[00:13] <ozkrk> hi guys I need something
[00:14] <ozkrk> I need a panel appelt which I cah usee for a spessific folder
[00:14] <ozkrk> I mean like folders menu but I want to use something like that for show a spessific folder
[00:18] <ozkrk> and that appaelt should shows the items which that folder includes
[00:20] <rcman> if i add a file ~/.config/openbox/mycustom-rc.xml  .. will that get loaded before of after lubuntu-rc.xml?
[00:20] <rcman> will it get loaded at all?
[00:22] <ozkrk> what ?
[00:23] <rcman> u mean me ozkrk?
[01:17] <cdrkeen> Hey anyone around to assit me?
[01:22] <Hundred> do you have to setup anything in particular when installing lubuntu on an sdd
[01:47] <cdrkeen> Hundred, i just disabled the swap
[01:50] <Rexter> hello, I'm looking for a way to change the icon on a desktop icon.
[01:52] <Rexter> I mean I'm trying to change the icon on a desktop item.
[01:57] <ianorlin> what kind of item?
[01:59] <rourick> 13.10 rocks! best lubuntu i used :)
[02:02] <Rexter> well in this case it's a symlink, but I don't think it makes a difference. I don't know how to change any icon in PCmanFM.
[02:08] <Hundred> on the start menu you can change an icon just by right clicking and going to properties, but i don't know about the desktop and folders
[02:08]  * ianorlin didn't think he was meaning start menu
[02:09] <Hundred> what if you set the icon on the start menu and send it to desktop after
[02:09]  * ianorlin isn't sure it is on the menu in the first place
[02:10] <Rexter> ok, so how do I get it in the start menu?
[02:11] <Hundred> is it a folder or app
[02:11] <Rexter> it's a shell script.
[02:11] <Hundred> oh
[02:13] <Hundred> i'm not sure, probably go to #LXDE on OFTC network
[02:18]  * ianorlin didn't see a way to get a shell script to right click on it to change icon
[06:16] <greeter> greetings. i'm thinking about migrating to lubuntu and i just have a few questions
[06:16] <greeter> i'm thinking of downloading the intel x86 desktop image. is that a live cd or is it an installer only?
[06:17] <mysteriousdarren> greeter: both
[06:18] <greeter> excellent. thank you mysteriousdarren
[06:19] <mysteriousdarren> greeter:sorry for the wait
[06:20] <greeter> that's no problem. i'm still looking for information and planning out how i'm going to backup my files
[06:21] <mysteriousdarren> greeter:what program? be more specific
[06:21] <greeter> well i'm just looking for more information in general about lubuntu. i picked it because it's supposed to run well on older machines
[06:22] <mysteriousdarren> yes well ask away
[06:22] <mysteriousdarren> have you checked out ubuntu forums?
[06:23] <greeter> i have browsed through them on occasion when trying to troubleshoot issues with linux in general. i'm not a huge forums guy myself though
[06:24] <mysteriousdarren> what problems?
[06:25] <greeter> well the main reason i'm migrating is because getting audio to work consistiently has just been a nightmare. i've filed bug reports, been following them, tried every solution i can find, i still have problems
[06:25] <mysteriousdarren> what hardware?
[06:25] <greeter> hmm i don't know off hand but if you give me a minute or two i can find that out
[06:26] <mysteriousdarren> ok sounds good
[06:27] <greeter> i'm on fedora and after looking through the bug reports it just seems a number of fedora users out there have issues with pulseaudio or pnmixer
[06:28] <mysteriousdarren> yes, I had so much trouble with audio problems with Fedora ive not gone back for some time
[06:28] <greeter> hmm this is odd. it no longer shows my hardware, it just shows pulseaudio sound server. maybe my issues are finally fixed
[06:29] <greeter> well still i'm going to download the iso. if audio gives up and dies on me again i'll try switching to lubuntu and see if that works
[06:31] <mysteriousdarren> good luck doesnt hurt to ask.
[06:31] <greeter> thanks. i do have one last question. about how often does lubuntu update? is it like fedora where it updates often or is it more stable?
[06:32] <mysteriousdarren> depends on what you decide to choose. LTS updates are more stable or you can do bleeding edge if you'd like
[06:33] <greeter> i think lts would be best. my experience with fedora and always getting the latest packages leave me a bit gunshy
[06:33] <mysteriousdarren> if you know what packages cause you problems such as audio you can always keep them too
[06:34] <greeter> hmm i'm not sure what it is. the bug reports said it was pnmixer so i removed that, still had issues. then someone said it was pulse. switched to alsa still had issues
[06:35] <mysteriousdarren> depends I have audio problems on my workstation in windows but lubuntu just works :)
[06:35] <mysteriousdarren> depends on the drivers and hardware sometimes
[06:35] <greeter> well my hardware is ancient, which was the big draw to lubuntu, and for that matter the lighter version of fedora which wound out breaking sound
[06:36] <mysteriousdarren> did the heavier versions work?
[06:36] <greeter> yeah, fedora 11 with kde played sound, eventually. fedora 18 with lxde would play it if i restarted pulse and then logged back in
[06:37] <greeter> fedora 19, if sound breaks, i can only  play it again if i run the application as root. with audacity or mplayer who cares, but i'm not trying that with skype lol
[06:37] <mysteriousdarren> ouch
[06:38] <mysteriousdarren> I have to head to bed have a good night. Let the force be with you
[06:38] <greeter> alright then, thank you mysteriousdarren :-) goodnight
[07:43] <LuvLinuxOS> Hi all
[07:43] <LuvLinuxOS> I just blogged about Lubuntu 13.10 Please let me know what you think http://luvlinuxos.blogspot.com/
[09:58] <brainwash> bug 1205384 still needs some attention
[10:03] <jarnos> bt
[10:03] <jarnos> It needs to be mentioned in known issues of release notes.
[10:04] <brainwash> right, the user should be warned before downloading the 13.10 image
[10:05] <brainwash> it is easy fixable, but most users just won't know about this security issue
[14:07] <ray9na> Hello. I have a potentially stupid question.
[14:09] <ray9na> I'm running Lubuntu 13.04 on a netbook. I just got the notification to upgrade to 13.10, but the entire thing just said Ubuntu. Will this properly upgrade me to Lubuntu 13.10 and not Ubuntu 13.10?
[14:14] <ray9na> Hello, Sergio.
[14:16] <ray9na> I have a question if anyone is able to answer it.
[14:28] <SergioMeneses> ray9na, sure! what is it?
[14:32] <ray9na> I'm running Lubuntu 13.04 on a netbook. I just got the notification to upgrade to 13.10, but the entire thing just said Ubuntu. Will this properly upgrade me to Lubuntu 13.10 and not Ubuntu 13.10?
[14:33] <ray9na> Or are there other ways to painlessly upgrade?
[14:35] <SergioMeneses> ray9na, upgrade is not something too rude if you use the update-anager application :)
[14:36] <SergioMeneses> I think if you want to taste it, do it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Lubuntu Saucy has a lot of good things :)
[14:36] <ray9na> System Tools | Software Updater ?
[14:38] <SergioMeneses> ray9na, you get the advice to update your system on your desktop, right?
[14:39] <ray9na> Yeah, I had just booted up and there was a big window saying that I could upgrade to Ubunto Saucy
[14:39] <ray9na> I accidentally closed it...
[14:39] <SergioMeneses> ray9na, but you want to upgrade or stay on 13.04?
[14:41] <ray9na> Well, I know I'll have to upgrade pretty soon, since Lubuntu doesn't have LTS like Ubuntu does.
[14:42] <SergioMeneses> ray9na, yes
[14:43] <SergioMeneses> there is a program called update-manager, open it and you will see the upgrade option
[14:44] <ray9na> Yep, there it is. :)
[14:44] <SergioMeneses> ok :)
[14:45] <ray9na> It's entirely possible this line of questioning could have been prevented by a cup of coffee first. :-P
[14:45] <SergioMeneses> :O
[14:46] <ray9na> Thanks. :)
[14:46] <ray9na> And all my data, etc., will be safe? I don't have to frantically back everything up first, make a list of the programs I have installed, etc.?
[14:47] <SergioMeneses> ray9na, dont worry all will be fine ;)
[14:47] <ray9na> *whew*
[14:48] <ray9na> All righty, thank you. :)
[14:49] <ray9na> (And away I go...)
[14:51] <munerf> hello, I've updated to lubunto 13.10 and lost network access
[18:40] <rourick> hi :)
[18:40] <rourick> 13.10 has been awesome for me, but i been getting random restart's
[18:40] <rourick> is a log i can check 2 see what is going on?
[18:42] <brainwash> rourick: maybe you can find something in /var/log/syslog
[18:42] <rourick> brainwash: ok ty
[18:43] <brainwash> every kernel/system message comes with a timestamp, so the related information should be easy to find
[20:10] <Meris> I have installed Lubuntu 13.10 on a 2007 MacBook (Intel Core 2 Duo 1,987 GHz, 4GB RAM) but I can't see any battery indicator. That is pretty critical when working on a laptop...
[20:13] <likevel> meris: check your ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf
[20:13] <likevel> is laptop_mode set to yes?
[20:14] <Meris> likevel, just a sec. let me check that
[20:15] <Meris> It wasn't, but now it is, just edited it.
[20:15] <Meris> likevel, shoul I log off/ on to see the difference?
[20:15] <likevel> yep :-)
[20:15] <Meris> shoul => should
[20:16] <Meris> likevel, that worked like a charm, thx :-)
[20:17] <likevel> np :-)
[20:18] <Meris> likevel, I'm puzzled why it doesn't detect that on installation though. It's not that hard to detect that the processor supports stepped frequencies (which is almost uniquely reserved for mobile processors)
[20:20] <likevel> Yeah. I noticed that when I ran Lubuntu from usb disk it was set correctly, however, when I had installed it to disk it was gone. Took me a while to figure out what setting was changed.
[20:22] <Meris> likevel, anothor thing you might be able to help me with...After adding the battery status indicator, the desktop pager disappeared from the indicator panel, even though it does register as being loaded.
[20:25] <likevel> hmm, is it listed in "panel applets" in panel settings?
[20:25] <Meris> likevel, It is, but is sandwiched between two "spacer" items
[20:26] <likevel> does it reappear if you move it up or down in the list?
[20:27] <Meris> That's odd, it only remains visible if it is on a certain position. Either between the indicator panel and the clock, or at the extreme right side. In other places, it's completely invisible.
[20:28] <Meris> More than that, it is neither visible, nor active. Right clicking on the desktop pager tries to start up Openbox Configuration manager, which immediately crashes. This can be repeated over and over on my system.
[20:29] <Meris> Another oddity is that the Dekstop Pager seemed to be sliced in half horizontally, I can only see the bottom part
[20:29] <likevel> seems like there is a problem with the desktop pager. mine crashes too if i try to configure it.
[20:31] <Meris> 13.10 is of course rather new, so it might be one of the many bugs that have to be ironed out before the system becomes really stable. Ubuntu has LTS releases. How about Lubuntu? This laptop is meant for business, not for tinkering.
[20:35] <likevel> it seems that 14.04 might be LTS
[20:36] <phillw> hi Meris and likevel https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Overview/#Reporting_Bugs
[20:36] <Meris> That would be great. Well, as long as it has a stable version of tmux/ screen I can manage, it's mainly for remote terminal fiddling anyhow.
[20:37] <phillw> Do please the time to do so; they will not get fixed if we are not aware of them, thanks :)
[20:37] <phillw> likevel: 14.04 IS going to be an LTS; so get the bug reports of 13.10 in :)
[20:38] <Meris> phillw, I will report the bug, if it has not been reported yet, else I'll add to the counter that this is also affecting me.
[20:39] <phillw> many thanks, it is appreciated.
[20:41] <Meris> phillw, it is the least I can do. After all, I'm using free software since 1997 now.
[20:41] <Meris> phillw, I have used Ubuntu since version 5.04
[20:41] <Meris> Not as my main OS however, that was SuSE 6.4 at the time.
[20:44] <brainwash> phillw: can you please triage bug 1205384 and set the importance to "critical"?
[20:46] <LuvLinuxOS> hi all
[20:47] <phillw> Meris: we have a small, dedicated, testing team. But, we cannot catch every bug on all machines. brainwash if you have a bug that you feel is un-loved nag the QA mailing list :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Getting_Involved
[20:48] <Meris> phillw, one thing that is infuriating as a user (yes I feel this strongly about it...) is that when you search for lubuntu on launchpad.net you need to know which project your bug belongs to. That is something which is inside information. Users should not have to bother with that distinction.
[20:50] <Meris> phillw, I can choose from: lubuntu-artwork, lubuntu-software-center, lubuntu-tweaks, lxfind and lxscreenshot. None of these so-called projects within Launchpad seem to match the target I want to report a bug for.
[20:50] <phillw> Meris: I do agree, and as part of the classroom sessions last series; Brian held a fantastic session http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/06/24/%23ubuntu-classroom.html#t21:30
[20:50] <melodie> hi
[20:51] <melodie> hello phillw
[20:51] <phillw> hi melodie
[20:51] <brainwash> phillw: right, it's not about testing anymore, it's about fixing a critical security issue
[20:51] <brainwash> the testing should have been done before release
[20:52] <melodie> phillw brainwash about the xlock thing, I just checked what is in Xubuntu, in order to compare, and in the live they don't have a screenlock option at all
[20:52] <brainwash> they use xscreensaver
[20:53] <phillw> brainwash: when I catch breath, I will directly email to our dev. However "the testing should have been done before release" would have been picked up on, where someone to have tested it :)
[20:53] <brainwash> phillw: thanks :)
[20:54] <brainwash> I would have assumed that especially new features (lightdm locking) do get tested
[20:56] <brainwash> to make sure that it is not broken and works as intended
[20:56] <melodie> brainwash it does not show in the logout screen
[20:56] <melodie> and it does not lock the session either, at least in the live it doesn't
[20:56] <brainwash> melodie: are you referring to xuubntu?
[20:57] <melodie> yes brainwash I just tried in virtualbox
[20:57] <phillw> brainwash: we test the installer, and believe me here when I say that there has been several major issues with it that would stop an install completing. We're not overly happy with that happening as it sucked time from the testers that could have been used for 'how does it actually run'. We're always on the hunt for more testers, and if anyone here wants to help out for 14.04 they will be welcomed with open arms.
[20:58] <melodie> I started it from console, looked at some options, tried '--lock' and also '--activate' and also started the --prefs to see if I could get hands on the configuration
[20:58] <brainwash> melodie: I can lock the session via the session drop down menu (panel) or via keyboard shortcut
[20:58] <Meris> phillw, I tried to reproduce the bug. Well, the bug is still there, but the after having put the UI into laptop mode, the "Desktop Pager settings" as invoked from a right click from the desktop pager doesn't even try to launch anything, it does not even crash the openbox configuration screen, it just doesn't do anything at all anymore. Hence the trick that Brian described : "ubuntu-bug -w" doesn't work here... I'll try to find out the
[20:58] <Meris>  package name from apt-cache.
[20:58] <brainwash> and it runs xflock4 which calls xscreensaver-command -lock
[20:59] <melodie> brainwash I restart it immediatly
[21:00] <brainwash> phillw: don't worry, I'm just a bit upset because many people I know use lubuntu and are affected by this issue (not knowingly)
[21:00] <melodie> brainwash when I locked the session from the command line, the screen turned black but as soon as I moved the mouse cursor above it the desktop was there again: however it is not installed, it's a live. maybe that doesn't count?
[21:01] <brainwash> melodie: probably
[21:01] <phillw> melodie: my machine is still not clean install. I've just not had time. I do have a couple of VM's I can fire up that are 'virgin' if there is any help I can give.
[21:02] <melodie> brainwash I start the install in vbox to compare with what will show after install
[21:03] <Meris> Hmm, phillw On my search for the package I have encountered no less than 8 different bugs. I am beginning to have serious doubts about the stability of Lubuntu 13.10 as a whole )at least on my system)
[21:03] <melodie> I think if the bug related to (xlock?) is in lubuntu it should also be found in other versions, such as Xubuntu?
[21:03] <brainwash> yes, 13.10 is unpolished and was not ready for public release
[21:03] <brainwash> ^ every spin
[21:03] <melodie> same thought here
[21:04] <brainwash> it feels like a snapshot on the way to 14.04 LTS
[21:04] <melodie> I don't know, I would not say the same
[21:05] <Meris> Right now, it seems to be this broken that I cannot report the bug on the system that is experiencing this bug. That is what I call alpha-quality, not more.
[21:05] <melodie> last LTS also needed polish when it came out
[21:05] <phillw> melodie: lubuntu has never had an LTS :D
[21:05] <melodie> Meris I have often seen apport solved
[21:06] <melodie> phillw yes but it is a special case, it's young
[21:06] <melodie> the main distro itself and other derivated needed to get the updates during one or two months before being on the smooth run
 Meris I have often seen apport solve
 Meris I have often seen apport fail
[21:07] <melodie> I meant fail
[21:07] <greeter> lol
[21:07] <melodie> not good for me doing two or three things at same time and think about several
[21:07] <Meris> melodie, well, now I'm searching for the name of the crashing panel application, but when I use standard apps on the way (lxterminal, synaptic, apt-cache), I have encountered 8 more bugs.
[21:08] <melodie> so much?
[21:08] <Meris> Ah, yes, I forgot grep and less...
[21:08] <Meris> Yes, alas so
[21:08] <melodie> do they also fail?
[21:08] <melodie> what does the crash you meet with look like?
[21:09] <Meris> They don't fail completely, but they have quirks. Than again, it might also be specific for my system. After all, it's at a venerable age for a computer, 6 years old.
[21:12] <malaphus> Hi all.  I did a do-release-update today and everything went fine, however I have a problem now; my SSH Keyring is no longer working.  I am forced to enter my passphrase every time I SSH to a remove server, whereas before the first time (after a reboot) I'd get a dialog asking for the passphrase, then it would be remembered
[21:12] <malaphus> (went from 13.04 to 13.10)
[21:12] <Meris> Ah, now we are getting somewhere. I've started openbox while redirecting stderr. and I get loads and loads of Gtk-Warnings about hidden elements.
[21:13] <phillw> melodie: there were a lot of zero day updates launched today. Can you all please ensure you have them installed. nothing more annoying for a bug than "please update".
[21:14] <phillw> It will be a couple of hours for my VM do update.
[21:14] <Meris> On top of that, it eats through my battery life at an alarming rate. "Something" is clearly looping, leaking memory and performing a lot of unneeded opcodes on the way...
[21:16] <melodie> Meris the computer on which I tested last is a T30 laptop of 13 years old
[21:17] <melodie> the worse part of it is the FSB which is running at 99Mhz
[21:17] <melodie> Meris I am unaware of opcodes, I have read the word here and there but I don't have any idea what it refers to
[21:18] <melodie> phillw ok for the updates. Is zero day the other words for "critical bug updates"?
[21:18] <Meris> melodie, opcodes are the things that are executed at the processor level: machine code.
[21:20] <melodie> the strings containing hexa code?
[21:20] <phillw> melodie: they are bugs that where known of, but not critical enough to make re-spins of the ISO's. Each respin of an ISO eats so much time up that the bug and release team do have to make a call as to what gets in.
[21:20] <melodie> ok
[21:21] <phillw> after installing, the 1st thing people need to do is to update their system, bug fixes do get queued up.
[21:22] <melodie> ok
[21:22] <melodie> Xubuntu has provided their version with vboxadditions :p
[21:22] <melodie> I like that
[21:23] <Meris> melodie, here you are, this Wiki article is quite summarized, so it won't take that long to read through: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opcode
[21:23] <greeter> hmm. sounds like i have some documents to read :-)
[21:23] <melodie> greeter :p
[21:23] <melodie> thanks Meris
[21:23] <Meris> np
[21:23] <greeter> i'm migrating from fedora to lubuntu today. it's a nightmare trying to back up all the files i want to keep
[21:24] <phillw> melodie: there is a new vbox out! I did have someone report that lubuntu would not run for him in Vbox; it behaved well for me. and I'm not someone who uses vBox as their default VM system :D
[21:24] <melodie> 14 updates to do
[21:24] <Meris> greeter, try to stick to your documents, e-mail and browser settings.
[21:24] <melodie> phillw I run vbox in Archlinux
[21:24] <melodie> Arch is my main distro :)
[21:24] <Meris> greeter and if you have a password safe, be sure to include that one as well ;-)\
[21:24] <phillw> I use virt-manager :)
[21:24] <malaphus> I have a problem after upgrading to 13.10, my SSH Keyring is no longer working.  I am forced to enter my passphrase every time I SSH to a remote server, whereas before the first time (after a reboot) I'd get a dialog asking for the passphrase, then it would be remembered
[21:25] <greeter> thank you Meris. that's basically all i'm saving. any larger files i want to keep i have backed up to usb devices
[21:25] <Meris> malaphus, do you get an error message about "offending keys"?
[21:25] <greeter> the nightmare part comes from that feeling that i'm forgetting some super important document somewhere that i'm only going to remember after clobbering the current system lol
[21:26] <Meris> greeter, in that case splurge on a external HDD and backup your *entire* /home
[21:26] <malaphus> Meris: Nope, no error, SSH just prompts for the passphrase instead of the dialog that normally appears
[21:27] <greeter> well my /home is on a separate partition just for this kind of situation. although when i booted up the live cd i couldn't access the partition :-S
[21:29] <Meris> greeter, I'm assuming that you've kept saves limited to your /home partition only. When my grandfather was still among the living, I was scouring the C:\ drive for any rogue .txt's, .doc's, and wp documents, which took a lot of time. After a while I felt I needed to be strict with him: "Only files that you save within "My Documents" will get backed-up and nothing else (apart from e-mail and browser settings of course... He learned qui
[21:29] <Meris> ckly :-)
[21:30] <greeter> basically that's it Meris. except for a cron job and one other configuration file everything i want to keep is in /home
[21:30] <Meris> greeter, you did not encrypt your /home, now did you? It comes standard with *buntu installations nowadays...
[21:31] <greeter> i didn't encrypt it. i tried encrypting a partition once and it was just an utter disaster so i've since stayed away from that lol
[21:31] <melodie> phillw I don't know about virt-manager
[21:31] <phillw> greeter: also, do make /home a separate partition :)
[21:32] <greeter> i thought that's what i did. hmm
[21:32]  * greeter shrugs
[21:32] <greeter> ok one more thorough check to see if i forgot to back up anything
[21:32] <melodie> phillw and in Archlinux Virtualbox is always the latest stable available (unless we would not update the system regularly or often)
[21:33] <phillw> melodie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Virtual_Machines
[21:33] <Meris> greeter, me as well. My laptop does use encrypted drives though, along with 2 factor authentication. Let them try brute-forcing a 5120 bits encryption with passphrase ;-) Of course, an assailant might go for the $5 wrench instead ;-)
[21:34] <greeter> lol true enough
[21:34] <greeter> well with me it's just one computer that is 11 years old in an old house with nothing valuable in it. not worried about intruders physically accessing the machine
[21:35]  * greeter wonders why there's a copy of the fedora 13 live cd in his home directory
[21:36] <Meris> greeter, if your / is on the same physical drive as your /home partition, why not go for a hard-link for that config-file and that cron-job?
[21:37] <greeter> i'm not all that smart when it comes to linux :-S
[21:37] <Meris> greeter, man ln
[21:37] <greeter> ooh two more documents that need to be backed up
[21:39] <greeter> should save my resumes and cover letters. i might need to waste hard drive space someday
[21:39] <melodie> phillw "KVM (using virt-manager). Totally open source. " : I don't have any KVM capable cpu on my machines
[21:39] <Meris> Gibarian, did you choose your nickname in honour of the cyber specialist featured in the movie Solyaris (1972)?
[21:40] <phillw> melodie: ah well, it was worth a try!
[21:40] <melodie> phillw is it faster than vbox?
[21:40] <Gibarian> Yes, I did :-P
[21:41] <Gibarian> I'ts my favorite novel
[21:41] <Meris> Gibarian, ah, by Stanislaw Lem ! Yes, an absolute classic indeed :-D
[21:42] <phillw> melodie: depends on faster.... kvm is built into the kernels so needs no added stuff. I started out with vBox but learned about kvm on a training course. It's what I use as default now, but do still have vBox for times when people have questions about it.
[21:43] <melodie> phillw ok
[21:43] <greeter> ok i think i have everything backed up now
[21:43] <greeter> i can install new software from the command line with sudo apt-get right?
[21:43] <melodie> Meris what about the gtk-warnings and so? Have you found what "eats" your battery life and how to handle it?
[21:43] <melodie> "<Meris> On top of that, it eats through my battery life at an alarming rate. "Something" is clearly looping, leaking memory and performing a lot of unneeded opcodes on the way..."
[21:43] <Meris> melodie, it is normally faster, but it has no GUI. That's why it might take a little longer to become comfortable with.
[21:44] <melodie> Meris I'll see if one day I have a kvm capable cpu
[21:44] <Meris> melodie, not yet. Nothing out of the ordinary shows up in ps or top.
[21:44] <Meris> melodie, whcih cpu do you currently have?
[21:44] <Meris> whcih => which
[21:48] <phillw> Meris: it has a nice GUI.... virt-manager :)
[21:49] <melodie> Meris hover above the icon "machine": http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/305/builds/55590/testcases/1302/results
[21:49] <melodie> this is on a Dell
[21:49] <Gibarian> Yes Meris, it is indeed :-)
[21:49] <melodie> and there is a T30 with Pentium 4 with 1.86 Ghz
[21:50] <melodie> the machine I am using to talk here has more power
[21:50] <melodie>  AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 260 Processor
[21:50] <Meris> T30's are nice machines, but they are getting a bit old indeed...
[21:50] <melodie> but no KVM in the flags i the amd II X2
[21:51] <Meris> no, alas
[21:51] <melodie> Meris yes, so I use it to demonstrate the GNU/Linux distros
[21:51] <melodie> and have children play on light edu games on it one a while too (it's a strong machine)
[21:51] <ianorlin> what part of panel is failing?
[21:52] <Meris> melodie, my newest machine has a Haswell Hexacore i7 chip with integrated graphics HD4400
[21:52] <melodie> the keyboard is in qwerty and we need azerty, but I'm used to have it mapped to azerty and else I can plugin a keyboard
[21:52] <melodie> is hexacore 6 cores? :p
[21:52] <Meris> ianorlin, are you talking to me? In that case, it's the Desktop Pager that's failing
[21:53] <Meris> melodie, yes 6 corres, paired with 8GB of RAM. Plenty for my for school latop ;-)
[21:53] <Meris> corres => cores
[21:53] <melodie> Meris are you student or teacher?
[21:54] <Meris> melodie, you should be able to select which keyboard yu are using, using the keyboard widget
[21:54] <Meris> melodie, actually both. I'm a student of informatics and a trainer at my work.
[21:55] <phillw> melodie: we had a very recent update for keyboards with 13.10. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard#Keyboard_mapping_for_13.10_and_beyond
[21:55] <ianorlin> yes sorry was afk reading up
[21:56] <Meris> melodie, we mostly use Linux at work, but there are also a few people using a Mac(Book). No Windows, except for testing within a sandboxed virtual machine running on a stand-alone machine.
[21:59] <melodie> Meris I am used to azerty and using qwerty is for me an intellectual exercise, I have no wish to learn qwerty
[21:59] <melodie> and I mostly don't need to look at the keyboard while typing
[22:00] <Meris> melodie, Azerty should be selectable from within the greeter, it's called French keyboard layout.
[22:00] <greeter> hmm?
[22:00] <phillw> melodie: is the azerty keyboard not listed? I only know of qwerty and dvorac
[22:00] <Meris> melodie, you might be using Canadian or Belgian layout, it can't hurt to try.
[22:00] <melodie> I don't understand what you do not understand
[22:01] <melodie> the T30 has a qwerty keyboard: I could not find an azerty for it, so I just map it to azerty
[22:01] <greeter> i don't understand why my nick was mentioned :-S
[22:01] <melodie> Meris I don't use canadian or belgium layouts, I use fr with oss variant
[22:02] <Meris> melodie, oss? what does that stand for?
[22:02] <melodie> no idea
[22:02] <melodie> it allows me to do this:
[22:02] <melodie> Œ œ Æ æ
[22:02] <melodie> and also:
[22:02] <melodie> →
[22:02] <melodie> ↑
[22:03] <melodie> ↑↓
[22:03] <melodie> À
[22:03] <melodie> Ç
[22:03] <melodie> …
[22:03] <Meris> melodie, ah, AltGr Deadkeys I presume.
[22:03] <melodie> AltGr and also AltGr+Shift
[22:04] <Meris> melodie, wow, that's a lot of choices :-)
[22:05] <melodie> ÆæÂâ¢€ÊêÞþŸÿÛûÎîŒœÔôä„ßËë‚‘¥’ÐðÜüÏïĿŀĿÖĿ
[22:05] <melodie> quite a lot
[22:05] <melodie> “«”»®©← ↑↓→¬…×⋅÷−
[22:05] <melodie> :D
[22:05] <greeter> ok wish me luck, going to install lubuntu now. bbl
[22:05] <melodie> greeter good luck
[22:06] <greeter> thanks melodie. i'll either be back thanking you all for your help or cursing the day i thought i could do something intelligent :-P
[22:06] <Meris> melodie, not sure about the proper name for that variant. Try selecting French Keyboard layout and selecting AltGr Deadkeys on the advanced settings,. That should work just fine.
[22:06] <Meris> greeter, fingers crossed here,
[22:06] <greeter> same here lol
[22:06] <phillw> melodie: would be so kind as too look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/LanguageSupport It's a long time since it was written and will most likely need updating :)
[22:07] <melodie> I can look
[22:08] <melodie> phillw it seems correct as far as I remember (not long ago)
[22:09] <melodie> phillw about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard#Keyboard_mapping_for_13.10_and_beyond
[22:09] <melodie> lxkeymap was not working, or not anymore, is that right?
[22:14] <Meris> melodie, greeter, Nice having you here (please be sure to greet phillw as well when he has recovered from the time-out). I need to sleep now.
[22:31] <melodie> phillw !
[22:31] <melodie> Meris> melodie, greeter, Nice having you here (please be sure to greet phillw as well when he has recovered from the time-out). I need to sleep now.
[22:31] <melodie> melodie> phillw about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard#Keyboard_mapping_for_13.10_and_beyond
 lxkeymap was not working, or not anymore, is that right?
[22:37] <melodie> phillw ?
[22:42] <phillw> melodie: ??
[22:43] <melodie> ah
[22:43] <melodie> phillw read above please?
[22:43] <phillw> the mapping of keyboards has been changed, Pierre was kind enough to send a set of instructions. If they do not work, i really do need to know!
[22:44] <melodie> this is what I have used in Ubuntu Openbox Remix since : http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/Configurations/System/usr/share/applications/keyboard-configuration.desktop
[22:44] <melodie> not only used but provided. this is the safe way so far
[22:45] <melodie> the Bento Village version (name of the project) has been provided only as a Desktop version, it's a very modest project, at same time it is provided as a "all languages" version, not localized to French for instance.
[22:46] <melodie> what has changed in the mapping of keyboards ? Is that the reason why lxkeymap was not working anymore?
[22:48] <phillw> melodie: " lxkeymap application is no longer installed by default,"
[22:49] <phillw> hence the addition to the wiki and release notes.
[22:51] <melodie> well this I have read, and what about former versions who would like to use a gui app?
[22:52] <melodie> (I'll read your answer a little later)
[22:52] <phillw> melodie: nothing has changed for the older versions... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard
[23:36] <melodie> hi again
[23:37] <melodie> phillw this does not answer my main question. this would be a lead to my question: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lxkeymap&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[23:37] <melodie> lxkeymap is still available, but, does -it- work?
[23:37] <melodie> in the latest spin I had done it didn't work at all, no effect
[23:41] <melodie> never mind, good night