[05:29] <MartijnVdS> http://phandroid.com/2013/10/17/oops-nexus-5-makes-official-appearance-on-the-google-play-store-heres-your-first-official-look/
[05:29] <MartijnVdS> "oops"
[07:43] <diplo> Morning all
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Meauning
[07:54] <SuperMatt> good day all
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:18] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> \o
[08:19] <directhex> is it really? IS IT?
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> 'sup directhex?
[08:20] <bigcalm> It happens
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> You seem a bit tense...
[08:20] <directhex> i enjoy being contrary. also, sleep
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Find a good masseuse ;-)
[08:21] <bigcalm> I've just remembered why my laptop didn't like the upgrade. I have to find the legacy ATI drivers to make it sane once again
[08:21] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: +1 I really value mine
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - I was being rather facetious. I've only ever had one massage in my life - didn;t really like it much either.
[08:23] <popey> i had one at a conference once
[08:23]  * MartijnVdS wants the Nexus 5.. rumours and hints (given by Kit Kat's official G+ page) suggest it'll be released on Oct 28
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> Too bad buying it in .nl will probably be Very Hard®
[08:24] <popey> send me money and I'll buy one for you
[08:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer will wait until next year when the bendy phones start appearing.
[08:24] <bigcalm> Mine is a back pain specialist. So she beats me up as well as giving a soothing massage
[08:24] <popey> I may even post it to you
[08:24] <MartijnVdS> popey: I'd like that :)
[08:24] <popey> happy to
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> I'll give you a poke once it's released.
[08:25] <popey> kk
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> I _do_ like Ars Technica... Most of what they write seems well researched and relatively unbiased.
[08:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just read their review of 13:10. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ubuntu-13-10-review-the-linux-os-of-the-future-remains-a-year-away/
[08:29] <diplo> Happy Birthday MartijnVdS :D
[08:29] <popey> yeah, well done for clinging to the rock for another solar orbit MartijnVdS
[08:29] <diplo> bigcalm: I've been seeing a Osteopath recently, she's brilliant, but it costs me £35 a time, it's ruining me :(
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Haaaaappppppyyy Birthday to you, hbty, hbd MartijnVdS, hbty.
[08:30] <bigcalm> diplo: my lady costs me £25 for 1 hour whom I see once a month. I'm coping just about
[08:31] <bigcalm> Keeps my stress in check
[08:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Anti-Slavery Day! :-D
[08:32]  * popey cracks the whip
[08:32] <popey> get back to work Tait!
[08:32] <popey> Oh! *anti*!?
[08:32] <diplo> I saw mine 5 times on month, I'm rather broken at the mo
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've got a good idea...
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Let's mix salts of magnesium and iron with gelatin to create a foam... then if we heat this foam to 800°C it should trigger a process called calcination, which degrades the gelatin and oxidizes the metals..."
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/jello-making-protein-could-help-make-cheap-fuel-cells/
[08:33] <diplo> Went to see a physio for the first time yesterday, found the appointment pointless, was only 15 mins and basically felt like she did nothing :/
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: it's also my birthday \o/
[08:34] <JamesTait> Happy birthday, MartijnVdS! \o/
[08:34] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: happy thingy wotsit to you :)
[08:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Shouldn't that be "Happy MartijnVdS Birthday day..."?
[08:34] <shauno> sounds much better.  and means we don't have to give our slaves the day off
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> 0x21
[08:35] <JamesTait> Young whippersnapper.
[08:35] <bigcalm> :O
[08:36] <bigcalm> So young
[08:36] <bigcalm> Erm, just realised that I'm only a year older than that
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> hah :)
[08:37] <Laney> you oldies
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> pah that's not old.
[08:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> 0x30 ;-)
[08:39] <SuperMatt> 29 /o\
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: hex or dec (it can't be oct :P)
[08:40] <SuperMatt> hex
[08:41] <diplo> 0x25 here you nerds!
[08:42]  * Laney is 0x1B
[08:42] <Laney> yay, I get a letter
[08:42] <SuperMatt> wait, I meant dec
[08:43] <SuperMatt> what is wrong with me?
[08:43] <SuperMatt> ok, I'm 0x1D
[08:43] <bigcalm> So many young people
[08:43]  * SuperMatt shakes a first at Laney 
[08:43] <Laney> alright, calm down grandpa
[08:43] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:43] <bigcalm> 100,010
[08:44] <bigcalm> Morning
[08:44] <MooDoo> anyone in blackpool next week?
[08:44]  * popey looks for his ear trumpet
[08:44] <MooDoo> lol
[08:45]  * popey ponders which webapp to ubuntuify next
[08:45] <Laney> one I was using one of those and someone tapped it on the end
[08:45] <popey> tried to get Amazon kindle desktop reader working
[08:45] <SuperMatt> In binary, I guess I'm 11101
[08:45] <Laney> that's quite painful
[08:45] <popey> it kinda does
[08:45] <popey> but thinks the screen is a desktop so it's off the edge of the phone display
[08:47] <JamesTait> Yes, thanks to popey I now have an OSM app on my phone. :)
[08:47] <popey> ☻
[08:47] <popey> thought it might be useful for oggcamp
[08:48] <JamesTait> That was exactly what I thought as well! :D
[08:48] <Laney> I don't know what my Ubuntu SSO password is so I haven't bothered to log in on the phone :(
[08:48] <popey> seems amazon have no mobile view for their web based reader
[08:48] <Laney> which means I can't download applications
[08:48]  * Laney grrs
[08:49] <Laney> (someone make a lastpass client)
[08:49] <popey> ooh
[08:49] <JamesTait> Laney you can request a password reset.  I could even find you a link for that.
[08:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: what about some mobile phone operator websites
[08:49] <Laney> JamesTait: I can get it from lastpass
[08:49] <popey> MartijnVdS: i have done giffgaff
[08:49] <Laney> but it's sufficiently arduous that I can't be arsed :P
[08:49] <JamesTait> Ah, I see. :)
[08:50] <Laney> it looks roughly like jDAFJen3ca£%)"£*)%fj42cna<DFWEF™<“20
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> tnx4password
[08:50] <JamesTait> And you can't remember it?
[08:50] <Laney> funny that
[08:50] <JamesTait> Pfft!
[08:50] <Laney> so yeah
[08:50]  * Laney campaigns for unauthenticated downloads
[08:51] <JamesTait> Yeah, I'm not sure what the situation is there, tbh.
[08:52] <JamesTait> I was too busy re-requesting the click index all night, seeing what new apps popey had uploaded, to pay any attention to anything else that might be going on.
[08:53] <JamesTait> Oh, apart from Random Cats.
[08:53]  * Laney ticks that one off the PRD
[08:53] <bigcalm> Talking of apps, today's Cyanide & Happiness is amusing :)
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 8-)
[08:54] <JamesTait> Hah!
[08:54] <Laney> ffs
[08:54] <Laney> I just did sign in and now I'm not getting any apps returned :(
[08:54]  * Laney turns it off and on again
[08:58] <SuperMatt> man, as much as I love using citrix ica for my copy of outlook, I really hate that it keeps stealing focus as it loads >:(
[08:58] <Laney> grug
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: my sarcasm-o-meter just exploded
[08:59] <SuperMatt> maybe love was a little too strong
[09:00] <SuperMatt> I merely put up with having to use outlook at work
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: we use some kind of online version of outlook at work
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> Office 360 or something
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I wouldn't be surprised if my company moved to that
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I think they want to be as platform agnostic as possible, considering the number of macs in the office
[09:02] <MartijnVdS> yeah macs *are* useful for that ;)
[09:07] <JamesTait> Laney, getting apps now?
[09:07] <Laney> no
[09:08] <JamesTait> Weird.
[09:08]  * JamesTait stops hitting refresh to give others a chance.
[09:08] <Laney> aha
[09:08] <Laney> It was my system-settings testing :P
[09:08]  * Laney tries to get Sleepy Time
[09:09] <JamesTait> OK, I can stop worrying now then. :)
[09:10] <Laney> is the server that i'm downloading from slow?
[09:10] <Laney> oh, no, it's moving now after restarting
[09:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> so.. you tried turning it off and on again, and it worked? :)
[09:50] <SuperMatt> http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/64374824057/service-puppet-ensure-stopped
[09:54] <bigcalm> Upgraded my laptop from 13.04 to 13.10. It gets to the login screen just fine. Once logged in, the screen is black. The mouse continues to move about okay. Nothing loads. There is a crash file in /var/crash of "_usr_lib_x86_64-linux-gnu_hud_hud-service.1000.crash". I'm given the chance to report the error and then nothing else happens
[09:54] <SuperMatt> :/
[09:54] <bigcalm> I can ssh into the laptop, so rebooting isn't a case of holding the power button
[09:55] <bigcalm> sudo shutdown -P now
[09:55] <bigcalm> Erm, there goes the whole of freenode
[09:55] <SuperMatt> ?
[09:56] <bigcalm> A joke. I typed that into IRC instead of a terminal on the laptop
[09:56] <SuperMatt> oh right
[09:57] <SuperMatt> I thought you were saying what command you used to shut down :P
[10:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:13] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:13] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:13] <brobostigon> any aviate launcher invites going free?
[10:15]  * bigcalm ponders giving up making his laptop work and just buy a new one
[10:23] <davmor2> bigcalm: what's up with your laptop?
[10:23] <awilkins> Saucy.... ;-)
[10:24] <awilkins> I can see that getting old fast... ^
[10:24] <bigcalm> davmor2: <bigcalm> Upgraded my laptop from 13.04 to 13.10. It gets to the login screen just fine. Once logged in, the screen is black. The mouse continues to move about okay. Nothing loads. There is a crash file in /var/crash of "_usr_lib_x86_64-linux-gnu_hud_hud-service.1000.crash". I'm given the chance to report the error and then nothing else happens
[10:25] <bigcalm> davmor2: legacy ATI
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: Switch to vt, install w3m, the you should be able to report the crash
[10:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: what is the gfx card on the laptop?
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: it's allowed me to report the crash
[10:27] <davmor2> bigcalm: how without a webbrowser?
[10:28] <MooDoo> hay morning davmor2
[10:28] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: have you installed the binary gfx drivers if so remove them and reboot
[10:29] <bigcalm> Humm, okay
[10:32] <davmor2> bigcalm: sometimes the new drivers can't cope with the old config this is why I back everything up and do fresh installs :)
[10:40] <mungbean_> can't decide whether i want 2 x 4:3 monitors or one 16:9 monitor
[10:41] <awilkins> 2x 4:3 monitors as long as they are 1600x1200 ones
[10:41] <awilkins> But where would you find a 4:3 1600x1200 monitor these days....
[10:41] <mungbean_> they are 1280x0124
[10:41] <mungbean_> i just scavenge what i can find
[10:41] <mungbean_> i think my performance problems are related to 2 monitors though
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: one 21:9 one
[10:42] <awilkins> Hmm, well, the 16:9 one is likely to be a 1920x1050 one, max
[10:42] <awilkins> So I'd go with 2=
[10:42] <mungbean_> yeah
[10:42] <mungbean_> i think i'll ask for a bigger single monitor
[10:42] <awilkins> I just have 2 widescreen ones...
[10:43] <awilkins> 1920x1080 (high Hz 3D one) and a 1680x1050 one to the right. After my primary 1680x1050 cold cathode tube failed
[10:43] <awilkins> At least I think it was the tube
[10:43] <awilkins> New one is LED
[10:45] <SuperMatt> Who were the two young guys at the launch party last night? From Oxford. Are you here?
[10:45] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, the laptop does work with the basic driver. Same problem I had when I upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04 though - fan always running and slow graphics. Guess I need to wait for a PPA to come out with legacy ATI drivers that work in 13.10
[10:47] <davmor2> bigcalm: no now you can try the ati gfx pick the -updates one see if that works if not install the standard ones
[10:47] <bigcalm> davmor2: eh?
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> also, the new kernel doesn't enable the new ATI bits by default, does it?
[10:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: the config is now set to the current free driver. The issue was possibly that you had a ppa gfx install with it's cofig that was different to the standard, you can now try the ati drivers as it will have a fresh config now
[10:51] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't forget ppa are disabled on upgrades and not re-enabled so you, ppa build driver would still be set for raring with a possibly modified ati config
[10:54] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: ah, were you there last night? Who were you?
[10:54] <SuperMatt> SuperMatt
[10:54] <SuperMatt> I disappeared at 8
[10:54] <SuperMatt> wearing my quantal t-shirt
[10:54] <SuperMatt> very unwell
[10:54] <BigRedS> oh, that's about when I got there
[10:54] <SuperMatt> ah
[10:54] <SuperMatt> do you know anything about the two guys from oxford?
[10:55] <BigRedS> nope
[10:55] <SuperMatt> dang
[10:55] <SuperMatt> if anyone does, please prod me
[10:55] <BigRedS> I had seen them before, at events
[10:59] <SuperMatt> do you have names?
[10:59] <BigRedS> I did, I don't remember them
[10:59] <SuperMatt> doh
[11:07] <bigcalm> davmor2: https://launchpad.net/~makson96/+archive/fglrx is the PPA that was using for the legacy ATI driver. But there's no saucy build yet. I tried using the raring one, but it didn't work
[11:08] <davmor2> How old is your laptop if it's using legacy drivers
[11:08] <bigcalm> Reading the top line of the PPA page "If there will be no more driver updates made by AMD, than this repository will not support Ubuntu 13.10 and beyond. Use open source drivers instead (installed by default)."
[11:08] <davmor2> bigcalm: time to treat yourself to a new laptop I think :)
[11:09] <bigcalm> Dell Studio 1558 (2010)
[11:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: yeah, would love to
[11:09] <MooDoo> bigcalm: I've a studio 17
[11:09] <bigcalm> Maybe I'll put Windows 7 on it
[11:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: although, it might be interesting to see if it is on a separate card and if it can be replaced with a different card
[11:10] <bigcalm> davmor2: I'd love to swap out the graphics card. No idea if it'll work though
[11:11] <bigcalm> Forums say no
[11:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: :(
[11:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: I can recommend my ideapad
[11:14] <bigcalm> davmor2: then what will you use?
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: hahaha the new one I buy with the money I charge you to buy this one :P
[11:15] <bigcalm> Nope, don't have a grand to spend on a laptop
[11:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: mind didn't cost that much, it had £150 off :D
[11:33]  * awilkins also likes teh Lenovo
[11:37] <mungbean_> is unity game engine now available for linux?
[11:37] <mungbean_> i.e. are games like this relatively easy to get on linx too? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1847847657/raindrop-0?ref=discover_pop
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> I think so, yes
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> popey knows
[11:40] <mungbean_> new ostrich pillow is still hilarious
[11:43] <mungbean_> i use something else a lot cheaper and simpler
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: cats?
[11:44] <mungbean_> a muslin sheet wrapped as a blindfold
[11:44] <mungbean_> quite comfy and blocks sound, light and has padding
[11:51] <directhex> Unity 4 runs on mac/windows and can export linux i386 and amd64 binaries
[11:52] <directhex> developers need to pay to upgrade their existing unity 3 licenses, if they have them, for this functionality
[11:53] <mungbean_> worth having a wide net for a kickstarter surely
[11:54] <ali1234> games aren't that hard to port to linux anyway
[11:55] <ali1234> compared with, say, a GUI application written entirely using win32 api
[11:57] <popey> mungbean_: i tend to contact the developers if it doesn't mention linux and ask why. so far two have said "I have no linux machine so cant test" and I offered to test for them, they now offer linux versions which is nice
[11:57] <popey> unfortunately one of them is not going to meet the target
[11:58] <directhex> Unity3D linux ports are *in theory* one-click
[11:58] <directhex> until they want to "test" their result, or start adding middleware
[11:58] <mungbean_> somebody interested in linux gaming might wanna contact these guys then
[11:58] <mungbean_> i might come out of retirement when my kids are older
[12:01] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyLDMaBXjE is me taking an arbitrary windows-only unity 3 project & compiling it for ubuntu
[12:02] <directhex> most of the video is a 3->4 import progress bar
[12:02] <mungbean_> comparethemarket is offering over £100 less witht he same insurer. scumbag britain
[12:05] <ali1234> what i find more impressive about unity is how it can target to flash runtime
[12:06] <directhex> ali1234, that feature is being removed iirc
[12:06] <ali1234> i don't care. it's impressive that they got it to work at all
[12:07] <directhex> http://blogs.unity3d.com/2013/04/23/sunsetting-flash/
[12:07] <ali1234> why does your video have rain sounds on it?
[12:07] <directhex> iirc it's implemented as a .net bytecode to actionscript bytecode converter thingy
[12:07] <directhex> ali1234, the windows recorder app i used does not allow silence, only microphone or one of a set of pre-selected tracks
[12:09] <ali1234> yeah i only know about the flash stuff because after a rather boring talk about how they made unity port target linux with almost no effort at all, there was an extremely interesting talk about the effort required to target flash
[12:13] <ali1234> http://video.unity3d.com/video/6958381/unite-2012-linux-and-flash <- second half of this video
[12:25] <mungbean_> directhex: thats weird
[12:26] <mungbean_> "does not allow silence,"
[12:26] <mungbean_> UAT fail
[12:26] <mungbean_> cheaper car insurance but no meerkat :(
[12:29] <MooDoo> yay for nectar points, nintendo ds for £12 :D
[12:29] <directhex> mungbean_, the bundled tracks are all copyrighted by the app authors, so they can monetize your vids on youtube
[12:31] <mungbean_> sneaky
[12:31] <mungbean_> pretty good MooDoo
[12:32] <MooDoo> yeah I'm quite happy :D
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: A DS? Isn't that old?
[13:02] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: it's one of the new 2ds's
[13:02] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: giving in to your pokemon cravings?
[13:02] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: pressie
[13:02] <SuperMatt> oh cool
[13:02] <SuperMatt> I bet it gets used for pokemon purposes
[13:02] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: shuuush ;)
[13:03] <SuperMatt> I've just sold me 3ds to my housemate because she wanted to get pokemon but hand no DS
[13:03] <MooDoo> this new 2ds plays 3ds ds and dsi games
[13:03] <SuperMatt> yeah
[13:04] <mungbean_> 2ds tablet
[13:04] <MooDoo> it's wieird though as it's not foldable
[13:04] <mungbean_> u know why?
[13:04] <MooDoo> cheaper to make?
[13:04] <SuperMatt> yeah, weren't they aim for the low end of the market with the 2ds?
[13:04] <mungbean_> probably. its a single screen, so maybe a stepping stone to tablet DS
[13:05] <SuperMatt> ah, sneaky
[13:05] <MooDoo> no 2ds is double screen
[13:05] <mungbean_> http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-10-16-this-is-what-the-2ds-huge-single-lcd-screen-looks-like
[13:06] <mungbean_> is double "screen"
[13:06] <mungbean_> but a single lcd
[13:06] <MooDoo> ah understand now
[13:06] <diddledan> ali1234: that unity-to-flash is evil
[13:07] <ali1234> evil?
[13:07] <diddledan> the language doesn't support goto. poo. but the player does so lets hack the compiled swf
[13:07] <diddledan> ali1234: as in what they had to do to get it to work
[13:09] <diddledan> at least a meelion lines of llvm-converted-to-actionscript just for their c++ runtime; that's before they get onto the actual game code written in c#
[13:11] <ali1234> yeah, well, i told you it was impressive
[13:12] <diddledan> they must have some incredibly smart cookies
[13:12] <SuperMatt> mmm... cookies
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: or masochists
[13:20] <bigcalm> T - 7 days, 1 hour, 9 mins
[13:20] <MooDoo> bigcalm: till what?
[13:20] <bigcalm> :O
[13:21] <diddledan> bigcalm: T + 1 day
[13:21] <bigcalm> Something wonderful happens
[13:21] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: TTL on your DNS zone?
[13:21] <bigcalm> diddledan: you getting married tomorrow?
[13:21] <bigcalm> Erm, yesterday
[13:21] <diddledan> bigcalm: no ubuntu was released yesterday
[13:21] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:21] <MooDoo> bigcalm: 7 days till you convert to Fedora?
[13:21] <diddledan> EEK
[13:21] <MooDoo> lol
[13:21] <bigcalm> Nasty
[13:21] <diddledan> don't scare me like that
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> 7 days until he becomes a dad?
[13:22] <bigcalm> 7 days to my wedding day
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> close enough :P
[13:22] <diddledan> I think it's 7 days till he loses everything to a divorce :-p
[13:22] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:22] <bigcalm> diddledan: not nice
[13:22] <MooDoo> 7 days then till everything starts going down hill ;)
[13:23] <bigcalm> You guys are filling me with confidence :P
[13:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: the rumours about the ring burning are true ;)
[13:23] <bigcalm> We've been together for 5 years. Not sure if much will change
[13:23] <diddledan> bigcalm: probably not much at all will change
[13:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Who was talking about Nexus 5 earlier? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/nexus-5-leaked-on-google-play-349-for-16gb/
[13:23] <diddledan> bigcalm: you'll get a decent holiday however
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I was, because of that article
[13:23] <MooDoo> bigcalm: if anything it'll be a most wonderful day and you'll think about it for years to come.
[13:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: maybe on another site, but same news story :)
[13:26] <bigcalm> It's going to be a quieter than normal weekend with most peeps at oggcamp
[13:26] <bigcalm> Who can I bribe to bring me back a mug?
[13:27] <SuperMatt> alas not me :(
[13:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not me. I generally try not to do t'up north much...
[13:31] <popey> indeed it is
[13:31]  * popey is on the M6
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:31] <diddledan> popey: shouldn't you be watching the road?! :-p
[13:32] <bigcalm> I'm guessing he has a driver for the day
[13:32] <bigcalm> Canonical are paying him too much
[13:33] <popey> pffft
[13:33] <popey> the road can watch itself
[13:34] <SuperMatt> it has all those cats eyes, it should be able to see something
[14:00] <bigcalm> Gah, damn you sabdfl
[14:00] <mungbean_> bigcalm: good luck for the wedding/marriage
[14:01] <bigcalm> mungbean_: thank you
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: what about him?
[14:01] <mungbean_> i am approaching 8yrs in a couple weeks
[14:01] <bigcalm> Dave2: an ubuntu release, just for you!
[14:02] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295
[14:02] <MartijnVdS>  trusty tahr..
[14:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh.
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> goats!
[14:05] <Laney> how do you pronounce it?
[14:05] <Laney> tar?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> .gz
[14:06] <diplo> Laney: That;s how I'd say it
[14:06] <diddledan> I'd say it tahr
[14:07] <diddledan> it's exactly as it looks
[14:07] <diddledan> :-p
[14:07]  * Laney covers diddledan in tahr
[14:07] <diddledan> different sort of tahr
[14:07] <diddledan> :-D
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> tare?
[14:07] <Laney> mmm goaty
[14:08] <Laney> trusty is good though
[14:08] <SuperMatt> how do we pronounce that?
[14:08] <Laney> I don't hate it like I hated feisty gutsy maverick oneiric quantal raring
[14:08] <mungbean_> what is 13.10 sexy sausage?
[14:08] <SuperMatt> saucy salamander
[14:08] <mungbean_> Laney: you liked hairy hardon?
[14:08] <diddledan> mungbean_: serious salami
[14:09] <Laney> humongous, please
[14:09] <diddledan> mungbean_: spicy sausage
[14:09] <diddledan> oh you already said sausage
[14:09] <diddledan> erm
[14:09] <diddledan> spicy spaghetti
[14:09] <mungbean_> should be sausage realted
[14:09] <mungbean_> what did fedora do?
[14:09] <mungbean_> beefy
[14:09] <diddledan> beefy miracle - it's a miracle because they're surprised anyone downloaded it
[14:12] <ixxvil> hey
[14:12] <ixxvil> for the security updates alert is it best to just install all of those
[14:13] <ixxvil> or it's not exctly necessary unless i'm super anal about security?
[14:14] <ixxvil> or arethe updates only pertaining to what pkgs i've installed ?
[14:14] <shauno> it's usually best practice to install them unless you have a real reason not to
[14:14] <shauno> and yeah, you'll only get updates to packages you already have installed
[14:14] <ixxvil> ah cool
[14:14] <ixxvil> thanks
[14:16] <ixxvil> also i'm on 12.04, but i hear there's a 13 now, is there any reason to switch?
[14:17] <diddledan> you'll have to go through 13.04 to get to 13.10 which was released yesterday
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: 12.04 is a long-term stable release, the next release (14.04) will be one as well, you can upgrade to that when it's released in April if you don't want to do the intermediate upgrades (12.04 -> 12.10 -> 13.04 -> 13.10 -> 14.04)
[14:18] <shauno> if it's a server, I'd be tempted to leave it on 12.04 (LTS) unless there's a specific need to upgrade
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: (waiting results in the much simpler 12.04 -> 14.04)
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> !lts
[14:19] <ixxvil> alright
[14:19] <ixxvil> thanks yea im not running anything big here
[14:19] <ixxvil> you could say it is a server i guess, vps sort of thing
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> ixxvil: but you might not want to download 6-700MB 3 times in a row :)
[14:20] <shauno> mainly because I'm lazy, and don't want to have to upgrade my server every 6 months. staying on the LTS track means I'm still supported through the lifecycle, but with a less frantic upgrade schedule
[14:20] <ixxvil> MartijnVdS: ye makes sense
[14:20] <jpickett> tahr
[14:20] <ixxvil> alright thanks
[14:20] <ixxvil> cheers
[14:21] <shauno> I say that, I think I'm still on 10.04  *twiddles thumbs*
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno: no the next release will be trusty tahr, not "twiddles thumbs" :P
[14:22] <bashrc> terrifying tarantula
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have a machine on 10.04 as well, because its VIA CPU isn't supported in later versions
[14:22] <shauno> really?  I have an old via that took deb7 happily enough
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Ubuntu enabled some gcc flag to use SSE instructions
[14:23] <MartijnVdS> or something similar
[14:23] <shauno> I can't remember exactly what one, but it's a 700MHz that's old enough that pc/104 boards made more sense than mini-itx
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: mine is a VIA Epia 10000 (mini-itx)
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> but I can't re-install easily, because it's actually in heavy continuous use
[14:25] <shauno> ooh, 798MHz apparently .. eden esp8000
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> oh wait, mine's 667MHz
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/boards/301/1/EPIA_ML_%28EOL%29.html
[14:32] <shauno> it doesn't have a CF slot?  well that's silly
[14:34] <SuperMatt> huh
[14:34] <SuperMatt> juju is cool
[14:34] <SuperMatt> like, freaking awesome cool
[14:39] <diddledan> SuperMatt: it can get expensive
[14:40] <diddledan> not juju itself, but server costs
[14:40]  * awilkins disengages upgrade dampeners
[14:41] <diddledan> awilkins: we hav'ne got the powar cap'n - she canne handle it
[14:41] <awilkins> Approaching 2.7MB/s
[14:41] <diddledan> you'll be breaking warp 10 soon
[14:42] <shauno> unpossible! (without travellers?)
[14:42] <diddledan> if you manage to do the kessler run in 2 parsecs I'll be impressed
[14:42] <SuperMatt> diddledan: I kinda figured that, but I wanna look at it from a maas/lxc point of view
[14:42] <diddledan> SuperMatt: aah
[14:43] <SuperMatt> it looks like you can have a server somewhere, and add new containers to it with stuff on it, which is cool
[14:43] <diddledan> noice
[14:44] <diddledan> I wonder how many folk have put google's anal tics on their site and then promptly forgot all about it
[14:44] <SuperMatt> MANY
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: google's what?
[14:45] <mungbean_> itchy bum time
[14:45] <SuperMatt> I haven't forgotten I have it on my site, I just don't bother checking the stats
[14:45] <diddledan> I can't remember the last time I actually bothered to look at the stats - but google is learning a lot about my visitors
[14:46] <diddledan> I'm an enabler
[14:46] <diddledan> I should feel ashamed
[14:48] <shauno> the world would be a very different place if you felt shame
[14:49] <diddledan> shauno: you of all people should know that's never going to happen :-p
[14:49] <shauno> :(
[14:50] <diddledan> <-- shameless and proud
[14:51] <diddledan> why do I have to work on a site about trapped wind
[14:51] <diddledan> ?!
[14:51] <shauno> as long as their budget isn't trapped, that's a silly question
[14:51] <diddledan> I just got this from a colleague: http://media0.giphy.com/media/MOWPkhRAUbR7i/giphy.gif
[14:51] <diddledan> I helped him do something he didn't know how to do
[14:52] <diddledan> gotta love minions
[14:52] <mungbean_> fried ones
[14:53] <diddledan> oh lol.. email to ubuntu-uk mailing list: anyone know when I can start looking out for the first testing daily build of trusty?
[14:53] <mungbean_> i saw those in the grabber arcade machine things
[14:53] <mungbean_> next to angry birds star wars cuddly toys
[14:53] <mungbean_> really wanted teh AB toys
[14:53] <mungbean_> but i know those grapple hook games are a swizz
[14:53] <diddledan> mungbean_: how much money did you lose?
[14:53] <mungbean_> zero
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: gabber arcade machines!
[14:53] <diddledan> phew
[14:53] <mungbean_> self-control
[14:54] <diddledan> yeah, those claws are evil
[14:54] <mungbean_> although when i was a teenager we were at alton towers
[14:54] <diddledan> "the claw!!!!"
[14:54] <mungbean_> and the machine had been set to easy
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: Laura Branigan?
[14:54] <mungbean_> we were grabbing every time
[14:54] <mungbean_> and handing them out to random girls who walked past
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: "This is how I met my wife"
[14:54] <diddledan> mungbean_: you flirt
[14:54] <mungbean_> getting 3 toys for 50p
[14:55] <MooDoo> Trusty Thar if yu've not seen
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> gold in them Thar hills?
[14:55] <MooDoo> tahr i mean - http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295
[14:55] <mungbean_> i think the machines are set to payout of 20% or something, so no skillz involved
[14:56] <mungbean_> http://www.wikihow.com/Win-at-a-Claw-Machine is nonsense
[14:56] <mungbean_> because the grabber lets go easily
[14:57] <mungbean_> "Some claw machines have a variable setting so that the claw grabs at full strength at intervals. It's usually 10 - meaning that every 10 tries the claw will be stronger than usual."
[15:00] <mungbean_> the trouble with the tangfastics haribo with watermelon pieces in is that every piece gets tainted by the flavour of watermelon pieces. not enough QA done there.
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've recently discovered Maom Pinballs. They are *really* nice.
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://kevssnackreviews.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/maoam-pinballs-review.html
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean_: ^__^
[15:13] <mungbean_> soft or hard?
[15:13] <mungbean_> chewy
[15:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> They are chewy
[15:13] <mungbean_> my friend bought me 3 bags of sour mix hairbo
[15:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> not like a hard boiled
[15:13] <mungbean_> my dentist is gonna kill me
[15:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[15:13] <mungbean_> he did a compeition on facebook and said he'd give £10 to the winner
[15:14] <mungbean_> i felt bad so i said just gimme a bag of haribo
[15:14] <mungbean_> he got me 3
[15:15] <shauno> you felt bad taking money *from* a dentist?  does not compute
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right - I'm offski. Got to ferry kids about early evening then to pub! Have a lovely weekend everyone.
[15:20] <MooDoo> later
[15:35] <SuperMatt> doh, instead of typing "sudo du ..." I send up with "sud ..."
[15:35] <SuperMatt> best of both worlds, I gbuess
[15:40] <mungbean_> sudoku?
[15:40] <mungbean_> shauno: no, he wasn't a dentist
[15:40] <SuperMatt> not quite, there's no k in sudo or du :P
[15:40] <mungbean_> but my dentist will tell me off for eating sweets
[15:41] <shauno> ahhh I read that back-to-front.  makes more sense now
[15:41] <mungbean_> i'm scared to go
[15:41] <mungbean_> haven't been in a while
[15:46] <diddledan> I went a few weeks ago - think I need to go back
[15:47] <diddledan> she drilled a tooth and plopped a filling in saying "it was very deep and close to the nerve" and requesting that I go back if it was sensitive after a couple weeks
[15:47] <diddledan> she muted the immortal words "root canal"
[15:47] <diddledan> joy
[15:52] <ali1234> http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-17-221834.png
[15:53] <ali1234> "just click on syste tings!"
[15:53] <ali1234> "sixty things?"
[15:53] <ali1234> "no, syste tings!"
[15:54] <diddledan> I assume that is system settings?
[15:55] <diddledan> I like "dropters" too
[15:57] <popey> ☻
[16:00] <mungbean_> i don't understand poo
[16:00] <mungbean_> if you do't poo for a week , where does it all go?
[16:00] <mungbean_> does it join a queue system?
[16:00] <ali1234> it's a FIFO
[16:01] <mungbean_> do we always walk around with a few days backlog in there?
[16:01] <SuperMatt> shouldn't be a few days, should it?
[16:01] <mungbean_> when we feel like we are empty, is there really 2 days worth still up the pipe?
[16:01] <SuperMatt> I thought you'd have at most a day
[16:01] <SuperMatt> but I think it all depends
[16:02] <SuperMatt> when I've had periods of heavy exercise, I may not dump my logs for a day or two
[16:02] <mungbean_> my digestive system got confused after a tummy bug some weeks ago
[16:02] <bigcalm> This is where I close irc, taaraa
[16:03] <SuperMatt> byeee
[16:03] <SuperMatt> have a good weekend
[16:03] <mungbean_> ponders slapping quadruple boot on the laptop
[16:03] <mungbean_> 12.04, 13.10, elementary, centos
[16:04] <SuperMatt> is there really much point in putting elementary on there if you have 12.04?
[16:04] <mungbean_> yes
[16:04] <SuperMatt> I would go with something like 12.04, +1, arch, centos
[16:04] <mungbean_> not much point having 12.04 on there thou
[16:04] <mungbean_> i use elementary as my main oS
[16:04] <SuperMatt> well elementary = 12.04++
[16:05] <mungbean_> yep
[16:05] <SuperMatt> so ditching 12.04 wouldn't be terribkle
[16:05] <mungbean_> i think i have actually
[16:05] <mungbean_> i think i fudged it by doing 12.04 + elementary PPA
[16:05] <mungbean_> but thats not ideal
[16:05] <SuperMatt> no, it's not
[16:05] <mungbean_> so i think elementary/13.04/.centos
[16:05] <mungbean_> 13.10 i mean
[16:06] <SuperMatt> no +1?
[16:06] <SuperMatt> I would leave a little space for +1
[16:06] <mungbean_> +1?
[16:06] <SuperMatt> well, 14.04
[16:06] <mungbean_> oh i have windows 7 on it too
[16:06] <mungbean_> thats the otheros
[16:06] <SuperMatt> I always make sure I have a space available for the next version
[16:06] <mungbean_> 13.10 will just be playground
[16:06] <mungbean_> right hometime
[16:06] <SuperMatt> cheerio
[17:19] <ali1234> is there a way to do incremental backups of mysql?
[17:19] <ali1234> i've kinda inherited a server
[17:19] <ali1234> and it is setup to do rsnapshot backups
[17:19] <ali1234> but the only thing that ever changes on it is the database
[17:20] <ali1234> these are backed up by dumping each database to a text file, which is then part of the rsnapshot
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> well that should then be incremental
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> as long as rsnapshot uses rsync
[17:20] <ali1234> it isn't
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> maybe have it use rsync -c
[17:21] <ali1234> rsnapshot is incremental in the sense it only stores a new copy of files that changed
[17:21] <ali1234> if you change one row in the databse, rsnapshot stores a new copy of the entire 500B dump
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: there's automysqlbackup
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> maybe that has some slick tricks?
[17:22] <ali1234> i was thinking of putting the mysqldumps into a git repo, and then rsnapshotting that
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: eek
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> though you'd be able to keep ALL of the history :)
[17:22] <ali1234> well yes
[17:22] <ali1234> stuff never ever gets deleted from this db, it's a CMS
[17:24] <ali1234> git is a pretty bad solution though
[17:25] <ali1234> also, it's an ancient rhel server
[17:25] <ali1234> it probably doesn't even have it
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: the only thing I can find using google is "use innodb's binarylog"
[17:25] <ali1234> that means absolutely nothing at all to me
[17:26] <BigRedS> don't percona have a thingy for doing that?
[17:26] <BigRedS> xtrabackup's generally a good way of backing up DBs, not sure if it does that, though
[17:28] <ali1234> ugh webmin
[17:28] <ali1234> why is it writing into /etc?
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> because it's a tool to edit your config files over the web?
[17:28] <ali1234> yeah but nobody is touching it
[17:28] <ali1234> it is writing logs there
[17:29] <ali1234> /etc/webmin/system-status/history/load is constantly changing
[17:29] <diddledan> webmin is a frankenstein
[17:30] <ali1234> that file is 3MB too
[17:31] <ali1234> "1337937217 0.18" x 140000 lines
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> unix timestamp system load
[17:31] <ali1234> this is part of the "incremental" backup
[17:40] <ali1234> how do you quit rtorrent?
[17:41] <shauno> the 7-step program?
[17:41] <mgdm> xtrabackup is quite good
[17:41] <ali1234> ctrl-q
[18:10] <ali1234> popey: i found another way to make the system crawl with high-io, not involving usb at all this time
[18:11] <ali1234> make a UDF loopback image and then copy files into it from the same partition where the image is
[18:46] <mungbean_> or copy endlessly into ramdisk?
[19:00] <mungbean_> new kindle fires out today?
[19:01] <mungbean_> We added the latest graphics engine, doubled the memory and tripled the processing power with the most advanced 2.2 GHz quad-core processor. Our HDX displays bring together exceptional pixel density (up to 339 ppi), perfect 100% sRGB colour accuracy, improved brightness and dynamic image contrast. You also get up to 11 hours of battery life—17 hours when you're reading.
[19:13] <knightwise> even everyone
[19:13] <knightwise> evenin
[19:14] <knightwise> I was thinking about gettin me the new nexus
[19:17] <DJones> knightwise: Do it
[19:17] <knightwise> worth it ?
[19:17] <knightwise> perhaps to put ubuntu on it
[19:17] <DJones> For me yes, does everything I want, wife just got one and she's happy with it as well
[19:17] <knightwise> not touch , but full ubuntu
[19:18] <knightwise> DJones: i had the first nexus 7 , loved it apart from the screen
[19:18] <DJones> Not sure if I'd replace the os, maybe on a 2nd hand original nexus, but not on a new one
[19:19] <knightwise> DJones: even with 'full ubuntu ?"
[19:19] <DJones> For me, yes, Android does everything I need
[19:20] <DJones> There's nothing that Ubuntu would offer that Android doesn't in day to day use
[19:21] <knightwise> aside from the terminal and the ability to hit up an external keyboard and mouse , hence turn it into a very very small laptop
[19:21] <DJones> Yeah but its a tablet, not a laptop with a keyboard and a mouse
[19:22] <knightwise> true
[19:22] <knightwise> but you know , one tends to tinker with those things just because one can :)
[19:23] <DJones> If you want a small laptop, thats what you buy, I bought it because it was a tablet and thats what I wanted
[19:24] <ali1234> i have both and i use the tablet far more
[19:24] <knightwise> true
[19:24] <ali1234> i never use the terminal, but android has one
[19:24] <knightwise> i have an ipad mini now because I didn't have the storage on the nexus
[19:24] <ali1234> i even have a bluetooth keyboard for it, which i never use
[19:25] <knightwise> but I might go back to a 16 gig nexus
[19:25] <DJones> I thought about about a bluetooth keyboard, then realised, the number of times I'd use would be minimal
[19:25] <ali1234> i have literally never used it since i got it and tested it
[19:26] <ali1234> the only time i use my laptop any more is when i need to test something and a VM is impractical
[19:27] <ali1234> i have installed ubuntu touch on it - i wouldn't replace android with it
[19:28] <knightwise> ali1234: I agree, Ubuntu touch isn't ready to be a daily driver just yet
[19:28] <ali1234> it will never catch up with android
[19:29] <knightwise> ... there . just remapped the launcher key, hid the launch bar and installed kupfer... Unity is still there but no longer bothering me
[19:29] <knightwise> I tested the Huawei Ascend mate last week
[19:29] <knightwise> cool 6.1 inch 'phablet' ... also very nice implementation of android
[19:29] <ali1234> it currently lacks a decent web browser, a decent email client, maps, and the edge gestures are horrible - plus you have to use them constantly because all the buttons and menus are inaccessible without them
[19:32] <knightwise> ali1234: sounds like "a good idea" but not something you can implement yet
[19:33] <knightwise> speaking of keyboard and mouse , i was thinking of getting me one of those smart docks for my galaxy note 2
[19:33] <knightwise> I just dock it and then I can attach a keyboard a mouse and a display
[19:33] <ali1234> but why?
[19:33] <knightwise> also something nice to play with;
[19:33] <ali1234> why not just buy a computer instead?
[19:33] <ali1234> it's probably cheaper
[19:33] <knightwise> ali1234: probably right .. but its always nice to try
[19:33] <knightwise> a dock is about 70 euros
[19:34] <knightwise> pretty expensive for a samsung accessorie
[19:42] <DJones> If you need a hardware keyboard, buy a laptop or a blackberry
[19:42] <knightwise> aarg :) A blackberry :)
[19:42] <knightwise> to be honest, I think you are right , a tablet is a tablet , i think there isn't a point into turning it into a laptop
[19:44] <DJones> To me there's 3 ways of looking at it, there's laptops, there's phones and then there's tablets, tablets seem the best of both worlds, phablets are an odd mix, too big for a phone, but too small for a tablet
[19:49] <knightwise> http://knightwise.com/reviewing-the-huawei-ascend-mate/  I did a review on the Mate
[21:04] <leo_33\> what does still in the running mean if you call back after an interview and they say that?
[21:05] <ali1234> it means they have not rejected you yet
[21:07] <leo_33\> ok ali. thanks . however i guess that means they will do so soon?
[21:11] <ali1234> it doesn't mean anything really
[21:11] <ali1234> it's a way of not giving you any information
[21:11] <ali1234> it probably isn't even true, and they probably would say it regardless of what decision they had already made
[21:22] <shauno> where I am, 'still in the running' is the nice big gray patch in between HR taking out the No's, and the relevant dept picking a Yes
[21:23] <shauno> except sometimes it means they've picked a yes, but want to keep you hanging a little while just incase there's more turn-over and they can take second-choice instead of paying the recruiters again
[21:28] <leo_33\> i see.dont recruiters get paid once someone gets hired?
[21:30] <ali1234> no, i think they get paid based on how many resumes they submit
[21:30] <ali1234> i can't really see any other explanation for the way they behave
[21:31] <shauno> I think ours get a % of the first year's salary.  but that doesn't explain why they .. I can't think of a better phrase than throwing the proverbial at a wall and waiting to see what sticks
[21:46] <andylockran> yo
[21:46] <andylockran> congrats for the release!