[00:02] <darkxst> roasted, yup, no going to be possible to get gnome-control-center update into 13.10
[00:04] <roasted> I see
[00:04] <roasted> kind of a bummer that ubuntu gnome will seemingly be a continual race with PPAs
[00:06] <darkxst> hopefully things will improve with 14.10
[00:06] <darkxst> but until then
[00:07] <darkxst> yeh
[00:07] <roasted> what would be different about 14.10?
[00:07] <darkxst> Mir, which hopefully means Ubuntu will be less dependent on the gnome bits
[00:08] <roasted> you mean, Mir landing in Ubuntu, so Ubuntu will distance from Gnome making Ubuntu GNOME easier to be more independent? Or that Mir is coming to Ubuntu GNOME?
[00:10] <auscompgeek> roasted: Mir would hopefully mean Unity would be less dependent on GNOME, making it easier to keep up with GNOME's release cycle
[00:10] <roasted> ah
[00:10] <roasted> so is Ubuntu GNOME going Wayland?
[00:28] <darkxst> roasted, eventually yes
[00:30] <bjsnider> i could see them creating their own non-gnome qt-based file browser, and so forth
[00:31] <bjsnider> that way they could get rid of systemd
[00:33] <roasted> so, question...
[00:33] <roasted> if Ubuntu going away from heavy Gnome dependency is key to Ubuntu GNOME being able to stay more in sync with upstream, what's stopping Ubuntu GNOME from doing that now? Can you guys not distance yourselves like Mint/Cinnamon 2.0 did from Gnome?
[00:34] <bjsnider> systemd becomes a big problem with 205
[00:56] <darkxst> bjsnider, why?
[00:56] <darkxst> roasted, we share packages in the main archive like gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-control-center
[00:57] <roasted> is it necessary to 'share' them?
[00:57] <roasted> Seeing Cinnamon turn independent just made me wonder how Ubuntu GNOME couldn't be fully independent from Ubuntu's Gnome while retaining the Ubuntu base.
[00:57] <darkxst> unless Ubuntu forks them, yes
[00:58] <roasted> But I'm also not a dev, so...
[01:00] <darkxst> Well Cinnamon forked gnome at about 3.4
[01:01] <roasted> so forking it kind of changes the game plan I suppose?
[01:02] <bjsnider> darkxst, something mbiebl mentioned. i'm trying to remember what it was
[01:02] <darkxst> we can't fork, we want upstream
[01:03] <darkxst> bjsnider, I heard it currently has a dependency on systemd init, but that is fixable I believe (havent really been following closely however)
[01:04] <bjsnider> i don't have the message cached either, which sucks
[01:04] <roasted> darkxst: right, I'm not suggesting to fork. I'm just beginning to make sense of this... forking (like Cinnamon did) gave them the ability to do what they want how they want without the version of Gnome packaged in Ubuntu (and therefore Mint)
[01:17] <darkxst> roasted, right and it also means they don't get any of the improvements that have happened since then
[01:18] <roasted> true
[01:18] <roasted> double edged sword
[03:12] <bjsnider> i wonder why every time i open a picture it opens scaled down to 99%
[05:28] <Mibru> congrats on 13.10, is ubuntu-gnome rid of all things pertaining to unity?
[08:40] <FrazerXD349> I have Ubuntu Gnome with Gnome 3.10. How can I get all those new Gnome apps such Software Center and Maps, for example?
[09:20] <ricotz> bjsnider, hi, did you test the empathy package?
[09:23] <ricotz> thanks for looking into it, but it doesnt seem to be a good idea to disable all this stuff, and it is pretty broken (aka not working) for me here :\
[09:51] <Gaelos4> hi
[09:52] <Gaelos4> any issu with ati video card ?
[09:52] <Gaelos4> i have a hd6670
[11:18] <roasted> oh how angry I've become
[11:18] <roasted> need to print out a ticket for a conference I'm going to in approx 40 minutes and gnome says "failed to add printer" each time I try to add it
[12:20] <nadrimajstor> I've rolled Lucid trough out the office computers and had similar issue with regular users not being able to add printer... IIRC it was some privilege issue... Adding to that, unlocking changes in "Users and Groups" also didn't work...
[12:20] <nadrimajstor> Fun times...
[12:20] <nadrimajstor> And that was a LTS... :D
[12:27] <ricotz> maybe a missing "cups-pk-helper" package
[12:27] <AbsintheSyringe> thinking of switching from debian sid to 13.10, however one of the first things I see is that "privacy" and "search" is missing from control center
[12:27] <AbsintheSyringe> why is this?
[12:38] <AbsintheSyringe> ok, adding gnome team ppa adds it
[12:57] <bjsnider> ricotz, i've been running it for a few days, it doesn't seem broken. what's not working?
[12:59] <bjsnider> it won't play well with unity i'm sure. i don't run that so i haven't tested that side of it
[14:49] <ricotz> bjsnider, i simply upgraded and checked if my jabber account still works, unfortunately not
[14:50] <bjsnider> ricotz, which account dialogue did it open? was it the uoa version or the gnome version?
[14:51] <ricotz> it is registered in both, the uoa dialog was broken, and goa one lists it too
[14:51] <bjsnider> ok, i know why the uoa dialog is broken
[14:51] <bjsnider> i am preparing a revised debdiff
[14:51] <bjsnider> it was built with uoa=yes but the uoa files were not installed anywhere
[14:52] <bjsnider> here i built it with uoa=no
[14:52] <ricotz> why did you drop the files?
[14:53] <bjsnider> uoa=no doesn't build them at all, and i assumed that they didn't exist anymore. i didn't understand the libaccounts-plugin thing
[14:53] <bjsnider> i do understand it now
[14:53] <ricotz> you changed the package layout and missed to fix those?
[14:53] <ricotz> ok
[14:54] <ricotz> so test and build it like it is suppose to go into the ppa ;)
[14:54] <bjsnider> it's pretty easy to fix though, because those packages are still there as transitionals, so they just get the files back in the new version
[14:54] <bjsnider> also there are a couple of new files to install
[14:55] <ricotz> ok
[14:55] <bjsnider> the thing is i thought because of the uoa patches not working i culdn't build it with uoa at all, but that's not the case
[14:55] <ricotz> uoa is upstreamed
[14:57] <ricotz> ok, let tim look at and upload it
[14:57] <bjsnider> now i fully understand the differences between the ubuntu and debian packages
[14:59] <bjsnider> i think i did pretty well considering i've never dealt with empathy or libaccounts-plugin before
[15:02] <ricotz> bjsnider, don't worry, i wanted to make sure you are on it ;)
[15:02] <ricotz> btw, how dare you to think i am running unity! ;)
[15:03] <bjsnider> it was the only thing i could think of at the time
[15:25] <bjsnider> that went perfectly
[15:35] <nadrimajstor> As Papa Smurf sed: "... , if the engineering leads on ubuntu want to switch to systemd that will be absolutely fine by me, ..."
[15:35] <nadrimajstor> Can we have a Ubuntu with GNOME and systemd? O:-)
[15:38] <bjsnider> it's hugely invasive and hardly justified, in case you haven't heard
[15:59] <CountryfiedLinux> hey y'all
[15:59] <CountryfiedLinux> I have an idea for the next Ubuntu Gnome
[15:59] <CountryfiedLinux> I think it should have Docky or Plank dock by default
[15:59] <CountryfiedLinux> First impressions are lasting ones, and lack of dock makes it very less "usable"
[16:00] <CountryfiedLinux> That is unless a user prefers to go into overview every time they wish to launch a favorited app and still not being able to minimize by clicking on the overview icon
[16:00] <CountryfiedLinux> And perhaps a menu extension also
[16:01] <CountryfiedLinux> Oh yeah, and avconv doesn't work in 13.10 it says it dumps something, don't remember.
[16:03] <bjsnider> i think there's an extension to always display the dock, not just in overview
[16:08] <bjsnider> darkxst, empathy_3.10.1-0ubuntu1~saucy2.debdiff : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6264644/
[16:08] <bjsnider> i kept all the changes you made to mine
[16:08] <bjsnider> tested it here, builds successfully
[16:41] <JoaoSantana> hi all
[17:20] <roasted> oh
[17:27] <ricotz> bjsnider, please merge your changelogs and only mention the actual changes to 3.8.x package
[17:38] <bjsnider> damn changelog
[17:38] <bjsnider> i'm just going to have one entry that reads "did some stuff."
[17:39] <ricotz> bjsnider, i know i might be annoying
[17:40] <ricotz> i really don't like "Removed most extra build flags as configure reported that they are meaningless"
[17:40] <ricotz> since it *is* better to explictly enable things rather than relying on auto-detections in the buildsys
[17:41] <ricotz> also keep the line-length < 80 in the changelog
[17:45] <bjsnider> no, the only build flags i removed were the ones that illicit this response: configure: WARNING: unrecognized options:
[17:45] <ricotz> bjsnider, http://paste.debian.net/plain/59585
[17:45] <roasted> does staging or next pull in the ubuntu online accounts?
[17:45] <ricotz> e.g. "--enable-goa=yes"
[17:45] <roasted> I recall not seeing it until I added ppa's
[17:49] <ricotz> -usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/org.gnome.Empathy.gschema.xml
[17:49] <ricotz> +usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/
[17:49] <bjsnider> enable-goa is unrecognized
[17:49] <ricotz> bjsnider, why is this needed? ^
[17:49] <bjsnider> there's an extra schema to install
[17:50] <ricotz> better to add "org.gnome.telepathy-account-widgets.gschema.xml" explictly
[17:51] <ricotz> AC_ARG_ENABLE(goa,
[17:51] <ricotz>  is still there
[17:51] <roasted> why does evolution-ews not get pulled in as a dependency when you add an exchange account in goa?
[17:52] <roasted> nice, can't even install evolution-ews
[17:52] <roasted> 3.8 in repos despite 3.10 installed
[17:56] <bjsnider> ricotz, yeah it appears to be there, and it's listed in --help but when you run the script it says it's unrecognized, so i'm not sure if it's still working or not
[17:57] <bjsnider> i can ask them in their channel
[17:57] <ricotz> bjsnider, please just merge and reformat the changelog
[17:57] <ricotz> i will take a look
[17:58] <bjsnider> ok
[17:58] <ricotz> and use http://paste.debian.net which doesnt require to login
[18:01] <ricotz> bjsnider, did you use my package as base?
[18:01] <bjsnider> i used the 3.8.4
[18:02] <ricotz> e.g. 39_default_to_freenode_for_irc.patch should be refreshed not dropped
[18:03] <bjsnider> the file being patched doesn't exist iirc
[18:03] <ricotz> the setting was moved to another file
[18:05] <roasted> hey, ricotz. You do work on eOS?
[18:05] <ricotz> bjsnider, also 23_idomessagedialog_for_voip_and_ft.patch
[18:15] <ricotz> roasted, yes
[18:22] <ricotz> bjsnider, http://paste.debian.net/plain/59597 ?
[18:23] <ricotz> bjsnider, ah what is the reason to remove "libunity-dev" ?
[18:23] <bjsnider> no need without the unity patch
[18:24] <bjsnider> it can be there but it will do nothing
[18:24] <ricotz> this provides badges and progress indicator for docks
[18:24] <ricotz> 41_unity_launcher_progress.patch
[18:24] <bjsnider> right, that doesn't apply
[18:24] <ricotz> it applies
[18:25] <ronj> Hi! I just updated my raring ubuntu-gnome box to saucy + ppa-GNOME3 + ppa-GNOME3-next, went flawlessly :) . I have one single problem: keyboard shortcuts (as defined in the 'Keyboard' config applet) don't work. E.g. I even the default Ctrl+Alt+T bound to 'Terminal' doesn't work. Is this a known issue? Can you help me troubleshoot?
[18:27] <ricotz> bjsnider, are you ok with the changelog http://paste.debian.net/plain/59598 ?
[18:27] <ricotz> i applied your changes to my previous package update
[18:27] <bjsnider> yes but patch 23 applies now right?
[18:27] <bjsnider> that line can go
[18:28] <ricotz> huh?
[18:29] <bjsnider> +    - 23_idomessagedialog_for_voip_and_ft.patch,
[18:29] <roasted> ricotz: mind if I ask you a question regarding that? (if not just ignore it) https://bugs.launchpad.net/plank/+bug/1204856 your comment about r891, I don't know what to do. What is r891 referencing? An update from update manager? Or an update I need to patch in manually?
[18:29] <ricotz> ... , refreshed
[18:29] <ricotz> roasted, #elementary-dev
[18:29] <bjsnider> ricotz, oh, i thought the - meant removed
[18:30] <roasted> you got it - thanks.
[18:30] <ricotz> bjsnider, no ;)
[18:30] <bjsnider> i think this build will fail though
[18:31] <ricotz> yes it does
[19:21] <ronj> -Update after some research- After upgrading from raring to saucy + gnome3 PPA + gnome3-next PPA, my system-wide keyboard shortcuts work only partially. It seems the ones defined in DConf (org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings) do work (including for example Maximize, Close, etc.), but other ones (e.g. "Launch Terminal" or the whole "Custom" section) do not. Is it a known issue? Can I do something about it?
[19:27] <ronj> Precising: all shortcuts defined in org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings work, and all shortcuts defined in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys don't do anything
[19:28] <ricotz> ronj, could you try restarting gnome-shell
[19:29] <ricotz> alt+f2 - r
[19:30] <ricotz> bjsnider, pushed and built
[19:32] <ronj> ricotz, just tried restarting gnome-shell, that didn't help
[19:32] <bjsnider> cool
[19:35] <ronj> I tried re-setting them via the control center, didn't help either. I also noticed that the ones in org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys were defined as for example <Primary><Alt>o and tried switching to <Control><Alt>o, like in org.gnome.desktop.wm.keybindings, that didn't help either
[19:35] <ricotz> ronj, hmm, i am occasionally experiencing that the media-keys arent working which seems to be a gnome-shell problem
[19:36] <ronj> ok, good to know. Can I help? Do you want me to try asking #gnome-shell? Something else that might help narrowing down on the issue?
[19:37] <ronj> Should I try ppa-purging gnome3-next and see if it's specific to ubuntugnome shell's 3.10 ?
[19:37] <ricotz> ronj, would be nice if you could mention that on #gnome-shell
[19:38] <ricotz> purging wont help since this is more a gnome-settings-daemon <> gnome-shell interaction problem
[19:38] <ronj> ok
[19:38] <ronj> Will do and come back here, this evening or tomorrow. Thx!
[19:38] <ricotz> i mean "won't help" to fix the real problem
[19:38] <ricotz> thanks
[19:53] <bjsnider> ricotz, does your jabber account work now?
[19:55] <ricotz> bjsnider, yes
[20:15] <bjsnider> ricotz, does empathy-accounts work?
[20:25] <ricotz> bjsnider, hmm, it crashes
[20:25] <bjsnider> segfault?
[20:25] <ricotz> yes
[20:25] <bjsnider> i was able to test it without uoa for the past couple days
[20:25] <ricotz> in telepathy-glib
[20:25] <bjsnider> worked with no uoa
[20:26] <bjsnider> i mean it worked in the sense that it didn't segfault
[20:27] <ricotz> weird, i use the g-c-c panels, did it work in 3.8.4?
[20:27] <bjsnider> well, that's what happens when it is run, is it calls up the gss uoa panel
[20:28] <bjsnider> gcc i mean
[20:33] <bjsnider> but yeah, you can bypass it by going directly to gcc
[20:34] <bjsnider> i'm 99% sure it worked in 3.8
[20:53] <ricotz> bjsnider, seems like the define of "TPAW_UOA_PROVIDER" gets lost or isnt set properly
[20:54] <bjsnider> better submit a bug to gnome about it
[20:54] <ricotz> could be related to the autoreconf
[20:54] <bjsnider> guess this thing still isn't ready for prime time