=== dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [00:01] Addle: now I'm getting an error, seems it's starting to parse it. I'll play some more from here... thanks for your help! [00:02] amichair: You're welcome :) === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off [00:11] what tools would one use to copy a windows hdd to a new hdd, useing a kubuntu live-cd? I can handle the documentation, I just need the name of the right tool [00:12] Avihay: I use Clonezilla from a bootable DVD. [00:12] I'm a bit lazy to write a clonzila distribution, or is that also a tool? [00:13] Avihay: Just google it. There's .isos available. Pretty painless. [00:14] Avihay: I used the 2.2.0-8 iso they have available. Worked fine. [00:14] Avihay: I use it to make images before I do anything drastic to my system. [00:15] I don't really have a drive to deploy it to [00:15] maybe I'll just burn a cd [00:15] Avihay: Oh, yeah, CD should work too. It's almost certainly small enough to fit. [00:15] but I'm useing the cd drive's sata and power to drive the other hdd [00:16] Avihay: Probably could make a bootable USB. Never done it, but there might be instructions on the clonezilla site. [00:17] there are, I'll look into it [00:17] Avihay: Good luck :) [00:19] thanks [00:29] Is this distro community-based? [00:29] therazr: Yes [00:31] Addle: What's the relationship with Ubuntu and Canonical, and who is mainly developing Kubuntu? Are there "features" like Amazon search or some other packages included in Kubuntu from Ubuntu main edition? [00:32] therazr: Well, others would know more, but Kubuntu has its own separate community and Canonical doesn't control it. Nor will there be any spyware on Kubuntu, from what I've been told. [00:32] therazr: Nor is Kubuntu particularly interested in Mir, if you're wondering. :) [00:33] we are part of the Ubuntu community, but Kubuntu is governed by our own Council [00:33] no spyware, ever [00:34] And there is the other that would know more :) [00:34] therazr: we cooperate with the ubuntu community for packaging, but do all the KDE packing ourselves, in cooperation with the KDE devels [00:34] and sysadmins [00:35] valorie: Looks like you refuse some of the Canonical's decisions. Will you be able to keep providing a reliable kubuntu experience on top of Xorg or Wayland? No upcoming XMir anytime soon? [00:35] no xmir in the forseeable future [00:35] mir and xmir are both built for Unity [00:35] and we don't ship unity [00:35] but they work with KDE, it seems [00:35] XMir of course [00:35] sort of [00:35] Mir nep [00:36] not to the satisfaction of the kwin devels [00:36] they will not be adding one-distro patches to kwin [00:36] as for the future, it is in the future [00:36] we hope to keep offering a viable Kubuntu [00:37] Thanks :) [00:37] I try not to worry about things over which I have zero influence [00:37] and work on things where I can make a difference [00:38] which is why I ran for a place on the Kub. Council [00:38] :-) [00:38] Us "Open Source Tea Party" people stick together. LOL [00:39] pfff [00:39] (Inside joke from comments from Shuttleworth) [00:39] yes, I know where it comes from [00:39] that one was strong [00:39] it was an unfortunate remark [00:39] Wayland devs now wanna debate publicly with Shuttleworth [00:39] Off topic, but it really was an unfortunate remark. [00:40] mark sees things from his own POV, and his own interests [00:40] that's fine, but stop bad-mouthing others [00:40] Agree 100%. [00:40] we all have our own POV, and our own interests [00:41] it is always good to have dialog, and think together, work together [00:41] We do, after all, mostly have the same goals. [00:41] valorie: tbh, he didn't attack anyone before his last comment. Before that, he had to listen a lot from the community, many hard things to ear [00:41] now he wants to prove he had a point with Mir [00:41] sure [00:42] however, one drop of ink can blacken a lot of water [00:42] better not to have said such a thing [00:42] in a public blog [00:42] And that includes the FUD when Mir was announced, IMO. [00:42] yea probably [00:42] let the code talk [00:43] if it is better, it should be adopted [00:43] right now, it's too early to tell [00:43] On that, you, I and Linus agree. :) [00:43] :-) [03:15] hello i'm having some issues with the last update of kubuntu: it says I can't use apt-get update to add new CDs and asks me to use apt-cdrom instead. === dheeraj__ is now known as RahulAN [03:38] mrpot4to_: Not that I've used any of the cdrom stuff past installation, but I'm not sure what the issue is. apt-cdrom isn't adding the disks properly? === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [04:10] Addle: you might need to tweek the bios === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === deadc0de_ is now known as OxDeadC0de [04:16] goodtime: Guessing you meant that for mrpot4to_. :) (Alas, he's logged out) === goodtime__ is now known as goodtime [05:00] hello all :) finally got everything installed in 13.10 again, it's running great and the available nvidia drivers are now recent enough that my graphics don't glitch out any more :P i'm glad that the overall decision was not to go with Mir and stick with X/Wayland as well...it's the community-backed solution and judging by intel's harsh response, the hardware manufacturers aren't impressed either [05:03] arthurfiggis: Glad you're happy with it. :) Though as far as I know, Intel refused the patch because it was for a single distro, not because they don't like Mir. Which I agree with. If it's for Ubuntu alone, they can maintain it. [05:03] arthurfiggis: How much other things counted in the decision, I can't know, of course. :) [05:06] Addle: Well granted, the statement that intel is against wayland is based upon some comments in the source file for the xorg intel driver, so it's not exactly authoritative ;) still, statements like We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream" don't bode well [05:07] hmmm intresting [05:07] i personally don't mind what direction they go in, as long as you still have a choice at the end of the day :) that's why i switched to kubuntu [05:07] goodtime: you can see the message here if you'd like! http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-intel/commit/?id=58a7611ccfda88c7cbcc62b25b787d6b0fa64081 [05:07] arthurfiggis: hehe True. Well said. [05:08] Addle: the only problem i see is that derivatives like kubuntu may eventually have to maintain a lot...their own packages, x, then wayland since i doubt canonical will :( it's a sad situation, but much like the xorg/xfree86 rift, people will choose the best solution and it'll sort itself out [05:10] arthurfiggis: Yeah, and of course I hope it doesn't make the GPU makers have to choose between the two. I'm not super worried. I've watched Linux evolve over the last 20 or so years, and I've switched distros a number of times, and Linux keeps thriving. [05:11] arthurfiggis: At worst, we can rebase on Debian. Hopefully it doesn't come to that. [05:12] yes, the only difficulty will be people wanting to switch at will between Unity and Kubuntu desktops [05:13] Addle: That's true, that's what ubuntu is doing anyway essentially...that would be a lot of work though, i know :( but i think enough people are against some of canonical's recent moves that many people are searching for alternatives [05:13] but again, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it [05:13] valorie: oh, i'd say that'll be a short bridge...after running the kde 4.8 releases and above it's gotten to the point where no one in their right mind would want to switch to unity :P [05:14] unless it was one of those tablet/almost-pc devices that canonical's phone turned out to be [05:14] valorie: You're probably getting sick of saying that, by now. ;) [05:14] arthurfiggis: tastes differ [05:15] this isn't religion, we're making tools for people to USE [05:15] and if they prefer different tools, fine [05:15] valorie: well that's true, yes...i'm not necessarily opposed to unity either, i am somewhat opposed to having my desktop searches carted off to amazon on the other hand ;) reason 2 for switching recently [05:15] we can still be friends [05:16] hehe I can't disagree with that. [05:16] I think one of the important things is that we keep the high ground and not roll around in the muck. Which I'd say is the case, thus far. [05:17] i cant play sound in kubuntu after i upgraded from kubuntu 13.04 to 13.10. I tried some links but the didnt help. [05:17] http://askubuntu.com/questions/360929/kubuntu-13-10-no-sound-missing-shutdown-button-network-disconnected [05:18] lovesh: can you say what exactly you did try? [05:18] I've found my sound muted in kmix or alsamixer a couple of times [05:19] which is annoying, but quite easy to fix as well [05:19] i did sudo dpkg --configure -a and restarted my system but no help [05:20] are you also missing your shutdown button? [05:20] sounds like a mix of problems described in that post [05:21] there is a shutdown button [05:21] sound is not mute in kmix [05:22] when you go deeper into kmix, does everything look correct? [05:22] right devices present, etc.? [05:22] looks correct to me [05:22] what would you look in specific [05:23] well, if "dummy" was chosen, then that's obviously wrong [05:23] so, if you look in System Settings [05:24] in Hardware > Multimedia [05:24] choose configure Phonon [05:24] oops, now they call it "audio and video settings" [05:24] good change, IMO [05:25] hehe Prevents the user going "WTH is Phonon", certainly. [05:25] are you there? [05:25] right [05:25] yes [05:25] i was confused about phonon [05:25] valorie: i noticed that too...not that it's bad to advertise the technology but to your average desktop user it doesn't mean much :) [05:25] didnt see it [05:26] that evidently is a recent change; sorry about that [05:26] that's why i like kde-oriented distros, the incremental changes are...sensible [05:26] so, is Music chosen? and if so, are the correct devices shown? [05:26] yes it shows built in audio analog stereo [05:27] but when i click test button i cant hear any sound [05:27] bleah [05:27] ok, look at backends tab [05:28] lovesh: i had to set the master channel in the audio app to the audio out to my speakers in order to get sound...otherwise it tried to go out on hdmi [05:28] make sure something is there; probably gstreamer [05:28] yes there is only one option Gstreamer [05:28] ok [05:28] vlc is an option, but gst is best for right now [05:28] so KDE is ok [05:28] arthurfiggis: i have a laptop. But still where can i find it [05:28] now for PA (Pulseaudio) [05:28] ok [05:29] lovesh: oh, to select the master channel for output you can just right click on the audio app in the system tray and there should be an option :) but i'm probably confusing you and valorie now sorry [05:29] you can control PA with a widget called "pavucontrol" [05:29] lovesh: I think he means if you right click on the KMix icon in the notification area, there's the Select Master Channel... entry. [05:30] yes, that's worthwhile checking before installing pavucontrol [05:30] just in case that works [05:30] Addle: Yes, that's the one :) I thought my sound wasn't working at first but it was just that the kmix icon set the hdmi volume by default [05:30] arthurfiggis: Been there. :) [05:31] anyone know how to install PyQt5 for Python 2 on ubuntu? I can't seem to find the appropriate package. [05:31] Addle: Oh everyone has I think...the best one was in my AP C++ course in high school, i sat in front of a monitor wondering why i wasn't getting any picture on the screen...until the teacher came by and turned the brightness up [05:31] and said something about me needing more sleep i think :P [05:32] !info pyqt5 [05:32] Package pyqt5 does not exist in saucy [05:32] pfff [05:32] !info python3-pyqt5 [05:32] python3-pyqt5 (source: pyqt5): Python 3 bindings for Qt5. In component universe, is optional. Version 5.0.1-1ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 1767 kB, installed size 12174 kB [05:32] but no python-pyqt5 or python2-pyqt5 [05:32] no in master channel built in audio analog stereo [05:33] lovesh: then click the cashew, install the widget pavucontrol [05:33] hmmmm, maybe I'm confusing that name [05:33] !info pavucontrol [05:33] cashew? [05:33] pavucontrol (source: pavucontrol): PulseAudio Volume Control. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (saucy), package size 140 kB, installed size 953 kB [05:33] I think maybe [05:33] ah, ok [05:34] I was like "What, it's a widget now??" lol [05:34] so you can either install pavucontrol, or the widget which is something else [05:34] there is a widget [05:35] Veromix [05:35] pulseaudio, confusing everyone since 2004 [05:35] hmmm, or there was [05:35] doesn't seem to be there now [05:35] ok, so pavucontrol is it [05:36] valorie: i installed pavucontrol but no sound yet [05:36] arthurfiggis: but it used to suck [05:36] now it's good [05:36] run pavucontrol [05:36] i installed pavucontrol from muon [05:36] and there you will see even more ways to control your sound [05:36] just installing it won't help [05:36] valorie: well, true...it took quite a while but i have no problems with it now on most systems, or with most programs :) plus unlike systemd it's actually cross platform [05:37] you use it to get to working sound [05:38] i also don't see any qt5-dev-tools package, similar to qt4-dev-tools [05:38] I have to use pavucontrol every time I install skype [05:38] valorie: things look fine there [05:38] screws up sound consistently [05:39] rohan: qttools5-dev-tools maybe? [05:39] my profile is analog stereo duplex [05:39] At least Skype stopped doing the "crackly sound" thing on me when I installed 13.10. [05:39] lovesh: does the monitor thing show sound playing or not? [05:39] and my output is not mute [05:39] arthurfiggis: ah, thanks.. i was searching for "qt5", no idea i had to search for "qttools5" [05:39] you should be able to see sound playing, even if you can't hear it [05:39] arthurfiggis: any idea how to install the qt5 sdk also, please? [05:40] yes it does [05:40] ok, so you should make some different choices until you can HEAR the sound that evidently IS playing [05:40] somewhere [05:40] silly Linux sound [05:40] can u tell me where? [05:41] no, because everyone's system is different [05:41] ok [05:41] just play with it for awhile [05:41] lovesh: Make sure the correct output is set as fallback (green circle with checkmark) in Output Devices, for one. [05:41] Addle: yes i see a green circle [05:41] with a check in it [05:42] lovesh: I presume it's depressed/selected. [05:42] yes [05:42] rohan: yeah, i got confused with a lot of that myself, a lot of package names got shuffled around and ia32-libs metapackage is gone entirely :( as for the qt sdk...there is this metapackage: qt5-default - Qt 5 development defaults package [05:42] that should install most stuff...if you needed an ide, kdevelop or preferably qt creator would be good :) [05:43] arthurfiggis: awesome, thank you! [05:43] also any idea how to get the python2-pyqt5 bindings? [05:43] lovesh: I'm assuming it's also not muted there. :) [05:44] no [05:44] rohan: hmm...i don't know that it's available for python 2 in 13.10, i only see the python3 version...but that's the default python version in 13.10 so it might be that it won't be backported to python2 [05:45] I used to have to resort to alsamixer, but usually playing with pavucontrol eventually works [05:45] sorry, 2.7.5 is default in 13.10 :) i had a different version selected [05:46] lovesh: I assume your laptop doesn't have an actual physical volume or anything like that. You never know. [05:46] lovesh: It's often the simple things that get ya. :) [05:46] arthurfiggis: i don't think python3 is the default python: python --version still shows python3 [05:46] arthurfiggis: er, python2 [05:47] actual physical volume? you mean like a knob on a speaker [05:47] ? [05:47] That sort of thing, but on the laptop. My friend's laptop has one. [05:47] no i dont have it [05:47] arthurfiggis: but you're right, looks like pyqt5 is only available in saucy, and only for python3 [05:47] rohan: yes, you're right, i had a different version selected as default...sorry about that :) so yes it appears that as far as the default repositories go pyqt5 is available for python3...i suppose you might be able to use easy_install in python2 to install it for that, assuming the build dependencies are also installed... [05:48] arthurfiggis: thanks. i was just curious, at this point it's better to use python3 anyway [05:49] i just increased master volume on alsamixer gui and it works [05:49] rohan: no problem...i don't know too much about python myself so it might be available from somewhere [05:49] thanks a lot [05:49] lovesh: Ahah, excellent! [05:50] this community is amazing [05:50] arthurfiggis: since you know about this stuff: any idea how to start learning pyqt5? [05:52] lovesh: good to know you got success [05:52] sorry you had to take the long road there [05:56] Hi [05:58] I just upgraded to 13.10 and found out that there is new simpler networkmanager widget. Does anyone know easy way to get old widget back? [05:59] Ledius: I think it has been deprecated [06:00] you know you can get the same info with one click, right? [06:02] valorie: You can? [06:03] click on the actual source and see [06:04] wireless, wired, etc. [06:05] Ledius: just type in the search engine for the widget your looking for, should work... [06:07] It would be nice if this new widget would show the actual connections when it is openend. One need to go editor to see which settings I am using at the moment. :/ [06:08] valorie: thanks [06:08] I didn't like the new one at first either [06:09] but within a day or so, I like it even better than the old one [06:10] Ledius: Not sure what you mean. Does it not show your "Active Connections" when you left click the icon in the notification area? [06:11] The graph when you click on the connection is keen, anyways. :) [06:12] And clicking on the wrench gives you the basic settings for it, and the edit connection button. [06:12] Addle: No it does not, but now I see that it show the active connection if i let pointer to hoover over the widget. [06:13] Ledius: That's odd. Maybe it's collapsed? There's a + or - button in the top left to collapse or expand the list (e.g. in front of "Active Connections"). [06:14] Ledius: You should still be able to get active connections, list of active wireless connections, a list of wireless networks around you, etc. [06:14] Ledius: By left clicking on the icon, that is. [06:14] There is only lists of previous connections and unknown connections. [06:14] With the left click. [06:15] Ledius: Right above that, there *should* also be one for "Active Connections". So that's rather odd. [06:16] Addle: No only those two. [06:16] Strange, why it does not show it for me.... [06:17] Ledius: I don't think that's normal, which I suppose is good to know. lol I'm on a desktop and the only thing in that list is, in fact, "Active Connections", since I don't have wireless. [06:17] Ledius: Aye, there's the rub. :) [06:22] Hmmm.. .I need to look how I can get widget to work correctly... [06:22] Ledius: All I can think of is that maybe it's scrolled down past it. But other than that, I have no idea where to even start, if it's indeed missing completely. [06:26] Addle: I colapset the previous connections and unknown connection and cannot scoll the list anywhere. So at leas I cannot see where it could hide. [06:27] if you have no wireless card, or there are no wireless signals, why would the section even exist? [06:27] I have no "previous connection" section [06:27] since I'm using the same wireless access I always do at home [06:27] I have wireless but currently i am using wired. [06:28] I expect I'll see that if I take the laptop somewhere else [06:28] valorie: Yeah, I think it shows up only once you've gotten a stored access point and changed to another one. [06:29] I like it when software shows some intelligence [06:30] I turned the widget on just to troubleshoot (it was hidden since I only have wired), and I think I'll keep it just for the graph. :) [06:31] That's a good motto: "KDE: It shows some intelligence". :) [06:31] widgets are useless eyecandy i guess [06:32] few are useful [06:32] Well, that one for me is mostly eye-candy, I suppose. But I wouldn't go that far. [06:32] i like the terminal panel widget [06:33] and the system monitor one [06:33] I'm liking the new IM stuff in this release. Widgets included. [06:36] Addle: Hmm.. Now that I did purge plasma-nm and reinstalled it it show active connections. [06:36] Ledius: Oh, well that's good, then! hehe [06:37] Hmm. I woder is the reinstall the reason or that it was in the system tray. Now I added it as a separate widget. [06:37] Thanks for the help! [06:38] Ledius: np :) I suppose it's worth testing by putting it back in the tray. I would assume it would show up there, as well. [06:38] hey guys i have a very annoying issue. I installed soundkonverter and I am getting a post install configuration script issue of timidity. [06:39] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6274934/ now I cannot install any updates or purge timidity because of the mentioned issue can anyone help me rectify the situation [06:39] Addle: Even in the system tray it show the active connections list. [06:40] Ledius: Good, all is well then. I'll have to remember the solution in case anyone else has that rather strange issue. [06:43] hey Addle [06:44] eagles0513875: Do you have this in /etc/passwd: "timidity:x:119:130:TiMidity++ MIDI sequencer service:/etc/timidity:/bin/false"? [06:44] Hi eagles0513875 :) [06:45] i dunno let me check [06:45] eagles0513875: Or something like that anyways. It says it created the user, but somehow I have my doubts. [06:45] eagles0513875: The 119 and 130 might be different, of course. [06:45] Addle: no i dont have anything there [06:45] eagles0513875: Wonder what the heck happened to the adduser call. [06:46] i dunno where would i need to look at the post install script [06:46] cuz that might be handy at this point [06:46] eagles0513875: Should be able to add that (and the group) manually, I suppose, but maybe the adduser command is borked or something. [06:47] eagles0513875: I have both soundkonverter and timidity installed, and it seems to have worked fine for me. [06:47] eagles0513875: Perhaps there's an error message in a log file in /var/log/apt/ [06:47] Addle: im on 13.10 [06:47] eagles0513875: Same. [06:48] Addle: that is very useless [06:48] that /var/log/apt/ directory and whats in it [06:48] tells you what i pastebinned [06:48] eagles0513875: Ah, well that's not useful, you're right. It says it succeeded in adding the user. Clearly not. [06:50] eagles0513875: Hm, I have a theory. It didn't add the group first. [06:50] Why the heck are there carriage returns in my /var/log/apt/term.log file... lol [06:50] Addle: mine too [06:51] Addle: i cannot afford to bork my system right now [06:51] eagles0513875: Anyways, before it adds the user, on mine, it first says "Adding group timidity....done" [06:51] eagles0513875: Yours didn't. Maybe if you just add the group first, the rest will run ok. [06:51] Addle: doesnt it do some special stuff with the group etc [06:52] eagles0513875: No clue, but the adduser probably needs the group added first. [06:52] Addle: wont i need to add the user to the group then [06:53] eagles0513875: And also add the user to the 'audio' group. [06:53] eagles0513875: Honestly, I always edit those files directly instead of using the command. Old habit, I guess. [06:55] eagles0513875: The line in my /etc/group file is just "timidity:x:130:". Of course, that number is chosen simply because it was the next free group id. [06:55] Addle: i would prefer to fix the scipt and let it do it all automatically for me [06:56] eagles0513875: Might be tricky to fix it in the .deb file. Non-trivial, anyways. [06:56] Addle: this is what i find interesting groups: timidity: no such user adduser: The user `timidity' does not exist. [06:56] i dont have the user or the group created [06:57] eagles0513875: Perhaps just a reinstall. Maybe sudo apt-get install timidity-daemon --reinstall [06:58] eagles0513875: That's certainly strange, yeah. groups just prints the groups a user is in. And there's no such user until adduser is called. That *is* strange. [06:59] no that didnt do it [07:01] eagles0513875: Honestly, I have no idea what went wrong, there. I mean you've probably got the same version that worked fine for me: 2.13.2-40.1 [07:01] eagles0513875: Is the timidity package itself installed? [07:01] Addle: same version [07:02] Addle: timidity is installed [07:02] the daemon is a dependency on it [07:02] eagles0513875: Curiouser and curiouser. [07:02] ? [07:02] Sherlock Holmes speak for "WTF". :) [07:06] Addle: you spelled it wrong [07:06] oh no you didnt haha [07:06] if you look at it closly it looks like curio user :p [07:06] Addle: from where in system settings can i add the user and group? [07:06] Add a strange font to your problems. lol [07:07] lol [07:07] eagles0513875: There's a new "User Manager" in System Administration in the system settings. Maybe that'll do it. [07:08] Addle: do i add myself to the timidity user and group i create? [07:08] eagles0513875: No, I don't think so. Just the daemon will run as that user and group. [07:09] ok that only seems to work for users [07:09] i cannot add just groups etc [07:09] eagles0513875: Doesn't look like the User Manager is meant to add this kind of user to the system. For example, you can't give it a shell of /bin/false. [07:09] i probably can for my user [07:09] I'd just add the group manually, then try the install again. [07:09] ok [07:09] group and user though no? [07:10] or just add group and not the user [07:10] Well, maybe with the group there, the actual adduser will work. [07:10] Just pick the next group id and use that number in place of my 130: "timidity:x:130:" [07:11] This much, at least, is easily reversible and extremely unlikely to mess anything up. [07:11] ok [07:12] Addle: looking at the /etc/passwd file 130 isnt in use [07:12] eagles0513875: The 130 is the group ID, not the user ID. [07:12] eagles0513875: Just pick the next available number in /etc/group === Fred_ is now known as Guest76146 [07:12] eagles0513875: To be specific, that line goes in /etc/group [07:13] Addle: in group timidity:x:129: that is there [07:13] there is somethign more sinister up here i have to say [07:13] the group is there [07:13] whats the relationship between Kubuntu and Ubuntu at this point? Is there a place on web site that states it? [07:13] Guest48686: what do you mean the differences between the two? [07:14] Addle: i am wondering if a bug report should be filed? [07:14] I didn't ask that. How are the projects orgazined? [07:14] eagles0513875: The actual command it runs to then add the user is: adduser --quiet --system --ingroup timidity --no-create-home --disabled-password timidity [07:14] eagles0513875: I'd leave out the --quiet, though. [07:14] Good morning. [07:14] eagles0513875: And the group add command it uses is: addgroup --quiet --system timidity [07:15] well for that matter Guest76146 whats debian then [07:15] Mornin', lordievader [07:15] Addle: Adding system user `timidity' (UID 119) ... Adding new user `timidity' (UID 119) with group `timidity' ... useradd: existing lock file /etc/subgid.lock without a PID useradd: cannot lock /etc/subgid; try again later. adduser: `/usr/sbin/useradd -d /home/timidity -g timidity -s /bin/false -u 119 timidity' returned error code 18. Exiting. [07:15] lo lordievader [07:15] hey goodtime lordievader [07:15] hey eagles0513875 [07:15] sigh bloody broken package :( [07:15] Hey Addle, goodtime, eagles0513875, how are all of you doing? [07:15] eagles0513875: Ahah, that must be where the issue is coming from. [07:15] Addle: ? [07:15] Addle: whats that? [07:15] great i just got back from a music gig [07:16] eagles0513875: That lock file might need to be zapped. Just make sure you don't have any programs that might be in the middle of adding a user if you delete it. [07:16] i played alot of blues on my harmonicas and new amp and mic [07:16] Addle: i have nothign creating new users [07:16] eagles0513875: As I recall, you can tell what, if anything, has it opene with fuser -a FILETOCHECK [07:16] i get my les paul tommrow morning [07:16] Addle: nothing is using it :) [07:16] goodtime: Nice, hope you enjoy it. :) [07:17] i guess all ubuntu /kubuntu is all Debian [07:17] eagles0513875: Ok, just zap the darn thing and try to reinstall the package, then. [07:17] so to speek i guess [07:17] goodtime: Shall we go to #kubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter? [07:17] that did the trick Addle [07:17] lordievader: And I've been watching Netflix and helping out around here. [07:17] yes lordievader [07:17] lordievader: Already there, and yes :) [07:18] eagles0513875: Awesome. And that certainly explains why it didn't work properly. Don't ask me what left that lock file there, mind you. [07:19] Addle: im going to file a bug report in case anyone else has the same issue [07:19] thanks for your help [07:20]