[00:27] <S-USA> 13.10 looks even more awesome than 12.10 was!
[03:53] <chris__> just updated to 13.10 now all my games stutter real bad. didnt have this problem on 13.o4. Ive tried the diffrent nvidia prop. drivers its always the same how can i fix this??
[03:53] <holstein> what games?
[03:54] <chris__> all my games through wine.. dmc4 farcry 2.. dolphin emulator... pcxs2.. everything that is harware acc.
[03:56] <chris__> all my settings through xorg are the same.. the games will play for about 30 seconds then freeze for a second or 2. then act like its in fast forward for a sec till it catches up.. then it will play for 15 seconds then repeat all over again
[03:56] <holstein> the last thing i want to do is be combatitive, but, wine support is generally hit and miss
[03:56] <holstein> if you have a scenario back at 12.04 LTS that is working for you, i would just stay there
[03:57] <holstein> there is nothing about ubuntustudio in particular that we do to break, or even support or facilitate this functionality
[03:57] <holstein> you can go to #ubuntu or maybe #xubuntu.. i can suggest just normal troubleshooting steps
[03:58] <holstein> for me, and my wine apps i used, they would typically break or be "different" after upgrading.. i have since worked out not relying on any code that is not native
[03:58] <chris__> I understand that, but if it worked on 13.04 i figured it would work on 13.10. and its not just wine. Dolphin and pcsx2 are linux..
[03:58] <holstein> chris__: you can "figure" it will work.. it either does or doesnt, and unfortunately, the folks who can provide you excellent support with native code are not
[03:59] <holstein> chris__: you might have better luck with the commercial wine offering, but i didnt
[04:00] <holstein> chris__: these days, i try the open nouvea driver as well
[04:02] <chris__> could it be kernal related??
[04:03] <chris__> its not just wine thats been effected also linux games that rely on opengl
[04:04] <holstein> chris__: sure, but the kernel wont be able to cater to windows code like that
[04:05] <holstein> chris__: and the windows code is for windows.. not wine and the linux kernel.. its really just hit and miss, and if games like that are mission critical for you (which is totally understandable..
[04:06] <holstein> you might want to find one that works and stay on it, like 12.04 LTS.. and also, get with the larger ubuntu community, since this niche is more about content creation
[04:07] <holstein> you are welcome to hang here, and ask what you like, and you might get help.. but, this is not necessarily ubuntustudio specific, and i feel your best bet is main #ubuntu or the wine channel
[04:07] <holstein> chris__: could very well be something to do with the driver from nvidia as well, though, the support for those typically are getting better
[04:10] <chris__> that and the driver worked on 13.04. I love ubuntu studio.. the reason I use it is for the photo and video programs.. I just wish i could figure out why I canr play any of my games now.. even the ones down loaded from ununtu software center are stuttering now
[04:10] <chris__> thanks for the help
[04:10] <OvenWerks> chris__: you can choose which ever ubuntu does work for you and just add those programs
[04:11] <holstein> chris__: ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[04:12] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-installer will help you install the workflow you want.
[04:12] <holstein> chris__: what im saying is, if the proprietary drivers and apps you are using are breaking when you upgrade, consider the LTS..
[04:13] <chris__> K. thanks.. Ill probably just revert to 13.04. was just hoping someone else ran into this and there was a quick fix.. thanks
[04:14] <OvenWerks> that works too
[04:14] <holstein> chris__: you should consider reverting to 12.04.. 13.04 is eol in 3 months
[04:14] <holstein> !13.04
[04:14] <holstein> 12.04 is EOL april of 2017 AFAIK
[04:15] <chris__> one last quick question.. I understand ubuntu studio is ubuntu just like xubuntu and edubuntu... on and on... does ubuntustudio 13.10 use the same kernel as ubuntu 13.10??
[04:15] <OvenWerks> yes.
[04:15] <holstein> OvenWerks: there is a generic kernel though? correct?
[04:16] <OvenWerks> There is one or two config options that are different.
[04:16] <OvenWerks> It is possible to install generic as well though.
[04:16] <holstein> chris__: wont hurt to try the actual generic from main ubuntu.. though, the support should be the same
[04:16] <chris__> can i keep ubuntu studio 13.10 and revert the kernel back to the kernel used by 13.04??
[04:17] <holstein> chris__: you can do literally whatever you want
[04:17] <holstein> chris__: you can "dual boot" kernels or desktop environments.. or OS's.. whatever you want
[04:17] <chris__> no i cant.. lol.. still learning linux.. have only compiled and installed a few thigs..
[04:18] <holstein> chris__: actually, you havent learned how, or whatever. but you *can*
[04:18] <holstein> chris__: this is nothing like compiling.. for this, you can basically open the package manager of your choice (something GUI like synaptic) and search "generic"
[04:18] <OvenWerks> I have not had problems with using an older kernel.
[04:19] <chris__> may research reverting kernel instead of having to backup files and downgrade to 13.04.
[04:19] <holstein> you'll choose what kernel you want to boot at boot time from grub
[04:19] <holstein> chris__: dont "revert" any kernel.. just install the generic one, and keep the lowlatency one in place
[04:19] <OvenWerks> It may be that nvidia only supports release kernels... 3.10 3.12 but not 3.11
[04:19] <holstein> chris__: test with the generic one.. then consider 12.04, since 13.04 is nearly EOL
[04:20] <holstein> chris__: you can refer to the steam docs and use the PPA they suggest as well for different drivers
[04:20] <holstein> !steam
[04:21] <OvenWerks> 13.04 was 3.8, so a release kernel. 3.11 would be considered "alpha"
[04:21] <chris__> If I do go 12.04 is ubuntu studio available or will i have to install ubuntu and all stuff seperate??
[04:21] <OvenWerks> there is  ubuntustudio 12.04
[04:22] <holstein> before reverting anything or reinstalling, id try the PPA for the testing nvidia drivers or newer different ones.. then, id try a generic kernel.. then, id try a kernel from 13.04 in 13.10
[04:23] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/186437/are-there-any-differences-in-graphics-drivers-from-the-x-swat-vs-xorg-edgers
[04:24] <chris__> the kernel from 13.04 wont break anything on 13.10??
[04:24] <holstein> chris__: i didnt say that.. i gave basically an order of what i would test with
[04:25] <holstein> chris__: before i reinstalled, i would test that, since, that wont break anything permanantly, and i know how to boot that kernel without removing any others, and revert
[04:26] <chris__> Ok thanks for the help.. going to hop off here its getting into morning hours here... thanks again
[04:26] <holstein> chris__: good luck!
[15:01] <S-USA> Why does 13.10 have BOTH a linux-generic kernel and a linux-lowlatency kernel?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> S-USA, wait, you mean in the image?
[15:25] <smartboyhw> We have both such kernels in the archive since at least 2 years ago
[15:25] <smartboyhw> -lowlatency is a kernel specialized for audio usage
[15:37] <S-USA> smartboyhw: Hmm... Yeah, in the image... just interesting... but I guess if you wanted to run an audio session the -lowlatency would be a good thing
[15:38] <smartboyhw> S-USA, in the image? I'm not seeing that.
[15:38] <smartboyhw> (I mean, both)
[15:39] <S-USA> smartboyhw: I don't either... Oh, duh! Boot Repair did that!
[15:39]  * S-USA facepalms
[15:39] <smartboyhw> -.-
[15:40] <S-USA> UEFI PC problems
[15:41] <smartboyhw> S-USA, ah yeah, linux-lowlatency doesn't support UEFI.
[15:42] <S-USA> grub-efi does, however. That's how we get around it, really :)
[15:50] <SonikkuAmerica> smartboyhw: So does that mean we can't use Ubuntu Studio on Jedi PCs?
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> s/Jedi/UEFI/
[15:51] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, sort of
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Or I should rephrase... We can only use it in legacy mode?
[15:52] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, yes
[15:53] <SonikkuAmerica> >sigh< Well that's a problem... I have Windows 8.1 in UEFI mode...
[15:54] <smartboyhw> uh
[15:55] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Heh heh... Guess I have a problem then.
[15:56] <SonikkuAmerica> So I guess what I should do is get another Ubuntu flavor and try the ubuntustudio-installer package?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, well, it's the problem with the kernel we ship
[15:57] <smartboyhw> linux-lowlatency kernel can't run on UEFI
[15:58] <smartboyhw> So, you can use Ubuntu Studio by the method you said, but you'll be sacrificing lowlatency.
[15:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Right. Somehow the Live image was able to boot and run though using that kernel... That remains a mystery.
[15:59] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, hmm?
[15:59] <smartboyhw> interesting
[15:59] <smartboyhw> The live image should be able to boot
[15:59] <smartboyhw> Post-installation is a mystery
[16:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Using the grub prompt to "boot," dmesg is looping
[16:01] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm guessing I should expect that
[16:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, UEFI is the future, but I guess we're stuck until the -lowlatency kernel supports UEFI booting.
[16:04] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, I have pinged zequence on this matter, he is our -lowlatency kernel maintainer.
[16:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Excellent. For the time being, there seems to be a way to convert a Windows partition to MBR from GPT via diskmgmt.msc
[16:33] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: We'll get a signed kernel for 14.04
[16:34] <SonikkuAmerica> zequence: Yay! But Secure Boot isn't necessarily the problem,
[16:34] <zequence> 12.04.4 should have one as well, hopefully
[16:34] <SonikkuAmerica> ...wait
[16:34] <zequence> UEFI is not the problem anyhow.
[16:35] <zequence> UEFI != secure boot
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Wow, I'm dumb... I realized I did my Linux line wrong... I wrote (hd0,gpt4) instead of /dev/sda4 for root=
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> However, I don't appreciate Studio booting to a grub prompt
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> But yes, a signed kernel would be nice.
[16:38] <SonikkuAmerica> What I need is a GRUB2 boot menu
[16:38] <SonikkuAmerica> One second... Gotta get lunch
[16:44] <zequence> A signed kernel will allow you to use the secure boof functionality, but you can still make any kernel work with UEFI
[16:44] <zequence> I've only done a UEFI installation once. Debian
[16:45] <zequence> It's a bit akward, when you're not used to it
[16:45] <zequence> Since you need a special UEFI partition
[16:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Have I lost my marbles yet? :)
[16:52] <SonikkuAmerica> But yeah, I need the GRUB2 bootloader menu back (I keep getting a GRUB prompt at boot)
[16:53] <SonikkuAmerica> One second...
[17:51] <KonepHUK> Привет всем! Hi all!
[17:52] <KonepHUK> Are you from?
[17:54] <KonepHUK> I'm from Samara. Russia.
[18:27] <KonepHUK> Aargh
[18:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I've tried everything, and GRUB still doesn't recognize grub.cfg to load the menu
[19:12] <coppa> Hi there sorry to annoy, is there any one who can help on error : "trying to overwrite '/etc/console-setup/compose.ISO-8859-13.inc', which is also in package console-setup 1.88"  same q as http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2173433 with no answer yet
[19:13] <coppa> thx...
[19:13] <coppa> installing from usbdrive ubuntu studio 13
[20:18] <Unit193> coppa: What packages name is right above that line?  Did you try 13.10 yet?
[20:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Giving up and using Boot Repair. Hoping for the best. Thanks for the help!
[20:44] <FabKzo> hi
[20:44] <FabKzo> has anyone had problems with nvidia drivers after upgrading to 13.10?
[20:55] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Not likely to help, but may be worth a shot to move /etc/grub.d/09_* out of there and re-gen the menu?
[20:55] <Unit193> funkyHat: On them now, but using 304 because of older hardware.
[20:56] <Unit193> funkyHat: Sorry, I done did a stupid with my tab complete.
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: That would throw the -lowlatency away, wouldn't it? There's an 09_lowlatency entry in there!
[20:57] <Unit193> No, that's a new thing only to UbuntuStudio that makes sure lowlat kernels are listed first.  I don't see that being the issue, but who knows.
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Guess it's worth a shot then
[21:05] <coppa> Unit193: thx yes it is 13.10, i did not remember the line before the issue and thus installing again ...
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: No good, but I was able to make the menu show up after setting root to the Ubuntu partition and loading /boot/grub/grub.cfg using configfile...
[21:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: I also ran [ sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ] and it seems to be installed to /dev/sda4 (my Ubuntu partition), but I told it at install time to install to /dev/sda ....
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I seem to also have discovered that the Ubuntu partition symlinks the EFI partition at the mount point /boot/efi as well.