| * skellat finally starts downloading Xubuntu 13.10 final | 00:34 | |
| belkinsa | Have fun, skellat | 00:34 |
|---|---|---|
| * Unit193 be seedin' | 00:35 | |
| skellat | Anybody spontaneously erupt into a release party today/tonight? | 00:36 |
| belkinsa | Naq | 00:37 |
| paultag | heh | 00:37 |
| belkinsa | Time to think about the T-cycle | 00:37 |
| paultag | which still has no name | 00:37 |
| belkinsa | A shame. | 00:38 |
| belkinsa | Will there be a contest for that, though? | 00:38 |
| paultag | it can't open for devel without a name | 00:38 |
| paultag | where's marks | 00:38 |
| skellat | belkinsa: No contest. SABDFL selects. | 00:38 |
| belkinsa | Oh, right. | 00:38 |
| skellat | Granted, #ubuntu-release still says Tantric Tarantula at the moment | 00:38 |
| paultag | off with the secretary? (SCNR) | 00:38 |
| belkinsa | skellat, that name is lame to my ears. | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | Twitchy Tapeworm, or Twerking Tiger it is. | 00:39 |
| paultag | Twerking Tiger | 00:39 |
| paultag | yes | 00:39 |
| paultag | YES | 00:39 |
| belkinsa | Yes | 00:39 |
| skellat | Since when did we acquire Hannah Montana Linux? | 00:39 |
| skellat | :-) | 00:39 |
| belkinsa | lol | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | Heh, for a second I went "Wrong chick" :P | 00:40 |
| skellat | How are we looking for flavor downloads? | 00:41 |
| paultag | hahahaha | 00:42 |
| * Unit193 licked all the flavors. | 00:42 | |
| skellat | Urgh | 00:42 |
| skellat | I walked right into that one. | 00:43 |
| paultag | hahaha | 00:43 |
| belkinsa | lol | 00:43 |
| skellat | So, what are we all downloading? Kubuntu? Xubuntu? Edubuntu? mini.iso? | 00:43 |
| belkinsa | Though I would like to have a release name with Bearcat in it | 00:43 |
| belkinsa | Ubuntu here | 00:43 |
| paultag | dput-ng (1.7) twerking; urgency=high | 00:43 |
| Unit193 | Hah! Oh dear. :P | 00:43 |
| paultag | twerking titmouse | 00:44 |
| paultag | awesome | 00:44 |
| Unit193 | paultag: Oh, did you know the debian-keyring in precise contains only expired keys? :D | 00:47 |
| paultag | oh great | 00:47 |
| skellat | That needs an SRU stat | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | debootstrap faaaailed. | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | (Easy fix.) | 00:47 |
| paultag | Oh yeah, no debootstrap for Debian on Ubuntu has been boned lately | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | I like how Ubuntu keeps up with the geoip databases too! :P | 00:48 |
| skellat | Unit193: Oh, the Montreal incident that kept the re-spins happening yesterday and made 13.10 impossible to install in Quebec for a while | 00:49 |
| skellat | Some bad in-fighting from the tzdata folks flowed downstream and nobody filtered out all the crud...some got through... | 00:49 |
| Unit193 | Precise, the "LTS" Candidate: 20111220-1 | 00:50 |
| skellat | Unit193: Did South Sudan exist yet then? | 00:50 |
| * Unit193 wouldn't know offhand. | 00:51 | |
| skellat | geoip issues were a big topic of discussion over in -release yesterday | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | I ignore the package, I use a script. | 00:53 |
| paultag | I missed this flame | 01:16 |
| paultag | is canonical collecting geoip data now? | 01:16 |
| paultag | (not shocked if yes) | 01:16 |
| Unit193 | paultag: geoip-database, it's never updated in Ubuntu. | 01:20 |
| paultag | Ah. | 01:20 |
| paultag | Meh. | 01:20 |
| Unit193 | I use ~/Public/geolite.sh -6 -c -i -a works better and it's up to date. | 01:21 |
| Unit193 | paultag: Oh, was reading some lists last night, you're in the sysd camp right? | 01:22 |
| paultag | yes | 01:22 |
| paultag | fsvo camp | 01:22 |
| Unit193 | Bummer. :P | 01:22 |
| paultag | but yes | 01:22 |
| paultag | it's a clear technical win | 01:22 |
| paultag | having looked into the subject a bit | 01:22 |
| Unit193 | Well, it's where Debian is leaning, so guess I'm going to have to try and not dislike it so much. :/ | 01:23 |
| Unit193 | (Ubuntu would be dumb not to follow, but doesn't mean it'll follow.) | 01:24 |
| paultag | Oh, with upstart? | 01:25 |
| paultag | I mean upstart is OK, but it's backwards from how the init should work | 01:25 |
| paultag | dependency based booting is more correct | 01:26 |
| Unit193 | I'd prefer upstart, but if Debian goes with systemd it'd make sense for Ubuntu to follow. | 01:26 |
| paultag | why do you like upstart, Unit193? | 01:26 |
| paultag | so far as I can tell the only upside is that it's portable to BSD and HURD | 01:26 |
| paultag | which isn't an Ubuntu concern, nevermind a Unit193 concern | 01:27 |
| Unit193 | It's better than what is there, and it isn't systemd. It's more that I don't like systemd than that I do like upstart, and you're right, not really a concern. :) | 01:27 |
| Unit193 | I'll poke at BSD and OpenIndiana here sometime. | 01:27 |
| paultag | mmm | 01:28 |
| paultag | It's better than what is there, ← what does this mean | 01:28 |
| paultag | and why are you throwing systemd out based on it's name | 01:28 |
| paultag | what's the technical issue here? :) | 01:28 |
| paultag | I'm actually interested | 01:28 |
| Unit193 | Oh, it's not the name. | 01:28 |
| paultag | I can't tell! :) | 01:28 |
| Unit193 | I'm not as much, and I know you can overpower with your points. :P | 01:29 |
| paultag | :þ | 01:29 |
| paultag | Well, I wasn't going to argue | 01:29 |
| paultag | I just want to know where people are coming from | 01:29 |
| Unit193 | How it's going, and you can see it with logind and udev too. | 01:29 |
| Unit193 | (Pet peeve is the default name for network devices. :P ) It seems like it tends to favor vendor lock in, if I read right the logind in Ubuntu is the last version you can use outside of systemd itself, no? | 01:30 |
| paultag | meaning the systemd team is maintaining too much of the lowlevel stack? | 01:30 |
| paultag | you can use any part of systemd outside of systemd | 01:31 |
| Unit193 | No, more of sour grapes. | 01:31 |
| paultag | ah | 01:31 |
| paultag | udev in Debian is built from systemd | 01:31 |
| paultag | even if you don't have systemd installed | 01:31 |
| paultag | (unrelated to your points) | 01:31 |
| paultag | Just as a fun tidbit | 01:31 |
| Unit193 | Same here: Binary: systemd, systemd-sysv, systemd-services, libpam-systemd, libsystemd-login0, libsystemd-login-dev, libsystemd-daemon0, libsystemd-daemon-dev, libsystemd-journal0, libsystemd-journal-dev, libsystemd-id128-0, libsystemd-id128-dev, udev, libudev1, libudev-dev, udev-udeb, libudev1-udeb, libgudev-1.0-0, gir1.2-gudev-1.0, libgudev-1.0-dev, python-systemd | 01:31 |
| paultag | ahha | 01:32 |
| paultag | brb | 01:33 |
| paultag | but Unit193 - systemd's not all bad | 01:33 |
| Unit193 | I read a couple things on it, and it really didn't look like it was as "open" as would be nice, following Microsoft and Gnome into lock-in and forcing users wouldn't be good. (Not saying they do the second.) | 01:33 |
| paultag | I like it, and I hate everything :) | 01:33 |
| Unit193 | paultag: I'm sure it isn't. | 01:33 |
| paultag | BRB, need to jet | 01:33 |
| Unit193 | We'll just have to see. | 01:33 |
| Unit193 | Sure | 01:33 |
| paultag | one love ( ♥ , etc ) | 01:33 |
| Unit193 | (And on the wayland side, seems great except for one worry, I still run some old hardware and not sure if wayland would work well on it. And yes I know xorg isn't going anywhere soon.) | 01:34 |
| Unit193 | I suppose I could just try out Arch or Fedora and see how it is, at least for right now. | 01:42 |
| paultag | systemd is easy to install in Debian | 01:46 |
| paultag | and it works with init scripts | 01:46 |
| paultag | (back) | 01:46 |
| paultag | you just don't get much of the good stuff | 01:47 |
| paultag | but it works | 01:47 |
| paultag | and it's niceee. | 01:47 |
| paultag | spec files rule, and I love the daemon supervise stuff | 01:47 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, of course they both work with init scripts. | 01:53 |
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| ronnoc | Hi all | 03:23 |
| skellat | Hello | 03:28 |
| ronnoc | hi :) | 03:40 |
| ronnoc | oops gone | 03:40 |
| Unit193 | Howdy, ronnoc! | 03:51 |
| gilbert | systemd no support freebsd :( | 04:21 |
| gilbert | :_( | 04:23 |
| thafreak | paultag: i don't like systemd because it's confusing as hell | 13:48 |
| thafreak | and even more reason that I've avoided fedora | 13:48 |
| thafreak | i had to find a "rosetta stone" web page to help me figure out the systemd commands to do simple stuff | 13:48 |
| thafreak | i also don't like how it's rolling too much functionality into one thing | 13:49 |
| thafreak | it goes against the unix philosophy | 13:49 |
| thafreak | i get how some poeople lump init based services with inetd based services etc, because they're all services | 13:50 |
| thafreak | but they should be separate | 13:50 |
| thafreak | so, please, if you have points why systemd is awesome, I'd love to hear them | 13:50 |
| thafreak | also, why the hell are you guys talking about it anyway? Did ubuntu switch to systemd? | 13:50 |
| thafreak | I need to know so I can stop using ubuntu if that's the case ;) | 13:51 |
| paultag | it should | 13:54 |
| paultag | but no, I want to see Debian on systemd | 13:54 |
| paultag | and it's not confusing. | 13:54 |
| thafreak | uh...it's definately not straight forward | 13:55 |
| paultag | it is | 13:55 |
| paultag | old init scripts work | 13:55 |
| paultag | there's literally no more straight forward than no changes | 13:55 |
| thafreak | there were changes...i had to look up how to do something with systemd when teaching the one sysadmin class | 13:58 |
| thafreak | cause they gave me fedora to work with | 13:58 |
| paultag | dude, what? :) | 13:58 |
| thafreak | i can't remember off hand what it was | 13:59 |
| paultag | anyway, brb, off to GOOG | 13:59 |
| paultag | much love | 13:59 |
| thafreak | systemctl disable foo.service | 13:59 |
| thafreak | why | 13:59 |
| thafreak | why foo.service? | 13:59 |
| thafreak | systemctl list-units --type=target | 14:00 |
| thafreak | to figure out what runlevel you're in | 14:00 |
| thafreak | that makes so much sense right? | 14:01 |
| thafreak | you wouldn't want the flag to have the word runlevel in there anywhere | 14:01 |
| thafreak | i give up, i'm not having fun anymore | 14:02 |
| thafreak | i quit sysadmin | 14:02 |
| thafreak | systemctl disable thafreak.sysadmin | 14:03 |
| jrgifford | whoa | 16:08 |
| jrgifford | mark is being weird | 16:08 |
| thafreak | shuttleworth? | 18:20 |
| Unit193 | Isn't he always? | 18:23 |
| jrgifford | moreso than usual | 20:32 |
| Unit193 | Oh? | 20:37 |
| jrgifford | have you noticed that over the last 5 cycles | 20:37 |
| jrgifford | he's gotten a little more edgy with every release blog post? | 20:37 |
| Unit193 | Edgy Eft? And no I haven't, I don't read it. :D (I might have last time, but I've read under 6 posts by him) | 20:39 |
| Unit193 | Hah, oh gee, "Mir is so great because everyone is attacking it." :P | 20:43 |
| skellat | jrgifford: SABDFL is a cosmonaut. That makes him abnormal/unusual by anybody's definition... | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | skellat: Doesn't give him a free pass, and that's what he used to be, he's not really anymore. ;) | 20:48 |
| jrgifford | lol | 20:48 |
| Unit193 | Hey, I can heckle at Mir all I want, I gave it a fair shot (and helped others do the same, right? :-----D ) | 20:50 |
| skellat | And then there are these thoughts on the new codename: http://bit.ly/19Yxe8a | 20:53 |
| jenni | [ Codepope's pontifications: Musings on the new Ubuntu 14.04 LTS codename ] - http://bit.ly | 20:53 |
| skellat | Tarantula would've been better | 20:53 |
| Unit193 | I liked my name(s) better. | 20:54 |
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