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| sil2100 | Trevinho: ping | 08:04 |
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| mital | hi can anybody point me to an example of gtk apis for unity | 08:19 |
| Cimi | tsdgeos, should be better now https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/carousel-loader/+merge/190406 | 08:35 |
| tsdgeos | Cimi: yeep | 08:39 |
| tsdgeos | greyback: it's const& day! https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity-mir/const_ref/+merge/191772 | 09:27 |
| mzanetti | tsdgeos: you sure about this one? MirSurface *surfaceFor(std::shared_ptr<mir::shell::Surface> const& surface); | 09:38 |
| tsdgeos | mzanetti: what's wrong about it? | 09:40 |
| tsdgeos | mzanetti: saves us the creation of a new shared_ptr | 09:41 |
| tsdgeos | which is not cheap at all | 09:41 |
| tsdgeos | needs to increment the refcount, etc | 09:41 |
| mzanetti | tsdgeos: well nothing really wrong... this way to write it is actually new to me but I just read some docs... seems to be the same as const T & | 09:41 |
| tsdgeos | and then delete it | 09:41 |
| tsdgeos | mzanetti: ah yeah, the whole file is written like that | 09:41 |
| tsdgeos | i don't like it either | 09:41 |
| tsdgeos | but there where you do do as you see | 09:42 |
| tsdgeos | two many "do" in there :D | 09:42 |
| tsdgeos | ah no it's a typo | 09:42 |
| tsdgeos | "but there where you go do as you see" | 09:42 |
| mzanetti | doesn't help me to understand what you mean :P | 09:43 |
| mzanetti | ah... got it | 09:43 |
| mzanetti | yes | 09:43 |
| mzanetti | I agree | 09:43 |
| mzanetti | approved | 09:43 |
| tsdgeos | mzanetti: it's a spanish saying, don't know the "proper" english translation if there is one | 09:46 |
| tsdgeos | ah yeah | 09:46 |
| mzanetti | tsdgeos: yeah... I think I figured what you mean | 09:46 |
| tsdgeos | that when in rome do as romans do | 09:46 |
| mzanetti | haha | 09:46 |
| tsdgeos | that's supossed to be the "real" english way of saying it | 09:46 |
| tsdgeos | it's weird how kmail tells me CI messages are scam because they contain ip addresses :D | 09:49 |
| greyback | mzanetti: tsdgeos: yes I prefer "const T&" to "T const&" too, but the former is what the Mir guys used and so I kept it for their types | 09:55 |
| greyback | s/former/latter/ | 09:56 |
| mzanetti | greyback: sure... no prob | 09:57 |
| Cimi | Saviq, tsdgeos https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1229661 | 10:04 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1229661 in Unity 8 "Only one dash header can be expanded at a time" [High,Triaged] | 10:04 |
| Cimi | on this bug, we have loads of logic in the code | 10:04 |
| tsdgeos | Cimi: not a bug | 10:04 |
| tsdgeos | it's a feature | 10:04 |
| Cimi | tsdgeos, indeed | 10:04 |
| tsdgeos | oren wanted it like that | 10:04 |
| Cimi | tsdgeos, I am reading code... | 10:04 |
| tsdgeos | now | 10:04 |
| tsdgeos | seems like ux people should talk more to themselves :D | 10:05 |
| Cimi | ahahaha | 10:05 |
| tsdgeos | or Oren has lost the battle :D | 10:05 |
| Saviq | Cimi, please confirm with them that this in fact is correct | 10:05 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I will | 10:05 |
| Cimi | Saviq, didn't want to deprecate all this code | 10:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, deprecate? ;D | 10:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you'll need to add code to keep them expanded ;) | 10:06 |
| Saviq | Cimi, as there's only support now for a single one expanded at a time | 10:06 |
| Cimi | Saviq, no it's remove code | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, believe me it's not | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, or not only that | 10:07 |
| Cimi | Saviq, there is a logic that collapses items no? | 10:07 |
| Cimi | from a quick look we collapse if the category changes | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yes, but there's also logic that uncollapses them on creation | 10:07 |
| Cimi | we just need to remove that | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we need to "cache" which are expanded | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we're destroying the categories when they're off screen | 10:07 |
| Saviq | Cimi, so we would need to keep a set that's supposed to be expanded | 10:08 |
| didrocks | Saviq: for memory saving? (I thought qml will do that for us) | 10:08 |
| Cimi | ok | 10:08 |
| Saviq | didrocks, yes, and yes it does | 10:08 |
| Saviq | didrocks, that's what I meant by "we" | 10:08 |
| didrocks | ah ok ;) | 10:08 |
| Saviq | didrocks, except in this case it's tsdgeos that's doing it ;) | 10:08 |
| didrocks | heh, ok :) | 10:09 |
| Saviq | didrocks, 'cause we have a custom ListView | 10:09 |
| Cimi | so it leaks! | 10:09 |
| * Cimi runs away | 10:09 | |
| didrocks | Saviq: interesting, ok, due to the custom ListView :) | 10:09 |
| Saviq | Cimi, huh? | 10:10 |
| Cimi | Saviq, was mocking | 10:11 |
| Cimi | Saviq, nothing used more memory than my carousel when I was using repeater :) | 10:11 |
| Saviq | ok, /me is in low power mode today | 10:11 |
| Saviq | Cimi, oh I think greyback's application manager beat you there ;D | 10:11 |
| Cimi | ahahah | 10:11 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it was leaking over 10MBs per app launched ;D | 10:12 |
| Cimi | I like this relaxed day | 10:12 |
| greyback | Saviq: only for a very particular use-case | 10:12 |
| greyback | i.e. app launched and stopped not through upstart, which is what AP was doing | 10:12 |
| Cimi | guys | 10:13 |
| Cimi | you know why thumbnails turn black on my nexus? | 10:13 |
| Cimi | app thumbnails? | 10:13 |
| Cimi | when are they created? | 10:13 |
| greyback | probably the app hasn't drawn anything, when the screenshot is grabbed | 10:14 |
| * greyback knows there's room for improvement there | 10:14 | |
| Cimi | greyback, we should reduce those screenshot creations 1 | 10:14 |
| greyback | yes I know | 10:14 |
| Cimi | they eat cpu | 10:14 |
| Cimi | then we should check | 10:15 |
| Cimi | if they are different | 10:15 |
| Saviq | Cimi, under Mir they will only be black if the app hasn't drawn anything - or got killed | 10:15 |
| Saviq | Cimi, it will work fine for suspended apps (which is not the case for surfaceflinger) | 10:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, or did you switch to sflinger? | 10:16 |
| Cimi | do we really have suspended apps? | 10:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, on Mir yes | 10:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, also, "on my nexus" is kind of ambiguous ;) | 10:16 |
| Cimi | on my maguro | 10:16 |
| Cimi | sf | 10:16 |
| Saviq | Cimi, yeah, that's not gonna change | 10:17 |
| Cimi | I start 1 or 2 apps and phone is slow | 10:17 |
| Cimi | 5 is not usable | 10:17 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we're not looking at sflinger at all any more | 10:17 |
| Saviq | greyback, we should probably yank out sflinger support from unity8, btw | 10:17 |
| greyback | woo! | 10:17 |
| Saviq | greyback, but let's get the higher-ups to ACK | 10:18 |
| greyback | Saviq: yeah, it could break lots of community ports | 10:18 |
| Saviq | right... | 10:18 |
| Cimi | Saviq, but how does mir/sf have to do with suspending apps? | 10:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, nothing with suspending - everything with getting their screenshots | 10:19 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you can't talk to the app to get its screenshot if it's suspended | 10:19 |
| Cimi | so it's unrelated | 10:19 |
| greyback | Cimi: note maguro feels slow because Mir hasn't been optimised for it. | 10:19 |
| Cimi | greyback, it's slow on surface flinger | 10:20 |
| Cimi | too | 10:20 |
| greyback | but not as bad | 10:20 |
| Cimi | yeah but still lags | 10:20 |
| Saviq | Cimi, so on Mir that screenshot is kept in memory | 10:20 |
| Saviq | Cimi, on sflinger it's not | 10:20 |
| Cimi | and it's not usable with multiple apps | 10:20 |
| Cimi | so I was wondering how we do with that | 10:20 |
| Cimi | because maguro is super fast on android | 10:20 |
| Saviq | Cimi, so you're getting black screenshots on sflinger 'cause they're suspended and you can't get the screenshot of them | 10:20 |
| Cimi | Saviq, I got that | 10:21 |
| Saviq | Cimi, "super fast" is probably an overstatement ; | 10:21 |
| Cimi | well I can have 10 apps opened at least | 10:21 |
| Cimi | not 2... | 10:21 |
| Cimi | is this a problem of what, multithreading? | 10:21 |
| Saviq | Cimi, please don't throw around words ; | 10:22 |
| Saviq | ;) | 10:22 |
| Cimi | haha | 10:22 |
| Saviq | Cimi, no, it's just that we haven't optimized for maguro | 10:22 |
| Cimi | meant multitasking | 10:22 |
| Cimi | sorry I am on low powered mode too | 10:22 |
| Cimi | actually, studying a little of json with qml | 10:22 |
| Saviq | Cimi, we just don't have our whole app lifecycle story yet | 10:23 |
| Saviq | Cimi, mind you, on android you don't really have the 10 apps open either | 10:23 |
| Cimi | Saviq, they are frozen | 10:23 |
| Saviq | Cimi, you just have their screenshots (at least for some of them) | 10:23 |
| Cimi | yeah, that's what I mean | 10:23 |
| Cimi | they are on hold | 10:24 |
| Saviq | Cimi, or stopped - you don't even know | 10:24 |
| Saviq | Cimi, until you open them again, when resuming is faster than launching from scratch | 10:24 |
| Saviq | fginther, ping | 10:26 |
| Saviq | oh right, 5:30am, hope he's not gonna answer.. | 10:27 |
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| tsdgeos | the autolander is back! | 10:59 |
| tsdgeos | and broken :D | 10:59 |
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| Cimi | hah | 11:06 |
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| dandrader | greyback, ping | 11:31 |
| greyback | dandrader: pong | 11:31 |
| dandrader | greyback, would you have some spare time today or Monday to review this one: https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/uniqueTouchIds/+merge/191692 | 11:31 |
| dandrader | it's actually a simple one | 11:32 |
| didrocks | greyback: btw, didn't tel you yesterday, but excellent fix! Thanks a lot :) | 11:32 |
| greyback | dandrader: I'll take it on Monday, that ok? | 11:32 |
| didrocks | greyback: that's exactly what we needed at the last minute, so much improvement :) | 11:32 |
| dandrader | greyback, yeah, that's fine. Thanks! | 11:32 |
| didrocks | to keep saying "people worked hard until the last second before release"! | 11:33 |
| greyback | didrocks: alf deserves most of the credit, he tracked it down | 11:33 |
| greyback | but thanks :) | 11:33 |
| didrocks | greyback: yeah, I pinged him on that when you landed it :) | 11:33 |
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| Saviq | tsdgeos, greyback, I won't make the standup, mzanetti says he might not make it either | 12:59 |
| greyback | Saviq: too noisy in the bar, is it? | 13:00 |
| fginther | Saviq, pong (I'm on holiday today, so will only be here for an hour or so) | 13:00 |
| Saviq | fginther, nw, will talk next week | 13:01 |
| Saviq | fginther, have fun | 13:01 |
| fginther | Saviq, thaks | 13:01 |
| fginther | Saviq, thanks | 13:01 |
| Saviq | greyback, you got me ;P | 13:03 |
| dandrader | lol | 13:06 |
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| tsdgeos | dednick: standup? | 13:31 |
| tsdgeos | greyback: umumble working for you? | 13:39 |
| greyback | tsdgeos: could you not hear me? Works for me | 13:39 |
| kgunn | mzanetti: yoo hoo | 13:40 |
| tsdgeos | aaaand i'm back | 13:40 |
| mterry | tsdgeos, where was that branch? | 13:40 |
| tsdgeos | greyback: i think my interwebs died | 13:41 |
| tsdgeos | mterry: which branch? | 13:41 |
| tsdgeos | greyback: so no, if you said anything interesting i mised it | 13:41 |
| tsdgeos | +s | 13:41 |
| greyback | tsdgeos: not really. Talks on Qt Scenegraph working more closely with Mir | 13:42 |
| mterry | tsdgeos, didn't you justs say you had a branch for me to review about the lockscreen? | 13:42 |
| tsdgeos | mterry: that must have been someone else, not me | 13:42 |
| mterry | MacSlow, was that you? ^ | 13:44 |
| * mterry is a bit sick and delirious | 13:45 | |
| MacSlow | mterry, nope | 13:45 |
| mterry | huh | 13:47 |
| mterry | maybe I hallucinated it | 13:47 |
| * mterry goes and lies down | 13:48 | |
| tsdgeos | sorry :D | 13:48 |
| tsdgeos | maybe was my crappy english | 13:48 |
| tsdgeos | but nothing regarding lockscreen i said | 13:48 |
| tsdgeos | trusty tahr | 14:09 |
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| maxb | Ubuntu 13.10 seems to bring with it a new Unity feature of repeating the visual "app icon pops out and wiggles" notification cue until the user acknowledges it. Can I turn this off? | 18:16 |
| bschaefer | maxb, yes you can in CCSM (compizconfig-setting-manager) | 18:45 |
| bschaefer | under: Ubuntu Unity Pluging -> Launcher -> Launcher icon Urgent Animation | 18:45 |
| maxb | bschaefer: Oh.... I just looked through CCSM but couldn't see any new settings which soun..... oh, I don't want to turn it off completely, I just want it to notify once | 18:46 |
| bschaefer | hmm just once, im not sure if theres a setting for just once | 18:46 |
| maxb | Yeah, that would be the perennial UX defect of Unity, changing the behaviour and not having settings to allow for opting for the previous behaviour :-/ | 18:47 |
| bschaefer | ChrisTownsend, would you know if theres a setting for that? | 18:47 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: Yeah, no way to put it back to the old behavior right now. Please enter a bug and I'll put it on my radar to make a setting for 14.04. | 18:47 |
| maxb | (use case, for anyone interested: Someone has said my name in IRC. Fine. I'll get to them when I have time, don't nag me repeatedly.) | 18:48 |
| maxb | Bug against Unity upstream project in LP? | 18:48 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: I can't put it in 13.10 though because it would be considered an new "feature" and is not SRUable. | 18:49 |
| bschaefer | maxb, very true, i do run into that as well, thanks for letting us know about that, as it would be a good thing to have fixed :) | 18:49 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: Sure, that's fine. I'll look for your bug. | 18:49 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: Yes, thanks. | 18:49 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: It will quit nagging you if you slide out the Launcher. | 18:50 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: But your use case is very valid. | 18:51 |
| maxb | I guess from the CCSM legend that the official Unity jargon for this is "Urgent Animation" - I'll call it that in the bug. But I'll go in search of food first, or I won't write a good bug report :-) | 18:51 |
| maxb | I had thought I had to also click the app button to suppress further notifications, but I could be imagining that | 18:51 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: Well, if you get another notification, then the whole timer resets and nags you again. | 18:52 |
| ChrisTownsend | maxb: Pidgin nags me endlessly now:) | 18:52 |
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| bregma | Unity configuration is a tug-of-war between the UI designers who tolerate little deviation from their vision, and users who want to tinker modify and tweak | 19:40 |
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