[00:50] <Ojzcroc> I put ubuntu touch on my Nexus 4; however, when I tried to connect to wifi, the wifi password wasn't prompted, and it wouldn't connect. Does anyone have any idea why, or how it can be fixed?
[01:34] <JasonFelice> Ojzcroc: I just did this but I don't remember.  Maybe you have to go to settings?
[01:35] <Ojzcroc> I tried going to settings; it still wouldn't prompt
[01:35] <Ojzcroc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#A.2BIBw-Wi-Fi.2BIB0_screen_of_System_Settings
[01:35] <Ojzcroc> this thing tells you how to do it, but one of the buttons they tell you to press is nonexistent on my phone's setting
[01:35] <Ojzcroc> this thing tells you how to do it, but one of the buttons they tell you to press is nonexistent on my phone's settings
[01:36] <Ojzcroc> it says "press other network", but my phone has no such option
[01:36] <JasonFelice> Oh, you don't see the network in the network list?
[01:37] <Ojzcroc> I do see the network; the tutorial says that under "other network" you can type the name of the network, and also the password, since it wouldn't prompt for the password
[01:38] <JasonFelice> Hrmm.  Let me try to join a different network and see what happens for me.
[01:39] <Ojzcroc> ok
[01:39] <JasonFelice> If I pull down the network list from the status bar and I tap on a different network, it prompts me for the WPA password and gives me a 'Cancel' and 'Connect' button.
[01:39] <Ojzcroc> Mine just ticks the box
[01:39] <Ojzcroc> and doesn't prompt
[01:40] <Ojzcroc> this was on the list of bugs, but they said they'd fixed it
[01:40] <Ojzcroc> maybe i'll reboot the phone and try again
[01:40] <JasonFelice> The box stays ticked?  Are you sure you don't have network?
[01:40] <Ojzcroc> yep, i tried using the browser
[01:40] <Ojzcroc> says it can't connect
[01:40] <Ojzcroc> i'll reboot
[01:43] <Ojzcroc> now it won't reboot
[01:44] <Ojzcroc> now it will
[01:45] <Ojzcroc> but it still cannot connect
[02:11] <JasonFelice> Ojzcroc: You're on build 100?
[02:12] <JasonFelice> By the way, I just wrote this: "Goodbye, iPhone" http://objvimmer.com/blog/2013/10/19/goodbye-iphone/
[02:15] <Ojzcroc> I don't know how to check the build number
[02:17] <Ojzcroc> the OS option under "about phones" in settings says "Ubuntu 13.10 (r100)"
[02:17] <Ojzcroc> not sure if that's helpful
[02:18] <JasonFelice> That is... it's the same build I have.  And I have a Nexus 4, too.
[02:18] <JasonFelice> r100 is the build number.
[02:18] <Ojzcroc> ok
[02:18] <Ojzcroc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1230320
[02:19] <Ojzcroc> I found this
[02:19] <Ojzcroc> but it says the problem was fixed
[02:19] <JasonFelice> There's several different kinds of wifi authentication and encryption mechanisms.  I wonder if Ubuntu Touch doesn't support yours?
[02:20] <JasonFelice> Do you have access to the wi-fi settings?
[02:20] <Ojzcroc> WEP encryption
[02:21] <Ojzcroc> that's what the router webpage says
[02:21] <JasonFelice> Hrmm.
[02:22] <JasonFelice> What are the options?  Mine asked for WPA password.
[02:22] <JasonFelice> I know WPA and WPA2 are authentication mechanisms.
[02:23] <Ojzcroc> what do you mean by options?
[02:23] <JasonFelice> I just found this: "The Wi-Fi Alliance intended WPA as an intermediate measure to take the place of WEP pending the availability of the full IEEE 802.11i standard."
[02:24] <Ojzcroc> hmm
[02:24] <JasonFelice> So, I guess WPA supersedes WEP, and WPA2 supersedes WPA.  So if you can configure your router for WPA, maybe it works?
[02:24] <Ojzcroc> maybe
[02:24] <Ojzcroc> worth looking at
[02:25] <JasonFelice> I'm completely just guessing, by the way.  I'm just starting to use Ubuntu Touch myself.
[02:25] <Ojzcroc> I might ask the person who said they fixed the bug
[02:26] <Ojzcroc> also, do you find that your keyboard won't work in landscape? or is that just me?
[02:27] <JasonFelice> How do I install QtTest?  And also make autopilot work?  Anyone?
[02:33] <JasonFelice> Ojzcroc: My keyboard works in landscape.
[02:34] <Ojzcroc> damn.
[02:34] <JasonFelice> My biggest problems are apps hanging, the lock screen hanging.  I can usuall reboot it.
[02:35] <JasonFelice> Ojzcroc: English keyboard?
[02:35] <yahoo> JasonFelice, are you on nexus 4 ?
[02:35] <JasonFelice> Yes
[02:35] <yahoo> oh ! i thought only Gnex had problems
[02:36] <yahoo> Keyboard has issues in terminal app. it wont show once closed.
[02:36] <JasonFelice> The apps hanging thing seems app-specific.  Just my intuition.
[02:36] <JasonFelice> yahoo: I just saw that a little bit ago, but was able to wake it up.  Forget how.
[02:37] <JasonFelice> The lock screen happens if I swipe spastically to unlock it.
[02:37] <yahoo> swipe lock screen towards left
[02:37] <JasonFelice> I can get it into a slightly-unlocked state that freezes and not be able to unlock it.
[02:37] <JasonFelice> Last time, I received a text, and whipped the phone out of my pocket and tried to swipe to unlock in one motion,
[02:38] <JasonFelice> ended up throwing my phone on the carpet and half-unlocking it.  Had to reboot.
[02:38] <yahoo> Its dead slow on Gnex but i can still use.
[02:38] <Ojzcroc> JasonFelice: English keyboard
[02:56] <yahoo> ..
[02:57] <yahoo> anyone up
[03:00] <JasonFelice> ooh me!
[03:01] <JasonFelice> Not that I can help anyone :)
[03:02] <yahoo> ha
[03:02] <yahoo> just wondering, how high end games will be developed for ubuntu touch. in QT ?
[03:16] <JasonFelice> yahoo: I bet in C++ with Qt's OpenGL widget.
[03:17] <JasonFelice> I did some iPad games for Blue Frog Gaming.  We used a layer on top of OpenGL ES called Cocos2d, which was nice.
[03:17] <JasonFelice> Though I'd love to write another game framework, because I don't see any that deal with state in a nice way.
[03:28] <Ojzcroc> I reinstalled ubuntu touch, the wifi still won't work. I sent a message to the people who said they fixed the bug in build 89.
[03:43] <Ojzcroc> I tried both the messaging app and the terminal app, neither work in landscape
[04:16] <ashu11> Hi
[04:16] <ashu11> how is ubuntu touch working on nexus 4
[04:17] <ashu11> is it worth going for ?
[04:17] <pinPoint> it was shiate on my galaxy nexus
[04:17] <pinPoint> honestly I don't think it should be labeled stable... :/
[04:18] <ashu11> thanks pinPoint
[04:18] <pinPoint> you can try it too
[04:18] <pinPoint> touch uses cwm so you can backup/restore fast
[04:18] <ashu11> i heard it can not be connected to monitor to run it as pc for now.
[04:18] <ashu11> is it so >
[04:18] <ashu11> ?
[04:18] <pinPoint> no idea
[04:19] <ashu11> i mean , on our galaxy nexus, did you try connecting monitor, i am not sure if monitor can be connected to galaxy nexus somehow.
[04:19] <ashu11> didnt read about its specs
[04:21] <ashu11> well i will check that out, and i would surely have given it a try, had i own a nexus 4.
[04:21] <ashu11> thing is i ll have to buy one for so.
[04:31] <anders3408> ashu11:  ubuntu touch on nexus 4 runs pretty good so far :)
[04:38] <ashu11> thanks anders3408 , does it connect to monitor at this stage ?
[04:39] <anders3408> ashu11:  im not 100 % sure about that one :)
[04:39] <ashu11> no prob anders3408 , thanks again :) i ll search for it.
[04:40] <anders3408> ashu11:  this might be usefull for you : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArLs7UPtu-hJdDZDNWliMmV1YUJ3Zk1pQlpDdGp4VFE&usp=sharing#gid=0
[04:40] <anders3408> its the status on the nexus builds :)
[04:41] <anders3408> bt and mms and pin/puk and Haptics is the only WIP , rest is perfect
[04:41] <anders3408> oh gyroscope isnt started yet
[04:41] <anders3408> and same with sensor fusion ?
[04:42] <anders3408> (not sure what that means)
[04:42] <anders3408> im only working on getting ubuntu touch up for oppo find5 :)
[04:49] <mpgrimes> is it possible to import google contacts? now that there is a more stable version of touch out i would like to give it a try
[04:53] <mpgrimes> finally found it. nvm
[05:50] <SuperTeece> hi
[05:51] <SuperTeece> I'm around 29 hours in on a Nexus 4
[05:51] <SuperTeece> anyone else actively using the OS?
[06:00] <arunkumar413> hi, i need the ubuntu touch api documentation
[06:01] <iBM> can anyone give me screen shots from a working ubuntu on phone? or any video?? I want to observe the user experience before I proceed with installing it on GNex
[06:09] <SuperTeece> iBM I shot a video tonight
[06:10] <SuperTeece> working post production now.. it'll be up on youtube.com/superteece
[06:10] <iBM> alright
[06:10] <iBM> hows the experience in general?
[06:10] <SuperTeece> it's OK
[06:11] <iBM> I am expecting fast and more visuals...
[06:11] <SuperTeece> it's pretty fast
[06:11] <SuperTeece> not as many visuals as I was expecting
[06:11] <iBM> compared to  jelly bean??
[06:11] <iBM> you have Gnex or nexus 4?
[06:11] <SuperTeece> I don't get the animated lockscreen.... if it's included at this point
[06:11] <SuperTeece> Nexus 4
[06:11] <iBM> ok, I have Gnex
[06:12] <SuperTeece> Ohh, it doesn't touch JB at this point... but you can feel the potential
[06:12] <iBM> it will lag on GNexus,
[06:13] <SuperTeece> I read there's a bit of a memory issue on the Galaxy Nexus... but it IS officially released for it
[06:13] <iBM> yeah, so hoping it to be better,
[06:13] <iBM> will try it in a day or two
[06:15] <SuperTeece> it'll get there
[06:15] <SuperTeece> it needs apps
[06:15] <SuperTeece> web apps just aren't where it's at
[06:16] <SuperTeece> we need developers :)
[06:16] <iBM> :)
[06:16] <SuperTeece> I just am not one...
[06:16] <SuperTeece> we really need the major social media sites to release apps
[06:17] <SuperTeece> getting facebook, twitter, instagram, G+ (all google actually)is over half the battle to having a viable OS IMO
[06:19] <iBM> does it support Maps and navigation for now?
[06:21] <SuperTeece> yes
[06:21] <SuperTeece> lightly
[06:21] <SuperTeece> the GPS auto turns off
[06:21] <SuperTeece> the only map is a web app
[06:21] <SuperTeece> I haven't tried navigation but the map did locate me
[06:24] <iBM> navigation support is there, or you didn't try as you said?
[06:27] <SuperTeece> I was able to geolocate with GPS... I have not tried to enter an address to navigate to.
[06:28] <SuperTeece> I saw my location on a map, I did not try anything further
[06:29] <iBM> ok
[06:29] <SuperTeece> I'm going to run it for a week
[06:31] <iBM> ok, please also check if it supports nevigation ,
[06:31] <SuperTeece> will do
[06:32] <iBM> anyone knows if there is dual boot support, Android/Ubuntu?
[06:33] <iBM> means both can be kept in parallel?
[06:33] <SuperTeece> I haven't looked into it yet, however, tey were planning that for the Edge.
[06:48] <SuperTeece> Exporting my review video now... it'll be up on my channel tomorrow
[06:56] <ghanashyam> hi, is there a way to sync google contacts into ubuntu phone
[06:58] <marko> hi
[07:12] <ghanashyam> hi
[07:12] <ghanashyam> ping?
[07:12] <ghanashyam> is there any activity here?
[07:13] <ghanashyam> trying to sync google contacts to ubuntu phone
[07:13] <ghanashyam> wanted help here
[07:22] <nhaines> ghanashyam: use 'adb shell' to connect to your phone from your computer, then type 'su -iu phablet'
[07:22] <nhaines> Then, you'll type 'syncevolution --configure --sync-property "username=email@gmail.com" --sync-property "password=secret" Google_Contacts', filling in your contact info, of course.
[07:22] <ghanashyam> my device just crashed and not booting up again
[07:22] <ghanashyam> not even into recovery
[07:22] <nhaines> Then just run 'syncevolution --sync one-way-from-server Google_Contacts addressbook' until it's finished syncing contacts.
[07:22] <ghanashyam> mine's a galaxy nexus :) so figuring out hwo to get back nowo
[07:23] <nhaines> ghanashyam: pull the battery, wait 5 seconds, replace the battery, and then hold the power button down for 4 seconds.  Should work. :)
[07:23] <ghanashyam> :) wow let me try that
[07:24] <ghanashyam> there is a lot of slowness that i experienced with this ubuntu image
[07:24] <ghanashyam> kinda terrible
[07:24] <ghanashyam> other problem was with the keyboard layout
[07:24] <ghanashyam> doesn't have $ etc keys
[07:24] <ghanashyam> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[07:24] <ghanashyam> will this solve the keyboard layout issue?
[07:26] <nhaines> ghanashyam: the keyboard does have $ keys?
[07:26] <nhaines> ghanashyam: what layout are you using?
[07:26] <ghanashyam> i booted into ubuntu - and i checked that the $key isn't present
[07:26] <ghanashyam> on the keyboard
[07:27] <nhaines> It is present.
[07:27] <nhaines> What layout are you using?
[07:27] <ghanashyam> how do I change the settings for the keyboard
[07:27] <ghanashyam> no idea how that's accessed - Aaaaaaand it crashed again
[07:27] <nhaines> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Keyboard
[07:35] <ghanashyam> i just did a google contact sync but turns out only a few contacts were synced up
[07:35] <ghanashyam> not all
[07:35] <ghanashyam> i could say not most
[07:35] <ghanashyam> from my previous phone list
[07:36] <ghanashyam> i was on CM mod and had a lot of contacts sycned to google
[07:36] <ghanashyam> but when i synced now on ubuntu phone, looks like i have lost a lot of contacts
[07:50] <nhaines> ghanashyam: did you run it multiple times like I said, or did you run it only once and received only 50 contacts?
[07:51] <ghanashyam> oh yes just once.. am trying multiple times now
[07:52] <nhaines> ghanashyam: when I reread my instructions, I was less than clear about that--I assumed something from the instructions I was updating.
[07:52] <nhaines> So sorry about that.
[07:53] <ghanashyam> so is it that it just picks up 50 contacts at once?
[07:53] <nhaines> Yup.
[07:54] <ghanashyam> any way to reduce the font size :)
[07:54] <ghanashyam> its huge huge
[07:55] <nhaines> They're all coded as part of the SDK.
[07:57] <ghanashyam> so we ll have to figure that out?
[07:57] <ghanashyam> and insert into that image?
[07:58] <ghanashyam> or is it available in the image?
[07:58] <nhaines> I expect that 1) it's in the Ubuntu QML themes and 2) changing it would break everything.
[07:59] <ghanashyam> :)
[07:59] <ghanashyam> secondly how to i close running apps - is my phone real slow or may be the memory is being hogged?
[08:01] <nhaines> ghanashyam: in the Applications Lens, long-press an app thumbnail, then tap the Close icon that appears.
[08:01] <nhaines> It's probably just Mir being sluggish.  It clears up after a few minutes and stays pretty fast after that for the most part.
[08:06] <ghanashyam> i wanted to install xda forum app that it suggest -and it redirects me to login to ubuntu accounts
[08:06] <ghanashyam> and it takes me to cellular
[08:06] <ghanashyam> why's that? so
[08:06] <ghanashyam> i can't find where to login to ubuntu one
[08:14] <nhaines> ghanashyam: it's in System Settings > Accounts
[08:15] <tvoss> nhaines, maguro or mako?
[08:16] <ghanashyam> maguro
[08:16] <OrokuSaki> Wonder if this would help reverting my media codecs xml https://github.com/milaq/android_device_hp_tenderloin/commit/4a498d46fce9daa16f32631c8dc9b7ebbf5f15d5
[08:16] <ghanashyam> sorry if it wasn't for me
[08:16] <nhaines> tvoss: on maguro.
[08:17] <tvoss> ghanashyam, nhaines so 101 has performance improvements for Mir if you feel adventorous :9
[08:17] <ghanashyam> wow! my phone was a little slower but now its picking up
[08:17] <ghanashyam> not sure how - but i closed some apps that were running
[08:17] <ghanashyam> link please - for performance improvements
[08:18] <nhaines> tvoss: I installed it, but I haven't had time to play with it yet.  I did notice that my music player mutes (but doesn't pause!) if I turn off the screen without Mir.
[08:18] <nhaines> ghanashyam: System Settings > Update
[08:18] <ghanashyam> okay
[08:18] <nhaines> tvoss: is there anywhere to find out what changed in 101?
[08:18] <tvoss> nhaines, let me find the changes pages
[08:19] <nhaines> tvoss: thanks!  :)
[08:20] <ghanashyam> Can't find System Settings
[08:20] <nhaines> Where are you looking?
[08:20] <ghanashyam> got it
[08:21] <ghanashyam> i am just getting accustomed
[08:21] <OrokuSaki> going to terminal and typing top helps for cpu usage
[08:21] <OrokuSaki> seeing what process is using the most power
[08:21] <ghanashyam> great suggestion:)
[08:21] <OrokuSaki> =)
[08:21] <OrokuSaki> found out the hard way myself
[08:21] <tvoss> nhaines, ghanashyam for maguro specifically, we will land performance optimizations over the next week
[08:22] <OrokuSaki> release a rom for people.. and.. oh hey.. systemd is using all the power.. neat
[08:22] <tvoss> point is that the gpu driver is dated and does not support the hardware compositor 1.1 interfaces as defined by android
[08:22] <nhaines> tvoss: that is good news.  :)
[08:22] <OrokuSaki> had to add accept4 to my kernel.. as I am on 2.6.35
[08:23] <tvoss> ogra_, you around? if so, I remember that you curated some changelogs for images in the past. Do you still do that?
[08:23] <tvoss> nhaines and ghanashyam would be quite interested
[08:23] <OrokuSaki> Ogra is not usually online during the weekend
[08:23] <nhaines> Hmm, that's such a shame.  It runs beautifully in Android 4.3.  I'd have expected some sort of updates there (I know the Android kernel used for this project is older.)
[08:24] <OrokuSaki> nhaines.. it should be possible to downgrade, no?
[08:24] <OrokuSaki> with the sources
[08:24] <nhaines> OrokuSaki: downgrade what?
[08:24] <OrokuSaki> confused nevermind.. thought your device was cm10.2 only... =)
[08:24] <ghanashyam> I think i will need to install Terminal app - or is it inbuilt?
[08:25] <OrokuSaki> it's built in
[08:25] <nhaines> ghanashyam: where are you looking for applications?
[08:25] <OrokuSaki> find the carrot ^
[08:25] <OrokuSaki> by applications
[08:25] <ghanashyam> home button
[08:25] <nhaines> They're not there.
[08:25] <ghanashyam> the ubuntu home and it shows just browser and gallery and stuff
[08:25] <nhaines> Swipe to the left (move right) to the Applications Lens.
[08:25] <OrokuSaki> swipe to the right where the click apps are
[08:25] <OrokuSaki> or.. yeah
[08:26] <tvoss> nhaines, it's less about the kernel, more about the specifics of the graphics driver. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with it, just that we need to optimize for its specifics
[08:26] <OrokuSaki> Wish the codecs were working...
[08:26] <OrokuSaki> Sooo want to watch a video
[08:26] <nhaines> tvoss: Well, I'm glad you guys are doing that.  I know it doesn't scale.
[08:27] <OrokuSaki> I noticed.. 14.04 started
[08:27] <OrokuSaki> *trusty*
[08:27] <tvoss> nhaines, scale as in optimizing for every single gpu? yes, fully agreed. But maguro is still an interesting device, so let's see
[08:27] <ghanashyam> got it - but does it just list
[08:27] <ghanashyam> i did a" search" from the left top
[08:27] <ghanashyam> search bar once i was in applications
[08:27] <nhaines> tvoss: I can only troubleshoot and report bugs.  So I'm happy for all the development work done for it.  :)
[08:27] <OrokuSaki> find the carrot ^
[08:28] <nhaines> I don't know what "does it just list" means.
[08:28] <OrokuSaki> nhaines: you with canonical... sweet
[08:28] <tvoss> nhaines, thanks for your efforts, quite important to have as  many eyes as possible on the system :)
[08:28] <nhaines> OrokuSaki: I'm an Ubuntu project member.
[08:28] <OrokuSaki> good enough
[08:29] <nhaines> tvoss: Oh well, if I were a developer over the last 8 months I'd probably have a *lot* more gray hair than the couple I have hiding now. :)
[08:29] <OrokuSaki> Do you know if 13.10 will continue to receive hybris updates or should I switch to development version?
[08:29] <ghanashyam> like ANdroid
[08:29] <tvoss> nhaines, ;)
[08:29] <nhaines> Reminds me, I need to file a bug against Terminal for its default directory.
[08:29] <ghanashyam> is there an Applications window where it lists all the applications?
[08:29] <nhaines> ghanashyam: yes, the Applications Lens.  It works exactly like Ubuntu 13.10 on your desktop.
[08:30] <OrokuSaki> I have to edit a qml file for the keyboard to be correct... for the terminal.. I have to take it out of side stage
[08:30] <OrokuSaki> and I am pretty sure my device thinks I am a phone.. as unity seems to be chosing the phone background
[08:31] <OrokuSaki> guess I should grep for form_factor or something
[08:32] <ghanashyam> i am still not sure about the keyboard layount
[08:32] <ghanashyam> it doesn't include the $
[08:32] <nhaines> ghanashyam: yes it does.
[08:32] <ghanashyam> but where?
[08:32] <OrokuSaki> we need a "Hacker keyboard" option
[08:32] <nhaines> Second symbol layout.
[08:33] <ghanashyam> oh got it
[08:33] <ghanashyam> never used such a layout
[08:33] <nhaines> It's pretty close to the way Android does it.
[08:33] <ghanashyam> swift key on android :)
[08:34] <ghanashyam> so not a AOSP keyboard user
[08:36] <ghanashyam> wow ! am liking it now
[08:36] <ghanashyam> i was on data enabled connection for internet  till now
[08:36] <ghanashyam> i switched to wifi and seems like a hell of it is just moving - not sure how
[08:37] <OrokuSaki> onboard
[08:37] <ghanashyam> the keyboard still sucks most time..
[08:37] <ghanashyam> it just doesn't pop up
[08:39] <nhaines> OrokuSaki: Ubuntu 13.10 uses ubuntu-keyboard, a maliit fork, not onboard.
[08:39] <OrokuSaki> yep...
[08:39] <OrokuSaki> I like onboard. =)
[08:39] <ghanashyam> whats onboard?
[08:40] <OrokuSaki> Ubuntu Desktop onscreen keyboard
[08:40] <ghanashyam> you install that on the phone?
[08:40] <OrokuSaki> works well with touchegg
[08:40] <OrokuSaki> =)
[08:41] <OrokuSaki> I like the color and look of onboard I guess.. more then maliit
[08:41] <OrokuSaki> Maybe that can be changed in a qml?
[08:41] <ghanashyam> can you please elaborate
[08:42] <ghanashyam> i am having tough time with keyboad loggin into to accounts etc
[08:42] <OrokuSaki> looks like this  http://nfgk.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/onboard.png?w=764
[08:43] <OrokuSaki> 13.04 onscreen keyboard is.. well.. ugly =)
[08:44] <OrokuSaki> Still my favorite.. http://www.mobileburn.com/media/palm/touchpad/page_browser_2011-11-07_174233.jpg
[08:47] <nhaines> tvoss: no luck finding changelogs?
[08:47] <tvoss> nhaines, nope, sorry. best to wait for ogra_
[08:47] <OrokuSaki> Anyways.. you can tell.. I think we should have a color option for a darker keyboard
[08:48] <OrokuSaki> something more... manly...
[08:48] <OrokuSaki> we really need different themes?? OR is that in the final and I just don't know it...
[08:49] <OrokuSaki> Like the developer preview and the different users that had different themes at the login
[08:49] <OrokuSaki> I really liked that darker look that one user had
[08:53] <nhaines> tvoss: okay, thanks for looking. :)
[09:12] <arunkumar413> what is the syntax for a button
[09:13] <ghanashyam> what is the rlease with performance improvements /
[09:14] <ghanashyam> devel ? or devel-proposed
[09:14] <ghanashyam> or devel-customized?
[09:18] <kmt5150-xdadev> I have successfully rooted and downloaded the stock .img firmware files for the samsung galaxy mega. sgh-i527 baseband I527Ucuamh1. When can ubuntu be ported to that?
[09:20] <tarelerulz> What devices do you officially support?
[09:31] <kmt5150-xdadev>  theres a list on the site, tarelerulz
[09:32] <arunkumar413> I'm using qt creator to create apps. but the build menu is grayed out
[09:36] <nhaines> ghanashyam: standard channel, build 101.
[09:38] <ghanashyam> i just used   phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --no-backup
[09:38] <ghanashyam> for installation
[09:39] <ghanashyam> can i upgrade this - Using check updates in System settings said not updates
[09:39] <ghanashyam> i want to keep the settings and logins that i just added and on top of that upgrade the system
[09:39] <ghanashyam> is that possible? nhaines
[09:39] <KuleshD> http://goo.gl/Rd75qO        можно ли этот девайс потянуть ubuntu?
[09:47] <Gyula> hello
[09:48] <Gyula> i am installing ubuntu phone now :)
[09:48] <Gyula> on my phone i saw a message ... autodeploy.zip not found... what does it means?
[09:48] <tarelerulz> What is the  phone Gyula ?
[09:48] <Gyula> galaxy nexus
[09:48] <nhaines> ghanashyam: Not sure.  You'll have to see what build you're on.
[09:49] <nhaines> Gyula: it means be patient, because it's sending the files, just as it says in your terminal window.
[09:49] <Gyula> but is looks like no problem, now i see the android bot :)
[09:49] <nhaines> ghanashyam: The on-phone updater only updates to images that have been verified as working and stable by Ubuntu developers.
[09:49] <ghanashyam> Gyula
[09:50] <nhaines> Gyula: great.  :)
[09:50] <Gyula> nhaines: yes :)
[09:50] <ghanashyam> there's no problem
[09:50] <ghanashyam> wait for it
[09:50] <ghanashyam> it takes quiet a while to flash and boot !!
[09:50] <Gyula> legen wait for it dary :)
[09:50] <nhaines> Gyula: It's a lot of data and phone flash memory is slow.  :)
[09:50] <ghanashyam> nhaines so how do I flash a r101 ?
[09:50] <Gyula> i can't wait :)
[09:50] <ghanashyam> i dont want to lose what ever I did till now
[09:51] <ghanashyam> with all the customization - though not much
[09:51] <nhaines> ghanashyam: System Settings > Updates
[09:51] <ghanashyam> didnt' help much
[09:51] <nhaines> That's the answer anyway.
[09:51] <nhaines> Run 'adb shell system-image-cli -i' and check what build you're on.
[09:52] <ghanashyam> but why would it show no software available
[09:52] <ghanashyam> if r101 is available?
[09:52] <nhaines> I can think of lots of reasons.
[09:52] <ghanashyam> so can't i force it to r101?
[09:52] <nhaines> But we don't even know what you're running on your phone and you refuse to check.  :P
[09:52] <ghanashyam> the About Phone shows r100
[09:53] <ghanashyam> i did check
[09:53] <ghanashyam> and it doesnt update
[09:53] <ghanashyam> i am still on r100 (13.10)
[09:54] <nhaines> ghanashyam: well, you can always try -c devel-proposed, I guess.
[09:54] <nhaines> It'll save everything except your timezone and installed apps.  'phablet-flash ubuntu-system -c devel-proposed'
[09:54] <ghanashyam> ummm
[09:55] <ghanashyam> let me try that right away
[09:56] <ghanashyam> hopefully it won't ruin my sycned contacts :)
[09:58] <nhaines> Nope, saves those.  :)  And if it didn't, at least now know you know how.  :)
[09:58] <tarelerulz> Do you have to sync from a  file or can you use  Google?
[09:58] <nhaines> I should probably find a dull fork and fight someone at Canonical to update the Release Notes.
[09:59] <tarelerulz> have any of you used it on a Tablet?
[09:59] <nhaines> tvoss: are you still around?  Can we get some Google contact sync info in the release notes if I write the steps?  The blog post linked to is out of date.
[10:05] <Gyula> may i ask something? How can I use my galaxy nexus (after install :) ) like a desktop on my monitor?
[10:09] <Gyula> aprox. how log is this install?
[10:09] <successus> salud/bye bye
[10:11] <arunkumar413> whys is  the build menu is disabled in qt creator
[10:17] <nhaines> Gyula: desktop mode (also known as "convergence") has not been developed and is planned for Ubuntu 14.04 or 14.10.
[10:18] <Gyula> ouch :(
[10:18] <tarelerulz> Can you sync your contracts from Google?
[10:18] <nhaines> tarelerulz: yes, using the instructions in the release notes.
[10:19] <OrokuSaki> Any reason why grouper and manta haven't had a report lately? http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/
[10:21] <nhaines> OrokuSaki: they're not the target for Ubuntu 13.10, I imagine.
[10:21] <Gyula> ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way. :/ Now what can i do?
[10:22] <nhaines> Gyula: just wait for the update to finish.  It should still be fine.
[10:22] <Gyula> on the phone i see Ubuntu update complete.
[10:23] <OrokuSaki> I thought you guys targeted 4 devices? manta, grouper, mako and maguro
[10:23] <OrokuSaki> grouper is the nexus 7
[10:24] <Gyula> nhaines: on the phone Ubuntu update complete. and a question  ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix? this cannot be undone.. and there is a lot of no answer and one yes disable recovery andf a go back
[10:27] <Gyula> i choosed yes... now it is rebooting :)
[10:28] <Gyula> nothing happend :(
[10:34] <arunkumar413> what is  the best resource to lean about developing apps for ubuntu touch
[10:36] <Gyula> nhaines: now i cant go into recovery mode as well :( I see only a charging white battery :(
[10:38] <melvster> is it possible to write an app for your phone without putting it through the market place?
[10:39] <w-flo> melvster, yes, but I think it's only possible via command line right now
[10:40] <melvster> w-flo: ok thanks
[10:40] <w-flo> something like "pkcon local-install filename.click" as the phablet user IIRC
[10:40] <w-flo> or rather install-local... whatever :)
[10:42] <Gyula> anyone can say something good for me? :(
[10:43] <w-flo> Gyula, flashing your device failed? are you sure recovery doesn't work anymore? if so, I think the correct thing to do is using fastboot to reflash the recovery. Don't take my word on it though
[10:44] <hamed> any ways for i9300 yet?
[10:46] <melvster> when i run a terminal ... some keys on the keyboard dont press ... is that a known bug, or is it just me?
[10:55] <Gyula> w-flow: I let my phone charging for a while, then a removed the usb cable, and the battery, then i put it back and it is working :) I see ubuntu phone.. it is a little bit slow, and new for me but i keep trying to know it better :)
[10:55] <Gyula> thank you for the help!
[10:55] <Gyula> now i have to levae see you later
[10:55] <Gyula> bb
[10:55] <w-flo> Gyula, great! :)
[11:11] <melvster> how do you actually install new apps on the touch?
[11:11] <melvster> i used to have the 'apps recommended for you' section but cant find it now
[11:14] <w-flo> melvster, maybe your internet connection is down?
[11:14] <melvster> w-flo: i got net
[11:14] <melvster> i can see weather and stocks etc.
[11:14] <melvster> i guess im used to the 'google play' button ... trying to find the touch version ...
[11:15] <w-flo> there's just the "recommended" app section right now.. maybe try a reboot. seems like a bug
[11:17] <melvster> i have recent apps / installed / dash plugins
[11:17] <w-flo> melvster, wait.. same for me
[11:17] <w-flo> maybe canonical server issues? :D
[11:24] <w-flo> now the recommended section is back (after I rebooted)
[11:26] <jesus_gascon> Can I fix shine in my nexus7? Even when I increase shine, after some secons, it lows again to it lower level
[11:27] <Guest72756> anyone able to tell me if mobile data is working on ubuntu touch yet?
[11:27] <Guest72756> or still wifi only?
[11:28] <w-flo> Guest72756, works for nexus4 (for some providers at least)
[11:28] <Guest72756> using the samsung galaxy nexus atm
[11:29] <w-flo> Guest72756, is that a maguro (officially supported)? It might work
[11:30] <w-flo> jesus_gascon, it seems like the "disable autobrightness" feature is not implemented yet :(
[11:30] <Guest72756> yeah, it is w-flo
[11:30] <Guest72756> could always give it a shot
[11:30] <w-flo> Guest72756, I think mobile data is supported on nexus4 and galaxy nexus
[11:31] <Guest72756> Might reflash it again then and have a mess around :)_
[11:31] <Guest72756> email client been done yet do you know?
[11:31] <w-flo> Guest72756, you might need to add APN config for your provider... I won't be able to help you with that, good luck :)
[11:31] <w-flo> Guest72756, no mail client yet (other than gmail web app)
[11:32] <Guest72756> apn config is on my providers website so shouldn't be too bad :)
[11:33] <Guest72756> thanks for the replies w-flo
[11:33] <jesus_gascon> ok thanks w-flo
[11:33] <w-flo> Guest72756, yeah, but I don't know where to put the APN config :D
[11:33] <Guest72756> oh :-P
[11:33] <w-flo> google might tell you
[11:43] <gregoryfenton> Hi all, installing ubuntu on galaxy nexus. How long should it take at the "waiting for install to finish on device" stage?
[11:45] <gregoryfenton> The answer is "slightly longer than you had patience for", it just moved to the next step :P
[11:52] <tarelerulz> To someone who is not into Linux , Why would you tell them to chose Ubuntu touch
[11:54] <gregoryfenton> Wouldn't you be better showing them ubuntu touch and getting the feel of it, if they like it then they have done the job for you :)
[11:55] <melvster> tarelerulz: it's a better UX with all the edges of the screen used ... ive shown mine to non linux people and they like it
[11:55] <melvster> of course it let's you have complete control of your device too ... and does not track you
[11:56] <tarelerulz> That is cool point for me.  I rock Ubuntu on my computer and rock Android roms and now stock on note 3.   For the normal person
[11:57] <melvster> tarelerulz: one other feature people seem to love is that you can have your phone and desktop the same OS, so you'll be able to dock your phone one day and you wont need a home PC
[11:58] <tarelerulz> That is cool feature.  That is one Android is missing for sure.
[11:58] <melvster> phone / desktop / tablet / tv / server etc.
[11:58] <melvster> laptop
[11:59] <melvster> in 1-2 years phones will be as powerful as laptops
[11:59] <tarelerulz> I  was at an at&t store and looking at the windows Tablet.  I asked if they sale well and the guy said not at all.
[12:00] <melvster> i wanna get a nexus 7 and 10 and put touch on it
[12:01] <tarelerulz> It seem like most people don't care if they can do more .   Android and Iso don't do as much as full pc.  The hardware don't limit this .
[12:05] <tarelerulz> To me it realizing different uses.  A mobile computer is not used the same as  Desktop or laptop.  I think Ubuntu see that mobile is what people are going to be use  so make the os for mobile device
[12:07] <nukleuz> Hi! Installed the new release on my Galaxy Nexus (takju, gsm). It's still lagging a lot. Almost useless when 2-3 programs running in the background. Is this normal?
[12:09] <gregoryfenton> same for me nukleuz. Does your camera app flash when you use it?
[12:11] <melvster> i get a bit of lag on my nexus 4 but it's not a huge problem for me ... nexus 5 im hoping will be lag free
[12:25] <nukleuz> gregoryfenton: Yes, it does flash. Several times.
[12:26] <nhaines> nukleuz: it's normal.  Over the next week, they'll be improving performance on the Galaxy Nexus (the codename is actually maguro).
[12:26] <nukleuz> Could it be the bugs in MIR, which could be solved? Or is just «the nexus» to old and slow for this software? :p
[12:26] <nhaines> You can install build r101 from System Settings > Update now.
[12:27] <nukleuz> I know its maguro, but takju is the GSM, and yakju (CDMA) i think?
[12:27] <nhaines> Mir isn't spelled MIR, and the issue isn't bugs in Mir, it's driver performance issues on maguro.
[12:27] <nhaines> Correct, but takju/yakju doesn't have a performance difference on Ubuntu 13.10.
[12:29] <nhaines> melvster: when you build a click app, you can install it on the phone using 'click install foobar'
[12:31] <nhaines> Guest72756: mobile data works fine on maguro, but it doesn't switch back on when a wifi connection drops.  I've been able to get it working again by turning off wifi and then turning off celluar data and turning it back on again.
[12:33] <nhaines> melvster: when you build a click app, you can install it on the phone using 'click install foobar'
[12:38] <melvster> nbaines: thanks!
[12:47] <melvster> how do you actually uninstall an app?
[12:52] <melvster> ah click and hold
[13:47] <danieled> hi
[13:56] <roman12> Hi. Any idea why taking screenshots via adb isn't working? I run the command "adb pull /tmp/screenshot.png ./screenshot.png" and it just hangs...
[14:43] <ag-3d> how to install it on Xperia Z tablet?
[14:52] <danieled> i want me too install it on another phone
[14:52] <danieled> but i dont know how to do it
[15:08] <ghanashyam> tried ubuntu and first impressions - its very very SLOW
[15:08] <ghanashyam> so now, i want it on my phone but only if its faster -
[15:08] <ghanashyam> any one tried dual boot yet with CM?
[15:09] <a_muva_> i'm using nexus 4 and its fast
[15:11] <a_muva_> the only thing I'm missing is spreadsheet application
[15:13] <a_muva_> danieled:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:13] <a_muva_> ag-3wd: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:34] <ashu11> hey...
[15:35] <ashu11> Can someone please tell if ubuntu touch is gonna support nexus 5
[15:37] <ashu11> Anyome please
[15:43] <ghanashyam> a_muva_:  really?? is it as fast as CM?
[15:44] <ghanashyam> i mean its dead slow for me - either I am doing it wrong or my Galaxy Nexus just does support Ubuntu much or Ubuntu is not optimized for Nexus
[15:45] <ogra_> ghanashyam, it is, but the gnex has a few driver bugs that need to be shaken out ... if you flash from the devel-proposed channel, there is alsready one fix waiting that makes it act a little smoother
[15:45] <ghanashyam> i am currently on r101 with devel proposed
[15:46] <ogra_> ashu11, i dont see why not, if someone from eth community wants to make a port
[15:46] <ghanashyam> and the missing apps list is a turn off for me
[15:46] <ogra_> ah, them you already have the first fix
[15:46] <ogra_> there is more to come
[15:47] <ghanashyam> I want to experience this improvement with further builds but can't wait until then - so considering a dual boot
[15:47]  * ogra_ doubts that will work 
[15:47] <ghanashyam> I have the CM nandroid backup but has any one tried dual boot with CM
[15:47] <ghanashyam> is there any stats app which puts in responsiveness etc ?
[15:47] <ghanashyam> we could compare the speeds on different devices
[15:48] <ghanashyam> and check what's happening with different people installing Ubuntu on their phones.
[15:48] <ghanashyam> is there stats tracking site?
[15:48] <ogra_> there are various tools ... but there arent many different installs of the actual image yet
[15:48] <ogra_> i.e. only nexus4 and maguro
[15:50] <kv102t> Hello all
[15:50] <kv102t> anyone know if this can go on a Galaxy S3
[16:04] <kv102t> anyone know if this can go on a Galaxy S3
[16:06] <nexus4_windows> Hello Guys
[16:06] <nexus4_windows> someone here?
[16:06] <nexus4_windows>  i need your help :P
[16:07] <nexus4_windows> noone online?
[16:07] <kv102t> fire.
[16:08] <nexus4_windows> How can in install Ubuntu Phone on my Nexus 4 under windows 8?
[16:08] <nexus4_windows> Is there a possibility
[16:09] <kv102t> sorry i havn't tried
[16:09] <kv102t> yuo backed up. just go for it
[16:09] <kv102t> lol
[16:10] <nexus4_windows> sry what?
[16:10] <nexus4_windows> just copy the image to the phone?
[16:10] <kv102t> what step you on?
[16:11] <nexus4_windows> 0
[16:11] <nexus4_windows> Where can i find the image?
[16:11] <kv102t> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone?mkt_tok=3RkMMJWWfF9wsRoluajKZKXonjHpfsX56e4sXqKxg4kz2EFye%2BLIHETpodcMTsJkMa%2BTFAwTG5toziV8R7DDKs1l1cMQWBLn
[16:11] <nexus4_windows> ty
[16:12] <kv102t> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install
[16:13] <nexus4_windows> cant find the image
[16:13] <nexus4_windows> ubuntu uses this command
[16:13] <nexus4_windows> phablet-flash ubuntu-system --no-backup
[16:13] <nexus4_windows> but i need the "image" "raw"
[16:14] <kv102t> get ubuntu live CD
[16:14] <OrokuSaki> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gst-plugins-bad1.0/+bug/1234722
[16:15] <nexus4_windows> lol
[16:15] <nexus4_windows> cant do it with out ubuntu?
[16:16] <ashu11> does anyone know when wud the nexus 5 be releasing
[16:16] <a_muva_> nexus4_windows:  This process will not work if you have just flashed with "ubuntu-system" variant as that's a read-only filesystem. You can make the filesystem read/write using adb shell touch /userdata/.writable_image and then adb reboot. If you used the "cdimage-touch" variant, this doesn't apply, just carry on with the instructions
[16:17] <nexus4_windows> a_muva_: i want to install it under windows.. i dont have ubuntu
[16:17] <OrokuSaki> Running an Android Application in a WebOS Card.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byNlLNQV2mQ
[16:17] <OrokuSaki> I will be buying this for the webos side... hear it will be 30 dollars
[16:18] <OrokuSaki> Would be cool if.. Ubuntu Touch could do this. =)
[16:18] <a_muva_> nexus4_windows:  how about virtualbox?
[16:18] <nexus4_windows> i want to try it under windows...
[16:18] <nexus4_windows> where can i  find the image?
[16:20] <a_muva_> nexus4_windows:  not sure
[16:21] <jdstrand> w-flo: re apparmor> can you file a bug with the denial against apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu?
[16:22] <OrokuSaki> wow... http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/324645-pic-kick-starts-touchpad-open-mobile-acl-62.html
[16:22] <nexus4_windows> where can i find the ubuntu phone image?
[16:23] <w-flo> jdstrand, the denial for qtpowerd access? I can do that when I've fix my kernel so I can boot again
[16:24] <jdstrand> thanks
[16:33] <lool> jdstrand, w-flo: Note that we dont want to allow apps to access qtpowerd / powerd
[16:33] <lool> only mediaplayer-app and music-app are exceptions right now
[16:33] <lool> but things out to be done in the corresponding services
[16:34] <OrokuSaki> Just think how cool if someone could write an Android ACL using Hybris for Ubuntu Touch... Result? Instant users. =)
[16:34] <lool> and powerd access to prevent suspend or screen off should not be allowed to apps
[16:34] <OrokuSaki> And you would hit that mark shuttleworth is wanting to acheive.
[16:35] <OrokuSaki> I don't see who among us can disagree... It would work. =)
[16:36] <w-flo> lool, what about a policy group?
[16:36] <OrokuSaki> Those people seem pretty damn excited about running android apps on top of webos.. even though they could just reboot into android.. strange
[16:36] <w-flo> lool, 3rd party music apps are pretty much pointless right now, even when ignoring the fact that you can't leave the app without music stopping :)
[16:40] <pur3bolt> hey guys i've decided to flash ubuntu os to my nexus 4, i was just wondering if it's normal for the device to display a black screen for over 5 minutes after the console boots it into the .img?
[16:43] <jdstrand> w-flo: I know there will be a media service. there is already some code somewhere. so the media service has all these accesses and all the apps (3rd party or otherwise) will just use it
[16:43] <jdstrand> w-flo: (and thus they don't need them)
[16:44] <w-flo> jdstrand, yeah, I've been waiting for that.. :)
[16:44] <w-flo> as a temporary workaround I tried using qtpowerd, which solved part of the problem. But now I can't use that either. So I'll be patient for a while
[16:45] <OrokuSaki> Touchpad is so much cooler then your stupid Nexus.. =) *trolling*
[16:47] <TillScout> Does the Nexus 4 have to be rooted, so I can install Ubuntu?
[17:08] <melvster> TillScout: yes you need to unlock it a per  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[17:09] <melvster> it's pretty easy to install after you do that
[17:12] <TillScout> I did unlock it that way (fastboot oem unlock), but it is not rooted
[17:12] <TillScout> however I have trouble installing Ubuntu Touch
[17:12] <melvster> TillScout: how far did you get?
[17:13] <melvster> i installed my nexus 4 a couple of days ago
[17:13] <TillScout> melvster: I came to the output INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for recovery image to boot
[17:13] <TillScout> the nexus rebooted, but then the screen stayed black
[17:14] <melvster> hmm not too sure on that, maybe someone else here can help ...
[17:15] <TillScout> now I flashed back to android 4.2.2, this time I get into the CWM menu, but then none of the options helps
[17:24] <a_muva_> TillScout: I had to sudo phablet-flash ...
[17:25] <TillScout> a_muva_: yes, I also sudoed, but it did not help
[17:26] <a_muva_> have you tried adb devices?
[17:26] <a_muva_> to see if it's detected?
[17:28] <TillScout> yes, I did, it is properly detected
[17:30] <a_muva_> it says 'device' not 'offline'
[17:33] <TillScout> yes, it says "device"
[17:38] <a_muva_> TillScout: Note, 'adb devices' should not show the device as 'offline'. If it does, unplug the device, run adb under sudo on the workstation (sudo adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server), then plug the device back in
[17:38] <a_muva_> TillScout: so try sudo adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server
[17:40] <TillScout> it does not show "offline", it shows "device"
[17:44] <iBM> hi everyone,
[17:45] <iBM> I'm using windows 7, and want to install Ubuntu on Gnex, I have SDK installed and ADB working fine, and also fastboot is working, I have one question...
[17:46] <iBM> how to revert back to android? if i'm on windows 7? or it doesn't matter, and I can revert from the phone itself?
[18:08] <nedaljo> execuse me how to add arabic keyboard
[18:08] <nedaljo> arabic keyboard , how to add it
[18:10] <nedaljo> execuse me how to add arabic keyboard
[18:12] <nedaljo> execuse me how to add arabic keyboard?
[18:17] <nedaljo> anyone can help how to add arabic keyboard?
[18:32] <bithunter_> hi at all
[18:36] <bithunter_> I' m italian... i have a nexus 7 2012 wifi... i have install ubuntu touch... the question is: the relase is a demo?
[18:42] <Bithunter> Is Ubuntu touch a demo?
[18:53] <nedaljo> anyone can help of adding arabic keyboard
[18:53] <nedaljo> anyone can help of adding arabic keyboard
[18:53] <nedaljo> anyone can help of adding arabic keyboard
[18:53] <nedaljo> anyone can help of adding arabic keyboard
[18:53] <nedaljo> anyone can help of adding arabic keyboard
[18:58] <Alsfar> Hey
[19:00] <Alsfar> Did someone know if ubuntu touch already supports the dock function?
[19:01] <melvster> Bithunter: it's a stable build, but still beta so there may be some bugs
[19:02] <melvster> 'Ubuntu for phones is intended to be used for development and evaluation purposes only. It is an early release that can potentially brick your device. It does not provide all of the features and services of a retail phone and cannot replace your current handset. This is the first release of Ubuntu for phones and it will continue to evolve quickly. Please read the disclaimer as well. This process will delete all data from the device. Restoring Andr
[19:02] <melvster> oid will not restore this data.'
[19:06] <espacial> hi pple
[19:07] <Bithunter> OK... TYou for all
[19:08] <IMTheNachoMan> hey guys. i have nexus 4 but im using cyanogenmod and a different kernel. do i have to do something special to install Ubuntu and/or is there a way to dual boot?
[19:08] <a_muva_> nedaljo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Language_and_keyboard
[19:19] <espacial> I notice that in my atrix, I do not have options of RSD only recovery and fastboot. But on fastbook, with sudo fastboot devices I may see it. Although, with other fastboot command i have no success
[19:19] <espacial> any ideas?
[20:19] <melvster> figured out my issue
[20:19] <melvster> Keyboard does not allow input on the left handside in landscape mode (1236489)
[20:19] <melvster> known bug ... just need to tip it
[20:21] <melvster> ooh ... fix committed ...
[20:23] <melvster> ooh i just raised the bug heat :)
[20:24] <melvster> 'Fixed, but not available until next release.'
[20:24] <melvster> how often are releases ... is it every 6 months, or faster?
[20:25] <nik90> melvster: ubuntu releases are every 6 months
[20:26] <nik90> melvster: you can however use the devel channel to be updated literally every 3-4 days
[20:27] <melvster> nik98: thanks!
[20:27] <melvster> s/nik98/nik90
[20:29] <melvster> nik90: do you know if i use the devel channel, do i need to reflash each time, or does it pull in the changes?
[20:29] <nik90> melvster: you can use the on the air update (OTA) for the update process
[20:29] <nik90> no need to keep reflashing
[20:29] <melvster> great!
[20:30] <melvster> very tempting ... do i dare ...
[20:30] <nik90> melvster: however it is the devel channel, so it can (most likely wont) break but will most likely be fixed asap.
[20:30] <nik90> melvster: there are strict quality control even in devel channels
[20:30] <melvster> oh great!
[20:32] <nhaines> melvster: not true, they do releases every couple of days.
[20:33] <melvster> even better! :)
[20:33] <nik90> nhaines: we are talking about stable official releases eh ... 13.10 was just released..14.04 will be released in April 2014
[20:33] <nik90> ofc the devel image releases happen every few days
[20:33] <nhaines> There should be about a month's worth of updates on 13.10, and after that people will start to be flipped to trusty.
[20:35] <nhaines> nik90: and there's already been one stable official release since 13.10 (r100).
[20:36] <nhaines> melvster: the precise long-term nature of updates should be more defined by the time 14.04 LTS releases, but since it's all image based, they do nightly builds on foobar-proposed and then promote builds that pass all the automated tests every couple of days on foobar.
[20:37] <melvster> nhaines: awesome!
[20:37] <nhaines> For example, everyone's on saucy, and saucy-proposed is still getting updates that eventually make their way to the saucy channel.
[20:38] <nhaines> melvster: this upcoming week should see a lot of performance improvements for maguro.  So that's good for me....
[20:38] <cenor> hey guys
[20:39] <nhaines> hey, cenor.
[20:39] <cenor> i got a problem with the data connection
[20:39] <melvster> nhaines: ah cool, i think i run mako on my nexus 4
[20:39] <cenor> wanted to follow this guide: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx
[20:39] <cenor> but somehow i just can't save the mobile broadband connection
[20:41] <nhaines> melvster: your Nexus 4 *is* mako.  :)
[20:41] <cenor> does someone know a solution?
[20:41] <nhaines> cenor: no, because we don't have any useful information from you yet.  It *should* "just work".
[20:41] <nhaines> cenor: So, what phone are you using, and what is your carrier?  :)
[20:42] <nhaines> (Also, nothing on that page will work anymore.)
[20:42] <tempnexus> Hi. I'm having a problem when manually installing ubuntu touch on a Galaxy nexus. When installing saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip i get E: Error in tmp/update.zip (Status 0)
[20:43] <tempnexus> any ideas here?
[20:43] <nhaines> tempnexus: try using the phablet-flash tool.
[20:43] <tempnexus> nhaines: unfortunately i don't think i can in mac os x
[20:44] <cenor> nhaines: the phone is flashing right now, it's a nex 4, but that should not affect my problem. it's about the guide in the link i sent. It says there I should add a mobile broadband connection ( on my Desktop Ubuntu) and then copy the file to my phone
[20:44] <cenor> but i cannot create such a mobile broadband connection
[20:44] <nhaines> tempnexus: actually, I think you can, because it's in python.  :)  But in that case, make sure you're booted into recovery, and if you have trouble it might be easier to burn an Ubuntu 13.10 DVD and just install from the live session.
[20:45] <nhaines> cenor: 1) of course the phone affects your problem--many phones do not have working radio stacks, 2) nothing on that page works anymore, so I guarantee it will not fix your problem.
[20:45] <tempnexus> nhaines: ohh, then i'll search for the phablet-flash tool. I am definitely in recovery mode. Indeed, as the galaxy nexus doesn't have an sdcard, i'm pushing the 2 zip files through "adb sideload"
[20:46] <nhaines> tempnexus: well that's your problem.  Don't do that.
[20:46] <tempnexus> nhaines: i cannot see any other way to do it. if i push the file through adb, and then reboot in recovery again, the autoupdate.zip is not there anymore
[20:46] <tempnexus> nhaines: how could i do it then?
[20:48] <nhaines> tempnexus: the file still needs to be in /sdcard, which is not pointing to a physical SD card on maguro or mako.  It's a symlink.
[20:48] <FabianCook> Hey guys, is there any official list of things that should be worked on?
[20:48] <cenor> nhaines: ahm on what page ?
[20:49] <tempnexus> nhaines: If i do "adb push xxx.zip /sdcard/autoaupdate.zip" and afterwards "adb shell ls /sdcard/" the file is there. but it's not there after "adb reboot recovery"
[20:49] <tempnexus> nhaines: so the phones says autoupdate.zip not found
[20:50] <nhaines> cenor: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx doesn't work.
[20:50] <nhaines> cenor: it worked when it was written, but hasn't worked since July.
[20:51] <cenor> nhaines: hmm i remember doing it another way. but doesnt matter. just saw that it is working
[20:51] <cenor> not the tut on the site but just so
[20:52] <cenor> nhaines: btw, on the official page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes it says one should use that post ;)
[20:52] <nhaines> cenor: yes, but it is wrong.  Can't get anyone to change it, though.
[20:53] <cenor> ah
[20:53] <FabianCook> No one wishes to reply to me? xD
[20:53] <nhaines> cenor: I'm glad it's working.  Ubuntu doesn't seem to notice when a wifi connection goes down, and doesn't switch back to cellular data automatically.  A reboot (or turnning off wifi, then cellular data, then turning celluar data back on in System Settings) seems to work.
[20:53] <D4rkSilver> FabianCook: nope
[20:53] <FabianCook> Good good
[20:53] <tempnexus> nhaines: sorry, i meant autodeploy.zip. after a reboot, that file is gone from /sdcard/ or /data/media
[20:54] <nhaines> FabianCook: there's always https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-preview   :)
[20:54] <cenor> nhaines: seriously? :D
[20:54] <cenor> hahaha
[20:54] <nhaines> cenor: yeah, it kept popping up after being fixed.  :)
[20:55] <FabianCook> nhaines, thats what I wanted, thanks
[20:55] <FabianCook> nhaines, didn't even think to look there
[20:55] <nhaines> FabianCook: :)
[20:55] <nhaines> tempnexus: I don't think it's supposed to be there after you reboot.  It's supposed to be deployed and then deleted.
[20:56] <FabianCook> nhaines, Im just about to install it on my old gnexus and I have a few days off so I thought I would start out with something useful
[20:56] <cenor> nhaines: developer?
[20:56] <nik90> FabianCook: you can help with reporting bugs or better help with the core apps such as calendar, clock, music which is all developed by the community
[20:57] <FabianCook> nik90, that sounds reasonable.
[20:57] <nik90> FabianCook: if you are comfortable with qml and javascript there are lot of things you can help out with in the core apps
[20:57] <nhaines> cenor: I'm not a developer, I've just been testing heavily for about a month, and keeping up with the dev mailing list.
[20:58] <nik90> FabianCook: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps. It lists all the core apps
[20:58] <FabianCook> nik90, every real developer should be good at js, I am rather good at it however, understand it properly, I work with node a lot which helps.
[20:58] <nik90> FabianCook: I am one the developer of the clock app and we can always use help.
[20:58] <nhaines> FabianCook: I don't know js at all.  :P  Although I'm almost tempted to learn, what with the SDK and all.
[20:59] <nik90> FabianCook: well javascript is more supplementary...we create the UI using QML.
[20:59] <nik90> In the link I pasted above, you can find links to launchpad projects. Take a look at the code and see if you can help out with that
[21:00] <FabianCook> I hadn't even looked into ubuntu touch until today, well not the actual development side at least, ive been meaning to for a while however, was just waiting till I get a new phone before I can get rid of the gnexus as my main
[21:00] <nhaines> nik90: This reminds me I should submit a certain website as a webapp.
[21:00] <nhaines> FabianCook: good idea.  :)  It runs quite nicely as a phone, but there is a definite lack of apps.
[21:01] <FabianCook> nhaines, thats why I was waiting, I didn't want my main to crap out on me (not saying it will with ubuntu touch, just that I would rather android on it)
[21:01] <FabianCook> I am a Android developer by profession so I am use to mobile development as well
[21:02] <nik90> FabianCook: the ubuntu touch is more mainly for developers and early testers. I just started using it as my main phone and I miss certain things such as gmail, Whatsapp etc. But the basic stuff like making/receiving calls, sms, camera, music works
[21:02]  * nik90 wishes someone makes an email app like gmail or something
[21:02] <FabianCook> nik90, Good good, I have a S4 as my main so I am not worrying about features not working atm.
[21:03] <FabianCook> nik90, sounds like something interesting to work on
[21:03] <nik90> FabianCook: glad...let me know if you need more info on what to work on.
[21:04] <FabianCook> nik90, Well, what urgent things need to be done? I would rather do functional things, but I am quite fine with UI
[21:05] <nik90> FabianCook: depends on which project you want work on. There are several core apps like clock, calendar, calculator, music, rss reader being worked on now by the community. So its up to you which project you want to work on. I can then point you to the right people
[21:06] <nik90> FabianCook: we just had the 13.10 release..we will soon be getting new designs for these apps. So they all need help :)
[21:07] <FabianCook> nik90, hmm. I honestly don't know what I want to work on.
[21:07] <nik90> haha
[21:08] <FabianCook> nik90, I have been working with database helpers on Android recently, are there any helpers out there yet? Feel like working on Datastorage xD
[21:09] <nik90> FabianCook: are you familiar with sqlite storage? Like providing the ability to upgrade databases without losing user data?
[21:10] <nik90> that's what we use for local storage of data atm
[21:10] <FabianCook> Hold up, I shall get you a link to my work.
[21:12] <FabianCook> nik90, internet is being a bit slow, think I might move it all down stairs next to the fiber soon.
[21:12] <nik90> no worries
[21:12] <FabianCook> https://bitbucket.org/FabianCCook/dbhelper
[21:13] <FabianCook> Its all SQLite, a bit of an entity framework, still working on it.
[21:15] <FabianCook> nik90, so no one has really worked on databases yet?
[21:15] <nik90> nice..yeah we do something similar with SQLite. We (atleast for the clock app) have resorted to functions which create database and then push data to it
[21:16] <nik90> FabianCook: no all core apps make use of sqlite storage extensively
[21:16] <FabianCook> nik90, Ahh I see, I guess not then.
[21:16] <nhaines> I always love when I post to Reddit, then wake up and my comment karma is much higher and I have 6 replies in my inbox.  I can never remember if I was trolling or being helpful.  :)
[21:17] <nik90> FabianCook: if you want you can take a look at the database used by the clock. I am sure it could use your experience improving it.
[21:17] <nik90> nhaines: lol
[21:18] <nik90> FabianCook: We need an easy way to upgrade the database without disrupting user data. I am not familiar with it and hence am frequently breaking it :)
[21:18] <FabianCook> Hmm. Okay. I shall have a look into it then. Are you dropping the tables or something? xD
[21:19] <FabianCook> nik90, What version of SQLite is included?
[21:19] <FabianCook> 3?
[21:19] <nik90> FabianCook: we use the one provided by QT QML http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qmlmodule-qtquick-localstorage2-qtquick-localstorage-2.html
[21:22] <nik90> FabianCook: one example of our usage can be seen at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/trunk/view/head:/clock/WorldClockModel.qml
[21:22] <FabianCook> -afk- Reading about sqlite in qt
[21:23] <FabianCook> nik90, Just a note, I wouldn't use real to store coordinates...
[21:24] <nik90> FabianCook: see stuff like that :P could do an improvemnet
[21:25] <FabianCook> My job is based around location ;)
[21:25] <FabianCook> nik90, In SQLite when selecting a real number it seems to only select a few decimal places.
[21:26] <FabianCook> Because sqlite doesn't have things like spatial indexes it should be perfectly fine to store it as TEXT
[21:26] <nik90> FabianCook: wouldn't latitude and longitude be accurate within a few decimal points?
[21:26] <FabianCook> nik90, Yes, but when storing it you can loose the accuracy
[21:27] <FabianCook> Ill find you an example
[21:27] <nik90> FabianCook: okay
[21:28] <FabianCook> This is what happens http://i.imgur.com/cWp7D6D.jpg
[21:28] <nik90> ah
[21:29] <zandm7> Hey guys so I have a question regarding Ubuntu Touch on devices besides the Nexuses
[21:29] <FabianCook> you want what ever accuracy the phone spits out
[21:30] <zandm7> "Development" for Ubuntu Touch on my device (Xperia T) has been stagnant for awhile now but on the dev thread for it the installation instructions just have you flash a version of CM 10.1 and then a really old version of Ubuntu Touch from the cdimage website.
[21:31] <zandm7> Would I be able to test Ubuntu on my phone by flashing the latest CM 10.1 and then the latest "saucy" build of Ubuntu Touch Preview from the cdimage site?
[21:31] <nik90> FabianCook: if you want you can submit that as your first fix. otherwise I will fix it after I am done with some stuff I am working on now
[21:31] <w-flo> zandm7, I think you can't do that with "flipped" images
[21:32] <w-flo> zandm7, the most recent "unflipped" image is from july IIRC
[21:32] <melvster> hmmm i wonder how can i tell if openssh is running on my phablet?
[21:32] <zandm7> What is "flipped" and "unflipped"? Sorry I'm kind of a total noob haha :P
[21:33] <w-flo> zandm7, "unflipped" => what your described, booting into CM/Android and then starting ubuntu on top of it. "flipped" is the other way round, so the device boots into ubuntu and then starts a few android services (for drivers etc.) inside a container
[21:33] <nhaines> FabianCook: that image gave me a chuckle.  :)
[21:33] <FabianCook> nhaines,  Why is this?
[21:34] <zandm7> How can I tell if an image is flipped or not?
[21:34] <zandm7> Thanks btw
[21:34] <melvster> im getting 'port 22: No route to host' when trying to ssh ... could it be the openssh isnt running?
[21:34] <nhaines> FabianCook: I've known one or two people for which I would say they wouldn't notice the loss in accuracy on that chart.  ;)
[21:35] <nhaines> melvster: it's not runnong by default.
[21:35] <w-flo> zandm7, any recent image will be flipped.. because unflipped was deprecated a long time ago. those are the only unflipped images available: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/
[21:35] <melvster> nhaines: im following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes
[21:35] <zandm7> So this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip is flipped?
[21:35] <FabianCook> nhaines, Haha. Yeah, I was going to put a kinda bubble around it to show the real accuracy, but couldn't be bothered and fixed it instead
[21:35] <melvster> i did both of 'sudo apt-get install openssh-server and sudo apt-get install ssh'
[21:36] <zandm7> Oh wait that one IS from July.
[21:36] <w-flo> zandm7, everything in "ubuntu-touch-preview" is unflipped (i.e. booting into CM first, then starts ubuntu)
[21:36] <nhaines> melvster: it's out of date.
[21:36] <melvster> nhaines: oh thanks, do i need to run service start or something?
[21:37] <zandm7> Ah. But it is still saucy-based. Is it really deprecated?
[21:37] <nhaines> melvster: because the system is read-only, they installed it but don't activate it.  I think there's a magic file you can touch (like to run Mir or not) that starts it.
[21:37] <nhaines> melvster: it might be easier to run the Ubuntu SDK and activate developer mode.
[21:37] <melvster> nhaines: i already touched the magic file
[21:38] <melvster> nhaines: 'adb shell touch /userdata/.writable_image and then adb reboot'
[21:38] <melvster> oh ok i can do that
[21:39] <w-flo> zandm7, you won't see any updates for those images
[21:40] <nhaines> melvster: that's not the magic file for SSH.
[21:40] <melvster> oh ok
[21:41] <zandm7> w-flo OK I see.
[21:42] <zandm7> What kind of functionality is on the latest unflipped build?
[21:42] <w-flo> zandm7, hmmm.. I don't remember, really. A lot of things have changed since then.. I think they have no click apps, for example (so only preinstalled apps working)
[21:43] <zandm7> Huh. So is it worth testing or no, in your opinion?
[21:43] <nhaines> Not at all.
[21:43] <w-flo> zandm7, nope :)
[21:44] <melvster> nhaines: perhaps /etc/init/ssh.override
[21:44] <zandm7> Haha.
[21:44] <melvster> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04092.html
[21:45] <zandm7> I have another question then: Currently, on the cdimage site, assuming the non-deprecated branch is /ubuntu-touch/, there are no "generic" builds available, only ones for specific devices (mako, grouper, etc.) So how is device-specific development for Ubuntu Touch going to work from here on out? For devices that aren't officially supported, that is.
[21:47] <nhaines> zandm7: If someone commits to building the images and keeps them up to date, they're registered with Ubuntu and then 'phablet-flash community' works.
[21:48] <zandm7> OK I see, thanks nhaines!
[21:48] <w-flo> zandm7, the zips for community-maintained devices are hosted all over the internet, like google drive, dropbox, ubuntu one and other share hosters
[21:48] <zandm7> Thanks w-flo
[21:53] <Ferd> hi
[21:54] <Ferd> i have a quick question.. can I install whatsapp on ubuntu?
[21:55] <w-flo> Ferd, no :(
[21:57] <nickwg> question: my while running the install command, which device connected, usb debugging on, etc, it downloads the image, then tries to reboot the phone, and it goes into the recovery menu, and terminal says waiting for device... is this normal?
[21:57] <Ferd> :( shieeeet.. I've searched on google to find an answer but found nothing and on the ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android website is a whatsapp icon on the picture.. that confused me a little
[21:58] <w-flo> nickwg, yes :) don't touch it
[21:58] <nickwg> oh ok
[21:58] <nickwg> how long does this usually take?  and my phone says fastboot usb, thats good right?
[21:58] <w-flo> Ferd, I think ubuntu for android is not the same as ubuntu touch
[21:58] <w-flo> nickwg, depends on your hardware.. a few minutes at least, and it might take longer
[21:59] <nickwg> so if i have an htc sensation
[21:59] <FabianCook> I think my mission today is to get some DbHelpers written for QML
[21:59] <nickwg> i know its not supported, but i wanted to see if it would work, then i could work off that to make it more usable
[22:00] <nickwg> w-flo, i think ubuntu for android evolved into ubuntu touch
[22:00] <w-flo> nickwg, most likely (I'd say 99.99% :D) it won't work
[22:00] <FabianCook> Anyone wish for a "SharedPreferences" like datastorage option?
[22:01] <nickwg> at what point wont it work, do you think?  I know, dragunkorr made an image, back in march, is there a way to use that and update it to all the changes, maybe?
[22:01] <Ferd> Oh, thanks
[22:01] <FabianCook> nik90, would a simple XML store be more helpful for the clock?
[22:02] <w-flo> nickwg, porting is not the easiest task, you'd have to do a lot of modifications
[22:04] <w-flo> nickwg, even experienced canonical engineers encounter issues when trying to make things work on a selection of 4 devices.. so.. unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time learning things and watching things break, I can't recommend that
[22:05] <nickwg> i know, i looked at the porting page.  i was attempting it myself, but got lost, at the breakfast stage.  It wasn't running the command, further investigation showed it was used when porting CM.  I have CM on my phone lready, that swhat i use, i was kinda hoping that would help... i really really love ubuntu touch and cant wait to use it, so i thought id try tonight to get it somewhat working on my phone
[22:06] <nickwg> w-flo, its still sitting in the recovery menu :(
[22:08] <w-flo> nickwg, it won't work :|
[22:09] <nickwg> what if i install it manually?
[22:09] <nickwg> it sucks having to rely on others to port it... i program php, mysql, html and graphics and whatnot... android portnig is not my thing :(
[22:15] <melvster> anyone know how to run qtcreator apps on the touch?
[22:15] <melvster> the docs say
[22:15] <melvster> Start Qt Creator from the Dash, and select the new Devices tab
[22:15] <melvster> Press the Enable button to activate Developer Mode
[22:15] <melvster> but i cant find that option
[22:15] <melvster> there's a devices inside options, but no enable there
[22:17] <nhaines> melvster: yes, I think that's the one.
[22:17] <FabianCook> nik90, nhaines, this is where it will be: https://github.com/FabianCook/UTouchDbHelper
[22:19] <nhaines> FabianCook: great!  :)
[22:22] <FabianCook> nh
[22:22] <FabianCook> nhaines, I think it should be more storage helpers tbj
[22:22] <FabianCook> tbh
[22:24] <FabianCook> nhaines, nik90, changed it before I did to much on it https://github.com/FabianCook/UTouchStorage
[22:49] <FabianCook> Miss anything?
[23:00] <zhanx> want to install touch on a asus Memo 10
[23:01] <zhanx> not sure where to start
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> zhanx, There is touch and the saucy install as well.
[23:01] <zhanx> link?
[23:01] <zhanx> i am not finding them with my crappy google fu today
[23:01] <wilee-nilee> take a look at the links above not sure though myself on your actual device
[23:02] <zhanx> not listed, so i am waiting on asus support to see if i can get an unlock apk for the device, to go from there
[23:03] <zhanx> will need to setup a build enviro for the tablet and build the image of course but, porting is not my strong point
[23:35] <FabianCook> Moved my computer down stairs.... my wireless on my desktop was a bit shit while I was trying to download ubuntu 13.10. Now I am connected directly to fiber....
[23:35] <FabianCook> http://imgur.com/nkybApD,yw4gEnx#1