[03:10] <Zoe_> Hey can someone help me with a real easy bash script problem that im writing using vim
[03:11] <Zoe_> a
[04:26] <_serial_> Good morning all.  Please can someone tell me what the name of the sound service or program called that manages the sound icon in the unity panel?
[04:28] <_serial_> Fixed it.  I sent unity a message --reset-icons which although removed my icons config brought back my sound panel icon.
[06:35] <SuperMatt> wooo, I'm gonna be an official google helpouterer when it goes live \o/
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: it's like fixing your family's computers, except they're strangers, on the internet!
[06:36] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: ("I didn't click anything, honest!")
[06:37] <SuperMatt> naw, it's gonna be more about teaching people to get up and running on ubuntu
[06:38] <MartijnVdS> ah, I thought it was a general tech support-y kind of thing
[06:38] <SuperMatt> nope nope
[06:38] <SuperMatt> it can be anything you like
[06:38] <SuperMatt> I should work on the site
[08:04] <mungbean_> sad not to be at oggcamp
[08:20] <gordonjcp> ye
[09:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:17] <mungbean_> morning
[09:18] <brobostigon> morning mungbean
[09:28] <Guest32587> think it will be quiet here today
[09:29] <brobostigon> yes?
[09:29] <brobostigon> release party hangovers? oggcamp hangovers?
[09:29] <mungbean_> oggcamp in full swing
[09:29] <mungbean_> haven't seen much excitement around new release
[09:30] <brobostigon> i suppose ubuntu-phone being stable release is the interesting bit.
[09:32] <mungbean_> i see lubuntu have gone to firefox now instead of chrom*
[09:32] <mungbean_> very few changes otherwise
[09:32] <brobostigon> chromium, there wouldnt have used chrome, because of chromes closed componants.
[09:33] <brobostigon> they*
[09:47] <popey> Morning all
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:56] <mungbean_> 8.1 introduces scopes i see
[09:56] <mungbean_> "Instead of simply searching your computer, it now includes web search results as well (via Bing, naturally). The result is that the Metro desktop now doubles as your search engine, and a nice one at that."
[11:21] <SuperMatt> so, my google helpout should be live on day 1 of helpouts, so I'm working on my helpouts webpage :D
[11:21] <SuperMatt> http://helpouts.supermatt.net/
[11:36] <AlanBell> SuperMatt: looks cool, what is that all about
[11:37] <SuperMatt> so google helpouts is a way of using google hangouts to help people with whatever they need
[11:37] <SuperMatt> I've decided to run a "getting started with ubuntu" helpout
[11:38] <SuperMatt> so I'm providing a little extra documentation to go with it
[11:38] <AlanBell> very cool
[11:38] <AlanBell> so we need to tell people about this somehow?
[11:39] <SuperMatt> well, I'm going to keep my eye on things like reddit to see if there are people that need help
[11:39] <AlanBell> when does it kick off?
[11:40] <SuperMatt> next friday
[12:05] <mungbean_> y'all might want to examine the box at the bottom of this page
[12:05] <mungbean_> https://plus.google.com/settings/endorsements?hl=en
[12:20] <SuperMatt> oh yeah, already done that
[12:24] <SuperMatt> all right, my helpouts thing is coming along real nice now I've got the toughest bits up and running
[13:58] <SuperMatt> man, I didn't think I'd be able to write all this in only a day
[13:58] <SuperMatt> http://helpouts.supermatt.net
[14:00] <b1ackcr0w> Hi all
[14:00] <b1ackcr0w> cannot figure out for the life of me what's wrong with the following ...
[14:01] <b1ackcr0w> it a config file for imap filter
[14:01] <SuperMatt> what application
[14:01] <SuperMatt> ?
[14:04] <b1ackcr0w> http://pastebin.com/56hQxt2c
[14:05] <SuperMatt> what application is this?
[14:05] <SuperMatt> geary? thunderbird?
[14:05] <b1ackcr0w> imapfilter
[14:05] <SuperMatt> oh right
[14:05] <SuperMatt> I don't know anything about that I'm afraid
[14:05] <b1ackcr0w> http://pastebin.com/56hQxt2c
[14:06] <b1ackcr0w> i'm using it to filter spam and rubbish out of my inbox
[14:06] <b1ackcr0w> the yahoo move works
[14:06] <b1ackcr0w> but the regex in the vydox line isn't working
[14:07] <mgdm> that looks a bit like Ruby
[14:07] <b1ackcr0w> tis lua
[14:07] <mgdm> ah!
[14:08] <mgdm> You sure you don't need to denote it's a regex by using something like / instead of '?
[14:08] <mgdm> (Sorry, I don't know lua)
[14:08] <b1ackcr0w> tbh - it could be any scripting language
[14:08] <b1ackcr0w> mgdm that's exactly what I can't figure out
[14:09] <b1ackcr0w> hm - i'll try some slashes
[14:10] <b1ackcr0w> wait one - i'll just edit the script on the pi....
[14:13] <mungbean_> do you need a * or wildcard after vodox?
[14:14] <b1ackcr0w> aparently not
[14:14] <b1ackcr0w> the yahoo line didn't need it
[14:15] <b1ackcr0w> i wonder if its actually case sensitive?
[14:16] <mungbean_> try break it down.
[14:16] <mungbean_> lowercase only - send a mail, see if it works
[14:16] <b1ackcr0w> k doing that now
[14:17] <mungbean_> http://moiristo.wordpress.com/page/2/
[14:17] <mungbean_> msgs =     account2.INBOX:contain_from('Cron') + account2.INBOX:contain_from('Log') + account2.INBOX:contain_subject('yum')
[14:17] <mungbean_> What you need to know here is that the ‘+’ operator means ‘or’.
[14:18] <b1ackcr0w> ah!
[14:18] <b1ackcr0w> it appears that it isn't case sensitive, so the regex just confuses it
[14:19] <b1ackcr0w> just tested and got it to work
[14:19] <mungbean_> \o/
[14:20]  * MartijnVdS recompiles a Precise kernel.. can't wait for the 13.10 kernel/"enablement" bits
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> Haven't done this in ages
[14:20] <b1ackcr0w> so, just don't have to bother with as much validation as usual
[14:20] <b1ackcr0w> cool :)
[14:21] <b1ackcr0w> nice one people, my raspi is about to become a demon mail sorter :)
[14:29] <mungbean_> MartijnVdS: huh?
[14:29] <mungbean_> whicvh bits?
[14:31] <isleofmandan> Hello. Any Dell XPS 13 Developer Edition folks about? I want to wipe my machine and do a clean 13.10 install, but not sure what some of existing partitions are for, whether I need them, and also what to do about swap on an SSD...
[14:32] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: what kind of partitions do you have?
[14:33] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: can you do an "fdisk -l", or screenshot gnome-disks and put it online somewhere?
[14:36] <isleofmandan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6264114/
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[14:40] <isleofmandan> My thoughts too
[14:40] <isleofmandan> :)
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> could be useful (EFI boot stuff)
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> or not ("repair" partition to bring everything back to factory settings)
[14:42] <isleofmandan> grub does give a "Re-install 12.04 to factory settings" type option, so I assume sda2 contains the image for that.
[14:43] <isleofmandan> sda1 might be something for the BIOS to use. Diagnostic software or some such?
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> Well it's up to you then.. do you want to keep it? ;)
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> it's probably the software used to put the image in the repair partition back on the rest of the disk
[14:43] <isleofmandan> I don't need the 12.04 sputnik image. I could always download it from Dell again.
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> you could always make a backup of those partitions, they're not huge
[14:44] <isleofmandan> What's the best way?  dd them into a file?
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> there's partimage, but that doesn't take care of the bootloader
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> neither would dd'ing, btw
[14:57] <isleofmandan> looking in /etc/grub.d is helping me to see what is what...
[15:22] <talsamon__> hello - after upgrade the greeter doesn't show the window-managers, coult anyone tell me, in which file i can change this or edit
[15:24] <talsamon__> it seems to be the lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:54] <talsamon__> i have found it, solved...
[16:30] <ali1234> hmm... i need a sata extension cable so i can plug a 3.5" hard drive in to a laptop motherboard
[16:48] <isleofmandan> MartijnVdS: Just popped back in to say I wiped every partition and installed 13.10 on a blank drive. Nothing seems broken, so I think I got away with it :)    Thanks for your help earlier.
[17:33] <ali1234> what is the best way to keep a folder in sync across linux and mac?
[17:33] <penguin42> rsync?
[17:37] <ali1234> it has to work in both directions
[17:38] <ali1234> only new files will be created and they will never change
[17:38] <penguin42> hmm can't rsync do that?
[17:39] <ali1234> dunno
[17:39] <ali1234> also it needs to work 3 way
[17:40] <penguin42> ali1234: Well I'd just rsync both ways to each of the other two machines
[17:41] <mgdm> unison? (never used it, but I believe it should work...)
[17:41] <ali1234> basically there will be 3 computers copying video off sd cards onto their local hard drive
[17:42] <ali1234> they will all be copying literally as fast as they can
[17:42] <ali1234> from SD card that is
[17:42] <ali1234> they'll also be connected on gigabit ethernet
[17:42] <ali1234> each computer needs a copy of all the video files
[17:42] <penguin42> ali1234: And so you're trying to make all 3 be mirrors of each other?
[17:42] <ali1234> right
[17:43] <penguin42> ali1234: So personally, unless there is zillions of files, I'd either run individual rsync's between them, or treat one as master that they all rsync to and back from
[17:43] <ali1234> the thing about rsync is, it's too complicated
[17:43] <penguin42> ali1234: ?
[17:43] <ali1234> i want something i can just turn on and forget about it
[17:43] <ali1234> but looks like i'll have to make it with rsync
[17:44] <penguin42> ali1234: I'd just keep it cron'ing all the time
[17:44] <ali1234> i'm going to be busy fiddling with sd cards, i don't need to be running rsync as well
[17:44] <ali1234> the other thing is it can't run over ssh because the overhead will be too much
[17:44] <penguin42> ali1234: You say between macs and linux - is that some machines are macs and some are linux?
[17:44] <ali1234> yes
[17:45] <penguin42> are you *sure* ssh is too high? That sounds unlikely
[17:45] <ali1234> the video files are 54mbit/s
[17:45] <ali1234> we have 7 cameras
[17:45] <penguin42> ali1234: Unless the machines are truly shit then ssh shouldn't be an issue
[17:45] <ali1234> the sd card readers do about 100mbit/s
[17:45] <ali1234> and we'll have 3 of those
[17:45] <ali1234> one in each machine
[17:45] <penguin42> ali1234: Considered one of the wifi sd cards?
[17:45] <ali1234> too expensive
[17:46] <ali1234> also 54mbit/s on wifi = lolno
[17:46] <ali1234> and certainly not with 7 of them all running at once
[17:46] <penguin42> ok
[17:47] <ali1234> also i kind of doubt that these machines can do 100mbit/s ssh encryption and decryption at the same time
[17:47] <penguin42> ali1234: I'd try rsync with ssh (I think you can specify ssh encryption type and opt for a very low cpu one if that's really a problem); rsync is generally pretty efficient unless you're dealing with lots of tiny files which you aren't
[17:47] <ali1234> yeah, rsync isn't the problem, t's the encryption
[17:47] <penguin42> rsync can do a native protocol I think, not tried it for years though
[17:47] <ali1234> it's totally not needed anyway as we will be using loopback network cables
[17:48] <ali1234> rsync --rsh="ssh -c blowfish" says google
[17:48] <penguin42> ali1234: OK, other way is to mount via samba/webdav each machine to each other, and then you're running rsync just within the machine
[17:48] <ali1234> gets you 25MB/sec
[17:48] <ali1234> i'd take ssh over that
[17:49] <ali1234> i can just put a cert on each machine then
[17:49] <ali1234> my other option was going to be netcat
[17:49] <ali1234> i wonder if you can do --rsh="something clever with netcat"
[17:49] <penguin42> ali1234: If you can run the rsyncd on each machine it'll do it without ssh at all
[17:50] <ali1234> is that available as standard on macs?
[17:50]  * penguin42 doesn't know macs
[17:50] <ali1234> i'll ask
[17:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Read the 'Connecting to an rsync daemon' in the rsync manpage - note the subtlety in the url naming to use rsync:// or the *double* colon
[17:55] <penguin42> ali1234: The other thing I'd be careful of is how you're copying off the SD cards and in particular if you end up copying partial files
[17:55] <ali1234> yes, already considered that
[17:55] <ali1234> i'll copy to a temp folder and then mv it into the synced directory
[17:56] <penguin42> nod
[18:06] <ali1234> i wonder how much video files would compress
[18:45] <penguin42> ali1234: They shouldn't
[18:45] <ali1234> yeah they don't: about 1%
[18:45] <ali1234> with bzip2 -9
[18:45] <penguin42> ali1234: If the cameras are only doing mjpeg they stand a chance
[19:15] <gebbione> does export save a variable in the user profile for ever? or do i need something else?
[19:16] <penguin42> gebbione: No it doesn't
[19:16] <penguin42> gebbione: export just sets it for the current shell, if you want to set it for ever put it in your .profile or .bashrc
[19:16] <gebbione> thanks
[19:19] <gebbione> i hate it when a shell is dead ... not even ctrl +c returns control over it by killing the current process/action
[19:19] <mgdm> you don't mean with ssh, do you?
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[19:20] <mgdm> that'll kill it
[19:20] <gebbione> it is with ssh
[19:20] <gebbione> but nothing returns control from it
[19:20] <gebbione> neither enter not ctrl c
[19:21] <gebbione> it is stuck showing me the remote username@ip
[19:21] <mgdm> yes, try the combo I gave you
[19:21] <mgdm> enter then ~ then .
[19:22] <gebbione> great thanks ... whats behind the scenes when you do this key combination ... it kills your ssh client?
[19:23] <mgdm> the 'enter then ~' bit is a command to SSH to give you its console
[19:23] <mgdm> then '.' means exit
[19:24] <mgdm> try enter ~ ? some time, too
[19:24] <mgdm> or read http://www.void.gr/kargig/blog/2006/01/24/ssh-escape-characters/
[20:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:35] <penguin42> erm good morning
[20:35] <bigcalm> :D
[20:39] <Obiituzz> Hello
[20:39] <Obiituzz> Good afternoon.
[20:39] <Obiituzz> I need help with Ubuntu, can someone please give me a hand?
[20:39] <bigcalm> !ask
[20:41] <Obiituzz> Ok. I need to create a booteable Pendrive
[20:41] <penguin42> Obiituzz: From a Linux system? Got a recent Ubuntu iso?
[20:41] <Obiituzz> i was trying  to do it with Unetbotin
[20:41] <Obiituzz> yes
[20:41] <Obiituzz> i have the ISO imge
[20:42] <penguin42> Obiituzz: If you know the /dev/sd?? name of the device, make sure it's not mounted and then do      dd if=my.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1024k
[20:42] <penguin42> Obiituzz: BUT BE CAREFUL TO GET THE RIGHT DEVICE - and it's the one without the numbers at the end
[20:50] <mgdm> bigcalm: 'lo
[20:51] <bigcalm> mgdm: how's oggcamp?
[20:52] <mgdm> bigcalm: wouldn't know
[20:52] <bigcalm> mgdm: aww, sorry. Thought you had gone
[20:53] <mgdm> Nah, didn't in the end. And my trip to the hospital on Thursday night woudl've seen to it anyway :)
[20:53] <bigcalm> What have you done to yourself?
[20:53] <mgdm> tl;dr - asthma FTL
[20:53] <bigcalm> :(
[20:54] <mgdm> however, communist^Wsocialized healthcare FTW
[20:54] <bigcalm> Heh
[20:54] <penguin42> mgdm: Ah, I'm fortunate enough to keep my asthma mostly in check with the regular stuff and the occaisonal salbutamol
[20:55] <mgdm> penguin42: normally so am I, but I got a cold, which mutated, and regardless of all of that I ended up needing enough Ventolin nebulizer treatment to stun a horse
[20:55] <penguin42> mgdm: Erk
[20:57] <mgdm> In other news, I just make a project use Autotools and it works and I only swore a couple of times
[20:57] <mgdm> this is new for me
[21:10] <Obiituzz> penguin: sorry man, im a new Linux user
[21:10] <Obiituzz> i didnt understand what you said.. Let me be clear.. I have Ubuntu and i'm trying to get Fedora
[21:10] <Obiituzz> Im trying to do a LiveUSB to boot it... I have the image
[21:11] <Obiituzz> i've try to use uNetbootin and Fedora Live usbCreator
[21:11] <Obiituzz> and i have troubles with both
[21:11] <zleap> it should work
[21:12] <Obiituzz> UnetCreator: I fllow the steps and while i'm booting it gets freeze
[21:12] <Obiituzz> Fedora Live Usb Creator: ISO MD5 checksum verification failed
[21:14] <zleap> so you have a problem with the downloading of the iso file
[21:14] <Obiituzz> No
[21:14] <zleap> just checking the md5
[21:14] <Obiituzz> aint downloading using the tool
[21:15] <Obiituzz> i've already download it from site
[21:15] <zleap> ok,  sorry
[21:15] <Obiituzz> Any idea, my friend?
[21:17] <zleap> just had a look it lists my usb pendiver as /dev/sdb1
[21:17] <zleap> i need to download lubuntu 13.10 so will have a go as i also need to update a pen drive with that
[21:18] <zleap> so will do some screen shots at the same time and put on my website
[21:25] <Obiituzz> Thanks man
[21:26] <zleap> np
[21:26] <zleap> give us a few days and i will hopefully have something
[21:26] <Obiituzz> Thanks man
[21:26] <zleap> np
[21:34]  * mgdm writes documentation
[21:34] <mgdm> boo, dull
[21:34] <zleap> but essential
[21:35] <mgdm> Yeah. Especially as it's a library
[21:35] <zleap> ah
[21:35] <zleap> i thought you meant for ubuntu
[21:36] <mgdm> Ah, no
[21:36] <mgdm> It's for my fantastically niche side project: https://github.com/mgdm/Mosquitto-PHP
[21:36] <zleap> ah
[21:37] <zleap> what does star this repo mean
[21:37] <zleap> ?
[21:38] <mgdm> It's like 'favourite'
[21:38] <zleap> ok
[21:38] <mgdm> a sort of bookmark thing
[21:38] <zleap> like in chrome
[21:38] <mgdm> aye
[21:41] <Azelphur> Has anyone found a way to use an Android tablet as a secondary display yet?
[21:41] <Azelphur> Loads of projects on Windows/OSX seem to do it, but nothing works on Linux. :<
[21:42] <zleap> i am sure we were doing that at the last exeter lug meet
[21:42] <zleap> as in #dcglug
[21:43] <zleap> devon and cornwall linux user group channel
[21:43] <zleap> i think you can do that using vnc
[21:44] <zleap> as = ask
[21:44] <Azelphur> zleap: yea, I remember in my last attempt, I did something involving bumping the viewport size up, then vnc with clipping. But X was bugged and wouldn't allow Windows to move outside of the standard viewport area
[21:44] <Azelphur> wonder if it's been fixed in 13.10.
[21:44] <zleap> ok
[21:45] <Azelphur> I've taken a few runs at getting this to work ;)
[21:49] <zleap> as i said try the #dcglug channel i am sure this was a recent discussion or project or could actually be a current project
[22:00] <Azelphur> what's the command line way of updating to a new release? (13.04 -> 13.10) for some reason update-manager doesn't feel like giving me the button.
[22:01] <ali1234> do-release-upgrade
[22:01] <Azelphur> that's the one, ty :)
[22:12] <mgdm> Docs finished, for now \o
[23:07] <mgdm> Oh, it's after midnight
[23:08] <mgdm> oops
[23:08]  * penguin42 looks at the pumpkin mgdm
[23:08] <mgdm> :D
[23:08] <mgdm> I am somewhat round, though not orange as far as I can tell. :P