued | 23:13 |
| ahoneybun | included | 23:14 |
| valorie | :( | 23:14 |
| valorie | damn it, I asked over and over for that to be removed | 23:14 |
| valorie | grrrr | 23:14 |
| valorie | for two weeks | 23:14 |
| ahoneybun | I talked to lordievader about it he did remove it from the package just someone needed to upload it or build it | 23:15 |
| ahoneybun | something like that | 23:15 |
| valorie | I guess people who have already installed won't bother to look at the install section | 23:16 |
| valorie | but still, it looks BAD | 23:16 |
| valorie | there are notes in there, and it just plain isn't finishe | 23:16 |
| valorie | d | 23:16 |
| ahoneybun | anyway we got the docs on there | 23:16 |
| valorie | fine for a wiki | 23:16 |
| apachelogger | filing bugs helps with getting issues resolved :P | 23:17 |
| valorie | nothing else | 23:17 |
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| valorie | afaik, a bug was filed | 23:17 |
| apachelogger | only seen one from JR filed on release day or something like that | 23:17 |
| valorie | I was asked, and I gave an answer | 23:17 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 23:17 |
| valorie | had I been asked to file a bug, I would have done so | 23:17 |
| valorie | yeah | 23:17 |
| valorie | too late now | 23:17 |
| apachelogger | since you need to look into l10n ... I guess it would be worthwhile to also work out a way to get certain pages not exported | 23:18 |
| valorie | next time we'll have it done | 23:18 |
| apachelogger | and ultimately not by having a manual balcklist in whatever creates the package export | 23:18 |
| apachelogger | e.g. a special category or something (kinda depends on the wiki sofwtare I guess ^^) | 23:18 |
| ahoneybun | I think we need to clear that lp for the package as those bugs are all old | 23:18 |
| valorie | well, ultimately we want to ship only the mini-doc package, in docbook | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | docbook? | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | wut? | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | huh? :P | 23:19 |
| valorie | the wiki -> website is fine, for the website | 23:19 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: lordievader is moving a test page to MediaWiki | 23:19 |
| valorie | yes, good old xml | 23:19 |
| ahoneybun | to see how the export works there | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | valorie: so what's on the CD? | 23:19 |
| valorie | apachelogger: afaik, the website | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | ahoneybun, lordievader: talk to upstream first | 23:19 |
| apachelogger | valorie: so what's docbook used for then? I am confused :/ | 23:20 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: they use MediaWiki | 23:20 |
| valorie | apachelogger: it will not work for us to use the KDE infra for our wiki | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | ahoneybun: I mean if they ever looked into export etc. | 23:20 |
| valorie | we either use the Ubuntu wiki, or our own install of mediawiki | 23:20 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: true | 23:20 |
| valorie | sure, they export all the time | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | valorie: yes | 23:20 |
| apachelogger | valorie: I did not say we should use their infrasturcutre, I said we shoudl talk to them | 23:21 |
| valorie | that's how the Amarok Handbook is made | 23:21 |
| apachelogger | because doing research our friends at KDE did already is kind of a waste of time :P | 23:21 |
| valorie | sure | 23:21 |
| valorie | I agree | 23:21 |
| ahoneybun | I'm just looking for what gives us the best docs | 23:21 |
| valorie | and I've talked to them | 23:21 |
| ahoneybun | and does not waste time like apachelogger said | 23:21 |
| valorie | of course | 23:21 |
| valorie | we're raking over ground we covered while starting this up | 23:22 |
| ahoneybun | Yea we talked about MediaWiki before | 23:22 |
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| valorie | the problem I have with installing our own wiki is 1. upkeep and 2. abandoning the great Ubuntu wiki stuff | 23:23 |
| valorie | but damn, moinmoin sucks | 23:23 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: agreed in areas | 23:23 |
| valorie | there is no perfect answer | 23:23 |
| valorie | we just have to choose a path and move ahead | 23:24 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: amarok uses mediawiki right? | 23:24 |
| valorie | yes | 23:24 |
| ahoneybun | and they use docbook. | 23:24 |
| valorie | we don't use our own wiki any more because upkeep is hell | 23:25 |
| valorie | right | 23:25 |
| valorie | that script is available to us | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: oh, btw, saucy subforums on kf.net could need fiddling with, there's still only pre-release apparently | 23:25 |
| valorie | the translation tools are available to us | 23:25 |
| valorie | etc. | 23:25 |
| ahoneybun | what about making a odf, a text file | 23:25 |
| valorie | that is also possible | 23:25 |
| valorie | when enabled | 23:26 |
| ahoneybun | I like that idea Mint does that I believe | 23:26 |
| valorie | so that it can be easily read on devices | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | I think html is more accessible on devices than odf | 23:26 |
| valorie | I have an old copy of the handbook on my kindle | 23:26 |
| valorie | :-) | 23:26 |
| ahoneybun | yea we could have both | 23:26 |
| valorie | well, you can do all kinds of output | 23:26 |
| ahoneybun | I mean it is for the mini docs | 23:26 |
| apachelogger | what are mini docs? | 23:27 |
| ahoneybun | only do this for the mini docs the main will be the site | 23:27 |
| valorie | apachelogger: we want to have a small subset of the docs which are well translated | 23:27 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: basic starter things | 23:27 |
| valorie | the parts that rarely change | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | shouldn't that be all the docs? | 23:28 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: too much for a small team | 23:28 |
| apachelogger | i.e. everythign else ought to be covered by help.ubuntu.com | 23:28 |
| apachelogger | so IMO docs.kubuntu == what we ship in the package and what is well translated; help.ubuntu all the other rubbish (like how do I set up an openconnect vpn or whatnot) | 23:29 |
| valorie | apachelogger: would be great to get them all translated, but where are the people to do that? | 23:29 |
| apachelogger | valorie: ubuntu l10n team, who you probably also should talk to | 23:29 |
| valorie | that is a good idea, yes | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | at least german kubuntu stuff is being translated ;) | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | and polish | 23:30 |
| valorie | but I believe they also work from the docbook | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | though the polish one has 3 untranslated strings in ubiquity (what a shame :() | 23:30 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: maybe work on the mini docs mostly and then try to expand with the help of the l10n team> | 23:30 |
| apachelogger | valorie: not entirely... it's a paragraph export from docbook to launchpad, so you have docbook markup and each paragraph as one translation unit | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | so I guess you should poke them about what they think about translating inside a wiki, if that would work for them, concerns etc. | 23:32 |
| valorie | translating inside a wiki sounds like a nightmare | 23:32 |
| valorie | outside of the tools for mediawiki | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | actually launchpad sounds worse | 23:32 |
| valorie | moinmoin is already a nightmare..... | 23:32 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: even more in moinmoin lol | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | valorie: moinmoin is a nightmare no matter waht | 23:32 |
| valorie | some how ahoneybun manages to make it behave | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | it's just not a good wiki IMO | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | but that's another story | 23:32 |
| valorie | agreed | 23:32 |
| valorie | horrible | 23:32 |
| apachelogger | valorie: point is...if they think translating inside a wiki given appropriate tooling is something they see themselfs doing and enjoying then that should be the added to the equation | 23:33 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: thanks for the help | 23:33 |
| apachelogger | if they are indifferent it doesn't matter, and if they absolutely want launchpad then having sane docbook export must be a selection criteria for the wiki | 23:34 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: off-topic seems that the 25 of this month is a good meeting time | 23:34 |
| valorie | apachelogger: thank you for that | 23:34 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: works for me | 23:34 |
| ahoneybun | 24 | 23:34 |
| ahoneybun | I'm just waiting to see if anymore council vote in | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | ohoh | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: seems muon is still crashing despite last minute fixery -.- | 23:35 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: looks like we need to talk to more people | 23:35 |
| valorie | you don't need the council for membership, I think? | 23:35 |
| valorie | just other kub. members | 23:35 |
| valorie | I could be wrong | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I really do question the entire pre-release testing process by now | 23:35 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I need a meeting at the least | 23:35 |
| valorie | of course | 23:35 |
| valorie | work on your page! | 23:36 |
| ahoneybun | I did a but | 23:36 |
| ahoneybun | bit | 23:36 |
| ahoneybun | just don't know when I should close the poll | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: like how does it go unnoticed that the thing is entirely broken for like 2 months until I accidentially stumble upon it because I didn't even know it was still installed... | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | ahoneybun: when you close it you close it :P | 23:36 |
| valorie | ok, I have to get away from this computer for now | 23:37 |
| valorie | ttyl peeps | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | ohohoho | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: seems apol's fix was no good | 23:40 |
| apachelogger | or incomplete | 23:40 |
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