[11:10] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9335
[11:10] <brainwash> what a bummer
[11:12] <brainwash> any chance to include the patch?
[14:11] <ran_> i have a problem withe synaptic on 13.10
[14:13] <ran_> when onboard (virtual keyboard) is loaded, and i load synaptic. synaptic crashes.
[14:24] <ran_> if i close onboard. everything is fine, synaptic works properly.
[14:26] <ran_> i have also tried another virtual keyboard (flurance), and synaptic crashed again.
[14:27] <ran_> so there is some strange problem/conflict between synaptic and virtual keyboards.
[18:12] <brainwash> is there any chance to fix bug 1222021 in saucy? there is a patch available, but it did not get accepted upstream
[18:13] <brainwash> basically xfpm still needs some adjustments to be fully systemd/logind compatible
[18:13] <brainwash> otherwise it will stay broken
[18:54] <knome> Unit193, aha?
[18:54] <Unit193> knome: Fine.
[18:54] <Unit193> menu_color_normal=white/black is normal, menu_color_normal=cyan/blue is what you'd get.
[18:55] <Unit193> Also, it says "Ubuntu, with blah", it would say "Xubuntu GNU/Linux, with blah"
[18:55] <Unit193> grep GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR /etc/grub.d/* -C6   to see.
[18:56] <knome> mhm.
[18:56] <knome> could we append "(Xubuntu)" to blah? 
[18:56] <knome> or something
[18:57] <brainwash> kubuntu does simply override the displayed name
[18:58] <Unit193> brainwash: Check the output of that grep command, they get special treatment.
[18:58] <brainwash> but why?
[18:58] <Unit193> Ubuntu|*ubuntu  might work though.
[18:59] <Unit193> brainwash: Maybe back in the day when Kubuntu and Ubuntu were almost equal.
[18:59] <knome> we could look into changing it to that.
[19:00] <brainwash> but ubuntu is the correct term, because you boot ubuntu and then choose the graphical session afterwards
[19:01] <Unit193> knome: Yeah, that proposal works.
[19:01] <Unit193> brainwash: Yep. :P
[19:01] <Unit193> (Still does confuse people, sadly.)
[19:01] <Unit193> brainwash: How does Kubuntu do it anyway?
[19:01] <brainwash> uhm, some extra file which gets sourced by grub
[19:02] <brainwash> I'll check it
[19:02] <Unit193> I used /etc/default/grub.d/xubuntu.cfg
[19:02] <Unit193> brainwash: Sorry, some of this is from OT.
[19:05] <Unit193> Ubuntu|?ubuntu would likely be a better regex to use.
[19:06] <Unit193> (in 10_linux, and 05_debian_theme)
[19:07] <knome> what about ubuntu studio?
[19:08] <Unit193> ?ubuntu* would be too much, wouldn't it?  Edubuntu wouldn't be picked up either, nor would the mythtv one.
[19:09] <brainwash> 50_kubuntu.cfg
[19:09] <brainwash> "# Hijack distributor if it is Ubuntu (default on Ubuntu systems...)
[19:09] <brainwash> "
[19:11] <knome> the first thing we should look at is the social side, not the technical
[19:11] <knome> but feel free to discuss that as well if you fancy
[19:17] <Unit193> knome: Remember what I first said, right?
[19:17] <knome> it doesn't work?
[19:18] <knome> or if you're asking whether i remember your first first word, no you haven't told me that
 Hey knome, one of the pointless Unit193 things, you can put /etc/default/grub.d/xubuntu.cfg in xubuntu-default-settings and have it read GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=Xubuntu for the grub boot screen to say that this is Xubuntu GNU/Linux. :D    (Then linked to http://paste.openstack.org/show/vZVo6rEcgyVOec0lVk9o )
[19:19] <knome> yes?
[19:19] <knome> i seem to be missing something
[19:20] <Unit193> Re: technical/social side of it, it started out as a pointless thing. :P
[19:20] <knome> sure.
[19:20] <knome> but i think it is worth looking at at least briefly
[19:20] <brainwash> wouldn't we need a solution for every spin?
[19:21] <knome> brainwash, naturally that file would be seeded, thus in in every spin
[19:22] <brainwash> which package?
[19:22] <brainwash> the kubuntu one comes with kubuntu-settings-desktop
[19:23] <knome> xubuntu-default-settings or something.
[19:23] <knome> that's the smallest of our worries
[19:23] <brainwash> indeed
[19:30] <Unit193> brainwash: Others can do as they wish, but the regex to include other flavors is the important one.  Kyline is another one that wouldn't get included with either one shown so far. :P
[19:31] <knome> *kylin
[19:34] <Unit193> WOw, closer than I thought.
[19:38] <knome> heh
[21:10] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:10] <knome> hello slickymaster 
[21:10] <slickymaster> hi, knome. Hope everything is fine with you
[21:11] <slickymaster> knome, as I'm not sure if you got to notice it, I did manage last friday to retarget https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/1238718 to xubuntu-docs
[21:12] <slickymaster> knome, https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/191781 at your disposal :)
[21:12] <knome> slickymaster, i did, thanks.
[21:12] <knome> i'll get to that in some time, or at latest next week
[21:14] <slickymaster> knome, no hurries. As I said I wasn't sure whether you saw it or not, that's why I mentioned it now
[21:41] <knome> slickymaster, merged
[21:41] <slickymaster> knome, thanks. You're a gentleman
[21:42] <knome> heh, no problem
[21:47] <brainwash> knome: can I link reports to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-t-flavor-xubuntu or do things need to be discussed beforehand or added to the wiki page?
[21:47] <knome> brainwash, what reports?
[21:47] <knome> brainwash, bugs?
[21:48] <brainwash> small visual improvements
[21:48] <knome> add them in the wiki for now
[21:48] <brainwash> hopefully I won't break the wiki page =S
[21:48] <knome> we can revert if you do...
[21:49] <brainwash> but the wiki page does not link to the actual lp report
[21:49] <knome> (Bug:1234567)
[21:49] <brainwash> well, no entry there does
[21:50] <brainwash> ok
[21:56] <brainwash> knome: do we keep track of the remaining saucy bugs which haven't been fixed before final release?
[21:57] <knome> brainwash, they're mostly linked to the t blueprint
[21:58] <brainwash> so confusing :)
[22:04] <slickymaster> knome, cy tomorrow