[12:38] <BluesKaj> "morning folks
[12:52] <penguin42> " hey
[18:03] <bjsnider> is anyone running xchat-gnome in unity?
[18:46] <penguin42> so +1 is Trusty? Trusty what?
[18:46] <IdleOne> !trusty
[18:47] <penguin42> well, at least Tahr is easy to type as well
[18:49] <penguin42> hmm, I'd never heard of a Tahr
[18:55] <BluesKaj> one wouldn't expect anyone to have heard of them , some obscure animal that hides out in the Himalayas , who knew ? :)
[18:55]  * penguin42 wonders if they're tasty
[18:56] <wilee-nilee> everything is better in a curry
[18:58] <penguin42> I didn't know about the ubuntu-distro-info command  for getting lists of versions
[18:58] <BluesKaj> some lil furry in a curry , not my taste'
[18:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: The Tahr looks more substantial
[18:59] <penguin42> not that I curry
[19:00] <BluesKaj> a rodent , penguin42 ?
[19:00] <penguin42> BluesKaj: No, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahr
[19:01] <penguin42> ah yeh, it's a goat
[19:02] <BluesKaj> never eaten goat
[19:02] <penguin42> me neither, but I believe it's not uncommon
[19:02] <BluesKaj> and I'm not a venison fan either
[19:04] <BluesKaj> tasted rabbit once , bit it was a domestic white species , it was ok , all dressed up like chicken with lots of garlic
[19:06] <BluesKaj> everyone was oohing and awing about how good it was ...the taste went right past me
[19:07] <alkisg> Hi, before trusty alpha1, how can I try it? Install 13.10 and change sources.list?
[19:07]  * alkisg can't find any daily builds...
[19:08] <penguin42> bit eager aren't you?
[19:08] <alkisg> As a dev, not as a user... :)
[19:09] <penguin42> does do-release-upgrade -d   do the trick yet?
[19:12] <alkisg> No idea, I'm on 12.04 currently, looking for which CD to download for trusty
[19:14] <penguin42> alkisg: I think if you really want bleeding then install saucy and try a do-release-upgrade -d
[19:14] <alkisg> Ty, will do
[19:14] <penguin42> alkisg: But I'm not sure if that's ready yet
[19:18] <IdleOne> toolchian doesn't usually get uploaded until right after UDS
[19:19] <IdleOne> at this point changing the sources.list would do it, but there is nothing in the repos to upgrade to.
[19:19] <IdleOne> All this is at your own risk of course
[19:20] <alkisg> Ah, so that's the "Toolchain Uploaded" step in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule .... thanks!
[19:21] <IdleOne> right
[19:22] <BluesKaj> there's no point doing the release u-upgrade -d
[19:22] <BluesKaj> err release-upgarde
[19:22] <BluesKaj> either :)
[19:22] <IdleOne> alkisg: I feel I should give you another warning. You should do this on a machine/partition you don't need to be 100%
[19:23] <BluesKaj> gotta change the sources list a this point and update and upgrade
[19:26] <alkisg> IdleOne: I was thinking about installing it to a dedicated partition that I have for that, but then I remembered the issue with the bricked intel NICs, some filesystem corruptions etc so I'll probably do it in a VM for now...
[19:26] <IdleOne> vm would be a safe place to play in
[19:28] <penguin42> yeh, do release-upgrade -d doesn't work yet
[19:30] <alkisg> Another question, is BTRFS ready for non-mission-critical systems, or is it too early for it? /me could really use its snapshotting features...
[19:30] <penguin42> alkisg: I've got btrfs on an opensuse system, it's not doing badly just on my basic opensuse install - it does have one or two oddities
[19:31] <alkisg> penguin42: at some point I was reading about fsck missing, is that still the case?
[19:32] <penguin42> alkisg: I don't think so but haven't needed it - the problem I hit is the default setting has some limit on the number of hardlinks somewhere that broke imagemagick, there is an option to fix it though
[19:33] <alkisg> Thanks - I think there are only a few hardlinks on my usual ubuntu installation, so I don't think I'll hit that issue
[19:33] <alkisg> As long as compression + snapshots are working, I don't mind about fsck too much either
[19:33] <penguin42> it was really more of an example of stuff that's not quite there yet
[19:35]  * penguin42 wonders why virt-manager/qemu gives this new vm a 2360x1770 virtual display - a little big
[19:35] <penguin42> for my 1920x1080 monitor
[19:35]  * alkisg prefers -vga vmware, gives a better default resolution
[19:36] <penguin42> yeh it seems to have defaulted to vmvga, I normally use spice
[19:40] <BluesKaj> sudo sed -i 's/saucy/trusty/' /etc/apt/sources.list , will update the sourec.list to trust tahr , but like IdleOne mentioned , there isn't much there to upgrade to.
[19:40] <BluesKaj> er trusty tahr
[19:45] <alkisg> Meh the "can't type english if I select the greek language" issue I reported 2 years ago is still there... :(
[19:46] <bekks> alkisg: Hmm, what do you expect "selecting a language with a totally different charset" to do instead?
[19:47] <alkisg> bekks: it broke with lightdm, it used to work fine from hoary to lucid
[19:47] <penguin42> bekks: Totally different is probably over expressing it for Greek?
[19:47] <alkisg> Greeks use alt+shift to switch between greek/english
[19:47] <alkisg> Otherwise we can't even surf
[19:51] <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1051288
[19:51] <alkisg> ...and 3-4 similar bugs a year before that one...
[19:56] <bekks> penguin42: Greek doesnt use the same character set as english - so it is "totally different", I think :)
[19:58] <alkisg> Isn't Unity really really slow on VMs? I open the dash, type something, and have to wait for seconds before I see what I typed...
[19:58] <alkisg> Would enabling 3d acceleration in vbox help?
[20:00] <bekks> Installing the guest additions will help
[20:25] <penguin42> alkisg: In KVM it's reasonably responsive - not speedy, but not that slow