[00:06] <ronj> hello again. Got no answer yet to my "Half of keyboard shortcuts don't do anything" problem on #gnome-shell, but one friend of mine just upgraded and has the problem too.
[00:39] <bjsnider> problem is this is not a good time to be asking questions in there
[00:48] <bjsnider> weather extension now updated and working with 3.10
[02:21] <bjsnider> looked into totem 3.10.1 a bit
[02:21] <bjsnider> it requires a new totem-pl-parser, which in turn requires a new libsoup. the latter is already built in debian, and builds fine here too, so no big deal
[02:22] <bjsnider> but pl-parser still has a ftbfs due to a gensymbols error
[02:22] <bjsnider> and even if that wasn't the case i don't know if that's enough to get totem past the configure stage
[02:22] <bjsnider> i did refresh the patches for it
[08:37] <lain_> test
[08:37] <lain_> hi
[09:29] <rubiotel> hola...¿algien que hable español?
[09:47] <trolo> hi
[09:48] <trolo> has anyone problems with online accounts?
[10:54] <wondering> hello..
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[14:17] <octane> hey, somebody can tell me what is the live session user password? I want to try the gnome classic session
[14:30] <zero1> hello all, I recently installed ubuntu-gnome 13.04, yet when I run screenfetch it lists my DE as Unity 7.0.0 (I also had to turn off amazon search, etc) is this normal or did I somehow end up with an ubuntu installation from an ubuntu-gnome iso?
[18:42] <phillw> nadrimajstor: you about?
[18:44] <nadrimajstor> phillw: I'm really bad at multitasking... Please, lead me in to you quiestion.
[18:44] <phillw> nadrimajstor: :) is this you? https://launchpad.net/~ipejic
[18:45] <nadrimajstor> phillw: correct... that is me :)
[18:45] <phillw> I'm just updating our mirror areas on the wiki and wish to credit you with your mirror for us :)
[18:49] <phillw> nadrimajstor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#Mirror_Sites Thanks for being a mirror :)
[18:49] <nadrimajstor> phillw: That is as at least I can do... I'll do more when I find where I do fit the best... For now I'm trying not to be annoying :)
[18:51] <phillw> mirroring is always a great way to help. Doesn't take much time to maintain, but does make a difference to the smaller teams who do not have as many torrent seeders (more so for lubuntu as we have so many versions!)
[18:51] <nadrimajstor> phillw: Could you make one small change?
[18:52] <phillw> nadrimajstor: I can, or you can edit any wiki page!
[18:52] <nadrimajstor> phillw: set url to http://ubuntu-cdimage.nadrimajstor.com/lubuntu/releases/saucy/release/
[18:53] <nadrimajstor> phillw: I can edit any page... B-)
[18:53] <phillw> nadrimajstor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#Mirror_Sites that okay for you?
[18:54] <nadrimajstor> phillw: great work...
[18:54] <phillw> feel free to poke me for wiki stuff. It's not actually scary!
[18:56] <nadrimajstor> phillw: s1 sub-domain might change... however I will make sure that ubuntu-cdimage sub-domain is always correct.
[18:57] <phillw> nadrimajstor: okies... same as I hold all mine under http://phillw.net/isos/ that way, we all know the root for them :)
[18:59] <nadrimajstor> phillw: and when you want to move them to another server, you have to do http redirect?
[19:00] <phillw> nadrimajstor: as my dedi server has been around for a while, I do not expect ever to lose my domain name. Should that happen, I'll just alter the DNS records :)
[19:02] <phillw> I was offered a much cheaper deal; but it would have meant losing my 10 ipV4 addresses which other teams use. It took only a few seconds to decide against that.
[19:03] <phillw> (I did have to check with my sponsor; and their decision was also made in seconds :) )
[19:04] <nadrimajstor> phillw: Hetzner.de have a biding system for older unused dedicated servers... When a price droped to 20EUR/month I could not resist to buy one. :D
[19:08] <nadrimajstor> phillw: I've purchased domain just try bitcoin and privacy policy of some Island ISP :D
[19:08] <phillw> that's cheaper than mine, but I could only switch to cheaper if I surrendered all of my ipV4's.
[19:08] <phillw> they are now worth a lot more than what I paid for:)
[19:09] <nadrimajstor> phillw: Well... In the package I got only one IPv4 address... for every additional one I will have to pay 1.5EUR/per IP
[19:10] <phillw> that's the going rate, mine are 1GBP / month from two split RIPE blocks I managed to get before they were all gone. I wanted a 3rd block, but missed out.
[19:14] <nadrimajstor> phillw: nice part was, IPv6 block is included in to the price... And to my surprise, third of the torrnet traffic is v6...
[19:17] <phillw> I have thousands of ipv6 :) them pesky ipv4's are getting harder to find :D
[19:18] <phillw> nadrimajstor: to say yes to the invite!
[19:18] <phillw> *do say yes*
[19:56] <shay> hi.
[19:57] <shay> gnome 3.8 and xkb are wrecking havoc on my bilingual keyboard. Can anybody help?
[20:00] <ronj> shay, hi. I do customize my QWERTY xkb keyboard layout for a few French characters and run 3.8 just fine so maybe I can help, go ahead
[20:01] <ronj> BTW, following up on my "Shell 3.10 from gnome3-next PPA causes system keyboard shortcuts to partially fail": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1242423 . Can anyone reproduce this?
[20:01] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1242423 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Shell 3.10 from gnome3-next PPA causes system keyboard shortcuts to partially fail" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[20:01] <shay> ronj, thanks.
[20:01] <shay> I'm using bilingual us,il keyboard, which I (used to) switch with alt+shift
[20:02] <shay> 'setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,il"' did the trick
[20:02] <shay> but in Ubuntu Gnome 13.10/Gnome 3.8, the change of keyboards is erratic. The only thing that does change for sure is the keyboard status indicator
[20:02] <shay> the layout itself only sometimes. I can't figure out when it does (switching windows seem to help)
[20:03] <shay> switching using the keys set in the keyboard settings work, but I can't set alt+shift there.
[20:03] <shay> and using setxkbmap or gnome-tweak-tool breaks as described.
[20:04] <shay> Looking at setxkbmap -print, it looks like it got reset -- the "+il" disappers from the xkb_symbols line
[20:04] <shay> ideas?
[20:07] <ronj> ouch, no
[20:07] <ronj> what prevents you from using keys settable in the keyboard settings panel?
[20:09] <shay> ronj, you can't set alt+shift there
[20:09] <shay> and after 15+ years of alt+shift, I don't think I could get used to anything else :)
[20:09] <shay> I just don't know what process is changing xkb settings
[20:11] <shay> Hmm.. every time I press alt+shift (after a manual setxkbmap) I find a line
[20:11] <shay> XKB: resue xkmfile /var/lib/xkb/server-somethingsomething in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[20:19] <shay> solved it (I hope)
[20:20] <shay> removed the input-sources from dconf. no indicator on screen, but keyboard seems to work
[20:20] <shay> could live with that
[20:27] <ronj> :)
[20:28] <ronj> shay, glad to know I was a good rubber-duck for your problem :P http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/rubber-duck-problem-solving.html
[20:32] <jstressman> any easy way to be able to browse for the wallpaper I want?
[20:33] <jstressman> (I'm not moving anything into different folders so the functionality lacking wallpaper chooser can find them.)
[20:33] <shay> ronj, I don't have a rubber duck. Too old fashioned. I keep a small Cpt. Kirk doll at work.
[20:33] <shay> So you're my Cpt. Kirk ;)
[20:34] <bjsnider> jstressman, just use nautilus, right-click set as wallpaper
[20:37] <jstressman> bjsnider: *sigh* thanks. (I knew about that route, I was hoping there was something less counter-intuitive. You know, actually having a useful wallpaper selector instead of a worthless one that makes you use your file system browser instead.) :P
[20:37] <jstressman> hrm... doesn't really work well anyway... sets it on 2 of my 3 monitors. :/
[20:37] <jstressman> third is still blank.
[20:38] <jstressman> (be nice to be able to set a single image to span all 3 as well...)
[20:38] <jstressman> heh... when I go into overview mode, or whatever that's called... I can see it on the 3rd monitor then, but it disappears again when I go back to normal.
[20:40] <bjsnider> jstressman, you might want to bring these issues up on gimpnet #gnome-shell
[20:41] <jstressman> bjsnider: okee doke. I'm much much happier with Ubuntu Gnome than with Unity, don't get me wrong. ;) Just still frustrated with some stuff. thanks for the tips.
[20:41] <bjsnider> gnome 3 is not a finished product at all. stuff is getting added and tweaked and so forth with every release
[20:41] <jstressman> not sure how much of an improvement 3.10 is over 3.8 either.
[20:42] <jstressman> so I don't know what's been fixed in the latest releases etc.
[20:42] <bjsnider> which one are you running?
[20:43] <jstressman> I believe 3.8 comes with Ubuntu Gnome 13.10, correct?
[20:43] <jstressman> I'm running stock 13.10 on here.
[20:43] <bjsnider> haha
[20:44] <bjsnider> 3.10 adds a feature to backgrounds where it looks for pictures on your system
[20:44] <bjsnider> exactly what you want
[20:44] <bjsnider> i just checked
[20:44] <jstressman> (my other install was actually an older Ubuntu that I tricked into not having any of Unity by installing a command line Ubuntu from netinst I think it was... then adding X, and then Gnome 3 from a PPA. Eventually it thought it was Ubuntu Gnome, but it was buggy because it wasn't really.)
[20:44] <jstressman> nice :P
[20:45] <jstressman> I wonder how soon 3.10 will make it into an official release, or if I'd have to run a separate PPA or something?
[20:45] <bjsnider> seb128 suggested keeping 3.8 in 14.04
[20:46] <bjsnider> so it could be 12 months from now
[20:46] <jstressman> :'(
[20:46] <jstressman> are they going to port in parts of 3.10, or just stick with 3.8 across the board?
[20:47] <bjsnider> stick to the safest option i suppose
[20:47] <bjsnider> they're just talking about it nopw
[20:47] <jstressman> gotcha.
[21:04] <clepto> Hello! I'm interested in development. Can someone give me more info? Like what language do you use for a start
[21:33] <ronj> Skype refuses to output any sound since I upgraded to 13.10, am I the only one here? PulseAudio is selected in the options, I tried switching the input in the Sound settings applet, nothing helps. I'm about to ask #alsa or #pulseaudio, any other suggestion?
[21:37] <jstressman> decided to live dangerously... upgrading everything to gnome 3.10 as we speak.
[21:50] <ronj> fyi a PulseAudio update breaks the current Skype 4.2 in some way but there is a workaround: http://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/No-sound-or-crappy-sound-on-Kubuntu-13-10/td-p/1839659
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