[00:00] <Prasad> so can the end users start to expect Ubuntu custom ROMs eventually? ;)
[00:00] <fishscene> Not bad. Not bad at all. I spoke with some guy at a cartoys store (cartoys.com) who hadn't heard of ubuntu at all. I filled him in.
[00:00] <fishscene> custom ROM's?
[00:00] <mado> nice fishscene :)
[00:00] <Prasad> like android custom roms... cm/aokp/pa(aospa)
[00:01] <BOOSE> this ubuntu release does not work for Verizon Galaxy Nexus?
[00:03] <Prasad> thanks guys... I'm off
[00:03] <fishscene> I found the screen flashing problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1238695
[00:05] <mado> fishscene: and others ... do you happen to know if one will need an anti-virus software on the mobile device then too?
[00:05] <mado> after all ... one thing that kept me a bit away from modern phones is that i heard you can get viruses on them now too
[00:06] <mado> and i'm talking about Android, iOS, Windows, etc phones here
[00:06] <iruletheworld> not really many virues as long as you stay away from applications that are installed from anywhere other than the play store
[00:06] <moppy> android has a bit of malware, sure
[00:06] <iruletheworld> and if you are really worried, there are antiviruses that you can install
[00:07] <moppy> even the play store has malware apps, they aren't that strong abotu curating it, but they do remove stuff once it's reported
[00:07] <iruletheworld> thats probably true, ive never run into it,
[00:07] <moppy> i dont know why iOS has no malware problem. i know windows doesnt becyase no-one has windows phone
[00:08] <fishscene> Apple is a lot stricter with their appstore.
[00:08] <iruletheworld> ios has no problems because apple has a much better control of the os
[00:08] <moppy> iruletheworld: there's a lot of people who repack a popular app, change the name, and push it to the store with added payload.
[00:08] <iruletheworld> well TIL///
[00:08] <fishscene> o/
[00:09] <moppy> o7
[00:10] <iruletheworld> I have a sprint galxy nexus, hopefully it isnt too long before touch gets ported
[00:10] <mado> well like i said ... i don't have a modern phone yet ... maybe i will really wait until April / May 2014
[00:11] <iruletheworld> do you have in mind?
[00:11] <BOOSE> can someone confirm that Ubuntu will not run on Verizon branded Galaxy Nexus?
[00:11] <BOOSE> or rather, the phone won't work
[00:12] <iruletheworld> ... I wish i could. Ive got sprint
[00:13] <challach_> i read they have a bootloader lock or something
[00:14] <iruletheworld> The galaxy nexus?
[00:14] <mado> another question if i may ... does anyone of you know whom of Canonical to contact regarding additional questions about the phone?
[00:14] <challach_> the verizon branded
[00:15] <fishscene> mado: No idea. But you are welcome to ask here - maybe someone is still awake and can answer. (It's pretty late for many of the developers though)
[00:15] <iruletheworld> http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/05/how-to-unlock-the-galaxy-nexus-bootloader/
[00:15] <mado> hmmm ... do you know where those folks work?
[00:15] <iruletheworld> nope! unlocked bootloader
[00:15] <mado> somewhere in the UK?
[00:16] <fishscene> mado: I have no idea really. I just know that around noon (GMT −8), there was a lot of activity in here.
[00:16] <RAOF> mado: What sort of questions.
[00:17] <BOOSE> yes, I've already unlocked my bootloader
[00:17] <BOOSE> but I've read on some blogs that it only supports GSM phones, and Verizon is CDMA so....
[00:18] <mado> well RAOF ... i'd have to check with my family on that too ... they have a few questions but they're not here right now ... ... ... one i thought of is ... Will there be a phone that allows you to use two sim cards simultanously?
[00:18] <mado> that would be great!
[00:19] <fishscene> mado: The phone's hardware would have to support 2 sim cards. That might be more of a carrier question.
[00:20] <RAOF> mado: We're not building phones (unless we decide to try another Ubuntu Edge campagin, or something); if you can find a dual-sim Android phone I don't think it would be any more hard to port Ubuntu Touch to it than any other phone.
[00:20] <fishscene> Canonical is making the OS, it's up to the manufacturers and carriers to bring the hardware to market.
[00:20] <iruletheworld> I think that right now the GSM phones are officially supported but people are working on porting it over to cdma
[00:21] <mado> i see ... well i know of a few dual-sim android phones ... i just haven't really found a phone yet where both cards really work simulatanously
[00:21] <iruletheworld> they already have a version that runs, but its wifi only
[00:22] <kureno> anyone know if anyone is working on porting for non nexus devices?
[00:22] <fishscene> kureno: Check this out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[00:22] <iruletheworld> Also, check the xda-developers fourm for your phone
[00:22] <iruletheworld> lots of helpful devs over there
[00:23] <mado> and talking about the edge RAOF ... weren't the roughly 12 millions enough to star the production of a few phones? ...
[00:24] <mado> plus why end the campaign so soon? ... if it would have run till let's say christmas or so ... the money would surely have come
[00:25] <mado> also ... did Canonical try and contact mobile phone providers of various countries? ... i'm sure they would have loved it to have such a great phone like the Edge in their store/s
[00:26] <kureno> iruletheworld, yea I checked the forum and asked some people that made a port of the dev preview but non have replied.
[00:26] <kureno> I'm using 7100 (note2) btw if anyone here have gotten it to work.
[00:27] <iruletheworld> Just give it time. It is only the first day its out
[00:27] <iruletheworld> =)
[00:29] <fishscene> Well folks, I have to head out. Enjoy your day/evening!
[00:30] <kureno> iruletheworld, Problem is when I want something I want it bad, like really bad. XD
[00:30] <csmart> hmm.. bluetooth still not usable? :-(
[00:31] <iruletheworld> haha well.... lets think... how bad do you want it?
[00:31] <RAOF> mado: Manufacturing doesn't work like that; if it costs $32M to build 30,000 phones, it *doesn't* cost $12M to build 10,000 phones.
[00:33] <mado> i see RAOF ...
[00:33] <csmart> mado: they aren't stupid, of course Canonical looked into every possible option to get the Edge to market..
[00:34] <mado> you see i thought if the production started in smaller numbers at first and Canonical would give it to regular people and some mobile phone network providers (which they then put in their store to advertise)
[00:34] <RAOF> It probably costs more than $12M to produce *one* phone
[00:34] <mado> Canonical would make money quickly again :) ... especially when people hear it's cheaper than an iphone but has better specs
[00:35] <RAOF> But I'm not in any way familiar with the details ofo the Edge campaign.
[00:37] <mado> i still hope of course something like the Edge will be possible in the future ...
[00:37] <RAOF> It'd be pretty awesome.
[00:37] <mado> and when that phone comes with a dual-sim-feature i'd love it even more :)
[00:37] <mado> note: it'd be important to use both cards simulatanously
[00:38] <kureno> iruletheworld, bad enough to go from never touched android development to read the shit out of it until my head almost exploded so now I have a darn headache
[00:39] <iruletheworld> kuerno, lol i go through stages like that. then i realize that its alot of work what these guys do and im in way over my head.
[00:39] <mado> RAOF: it's great Canonical would have gotten 12 millions ... it's a shame though it wasn't more ... if they started it again ... i'd ask them for a training and i'd drive around the whole country and showed the thing to every company i come across
[00:39] <Lnxmad> Hello!!
[00:40] <mado> i'd even stop by at parliaments :D
[00:40] <mado> politicians should be rich, right? :D
[00:41] <thecrucible> hi guys
[00:42] <mado> one more thing what i don't really understand though is ... why does a phone need to look "pretty" or something? ...
[00:42] <mado> it's just a tool
[00:42] <thecrucible> how long does it take after autodeploy.zip for the phone to boot into ubuntu
[00:42] <thecrucible> I have manually flashed recovery, boot and system files for my N4
[00:43] <thecrucible> pushed the zip to sdcard as autodeploy
[00:43] <thecrucible> but now stuck at google logo
[00:43] <mado> and one more thing i'd love to see RAOF ... it's optional though ... being able to use a pen on the phone :)
[00:43] <kureno> iruletheworld, yea get the same feeling, I read page after page of text and code and I'm like "processing please wait.... Brain.exe   is not responding
[00:44] <mado> thecrucible: ? ... is this you WR?
[00:44] <thecrucible> nope
[00:44] <thecrucible> not wr
[00:44] <thecrucible> GJ
[00:44] <iruletheworld> kereno, sudo shutdown - r now lol
[00:44] <thecrucible> :D
[00:44] <benkaiser> Did ubuntu touch 13.10 release with wifi hotspot support? So i can share my 3g connection over wifi? This is the most critical android feature for me as my phone is my only source of internet for my other devices
[00:45] <mado> ok ... thought you were the guy from the band ii met some time ago ... who by the way will come to "my" town tomorow
[00:45] <mado> my bad then thecrucible
[00:45] <thecrucible> no prob, mado
[00:46] <kureno> iruletheworld, sudo pkill -u kureno
[00:46] <kureno> then let cool down before reboot :p
[00:46] <mado> one more general question for all of you ... you have seen what i'd like in a phone ... i wonder ... can you make any suggestions to me as to what i should get?
[00:46] <mado> kureno: putting it in the fridge? (just kidding)
[00:46] <iruletheworld> note III
[00:46] <kureno> ^
[00:47] <kureno> got a note II with most note III feature's and love  it :p Though I want ubuntu touch dual booted xD
[00:48] <iruletheworld> if you dont mind the large screen size that is. Thats what im going to get when my gnex dies.
[00:48] <iruletheworld> do you think the watch is worth the extra money?
[00:48] <kureno> the screen since grow's on you :p
[00:48] <kureno> nah
[00:48] <mado> sooo you would suggest a Note II or Note III then kureno ?
[00:48] <benkaiser> Wait out for the nexus 5. Not long now till its released
[00:49] <kureno> maybe if you sit on meetings and don't want to throw up your phone or just subtly check sms in school
[00:49] <mado> benkaiser: do you mean me?
[00:49] <benkaiser> Yehp mado
[00:50] <benkaiser> Ubuntu touch will support it i am pretty sure...
[00:50] <mado> how so?
[00:50] <kureno> mado well I have not tried the Note 3 but if I didn't have another year of contract on my phone I would def go for the N3.
[00:51] <iruletheworld> kureno, thats what your google glass is for! so you dont have to pull out your phone
[00:51] <mado> i see kureno
[00:51] <benkaiser> They supported the GNex, the nexus4 and the nexus5 is next in line before they ship an ubuntu phone next year
[00:51] <mado> why did you two suggest those two phones?
[00:52] <mado> according to some website i just found benkaiser ... nexus 5 only has 2 gb of ram ... doesn't sound much but what do i know? :)
[00:52] <kureno> I would never buy a LG product, not even with the nexus brand on it :p
[00:52] <mhall119> I don't think there are plans to officially support the Nexus 5
[00:53] <benkaiser> Nexus5 is gonna be a beast (like the note 3 is) but it wont run touchwiz (touchwiz is horrible). Note3 has 2gb of ram doesn't it?
[00:53] <mado> oh yah ... one more thing for Canonical ...
[00:53] <benkaiser> Thanks for clearing that up mhall119
[00:53] <mado> i'd love to see a battery in your phone that can easily be replaced with another one :)
[00:53] <benkaiser> True. I had a note 1 and that was the best thing about it.
[00:53] <mado> i found it hilarious and stupid that you can't replace your battery in some new phones now
[00:53] <kureno> Note 3 have 3 gigs of ram
[00:54] <mhall119> mado: we won't be making our own phones any time soon, so we'll be working with an OEM to get Ubuntu on their devices
[00:54] <kureno> and the 4.3 touchwiz is actually a lot better.
[00:54] <benkaiser> Okay, fair enough. But ram doesnt matter too much for a mobile os. I dont think i have ever hit 3gb used on my android.
[00:55] <mado> well ... like i said before ... i'd ride around in the country and tell every company i come across about the Ubuntu phone ... am sure i can find backers so it will be built *laughing*
[00:55] <kureno> the more apps you multitask between the more ram you want
[00:55] <benkaiser> kureno, touchwiz just looks abysmal compared to stock
[00:55] <kureno> but touchwiz have a ton of feature's compared to stock's plain features :p
[00:55] <mado> benkaiser: i was just saying that because i think of computers ... they're not that good when they only have 2gb of ram
[00:56] <benkaiser> But you would have to be multitasking between like 5 high-end games to use 3gb
[00:56] <ricmm> not really
[00:56] <mado> but like i said ... what do i know? ... looks like you can't replace your battery in the nexus 5 benkaiser
[00:56] <benkaiser> mado: until you are running a full desktop and doing the exact same things as your desktop on your phone, dont compare the ram.
[00:56] <mado> aaand mhall119 are you working for Canonical?
[00:56] <mhall119> yes
[00:57] <ricmm> even applications can take such reaources with the current toolkits and ever improving graphics
[00:57] <mado> oh nice ... there's one! ... i found one ... quick! :D
[00:57] <mado> mhall119 naaah ... seriously now ... i'm glad you are here ...
[00:57] <benkaiser> Yeh reolaceable battery lack sucks. But if your really worried, you could buy like 2 nexus 4's (and maybe nexus 5s) for the price of 1 note 3
[00:57]  * mhall119 is always here :)
[00:57] <ricmm> however on a mobile environment the application model is a lot different than on desktop
[00:57] <benkaiser> Or get an external charge pack
[00:57] <ricmm> so you cn do tighter resource control
[00:58] <ricmm> and be ble to multitask many apps
[00:58] <mado> and i don't want to sound rude or something but ... do you have any idea why i didn't receive any email back from you (Canonical) ?
[00:58] <kureno> also just check the feature's the note 3 have: Floating windows, multi windows, and you can even run 2 instances of the same app at once: (watch two youtube clipps at once for example or even 3 I don't tested that though)
[00:58] <mhall119> mado: who did you email and what did you email about?
[00:59] <mado> well ... my dad and i sent a email ... topic was "Edge" for instance
[00:59] <benkaiser> kureno: yes, but wouldn't you run a custom rom anyway? Or are you not into that?
[01:00] <mhall119> mado: unless you sent it to me, that's not enough for me to go on
[01:00] <benkaiser> Hey mhall119, dont suppose you know if ubuntu touch has wifi AP (a.k.a mobile hotspot)?
[01:01] <mado> also ... i tried contacting your main office and asked if you were hiring ... i'm looking for a job ... preferably one iin which i can learn some more stuff ... ... preferably in the field of office-work or programming / design
[01:01] <mhall119> benkaiser: I'm going to say "in theory, yes", but we don't provide any kind of GUI or simple way of doing it
[01:01] <mhall119> I mean, it's the same Ubuntu under the hood, so I'm sure you can do it if you know the commands
[01:02] <mhall119> mado: most of us don't work in any office, let alone "the" office
[01:02] <mhall119> mado: your best starting point is http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/careers
[01:02] <mhall119> there you can find a list of current openings and apply for them
[01:02] <benkaiser> mhall119 does that mean there is room for a third-party to make the gui?
[01:03] <Eragogz> Hi
[01:03] <mado> thanks mhall119 :)
[01:03] <mhall119> I'd also *strongly* encourage you to become involved in the Ubuntu community, not only will it show hiring managers what you can do, but it also lets you meet those hiring managers ahead of time
[01:03] <kureno> benkaiser, I run all kind of rom's. Test new once all the time but modified stock touchwiz have a lot better battery life than any AOSP/AOKP/CM rom's
[01:03] <ricmm> benkaiser any contribution is most welcome
[01:04] <kureno> also no touchwiz = why get a note in the first place?
[01:04] <mhall119> benkaiser: for a 3rd party to do that is going to require some extra security access that normal apps won't get, so I'd suggest that if you're interested in building such a thing you work with the phablet and security teams on it
[01:04] <mhall119> phablet team uses this channel, security is in #ubuntu-hardened
[01:05] <benkaiser> kureno yeh so get a nexus because custom rom batteries last the same as stock on them? I think it's something to do with samsung not releasing their kernel source code
[01:06] <kureno> yea and the touchwiz also drains minimal battery since it's optimized for the samsung hardware but samsung doesn't release documentation's of the mali drivers I think
[01:06] <kureno> they do release documentations of kernel's I think
[01:07] <benkaiser> mhall119: thanks for the advice. Sounds like too big a job. Is wifi AP in the pipeline? I would consider it a core feature of both android and iOS
[01:07] <mhall119> benkaiser: it's probably in the "nice to have" pile currently, there's still a lot of higher priority ones
[01:07] <lucenut> OK, I am stumped. Trying to install Flash Player on touch.
[01:08] <RAOF> lucenut: You can't.
[01:08] <lucenut> Huh?
[01:08] <benkaiser> Okay kureno, so you go with samsung because you can handle touchwiz and i go with the nexus range now because i love always running a custom rom
[01:08] <lucenut> The browser won't do flash?
[01:08] <RAOF> lucenut: Correct.
[01:08] <lucenut> That's amazingly bad.
[01:08] <RAOF> lucenut: This would be more of a problem if you *could* install flash for the Android, iOS, and WP8 browsers.
[01:09] <benkaiser> mhall119 is this pile listed somewhere? Or are those sorts of things going to be decided at the next vUDS?
[01:09] <lucenut> My droid will play flash videos.
[01:09] <mhall119> benkaiser: in the backs of people's minds right now, but yes they will be discussed and planned next vUDS
[01:09] <lucenut> Is there some other way to use youtube without a "flash player"?
[01:09] <mhall119> html5 video?
[01:10] <RAOF> lucenut: Yes; the mobile site.
[01:10] <RAOF> And html5 video, of course.
[01:10] <benkaiser> Okay mhall119, i might drop into the next vUDS then and see if i can drop some comment in the irc channel when the time is right
[01:11] <mhall119> benkaiser: you join the video hangout too if it's something you're really interested in and want to talk about it live
[01:12] <lucenut> OK, on the touch I type "https://m.youtube.com" and it bounces me to www.youtube.com
[01:13] <lucenut> Actually www.youtube.com/?app=desktop
[01:14]  * mhall119 is watching the last ubuntuonair video on youtube on my N4 right now
[01:14] <challach_> http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/10/17/breaking-nexus-5-partially-visible-in-the-play-store-ahead-of-release/
[01:15] <benkaiser> mhall119, i wont be old enough (I'm 17 and g+ hangouts doesn't let me join live hangouts till I'm 18 in May)
[01:15] <mhall119> oh, darn, hate that restriction
[01:16] <kureno> lol you can't use hangout's until you are 18?
[01:16] <mhall119> yeah, it's a google restriction
[01:17] <benkaiser> Yeh and it sucks.
[01:17] <kureno> falsify your age?
[01:18] <benkaiser> kureno, i could... But i feel really awkward about creating another google account just for six months so i can lie about my age
[01:18] <mado> i don't know what that is ... but play along the rules ...
[01:18] <mado> and you'll see ... obedience will pay off
[01:19] <kureno> kinda feel's like those silly  age blocking on game website's where you have to state your age before you can visit the main site
[01:19] <kureno> I'm 22 And I never use my real age when filling those xD
[01:19] <godofgrunts> mado: "Obedience will pay off" Lol
[01:20] <mado> that is silly sometimes, yes kureno
[01:20] <mado> i find it odd that it sometimes affects websites that allow you to download patches for regular normal games :)
[01:20] <kureno> I just press the "year of birth" and scroll down to last option :p
[01:20] <kureno> facebook think's I'm 106 years or something like that XD
[01:20] <mado> kureno: ooooh so it's YOU who does that *laughing a bit*
[01:21] <benkaiser> Ahaha that is hilarious kureno
[01:21] <mado> what would you do if you were actually older?
[01:21] <mado> :D
[01:21] <mado> godofgrunts: it does ... no need to laugh there
[01:21] <kureno> yea I tried to set my birth back in 1800 but facebook didn't have that option :/
[01:21] <godofgrunts> mado:  I mean, I don't know how old you are, but in my 23 years experience, that is not true
[01:21] <mado> : )
[01:22] <benkaiser> mado: i think if you are that old, you probably didn't get there by wanting to use Facebook
[01:22] <mado> : )
[01:23] <benkaiser> Hey mhall119, has canonical ever employed any programmers under the age of 18?
[01:23] <kureno> Waiting for stuff isn't my thing :p Life is short and you never know when you die from an accident.
[01:23] <mado> benkaiser: ... they should give both of us a job :D
[01:24] <mado> wasn't meant cheeky or rude ... just thinking that it'd be nice ... plus ... in my case ... they don't really need to pay me very much
[01:25] <mado> because i don't know that much yet for instance
[01:25] <mado> but i'm willing to learn
[01:26] <mado> unfortunately some companies think that doesn't count any more (not saying Canonical thinks that way but other companies where i applied)
[01:28] <mhall119> benkaiser: yes
[01:28] <benkaiser> I already have a fair bit of experience mado, been a programmee for the last two years, about to graduate a bachelor of technology and been working on different linux distros as my main desktop for the past year. Plus Canonical is in the UK and my girlfriend is going to the UK for nine months next year... They fit together quite well...
[01:28] <benkaiser> Thanks mhall119
[01:29] <mado> benkaiser: i see :)
[01:29] <mado> well i'd love to study as well but i don't have any money for that : (
[01:29] <lucenut> OK, if I go to a website that has an embedded youtube video, it plays nicely.
[01:30] <lucenut> But I can't go to m.youtube.com
[01:30] <mhall119> mado: benkaiser: remember that just about everything we do is open and we work with people in the community all the time. there's plenty of opportunity to learn whatever you want at not cost other than time
[01:30] <kureno> anyone else thing it's weird that even stock android use more ram than some linux distros?
[01:31] <Kirkkaf13> Has anyone tried Ubuntu Touch on any other device than Nexus 4?
[01:31] <lucenut> I have it on Nexus 10
[01:31] <mado> mhall119 : )
[01:31] <lucenut> But I can't get the youtube site to work.
[01:32] <Kirkkaf13> I have an galaxy S3 I would like to try.
[01:32] <paulo__> hello
[01:32] <mado> still ... reading some of the things you or other companies write in their requirements-list ... sometimes this sounds like you want people that are as young as just hopped out of the egg with the knowledge of a 30 or 40 year old
[01:33] <benkaiser> I put it on my galaxy note 1. It was pretty laggy at the time (Early days)
[01:33] <paulo__> is there anyone here who can walk me through setting my apn
[01:34] <Kirkkaf13> I understand it may have some issues due to being an early release but I would like to develope an app and would only use it for a test device.
[01:34] <mhall119> mado: in my experience, age doesn't matter nearly as much as ambition when it comes to acquiring knowledge
[01:34] <benkaiser> mhall119, thanks, i might consider jumping in to ubuntu touch development and getting the wifi ap stuff working  in my summer holidays (december-march)
[01:35] <mhall119> the guy we hired who was under 18 was about half my age, and easily knew twice as much as I did
[01:35] <paulo__> i have been screwing around for hours trying to put in my apn, with terminal
[01:35] <mado> mhall119 thank you for saying that
[01:35] <kureno> anyone seen any video of the stable 13.10 touch running?
[01:35] <mado> sounds encouraging too
[01:35] <paulo__> anyone know how to do the apn settings
[01:35] <benkaiser> Kirkkaf13 then you should be set to test on any device that has a build for it (check the porting lists)
[01:35] <mhall119> mado: always happy to encourage :)
[01:37] <Kirkkaf13> benkaiser Where can I locate the porting lists?
[01:37] <mado> it's a pity you don't have open positions for people who want to learn from people already working for the company
[01:37] <benkaiser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices here you go Kirkkaf13
[01:37] <mado> apprentice-positions or what they're called
[01:37] <Kirkkaf13> Thank you.
[01:38] <paulo__> i have it running, just can't connect to my network
[01:38] <mhall119> mado: we call it community :)
[01:38] <mado> : )
[01:38] <mhall119> mado: it's not a paid position, but you get to learn from people doing it, at your own time and your own pace
[01:38] <benkaiser> mhall119 good call :)
[01:38] <paulo__> no one here has an idea about how to set the apn settings
[01:39] <mhall119> mado: I was involved in the community for years before I was hired by Canonical
[01:39] <benkaiser> paulo__ sorry i dont have a clue
[01:39] <kureno> paulo__, what device are you using?
[01:39] <mhall119> not only will it help you learn, but you'll meet people and make friends that will extend beyond the software
[01:39] <paulo__> galaxy nexus
[01:39] <mado> yes ... and true ... may i ask what were doing for a living before you got hired by them?
[01:39] <mhall119> mado: I did internal website development for a variety of comapnies
[01:40] <mado> and what community did you attend? ... your own countries c. or some other one?
[01:40] <benkaiser> mhall119 sounds just like what I do atm
[01:40] <mado> mhall119 i see
[01:40] <mhall119> mado: my LoCo team got me started, but then I joined the rest of the Ubuntu community with a focus on community-driven web development
[01:40] <mhall119> I worked on loco.ubuntu.com and summit.ubuntu.com heavily
[01:40] <mhall119> and ran some local events for the Ubuntu Florida team
[01:41] <kureno> paulo__,  go to network/wifi and scroll all the way down until "unlock sim"
[01:41] <benkaiser> Anyway i must be off. Got study to do. Catch
[01:41] <mhall119> by benonsoftware
[01:41] <mhall119> gah, tab-complete-fail
[01:42] <lucenut> Can someone explain to me how to use youtube on touch?
[01:42] <mhall119> lucenut: you can't just go to youtube.com?
[01:42] <lucenut> I have a youtube vid embedded in a website plays nice.
[01:42] <mado> mhall119 ... interesting ... ... the only thing i can think of that i can help you with at the moment is translating stuff from English to German or German to English (as i can speak both languages) ... ... but i'm sure so can benkaiser :) ... ... his name at least sounds German to me but i can be wrong ;) ... the other thing i sort of can help out is with presenting you how my family and...
[01:43] <mado> ...friends and other people react to ubuntu (you must know here ... my parents can't use the computer very much)
[01:43] <lucenut> Nope. It says I don't have flash player installed when I go to youtube.com
[01:43] <paulo__> dont see anything there about unlock sim
[01:44] <mhall119> lucenut: seems to work for some videos, not for others
[01:44] <mhall119> youtube.com/ubuntuonair videos seem to work
[01:44] <kureno> paulo__, do you normaly have pin code?
[01:44] <kureno> when you are on android do you have to enter the pin every time you boot?
[01:46] <paulo__> no, i spent about two hours with someone walking me through the terminal commands to modify the gprs file
[01:47] <paulo__> at the end, it won't let me save
[01:47] <paulo__> using nano
[01:47] <kureno> paulo__, http://fcns.eu/2013/07/26/ubuntu-touch-unlock-change-reset-pin/
[01:47] <paulo__> can i manually drill down into the os system with
[01:47] <kureno> this was all I could find
[01:47] <athairus> just flashed tonight's build onto my galaxy nexus, and got this in my dmesg: [  228.307556] init: ofono main process (2476) terminated with status 1
[01:47] <paulo__> what is the pin for
[01:47] <kureno> pincode on your sim card if you have one
[01:48] <athairus> the screen's black, what did I do wrong? Is there some special order I'm supposed to flash these things in?
[01:48] <paulo__> I don't have a pin
[01:48] <paulo__> I am in nano right now and try9ing to save the modified gprs file
[01:48] <paulo__> it won't let me save
[01:49] <paulo__> it is giving me options for dos format
[01:49] <paulo__> mac format
[01:49] <paulo__> append
[01:49] <paulo__> prepend
[01:49] <paulo__> back up file
[01:49] <mado> maybe you need more priviledges paulo__ ?
[01:49] <paulo__> I sudo to read write
[01:49] <paulo__> can i get to this file through the computer
[01:49] <kureno> hmm *continue
[01:49] <paulo__> vs. a terminal command
[01:50] <lucenut> Some youtube videos on the full site just play the audio for me.
[01:50] <kureno> I google some more
[01:50] <athairus> if I flash my galaxy nexus with phablet-flash, will my SD card get wiped?
[01:52] <kureno> paulo__, if you go to wifi/network and scroll down and enter "cellular settings" what options do you get?
[01:52] <paulo__> there is an option for manual, but you can't select it
[01:53] <kureno> is there no other options?
[01:53] <paulo__> before i did it in terminal and i got some pretty detailed instruction on how
[01:54] <paulo__> everything went fine and I was able to edit the gprs file, using nano in terminal.  at the end though, it won't let me save it
[01:54] <paulo__> there is auto and manual
[01:54] <paulo__> auto is checked
[01:54] <kureno> hmm
[01:54] <paulo__> manual is greyed out
[01:55] <godofgrunts> Anyone know the sudo password?
[01:55] <godofgrunts> nvm
[01:55] <godofgrunts> It's phablet
[01:55] <godofgrunts> in case anyone cares
[01:55] <kureno> paulo__, is your phone CDMA or GSM?
[01:56] <paulo__> gsm
[01:56] <kureno> paulo__, https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[01:57] <kureno> that guide should help you get working 3G with data
[02:00] <paulo__> hpsa is supposed to be working
[02:00] <mado> ok ... i'm sorry but i have to leave now ... it was nice seeing all of you people :)
[02:00] <mado> thanks mhall119 for some input
[02:00] <paulo__> I don't need to trick it, i am using straight talk, I just need to input my apm
[02:00] <paulo__> apn
[02:00] <advx> Hi Good Morning All
[02:00] <mado> GOD loves you all
[02:09] <pauloch8> can I have dual boot with android and ubuntu-touch?
[02:10] <Bio615> depending on the device, its unofficial but yes
[02:10] <pauloch8> does exist a tutorial to dual boot?
[02:11] <Guest48825> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1232350
[02:12] <paulo__> ok, so no one knows how to manually set the apn?
[02:16] <godofgrunts> Anybody tried to ssh into their Touch yet?
[02:17] <godofgrunts> I keep getting "port 22: Connection refused"
[02:17] <Bio615> i haven't gotten it installed yet
[02:17] <Bio615> but when I do I'll try
[02:18] <Guest48825> mhall119: How to screenshot? xD
[02:20] <godofgrunts> FYI
[02:20] <godofgrunts> I had to run sudo start ssh
[02:20] <godofgrunts> before it would let me connect
[02:21] <godofgrunts> even though ps says that phablet is running it
[02:21] <Guest48825> godofgrunts: sudo su
[02:21] <dgonyeo> how does one connect to a protected wifi network? I select the network but it doesn't prompt me for the credentials and it's no longer selected when I navigate away from and back to the setting
[02:21] <Guest48825> password: phablet
[02:22] <godofgrunts> Guest48825: Yeah I got that a long time ago
[02:22] <godofgrunts> Guest48825: but thanks
[02:24] <Guest48825> New Bug in Google+ App
[02:24] <Guest48825> https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1241299
[02:24] <godofgrunts> Ooh, firefox is in apt for arm
[02:24] <godofgrunts> neat
[02:24] <RobbyF> Guest48825, I know if you hit the back button it will go to the google + page
[02:25] <RobbyF> make sure your visting the mobile site too
[02:30] <rbelem> hi all
[02:31] <rbelem> is there any effort to port open source n9 applications to ubuntu?
[02:31] <rbelem> i was thinking about http://openwhatsapp.org/develop/
[02:31] <rbelem> and https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/meespot/source/9d276ba1847134152f365c3402ec081b228d5b67:
[02:31] <benffff> am i wrong or can i simply flash ubuntu phone images the exact same way i can flash android roms? where can I download the .img files? sorry for stupid question
[02:32] <Bio615> I'm unsure, I've seen somewhere you can flash the preinstalled images through a custom recovery
[02:32] <advx> bye 4 now
[02:32] <advx> exit
[02:32] <rbelem> benffff, yup
[02:32] <Bio615> I'm getting ready to try it now, if you want to wait and see if I blow my phone up
[02:33] <Bio615> (after a nandroid ofc) :3
[02:33] <rbelem> benffff, the installing link has the instructions
[02:33] <rbelem> benffff, in the bottom
[02:33] <Guest48825> RobbyF:  If settled, opening the application again, let those notes to take them into account.
[02:34] <benffff> im afraid im on windows
[02:34] <benffff> so i cant use the repository
[02:34] <dgonyeo> my wifi network requires a username and a password, how might one use nmcli to connect to this?
[02:35]  * rbelem assumes noone started working on openwhatsapp and meespot
[02:35] <Guest48825> rbelem: WhatsApp for UbuntuTOuch? :D
[02:35] <rbelem> Guest48825, maybe
[02:36] <rbelem> Guest48825, I will try to get it working now if anybody already got it working
[02:36] <Guest48825> rbelem:  In the afternoon was reviewing a project, but did not see very advanced.
[02:36] <Guest48825> rbelem:  If desired, pass the application and I try jhosman@ubuntu.com
[02:37] <benffff> is there simply a .img file i can copy to my phone and flash from my custom recovery?
[02:37] <rbelem> Guest48825, http://openwhatsapp.org/develop/
[02:37] <rbelem> Guest48825, i will try to get it running here
[02:38] <rbelem> benffff, yes
[02:38] <Guest48825> rbelem:  how to install?
[02:38] <rbelem> benffff, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[02:38] <benffff> im sure im being very slow.. but i cant find the link on that page
[02:38] <Guest48825> I'm a nexus 4
[02:38] <rbelem> benffff, hum...
[02:38] <rbelem> benffff, one sec
[02:39] <benffff> sorry its here right http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[02:39] <rbelem> Guest48825, i will built it and then try to run on my nexus 4
[02:40] <rbelem> benffff, no worries
[02:40] <Guest48825> rbelem:  Please let me know!
[02:40] <thecrucible> hey guys i have been trying to manually flash ubuntu touch on my N4 but no luck
[02:40] <rbelem> Guest48825, oki
[02:40] <thecrucible> I have been getting the message
[02:41] <thecrucible> E: Can't open /cache /recovery/ubuntu_command Can't find autodeploy.zip
[02:41] <RobbyF> mhall119, what dictates the infographic on the login/lock screen?
[02:41] <RobbyF> most of the time it does photos, but I've seen sms, and phone calls
[02:43] <omac> I just read ubuntu-touch supports gsm. in Canada fido has gsm/ edge, but it's costly and there are no unlimited mobile data offerings for it.   I hope there are plans in the works for wsa1/ lte in Ubuntu touch otherwise there is no ability to use lg nexus 4 in Canada with Ubuntu touch.
[02:43] <rbelem> thecrucible, are you following the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ?
[02:43] <RobbyF> omac, I use nexus 4 ubuntu touch in Canada
[02:43] <thecrucible> rbelem, yep
[02:43] <rbelem> omac, no lte for ubuntu touch for now
[02:44] <omac> what's your provider?
[02:44] <RobbyF> Rogers/Fido
[02:44] <RobbyF> There the same provider
[02:45] <thecrucible> rbelem, even flashed back to stock and back again
[02:45] <rbelem> omac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[02:45] <spindley> are you guys flashing devel channel, or just stable?
[02:45] <spindley> (just curious)
[02:45] <RobbyF> I did devel
[02:45] <rbelem> thecrucible, :-/
[02:45] <spindley> RobbyF: daily OTA updates that way?
[02:46] <bray90820> What is the most current version of ubuntu touch for the Tmobile Galaxy S3
[02:46] <spindley> stable i'd assume would be an update every couple weeks or so
[02:46] <omac> Robby what plan are you on with fido/rogers?
[02:46] <rbelem> thecrucible, try with --debug
[02:46] <rbelem> thecrucible, what ubuntu release are you running?
[02:47] <RobbyF> spindley, they din't seem daily, just frequently.
[02:47] <thecrucible> none...I used the manual flashing instructions via Fastboot and ADB
[02:47] <thecrucible> rbelem, bottom of the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[02:48] <rbelem> thecrucible, and on the desktop?
[02:48] <spindley> any of you guys use multiple email accounts in gmail? seems like adding another account does nothing
[02:48] <ragazzid> hey guys
[02:48] <bray90820> Is the nexus 7 version stable enough for daily use
[02:49] <thecrucible> rbelem, Mac OSX
[02:49] <spindley> not sure if that's a browser issue though ..
[02:49] <rbelem> thecrucible, hum...
[02:49] <ragazzid> i'm currenlty using Ubuntu 13.10 - armhf (20131017) no Nexus 4 (mako)
[02:49] <ragazzid> am I the only one facing issues with the mobile network?
[02:49] <thecrucible> rbelem, not using the phablet method
[02:49] <RobbyF> omac, I'm on a special plan I work for Rogers
[02:50] <thecrucible> rbelem, I dont have Ubuntu desktop
[02:50] <ragazzid> it was working properly... i decided to disable for a while.. now when I try to enable it again it simple doesn't work :(
[02:50] <bray90820> Is the nexus 7 version stable enough for a daily driver
[02:50] <godofgrunts> no
[02:50] <godofgrunts> It crashes on everything
[02:51] <godofgrunts> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1241242
[02:51] <ragazzid> lol
[02:51] <iruletheworld> haha thats quite a bug
[02:51] <godofgrunts> Yeah
[02:52] <bray90820> So if you have anything but a nexus 4 would you recommend waiting
[02:52] <rbelem> thecrucible, i can't help much for now :-/ maybe tomorrow you have better luck with the ubuntu touch developers
[02:52] <godofgrunts> On the wiki they say that the Nexus 7 has driver issues due to the hardware
[02:52] <thecrucible> np thanks rbelem
[02:52] <thecrucible> appreciate the effort
[02:53] <rbelem> thecrucible, one more thing... try to update the adb and fastboot
[02:53] <Nick__> So, me here, with no experience with android development, am attempting to port ubuntu touch to htc sensation.  And I can't even get it going.  I'm following the instructions on the ubuntu touch porting wiki, and when I get to "phablet-dev-bootstrap [target_directory]" it warns me about a gnupg key error, and then doesn't proceed.  And I try running the breakfast command and it doesnt know what the heck
[02:53] <Nick__> it is.  Any ideas?
[02:53] <thecrucible> will do
[02:53] <godofgrunts> bray90820: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices#Working_with_phablet-flash
[02:55] <rbelem> jono, ping
[02:55] <Nick__> any ideas?
[02:56] <rbelem> jono, do you know about anyone got http://openwhatsapp.org/develop/ running on ubuntu touch?
[02:56] <bray90820> Anyone know how stable it is on teh Galaxy Tab 10.1
[02:56] <bray90820> the p4wifi
[02:57] <Nick__> so what is the breakfast command anyway?
[02:58] <godofgrunts> nothing in Apt about breakfast
[02:58] <godofgrunts> maybe he meant fastboot?
[02:59] <omac> so here I am in Canada, Robbyf taunting me with his special Rogers-worker privileged data plan.  i've got an older moto milestone and an older advent Vega that I paid a pretty penny for and I can't even use ubutouch on. my wife has an s4 on an unlimited lte data plan which I can't convert to  ubutouch. it's frustrating.
[03:00] <Nick__> Like the borg, I believe everything will be assimilated eventually, omac
[03:01] <thatguyisjames> I have a galaxy nexus (toro) , I've seen this time and time again. What is the reason no one develops for Verizon devices? Are the radios that hard to port?
[03:02] <thatguyisjames> *I can't say no one does.  But its less popular it seems *
[03:02] <Nick__> oh godofgrunts, i didnt see that you had replied to me.  no, there is nothing from what I can see in apt about breakfast, and it just says command not found, it didn't even say like "breakfast is part of this package which is not yet installed) or anything.  And I've added the ubuntu touch repo
[03:05] <Guest48825> As I can import my contacts from Google?
[03:05] <spindley> omac: you realize that gsm does not mean gprs, right?
[03:08] <Nick__> question: If I have CM already installed on my htc, if i just take the saucy touch img and install that, would that work or brick my device?
[03:09] <rbelem> heck! openwhatsapp is python :-/
[03:10] <omac> spindley: yes I am aware gsm!= GPRS.  also aws!= lte.
[03:11] <rbelem> anyone want to rewrite it in c++ and qt5?
[03:11] <rbelem> :-)
[03:12] <spindley> omac: i don't understand what your issue is then
[03:12] <spindley> fido is a gsm network, therefore you should get 3g data
[03:12] <spindley> i do on rogers
[03:13] <mahkus> Hey there, is there an easy way to flash Ubuntu Touch? Without resorting to commands?
[03:13] <Nick__> ok another question: should I install the preinstalled phablet on my htc, then chroot into it, and then do all the stuff with the android code?
[03:15] <jrr> I decided to try ubuntu on my N10. Install seems stuck. host: "Waiting for install to finish on device."; tablet is in recovery with "Ubuntu update complete."
[03:16] <jrr> it's in the menu where I can scroll to "Yes - Disable recovery flash"
[03:16] <thatguyisjames> Mahkus...  Simple answer is no.  Not at this time.
[03:19] <mahkus> Damn. Thanks for the reply, I thought flashing Ubuntu Touch would be like flashing one of the many Android roms, but i'll guess I'll have to wait fora while.
[03:20] <jrr> do I want to "Disable recovery flash" ?
[03:27] <butterworth> hey all
[03:28] <butterworth> anyone tried to load ubuntu-touch to HTC One
[03:28] <wilee-nilee> butterworth, Nice phone I have a dna, why?
[03:29] <butterworth> i am planning to do it, so wondering if anyone has the image for that
[03:30] <wilee-nilee> I like the idea of the touch but comparatively at this point quite limited is all. Are you familiar with what you get with the touch?
[03:32] <nhaines> You get an *awesome* mobile development platform using Ubuntu.
[03:32] <thatguyisjames> Sold!
[03:33] <butterworth> I like the idea of using my phone as a primary device. And not requiring anything else.
[03:33] <nhaines> butterworth: I hope that convergence feature lands in 14.04 LTS.  :)
[03:34] <nhaines> It'll really make LUG meetings, convention booths, and other travelling super, super convenient.
[03:34] <nhaines> Access my important files?  Why hello, Ubuntu One!
[03:34] <butterworth> What do we get in this 13.10 saucy salamander release ?
[03:35] <nhaines> You get an *awesome* mobile development platform.
[03:35] <nhaines> Core apps are pretty solid, over all.  No downloads in the browser, unfortunately, but it does have nice HTML5 support.
[03:35] <dgonyeo> How do I make my file system not read-only
[03:36] <nhaines> dgonyeo: run 'touch /userdata/.writeable_image' and reboot.
[03:36] <butterworth> nhaines: Have you tried using this release in a non-nexus device ?
[03:37] <nhaines> butterworth: no, because I only have a Galaxy Nexus.
[03:37] <Guest48825> New Bug in Music App :P
[03:37] <Guest48825> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1241322
[03:39] <nhaines> Guest48825: Works great for me.  See the bug for more information you can provide to make the report more useful.
[03:39] <thatguyisjames> Do you know what kind of work it takes to get this working on the toro. Is me porting it myself within the realm of possibilities?
[03:40] <nhaines> thatguyisjames: I believe it works, but there's no telephony stack for CDMA.
[03:40] <Guest48825> nhaines:  As that happens, I have an Mp3 file playback time, leave the phone still, until there comes a time when it stops ringing.
[03:40] <thatguyisjames> That's what my understanding was. I'd be left with only wifi
[03:41] <thatguyisjames> The core of the two cdma and gsm versions are the same from what I know
[03:41] <nhaines> Guest48825: right, but it works for me.  So it doesn't just "not work", it works much of the time, and not some of the time.  We need the information I requested so we can narrow down what "some of the time" means.
[03:41] <nhaines> thatguyisjames: yup.  I don't think Canonical has any plans for CDMA support.
[03:42] <Guest48825> nhaines:  What information do you need?
[03:43] <thatguyisjames> Nhaines: -_- St I guess ill be hanging out around xda hoping someone smarter than me ports this to cdma.
[03:44] <nhaines> Guest48825: I've already described this in a comment on the bug.  Please go read what I wrote.  If you have further questions, feel free to ask here (or there, but here is faster).
[03:44] <nhaines> thatguyisjames: there's no "porting", you have to write it all from scratch.
[03:45] <thatguyisjames> Nhaines: I'm above average in Linux/android knowledge, but flashing to a new radio kernel...  Yea all that
[03:45] <nhaines> thatguyisjames: on the one hand, Verizon's on the Ubuntu Carrier Advisory Group.  On the other hand, they're switching to Voice over LTE in 2014, so they may not care either.
[03:45] <nhaines> thatguyisjames: I understand it's the userspace stuff that needs written from scratch, not the radio which is just firmware.
[03:46] <thatguyisjames> My daily driver is a S3. I kept my old galaxy nexus waiting for this release lol
[03:46] <nhaines> :)
[03:46] <nhaines> It's a really fun way to develop!
[03:46] <Guest48825> nhaines: Well that's the problem, play a file placed when the screen is locked when you stop dreaming. I do not know how else to describe the problem.
[03:47] <nhaines> Guest48825: I don't need you to describe the problem.  I need you to run 'adb shell system-cli -i' and paste the output in the bug report like I asked.
[03:47] <nhaines> You've already described the problem just fine.  :)
[03:48] <thatguyisjames> I'll keep a eye out for a toro version from some mad scientist. Have a good day/night
[03:49] <nhaines> thatguyisjames: I'll be crossing my fingers for you!  :)
[03:49] <Guest48825> nhaines:
[03:49] <Guest48825> bash: system-cli: command not found
[03:49] <kureno> wish we could just install memory cards in our head's already. Photographic memory!
[03:49] <nhaines> Guest48825: try 'adb shell system-image-cli -i'
[03:50] <Guest48825> namsohj@ubuntu:~/UbuntuTouchFinal$ adb shell system-image-cli -i current build number: 0 device name: mako channel: daily last update: Unknown
[03:50] <kureno> oh well it's not just read and remember it's all about understanding  xD
[03:50] <nhaines> Guest48825: Okay, well, that's a problem then.  What phone are you using?
[03:50] <Bio615> New to Ubuntu, deployed preinstalled images using custom recovery, besides the no boot screen its working lol
[03:51] <nhaines> Bio615: sometimes custom recoveries don't support the extended fastboot commands that are needed.  You may want to put stock recovery on there, just for testing.
[03:51] <Guest48825> nhaines:  Nexus4
[03:51] <Guest48825> 16GB
[03:52] <nhaines> Guest48825: and what command did you run to install Ubuntu on it?
[03:52] <Bio615> Just wanted to throw it out there that its working at least. It froze on gmail though, might try what you suggested though might be a bit safer.
[03:52] <Guest48825> nhaines:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation whit images of today
[03:52] <nhaines> Bio615: ohhhh, I misunderstood.  :)  If you have it installed, then you're all set.
[03:53] <nhaines> Guest48825: and why did you use this method instead of the supported method using 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b' ?
[03:53] <Bio615> oh okay lol. theres no boot animation, is that normal? it boots, just no anim
[03:53] <nhaines> Bio615: yup!  Maybe in 14.04 LTS, I hope.  :)
[03:53] <Guest48825> nhaines: I find it much easier.
[03:54] <Bio615> neat :D now if only it had Ingress on it, it'd be my dd
[03:54] <nhaines> Bio615: That and Google Navigation.  You and me both.  :)
[03:54] <Bio615> it has gps atleast though yeah?
[03:54] <nhaines> Bio615: my team is a little annoyed that I took a week vacation to test drive the phone haha.
[03:55] <nhaines> Bio615: it does, although no AGPS so it takes a long time to lock.  Also, Mir can't overlay a permissions dialogue yet, to confirm GPS permissions.
[03:55] <Guest48825> NewBug Twitter App https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1241328
[03:55] <nhaines> So that's only a "technically correct."
[03:56] <Bio615> thats understandable. feeling comfortable that its relatively easy to flash at least. and it even fixed my lack of storage issue! go ubuntu!
[03:56] <nhaines> Guest48825: well, I suspect that until you use the official method of installing, no one will be able to help you, because you've managed to install a non-supported system image.
[03:57] <nhaines> Bio615: I've heard the plan is to sort of bug fix for a month and then start pounding on the "T" series.  So December should be fun.  :)
[03:57] <Guest48825> nhaines: As is the method in the Wiki followeth, likewise, is the same process that follows the phablet installation application.
[03:58] <Bio615> T series? whats that about
[03:58] <nhaines> Guest48825: I don't know what that means.
[03:58] <nhaines> Bio615: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will have a "T" codename.  Ubuntu 13.10 has the "S" codename: Saucy Salamander.  :)
[03:58] <Guest48825> nhaines: May the Ubuntu installation process Touch is the same, either manually or with the application.
[03:58] <Bio615> Oh yeah
[03:59] <Bio615> Arizona isn't a place according to the timezones
[03:59] <nhaines> Guest48825: you don't have the latest image.  There's nothing wrong with that if you're happy with it, but it's not supported.
[03:59] <nhaines> Bio615: that's what you get for having weird time zone rules.  ;)
[04:00] <Guest48825> nhaines: It is the daily image today (October 17)
[04:00] <nhaines> Bio615: try searching for Phoenix.
[04:00] <Bio615> awwwuh
[04:00] <Bio615> it didn't work
[04:00] <nhaines> Guest48825: if system-image-cli doesn't work, then your install is broken.
[04:00] <Bio615> i'll figure it out, or set it automatically
[04:01] <nhaines> Bio615: really?  It shows up on my Galaxy Nexus.
[04:01] <Bio615> manually*
[04:01] <Bio615> maybe I'm on an older build hang on
[04:01] <nhaines> Bio615: 'adb shell system-image-cli -i'  ;)
[04:04] <iron_giant> Any good/updated guides for installing ubuntu touch from a mac? I am fairly familiar with the flashing process and it seems to follow standard android pattens but  it would be nice if there was a good guide.
[04:04] <Bio615> its stuttering, could that have something to do with the method I used to install it?
[04:05] <Guest48825>  nhaines that is system-image-cli ?
[04:05] <nhaines> iron_giant: I think phablet-flash runs on Mac too, with Python support.
[04:05] <nhaines> Bio615: nope.
[04:05] <nhaines> Guest48825: I don't understand the question.
[04:06] <Bio615> and ofc this works wonderfully alongside ubuntu right?
[04:06] <Guest48825> nhaines: For serving "system-image-cli"
[04:07] <nhaines> Bio615: media player flickers on maguro.  It's just a thing.  They'll work on it in a few days.
[04:08] <nhaines> Guest48825: that didn't make the question clearer.
[04:08] <Bio615> hope they get rest lol, this is beautiful :D
[04:08] <iron_giant> Seems like it only comes in that ppa? Is it available elsewhere?
[04:08] <Guest48825> nhaines:  Let's do something, tell me how I do the installation. And try again.
[04:09] <nhaines> iron_giant: it's in the 13.10 repositories.  You could always burn a DVD or USB stick and boot from that and install. :)
[04:09] <iron_giant> Lol already downloading. Live usb goooooooo
[04:10] <nhaines> Guest48825: on Ubuntu 13.10, run 'sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot'
[04:10] <nhaines> Guest48825: then run 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b'
[04:10] <nhaines> That should do it.
[04:11] <Guest48825> I go to reboot my system
[04:12] <nhaines> Guest48825: I'm crossing my fingers for you.  Mostly, I hope the problem goes away and you can enjoy your music immediately.  :)
[04:17] <Bio615> redeploying preinstalls, hopefully deborks phone
[04:17] <Bio615> does WIFI work on mako or no
[04:18] <Bio615> the chart says it does, but for me it isn't
[04:18] <Bio615> it keeps asking for a password
[04:19] <nhaines> Bio615: I'm almost certain wifi works, but I'm on maguro.
[04:19] <nhaines> (Err, I'm pretty sure it works on mako, but I don't know firsthand, I mean.)
[04:19] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  I reinstaled the system
[04:19] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: great!  I'm hoping the problem is solved.  What does 'adb shell system-image-cli -i' say now?
[04:19] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: im guestuser :P
[04:19] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: I recognize you. :)
[04:20] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  I'm downloading it again, it will take about 30 minutes. or more!
[04:20] <nhaines> So, I'm hoping everything works, because I'd prefer it if you can just enjoy your music.  :)  But we'll double-check the build and test it and if it's still not working, we'll get that bug report sorted out.
[04:26] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: oh, nice bonus for you, maybe, is that after this you can update your phone from System Settings > Updates.
[04:29] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  No updates are available.
[04:30] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: That's because you weren't running an official image.  Plus, there won't be any updates for about a week, probably.  But when they are, you'll be able to download only the changes.  Updates are more like ~18MB this way.
[04:31] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: I'm downloading the image to install, the way you told me.
[04:31] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: what I am saying is that after you've installed this way, you can update directly from your phone in the future.
[04:33] <Bio615> was just about to ask that after I rejoined, mako stuck on checking for updates
[04:35] <nhaines> Bio615: looks like this: http://ubuntuone.com/4guBmiB5yT1NJFNGqf0lQ2
[04:35] <Bio615> except it never gets there, its been on checking for updates for about  five mins
[04:39] <nhaines> Bio615: check "About this phone" to see what build you're runnning.
[04:47] <Bio615> erm, beside software is a blank space.
[04:48] <nhaines> Bio615: it's a section ehader.  Under that it should say "OS:"  :)
[04:48] <nhaines> For example, mine says "OS:    Ubuntu 13.10 (r100)"
[04:48] <JHOSMAN> i'm zzzzz xD
[04:49] <Bio615> doh. mine is just ubuntu 13.10
[04:49] <nhaines> Bio615: then you're running build 97 or earlier.  You know what to do.  :)
[04:49] <Bio615> woooo thats old. got it lol. dunno how I managed to pull that one off
[04:50] <nhaines> A problem discovered and fixed becomes no longer a problem.  :)
[04:50] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  installing :D
[04:50] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: :D
[04:51] <Bio615> well, what happened was I used the preinstalled images, and flashed those through a custom recovery. is that bad?
[04:51] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: Thanks for going through that method of installing.  I know it's extra work and I appreciate it.
[04:51] <nhaines> Bio615: which images?
[04:51] <JHOSMAN> :P
[04:52] <Bio615> do you want me to link it, or
[04:52] <Bio615> wha
[04:52] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: I'm being sincere!  I want you to either no longer have the playback problem or I want a good solid bug report on LP.  :)
[04:52] <nhaines> Bio615: sure, a link works.
[04:52] <Bio615> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20131017/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip
[04:53] <Bio615> heres something else: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[04:53] <JHOSMAN> INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes.
[04:54] <nhaines> Bio615: oh.  Well, that's just the hardware-specific stuff.  Most of the stuff is generic and in saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip.  :)
[04:54] <Bio615> yeah I flashed both of them lol
[04:54] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  The phone does not come up = (
[04:55] <Bio615> I just don't know if this is an inefficient way of doing it and if going the long way would be better
[04:55] <nhaines> Bio615: If /userdata/.writeable_image exists, you may want to delete it and reboot.
[04:55] <Bio615> k I'll look at that
[04:55] <nhaines> Bio615: I imagine that 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system' is not "the long way" compared to how you did it.  :)
[04:56] <Bio615> lol yeah I know, but fwiw I did extensive research on it to make sure it wasn't gonna cause a hard brick, hope I'm not wasting your time xD
[04:57] <nhaines> Bio615: I don't think flashing this way *can* brick the device, because fastboot is always there.
[04:57] <nhaines> Bio615: anyway, the updater only works with the official images, because the server serves a delta to minimize image size (r99 to r100 was 18MB, for example).
[04:58] <JHOSMAN> Now I have the update r100
[04:58] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:
[04:58] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: yay!  Okay, test out the music player and let's see what happens.
[04:58] <Bio615> okay I understand a bit. I'll try the official way tomorrow, since doing it an unofficial way probably won't help you guys in your development, just hope bug reports weren't autosent in my little adventure lol
[04:59] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: I will update the system, reboot and test.
[04:59] <nhaines> Bio615: very thoughtful of you.  :)
[04:59] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: okay, I'll be waiting.
[05:01] <Bio615> I'm off for the night then, hopefully will get things (officially) up and running tomorrow :D
[05:02] <JHOSMAN> =)
[05:02] <JHOSMAN> =(
[05:02] <JHOSMAN> Err http://ports.ubuntu.com saucy/main Sources         404  Not Found
[05:03] <JHOSMAN> i have internet in the nexius
[05:04] <nhaines> Bio615: good luck!  :D
[05:04] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: hm, that's a bit odd.  Where'd you get that message?
[05:04] <Bio615> thanks! take care you guys
[05:05] <bit_> hi
[05:05] <bit_> the string for nexus 7 wfi ?
[05:06] <bit_> I tried to install but the screen flickers
[05:07] <bit_> can someone help me?
[05:07] <JHOSMAN> problem solved!:o nhaines
[05:07] <JHOSMAN> :D
[05:07] <pinPoint> hey I have an issue.
[05:07] <pinPoint> I just moved touch.zip to /sdcard/autodeploy.zip and adb rebooted recovery
[05:08] <pinPoint> it finished installing now I have a google logo and nothing is booting...
[05:08] <pinPoint> galaxy nexus here
[05:08] <pinPoint> What could be wrong?!
[05:08] <bit_> you have to wait, do not look at your phone
[05:09] <iron_giant> How long does that last step take: "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes."? Any estimates?
[05:09] <Bio615> i've heard 15 minutes
[05:09] <Bio615> decided to have a drink before bed ;)
[05:09] <pinPoint> it finished moving files
[05:09] <bit_> yes :)
[05:10] <pinPoint> the only time I rebooted was after like 3 minutes on Google LOGO
[05:10] <iron_giant> Hrmmm ok.
[05:10] <bit_> more time
[05:10] <bit_> for nexus 7 the screen ???
[05:10] <pinPoint> galaxy nexus
[05:11] <bit_> asus nexus 7 tablet
[05:11] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: hey, that's great!  :D
[05:11] <spazzymoto> Hey guys, not sure if these bugs have been reported. I searched launchpad but couldnt find anything. Bluetooth turns itself on again if i leave my phone for awhile, not sure if it has to do with locking and unlocking of screen. Also the touch in file explorer clicking on one folder seems to select the one below it, ie documents opens downloads, downloads opens music.
[05:11] <pinPoint> http://pastebin.com/qjyGQpw6
[05:11] <nhaines> iron_giant: always takes a billion years for me.  :)  Great time to get up and get a snack.
[05:12] <pinPoint> so now I seat for centuries for the phone to boot? why does it take sooo long though?
[05:13] <nhaines> spazzymoto: the Bluetooth thing is a bug, I believe.  Not sure about the file explorer thing, but it's intermittent.
[05:13] <nhaines> pinPoint: because that's the actual install step.
[05:13] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: I insist that this Bug, must be resolved as soon as possible.
[05:13] <JHOSMAN> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1232350
[05:13] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: it's not a bug.
[05:13] <JHOSMAN> o.O
[05:13] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: It will be fixed before April when Ubuntu 14.04 LTS comes out.
[05:14] <nhaines> It's *annoying*, I'll give you that.
[05:14] <bit_> for WFI nexus 7 tablet is this correct?: phablet-flash -b
[05:14] <pinPoint> nhaines: to take 15 minutes? what is it really installing for that long... really?
[05:14] <nhaines> bit_: for a 2012 Nexus 7, yes.
[05:14] <nhaines> pinPoint: I'm pretty sure it takes my phone 25 minutes.
[05:14] <bit_> ok
[05:14] <pinPoint> geezuzz!
[05:14] <iron_giant> Phones dont have the fastest storage.
[05:15] <nhaines> pinPoint: it probably takes 25 or 30 minutes to install Ubuntu on your PC.  :)
[05:15] <irrelev4nt> Hey all. Does anyone here use Ubuntu on a Surface Pro? I was directed here from the #ubuntu
[05:16] <bit_> but does not work: lasintassi right is this: phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[05:16] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: I have missed several calls, and I think it's one of the reasons why going back to Android = S
[05:16] <bjh_> hi
[05:16] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  You know, like I can import my contacts from my Google account?
[05:16] <bit_>  nhaines, but does not work: the right syntax is: phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[05:16] <bjh_> ubuntu touch can be rooted?
[05:16] <pinPoint> I noticed the recovery looks very familiar to CWM... can I use the same recovery to restore my previous CWM backups?
[05:17] <pinPoint> say from Android 4.3.1?
[05:17] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: yes, but vibrate was not planned to be in 13.10.  It is planned to be in 14.04 LTS.  Just like many other features that weren't ready in 13.10.
[05:17] <bjh_> can be rooted?
[05:17] <bit_>  nhaines: but does not work: the right syntax is: phablet-flash cdimage-touch -b
[05:17] <iron_giant> I am pretty pumped for another player in the game. Though I guess I will have to learn to dev in ubuntu touch too.
[05:18] <bjh_> i have sgn. cant it be rooted?
[05:18] <nhaines> bit_: cdimage-touch is not supported.
[05:18] <pinPoint> i tried the demo before... it was annoying as HELL
[05:18] <nhaines> bjh_: no, it can't.  That doesn't mean anything on Ubuntu.
[05:18] <pinPoint> iron_giant: can i restore my previous cwm using ubuntu cwm recovery?
[05:18] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  If I can import my contacts from Google, I'll stay, otherwise android reinstall it.
[05:18] <nhaines> pinPoint: yes.
[05:18] <bjh_> so i can't edit host file? OH GOD!
[05:18] <iron_giant> lol
[05:19] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: You fact you can.  :)
[05:19] <nhaines> bjh_: of course you can.
[05:19] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: let me find the command for you.
[05:19] <pinPoint> what about .VCF files?
[05:19] <bjh_> i can root?
[05:19] <bit_> What should I write in the terminal then?
[05:19] <nhaines> bjh_: there is no root.
[05:19] <pinPoint> i dumped google for my own private vcard system
[05:19] <JHOSMAN> thanks! (i use verification in two steps)
[05:20] <nhaines> bit_: 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup -d grouper'
[05:20] <bit_> the nexus is not only wireless gms
[05:20] <bit_> ops
[05:20] <bjh_> PLZ! can be rooted? this site is too crowdy!
[05:20] <nhaines> bit_: you told me you had a Nexus 7.
[05:21] <nhaines> bjh_: "rooted" is an Android thing.  It is meaningless for Ubuntu.
[05:21] <pinPoint> ubuntu is wide open...
[05:21] <bit_> the nexus is  only wireless... tablet
[05:21] <pinPoint> sudo style
[05:21] <bjh_> I want to edit host file for blocking site. Can it be done?
[05:22] <nhaines> bjh_: I can't say "yes" any other way.
[05:22] <bit_> 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup -d grouper' for nexus 7 wireless tablet?
[05:22] <bjh_> nhaines : thanks anyway
[05:23] <nhaines> bit_: is it the 2012 model or the 2013 model?
[05:23] <nhaines> Only the 2012 model is supported.
[05:23] <bit_> 2012
[05:24] <nhaines> bit_: well, if you don't believe me or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install maybe someone else can offer some advice.
[05:24] <bjh_> my phone is sam gal nex. it is smooth and support 3g?
[05:24] <nhaines> bjh_: scrolling websites is a little jerky and the media player is flickery.  Everything else (except Bluetooth) seems to work great.
[05:25] <bit_> ok
[05:25] <bjh_> nhaines: really? oh i will try it ^^
[05:25] <pinPoint> nhaines: you have it installed?
[05:25] <pinPoint> touch on galaxy nexus
[05:25] <bit_> I feel sorry as you say thanks
[05:26] <bjh_> thank you thank you ^^
[05:26] <nhaines> pinPoint: I've been using it for about a week straight now.
[05:26] <pinPoint> the stable version? I thought it came out today?
[05:26] <bit_> nhaines:  thanks a lot I'm trying
[05:26] <nhaines> pinPoint: the stable version for two days.
[05:27] <nhaines> bit_: I hope it works out for you.  I think it will.  :)
[05:27] <nhaines> bit_: when you get a shell, it's just Ubuntu underneath.  I think you'll enjoy it.
[05:27] <pinPoint> nhaines: how long did it take to boot first time?! I'm getting anxious
[05:27] <nhaines> pinPoint: it takes *forever*.  I know it's taken 30 minutes in the past, but I'm pretty sure it's more like 20 or so.
[05:28] <nhaines> pinPoint:  if you see the droid with the gear, everything's okay.
[05:28] <pinPoint> the first time I installed the demo.. like months ago it was fast
[05:28] <pinPoint> I see the GOOGLE LOGO ONLY
[05:28] <spazzymoto> pinPoint: mine took a long while, 20 ish minutes. mine was a black screen for a long time the the google logo for a long time then it booted
[05:28] <pinPoint> oh ok
[05:29] <iron_giant> Any tips? ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[05:29] <pinPoint> still NOT NATURAL at all for a phone os
[05:29] <nhaines> pinPoint: you won't be able to brick it if you're using phablet-flash, so in the very worst case sceneario, you just have to restart.
[05:29] <bit_> installation in progress on tablet :)
[05:29] <pinPoint> nhaines: http://pastebin.com/qjyGQpw6
[05:29] <nhaines> pinPoint: Android takes me 10 or 15 minutes to reflash.  It's normal.
[05:29] <nhaines> bit_: I'm crossing my fingers for you.  :)
[05:29] <pinPoint> does that look done properly?? ^^^
[05:29] <nhaines> iron_giant: if the phone boots up, you're still okay.
[05:29] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  i lost my connection
[05:29] <JHOSMAN> you have the command?
[05:29] <bit_> ahahahahahah
[05:29] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: wb.  Oops, let me look for it again.  :)
[05:30] <iron_giant> nhains: Its on but black screen. Should i keep waiting?
[05:30] <JHOSMAN> xD
[05:30] <nhaines> iron_giant: yeah, might take up to 30 minutes.  Probably more like 20.
[05:30] <JHOSMAN> Where I can report a bug wing pair uauth application
[05:31] <iron_giant> Nexus 4 btw. Been about 25 mins
[05:31] <iron_giant> will give it a little more
[05:31] <iron_giant> device is currently in recovery which makes sense if its pushing a new system partition
[05:31] <iron_giant> Assuming it still is
[05:33] <nhaines> pinPoint: it *looks* okay.  You might have to go into recovery mode and run 'adb push /path/to/your/downloaded/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip' as a last step.
[05:33] <pinPoint> i did
[05:33] <pinPoint> last line has it
[05:33] <nhaines> pinPoint: and if that doesn't work, just boot from an Ubuntu 13.10 live DVD or USB stick and run phablet-flash from there.
[05:34] <nhaines> pinPoint: no it doesn't.
[05:34] <pinPoint> F:\NexusFiles\yakju-jwr66y-factory-09207065\yakju-jwr66y>adb push "saucy-preinst
[05:34] <pinPoint> alled-touch-armel+maguro.zip" /sdcard/autodeploy.zip
[05:34] <pinPoint> 4519 KB/s (30798102 bytes in 6.655s)
[05:34] <iron_giant> nhaines: I bounced the device and ended up in recovery with ubuntu logo.
[05:34] <nhaines> pinPoint: yes, but that's not what I said.
[05:34] <bit_> nhaines:  is starting ... see if it works??
[05:35] <nhaines> bit_: it restarts two or three times.  :)
[05:35] <nhaines> iron_giant: maybe add -b to the end of your phablet-flash command.
[05:35] <pinPoint> :/
[05:35] <nhaines> pinPoint: you flashed all the maguro-specific stuff, but not the OS itselff.
[05:36] <pinPoint> :?
[05:36] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: the command?
[05:36] <nhaines> Go into recovery mode and run 'adb push saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip'.  Then reboot into recovery again.  That'll be your last step.
[05:36] <pinPoint> so I have to autodeploy.zip twice nhaines ?
[05:36] <bit_> it is ok
[05:36] <bit_> wow
[05:36] <pinPoint> oh I see
[05:37] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[05:37] <nhaines> pinPoint: yes.  :)
[05:37] <JHOSMAN> nhaines: bash: ubuntu_chroot: command not found
[05:37] <bit_> I have to start it again? not restarted by itself
[05:37] <nhaines> pinPoint: thanks for pasting your Command Prompt session.  That was enough information for me to catch the problem.  :)
[05:38] <pinPoint> no, thank you... i finally noticed two autodeploy versions
[05:38] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: skip that part.  Also, actually, start at 'su', but make it 'su -iu phablet' instead.
[05:38] <Bio615> just wanna take a moment and express the importance of backups
[05:38] <nhaines> bit_: it should be automatic.
[05:38] <pinPoint> i backed up
[05:38] <Bio615> I just inadvertently purged my entire userdata from my phone
[05:38] <pinPoint> shiate!
[05:38] <Bio615> so
[05:38] <Bio615> backup! lol
[05:39] <nhaines> Bio615: that's never fun when it happens accidentally!
[05:39] <Bio615> yeah I was like well, somethings eating space, dunno what, lets just wipe all of it while I sip my rum
[05:39] <Bio615> including my backups
[05:39] <bit_> appeared the home screen .... I see the icons ... so he ended up?
[05:40] <nhaines> bit_: yup!
[05:40] <Bio615> at least google backed up all my apps for me :P
[05:40] <Bio615> Now to go to bed while all my apps download
[05:40] <bit_> ok
[05:40] <nhaines> Bio615: ha!  :)  Don't worry, I did the Android backup but it ignored my call log, contacts, messages, and email.
[05:40] <bit_> road test .... thank you very much
[05:40] <Bio615> i'm not too worried, my photos are backed up
[05:40] <Bio615> but seriously, bed time! lol
[05:40] <Bio615> night
[05:41] <pinPoint> nhaines: I forgot the 391MB OS file... only the most important file!!! :/ damns
[05:41] <nhaines> bit_: you're welcome!  It's a little rough but very interesting, and you can always restore Android later.  :)
[05:41] <nhaines> pinPoint: Haha, yeah, now you see why it takes 20-30 minutes.  :)  But no wonder that didn't sound right to you, haha.
[05:42] <nhaines> I'm going to chang emy phone language to German and reboot and see if everything breaks.
[05:42] <bit_> ok ... I feel the touch ... so canonical also help;)
[05:42] <iron_giant> nhaines: It will. Try a right to left language.
[05:43] <nhaines> iron_giant: I only speak the one other.  :)
[05:43] <iron_giant> lol
[05:43] <nhaines> bit_: I'm just an Ubuntu project member.  :)
[05:44] <bit_> wow that honor
[05:45] <nhaines> bit_: it just means I have to pay for my business cards.  :)
[05:45] <nhaines> Oh, and I guess I get an email address.
[05:45] <sean____> I did a factory reset after installing touch this afternoon, and now I just get a google boot screen. Any idea if I can save the phone?
[05:45] <bit_> ahahahahaha
[05:46] <enticeing> Hello all
[05:46] <nhaines> sean____: which phone?  Usually you can power down, then hold VOL UP and VOL DOWN at the same time as POWER to go into fastboot mode.
[05:46] <nhaines> sean____: then you can run phablet-flash again or restore Android.
[05:46] <iron_giant> As long as you get into fastboot you are ok.
[05:47] <sean____> It's the galaxy nexus.. I tried running it again, but the device is not seen any longer
[05:47] <bit_> bad news: the screen flickers: (blocked
[05:48] <pinPoint> nhaines: alright, I'm getting the longer android bot progress bar... much better
[05:48] <enticeing> Is it possible to flash touch from the recovery on my phone? If so, which images do i need?
[05:48] <sean____> I can only get into the bootloader, I feel like it may be a lost cause
[05:48] <nhaines> sean____: in that case, make sure http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html is in your /etc/udev/rules.d directory, and then unplug your phone and replug.
[05:48] <nhaines> sean____: it's not a lost cause.
[05:48] <nhaines> pinPoint: :D
[05:49] <nhaines> enticeing: you have to flash it from fastboot, and you'll want to use 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b' which will figure everything out for you.
[05:49] <bit_> nhaines: the screen flickers : (blocked
[05:50] <iron_giant> two of me
[05:50] <sean____> how will adding the google contacts help me?
[05:50] <nhaines> bit_: that's a shame. :(
[05:51] <nhaines> sean____: err, sorry, pasted the wrong link.
[05:51] <irongiant> Boy this phablet-flash does not like me
[05:51] <irongiant> need to try the -b
[05:51] <nhaines> sean____: http://ubuntuone.com/4IlVG6WzbMwqoBaD05UWMZ
[05:52] <bit_> patience ... you have to work again for the nexus 7 Wireless 2012 lol :)
[05:53] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  I worked synchronization of contacts, but I only download 50 contacts. I have much more than 50.
[05:53] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: just keep running it and it will keep adding them until it's done.  :)
[05:53] <pinPoint> nhaines: black screen after google logo, normal?
[05:54] <nhaines> pinPoint: yeah, there's no boot logo.
[05:54] <pinPoint> oh boi
[05:55] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  It is the same, eliminates 50 contacts that I have and add the same 50.
[05:56] <irongiant> nhaines: What does the -b flag do?
[05:56] <pinPoint> nhaines: im in
[05:56] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: then switch to 'syncevolution --sync one-way-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook'
[05:56] <nhaines> pinPoint: :D
[05:56] <pinPoint> hspa+ support on galaxy nexus?
[05:57] <pinPoint> it just says 3G
[05:57] <JHOSMAN> |   item(s) in database backup: 50 before sync, 50 after it           |
[05:57] <sean____> I feel even more foolish now. When I try to copy the file over to that directory, I get a permission denied error
[05:57] <nhaines> irongiant: "Bootstraps the system into Ubuntu wiping all data while doing so."
[05:57] <JHOSMAN> syncevolution --sync one-way-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook
[05:57] <nhaines> sean____: use 'sudo'  :)
[05:58] <JHOSMAN> Working :D
[05:58] <pinPoint> how do I get my .vcf contact files inside the phone?
[05:58] <nhaines> sean____: maybe 'sudo chown root: /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules' and 'sudo chmod 644 /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules' as well.
[05:58] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: :D
[05:59] <nhaines> pinPoint: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Contacts
[06:00] <JHOSMAN> THE only problem is that it integrates the two-step verification, to thereby temporarily disabled it.
[06:01] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: ohh.... yeah, probably something for 14.04.  Might be worth making a wishlist bug for it.
[06:01] <JHOSMAN> =)
[06:02] <JHOSMAN> As the phone does not vibrate, is there any way to exceed the volume?
[06:02] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: no, I miss the old "horrible phone ringing" ringtone.  I suggest finding the loudest ringtone and using that.
[06:03] <JHOSMAN> nhaines:  I'm happy with the contacts, I just want to find a solution for my incoming calls.
[06:03] <JHOSMAN> xD
[06:04] <pinPoint> how does one swype an app away?
[06:05] <JHOSMAN> I go to Sleep!
[06:05] <JHOSMAN> Good night!
[06:05] <JHOSMAN> Thanks nhaines ! =)
[06:06] <spazzymoto> pinPoint: swipe from the left, keep swiping across screen
[06:06] <nhaines> JHOSMAN: you're welcome.  Good luck!  :D
[06:06] <pinPoint> is there a menu key... geez!
[06:07] <pinPoint> anywhere?
[06:07] <nhaines> pinPoint: swiping from the right flips between running apps, short swipe from the left brings up the launcher and long swipe from the left brings up the Dash Application Lens.
[06:07] <pinPoint> im in contacts and I'd like to bring up import
[06:07] <nhaines> pinPoint: no.  Just swipe up from the bottom to access the toolbar.
[06:07] <nhaines> There is no import feature in the contacts.
[06:07] <sean____> I am way too new to this stuff.. I have tried typing what you put in a terminal, but nothing will allow me to save anything into the rules.d folder
[06:07] <pinPoint> i'm getting restless
[06:08] <nhaines> sean____: the only thing that will copy into that folder would be something like 'sudo cp ~/Downloads/51-android.rules /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules'
[06:08] <pinPoint> nhaines: .vcf files will work the same way?
[06:09] <nhaines> pinPoint: probably not.  You'll need to create CSV files.
[06:10] <spazzymoto> pinPoint: no google account? syncing from there is also super easy
[06:12] <sean____> Yay.. I finally copied the file.. Woo Hoo.. Amazing how such a small feat can improve my day
[06:12] <nhaines> sean____: :)  If it helps, this is what keeps malicious programs from changing your system files. :)
[06:13] <nhaines> Try the other two commands I mentioned, then unplug and replug your phone.
[06:13] <sean____> I can definitely be considered malicious after the day I have had thus far
[06:13] <nhaines> 'adb reboot recovery' will reset your phone and you can try 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b' or reinstall Android from there.
[06:17] <sean____> Device still not found.. I am not thinking that I will get this working again
[06:19] <irongiant> nhaines: Got that timeout again. I rebooted into recover and have the autodeploy.zip not found message on the bottom.
[06:19] <irongiant> And cant opne /cache/recovery/ubuntu_comamnd
[06:19] <nhaines> sean____: pull your battery, then hold VOL UP and VOL DOWN together plus POWER until it boots.  I've been in your shoes many times.
[06:21] <nhaines> irongiant: what's your device again?
[06:21] <irongiant> nexus 4
[06:22] <irongiant> REcovery looks to be correct
[06:22] <nhaines> irongiant: that's normal on the phone for a couple boots.  In your terminal you get a timeout?  What does it say?
[06:22] <irongiant> if i had to venture a guess
[06:22] <pinPoint> nhaines: i have the csv file now
[06:22] <irongiant> ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[06:22] <nhaines> pinPoint: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Contacts should work then, in that case.
[06:22] <irongiant> Let it sit for about 40 mins or so
[06:23] <irongiant> * I let it sit for about 40 mins or os
[06:23] <sean____> nhaines: I appreciate your help. I pulled the batter. I am back at the bootloader screen. adb devices shows nothing, and both of the commands say device not found
[06:23] <irongiant> fastboot devices show anything sean?
[06:24] <pinPoint> nhaines: Im I supposed to be able to terminal on the phone somehow?
[06:24] <nhaines> sean____: he means 'adb devices'  :)
[06:24] <nhaines> pinPoint: by using the Terminal app.  But easier to do 'adb shell' on your computer and then run 'sudo -iu phablet'
[06:24] <sean____> Actually.. Fastboot devices does show something where adb did not
[06:25] <nhaines> sean____: you should see a big green arrow with "START" in it and an android on its side with its front hatch open.
[06:25] <pinPoint> nhaines: why does it look like trash everywhere when I 'ls'?
[06:25] <sean____> Yes.. I have been staring at that android for hours now
[06:26] <nhaines> pinPoint: I don't know.  That's incredibly non-descriptive.
[06:27] <pinPoint> where is data.csv supposed to be? because this is just nightmarish
[06:27] <pinPoint> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/$ ls
[06:27] <pinPoint> ls
[06:27] <pinPoint> .[0m.[01;34mbin.[0m   .[01;34mdev.[0m      .[01;34mhome.[0m   .[01;34mmnt.[0m
[06:27] <pinPoint> .[01;34mroot.[0m  .[01;34msrv.[0m        .[01;34msystem.[0m  .[01;34mvar.[0m
[06:27] <pinPoint> .[01;34mboot.[0m  .[01;34metc.[0m      .[01;34mlib.[0m    .[01;34mopt.[0m   .[01
[06:27] <pinPoint> I mean wth is all that?
[06:27] <pinPoint> that is after an 'ls' in /
[06:28] <nhaines> pinPoint: it means your terminal isn't configured correctly because it's not interpreting ANSI escape codes.
[06:28] <nhaines> pinPoint: what OS are you running, and what terminal emulator?
[06:28] <pinPoint> im using adb shell though
[06:28] <pinPoint> win7
[06:29] <sean____> Okay so I see the android guy laying on his back.  What do you recommend from here?
[06:29] <nhaines> pinPoint: oh, then you'll need an ANSI interpreter.  Give me a second, I'll figure out how to disable colors in ls.
[06:29] <nhaines> sean____: 'phablet-flash ubuntu-system -b'
[06:30] <pinPoint> ansi interpreter...? all this just to import a .csv file? where should the .csv be located inorder for me to see my contacts?
[06:31] <nhaines> pinPoint: no, it's because the Windows Command Prompt doesn't support ANSI, whereas any modern terminal emulator would be expected to.
[06:31] <nhaines> pinPoint: type 'ls --color=none', and that should display without the ANSI control codes.
[06:32] <sean____> I get the following error phablet-flash:commans 'sdb shell getprop ro,cm.device ' returned non zero exit status 255
[06:32] <nhaines> Anyway, in another command prompt, navigate to where your csv file is and then run 'adb push foobar.csv /home/phablet'
[06:32] <pinPoint> so the csv file should be place in /home/phablet?
[06:32] <nhaines> pinPoint: then, in the first command prompt window, type 'sudo -iu phablet'
[06:32] <nhaines> Yes.
[06:32] <pinPoint> i typed sudo command already
[06:33] <irongiant> nhaines: I'm going in manually.
[06:33] <nhaines> sean____: try using the arrow keys to choose 'reboot recovery' and then running phablet-flash again.
[06:34] <nhaines> irongiant: worth a try.
[06:34] <nhaines> pinPoint: okay, after that you should be able to run manage-address-books.py
[06:34] <pinPoint> just type that python script?
[06:35] <pinPoint> command not found?
[06:35] <sean____> I get an error.. Device not found whenever I run reboot recovery
[06:35] <nhaines> sean____: even after adding the 51-android.rules file?
[06:36] <sean____> yep.. and I checked to make sure that it copied over
[06:36] <nhaines> pinPoint: I don't have further information than what's at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Contacts
[06:36] <nhaines> sean____: if you run 'ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d', does the owner and permissions match the other files?
[06:38] <sean____> yep.. Looks the same
[06:38] <nhaines> sean____: I am investigating the possibility that I may have put my private copy of the file up.
[06:39] <sean____> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root
[06:39] <sean____> That would make sense since everything else I have done today has been messed up.. HAha
[06:40] <nhaines> sean____: it's my error.
[06:40] <sean____> My last name is Murphy.. It's always my fault.. Haha
[06:40] <spazzymoto> ^^ haha
[06:40] <nhaines> sean____: run 'sudo gedit /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules' and change my username to yours on your system.  Then save, unplug and replug your phone, and behold as everything magically works.
[06:41] <irongiant> nhaines: After flashing the big zip,  should i stay at google screen for a bit? or just for a second. Then it should transition to the black screen right?
[06:41] <nhaines> irongiant: after the big zip, you'll do 'adb reboot recovery' again and it'll transition to the "android loading" screen.
[06:41] <irongiant> yeah i saw that
[06:42] <irongiant> it did its thing
[06:42] <irongiant> then rebooted again
[06:42] <irongiant> and now is sitting at google screen
[06:42] <nhaines> irongiant: in that case, yeah, should sit there for a tiny bit, then black screen, then finally welcome screen.
[06:42] <irongiant> hrmm
[06:42] <irongiant> no black screen
[06:42] <irongiant> something is mad
[06:42] <irongiant> I will futz around a bit more
[06:42] <nhaines> sean____: the problem was that you did what I said.  You should have done what I meant.  :D
[06:43] <sean____> II am always good at following a bad lead
[06:43] <pinPoint> i gotta tell you.. this @#(*&# is buggy as ^&*
[06:43] <pinPoint> i cannot even set my timezone... there is no OK button anywhere
[06:44] <pinPoint> how is this stable really?
[06:44] <nhaines> pinPoint: there is no "OK" button involved in setting your time zone.
[06:44] <nhaines> You tap the appropriate timezone and it's automatically set.
[06:44] <pinPoint> my time is still wrong even after picking my location
[06:44] <nhaines> I'll bet it isn't once the minute rolls over.
[06:46] <pinPoint> where is this manage addressbook .py file at?
[06:46] <nhaines> pinPoint: I don't know.
[06:47] <pinPoint> my time is 6:43am FOR the last 3 minutes?
[06:47] <pinPoint> does that even make any sense at all?
[06:47] <nhaines> Is your time zone listed correctly under System Settings > Date and Time?
[06:48] <duflu> pinPoint: Perhaps... https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+filebug
[06:49] <pinPoint> UTC-7
[06:49] <pinPoint> which is NOT 6:43am... im still stuck in time...
[06:49] <pinPoint> man, sounds to me like Im going back to android 4.3.1
[06:50] <nhaines> pinPoint: I would reboot.
[06:50] <elopio> ping didrocks, or somebody who knows: when are we going to make the images based on t ?
[06:50] <elopio> I need to use some autopilot features that will not be released on saucy.
[06:51] <didrocks> elopio: when T opens, the first builds will be only syncs from debian though
[06:51] <didrocks> elopio: so expect Tuesday/Wednesday
[06:51] <didrocks> elopio: there is no landing ask for autopilot btw, can you get upstream filing one?
[06:51] <nhaines> elopio: about a month from now.
[06:51] <elopio> didrocks: hum, that's sooner than what I expected :D Thanks.
[06:51] <nhaines> didrocks: I've been misled!  :D
[06:51] <didrocks> elopio: yw ;)
[06:51] <didrocks> nhaines: a month will be for the stable channel
[06:52] <didrocks> not the devel/proposed
[06:52] <nhaines> didrocks: works for me.
[06:52] <elopio> didrocks: what's landing ask? I'm not sure what should I file.
[06:53] <didrocks> elopio: your manager should handle it, just ask him to request autopilot to land (if they tested it, pass all tests, don't regress, and so on… :))
[06:54] <irongiant> nhaines: Moment of truth: Got to black screent his time.
[06:54] <elopio> didrocks: ack.
[06:54] <nhaines> irongiant: I'm crossing my fingers!
[06:54] <pinPoint> man...
[06:55]  * pinPoint I cannot take this anymore.. i'm getting frustrated... I just want to import a simple .csv file...
[06:55] <pinPoint> ugh
[06:55] <pinPoint> this is not worth the trouble
[06:55] <nhaines> pinPoint: I understand you're frustrated, but this is a phone development platform.
[06:55] <irongiant> oh snap
[06:55] <irongiant> its ubuntu up in here
[06:55] <nhaines> Maybe it's better if you switch back to Android for a while longer until the tablet story is better defined.
[06:56] <nhaines> pinPoint: Ubuntu will always be around to try later.
[06:56] <irongiant> Thanks for your patience nhaines. ps if it comes in handy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install - Manual directs
[06:57] <irongiant> is what worked for me
[06:57] <irongiant> much faster too
[06:57] <irongiant> like 5 mins excluding downloads
[06:57] <nhaines> irongiant: I'm glad it worked for you. :)
[07:08] <sean____> Well.. I edited the file you origannly gave me and changed the ownership to me, but alas it is still not recognizing the device..
[07:10] <sean____> the phone now has an error at the bottom fastboot command read error 214 7483647
[07:12] <FK_nero> hello
[07:13] <nhaines> sean____: see if you can flash Android, then restart with 'phablet-flash'.  I've done that successfully before.
[07:14] <nhaines> FK_nero: hello!
[07:14] <FK_nero> like this abuntu touch was really looking for word too  it  but then  is  only for nexus and samsung nexus     so fas the is  for not  2
[07:15] <FK_nero>   and that  ubuntu wiki  havend bin updated   since 26.9.2013
[07:15] <sean____> no joy.. still not seeing the device.. I am still getting the same errors. It's weird. I had the phone working earlier, but it was really slow, so all I did was factory reset the phone through the bootloader.. It just never came back on again
[07:16] <nhaines> sean____: something probably got clobbered.  Do you have a Windows install?  Due to USB subsystem differences, adb doesn't have the same trouble communicating on Windows.
[07:17] <nhaines> FK_nero: the source code is available to anyone who would like to port Ubuntu to other phones.  There's nothing further we can do besides that.
[07:17] <sean____> I do, but not until tomorrow.. I really appreciate all of your help this evening.. Thank you
[07:17] <nhaines> sean____: you're welcome.  Sorry we couldn't get it working!
[07:18] <sean____> I blame Murphy's law
[07:18] <FK_nero> thx    any  one  no how ubuntu touch working on  samsung galaxy note 3
[07:18] <nhaines> Probably not.  It just came out.
[07:18] <SeenD> hi guys. I was just going through the install steps to install it on my nexus4, i dont use it as a main phone but developer. Anyhow, can I also install it with OSX? Or do I have to have ubuntu installed
[07:19] <nhaines> SeenD: you can follow the manual install steps listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install or you can use an Ubuntu 13.10 DVD or USB stick to boot from and install.
[07:19] <nhaines> I'd probably go for live USB system.
[07:20] <SeenD> yeah was also thinking about usb live disk
[07:20] <SeenD> ok thanks
[07:21] <nhaines> SeenD: it'll save some hassle.  If you're going to be angry at software, it may as well be Ubuntu on your phone, not the install process.  :)
[07:22] <SeenD> i was hoping I missed the osx install page. :)
[07:22] <nhaines> Nope!  :)  Although I *have* heard that phablet-flash runs on OS X, since it's just Python.
[07:22] <SeenD> haha thx for the warning
[07:23] <SeenD> yeah thats what i figured as well. but ill just make a usb live drive and do it that way.
[07:24] <nhaines> SeenD: It's the sane thing to do.  :)  Once it's installed anyway, you can update on the phone itself.
[07:24] <SeenD> thx for helping nhaines... cheers :)
[07:24] <nhaines> My pleasure.  :)
[07:26] <ben___> hi
[07:26] <SeenD> any version recommended 12.04 or 13.10?
[07:26] <ben___> I need some help
[07:26] <nhaines> SeenD: definitely 13.10.
[07:26] <Guest60063> can anyone help me??
[07:27] <SeenD> ok
[07:27] <nhaines> !question
[07:28] <Guest60063> i am trying to install ubuntu touch on my quoad core hisesense sero 7 pro tablet,but ubuntu from my pc is not recognize my tablet
[07:28] <Guest60063> hisense
[07:29] <nhaines> That device isn't supported by Ubuntu.  Is there a community port available?
[07:29] <Guest60063> i tried from the official ubuntu touch site...
[07:29] <Guest60063> can you recomand something else??
[07:30] <nhaines> No, because the Hisense Sero 7 Pro tablet isn't supported.
[07:30] <Guest60063> ok
[07:30] <Guest60063> thanks
[07:30] <nhaines> Sorry.  Maybe someone will work on a port.  Check XDADevelopers forum.
[07:30] <Guest60063> ok
[07:43] <magnetic_man> So if i'm correct the current status is i can flash this on my phone, and won't have to re-flash everytime there's an update but can instead update from the phone? Or are we not there yet?
[07:45] <popey> magnetic_man: we have OTA updates
[07:45] <Jeffrey> just to be sure, the file generated by 'adb backup -apk -shared -all' will create a backup of everything (apps, data, shared storage, etc) that I can restore later on?
[07:45] <popey> however, how many of those updates there will be is currently up for discussion
[07:46] <nhaines> Jeffrey: everything except call log, contacts, messages, and email settings.
[07:46] <nhaines> popey: I vote you should build a new update every 4 hours.
[07:46] <Jeffrey> if I include -system, will that be included as well, or is that not recommended?
[07:46] <nhaines> That way everything stays fresh!
[07:47] <popey> I agree! I'll press the button, you provide the people and hardware. Make it so.
[07:47] <Jeffrey> wait, -system is default
[07:47] <nhaines> Jeffrey: that's how I backup.  It's not included.  :(
[07:47] <nhaines> popey: I decree we'll just use the Cloud!
[07:47] <popey> To the cloud!
[07:48] <Jeffrey> nhaines, oke. should not be a problem I think. Contacts are synced via my gmail, and I don't care about text messages. Email will be restore when I add the account again
[07:48] <nhaines> Jeffrey: don't forget call logs. :)
[07:49] <nhaines> It's all pretty simple.  Even most app settings and data will be restored.
[07:49] <Jeffrey> nhaines, thanks. Don't really use them that much so I can lose them :)
[07:49] <Jeffrey> allright, thanks
[07:49] <nhaines> Jeffrey: no problem.  :)
[07:49] <Jeffrey> going to run the backup now, and install touch
[07:50] <nhaines> Jeffrey: backup takes a depressingly long time, and so does restore.  But now you know you'll always be able to switch back.  :)  Good luck!
[07:50] <Jeffrey> wouldn't it be easier to root the device and create a full system image then?
[07:51] <nhaines> Jeffrey: only if you know that rooting won't wipe your data.
[07:52] <nhaines> Also, I suspect a full system image takes a while to run anyway.
[07:52] <magnetic_man> popey: ok thank you. going to give it a try on my galaxy nexus :) (was a while ago since i last tested it)
[07:52] <Jeffrey> good point. I'm still used to my old device which was rooted, and where I installed a new ROM every other week :) I could get it up and running within 20 minutes :p
[07:53] <Jeffrey> I'll go for the 'official' way now, and let you know how it went
[07:53] <nhaines> Sounds good.  :)
[07:53] <siggi> magnetic_man: its not really for production use. (imho)
[07:55] <magnetic_man> I understand. I do have a newer phone now i use so the nexus is just here catching dust. Why not use it to flash ubuntu touch? ;)
[07:55] <siggi> good ;)
[07:57] <jalcine> anyone toy around with a wifi direct/dlna app?
[08:07] <abtekk> Hey. So how is i9100 coming along?
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Anti-Slavery Day! :-D
[08:31] <abtekk> Morning.
[08:32] <nhaines> Yay?
[08:45] <asad2005> Is ubuntu touch officially released for N4 and anyone tried it yet?
[08:47] <nhaines> asad2005: Ubuntu 13.10 came out yesterday, and yes, hundreds of people have been using it for months.
[08:48] <abtekk> Is i9100 still under active dev?
[08:48] <nhaines> abtekk: you'll have to find the community around that port and ask them.
[08:50] <abtekk> Couldn't find any page or forum or channel for the i9100.
[08:50] <abtekk> Saying that, I just found it.
[08:50] <nhaines> yay!
[08:51] <asad2005> nhaines: And how about apps can i use all android apps?
[08:52] <abtekk> xD
[08:52] <abtekk> I doubt it, Ubuntu isn't Android.
[08:52] <nhaines> asad2005: no, you can use Ubuntu apps.
[08:52] <nhaines> You can use zero android apps.
[08:52] <popey> we don't currently support running native android apps
[08:52] <asad2005> nhaines: Actually i tried it several months back and it was far from complete
[08:52] <nhaines> asad2005: it came out yesterday.
[08:53] <asad2005> So only limited amount of apps available now
[08:53] <abtekk> Ubuntu touch is still young, it's bound to be limited for now.
[08:54] <YuK> Yeh! I got it for N4
[08:54] <YuK> Alarm phablet-flash: Installation is taking too long.
[08:54] <YuK> But finally fished.
[08:55] <yang_> I am still downloading...
[08:55] <abtekk> How long is Galaxy Nexus likely to last?
[08:55] <abtekk> support, I mean.
[08:55] <YuK> My N4 back to basic phone.
[08:55] <nhaines> abtekk: at least until 14.04, I suspect.
[08:56] <abtekk> Sounds good. I need to get rid of my i9100, might see if I can get a G Nexus instead.
[08:56] <yang_> how about the functionality? I mean ... those google service...
[08:56] <asad2005> Anyone have a link to a review youtube for N4 with the released ubuntu-touch
[08:57] <abtekk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL9g-v4ngqE
[08:57] <abtekk> Try searching yourself.
[08:57] <abtekk> Don't be lazy.
[08:58] <nhaines> asad2005: the Nexus 4 was the reference phone for the Ubuntu 13.10 images.  Ubuntu works better on it than on the Galaxy Nexus.
[08:58] <nhaines> yang_: what about the functionality?
[08:58] <abtekk> I can't afford a Nexus 4 otherwise I would get that instead :P.
[08:59] <nhaines> abtekk: neither the Galaxy Nexus nor the Nexus 4 are being sold by Google anymore.
[08:59] <abtekk> I know, I'd get it second hand.
[09:06] <a> hi
[09:07] <Guest11055> hi
[09:09] <asad2005> Can i install essential apps like whatsapp, twitter, facebook, runkeeper?
[09:22] <spazzymoto> asad2005: facebook and twitter are there. whatsapp no
[09:29] <asad2005> Thanks i am still googling for a review for the released version, the latest i saw is a week old
[09:32] <Jeffrey> any indication how long installation on a nexus 4 could be. Currently in this phase: INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes.
[09:33] <spazzymoto> Jeffrey: Mine took 10-15mins but longer isnt unheard of. just give it some time
[09:33] <Jeffrey> allright. Just wondering :)
[09:34] <spazzymoto> Will prob reboot to google logo, sit for awhile and reboot and load os
[09:35] <xnox> Jeffrey: no more than ~10min
[09:35] <xnox> (since you are past downloading)
[09:37] <Jeffrey> oke
[09:38] <Jeffrey> error, taking too long. Device somehow got turned off completely
[09:38] <Jeffrey> oh wait
[09:38] <Jeffrey> I do see ubuntu
[09:39] <Jeffrey> weird
[09:39] <xnox> it boots to black screen that you need to unlock?! =)
[09:39] <Jeffrey> aha!
[09:39] <Jeffrey> thats it
[09:44] <looool> So yesterdays release didn't show any love to nexus 10? Or am I missing something?
[09:51] <Guest63590> Hi, is WiFi really supposed to work on the Galaxy? Because it keeps asking for the password that I've entered multiple times already...
[09:52] <mike1986> happened to me too, keep trying
[09:52] <Jeffrey> mine does not ask for a password at all
[09:52] <Guest63590> ok, so it's actually not ready yet...
[09:54] <ogra_> Guest63590, it is supposed to work, file a bug
[09:54] <vladest> hi
[09:54] <vladest> why it so slow in Nexus?
[09:55] <vladest> it was much faster before XMir update, afaik
[09:55] <ogra_> Guest63590, if you cant get it to work, try a reboot (hold power for >4sec, wait 30sec, power on again)
[09:55] <ogra_> vladest, XMir ?
[09:55] <ogra_> there is no X on the phones :)
[09:55] <ogra_> (and no XMir either :) )
[09:55] <vladest> ok, just Mir
[09:56] <ogra_> is this a galaxy nexus you refer to ?
[09:56] <vladest> anyway, it looks slower
[09:56] <vladest> yep
[09:56] <ogra_> yeah, there are two bugs with the driver, but fixes are in the works
[09:56] <vladest> ogra_: performance related?
[09:57] <ogra_> yes
[09:57] <vladest> ah, ok. will wait then. thanks
[09:57] <ogra_> currently the driver sends a kernel uevent for evey vsync ... (thats 60 events per second or so)
[09:57] <ogra_> that eats performance ...
[09:58] <ogra_> (and driveds udev a bit nuts ... )
[09:58] <vladest> does it still uses surfaceflinger?>
[09:58] <ogra_> no
[09:58] <ogra_> nexus4 and galaxy nexus use Mir by default
[09:59] <vladest> ok, thanks
[09:59] <vladest> would nice to get it on sony devices
[10:00] <ogra_> well, thats a matter of the community porters
[10:00] <ogra_> iirc there are some pretty active xperia ports (for one tablet and one of the phones, dunno which)
[10:01] <ogra_> oh
[10:01] <ogra_> so many new apps
[10:01] <ogra_> nice !
[10:04] <magnetic_man> is there already something for google talk or jabber?
[10:04] <ogra_> nope
[10:04] <ogra_> or wait, the frieds app might do jabber
[10:04] <ogra_> not sure
[10:04] <magnetic_man> hmm, i need some other communication method than SMS :p
[10:05] <ogra_> write an app ;)
[10:05] <ogra_> its easy
[10:05] <magnetic_man> well it could be an option to try out my skills
[10:06] <vladest> btw, any chance to get Qt Quick Controls working on Ubuntu Phone?
[10:07] <vladest> want to mort couple of my apps
[10:07] <vladest> want to port couple of my apps
[10:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:10] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm all upset, my phone is now officially boring, no updates ;)
[10:10] <magnetic_man> what is the proper way to navigate back within an app? installation just completed, and in settings for example, i apparently have to swipe up from the bottom, and tap 'back'
[10:11] <t1mp> magnetic_man: yes that is the proper way
[10:11] <ogra_> davmor2, not true, there were like ten new apps added to the store over night
[10:11] <magnetic_man> ok. not very intuitive i believe. or it just takes some getting used to
[10:11] <davmor2> ogra_: I know I have most of them install from last night :P  Play catchup man :D
[10:11] <siggi> magnetic_man: yes. that really sucks.
[10:12] <ogra_> haha
[10:12] <t1mp> magnetic_man: there are some improvements coming that will automatically show the toolbar when a new screen is displayed
[10:12] <magnetic_man> ok cool
[10:13] <magnetic_man> i love the swiping though. left right top bottom
[10:13] <t1mp> :)
[10:13] <davmor2> ogra_: random cats should of won the apps championship though :D
[10:13] <ogra_> magnetic_man, its awful when going back to an android phone :)
[10:13]  * ogra_ wants to swipe there all the time 
[10:13] <magnetic_man> if only i had a more snappier phone than my old galaxy nexus
[10:13] <magnetic_man> haha
[10:14] <siggi> ogra_: on a galaxy nexus, u have to choose android ;)
[10:14] <magnetic_man> it's also a good thing a little tutorial got added after first boot (compared to the last time i tried it out)
[10:14] <ogra_> davmor2, well, it was the first app that was added after release ... i think thats honor enough ;)
[10:14] <davmor2> ogra_: ditto
[10:14] <ogra_> siggi, i use ubutnu quite happily on mine
[10:15] <siggi> ogra_: how? it's so slow
[10:15] <siggi> :)
[10:15] <davmor2> ogra_: although I did break it but hey that's what I do
[10:15] <ogra_> i'm a patient person :)
[10:15] <siggi> i used it 20 minutes. crashed 3 times
[10:15] <ogra_> siggi, i have seen the gnex through its different  development stages ... belive me, it can be even slower :)
[10:16] <magnetic_man> haha
[10:16] <ogra_> (and i'm confident it will be as fast as the n4 soon)
[10:16] <magnetic_man> so there's a chance it will get faster than this eventually?
[10:16] <ogra_> (or at least close to that)
[10:16] <siggi> and for now, the screen is black, the power button isnt working and it's something about 50°C. hmm
[10:16] <davmor2> siggi: works as fast as android does here, infact initial navigation and search is faster in my opinion and I've been breaking the phone often enough to know
[10:16] <magnetic_man> comparing it to android it's day and night
[10:17] <ogra_> davmor2, well, you got used to it ... remove ~/.display-mir and reboot ... that will teach you :P
[10:17] <siggi> imho it's far away from daily use.. i cant understand the 1.0 version number ;)
[10:18] <magnetic_man> this was mainly what i hated about my Nokia N900 back in the day: the OS was brilliant, but the hardware just wasn't able to keep up.
[10:18] <ogra_> siggi, its a stable base for app devs... and on the n4 it is seriously usable as day to day driver
[10:18] <siggi> ogra_: ok. maybe i should flash it to my n4
[10:19] <davmor2> ogra_: no I meant in comparison to android on the same device, I know SF is faster and more stable for graphics for Ubuntu
[10:19] <davmor2> ogra_: I had to use android on it for a weekend and that felt really slow
[10:20] <ogra_> siggi, the main purpose of this 1.0 was really to get all the bits and pieces in place, so we dont have moving parts in teh foundation in 14.04, nothing got really optimized yet ...
[10:20] <siggi> ah ok.
[10:21] <ogra_> and since we have kind of a rolling release you have a starting point as user to get OTA updates that will fix all the bugs over time
[10:22] <davmor2> siggi: Think of a house, you need good foundations before you can build the bit you live in.  1.0 is the foundations, We can start the bit you live with now :)
[10:23] <ogra_> right, there are som walls and interieur missing in our house, but we have a roof, walls, working toilet and a matrass
[10:24]  * spazzymoto is impressed with your roof, walls, working toilet and a matrass
[10:24] <ogra_> :)
[10:25] <davmor2> spazzymoto: well we did go with polish marble, and the mattress that was just right
[10:25] <jdrab> lol ogra_ and what exactly is th working toilet? :D
[10:26] <siggi> ogra_: so, the maingoal is, that ubuntu touch is ready for daily use in 14.04?
[10:26] <jdrab> siggi: i think it depends on you "daily use workflow"
[10:26] <ogra_> siggi, well, as i said, i would consider n4 to be ready ... the main goal is to get gnex to the same state in the first few T images
[10:27] <ogra_> and then finish all the unpolished features
[10:27] <spazzymoto> been using it on n4 for 2 days as daily and very happy already
[10:31] <Emery> ogra_, You main goal needs to be the nexus 7 ;)
[10:32] <ogra_> Emery, if we only could replace the tegra inside :)
[10:33] <Emery> the gfx hardware is fantastic
[10:33] <ogra_> yes, just the drivers arent
[10:34] <ogra_> they are missing features Mir needs
[10:34] <ogra_> and sin/ce they are binary there isnt much one can do
[10:34] <Emery> those excellent people at nvidia will surely help you out !
[10:35] <ogra_> heh
[10:35] <Emery> I'm finding the battery life 100% better with ubuntu touch
[10:35] <Emery> than android 4.3
[10:35] <ogra_> great
[10:35] <Emery> I got 12 hours out of my nexus
[10:40] <Emery> ogra_, Any luck with sound / camera ?
[10:40] <Emery> be cool if I could compile via terminal on ubuntu touch
[10:40] <ogra_> i thought sound works ?
[10:40] <Emery> sec let me test, last i read it didnt
[10:41] <ogra_> you can, but need to make the image writable (which makes you lose OTA upgrades and apt updrades will run out of space at some point)
[10:42] <Emery> how much freedom with the terminal are we looking at towards the actual release ?
[10:45] <davmor2> Emery: sound now works on the n7 the camera kind works badly once and then doesn't any more.
[10:46] <Emery> Yeah I just get a black screen, camera isnt too pressing if I'm honest
[10:46] <Emery> The system seems pretty stable now
[10:48] <OrokuSaki> Same here on my TP
[10:48] <Emery> saying that it just crashed lol
[10:49] <OrokuSaki> That is one thing, my tablet seems to get AWESOME battery life in UT
[10:49] <OrokuSaki> doesn't make sense
[10:50] <Emery> because android is poorly optimised for battery life
[10:50] <Emery> the stock firmware anyway
[10:56] <Emery> new apps keep appearing in suggested, which is nice
[10:58] <SeenD> hmm keep on getting an error. Using usb live ubuntu. And I can't sudo apt get install phablet tools... It says unable to locate package phablet tools
[11:00] <ogra_> SeenD, a 13.10 live session ?
[11:00] <Emery> SeenD, Have you added the ppa ?
[11:00] <ogra_> for former releases the stuff is in the PPA
[11:01] <SeenD> yes 13.10 and I added the ppa, the key is installed
[11:01] <Emery> apt-get update ?
[11:01] <Emery> then install
[11:01] <ogra_> you dont want the PPA on 13.10
[11:01] <ogra_> phablet-tools is in the archive there
[11:01] <SeenD> i did update and install
[11:02] <SeenD> but it cant locate package phablet tools
[11:02] <Emery> ogra_, the ppa does work 13.10
[11:02] <ogra_> Emery, it wont be used ... indeed it doesnt break anything, its just pointelss to set it up in this case
[11:02] <SeenD> ok
[11:02] <Emery> I concor
[11:02] <Emery> concur
[11:03] <SeenD> so i dont need it?
[11:03] <ogra_> right
[11:03] <Emery> SeenD, Pastebin the output
[11:03] <ogra_> it wont do harm to have it either though
[11:05] <ogra_> do you have universe enabled ? (not sure if thats switched on in the live session)
[11:05] <SeenD> I dont know
[11:05] <Emery> ogra_, I've noticed these twitter & fb apps are just links to the site, any plans for native apps ?
[11:05] <SeenD> i have an idea it's a rights issue
[11:05] <SeenD> www.pastebin.com/BqY7ukEu
[11:06] <ogra_> Emery, if the companies write them ... we cant just do that, the names and logos are trademarked
[11:06] <Emery> Ah !
[11:06] <Emery> So I COULD in theory write my own
[11:06] <Emery> LegBook
[11:06] <Emery> or something
[11:06] <Emery> lol
[11:07] <ogra_> we used to have some community person work on a twitter app, but twitter asked for that to be stopped if the logo and name are used
[11:07] <ogra_> right
[11:07] <Emery> pretty dickish
[11:07] <ogra_> the apps we ship we want to have the proper logos ... which we are allowed to for the web apps
[11:07] <SeenD> Universe wasnt enabled, but I cant enable it either... :S
[11:07] <ogra_> hmm. you should be able to
[11:08] <ogra_> worst case by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and removing the # from the right line
[11:08] <SeenD> oh now it is enabled... it only said close and revert
[11:08] <SeenD> ok so apt update and upgrade and try again?
[11:08] <ogra_> update should be enough
[11:09] <SeenD> it is working! :D <3
[11:09] <ogra_> if you used the GUI it should actually have done that in background already
[11:09] <ogra_> awesome
[11:09] <Emery> dist-upgrade i'd only use if you dont use the updater
[11:09] <SeenD> so universe isnt enabled in live usb
[11:09] <ogra_> right, it gest enabled during installation
[11:10] <ogra_> (teh sources.list gets freshly generated during install)
[11:10] <Emery> SeenD, Install in a VM
[11:10] <Emery> yeah it removed CD sources etc
[11:10] <Emery> removes*
[11:10] <ogra_> Emery, he wanst direct USB device access for flashing
[11:10] <ogra_> VMs can be a pain with that
[11:10] <ogra_> *wants
[11:10] <Emery> heh 5 VMware handles USB pretty well
[11:10] <Emery> i've flashed many an iphone via vmware > win 7
[11:11] <Emery> my typing skills are awful
[11:12] <SeenD> ok now on step 4 :)
[11:18] <SeenD> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --n-backup
[11:18] <SeenD> gives an error: command adb shell returned non-zero exit status 255
[11:18] <ubumobile> can i use ubuntu mobile 13.10 without ubuntu one account?
[11:19] <siggi> ubumobile: yes
[11:19] <ubumobile> siggi: 10x. It is the first smartphone system that does not require registration, right?
[11:19] <SeenD> it worked, forgot to accept host key
[11:21] <siggi> ubumobile: i cant agree or disagree :) because i just can tell you, at the moment u dont need an ubuntu one account
[11:21] <Emery> SeenD, I had that with my nexus 7, dont do it in recovery mode, boot into android and run the phablet
[11:21] <SeenD> Emery, I did, turned on developer usb after rebooting but forgot to accept the key, now it is working, almost done flashing
[11:22] <Emery> yeah it's a bit touchy some times
[11:22] <SeenD> living on the edge :)
[11:26] <Emery> if it's not bleeding edge it isn't worth the time
[11:26] <Emery> ;)
[11:30] <SeenD> is it normal that phablet flash takes a loooooooong time?
[11:30] <Emery> do you see the android man ?
[11:30] <SeenD> screen is black
[11:30] <Emery> has it rebooted after the flash ?
[11:31] <Emery> the boot takes a little bit of time
[11:31] <SeenD> screen is black for 5 minutes. shall i pastebin the screen?
[11:32] <SeenD> www.pastebin.com/svuKZxv7
[11:32] <wcolato> hi there! Any news about new ubuntu on s4 phones?
[11:33] <Emery> SeenD, Yeah I'd just wait
[11:33] <Emery> IT takes a while
[11:34] <SeenD> ok
[11:34] <SeenD> between 5 and 40 minutes? :)
[11:34] <Emery> Mine took 10 minutes in total
[11:34] <Emery> but i'm not sure what that depends on, variables etc
[11:35] <SeenD> I missed the last line on the webpage... "This step can take a very long time."
[11:35] <Emery> Yeah but as I said I'm not sure what can/can't make it take a long time
[11:35] <Emery> Cause mine was pretty quick
[11:35] <SeenD> nexus 4?
[11:38] <Emery> nexus 7
[11:40] <OrokuSaki> lol.. people coming out of the woodwork. =)
[11:41] <OrokuSaki> @ogra... you know if they are still working on media and video decoding stuff? Thought I would give it a break for a couple of days
[11:41] <OrokuSaki> Birds chiping, sun rising.. clouds.. =)
[11:42] <SeenD> doh
[11:42] <SeenD> Error: phablet-flash: Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way. :S
[11:43] <Emery> SeenD, What command did you use
[11:43] <Emery> to flash
[11:44] <SeenD> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[11:44] <Proaam> Hey, I'm running Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Nexus. I managed to get into the settings app once.. but i don't know how :) is there a manual? and when I enter one of the sub screens of the settings app, how do I return to its main menu screen?
[11:44] <SeenD> I turned the device on and off and it now is booted in ubuntu touch...
[11:44] <OrokuSaki> take your finger and swipe in an upwards direction at the bottom of settings
[11:44] <OrokuSaki> should bring out a back menu
[11:44] <SeenD> but the terminal gave an error
[11:45] <Proaam> orokusaki well i get the menu but pressing stuff on it doesn't work
[11:45] <OrokuSaki> Could be a touch issue, I have that on my device lately, and lately it has gotten worse
[11:45] <OrokuSaki> Touch an area by the time.. at the top right
[11:46] <OrokuSaki> try swiping down on the speaker
[11:46] <OrokuSaki> do you notice it acts like its going to come down, but doesn't? Like it thinks you lifted your finger but yo havent
[11:46] <Proaam> just a sec, i rebooted the phone b/c I changed the language, now it is stuck at the battery charger thing
[11:46] <Proaam> even though i disconnected the usb cable. I think i have to remove the battery
[11:47] <OrokuSaki> I believe Mir and Input had some confusion over my tracking id's... and touchscreen
[11:47] <OrokuSaki> I enabled debugging for my touchscreen service binary for my device.. but I haven't really messed with it
[11:48] <OrokuSaki> Seems to be better with debugging enabled... And Mir seems to give me more info in logcat then surface flinger...
[11:48] <hello-there> Hi, I have a query .. can someone please tell me.
[11:48] <hello-there> It says networking only via wifi....
[11:48] <OrokuSaki> That query is not SQL compliant
[11:48] <hello-there> does this mean no 3G on Nexus 4 ?
[11:48] <Emery> SeenD, you should use -d first time, ogra_ am I right ?
[11:49] <Proaam> hello-there: GSM networking works on my galaxy nexus
[11:49] <OrokuSaki> Dunno myself.. may have to do with cdma/gsm
[11:49] <OrokuSaki> I don't think cdma is workin g
[11:49] <SeenD> Emery, http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install I just used this
[11:49] <hello-there> OK ..Rephrasing ....Does GSM networking include 3G ?
[11:50] <Emery> Yeah I had issues with flashing, I used the -d command first time and it worked fine
[11:50] <Emery> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup -d
[11:50] <Emery> i THINK
[11:50] <SeenD> ok
[11:50] <Emery> i don't think you can use the --no-backup command with -d though
[11:51] <SeenD> well the terminal gave an error, but my nexus 4 booted to ubuntu touch
[11:51] <Proaam> so how do i launch the (white background) settings app in the first place?
[11:51] <SeenD> not sure how I can confirm if everything was fine
[11:51] <OrokuSaki> Click settings on the main screen as an app
[11:51] <Emery> Go to system settings > about this phone SeenD
[11:52] <Emery> under OS it should say ubuntu 13.10 (r100)
[11:52] <hello-there> Does 3G work on Nexus 4 Please ?
[11:52] <Emery> that means you have the latest build
[11:52] <OrokuSaki> Does UT make pancakes? I need it to.
[11:52] <Proaam> OrokuSaki how do i go to system settings
[11:53] <OrokuSaki> You should see a settings app... right when you go into Unity
[11:53] <hello-there> Does 3G work on Nexus 4 on GSM Please ?
[11:53] <Proaam> no i only see dialer, messaging, contacts, camera, gallery, facebook
[11:53] <hello-there> YES  / NO  ??
[11:53] <Emery> hello-there, If anyone knows the answer they will answer, don't spam
[11:53] <OrokuSaki> Hmm.. swipe to the right
[11:53] <hello-there> ok ..ok ...sorry
[11:53] <OrokuSaki> Click on Installed
[11:53] <SeenD> Emery it seems to be stuck on the battery screen, not sure how to go to other settings
[11:54] <SeenD> swiped from left to go to settings
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> It should show more apps that are installed, in this list, do you see settings?
[11:54] <SeenD> tapped setting and it's now on battery
[11:54] <Proaam> orokusaki i see it now when i click on "Applications" selector (without the selector changing)
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> sweet
[11:54] <Proaam> so it expanded
[11:54] <Laney> SeenD: swipe up from the bottom and click on back
[11:54] <Emery> SeenD, if you swipe up from the bottom
[11:54] <Emery> ^
[11:54] <Proaam> is there a way to speed up all those fades? they are too slow
[11:54] <OrokuSaki> I swear UT thinks I am a phone... Just because of the terminal and my keyboard being sideways if its in sidestage..
[11:55] <OrokuSaki> Terminal and one other app does that, browser always has the keyboard correct.
[11:55] <SeenD> is there a jira for bugs? :)
[11:55] <Proaam> oh has anyone tried HDMI via MHL with ubuntu touch?
[11:55] <Proaam> i have an adapter here..
[11:55] <Emery> SeenD, Speak to ogra_ I'm not sure who else is a dev
[11:55] <OrokuSaki> Someone was mentioning that... I think that is a 14.04 thing
[11:55] <OrokuSaki> Oh.. yeah!
[11:56] <OrokuSaki> The HDMI was mirrored with the LCD Screen when he tried HDMI
[11:56] <Emery> How well does the browser handle HTML5, anyone know ?
[11:56] <Emery> seen as though there is no flash etc
[11:56] <Proaam> nice. I'd prefer to have 1080p on the HDMI though instead of the 720p that are shown on the display
[11:56] <OrokuSaki> Browser seems pretty good.. UT should handle HTML5 well
[11:56] <Proaam> Emery: not sure what it is based on.. webkit i suppose?
[11:56] <Emery> youtube is a no go
[11:57] <Proaam> Emery: well video is bad currently, see release notes
[11:57] <OrokuSaki> It worked a couple of days ago with audio, then stopped after gstreamer upgrade... A guy named jhodapp is working on that stuff, and I think he is still at it
[11:57] <Emery> oh hang on
[11:57] <Proaam> so is there some kind of manual?
[11:57] <Emery> youtube works
[11:57] <OrokuSaki> lol
[11:57] <Emery> just audio
[11:57] <Emery> though
[11:57] <Emery> lol
[11:57] <OrokuSaki> YAY!
[11:58] <OrokuSaki> that makes me SOOO HAPPY!
[11:58] <OrokuSaki> What device do you have Emery?
[11:58] <Emery> nexus 7
[11:58] <OrokuSaki> Sweet! So when the Nexus7 can play vids, I might be able to
[11:58] <OrokuSaki> <~~~~ HP Touchpad =)
[11:58] <SeenD> Emery I'm in the settings screen now, how can I confirm if the install worked? :)
[11:58] <Emery> yeah most things dont work in the 7 compared to other devices but it's sweet
[11:59] <Emery> SeenD, About phone
[11:59] <Proaam> OrokuSaki: The thing on the main screen that I have to touch the "Applications" thing to make it show 3 rows instead of 2 rows.. is quite non-intuitive because there is no indicator that it is only displaying 2 rows of apps
[11:59] <Emery> see if you have r100 installed, that's latest
[11:59] <SeenD> yup it is
[11:59] <Emery> it worked cause you're using it ;)
[11:59] <SeenD> so how can I enter the pin to use my sim card?
[11:59] <Emery> that i'm not sure on, as I have a nexus 7
[11:59] <Proaam> Seend: I know that :)
[11:59] <Proaam> Seend: swipe down
[11:59] <SeenD> yeah im just a tad scared because according to the terminal the flash failed
[12:00] <OrokuSaki> @Proaam... I dunno.. probably a little strange if your not used to the UI.. After a bit you look for that tiny arrow and it its up or down..
[12:00] <SeenD> Proaam ok
[12:00] <Proaam> seend: goto network then select "Unlock Sim..."
[12:00] <Emery> does it say what has failed
[12:01] <SeenD> Error: phablet-flash: Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[12:01] <SeenD> but i turned on my nexus4 and it booted to ubuntu touch
[12:01] <SeenD> so it appears to be working fine
[12:01] <Proaam> OrokuSaki: oh i see it now.. now the title of the thing next to the arrow changed to "Installed" (it was "Applications" earlier) and now it shows Dash-extensions below the apps
[12:02] <OrokuSaki> Yep.. just takes a bit to get used too...
[12:02] <Emery> SeenD, Don't worry about it. lol
[12:02] <Proaam> OrokuSaki: looks like a bug to me ;)
[12:02] <SeenD> woo
[12:02] <OrokuSaki> lol.... submit it =)
[12:02] <SeenD> just made my first phone call
[12:02] <OrokuSaki> Woot Woot!
[12:02] <asac> nice
[12:02] <Proaam> phone calls work great
[12:03] <SeenD> :D
[12:03] <Proaam> no i need to figure out how to sync my contacts and calendar (carddav + caldav)
[12:03] <Proaam> no->now
[12:03]  * ogra_ got stuck at playing stuff from m.softgames.de ... 
[12:03] <SeenD> thx guys for helping me! <3
[12:03] <Emery> w0rd
[12:04] <ogra_> if you are eager to package an app, each of these games should be easily packageable as a hrml5 click app
[12:04] <ogra_> *html
[12:04] <Proaam> the thing that was unintuitive for me at first was swiping from left to right all the way to get to the main screen
[12:04] <Proaam> i guess it's because it's similar to the other swipe gesture that just opens the quick launcher at the left edge
[12:05] <Emery> keyboards stopping working on my browser :)(
[12:05] <Emery> :(*
[12:06] <ogra_> Emery, go back to the home screen, tap the browser thumbnail and see if you get it back
[12:07] <Emery> i changed url and it came back
[12:08] <Emery> keeps crashing quite badly
[12:08] <OrokuSaki> I think people are a little confused about UT and the Oct. 17th deadline =)
[12:08] <Emery> ogra_, how many devs do you have working on UT
[12:08] <OrokuSaki> UT in my opinion, still has some kinks to get worked out, but they will.. and etc...
[12:08] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, it is not a deadline, its just a v1.0 stamp :)
[12:08] <OrokuSaki> Aint no thing but a chicken wang
[12:09] <OrokuSaki> Yeah! =)
[12:09] <ogra_> in fact its a start-line ;)
[12:09] <OrokuSaki> Very good analogy!
[12:09] <Laney> The warning on the website sets out the expectations well
[12:09] <OrokuSaki> Marketing.. =)
[12:09] <ogra_> and i think it is pretty awesome what we achieved in just 6 months
[12:10] <kanth1991> Hello to everyone , i was wondering the new release can only work in the Nexus devices ? or the Ports that have been made in the preview period also will work for other devices ( for example i have an xperia Neo V  will i be able to install the 1.0 in that ? )
[12:10] <OrokuSaki> I do to.. flipped them fast
[12:10] <ogra_> from prettyy pictures you can click in a cut down android to having a real OS
[12:10] <OrokuSaki> I like knowing I can run metasploit and mysql without a stupid chroot...
[12:10] <ogra_> kanth1991, the ports will have to be updated
[12:11] <OrokuSaki> From android I would usually chroot ubuntu and use it that way.. I never really like that
[12:11] <kanth1991> Ah ok , so for now there is no chance to get the new Release in my Phone , thank you ! =/
[12:11] <Emery> OrokuSaki, It would be nice to put a pentest flavour out there
[12:11] <ogra_> kanth1991, with the 1.0 version we have now porters have some non moving target they can work against
[12:11] <Emery> PwnPad is the closest on nexus, but I dont rate it
[12:11] <yahoo> i had to press ctrl + c to change internet connection. Hopefully, it has resuming feature and its downloading right now.  Just want to confirm there wont be any issue ?
[12:12] <OrokuSaki> Still don't have packet injection for out network cards... That would be just lovely.. =)
[12:12] <OrokuSaki> Though we could usb a nic in =)
[12:12] <ogra_> kanth1991, i expect that the ports (at least the ones that are actively maintained) will soon start to work as well
[12:12] <Emery> USB wireless card
[12:12] <Emery> OrokuSaki, ^
[12:12] <OrokuSaki> yeah! the carrot!
[12:12] <Emery> same Idea as the pwnpad
[12:12] <kanth1991> Excuse me Ogra but i didnt understand what u meant , u mean that The  phones that had the ports While on Preview version  will probably get the Official version soon ?
[12:13] <Emery> the drivers are readily available, specially considering it's ubuntu base
[12:13] <Emery> the possibilities for pentesting on the go are endless with the nexus pad
[12:13] <Emery> quite exciting really
[12:13] <yahoo> anyone ? :/
[12:13] <Emery> yahoo, what's the problem
[12:13] <ogra_> kanth1991, depends on the porters ... my point was that up until yesterday Ubuntu Touch was still changing a lot ... with the release they have something thats not moving all the time which makes porting easier
[12:14] <yahoo> Emery: i had to press ctrl + c to change internet connection. Hopefully, it has resuming feature and its downloading right now.  Just want to confirm there wont be any issue ?
[12:14] <Lunar_Lamp> Is there a reasonably well-supported dual-boot system for Ubuntu Phone on my Nexus 4 (so I can have a play, and go back when I need to use Android for the more complete featureset)?
[12:14] <ogra_> yahoo, you mean phablet-flash ?
[12:14] <yahoo> yeah
[12:14] <ogra_> (you should mention that too )
[12:14] <OrokuSaki> @ogra.. they are still working on Nexus 7 video decoding though, right? =)
[12:14] <ogra_> yahoo, it picks up where it stopped, nothign to worry about :)
[12:15] <yahoo> Sorry ! its my first experience
[12:15] <yahoo> sounds great !
[12:15] <ogra_> Lunar_Lamp, nope, dual boot isnt in focus atm ... might be that someone on the xda forums has something that allows this, but if it breaks you are on your own
[12:15] <OrokuSaki> I can't wait to watch a video on my browser, at this point I will hand a tablet to my wife, and say.. "Here is Ubuntu Touch, try it out"... =)
[12:16] <Emery> Lunar_Lamp, you can dual boot with MultiROM
[12:16] <Lunar_Lamp> ogra_: yeah, I was hoping there would be a semi-supported method if possible.
[12:16] <Emery> but you wont be able to use the phablet flash method
[12:16] <OrokuSaki> She still prefers webos over android, so I am interested in what she will think...
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> WebOS browser is getting dated.. So she should like this..
[12:17] <Proaam> so what's the official way to reboot UT?
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> Hold down the power button
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> Should shut down
[12:17] <ogra_> Proaam, hold the power button for more than 4sec
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> Don't know how to reboot, actually
[12:17] <Proaam> there is no popup or anything yet, right?
[12:17] <ogra_> not yet
[12:17] <Proaam> ok
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> adb shell reboot!
[12:17] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:17] <Emery> sudo reboot
[12:17] <Emery> works
[12:17] <Emery> also
[12:18] <ogra_> yeah
[12:18] <ogra_> that too
[12:18] <Proaam> when i hold the power button it does a clean shutdown?
[12:18] <yahoo> are webapps supported in 1.0 release ? i mean can i create one ? i created a simple one for ubuntu desktop
[12:19] <pmcgowan> yahoo, yes, look at the impls for gmail and twitter for examples
[12:20] <yahoo> i havent installed yet, so cant look :/
[12:20] <w-flo> Proaam, seems like it's a clean shutdown, the device is busy for a few seconds afterwards and then turns off
[12:21] <Proaam> the front camera is giving me intermittent white flashes on galaxy nexus, anyone else got that?
[12:22] <Emery> galaxy nexus ?
[12:22] <yahoo> and what about swap space
[12:22] <Proaam> Emery: maguro yes
[12:22] <Emery> ah samsung
[12:23] <ogra_> yahoo, you can even package your own very easily http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[12:23] <Proaam> best phone to play with different firmwares at the moment :)
[12:23] <Emery> not sure about it being the best phone
[12:24] <Proaam> the nexus 4 has the issue with the baseband controlling all of the phone that's why Replicant won't support it
[12:24] <Proaam> so the baseband can turn on your GPS, microphone etc without the phone OS knowing anything about it
[12:24] <Emery> I'm not much of a phone man myself, I just have an HTC crapbox
[12:24] <Emery> OrokuSaki, you here?
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> Yo!
[12:25] <Emery> what tools you got installed on the UT ?
[12:25] <Emery> is MS running native ?
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> I keep reformatting it...
[12:25] <Emery> heh
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> Ubuntu Touch runs applications written in QML
[12:25] <OrokuSaki> Or.. QT
[12:25] <Emery> wondering if I can get some sec tools integrated
[12:26] <OrokuSaki> There is no gnome or wine or etc in Ubuntu Touch
[12:26] <yahoo> ogra, i'll give it a try !
[12:26] <OrokuSaki> Its QT
[12:26] <Emery> it dont need that
[12:26] <Emery> its a linux base
[12:26] <OrokuSaki> If you remember the Nokia 900 phone... It ran maemo, it QT
[12:27] <yahoo> i loved maemo !
[12:27] <OrokuSaki> I never used it.. but I read about it.. and it sounded sweet.
[12:28] <yahoo> ogra, what about swap. Can we create one in UT ? and doesnt it make any difference or not ?
[12:29] <yahoo> ogra, what about swap. Can we create one in UT ? and does** it make any difference or not ?
[12:29] <ogra_> yahoo, swap is there atm
[12:29] <OrokuSaki> swap file?
[12:29] <ogra_> but we will drop it for the next version
[12:29] <ogra_> yes
[12:29] <yahoo> drop it ? why ?
[12:29] <OrokuSaki> What is the other besides a swap file.. tmpfs or something.. forget
[12:29] <ogra_> the design of ubuntu touch suspends and kills apps that are in the background
[12:30] <ogra_> you will never consume more ram than what the currently running app uses
[12:30] <OrokuSaki> What if I wrote an app to use 2 GB of ram.. =)
[12:30] <OrokuSaki> "Not that I can write apps, but if I did.. =)
[12:30] <ogra_> then you are insane and shoould be locked away :P
[12:30] <OrokuSaki> =) yeah...
[12:30] <yahoo> ogra_, right but if i were to use 2Gb ram for some app then ?
[12:31] <OrokuSaki> lol
[12:31] <ogra_> yahoo, well, you cant
[12:31] <ogra_> and why would you
[12:31] <OrokuSaki> So we can file a bug! lol
[12:31] <t1mp> ogra_: I can think of some use cases :)
[12:31]  * ogra_ cant really ... 
[12:31] <OrokuSaki> rofl... bad to laugh at your own jokes
[12:31] <ogra_> use disk caches :)
[12:31] <yahoo> well, if i am rrunning COD or some high-end game
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> What is a disk cache?
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:32] <t1mp> ogra_: I used to work on medical visualisation where I needed to have a whole MRI (3D volume with one or more (up to dozens) of values in each of the 1024^3 or more voxels)
[12:32] <ogra_> yahoo, how would you run a 2G game on an android phone that has 512M ?
[12:32] <t1mp> well.. maybe that is more stuff you want to run on a workstation than on a phone
[12:32] <t1mp> but it would be cool to do it on a phone :)
[12:32] <OrokuSaki> there aren't any games that need that much ram
[12:33] <yahoo> ogra_, i guess thats where swap helps
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> Can we install one of those ram doublers like I had on my 386?
[12:33] <OrokuSaki> lol
[12:33] <ogra_> t1mp, well, i guess you could cache away some stuff there or process it into bitmap images in the bg etc
[12:33] <ogra_> yahoo, android doesnt have swap
[12:33] <hello-there> Does 3G WORK on NEXUS 4 GSM PLEASE ?
[12:33] <yahoo> t1mp, yeah UT is both a phone &  a PC :P
[12:33] <ogra_> hello-there, no need to shout ... yes it does
[12:33] <ogra_> yahoo, nah, far from that
[12:34] <ogra_> yahoo, its a phone OS for now
[12:34] <t1mp> I wouldn't do analysis of such data on a phone right now. but maybe rendering the results.. still that'll pose a challenge for memory usage
[12:34] <ogra_> nothing more
[12:34] <hello-there> cheers!  tnx !!!!!!   <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
[12:34] <ogra_> :)
[12:34] <OrokuSaki> My device can run both the desktop and touch version of Ubuntu. =) muhahahaha
[12:34] <ogra_> i bet even the n4 could run the desktop version
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> One of those nexus's can
[12:35] <ogra_> you would need very tiny fingers to make any use of it though
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> Whichever has the adreno
[12:35] <yahoo> ogra, yeah but you can use swapper2, i've read on XDA
[12:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, it does, with ufa
[12:35] <OrokuSaki> Or Lima
[12:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, which is not released anywheer :)
[12:35] <pmcgowan> no sadly
[12:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, i can also run the desktop and use vnc or some such
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> Hmm... wonder if that could be done inside of UT
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> I bet it could
[12:36] <ogra_> and i bet i could even make the desktop run natively under fbdev with sw rendering
[12:36] <Emery> can you install ubuntu straight onto the nexus 7 and have it running native #?
[12:36] <OrokuSaki> When we get a vnc app
[12:36] <ogra_> would be more like a slideshof and yoou need pliers to press buttons ...
[12:36] <yahoo> ogra, oh :(  just phone OS ?
[12:36] <ogra_> but technically surely doable
[12:37] <ogra_> yahoo, yes, we need a working foundation before doing any convergent stuff
[12:37] <OrokuSaki> We need a quake port. =)
[12:37] <OrokuSaki> Every OS has quake
[12:38] <yahoo> ogra, i thought UT was just Desktop environment. so its not !
[12:38] <ogra_> no
[12:38] <ogra_> its a new OS written completely from scratch
[12:38] <ogra_> OrokuSaki, https://github.com/SiPlus/WebQuake
[12:38] <OrokuSaki> Sweet!
[12:39] <OrokuSaki> Would be cool if canonical had an app to use Desktop inside of Touch.... I guess
[12:40] <Emery> Build 42b: NN interpolation is awful
[12:40] <yahoo> what is quake
[12:40] <Emery> lol
[12:40] <Emery> yahoo it's a classic game
[12:40] <OrokuSaki> really.. what is quake?
[12:40] <OrokuSaki> *feels old*
[12:40] <Emery> so classic, it's legendary
[12:40] <Emery> on the same level as doom
[12:40] <Emery> commander keen
[12:40] <OrokuSaki> Commander Keen!
[12:41] <Emery> OrokuSaki, I bought it in steam the other week
[12:41] <Emery> all of them
[12:41] <Emery> <3
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> First game I ever played on my pc... bought a pci card with a gameport just to play it...
[12:41] <Emery> great game
[12:41] <Emery> new games are so generic and boring
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> Kings Quest!
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:41] <OrokuSaki> That is what I remember playing.. I don't think I really enjoyed it
[12:41] <Emery> oh i loved it
[12:42] <Emery> on my IBM 400mhz with windows 98
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> Barely remember all that... I liked Stunts
[12:42] <Emery> Blood
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> the racecar game
[12:42] <Emery> i think it was called
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> Descent
[12:42] <yahoo> haha, i guess i'll give it a try
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> I loved that game
[12:42] <Emery> 100% gore
[12:42] <OrokuSaki> I got good at it too..
[12:42] <Emery> and death
[12:42] <Emery> lol
[12:43] <Emery> lemmings..
[12:43] <OrokuSaki> Star Wars... Dark Forces....
[12:43] <yahoo> OS in "Ubuntu EDGE preview video" was just proof-of-concept ? i heard that was ready :(
[12:44] <OrokuSaki> Never read where UT was.. "ready"..
[12:44] <ogra_> yahoo, ubuntu EDGE never came into existence
[12:44] <ogra_> which means the OS you saw there didnt either
[12:44] <OrokuSaki> OS's are going to have bugs... This one is brand new... It's good enough to use.. but are there still some bugs??? yes
[12:45] <OrokuSaki> What hardware was in that phone?? QCom =)
[12:45] <Jeffrey> I just reinstalled the factory image, and now want to restore my backup file.. which fails :( Any idea how to solve "adb: unable to open file backup.ab"?
[12:45] <OrokuSaki> I bet it was not qcom
[12:45] <Jeffrey> I'm running "adb restore backup.ab", the file exists, phone is connected and has permissions
[12:45] <OrokuSaki> TI seems to be more friendly
[12:46] <Jeffrey> backup is encrypted with password entered on phone
[12:46] <Chipaca> yahoo: a lot of the ubuntu edge preview video was demo'ing the desktop integration aspect, no?
[12:46] <ogra_> the converged OS has a certain set of minimal requirements to be nicely usable
[12:46] <ogra_> there are no phones that offer this
[12:46] <ogra_> the edge was only a case
[12:46] <ogra_> nothing inside
[12:46] <ogra_> with the emphasis onn *demoing*
[12:46] <OrokuSaki> Conceptual
[12:47] <Chipaca> yup -- but also, that it was the desktop, not the phone, in a lot of the shots
[12:47] <yahoo> Chipaca, yeah !
[12:47] <OrokuSaki> Yeah... which led people to believe gnome would work.. I remember that.
[12:47] <OrokuSaki> "I will just load up my firefox, and etc"
[12:48] <yahoo> ogra, right !
[12:48] <OrokuSaki> Well.. shit happens
[12:48] <OrokuSaki> =)
[12:48] <Chipaca> if you're lucky
[12:48] <Chipaca> :)
[12:48] <OrokuSaki> That's right.. All I get is pcket lint
[12:49] <yahoo> ogra, motorola had some phones that did something similar, what was wrong there ?? optimization ?
[12:49] <OrokuSaki> Yahoo.. REALLY... wants that working =)
[12:49] <ogra_> yahoo, the HW was wrong :)
[12:49] <yahoo> once convergence is there, all we need is Airplay
[12:49] <OrokuSaki> sweet!
[12:50] <yahoo> HW ?
[12:50] <ogra_> yahoo, hardware
[12:50] <ogra_> you dont really want to run a full desktop with just 512M
[12:50] <ogra_> not a modern one at least
[12:50] <yahoo> did u mean home work :(
[12:51] <ogra_> and running a desktop *and* keeping the phone OS running aside is even more demanding
[12:51] <Chipaca> I was about to say, 512 is barely enough for a cut-back desktop (e.g. the ac100), but we need the phone stuff running too :)
[12:51] <ogra_> to do full convergence you want a 4GB phone with a proper SSD inside (not eMMC like most phones have)
[12:52] <Chipaca> *siighh*
[12:52] <ogra_> and a decent fast CPU
[12:53] <ogra_> without such hardware we wont even bother to start working on a converged setup ... so for now we built a fouondation that can later turn into something converged
[12:53] <yahoo_>  my internet
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> @Ogra... should my android-chroot have /sdcard?
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> I wasn't sure
[12:54] <ogra_> it wouldnt be used
[12:54] <wcolato> has anyone flashed this release on GS4?!
[12:54] <OrokuSaki> sweet, I commented out those lines in init
[12:54] <yahoo_> wcolato, i dont think thats a good idea
[12:55] <OrokuSaki> I still can't believe someone ported cm10 to the droid1.. 256MB of ram
[12:55] <OrokuSaki> Wonder if it runs UT. =)
[12:55] <yahoo_> haha
[12:56] <OrokuSaki> that phone allows one to change the ESN... Oh!
[12:56] <yahoo_> ok so 12 mins until UT will be on my phone :P
[12:57] <yahoo_> Good Bye Pana droid !
[12:58] <deiu> Have there been yet any people complaining about the keyboard not showing up in several applications?
[12:58] <yahoo_> i always degraded motorolla atrix  because i didnt know it ran ubuntu :D but even with U it sucks
[12:59] <ogra_> the hardware wasnt made for running a desktop
[13:00] <MacSlow> tedg, ping
[13:00] <tedg> MacSlow, Good morning Mr. Slow
[13:00] <tedg> :-)
[13:01] <yahoo_> ogra, right
[13:02] <yahoo_> dont worry i am not buying that phone now :P i'd rather buy G2 if UT runs on that
[13:03] <galaxys4> hello
[13:03] <Shiggs|i5-2500k>  Herro
[13:03] <Shiggs|i5-2500k> heh
[13:03] <galaxys4> need info for sgs4
[13:03] <deiu> Is there a guide somewhere on how to configure the 3G network?
[13:04] <yahoo_> ogra, output of "adb devices" is "01****** (some numbers)     device". is it fine ?
[13:04] <ogra_> should be
[13:04] <wcolato> well....unfortunately seems that sgs4 still not being considered
[13:04] <ogra_> deiu, it should just come up
[13:05] <yahoo_> ogra, also i disconnected my phone for a while. that should be fine too as its still downloading image .
[13:05] <galaxys4> there will be no development for sgs4?
[13:06] <deiu> ogra_, there is no indication as to its state (connected or not)
[13:06] <ogra_> galaxys4, ask the proters
[13:06] <yahoo_> galaxys4, check XDA
[13:06] <deiu> should there be an icon for 3G/H>
[13:06] <deiu> ?
[13:06] <ogra_> !devices| galaxys4
[13:06] <ogra_> deiu, yes, next to the bars
[13:06] <deiu> there's none (just the bars)
[13:06] <yahoo_> ogra, please confirm
[13:06] <yahoo_> "ogra, also i disconnected my phone for a while. that should be fine too as its still downloading image ."
[13:07] <ogra_> yahoo_, no idea, i have never unplugged while phablet-flash ran
[13:07] <ogra_> but i guess it should be fine
[13:07] <ogra_> else you can just start over it wont download something it already has
[13:07] <deiu> I found a bug in the SMS app, but I'm not sure where to submit it :S
[13:08] <yahoo_> ogra, ok it was taking too much time.
[13:08] <ogra_> deiu, against the messaging-app package
[13:09] <yahoo_> one more questions, is browser HTML5 ?
[13:09] <yahoo_> and is there a music player
[13:09] <pmcgowan> yahoo_, yes its webkit
[13:09] <pmcgowan> and yes there is a music player
[13:10] <ogra_> the browser can do html5 and there is a music player, yes
[13:10] <yahoo_> Cool ! i hope i dont have to restore android
[13:10] <deiu> Before submitting the bug, can anyone else confirm that you cannot delete an SMS when you are viewing it? (bring up the bottom menu -> select -> Delete)
[13:11] <deiu> It works when you are viewing the list however
[13:12] <ogra_> you should also be able to just swipe it away
[13:12] <ogra_> to the side
[13:12] <deiu> while in the view mode?
[13:13] <ogra_> well, while in the list
[13:13] <deiu> I'm referring to the case where you have clicked the conversation and you are viewing the message
[13:14] <Jeffrey> anyone has experience with the "unable to open file <filename.ab>" when trying to restore?
[13:14] <deiu> ah nevermind
[13:14] <deiu> you're supposed to select again one or more messages _within_ a conversation
[13:15] <yahoo_> ogra, i am in CWM-based recovery v6.0.2.8
[13:15] <deiu> you can't delete the whole thread from within the conversation view
[13:15] <yahoo_> E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command
[13:15] <ogra_> yahoo_, try again then ... someone just filed a bug fr this
[13:15] <yahoo_> Checking for autodeploy.zip
[13:15] <yahoo_> autodeploy.zip not found
[13:15] <ogra_> bug 1241568
[13:16] <melvster> woot just bought my nexus 4!
[13:16] <ogra_> yahoo_, would be nice if you could confirm the bug
[13:16] <aquarius> yahoo_, are you flashing the phone for the first time?
[13:16] <ogra_> melvster, congrats !
[13:16] <yahoo_> yeah !
[13:16] <melvster> thx! :)
[13:16] <yahoo_> how should i confirm ? :S
[13:17] <aquarius> yahoo_, I just got the same thing when flashing for the first time, but it is fine, just wait; the terminal that's pushing things to the phone will then finish pushing things to the phone and say "restarting device" and then it'll reboot
[13:17] <deiu> Ok, moving on...anyone else unable to save an alarm in the Clock app? :)
[13:17] <ogra_> yahoo_, see at the top "does this bug affect you too"
[13:17] <melvster> i wonder how many people actually just install ubuntu without trying the google OS :D
[13:17] <ogra_> deiu, mentioned in the releasse notes ;)
[13:17] <aquarius> me! I am installing Ubuntu without trying the preinstalled Android :)
[13:17] <deiu> ogra_, oops :)
[13:18] <melvster> aquarius: awesome!  me too!
[13:18] <yahoo_> acquarius, ok so what should i do now, i have a screen (on phone) with 8 options
[13:18] <yahoo_> reboot ?
[13:18] <pmcgowan> no
[13:18] <pmcgowan> just let it go
[13:19] <pmcgowan> aquarius, hows it going
[13:19] <ogra_> yahoo_, did phablet-flash in the terminal return the prompt to you yet ? if not, just leave it do its thing
[13:19] <yahoo_> ogra, no, it still says wait
[13:20] <yahoo_> ogra, sorry it stopped
[13:20] <aquarius> pmcgowan, am still halfway through phablet-flash, so no opinions yet :) I have just added a comment to bug 1241568 suggesting that maybe a little more feedback in that process might help.
[13:20] <aquarius> ooo! phablet-flash finishes!
[13:21]  * aquarius plays with Ubuntu on a phone :)
[13:21] <Proaam> cheers!
[13:22] <maver> anyway to install ubuntu 13.10 on nexus7 without the ubuntu-touch interface?
[13:22] <angelito> hey
[13:23] <angelito> hello
[13:23] <aquarius> ha! playing music works.
[13:23] <yahoo_> ogra, aquarius, terminal shows this error "ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb push /home/user1/Downloads/phablet-flash/imageupdates/pool/ubuntu-2b5345658b58e55207c4a4e7b6b3d8cd4f3d9a3187d2448fc9020c884234bac0.tar.xz /cache/recovery/' returned non-zero exit status 1"
[13:24] <ogra_> yahoo_, might be because you unplugged, try to start over by going into recovery and adding "-d mako" (assuming thats a nexus4) to the pahblet-flash command
[13:24] <aquarius> ah. I didn't get that. that might be an actual problem, which ogra_ will know how to fix :)
[13:25] <yahoo_> ogra, its gnexus
[13:25] <ogra_> yahoo_, then use -d maguro
[13:26] <Proaam> looks like ubuntu touch does not provide the accelerometer sensor data to the browser (or the browser does not provide it to pages via javascript)
[13:26] <deiu> Is nmcli the only way to properly configure the 3G connection?
[13:28] <dylan> So, I was thinking about putting touch on my nexus 4
[13:29] <dylan> But then I saw this "In rare circumstances, the Nexus4 may get into a state where it may not boot at all after the battery is drained (even into recovery). If this happens, the only way to restore it is to disassemble the back of the phone and unplug/plug the battery connector."
[13:29] <dylan> Any clue on when that will be fixed?
[13:29] <ogra_> dylan, thats a hardware issue that also happend with android
[13:29] <Proaam> dylan: if it's not your second/third/... phone, don't switch yet
[13:30] <dylan> Yeah, I was planning on waiting for that to get fixed
[13:30] <dylan> once they fix that though
[13:30] <dylan> cleared for launch!
[13:30] <ogra_> dylan, nobody can fix that
[13:30] <dylan> wait... why not?
[13:30] <ogra_> dylan, it is an issue with the hardware design
[13:30] <ttoine> hello, how do i use the phone to phone ? it still does not manage code pin ?
[13:30] <dylan> What causes it?
[13:30] <ogra_> dylan, https://www.google.com/search?q=red+led+of+death+nexus&client=ubuntu&channel=cs&oq=red+led+of+death+nexus&aqs=chrome.0.69i57j69i60j69i62l2.5745j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#channel=cs&q=red+light+of+death+nexus+4
[13:30] <systime> Getting ready to flash my nexus 10... are "--channel devel" and "--channel saucy"  essentially the same thing?
[13:31] <ogra_> ttoine, open the network indicator it should have an entry "unlock SIM"
[13:31] <deiu> Can someone with a working 3G connection please compare the output of /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems with my output: http://fixee.org/paste/t0uwrvk/ :)
[13:31] <ogra_> systime, atm they are, devel will point to T once it opened though ...
[13:32] <yahoo_> ogra, my phone is now completely new.
[13:32] <systime> ogra_: Cool, thanks!
[13:32] <maver> hi everyone! is there anyway to install ubuntu 13.10 on nexus7 without the ubuntu-touch interface?
[13:33] <Proaam> i think UT should prompt the user to unlock the SIM after booting up
[13:33] <ttoine> ogra_, thanks
[13:33] <Emery> maver, wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
[13:33] <Emery> google is your friend
[13:33] <ogra_> Emery, thats dead ... wond work anymore i think
[13:33] <dylan> ogra_: xda says "It was a simple case of 100% discharged. To fix it use the power socket charger and not the usb charger from your laptop or desktop. The red light first goes down, then it will blink and then the white charging icon comes. Let it charge at least 10 minutes after that before you switch it on, otherwise it would shutdown again (but won't go to red light mode)."
[13:33] <Emery> ogra_, has a manual guide
[13:33] <ogra_> and it will definitely break if you upgrade to 13.10
[13:34] <Emery> also says it works on 13.10
[13:34] <dylan> That's it?  It's just a case of uber battery drain?
[13:34] <ogra_> dylan, rigth, LG didnt manage to build in a proper mechanism to avoid this in the hardware
[13:34] <Emery> ogra_, correction 13.04 works
[13:34] <ogra_> dylan, and it happens on android too
[13:34] <Emery> I'd install 12.04 though
[13:35] <dylan> Okay, that's not as bad as I thought
[13:35] <ogra_> Emery, there is no 12.04 for the nexus
[13:35] <dylan> I just need to use a proper charger, and leave it for a while.
[13:35] <dylan> That's fine
[13:35] <yahoo_> ogra, i re-ran command :
[13:36] <ttoine> first call, first sms from my Ubuntu-touch galaxy nexus !!!!! Congrats guy !!!
[13:36] <ogra_> ttoine, awesome !
[13:36] <yahoo_> no error this time
[13:36] <yahoo_> stucked on < waiting for device >
[13:36] <yahoo_> phone didnt reboot
[13:37] <ogra_> try if you can do "adb shell" from another terminal
[13:37] <yahoo_> it says error: device not found
[13:37] <ogra_> aha
[13:37] <yahoo_> i get "error: device not found" :: D
[13:37] <yahoo_> so
[13:37] <ogra_> what was the exact phablet-flash line you used ?
[13:38] <dylan> zis it possible to brick your phone with ubuntu touch?
[13:38] <ogra_> not really
[13:38] <yahoo_> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup -d maguro
[13:39] <yahoo_> any thoughts
[13:39] <ogra_> yahoo_, ok, kill that command ... then try the following: adb kill-server && sudo adb start-server ... then check with adb shell if zou can log in to recovery
[13:39] <ogra_> if that works, exist out of adb and run the phablet-flash command again
[13:39] <ogra_> *exit
[13:39] <dobey> how does one make screen rotation work?
[13:39] <ogra_> dobey, it just works ?
[13:40] <ogra_> (in apps that use it)
[13:40] <ttoine> ogra_, is there a howto to sync contacts, install twitter, etc? and is there a way to make some ssh terminal from my desktop, now that I connected the phone to wifi ?
[13:40] <ogra_> ttoine, sshd is installed but off by default ... you can open the terminal and "sudo start ssh"
[13:40] <dobey> ogra_: how do i know what apps use it?
[13:41] <ogra_> dobey, turn your phone sideways
[13:41] <ogra_> :)
[13:41] <dobey> not helpful because it's not working for me
[13:41] <yahoo_> done, adb shell  gives no devices. phone wont start :/
[13:41] <ttoine> ogra_, where is the terminal ?
[13:41] <ogra_> dobey, works fine for me in i.e. the terminal app
[13:41] <ttoine> ogra_, the team really need to improve the doc !
[13:41] <ogra_> ttoine, in the applications ... expand the installed category
[13:42] <deiu> is there a default password for root? (can I do su -) on the phone?
[13:42] <dobey> ogra_: not working here :(
[13:42] <ogra_> dobey, which phone ?
[13:42] <kenvandine> deiu, use sudo not su -
[13:42] <ogra_> (mako or maguro)
[13:42] <dobey> ogra_: nexus 7. does it only work in mir and not with sf?
[13:42] <kenvandine> deiu, phablet user's passwd is phablet
[13:42] <deiu> I still need the pass for phablet user
[13:43] <ogra_> ah, well, n7 is pertty low prio atm
[13:43] <pmcgowan> dobey, the shell does not rotate, just certain apps like webbrowser
[13:43] <deiu> thanks
[13:43] <pmcgowan> maybe n7 sensors not working?
[13:43] <ogra_> deiu, phablet
[13:43] <ogra_> :)
[13:43] <kenvandine> deiu, np
[13:43] <ogra_> ah, ken was faster
[13:43] <kenvandine> i am pretty sure rotation used to work on the n7, but haven't  tried faster
[13:43] <kenvandine> ogra_, i won the race :-p
[13:43] <ogra_> :D
[13:44] <rbelem> hey ogra_ :-)
[13:44] <ogra_> not to hard against a chainsmoker like me :P
[13:44] <rbelem> ogra_, how are you doing?
[13:44] <ogra_> rbelem, !!!
[13:44] <kenvandine> ogra_, haha... :-D
[13:44] <ogra_> hwo is life
[13:44] <yahoo_> gra, again i ended up with same screen :( CWM recovery
[13:44] <ogra_> *how even
[13:44] <rbelem> ogra_, :-D
[13:44] <kenvandine> does anyone have examples of a project using cmake that uses qdoc as well?
[13:44] <ogra_> yahoo_, yes, thats fine, but ot should move on after a while
[13:44] <rbelem> ogra_, i'm back to help a little
[13:44] <kenvandine> mhall119, ^^
[13:44] <kenvandine> dpm, ^^
[13:45] <ogra_> rbelem, cool !
[13:45] <rbelem> ogra_, i bought a nexus 4 yesterday
[13:45] <ttoine> ogra_, what is the default password for sudo N?
[13:45] <ogra_> ttoine, phablet
[13:45] <rbelem> ogra_, did you hear about openwhatsapp?
[13:46] <yahoo_> but terminal command has ended. it gave same error
[13:46] <ogra_> rbelem, there was someone working on a whatsapp client, i think he mentioned it on the meailing list ... he dropped the ball though
[13:46] <ogra_> rbelem, his app was called whosthere ...
[13:47] <ttoine> ogra_, oups, I just tell my ip adress and the password in th open space... all my colleagues are ssh my phone...
[13:47] <ogra_> :)
[13:48] <rbelem> ogra_, http://openwhatsapp.org/develop/
[13:48] <deiu> any idea where the ofono config files are? *NetworkManager[1103]: <info> trying to read IMSI contexts from oFono files
[13:48] <rbelem> ogra_, this other one i used in nokia n9
[13:49] <ogra_> rbelem, ah, cool
[13:49] <pmcgowan> mhall119, you about?
[13:49] <dpm> kenvandine, not sure I know of any. Perhaps the Unity actions api or online accounts api?
[13:49] <yahoo_> ogra, so whats next
[13:49] <kenvandine> i'll check actions, online accounts is qmake
[13:49] <ogra_> yahoo_, you could adb shell into the device and it still doesnt work with phablet-flash ?
[13:49] <yahoo_> yeah i was able to login in adb shell
[13:50] <rbelem> ogra_, do you know if qt4 apps works on ubuntu touch?
[13:50] <ogra_> rbelem, i dont think so
[13:50] <ttoine> ogra_, if I want to install some stuff with apt-get, this is in read only. how do I remove read only
[13:50] <ogra_> should be all qt5
[13:50] <ogra_> i fthey do thats by accident and will stop working soon
[13:51] <rbelem> ogra_, the isse with openwhatsapp is that it is written in pyside
[13:51] <rbelem> :-/
[13:51] <ttoine> someone knows how to use apt-get on ubuntu-touch
[13:51] <ttoine> ?
[13:51] <ogra_> ttoine, touch /userdata/.writable_image ... but note this will break after a while
[13:51] <ogra_> ttoine, and you cant do upgrades anymore
[13:52] <ttoine> ogra_, you mean I will have to do it again ?
[13:52] <ogra_> i mean you will run out of space at some point and have to reinstall
[13:52] <ttoine> ogra_, not a matter. I would like to test tomcat 6 and a java app on the phone
[13:53] <ttoine> ogra_, " touch /userdata/.writable_image" is the command line
[13:53] <ogra_> yeah, just warning you :)
[13:53] <ttoine> ?
[13:53] <ogra_> yeah
[13:53] <ogra_> thne reboot
[13:53] <ttoine> ogra_, noticed ;-)
[13:53] <ogra_> and you can apt-get install stuff
[13:53] <ogra_> but i.e. apt-get dist-ugrade will break after some time ... and OTA upgrades wont work either anymore
[13:53] <spindley> ogra_: we have to make image writable to sync google contacts, yes?
[13:54] <ogra_> spindley, no
[13:54] <spindley> oh, evolutionsync or whatever is preinstalled now?
[13:54] <ogra_> you should never make the image wriable unless you actually work on the platform
[13:54] <ogra_> syncevolution, right
[13:54] <spindley> right
[13:54] <spindley> cool
[13:54] <spindley> thanks
[13:54] <ogra_> and you should use it as the phablet user
[13:54] <ogra_> whose homedir is writable
[13:54] <spindley> right
[13:54] <spindley> ok, thanks
[13:55] <yahoo_> ogra, in terminal "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes."
[13:55] <ogra_> ("sudo -u phablet -i" in case you are in adb)
[13:55] <yahoo_> and on phone, purple bg with robot
[13:55] <ogra_> yahoo_, great, just wait until after the next reboot
[13:56] <yahoo_> should i poke ? it hasnt finished
[13:56] <ogra_> it should come up in ubuntu touch eventually
[13:56] <yahoo_> ogra, ok
[13:56] <ogra_> it takes 15 min or so
[13:56] <ogra_> (the stage with the progress bar on screen)
[13:56] <yahoo_> cool
[13:56] <ogra_> and the first boot that will follow is very slow since it configures stuff in the background
[13:56] <yahoo_> ogra,  regarding bug report,  this was my 4th time executing command
[13:56] <ogra_> so be patient
[13:57] <yahoo_> Christian Dywan (kalikiana) was right i guess. its bcuz of first flash
[13:58] <kalikiana> first flash?
[13:59] <yahoo_> first time flashing ?
[14:00] <kalikiana> my device has seen plenty of flashes, so for me that's not the case
[14:00] <kalikiana> I only talked about "the first attempt"
[14:00] <kalikiana> as in, with that image in particular
[14:00] <yahoo_> ok so i guess it was aquarius who said that.
[14:01] <yahoo_> i cant think of any other factor, can you ? same image was loaded from download folder. same commands
[14:02] <yahoo_> maybe, ogra has to worry about that :D
[14:06] <yahoo_> aquarius,  did you get this message "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. FIX ?"
[14:06] <ogra_> 14.04 will be the Trusty Tahr !!!
[14:06] <ogra_> we have a name
[14:06] <aquarius> yahoo_, er. I'm not sure. I don't remember getting it, and I've closed the terminal now, I'm afraid.
[14:07] <yahoo_> aquarius, its on phone
[14:07] <yahoo_> in CWM Recovery menu
[14:07] <yahoo_> but terminal command is still running
[14:07] <aquarius> yahoo_, I don't think I got that, but I'm not sure. I didn't have to touch the phone while phablet-flash was running; it just worked.
[14:08] <yahoo_> ogra, what do u think ?
[14:08] <ogra_> yahoo_, hmm ?
[14:09] <yahoo_> ogra, i am in "CWM Recovery" again but this time i get this message "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. FIX ?"
[14:09] <yahoo_> with some options
[14:10] <ogra_> how did you get there ?
[14:10] <ogra_> didnt you say  you had the androidn with the rotating guts and the progress bar ?
[14:10] <yahoo_> After reboot. terminal still has same message "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes."
[14:10] <yahoo_> yeah i had that
[14:11] <ogra_> after that it should just do a normal reboot if you dont touch the phone or fiddle with it
[14:11] <ogra_> it definitely does for me
[14:11] <deiu> Anyone around with experience regarding nmcli / ofono? :)
[14:11] <yahoo_> infact it still has but progress bar and robot is static. no animation
[14:12] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, ^^ ofono help?
[14:13] <yahoo_> ogra, it stopped "ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way."
[14:13] <kedivess> good morning
[14:14] <ttoine> new question: I can't tweet from the phone twitter app: the phone doesn't show the keyboard...
[14:14] <ttoine> any idea ?
[14:15] <angelito> hey
[14:15] <kedivess> i would ask if is it possible to install a language pack on ubuntu touch system-image . I tryed via adb shell using "sudo apt-get install language-pack-it" . It doesn't let me install.
[14:15] <mohdisham> Has anybody ported it to n7100 here
[14:15] <w-flo> mh. pull-lp-bin for generic initrd keeps on throwing 404 errors. is it expected for archive content to just disappear for a few minutes? *patiently waiting*
[14:16] <pmcgowan> kedivess, system is ro by default, but there are a number of languages installed
[14:16] <angelito> what image i need to install for samsung galaxy note 2(at&t)???
[14:16] <pmcgowan> ttoine, there are occasional issues showing the osk, it might clear on restart
[14:16] <deiu> cyphermox, ping
[14:16] <kedivess> thanks for the answer. but there insn't the italian installed.
[14:17] <pmcgowan> right
[14:17] <pmcgowan> you can enable rw and install it
[14:17] <pmcgowan> kedivess, but then updating is not gauranteed
[14:18] <angelito> ???
[14:18] <kalikiana> might be a click/apparmor team question if there's a plan for installing language packs
[14:18] <kedivess> how to enable rw ? i tryed  "chmod +w  -R  / " but doesn't work
[14:18] <kalikiana> kedivess: touch /userdata/.writable_image
[14:18] <kalikiana> then reboot
[14:19] <davmor2> deiu: what the issue, lets start there then if no one else can help cyphermox can
[14:19] <ogra_> kedivess, note that making it writable will make yoou lose the ability to upgrade
[14:19] <pmcgowan> !devices | angelito
[14:19] <deiu> davmor2, ok :)
[14:19] <deiu> I'm trying to configure a gsm connection
[14:20] <kedivess> and even if i update via terminal ?
[14:20] <deiu> `nmcli con list` shows a connection /208230001390324/context1 as gsm
[14:20] <ttoine> pmcgowan, thanks
[14:20] <angelito> o ok thank you!
[14:20] <deiu> however, I can tell from syslog that there is no configuration for that connection (empty fields)
[14:21] <deiu> creating a new gsm connection with the correct settings does not work either (<warn> Activation (/ril_0) failed for connection '/208230001390324/context2')
[14:21] <ogra_> kedivess, if you upgrade via terminal that would be via apt ... this will break after a while (running out of space)
[14:22] <deiu> There's another syslog line saying: reason 'modem-no-carrier'
[14:22] <davmor2> deiu: run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-contexts and /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems and paste them in paste.ubuntu.com  I can guarantee they'll be needed
[14:22] <kedivess> so the better way is to wait until italian language will appear.....
[14:22] <deiu> I want to be able to edit the initial gsm config, but I can't find the corresponding file for it
[14:24] <deiu> list-contexts provides an empty configuration for /ril_0 :S
[14:25] <ogra_> kedivess, well, for testing you can surely just amke it writable and apt-get the langpack ... but it has drawbacks to do this
[14:25] <ogra_> *make
[14:25] <deiu> paste.ubuntu.com seems to be down
[14:25] <gbs> yahoo_, did you solved your problem?
[14:25] <deiu> never mind
[14:26] <kedivess> ok thanks <ogra>
[14:26] <davmor2> deiu: cyphermox, awe and rsalveti might be you're best bets
[14:26] <mohdisham> I be been installing custom ROMs through cwm does this work the same way
[14:26] <deiu> davmor2, thanks
[14:28] <irongiant> nhaines: You still around?
[14:29] <yahoo_> gbs, yeah simple reboot
[14:29] <yahoo_> it booted in UT. but its really slow
[14:29] <yahoo_> and i am not sure if something is missing :( its dark GUI
[14:29] <ogra_> yes, the gnex has some performance bugs
[14:30] <ogra_> dark gui ?
[14:30] <ogra_> you should end up in atour that shows you how to use the gestures
[14:30] <yahoo_> black. maybe its supposed to be that. but home screen is dull
[14:30] <ogra_> *a tour
[14:30] <ogra_> at least thats what is happeneing for me here
[14:31] <yahoo_> ogra, will swap help ?
[14:31] <ogra_> as soon as your device uses swap it will be unusable, so no
[14:31] <ogra_> (there is swap btw)
[14:31] <aquarius> well, Ubuntu for phones team: I have a phone. I have been able to read news on it, play a game on it, read Reddit, take a photo, post to g+, play music. That covers a good proportion of what I need already, and I've only been using it for half an hour. Nice work, all of you.
[14:32] <ttoine> trying to install tomcat6 and openjdk 6 headless on ubuntu touch... not so easy, dpkg dont go at the end...
[14:32] <ogra_> (but you dont want that to be used at all)
[14:33] <yahoo_> yeah great work ! but bcuz its laggy i cant use it :(
[14:33] <w-flo> ah. ubuntu trusty is the new code name. and I was wondering what "Unknown architecture armhf for ubuntu trusty" means
[14:34] <ogra_> aquarius, not only us ! it was you too !!!
[14:35] <aquarius> ogra_, I'm just a consumer, now. :) I shall be filing bugs, though -- and more importantly writing apps, which is what I want the phone for...
[14:36] <cyphermox> deiu: poke
[14:36] <zzarr_> Hello Hashcode, how is the HDMI driver comming along?
[14:36] <cyphermox> deiu: check if your provider is in the file at /usr/share/mobile-broadband-provider-info/providers.xml
[14:39] <deiu> cyphermox, nope, it isn't
[14:39] <deiu> can I add it there?
[14:39] <cyphermox> yep
[14:40] <cyphermox> can you give me the details actually, I'll make sure it gets added upstream
[14:40] <cyphermox> I need the country, name of the provider at the very least, and any other info you have about them
[14:41] <deiu> France, Virgin Mobile, APN=virgin-mobile.fr
[14:42] <deiu> that's basically it
[14:42] <deiu> let me test first before you push any changes
[14:43] <cyphermox> ah, that's special. I would have expected it to be there
[14:44] <deiu> is the xml file mounted ro?
[14:44] <deiu> I can't save
[14:45] <hello-there> It says..........................Please check that PPA name or format is correct ......cant add desktop tools   :(
[14:45] <mfisch> hello-there: what ppa are you trying to add?
[14:46] <hello-there> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[14:46] <deiu> cyphermox, ^
[14:46] <cyphermox> oh, right
[14:46] <asac> stgraber: hi
[14:47] <asac> stgraber: what do we need to do to prep the trusty thing on system miages?
[14:47] <cyphermox> deiu: you'll need to touch /userdata/.writable_image first, then reboot, then edit.. the system is read-only. Note that that change may complicate upgrades in the future though
[14:47] <asac> stgraber: also what about saucy... i assume we basically want to start producing daily saucy-updates images that then get tested and sit in saucy-proopsed until we decide to ship those to users?
[14:48] <asac> stgraber: do you need anything from us?
[14:48] <asac> stgraber: we would like to build a first, green image after the archive has the new toolchain, but before the imports start... so just checking what needs to be done
[14:48] <deiu> cyphermox, can I just create a new file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/  instead?
[14:48] <iBelieve> I'm interested in starting a website/blog about Ubuntu Touch & apps for it. Am I allowed to use "Ubuntu Touch" in the name, such as "Ubuntu Touch News & Apps"?
[14:49] <deiu> and use the same structure from providers.xml
[14:49] <stgraber> asac: once the cdimage infrastructure works (so once we get our first desktop imaeges out), all that will need to happen is a few lines of config in system-image to get things imported
[14:49] <stgraber> we'll also need one line in the cdimage crontab to be added for saucy-updates but that's trivial too
[14:50] <asac> stgraber: so our system-image will do the right thing as long as we output stuff to the right folder on cdimage?
[14:50] <cyphermox> deiu: not really. that file is used just as a hint to ofono to try and do the right thing... what might work better is writing the right settings in /var/lib/ofono/<your imei>/gprs, but I don't know what the exact syntax is  -- you might be able to see from the file already there
[14:50] <stgraber> so nothing required on your side except patience (since it usually takes a while before we can get our first live images built after a new release opens)
[14:50] <cyphermox> deiu: if you decide to change files in /var/lib/ofono, you'll want to stop ofono first, and reboot when you're done
[14:50] <stgraber> asac: yep
[14:50] <deiu> cyphermox, thanks
[14:50] <deiu> I'll give it a shot
[14:50] <asac> stgraber: ok, maybe we can setup saucy-updates part before that?
[14:50] <asac> then everything else will just happen i believe
[14:50] <hello-there> ?
[14:51] <asac> stgraber: or are you around over weekend?
[14:51] <asac> (in case cjwatson feels like doinmg the toolchain over weekend_)
[14:51] <stgraber> asac: yeah, I'll do the config changes today and will trigger a saucy-updates build (at the moment there should only be one package difference I believe, procps)
[14:51] <deiu> is there a way to safely stop ofono?
[14:51] <deiu> I can't find it in init.d/
[14:52] <ogra_> deiu, uh, thats so last century .. ubuntu uses upstart
[14:52] <cyphermox> sudo stop ofono
[14:52] <deiu> nvm, I used service
[14:52] <ogra_> :)
[14:52] <stgraber> asac: I very much doubt we'll have livefs build before Monday at the very least. The toolchain is a requirement to open the archive, but we need quit a bit more than that before we can build live images.
[14:52] <deiu> service ofono stop worked
[14:52] <deiu> :)
[14:52] <hello-there> It says..........................Please check that PPA name or format is correct .....
[14:52] <deiu> ogra_, I'm old school :)
[14:52] <asac> stgraber: ok, but in general your idea was that we would have daily images flow into saucy-updates so we can track regressions on dashboard etc. and once in a while do a promotion to saucy to ship that to end users, right?
[14:52] <cjwatson> asac: I'm travelling over the weekend
[14:52] <cyphermox> deiu: are you sure the APN is supposed to be virgin-mobile.fr? seems to me here like it would be ofnew.fr
[14:52] <hello-there> Telling him to do ::::    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:phablet-team/tools
[14:52] <asac> cjwatson: ah cool. then we are safe:)
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: Trying to get as much done as possible before I leave at ~6pm
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: just enjoy your weekend and lets do the toolchain and first image monday
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: Well, there's more than me :)
[14:53] <deiu> cyphermox, yes, let me check again on their website
[14:53] <cyphermox> deiu: ok
[14:53] <cjwatson> asac: I'm pretty sure doko wants to keep moving
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: yeah. lets stop talking then and meet monday :)
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: will he turn the auto-syncher on though?
[14:53] <cjwatson> Dunno
[14:53] <cjwatson> I'll try to make sure we're all in sync before EOD
[14:53] <asac> ok i will talk to him
[14:53] <asac> ah cool
[14:53] <cjwatson> stgraber: I'm doing cdimage now
[14:53] <asac> cjwatson: just let me know if i need to talk more and to who
[14:53] <asac> thanks
[14:54] <asac> rock on!
[14:54] <stgraber> asac: so what will happen with saucy is that you'll see new images landing in saucy-proposed as usual and can test and promote those to the main saucy channel as you've always done
[14:54] <cyphermox> deiu: you may be right, and most source on the web (including possibly their webside I just checked) can be out of date... I see one here with the virgin-mobile.fr APN
[14:54] <melvster> 'Depending on the installed Android version, a popup will show up on the device with the host key that needs to be accepted for the device to communicate with the workstation' <----- I didnt get this ... should I continue anyway? :/
[14:54] <stgraber> asac: so identical process as pre-release, only difference is that the changes in those images will come from saucy-updates
[14:55] <ogra_> hello-there, on what ubuntu version are you doing that ?
[14:55] <deiu> melvster, no, go into the developer settings
[14:55] <deiu> then click the checkbox to allow USB dev connection
[14:55] <melvster> deiu: i already clicked build 7 times it worked
[14:55] <melvster> oh
[14:55] <deiu> cyphermox, rebooting now, let's see what happens
[14:56] <cyphermox> deiu: you made the file changes?
[14:56] <deiu> cyphermox, it works! :D
[14:56] <deiu> yes
   Its 13.10 Desktop version ..latest ..just downloaded and installed
[14:56] <asac> stgraber: right. just that for saucy we dont promote every day usually
[14:56] <asac> as its a "stable" channel variant
[14:57] <asac> not a developer channel ... where the goal is to go daily forward
[14:57] <asac> :)
[14:57] <deiu> cyphermox, I've change the gprs config in /var/lib/ofono
[14:57] <ogra_> hello-there, that doesnt need the PPA
[14:57] <deiu> s/change/changed
[14:57] <asac> stgraber: and stable is an alias, right?
[14:57] <hello-there> Ummm..it says 3.11.0.12 Generic ..
[14:57] <hello-there> Oh Ok !
[14:57] <ogra_> hello-there, phablet-tools is in the archive, just install it from universe
[14:58] <hello-there> damn sorry bro ..am just a new timer on ubuntu ....
[14:58] <hello-there> could you tell me how to get it from universe ??
[14:58] <melvster> deiu: i enabled USB debugging but i still dont have a popup
[14:58] <hello-there> should i just do sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-  ?
[14:58] <stgraber> asac: well, that's why the last channel rename removed any mention of daily ;)
[14:58] <cyphermox> deiu: awesome!
[14:59] <stgraber> asac: stable is indeed an alias to saucy
[14:59] <cyphermox> deiu: can you share the exact settings? I'll make sure that gets added
[14:59] <deiu> cyphermox, I only had to provide the APN name (virgin-mobile.fr)
[14:59] <cyphermox> alright!
[14:59] <deiu> thanks! :)
[14:59] <melvster> i wonder should i run adb kill-server
[14:59] <stgraber> asac: so new images will show up in saucy-proposed, we can test them there, when we feel there are enough interesting bugfixes, we copy to saucy and anyone using the saucy channel or one of its aliases will get the update
[15:00] <asac> stgraber: nice one
[15:00] <deiu> melvster, sure, and plug the USB cable back in
[15:00] <asac> stgraber: i think its well designed... so one question came up about build numbers etc.
[15:00] <asac> stgraber: i felt that build numbers are unique per channel[-proposed] and that that is more than enough
[15:01] <asac> however, what happens if we move the stable alias of saucy to trusty
[15:01] <deiu> brb
[15:01] <asac> stgraber: do we then just hope that the trusty versionm is higher? or is there something else we do?
[15:01] <hello-there> OK ...Is Universe the Local Repo fie in Ubuntu ?
[15:02] <asac> stgraber: i think its a question how the alias is realized etc. i could imagine our tools recognize an alias switch and then know what the right, latest version is
[15:02] <asac> but ... not sure
[15:02] <melvster> got the popup ... here we go!
[15:02] <ogra_> hello-there, just apt-get install
[15:03] <hello-there> Thanks! Cheers!
[15:03] <stgraber> asac: trusty will start at version 1
[15:03] <ogra_> asac, huh ?
[15:03] <stgraber> asac: and the client knows when an alias changes
[15:03] <ogra_> asac, the stable alis will only move by trusty release
[15:03] <stgraber> asac: so when changing devel from saucy to trusty, it'll do a full image update
[15:05] <stgraber> so someone on one of the devel-* channels will basically see an update from version > 100 to version 1, then things go back to normal and we get deltas from that point on
[15:06] <ogra_> stgraber, uh, thats pretty confusing
[15:06] <ogra_> stgraber, especially in support and bugs
[15:06] <ogra_> how would i know a user is on v1 of trusty instead of v1 of saucy ?
[15:07] <stgraber> ogra_: doesn't our about the system dialog tell you what release you're on?
[15:07] <melvster> how long does flashing normally take?
[15:07]  * ogra_ was hoping we would never use release names in a rolling image 
[15:08] <ogra_> stgraber, it does :(
[15:08] <ogra_> so yeah, we will be able to differentiate
[15:08] <stgraber> ogra_: anyway, people should always tell us what channel and device they're using, as otherwise we have no way of knowing what they're using
[15:08] <ogra_> right
[15:08] <ogra_> apport should collect that btw
[15:09] <deiu> melvster, 10-15 mins
[15:09] <stgraber> as someone using one of the -customized channels will get completely different build numbers even if using the same release
[15:09] <stgraber> ogra_: yep, apport should definitely get the equivalent of system-image-cli -i when reporting a bug
[15:09] <asac> stgraber: yeah, i need to understand that a bit more :)
[15:09] <asac> the devel going back to 1 thing etc.\
[15:09] <asac> but not today
[15:09] <asac> that has at least a few weeks time :)
[15:09] <ogra_> asac, huh ?
[15:10] <ogra_> asac, it will be used as soon as we build the first test image
[15:10] <ogra_> i dont think that has weeks time
[15:10] <deiu> melvster, it is downloading in the background so it can take a while the first time you run it
[15:10] <asac> ogra_: not sure what you mean. i was talkinga bout the weird behavioru if you move the "stable" alias from saucy to trusty
[15:10] <asac> the rest sounds absolutely sane and simple here
[15:10] <ogra_> asac, it will reset the devel version
[15:10] <ogra_> to 1
[15:11] <asac> ogra_: the alias rename, yes
[15:11] <ogra_> stable wont change
[15:11] <asac> but not the promotion
[15:11] <asac> no?
[15:11] <ogra_> stable will only change once 14.04 is released
[15:11] <melvster> woo hoo it's aliiiiive!
[15:11] <ogra_> asac, the promotions carry over the version from proposed
[15:11] <asac> ogra_: i think you might be confused. the following line is about when we decide to move from saucy to trusty as "stable"
[15:11] <asac> 17:05 < stgraber> so someone on one of the devel-* channels will basically see an update from version > 100 to  version 1, then things go back to normal and we get deltas from that point onhttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/touch_custom/
[15:12] <asac> 17:05 < stgraber> so someone on one of the devel-* channels will basically see an update from version > 100 to  version 1, then things go back to normal and we get deltas from that point on
[15:12] <ogra_> asac, if we promote -propsed build #3 you will have #3 in devel
[15:12] <asac> yes
[15:12] <asac> thats the current situation
[15:12] <ogra_> stable is something completely different
[15:12] <ogra_> stable is the release ...
[15:12] <asac> ogra_: you are out of context
[15:12] <asac> i am talkinga bout the stable release handling, yes
[15:12] <ogra_> stable will only change once 14.04 is released
[15:12] <asac> ogra_: not necessarily
[15:13] <asac> ogra_: we actually said we move to T after one month :)
[15:13] <asac> and provide frequent updates from T for our stable users instead of continuinig to maintain saucy-updates
[15:13] <ogra_> well, or for a few images we might build the next weeks but stable wont be affected by the numbering change until 14.04 releases
[15:13] <asac> we will see
[15:13] <asac> anyway
[15:13] <ogra_> what will change versioning now is devel
[15:13] <asac> i need to understand better what happens when we switch over
[15:13] <ogra_> stable wont
[15:14] <ogra_> only if there is a new stable channel
[15:14] <asac> stgraber: so when will the numbers go back to 1 exactly?
[15:14] <asac> stgraber: just if we change the alias, right?
[15:14] <ogra_> saucy builds will just count up from 100
[15:14] <ogra_> trusty builds will start at 1
[15:14] <ogra_> (no matter in which channels they live)
[15:15] <asac> stgraber: i havent seen stgraber saying that
[15:15] <asac> ogra_: ^^
[15:15] <ogra_> yes
[15:15] <stgraber> asac: the numbering for trusty-proposed will start at 1
[15:16] <asac> stgraber: oh so devel is not a real channel?
[15:16] <stgraber> devel is an alias to saucy, devel-proposed is an alias to saucy-proposed, ...
[15:16] <stgraber> once trusty exists, those aliases will change
[15:16] <ogra_> and the numbering for saucy[rpopsed will continue at 101
[15:16] <asac> stgraber: can we change that? i believe its better to have devel a real, continuosly trunk channel, so we can promote milestones in trusty and trusty-proposed
[15:16] <yahoo> ogra, is there a way to close apps ?
[15:17] <ogra_> yahoo, go to the thumbnail screen, hold down your finger until a close icon appears
[15:17] <ogra_> asac, per definition devel is the rolling thing
[15:17] <asac> right. but noone says that we need to treat those images as an alias
[15:17] <asac> :)
[15:17] <yahoo> cool ! and how do i use say, grooveshark dash plugins
[15:17] <ogra_> asac, if i started on saucy and used devel i will magically move on to trusty
[15:17] <asac> i know
[15:18] <asac> thats not the point really :)
[15:18] <ogra_> that only works if you have it as a linked (or aliased) thing
[15:18] <ogra_> devel points to saucy atm
[15:18] <ogra_> and will point to trusty then
[15:18] <asac> ogra_: right. devel could be its own thing though
[15:18] <asac> and then we can promote to trusty ever other week etc.
[15:18] <asac> from devel
[15:18] <stgraber> asac: if we were to do that (not that it's really possible at this point anyway), we'd have different build versions in devel and in trusty and in saucy which would make things rather more confusing I believe
[15:19] <yahoo> what do you mean ?
[15:19] <ogra_> asac, trusty and devel are the same thing by then
[15:19] <stgraber> the way I designed devel is for it to work identically as the devel alias at the archive level
[15:19] <ogra_> yeah
[15:19] <stgraber> same name and same behaviour so that we don't confuse people more than they need to
[15:19] <asac> stgraber: not sure if its more confusing. at least our devel build rev (which is our main trunk and moving baseline), would continuously move forward without resets
[15:20] <asac> anyway, just discussing... want to understand it better :)
[15:20] <ogra_> stgraber, how about setting 100 as the default for trusty ... shoudlnt be to hard  to put that in artificially
[15:21] <stgraber> ogra_: that's easy but then good luck with the confusion when 101 is pushed to saucy as an update image :)
[15:21] <asac> stgraber: so we plan to ship stable updates from T after the first month as you know
[15:21] <ogra_> yeah
[15:21] <asac> stgraber: for that having devel and trusty separate sounds reasonable
[15:21] <ogra_> stgraber, thats asacs thing to clearify then :P
[15:21] <ogra_> asac, again, devel and trusty are the same thing once trusty starts
[15:22] <asac> devel is a daily release channel
[15:22] <ogra_> devel is always an alias for the currrent devel release in the works
[15:22] <ogra_> saucy is a release channel
[15:22] <asac> so how do i ship stable images from T after a month
[15:22] <ogra_> as trusty will be after release
[15:22] <asac> current install folks are tracking stable channel
[15:22] <asac> so in 2 month we might want to ship a T image on stable
[15:22] <ogra_> stable will point to saucy
[15:23] <ogra_> devel will point to trusty
[15:23] <asac> right. hence thats wrong :)
[15:23] <asac> and we need to move to trusty and then suddely those folks tracking stable get the daily devel release
[15:23] <ogra_> and saucy will get the updates
[15:23] <ogra_> while trusty will get the new images
[15:23] <asac> so yeah... we need to make devel a special channel ... that is following daily-release model
[15:23] <asac> while all other channels follow a stable release model
[15:23] <ogra_> it already is
[15:23] <stgraber> stable-* will keep on pointing to saucy-* until we decide to have it point ot trusty, which will likely be in a month or so (and yeah, that's abusing the "stable" name but whatever)
[15:24] <stgraber> devel-* points to saucy-* until trusty builds exist, then it'll point to trusty-*
[15:24] <asac> stgraber: but then trusty folksk suddenly get daily releases... not sure if thats what we want
[15:24] <hello-there> Orga .....i could install phablet tools but it says .....Unable to locate package android tools ............
[15:24] <hello-there> 13.10
[15:24] <asac> i think it might be good, but in pratice we probably want to distinguish between daily and stable
[15:24] <ogra_> hello-there, tead the instructions, its not "android-tools" ... the package name is longer
[15:24] <stgraber> well, people who are currently on the stable-* channels have been getting almost daily updates up until yesterday
[15:25] <ogra_> asac, but thats what we do
[15:25] <asac> stgraber: well, it was the first release. now we move stable alias to a "real" stable channel after the release
[15:25] <asac> and folks that want to track devel should do so
[15:25] <ogra_> stable is the final release fo a released distro (and potential updates)
[15:25] <stgraber> so I don't think they'll be terribly surprised to get move to trusty once it's usable
[15:25] <ogra_> devel is always the devel release
[15:25] <stgraber> though this cycle is the only time we'll be doing that, once 14.04 release, I expect the stable alias to be a real stable channel and not change until the next release
[15:25] <hello-there> aaaah .....i thougoht it ended on -tools- ...
[15:25] <asac> stgraber: right, but suddenly we ship daily updates to our stable users
[15:26] <ogra_> asac, why woudl we
[15:26] <asac> i think thats too frequent for anything stable ... unless stable doesnt mean: end user ready
[15:26] <hello-there> ;-)  Tnx!
[15:26] <asac> ogra_: because we promote images from devel-proposed daily to devel
[15:26] <ogra_> asac, if stable users used --channel saucy they get what they asked for
[15:26] <asac> and hence stable is pointint to devel once we move it :)
[15:26] <ogra_> if users used --channel devel they get what they asked for by the definition
[15:26] <stgraber> asac: I'm fine keeping stable pointing to saucy until trusty releases, the problem we have there is that phablet-flash is using stable by default so we'll end up with a whole lot of people stuck on saucy without any touch update until trusty releases
[15:26] <ogra_> stable is never pointing to devel
[15:26] <ogra_> they are mutually exclusive
[15:28] <asac> stgraber: right. but i want to move folks to T, but not to devel. e.g. i want another channel that then can get our stable promotions before T is released
[15:28] <ogra_> thats stable
[15:28] <asac> anyway. maybe i can ignore that for now... just feels odd/wrongish
[15:28] <ogra_> or saucy (which are the same)
[15:29] <stgraber> ogra_: I think asac wants something using trusty but even more tested than the main trusty channel
[15:29] <ogra_> on devel you are completely rolling, on stable you are stuck with saucy (plus potential updates) until trusty releases
[15:29] <stgraber> anyway, we're not going to change that alias today so we can wait a bit to discuss that
[15:30] <ogra_> stgraber, asac, so a second devel channel
[15:30] <asac> stgraber: right, i assume we can later untangle aliases etc.  if we know better what we want? if so, lets fold this discussion for now and do what you planned to do
[15:30] <ogra_> ?
[15:30] <ogra_> dvel-devel ?
[15:30]  * ogra_ doesnt get the purpose of that 
[15:30] <stgraber> ogra_: that's what it sounds like to me, yes, something like trusty-stable or the like that gets even less update than trusty itself
[15:30]  * asac didnt say that, but is happy to folkd that discussion until later
[15:31] <ogra_> stgraber, honestly to me it sounds like we all want the same, but asac just misunderstands the concept :)
[15:31] <stgraber> ogra_: with something like trusty-proposed => trusty => trusty-stable and stable being an alias of trusty-stable
[15:31] <ogra_> we're not good at explaining i fear
[15:31] <stgraber> anyway, I've got to run for a while, we won't change the stable alias today so we can discuss this later :)
[15:31] <ogra_> yeah
[15:32] <ogra_> we have 6 months to worry about stable :)
[15:34] <melvster> im blown away by how good ubuntu touch is ... congrats guys!!!!
[15:35] <ttoine> running a java application (tomcat6) on ubuntu-touch phone !!!
[15:36] <melvster> nice
[15:38] <ogra_> melvster, thanks !
[15:38] <ogra_> ttoine, congrats !
[15:38] <zzarr_> Hello is ubuntu touch using mir?
[15:39] <ogra_> zzarr_, yes
[15:39] <zzarr_> nice
[15:39] <ogra_> on both supported phones :)
[15:39] <zzarr_> :)
[15:40] <zzarr_> I wish the HDMI driver got finnished for my Motorola Droid 4
[15:40] <yahoo> ogra, so theres no workaround for this lag ?
[15:40] <zzarr_> Hashcode is working on it, but I think he rarly have time
[15:40] <yahoo> i really want to stick to UT
[15:40] <ogra_> yahoo, no, there will be fixes at some point
[15:41] <ogra_> but atm there is no workaround
[15:42] <yahoo> ogra, ok how do i use restore android ? i have backup.ab file
[15:42] <ajbrandt1> hello world
[15:42] <ogra_> yahoo, follow the install doc to restore the OS, then use whatever android uses to restore the backup
[15:52] <ze_> has anyone installed ubuntu touch in device with cpu from mediatek?
[15:52] <ogra_> !devices | ze
[15:52] <ogra_> ze_, sheck the wikipage above
[15:52] <ogra_> *check
[15:53] <ze_> ok tks
[15:54] <timppa> can someone tell me what the triangle with letter R means on the indicator bar?
[15:55]  * ogra_ has never seen that 
[15:55] <timppa> it just appeared there, haven't seen it before
[15:55] <sergiusens> timppa, ogra_ roaming perhaps?
[15:55] <ogra_> yeah
[15:55] <sergiusens> tedg, might know
[15:55] <ogra_> that would have been my guess too
[15:55] <timppa> that might be yes
[15:55] <ogra_> are you ?
[15:55] <ogra_> physically i mean
[15:56] <timppa> yes, because this one operator in Finland is using another operators network so basically it's always roaming
[15:56] <ogra_> ah
[15:56] <ogra_> yeah, then it makes sense
[15:56] <timppa> yes
[15:57] <blead> greetings
[15:57] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...
[15:57] <ogra_> i guess you will be able to look that icon up in the ubuntu phone handbook that ships with the ubuntu phone :)
[15:57] <ogra_> one day ..
[15:57] <blead> rasing hand
[15:57] <timppa> :)
[15:57] <ttoine> ogra_, thanks ;-)
[15:57] <ogra_> blead, thats bad for your blood circulation :)
[15:57] <blead> um, nexus 7, is it normal for the screen to flash?
[15:58] <ttoine> we will make a how to next week
[15:58] <ogra_> n7 is rather broken and yeah, flachy
[15:58] <ogra_> *flashy
[15:58] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...  ANDROID 4.3 here ..Thanks!
[15:58] <blead> okay, sad face.
[15:58] <ogra_> tablets werent in the focus of 13.10
[15:58] <ogra_> you can switch back from Mir to surgfaceflinger on that device
[15:59] <ogra_> by removing /home/phablet/.display-mir
[15:59] <ogra_> (and rebooting)
[15:59] <blead> on y nexus 7 what is the best image?
[15:59] <ogra_> that will not give you all features but at least no flicker
[16:00] <blead> Mir, how do I find that in the Git
[16:00] <ogra_> blead, ask in #ubuntu-mir ... thats where the devs are
[16:00] <blead> I am running multi rom
[16:00] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...  ANDROID 4.3 here ..
[16:00] <ogra_> not sure there is a git tree ...
[16:00] <ogra_> most likely rather a bazaar one
[16:01] <yahoo> ogra, my build id is not listed here : https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[16:01] <ogra_> yahoo, it should be linked from the touch install page
[16:01] <ogra_> iirc there is a direct link
[16:02] <yahoo> ogra, yeah thats the link
[16:02] <blead> thank you, so we headed for a reckoning I take it
[16:02] <yahoo> but i cant find my build id there
[16:04] <hello-there> It says........You will also need to accept a host key on the device. ..................no such key shows up ...  ANDROID 4.3 here ..
[16:04] <sergiusens> hello-there, if you have done that before, it's not likely you need to do that again
[16:04] <melvster> what should i do if the OS crashes?
[16:04] <melvster> wait or reboot?
[16:04] <yahoo> ogra, can i flash with a different image ?
[16:05] <sergiusens> melvster, most of the time it restarts
[16:05] <sergiusens> yahoo, what's your build id?
[16:05] <yahoo> JOP4OD
[16:05] <hello-there> But when I run phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup .....it Giver ...ERROR:device not found ...
[16:05] <melvster> sergiusens: thanks
[16:05] <yahoo> Android 4.2.1
[16:05] <sergiusens> yahoo, and device?
[16:05] <yahoo> Gnexus
[16:06] <hello-there> i reckokn its cuz host key is required for phone and workstation to communicate
[16:06] <sapan> hello-there , make sure your device is shown . adb devices
[16:06] <hello-there> and........................it not coming up ...  :-/
[16:06] <hello-there> Nope ...
[16:06] <hello-there> just checked..it aint listed ....
[16:07] <hello-there> so ...how to get it up there ? Hint Please !
[16:07] <yahoo> hello-there, did you enable usb debugging ?
[16:07] <sergiusens> hello-there, what version of adb do you have?
[16:08] <hello-there> Yes ..it says you are a developer...
[16:08] <hello-there> im sorry ow can i check adb version please /
[16:08] <yahoo> hello-there, not just that ! Tick checkbox enable usb debugging in developer options
[16:08] <hello-there> aaah!!
[16:08] <hello-there> leme try ..Thanks!!
[16:09] <sapan> sudo adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server
[16:09] <yahoo> once done, run this in terminal "adb devices". hopefully, you'll see a device
[16:10] <yahoo> ogra, so ?
[16:11] <sapan> just curious . What % of ubuntu touch os code is actually re used from desktop one ?
[16:12] <sergiusens> yahoo, I think you should be fine with 4.2.2 (JDQ39)
[16:12] <mhall119> kenvandine: hey, what did you need me for earlier?
[16:12] <mfisch> is it okay to autoland stuff today or will it cause horrible problems
[16:12] <mfisch> specifically ubuntu-touch-customization-hooks
[16:13] <kenvandine> mhall119, just looking for any examples of projects that use cmake and generate qdoc docs
[16:13] <yahoo> sapan, none !
[16:13] <kenvandine> unity-actions-api does, so i have one example :)
[16:13] <yahoo> sergiusens, are you sure ? i dnt want to brick my device :?
[16:14] <sapan> yahoo so what does it mean when it says ubuntu touch is based on ubuntu saucy 13.10
[16:15] <yahoo> sapan, idk. i was told that ubuntu touch was built from scratch. Convergence will be added later.
[16:15] <yahoo> sapan, btw, where did you read that ?
[16:16] <deiu> Hmm...is there a way to turn the phone into a mass storage device?
[16:16] <deiu> I'd rather not use adb push all the time
[16:16] <mhall119> kenvandine: ah, I don't know of any
[16:17] <mhall119> kenvandine: I think you just need a .qdocconf file though, not a .pro or anything
[16:17] <pmcgowan> sapan, yahoo there is much code in common between desktop and phone
[16:17] <sapan> i read it somewhere in official ubuntu site
[16:17] <pmcgowan> and over time more will be used in desktop
[16:17] <sapan> i doubt they built it from scratch . That will be hell lot of code .
[16:17] <w-flo> deiu, you should have mtp access to your device
[16:18] <deiu> w-flo, oh? thanks, I'll check
[16:18] <sapan> I think the focus is on MIR so that UI plays the key here not the core codes
[16:19] <w-flo> deiu, at least that's what they say. It's pretty flaky on my device (which is not officially supported), so I either have adb or mtp, but never both. But when it works, it pops up a windows on my desktop as soon as I plug my phone into usb
[16:19] <mfisch> fginther: ping
[16:19] <hello-there> Gentlemen,.....This IS my last step if someone could assist please ...
[16:19] <hello-there> when i run phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[16:20] <melvster> hello-there: took me 10 minutes
[16:20] <mfisch> hello-there: whats the question?
[16:21] <hello-there> EROR: phablet-flash:HTTPSConnectionPool(host'     ', port=443) :Max tries exceeded...............
[16:21] <hello-there> im able to ping and nslookup system-image.ubuntu.com
[16:21] <yahoo> run "adb shell"
[16:22] <hello-there> proxy entries are correct
[16:22] <hello-there> is it something else or just my connection issue ?
[16:22] <yahoo> ah ! its https connection
[16:23] <yahoo> your connection
[16:23] <yahoo> try proxy or VPN
[16:24] <hello-there> proxy entries for http https and socks in /rtc/apt/apt.conf exist
[16:24] <hello-there> proxy entries for http https and socks in /etc/apt/apt.conf exist
[16:24] <hello-there> Any hints ?
[16:25] <hello-there> Any hints ?
[16:25] <yahoo> no
[16:25] <hello-there> :)
[16:25] <hello-there> ok..Thanks!
[16:25] <yahoo> lol !
[16:26] <yahoo> what is apt.conf for ?
[16:26] <yahoo> is it for apt-get ?
[16:27] <mhall119> I would assume so, yes
[16:27] <w-flo> I guess so (and I doubt phablet-flash respects proxy settings from that file)
[16:27] <mfisch> hello-there: phablet-flash does not handle proxies well
[16:27] <yahoo> well then it wont work as phablet-tools uses wget
[16:27] <mfisch> it for sure cannot handle https proxy servers
[16:27] <mfisch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1225910
[16:28] <hello-there> Right!
[16:28] <mfisch> I did not try http proxy, but you'd need to set the http_proxy environment variable to try it, I bet it fails too
[16:28] <mfisch> hello-there: can you wait until (presumably) you get home from work?
[16:29] <hello-there> :)
[16:29] <hello-there> No ! ! ! !
[16:29] <hello-there> I Want it NOW ! ! !
[16:29] <hello-there> if it doesnt brick my phone ..ill get through proxy bugger ..
[16:30] <yahoo> simple use it without proxy
[16:30] <mfisch> tether your laptop to another phone
[16:30] <hello-there> ok ..
[16:30] <mfisch> go to a coffee shop
[16:31] <hello-there> :) Good Idea..
[16:31] <hello-there> Im Off !
[16:31] <yahoo> which phone are using flashing ?
[16:31] <hello-there> Nexus 4
[16:31] <yahoo> which phone are youu*** flashing ?
[16:31] <yahoo> ok
[16:31] <yahoo> ogra, are you there ?
[16:32] <yahoo> i am having hard time finding factory image of GNEX
[16:32] <yahoo> anyone ?
[16:34] <pmcgowan> yahoo, link on the install page
[16:34] <jamal> yahoo here u go :https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
[16:34] <pmcgowan> in the topic
[16:34] <yahoo> yeah its not there
[16:34] <yahoo> JOP4OD
[16:34] <Gyula> hello
[16:36] <Gyula> i am behind proxy, and i tried download this current directoy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ but phablet-flash ubuntu-system --alternate-server ~/cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current --no-backup is not working
[16:36] <yahoo> flashing any other image may brick my phone ?
[16:38] <bit__> Hello everyone
[16:40] <ogra_> yahoo, you cant brick a nexus ...
[16:40] <Gyula> is there anybody?
[16:40] <bit__> I installed ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 WFI 2012 with the following string: phablet-flash ubuntu-system - channel devel - no-backup ... does not work well in most crashes (screen flickers and freezes everything). someone help me anymore?
[16:40] <ogra_> Gyula, 351 people except ing you
[16:40] <yahoo_> ogra, what do u mean ?
[16:40] <ogra_> yahoo_, you cant brick a nexus
 flashing any other image may brick my phone ?
[16:41] <Gyula> is there any way to predownload ubuntu phone image for my galaxy nexus?
[16:41] <Gyula> i am behind prxy and phablet-tools is not working with proxy
[16:41] <tobiasBora> Hello !
[16:41] <tobiasBora>  I have a little question : will it be possible in the future to run Ubuntu on a Samsung Galaxy Ace device, or is is not powerful enough ?7
[16:41] <yahoo_> ogra, then what will happen ? whats the difference between all of them
[16:41] <ogra_> yahoo_, just grab the lastes maguro image, that should work
[16:42] <ogra_> yahoo_, ask google ?
[16:42] <yahoo_> ogra, and will my backup work with them ?
[16:43] <Gyula> ogra: can you help me?
[16:43] <Gyula> http://askubuntu.com/questions/259616/phablet-flash-b-behind-http-proxy
[16:43] <yahoo_> tobiasBora, you need atleast 512 to run UT
[16:44] <ogra_> yahoo_, i have no idea, i'm not a big android user ...
[16:44] <ogra_> Gyula, nope, no idea, probably sergiusens has an idea
[16:45] <yahoo_> oh ok ! i know i've been asking a lot :D btw, what do u use ? some secret UT ?:P
[16:45] <yahoo_> or Ubuntu for Devs :P
[16:45] <ogra_> well, i have an android phone i use just not that deeply that i know much beyond the few functions of it that i need
[16:46] <bit__> I installed ubuntu-touch on Nexus 7 WFI 2012 with the following string: phablet-flash ubuntu-system - channel devel - no-backup ... does not work well in most crashes
[16:48] <ogra_> 13.10 did pretty much only focus on phones
[16:49] <tobiasBora> yahoo_: Ok thank you. So it won't be enough...
[16:50] <jamal> ogra_: is there any button to enable or disable auto brightness?
[16:50] <ogra_> jamal, nope, thats 14.04 stuff
[16:51] <bit__> thank you anyway
[16:51] <ogra_> (13.04 == have brightness control at all  .... 14.04 == have all the fancy luxury features )
[16:51] <ogra_> :)
[16:51] <bit__> see later
[16:51] <ReeSilva_SPFC> Hey guys
[16:52] <ReeSilva_SPFC> Some of u have tried to port Ubuntu Touch to Motorola Razr I (that one with Intel inside)?
[16:52] <jamal> ogra, when i adjust the the brightness to full and lock the phone and unlock back the brightness become lower, is it a bug?
[16:54] <jamal> ogra, but it seems the light sensor working fine!
[16:54] <ogra_> jamal, thats most likely a bug, but then  we dont have any ways to store settings for brightness yet so it will be fixed anyway once that feature lands
[16:56] <jamal> orgra_, thanks a lot
[16:56] <sergiusens> Gyula, ogra_ that seems like the old cdimage stuff where we used rsync
[16:58] <Gyula> sergiusens, and what is the new one?
[16:58] <sergiusens> Gyula, as in the wiki; I think the requests module picks up proxies; can you try that?
[16:59] <sergiusens> ReeSilva_SPFC, do we have the source code for that? Might be interesting to start the x86 port of this :-)
[17:01] <bit__> http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/ASUS_Nexus_7/ME370T please the string???
[17:03] <Gyula> later, now i have to go :( but thanks
[17:06] <NicKBUIG> Hi there, is there a working version of Ubuntu Touch for grouper?
[17:07] <NicKBUIG> ubuntu official release only maguro and mako :(
[17:07] <NicKBUIG> *released
[17:16] <Paul_mac1> hi. following instructions. adb does not work after flashing with fastboot and rebooting into recovery. it just does not see a device
[17:17] <Paul_mac1> is there another way to put that zip file into /sdcard/autodeploy.zip at this moment?
[17:18] <Paul_mac1> oh. seems a windows issue
[17:18] <Paul_mac1> looks like it works under ubuntu
[17:18] <ReeSilva_SPFC> This is what I'm questioning, @sergiusens. If we have the source code, I want to try port
[17:18] <timppa> btw, is there a way to add ringtones to ro image without braking anything?
[17:22] <espacial> hello!
[17:27] <mfisch> fginther: ping
[17:28] <espacial> hello!
[17:28] <espacial> anyone tried ubuntu phone yet?
[17:29] <mfisch> yes, for about 6 months ;)
[17:29] <espacial> but it really only for nexus 4?
[17:30] <mfisch> no, it will run on some other platforms, the n7 will work as well (and others)
[17:30] <ogra_> espacial, porting to other devices is done by the community
[17:30] <ogra_> they are not as fast
[17:30] <espacial> right
[17:31] <ogra_> give them some time to catch up :)
[17:31] <ogra_> i guess by 14.04 the world will look compeletly different
[17:32] <espacial> yea, I know, I only ask because I remember the first mobile with ubuntu, it was an atrix from motorola
[17:32] <espacial> so I tought, i have an atrix 2, i could have with out any trouble ubuntu
[17:33] <espacial> but, on ubuntu i just read about it is for nexus 4, so probably there is no firmware to my phone
[17:33] <ogra_> no, the new ubuntu for phones is completely designed from scratch, its a totally different beast
[17:34] <espacial> no more .img and vnc viewer, thats is great!
[17:38] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ping
[17:40] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: pong
[17:41] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, quick question ... there is no "front end" (non private) to  libnityLauncher-qml.so right ?
[17:42] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: what do you mean with frontend?
[17:42] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: well, the launcher in unity8 uses this
[17:43] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, yeah but you need to pull in a private package and tweak QML2_IMPORT_PATH in order to pull in the so right ?
[17:44] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, since it is not installed in a default searhc location etc. for clients to use
[17:44] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: right. no, this is not intended to be used by anything else
[17:45] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, mmh ... any plans on something around that ?
[17:45] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: no. why would you need that?
[17:45] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, to access the count/progress features of the launcher
[17:45] <alex-abreu> items
[17:45] <alex-abreu> thru the model
[17:46] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: ah, no. that wouldn't work anyways. the api to control those properties is not in place yet
[17:47] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: but I think that's one if the first things happening when we're opening development for trusty
[17:47] <mzanetti> s/if/of/
[17:48] <hayato_> hi someone can help me?
[17:48] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, nothing dbus exported ?
[17:48] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: no, not yet
[17:49] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, & the launcher model not accessible from "outside" ...
[17:49] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: no. right now you can't change that
[17:49] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, mmh ... ok
[17:49] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: what's your use case? so I can prioritize it if needed
[17:50] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, for webapps ... mimic what's exposed thru libunity on desktop
[17:50] <yahoo_> .
[17:51] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, p1 for us
[17:51] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: well, the guy who should have implmented that was on sick leave for a while :/ But before he said that we couldn't use what libunity currently offers. I don't know the reason tho
[17:51] <hayato_> i'm tryng to install touch on my nexus 4 but the installation stop and the terminal say that the device is not found
[17:51] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: will ask when I catch him next.
[17:51] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, who was it?
[17:52] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: Wellark
[17:52] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ah yeah, I had tried to reach him for sometime, ok was in a sick leave, I talked to him last summer about launcher bits, and had no news since then
[17:52] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: anyways, even if the API would be in place, right now all the apps are stopped when minimized, so they couldn't update anything anyways
[17:53] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, will you be talking about this in oakland? or should I kick off a discussion by email since it is a priority for us
[17:53] <mzanetti> huh? oakland? Did I miss something?
[17:53] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, yeah, I know, but anyway ...
[17:53] <sergiusens> mzanetti, there's a manager sprint in oakland + a few tech leads; so Saviq might be there
[17:54] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ah no, there is a sprint in oakland in a few weeks, I'll be there, thought you would too
[17:54] <hayato_> the device don't go in recovery mode
[17:55] <yahoo_> hayato, what happens when you press power button ?
[17:55] <mzanetti> alex-abreu: ok. no, I won't be there I think. But Saviq most likely is if you need someone to talk to. He should know all the stuff. You can still trigger this discussion by mail if you want
[17:55] <hayato_> yahoo_ : black screen
[17:55] <alex-abreu> mzanetti, ok I'll do it ...
[17:55] <yahoo_> no "Google" ?
[17:56] <yahoo_> are you sure your phone didnt disconnect ?
[17:57] <hayato_> yahoo_: no only black screen. yes the phone is connect if i command lsusb the terminal show me it but if i command adb devices don't appear
[17:57] <Felipe__> hello, i have a question, ubuntu-touxh is a FOSS proyect?
[17:58] <yahoo_> adb devices will only work if your phone is turned on
[17:59] <hayato_> yahoo_ : so what can i do?
[17:59] <codelinx> Has anyone tested this on other devices, i.e. rooted s3, s4, Note 3, LG G2 (all verizon)
[18:00] <yahoo_> i am not sure ! i hope you havent brick your phone
[18:01] <codelinx> This install works from android and is installed alongside the Android OS, is this correct? ... PS no i havent attempted it yet
[18:02] <yahoo_> codelinx, no ! you have to erase android to install UT
[18:02] <hayato_> the bootloader mode it go but if i try to go to recovery nothing happens
[18:03] <yahoo_> try this : power button + volume up + volume down
[18:03] <hayato_> yahoo_: go in download mode
[18:04] <yahoo_> no, recovery mode
[18:04] <yahoo_> press volume down key
[18:04] <yahoo_> then power button
[18:04] <hayato_> yahoo_: on the display there is an icon that say download mode
[18:05] <yahoo_> which phone are u using ?
[18:05] <hayato_> nexsus 4
[18:05] <hayato_> nexus*
[18:06] <yahoo_> volume up/down is used to change option and power key is "confirm". when you press "power button + volume up + volume down" you should see "START". can you ?
[18:07] <hayato_> yes
[18:07] <yahoo_> ok press volume down
[18:07] <yahoo_> what can u see  now ?
[18:08] <hayato_> yahoo_: restart bootloader?
[18:08] <yahoo_> no press again
[18:08] <yahoo_> now can you see recovery ?
[18:09] <hayato_> black sceen appear
[18:09] <ubuntuonN5> guys, does this version work with desktop mode?
[18:10] <yahoo_> no robot ?
[18:10] <beuno> ubuntuonN5, not super well, no
[18:10] <codelinx> okay, and the adb backup produces a flashable image from the Ubuntu or can it be flahsed some other way? Does the phone keep the custom recoevery i.e. clockwork mod or TWRP?
[18:10] <hayato_> no only black screen
[18:10] <beuno> ubuntuonN5, this next cycle we'll be focusing on convergence
[18:11] <hayato_> yahoo_: the terminal says device not found if i try to give command "sudo phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup"
[18:11] <hayato_> yahoo_: and then say "ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb shell getprop ro.cm.device ' returned non-zero exit status 255"
[18:11] <yahoo_> it wont work unless you are in android
[18:12] <yahoo_> or UT
[18:12] <alex-abreu> hayato_, does your device have enough battery? have you tried fastboot flashing   ?
[18:12] <hayato_> yahoo:i don't undstend
[18:13] <hayato_> alex: yes but the answer by the terminal is the same device is not connected
[18:13] <harris> hey
[18:13] <hayato_> alex: sorry say"device not found"
[18:13] <harris> why would ubuntu release ubuntu touch if there are still things that dont work
[18:14] <ubuntuonN5> when will a update be released so we can use desktop mode?
[18:14] <alex-abreu> hayato_, when you are in bootloader mode, fastboot does not see the device?
[18:14] <beuno> harris, because, iterations?
[18:14] <yahoo_> hayato, idk why you cant enter recovery
[18:15] <harris> when do you think it will be stable enough on nexus 7 to replace android
[18:16] <beuno> harris, this release was focused on phones
[18:16] <hayato_> alex ok i see the device
[18:16] <harris> not the nexus 7?
[18:16] <beuno> harris, next release will focus on supporting tablets and the desktop. So probably for 14.04
[18:16] <alex-abreu> hayato_, then you can manually flesh from there and recover from a bricked phone
[18:16] <beuno> harris, no, this release wasn't focused on nexus 7
[18:16] <hayato_> yahoo_: i don't know why i can't enter to recovery
[18:16] <harris> i have to wait 6 months
[18:17] <hayato_> alex: how can i do
[18:17] <beuno> or follow the development cycle
[18:17] <hayato_> ?
[18:17] <alex-abreu> hayato_, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2277112
[18:17] <alex-abreu> hayato_, if you can see your device in fastboot thene there is hope, and make sure that you have enough battery ...
[18:18] <hayato_> alex thanks i try this guide
[18:19] <harris> will they still fix some issues or not until 14.04
[18:20] <beuno> harris, yes, there will be incremental work from now until 14.04
[18:21] <Limsted> oy! can i use the ubuntu phone on a HTC Desire HD?
[18:21] <harris> but they wont release the fixes until 14.04
[18:23] <tbanish> think its safe to install ubuntu touch on my nexus 7? will it be very buggy still?
[18:24] <harris> tbanish, i have nexus 7
[18:24] <Octopus_> where to download old skins for opera 12
[18:24] <harris> thats what i wanna know
[18:25] <beuno> tbanish, it's not yet super stable in nexus 7
[18:25] <beuno> the focus for 13.10 has been phones
[18:25] <beuno> so galaxy nexus and nexus 4
[18:25] <beuno> the tablet and desktop story is what will be the focus of 14.04
[18:26] <tbanish> ahh ok, thanks beuno!
[18:30] <yahoo_> dnt install on Galaxy nexus
[18:30] <yahoo_> its super laggy. not worth it
[18:30] <slangasek> ogra_: so, systemd accepted into saucy-updates; can we get a new image built for the saucy stable channel?
[18:30] <slangasek> yahoo_: yep, that will be fixed in the next respin
[18:31] <slangasek> or at least, the CPU usage bug triggered by the crazy android video driver will be fixed
[18:31] <slangasek> no promises that there won't still be lag for other reasons
[18:32] <yahoo_> when will net respin  release ?
[18:33] <espacial> question: I can flash my phone (atrix2) to try the installatino doing the backup of android, and if that does not works on this phone just restore? as easy as it sounds?
[18:33] <slangasek> yahoo_: I'm not sure; it may take a couple of days for us to validate the new image
[18:33] <godemperor_> hi, im newbie on ubuntu ¿where can i found ubuntu-touch for the galaxy GT-I9000B?
[18:34] <yahoo_> espacial, i doubt it
[18:34] <yahoo_> slangasek, cool !
[18:34] <yahoo_> so maybe monday ?
[18:34] <yahoo_> to release ?
[18:34] <espacial> yahoo_: what you recommend me to do, just wait fot 14.04? or tried to change phone? :P
[18:35] <yahoo_> well, i dnt really know how smooth is it as its laggy on my phone.
[18:36] <ogra_> slangasek, i'll forward that to asac, not sure if we want to wait for more SRUs
[18:36] <yahoo_> if video driver fix releases soon, its worth trying
[18:36] <espacial> yahoo_: you have nexus 4?
[18:36] <yahoo_> i would use UT permanantly, if driver is fixed.
[18:36] <yahoo_> so galaxy nexus
[18:37] <slangasek> ogra_: why would we wait
[18:37] <yahoo_> BTW, Music Player is amazing
[18:37] <ogra_> dunno, i dont kneo what exactly the plans are
[18:37] <ogra_> *know
[18:37] <slangasek> ogra_: we were supposed to be able to spin multiple image updates a day; I don't think we want to have to wait :)
[18:37] <ogra_> (i know what the plans for T are, just not for S)
[18:38] <yahoo_> ogra, when i push power button while phone is turned off, it shows charging icon :/
[18:38] <slangasek> ogra_: we could at least spin off an image, even if we don't put it in the pipe for validation and promotion yet
[18:38] <slangasek> in fact, kicking it off now
[18:38] <ogra_> yahoo_, only if plugged in, i think android does the sam e
[18:39] <ogra_> slangasek, ok
[18:39] <yahoo_> ogra, no its not plugged in :/
[18:39] <ogra_> thats weird, never seen it doing that when not plugged in
[18:39]  * ogra_ would remove the battery to hard reset it 
[18:40] <yahoo_> yeah i have to remove battery otherwise it wont start
[18:40] <yahoo_> BTW, it turned off itself, maybe bcuz of low battery.
[18:41] <ogra_> ah, yeah, that might get you into a weird state
[18:42] <nick__> I want to install Ubuntu touch on HTC Desire HD. Is this possible?
[18:43] <ogra_> nick__, there might be a port, note though that the ports are all a little behind (ubuntu for phones moved very fast the last months)
[18:43] <ogra_> !devices| nick__
[18:43] <yahoo_> ogra, is there screencapture in UT ?
[18:44] <ogra_> yahoo_, not on the gnex ... sadly
[18:44] <yahoo_> ok
[18:45] <yahoo_> ok so in a couple days, driver fix will be available ? will it be available via OTA ?
[18:45] <ogra_> yes
[18:45] <slangasek> it will, yes
[18:47] <yahoo_> ogra, slangasek, how smooth will it be then ? like android ? or iOS ?
[18:47]  * ogra_ doubts that ... there are still other bugs with Mir and the driver 
[18:47] <ogra_> but it will surely be better
[18:48] <slangasek> I don't know about bugs with Mir, but the driver sure isn't the happiest :)
[18:48] <vila> evening guys
[18:48] <vila> does 'FAILED (remote: (InvalidState)) when running 'fastboot flash bootloader ...' rings a bell ?
[18:48] <ogra_> slangasek, well, seems there is an ability to turn off the uevent spam at the source
[18:48] <kenvandine> i'm amazed how much bettery  my battery life is today than it was a couple days ago... i guess there has been some improvements :)
[18:49] <ogra_> which i suspect will give us actually some performance gain
[18:49] <ogra_> vila, sounds like your device isnt properly unlocked ?
[18:49] <slangasek> ogra_: no, the userspace drivers rely on that uevent spam.
[18:50] <slangasek> it's a ridiculous architecture
[18:50] <ogra_> slangasek, they dont use it under SF
[18:50] <kenvandine> unplugged for 6 hours, reasonably heavy usage and still 87%
[18:50] <slangasek> yes, they do
[18:50] <ogra_> slangasek, there is a switch the some area that Mir doesnt use ... if that  switch is flicked it only spams while there is actual action going on
[18:50] <vila> ogra_: nope, it has been unlocked.... months ago and I 'fastboot oem unlock' says already unlocked
[18:50] <vila> s/I//
[18:50] <ogra_> s/the some/in some/
[18:51] <slangasek> ogra_: which means there will still be uevent spam at precisely the time when you care about the UI being smooth ;)
[18:51] <ogra_> heh, indeed, but the bg noise will be gone
[18:52] <ogra_> which means the GPU should be less stressed
[18:52] <ogra_> (since the driver reacts to the events only apparently)
[18:53] <infinity> Image building should work now, if someone wants to try one.
[18:53] <infinity> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/daily/20131018.1/ <-- core built everywhere, at least.
[18:53] <ogra_> i assume no special options should be needed ?
[18:53] <slangasek> infinity: well, I'm currently building for DIST=saucy
[18:53] <infinity> ogra_: Nope, should default to trusty.
[18:53] <slangasek> so the buildds might be a little busy
[18:53] <infinity> Oh, well, people can test when you're done testing. :P
[18:53] <slangasek> :-)
[18:54] <ogra_> i'll try one in 30min, then the saucy one should be done
[18:54] <infinity> I'm just relaying the "infrastructure should be ready" message.  What people do with it, I care little.
[18:54] <ogra_> or in 1h to be safe
[18:54] <infinity> I have Matthew, Will, and Thom waiting for me with pints in hand.  Need to tidy up a few more things and call it a week.
[18:54] <ogra_> stgraber, is a trusty build safe already ? will system-image pick it up for the right channel ?
[18:54] <ogra_> infinity, enjoy !
[18:55]  * ogra_ lifts his beer bottle
[18:55] <AlgoRhymes> Is there any way to run android apps on ubuntu touch?
[18:56] <ogra_> no
[18:57] <ogra_> (you might be able to ship a dalvik vm inside the click package of your app ... theoretically ...  practically it would have to talk to Mir, not sure if that would work)
[18:58] <espacial> after UT is installed, android is erased right?
[18:58] <stgraber> ogra_: it's safe to trigger a trusty build. The channels aren't setup yet but it won't cause any harm and is useful to check that the cdimage part works at least.
[18:58] <vila> ogra_: restoring grouper with bootloader-4.18 worked, couldn't install 4.23. I'm unblocked, just mentioning in case someone ran into the same issue
[18:58] <vila> espacial: ot
[18:58] <vila> espacial: it's erased before the install
[18:58] <ogra_> stgraber, great, just wanted to make sure i dont harm anything
[18:59] <espacial> thanks vila
[18:59] <stgraber> ogra_: system-image looks specifically for files starting with saucy- so it'll just ignore trusty
[18:59] <ogra_> ok
[18:59] <ogra_> well, that wont buy us an image to test :)
[19:01] <hayato_> alex: thanks i do it and i boot my phone in ubuntu touch it's great :) thank you for your help
[19:02] <fearphage> gss
[19:02] <yahoo_> hayato, how did u fix ?
[19:04] <stgraber> ogra_: trusty added to system-image, so if you manage to build an image, it should get published
[19:05] <ogra_> great
[19:05] <stgraber> ogra_: I also changed the paths so that it should notice a new post-release saucy image and import it as expected
[19:05] <ogra_> i dont see why i wouldnt manage to build one
[19:05] <ogra_> it is effectively saucy with new toochain
[19:06] <ogra_> stgraber, awesome, thanks
[19:06] <stgraber> ogra_: well, I got quite a few cdimage build failure e-mails in my inbox :)
[19:06]  * ogra_ sees them too 
[19:06] <deiu> Anyone here working on the web browser? :)
[19:06] <yahoo_> when i visit firefox.com from UT. it say download from Play Store :D
[19:07] <yahoo_> they treat all others as Android
[19:08] <yahoo_> Why there is no sotware center in UT
[19:10] <ogra_> yahoo_, it is the "more suggestions" thing in the applications page
[19:10] <espacial> yahoo_: the devices are in WIP (work in progress) will be working for this year?
[19:12] <yahoo_> espacial, yeah but i guess it should atleast detect that its not android.
[19:14] <mfisch> stgraber: can we safely top approve something today?
[19:14] <stgraber> mfisch: the archive isn't open
[19:15] <mfisch> hmm, so what would happen
[19:15] <espacial> i am not developer, network manager, so don't know  nothing about codes, but I can help in this project testing images? or something?
[19:15] <mfisch> nm, I'll wait until Monday
[19:15] <stgraber> mfisch: no idea
[19:15] <stgraber> mfisch: I don't know how the auto landing stuff works. I suspect it'd just merge changes and never upload
[19:16] <mfisch> espacial: I think you could help with testing, but I'm not the right guy to ask that to
[19:17] <yahoo_> mfisch, yeah ! i am also interested in testing fixed version to get an idea of this OS !
[19:17] <yahoo_> I really love it. only having hard time using back button
[19:17] <mfisch> do you guys speak any other languages? I think they need help translating
[19:19] <espacial> I speak spanish (native language) and portugues (mother language)
[19:21] <mfisch> I know we need help with portuguese
[19:21] <mfisch> brazilian and portugal versions
[19:21] <espacial> brazilian I know
[19:21] <mfisch> abragado
[19:21] <espacial> obrigado ;)
[19:21] <mfisch> this wiki page is a little light on details: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Phone
[19:22] <mfisch> yeah I know English and French like a 4 year old would speak
[19:22] <mfisch> The core apps would be a good place to start
[19:22] <mfisch> I've not done translations before, but someone can help you probably
[19:23] <espacial> nice
[19:24] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, when I run my app using friends, I get warnings like:
[19:24] <rickspencer3> account-service-model.cpp 275 update
[19:24] <rickspencer3> accountService role is deprecated, use accountServiceHandle
[19:24] <rickspencer3> account-service.cpp 100 setObjectHandle Accounts::AccountService(0x211b3b0)
[19:24] <rickspencer3> should I care?
[19:26] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, nah
[19:26] <kenvandine> not yet
[19:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[19:26] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, you are iterating the accounts yourself right?
[19:26] <kenvandine> if so, you should update your code at some point
[19:26] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, don't remember, but I think so
[19:27] <kenvandine> but we won't break that until we bump the API version
[19:27] <rickspencer3> I am getting reddgur ready for the store :)
[19:27] <kenvandine> which i think we'll do before 14.04, but not for a while
[19:38] <deiu> The keyboard doesn't seem to show up sometimes, especially in browser :S
[19:39] <deiu> I imagine this has already been reported..
[20:00] <Bearson> hello
[20:01] <deiu> Hi!
[20:06] <k1l_> for flashing on my nexus in recovery i need: saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip    and  saucy-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip   right?
[20:07] <k1l_> nexus4 that is
[20:07] <ogra_> k1l_, you should use phablet-flash and the ubuntu/system image instaed
[20:07] <ogra_> the old images arent really supported anymore
[20:08] <k1l_> hmm, ok. i liked the cm like .zip flashing and nandroid in recovery
[20:09] <ogra_> you can still use it, but keep the bugs :)
[20:09] <ogra_> these images are just an interim product and do not get testing ... they use a completely different filesystem setup an many things wont workl in them (like upgrades)
[20:10] <ogra_> but since ports still need them until we can offer system-image installs for them it will still stay around for a while
[20:11] <k1l_> hmm, ok. so phablet-flash and adb backup beforehead. will adb backup all including recovery etc?
[20:11] <ogra_> no idea :)
[20:12] <ogra_> i never back up the devices i usually just wipe them
[20:13] <k1l_> im too lazy to make the setup again :)
[20:16] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, so I can't use Accounts API in my app?
[20:17] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, ^ ?
[20:17]  * spazzymoto likes the black magic you guys worked on battery life
[20:17] <rickspencer3> does that apply to import Ubuntu.OnlineAccounts 0.1
[20:17] <rickspencer3> import Friends 0.1?
[20:18] <rickspencer3> beuno, I bet you know ^ ?
[20:19] <beuno> rickspencer3, I've heard there's some things that need to land in order to use it properly
[20:19] <beuno> apparmor something something
[20:19] <rickspencer3> beuno, it says something about only being for "vetted" apps or something
[20:19] <beuno> right
[20:19] <beuno> we get warnings in the review scripts
[20:19] <rickspencer3> does that mean I can't use it?
[20:19] <rickspencer3> or just that you have to take a closer look as a reviewer?
[20:20] <beuno> rickspencer3, a closer look
[20:20] <rickspencer3> ok
[20:20] <rickspencer3> cool, and sorry :)
[20:20] <beuno> we'll need to manually inspect until the proper APIs are in place
[20:20] <beuno> np, it's an FAQ at this point I think
[20:21] <suriish> can i install Ubuntu touch in samsung galaxy s2 i1900
[20:22] <ogra_> suriish, i think there is a community port, but it is several months behind
[20:22] <ogra_> !devices | suriish
[20:23] <suriish> i installed but call and SMS are not working then i roll back to Android
[20:25] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, why not?
[20:25] <kenvandine> you need to add accounts policygroup to your click package
[20:25] <rickspencer3> kenvandine, yeah, doing that
[20:25] <kenvandine> which i think is there
[20:25] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: re accounts> basically-- there is a missing mir feature that means we can't prompt for access
[20:25] <rickspencer3> but there is a note in the UI which says "for vetted apps only"
[20:25] <rickspencer3> and I didn't know what a vetted app was
[20:26] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: but we can let apps through as needed (but they need to be inspected)
[20:26] <rickspencer3> jdstrand, ok, I think that's what beuno said
[20:26] <rickspencer3> so, I'm submitting
[20:26] <rickspencer3> :)
[20:26] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: it is bug #1230091
[20:27] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: aiui, it is utmost priority to get it implemented, since our trust model depends on that
[20:28] <jdstrand> rickspencer3: I've spoken to the mir team and tvoss about it-- it is all planned to be implemented very soon (aiui)
[20:28] <rickspencer3> sounds good
[20:28] <beuno> jdstrand, I guess you'll have an app to review soon  ;)
[20:31] <ninoo> hi
[20:31] <jdstrand> joy
[20:31] <ninoo> hello
[20:32] <ninoo> Can I ask here for information
[20:33] <ninoo> for Ubuntu on a phone
[20:33] <ninoo> ?
[20:40] <NicKBUG> hello!
[20:40] <NicKBUG> anyone had a problem on grouper, with the screen flickering?
[20:42] <nhaines> k1l_: adb backup only backs up applications, some system settings,  and shared storage.  Not your call log, messages, or email, most notably.
[20:44] <Blue> Hi, can somebody help me out?
[20:53] <nhaines> !questions | blue
[20:59] <spazzymoto> Hey guys, anyone experinced this in ubuntu sdk when trying to run app on device : [22:54:40] bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Invalid argument bash: no job control in this shell
[21:07] <k1l_> nhaines: ok. i will do a nandroid then too
[21:20] <nhaines> k1l_: fabulous idea  :)
[21:41] <hello-there> Gentlemen........................................Im gona have a Heart Attack .......its been on "Pushing /home/......... to /cache/recovery for 5-7 mins and phone screen is blank .....is this normal... ??? PLEASE !!
[21:43] <hello-there> Anyone here can help ?
[21:46] <asadsalm> Installing now on Nexus 4
[21:47] <hello-there> Gentlemen........................................Im gona have a Heart Attack .......its been on "Pushing /home/......... to /cache/recovery for 5-7 mins and phone screen is blank .....is this normal... ??? PLEASE !!
[21:47] <hello-there> How long does this take normally ??
[21:59] <cwayne_> hello-there, well, firstly know that it's damn near possible to actually break your phone doing this :)
[21:59] <cwayne_> impossible that is
[21:59] <cwayne_> damn near impossible *
[22:08] <hello-there> HEY !  Its WORKING!!!!!!!    :))))))
[22:12] <asadsalm> Get 3G Working like this: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[22:13] <asadsalm> Get Google Contacts like this: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html
[23:01] <Alexey_> hello
[23:01] <Alexey_> why i install russian languege on touch?
[23:10] <n-iCe> so stable was released
[23:10] <n-iCe> do ubuntu has already an app store? and apps?
[23:16] <d7gonzo> hail
[23:17] <d7gonzo> setting up a nexus 4 right now with touch
[23:18] <d7gonzo> when trying to flash the initial system the phone is sitting at a black screen...do i just wait it out?
[23:18] <d7gonzo> terminal says waiting "Waiting for recovery image to boot"
[23:33] <d7gonzo> hello...i realize it's late on a friday night but is there any life in the channel?
[23:33] <jholtom> i'm here.
[23:33] <jholtom> d7gonzo: whats up?
[23:38] <D4rkSilver> d7gonzo: always
[23:48] <spence> has anyone been able to get this working with a d2vzw?
[23:57] <Egoista> How do I change the time?
[23:58] <Egoista> And how do I install apps? I touch them but it doesnt do anything
[23:59] <n-iCe> I think there are no apps