[00:23] 2nd machine seems to have upgraded smoothly, as well :-) === kubuntu is now known as Guest37883 === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === max is now known as Guest34407 [01:18] I have a laptop with a connected monitor. It turns out that my skype notifications are appering in the monitor which is not the primary output, any idea how to change this behavior? [01:22] brb [01:38] Is lsb_release -i supposed to return Ubuntu or Kubuntu in 13.10? I think it is causing some problems with UEFI booting. === Jikan is now known as Jikai [01:55] mylar: mine says ubuntu, and i'm kub all the way [01:56] mylar: 13.04 also says Ubuntu [02:01] grub won't boot unless i copy the /boot/efi/EFI/kubuntu to /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu [02:03] or manually run configfile with the kubuntu path at the crash prompt [02:06] mylar: looks like that's new, I don't have /boot/efi on 13.04 [02:09] I installed it in UEFI mode so it creates a ~500MB fat32 partition mounted on /boot/efi === bill_ is now known as bill_vbc [02:14] anyone know what the issue is with touchpads on kubuntu 13.10? [02:18] bill_vbc: A bit more info? [02:23] just upgraded and rebooted and touch pad functionality is missing like two fingers to scroll, tap and drag etc. [02:24] very little info on the web.... [02:24] Hmm [02:24] Synaptic is working? [02:24] most I saw was something that looked like a bug filed on ubuntu regarding synaptic and some driver [02:25] I as assume I should see synaptic in ps... just a sec [02:26] yeah, its running [02:27] I'm seeing bugs filed against the touchpad [02:28] yeah... one says the guy won't be able to get to it till Nov 1 [02:29] I guess I'll plug in a mouse... too much stuff on here to do a reinstall... [02:29] hopefully they get to it [02:29] was working fine in 113.04 [02:29] 13.04 [02:29] sigh [02:29] Must advise not to use 13.10 on a laptop till someone can fix this [02:30] have a happy friday night [02:30] bye [03:17] hmmm, I'm having no problem with touchpads in 13.10, on 3 different laptops [03:57] hmm, is there an issue with nvidia and kernel 3.11 at the moment? [03:58] jockey can't seem to find any drivers compatible with the kernel [04:47] join #bipolar [05:01] so, anong balita? === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [05:17] !tl [05:17] Anong === soul is now known as Guest65987 [06:17] so I just installed a package with apt-get install .... but it doesn't show up on the K menu... how do I make packages show up - hopefully without logging out?? [06:22] make a shortcut? [06:22] find the command line equivalent and make a shortcut of it? [06:31] Heyo, having some issues with Kubuntu with 13.10. Firstly, I had updated my box to the beta 2 release a few days ago and subsequently lost everything except my cursor. Black background, no other discernable UI, no login screen. I ran recovery mode and fixed packages. I selected resume startup and it did so normally. Made it to desktop, everything looked dandy. So I rebooted and was faced again [06:31] with the same issue. So I've got a 13.10 actual release DVD I just made to try and install fresh, it displays the same issue with the installer. Except there is randomly colored pixels across the screeen. I hit Alt + F4 and it brought up what appeared to be a perfectly functioning KDE window decoration, but the contents of the window were the same strange garbled pixels. I am running with dual [06:31] Radeon 7950s in crossfire configuration. === kevin is now known as Guest25594 [06:34] So I just installed Ubuntu after having issues with Fedora and the I am having the same problem. I can't access certain secure websites. Gmail, facebook. Amazon, etc... Has anyone ever experienced this before? [06:35] Secure websites, so HTTPS, how is your clock settings, the date/time? [06:35] set by the internet [06:35] Also, your might want to check your router to see if it is doing "SSL Inspection" [06:36] I can check the router. My windows machines and phones aren't having any issues with the routers though [06:36] What is the error in question it presents? Anything involving the certificate at all? [06:37] no error comes up. For example, I can go to amazon.com but when I go to log in the page just won't load [06:38] pretty much anything I have to log into doesn't work [06:38] That's curious. So doesn't load at all, what web browser? [06:38] firefox [06:38] tried Lynx? [06:38] I tried chrome before with the same issue [06:38] I have not [06:38] It's command line, so... *shrug* [06:39] might be worth a shot, I'm pretty clueless as to how that'd be happenning. Lest your OpenSSL is borked or something. [06:39] yeah, it's pretty frustrating [06:41] Hello all, I just installed Kubuntu on top of my windows 8, but when I reboot, it loads straight to windows, instead of giving me the option to choose which operating system I want to load, can some one please help??? === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [06:46] !grub [06:46] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [06:46] Jonathan____: ^^^ [06:53] im here [06:56] !radeon [06:56] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [07:01] can someone please help me??? === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [07:05] hellooooooo, can someone help me???? [07:05] Jonathan____, the person above suggested this: [07:05] !grub [07:05] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [07:05] that doesnt tell me any thing [07:05] Not quite sure, sorry. [07:06] I've got to go, however. [07:06] i did not loose anything [07:06] its a fresh install [07:07] all I need to know is how to make it give me the option to choose which os I want to load! [07:13] Jonathan____: did you look at the !grub info? [07:13] !grub [07:13] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [07:13] it sounds like you might need to repair or restore grub [07:14] that doesnt tell me anything, if you can not tell me what to do then please do not respond [07:14] I am new to this [07:14] i dont know what that means === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [07:17] u have on there "Lost GRUB after installing windows", it was not after installing windows [07:17] windows was already installed, then I installed Kubuntu [07:18] but it just loads to windows [07:18] If i knew what that other stuff meant, I wouldnt be on here asking for help [07:18] I don't understand why it is so hard to find help on here [07:19] if i want to read something I dont understand, I would just pick up a book on the chineese language [07:20] Hi guys :) I have a question for you [07:20] I installed Kubuntu LTS 12.04 [07:20] How I can enable root login??? [07:20] there not going to help you, there just going to ignore you or give you useless information! [07:20] Depa: you don't need to [07:21] see [07:21] Jonathan____: why? [07:21] Depa: use "sudo " to run a command as root, or "sudo -i" to give you a root shell [07:21] the second link, Jonathan____ [07:21] Depa: you should run as root only rarely [07:22] yes I know.... [07:22] such as when installing new software, etc. [07:22] but I want to access with root [07:22] I found [07:22] access what? [07:22] that command: [07:22] "sudo passwd -u root" [07:22] in order to set a password to ROOT account [07:22] ah [07:23] and access with it [07:23] we recommend using sudo instead [07:23] OK... so I'm booting into 13.10, but ONLY able to do so with kernel 13.8 [07:23] Depa: there no point in enabling the root account, you already have root access via sudo [07:23] Depa: True, you can enable the root account, however it is not recommended. [07:23] !sudo [07:23] sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo [07:23] 3.8** [07:24] I know what sudo is and that it is better [07:24] Not sure why or how... but everything just locks up on kernel 3.11, including the installation disc. It seems to be related to my graphics cards. [07:24] Best I could tell, at least. Given the symptoms displayed by the installation disc. [07:25] but I need to use "su -" and enter with ROOT === frogonwheels_ is now known as frogonwheels [07:25] Depa: you don't, just "sudo -i" [07:25] ok, "sudo -i" to open a # terminal [07:25] Depa: What do you want to do that requires the root account? [07:26] is not for me... [07:26] Is for my customer [07:26] I use sudo XD [07:27] #ubuntu [07:27] but my customer want Kubuntu 12.04 [07:27] many people do choose the LTS [07:27] understandable [07:27] Depa: Then tell your customer to use sudo ;) [07:27] please... [07:27] :'( [07:27] I told him to use sudo [07:28] but he have to do a lot of command with root account [07:28] and want to enable that possibility.... [07:28] when I first switched to kubuntu, I also wanted root [07:28] Anyone have an idea about what I can do to get my system booting on 3.11? Not even the 13.10 install disc for kubuntu is working quite right. === hackndoes is now known as Guest40043 [07:28] Depa: and why won't "sudo -i" work for that? [07:28] Is Mir shipped with 13.10? [07:29] Guest40043: not in Kubuntu [07:29] Hmmmmm why is that? [07:29] wayland isn't ready yet either [07:29] tsimpson: with "sudo -i" I get a root shell, right? [07:29] Depa: yes, exactly the same as if you did "su -" [07:29] Depa: Or do what tsimpson said, that is what I do for a root shell. [07:29] Now why is it that sofware management still does not have place/shortcut in "System settings" ? [07:29] kwin is our window manager, and they will use wayland, not mir [07:29] ok... and is not possible to use "su" [07:30] ? [07:30] Depa: sudo su, should do the trick too. [07:30] wow, how come I couldnt get this type of fucking help? [07:30] Depa: by default the root account is disabled, so you can't directly login as root (which is what su does) [07:30] Doesn't Mir replace X Window System? [07:30] Jonathan____: I gave you the links you need-- please look at the second one [07:30] Which Kevin used before? [07:30] ok [07:31] I understand [07:31] thanks... [07:31] EF [07:31] how many times do I have to tell you i can not make heads or tails out of that [07:31] Guest40043: not yet, and unknown whether it ever will on the desktop [07:31] so ROOT never can set hisown password [07:31] XD [07:31] Jonathan____: can you ask about what you don't understand? [07:31] only "user" password will be answered [07:32] request* [07:32] Depa: you can, it's just not needed and only lessens system security [07:32] I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE MY BOOTLOADER GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM I WANT TO LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:32] which is why we don't recommend it [07:32] tsimpson: ok... I understand... [07:32] valorie: I understood it's going to be shipped as one of the bigger changes in 13.10 only limited support to nouveau driver [07:32] Jonathan____: tone down the caps and the attitude now please [07:32] guys, thanks a lot :) [07:33] I will try to explain to my customer :) [07:33] Guest40043: we don't plan to ship Mir [07:33] really thanks [07:33] that could change in the future [07:33] for now, we're going with what works [07:33] I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE MY BOOTLOADER GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM I WANT TO LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:33] thanks, IdleOne [07:34] valorie: Ok. Is there a reason why? [07:34] Guest40043: we keep testing [07:34] Anyone have an idea on the issues I'm having with 3.11 kernel with my radeon cards? [07:34] I DONT UNDERSTAND HOW TO MAKE MY BOOTLOADER GIVE ME THE OPTION TO CHOOSE WHICH OPERATING SYSTEM I WANT TO LOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [07:34] Depa: Good luck explaining this to your client ;) [07:35] valorie: Ok good. So it will probably ship sometime in the future in kubuntu as well? [07:36] we doubt it, but stranger things have happened [07:36] the kwin devels have looked at the code, and chosen wayland [07:36] of course no one can predict the future [07:37] kwin is the KDE window manager, so that is their wheelhouse [07:37] Ok than :) not very ubuntuish though ;) [07:37] not really our choice or not [07:37] mir is focussed on devices [07:37] not desktops [07:38] kubuntu active wasn't released this time around [07:38] Rest of everyone else seems to be sticking with wayland. [07:38] sure [07:38] they are crafting mir for their own needs [07:38] phone/tablet/tv etc. [07:39] valorie: I know. But could be a good replacement non the less [07:39] if it becomes better, I'm sure that the kwin devels will switch [07:39] valorie: any reason why the kubuntu 13.10 install disc would have backgrounds and window contents with random colored pixels all about on a black background, but the boarders of windows look like normal, working KDE? [07:40] this isn't political [07:40] F41L: sounds like the driver for your graphics card [07:40] !radeon [07:40] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [07:40] what I was thinking. [07:40] That's good to know :) [07:40] did that link help before? [07:40] cept it's the install disc. [07:40] No [07:40] :( [07:40] It seems to be with kernel 3.11 [07:41] when I boot to 3.8, works well enough [07:41] I didn't even have AMD drivers installed. [07:41] well, the #ubuntu-kernel folks are really helpful [07:41] I'll give 'em a shot. [07:41] Cause it's not even relegated to graphics [07:41] this isn't really a KDE issue, sounds like [07:41] recovery mode using 3.11 kernel also hangs [07:42] which is all text === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [07:51] Almost considering just falling back to 13.04 :( [07:51] I want to enjoy the speed benefits of 13.10, but it just hates my system. [07:54] no help from the kernel guys? [07:54] :( [07:54] F41L: what speed benifits of 13.10 ? [07:55] I've read a lot about how 13.10 introduces a lot of performance enhancements. [07:55] F41L: where ? [07:55] I was eagar to give them a try. [07:55] in what way does it give performance improvements ? [07:55] Linux Action Show did a review on it as well. [07:55] I don't know as I can't experience it given my issues :D [07:55] I can't even get the install DVD to run properly. [07:56] why don't you just explain your issue clearly. [07:56] I did quite a few times. [07:56] then as I didn't see it, I can't help you. [07:57] the desktop environment refuses to run when trying to run 3.11 kernel. [07:57] It also hangs in recovery mode with that kernel. [07:57] F41L: the install CD only comes with 1 kernel, so how do you know it's a kernel problem [07:57] My system has 3.8 still installed [07:57] the installer does not use that kernel [07:57] so you have no idea if its a kernel problem [07:57] I did the upgrade to 13.10 using command line. [07:58] I assumed it did, giving that 13.10 installs 3.11 kernel. I don't know for sure. But my system has 3.11 and 3.8 [07:58] could you please define "refuses to run" [07:58] black screen, mouse cursor works for a small while then locks up entirely. [07:59] in the installation CD, black screen with randomly colored pixels all over the screen. [07:59] ok, so when the machine locks up totally, if you press the capslock key, does the capslock light go on/off [07:59] However, when hitting alt+f4, it brings up a window prompting if I want to exit the installation. The window boarder looks perfectly normal, but the rectangle containing the contents of the window are black background with randomly colored pixels [08:00] in recovery mode, shortly after loading the menu to select what to do, (this is with 3.11 kernel), it will lock up without any response. [08:00] all except CTRL+ALT+DEL [08:01] so that's not actually locking up then [08:01] which brings up a message about being unable to communicate with the bus or something to that effect [08:01] I forget the exact wording [08:02] so you've tried actually installing with the fail safe graphics option ? [08:02] "Unable to connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus" [08:02] F41L: do you have any USB devices plugged in ? [08:03] I don't know how to do the fail safe graphics option, when I boot to the CD and am presented with this black screen with only a cursor. [08:03] I do, keyboard, mouse. [08:03] F41L: no you not get a boot menu [08:03] eg: try kubuntu, install kubuntu wording to that effect [08:03] options to boot memtest [08:03] I don't get that far [08:03] at that point the kernel has not been booted [08:04] it's not a kernel problem [08:04] the boot menu comes from isolinux [08:04] Or at least, it gets that far, but the screen is black with randomly colored pixels, and a perfectly fine looking KDE mouse cursor [08:04] sorry, that can't be right, as isolinux doesn't have mouse support and there is no X11 running to display a mouse cursor [08:05] the window boarders for dialogs I'm able to make pop up are perfectly fine looking KDE window decorations, with black, random colored pixels as the contents of the window rectangle. [08:05] you need to step back and take action before it boots [08:05] That's what I get when I boot to the Kubuntu installation DVD, I see the little keyboard, equals sign, human figure with a circle. [08:05] Then the black screen with graphical anomalies [08:06] F41L: Could you perhaps make a photo or something? [08:06] As the saying goes a photo says a thousand words. [08:06] Yeah, I can do that. I'd have to reboot however, I'm on the machine currently. (3.8 kernel) [08:07] it seems very odd that you don't get the isolinux boot menu [08:07] don't ask me, man :D [08:07] Just telling it as I observe it. [08:07] be back soonish [08:07] F41L: one moment [08:08] F41L: just to clarify , you ARE booting from the DVD install media, correct ? [08:17] Alright, got the pictures, lemme upload 'em === Jikai is now known as Jikan [08:21] F41L: !paste [08:25] !paste [08:25] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [08:25] F41L: ^ that was what I ment. [08:27] ikonia: yes, booting to dvd install media. [08:27] http://imgur.com/a/PlCsQ === Jikan is now known as Jikai [08:31] that help at all ikonia? [08:32] That looks like isolinux to me. [08:33] with the KDE window decorations and everything? [08:34] Second screen is plymouth, it's past isolinux. Only first is isolinux. [08:35] No idear :( [08:35] But don't know what to do, basically can't install 13.10 on this system with this issue. [08:35] Gonna have to chill with 13.04 [08:36] (well.. reinstall 13.04, cause right now I'm limping along with 13.10 using 3.8.0.19 kernel [08:37] That or see how Manjaro is doing [08:37] * F41L shrug [08:37] Ah wait, nvm. Didn't realize there was more than one image... [08:37] lol [08:40] * F41L lesigh [08:40] my stupid core2 duo box at work installed 13.10 like no issue. [08:41] this far superior machine, falls on it's face [08:43] Well it's quite late, I'll try again tomorrow [08:44] I'm starting to wonder if it is UEFI... [08:49] Hello! I have problems to authorize my kobo touch an adobe digital editions, is anybody out there who could help me? :( [08:58] valorie: Hi again. sorry for nagging :) (was a guest before) but which windowing server is used in 13.10 ? as the client uses wayland right? [08:58] hackndoes_: Xorg. [08:59] so still the x server .... [08:59] kubuntu don't wanna update the server to mir? [09:00] I have another question. when I am using nouveau driver instead of the nvidia propriatary I can't send my pc to sleep. when I wake it up, it doens't response to keyboard events mouse etc. [09:00] it wakes up frozen [09:00] hackndoes_: Kwin doesn't support (X)Mir. === soul is now known as Guest53211 [09:46] hey, how things are going with the upgrade? === jordan is now known as Guest11415 [09:48] chachan: With what upgrade, if I may ask? [09:48] upgrade to 13.10 [09:48] lordievader, ^ [09:49] chachan: Heard that the upgrade went well for quite a bit of people. Saucy is stable anyhow ^^ [09:50] glad to hear so [09:50] chachan: You can allways try out a live-cd/usb to see if/how it works on your pc. [09:51] sure, I already upgraded. Just curious about everybody else :) [09:52] chachan: Ah I see, for me it has been running stable for months ;) [09:52] lordievader, saucy? [09:52] Hi , how to run 32 bit executable in ubuntu 13.10 64 bit if ia32-libs isn't in repos ? [09:52] chachan: Yes. [09:52] lordievader, that's cool [09:53] wissam, I think you need to enable i386 architecture to be able to install i386 packages [09:54] chachan: how to enble it ? [09:54] wissam, sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 # this worked for me, then do something like: apt-get install vim:i386 [09:55] chachan: ok thnx [09:57] i have a problem in kubutu 13.10 and was in 13.04,when copying a directory contains a lot of files to usb system completely freezes [09:57] usb drive is fat32 [09:58] i tried booting with acpi=th,noacpi,noapic,acpi=noirq none of them worked [09:59] booting with acpi=off solve the problem but i can't boot without acpi becasue i am using a laptop [10:00] in dmesg there is something like this :[ 14.536482] ACPI Warning: 0x0000000000000428-0x000000000000042f SystemIO conflicts with Region \PMIO 1 (20130517/utaddress-251) [10:00] wissam, did you try with a different USB drive? [10:00] yes [10:00] I guess it's the same result [10:02] the only solution(untile now maybe laptop will freeze later) was to remount usb in async mode : "mount -o remount,async /dev/sdb1" === kevin is now known as Guest2981 [10:04] sometimes laptop freezes when unplugging charger at random times maybe when watching a video or after enabling and disabling wireless in network manager [10:07] i tried updating bios but that didn't help [10:09] wissam, did you see this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/500069 [10:09] Ubuntu bug 500069 in linux (Ubuntu) "USB file transfer causes system freezes; ops take hours instead of minutes" [High,Incomplete] [10:10] since it's an old bug. Looks like is not solved yet :( [10:10] :( [10:12] wissam, but take a look at it, there's a couple of solutions that some guys did and worked for them. You might be lucky [10:12] ok how to remount every usb plugged in automatically in async mode so that i don't have to write this command every time usb is plugged in "mount -o remount,async /dev/sdb1" [10:21] if it's an old bug ,is it really hard to solve this kind of bugs? i am just asking ,why is it hard to solve this kind of bugs? === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [10:58] wissam, looks like they haven't been able to reproduce the error [10:58] wissam, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB [10:59] wissam, check the "USB 2 Issues" and "Buffer I/O Errors" sections === soul is now known as Guest63025 [11:14] chachan:thank you very much i'll reboot and try it === Pietro is now known as Guest87913 [11:44] hello! === kevin is now known as Guest70369 [12:20] anyone else get the update last night? [12:21] anyone install everything yet? === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [12:28] cornfeedhobo: yup! doing my restricted and extras now [12:30] just rebooted. things looks good! [12:34] :) [12:34] :D [12:34] I want to play with that new kde-connect app [12:35] * jalcine might move his chat to #-offtopic since we aren't helping anyone [12:36] i am just happy updates go so smooth now [12:36] for a second i thought this one included wayland... i was scared for a moment === Jikai is now known as Jikan [12:47] cornfeedhobo: wayland's what you want [12:48] the successor to X [12:48] yeah... but i want to let other people run it for a bit. i dont trust it yet given all the fuss that has go into its creation [12:50] Wayland's been built in the open for quite some time. [12:51] It's Mir that has the speculation due to its obviously focused goals for Unity [12:54] yeah mir is a mess i hear [12:55] and i am excited about wayland, i just want to see what happens first [12:55] Of course. [12:55] Not all of KDE has been ported so I hear and with XWayland, most legacy X apps should run fine. [12:56] I hope that Kubuntu will fork the nvidia driver package when mir is out and always have the latest... (which ubuntu never does.) [12:56] My excitement is for Frameworks andthe opporunities it provides [12:56] someone could look into making a bleeding edge PPA though for drivers that might not be safe [12:57] and with NVidia helping out Nouveau with work nowadays, things should be getting easier. [12:57] which could be the advantages of wayland over X? === Jikan is now known as Jikai [12:58] As far as I know, Nouveau's a *X-only* driver. I don't know/think it'd be ported or converted for Wayland. [13:01] jalcine: latest beta has start of EGL support. [13:01] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-amd64-331.13-driver.html [13:02] I already run a PPA with the latest Nividia driver.... [13:02] I don't use X-SWAT as previously that has totalled systems (as it has far more than just the nvidia driver - i.e newer Xorg versions , etc) [13:03] I just wish by default there was an option to get the latest version of the driver.... [13:03] By not having the latest it is no more stabv [13:03] *stable* it is less stable as there are bug fixes in the later versions... [13:04] The mir split could be a good time to make the change... [13:08] yossarianuk: that's something to note, thanks! [13:09] I use Intel drivers all 'round, but that's info to convince my gamedev friends to come about [13:11] YES! kdeconnect-kde in the repos (good work smartboyhw!) [13:16] hello everyone. can anyone tell me with which kde version does 13.10 come? [13:18] hackndoes: i'll be able to tell you in a few hours, after i've finished the upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 :) [13:18] :) [13:19] if I had updated my kde from the kde backports before and now upgraded to 13.10 does it install the 13.10 version over the backports version or leaves the version that was installed? [13:20] hackndoes: my wild guess is it'll install whichever is newest [13:20] hackndoes: the 13.10 version since it disables your PPAs. However, that version of KDE would be 4.11.2 [13:21] thingol_: oh OK [13:21] thanks [13:21] so installing the PPA version would only provide you with a 4.11.2+gitXXYYWWW [13:21]