[01:14] <cjb_> does anyone know if ubuntu touch can run cron?
[01:19] <duflu> cjb_, I haven't looked, but it should. It's just an Ubuntu installation now
[01:22] <cjb_> duflu: does that mean it has all the same commands as the desktop version?
[01:22] <duflu> cjb_: Yes, it should do
[01:23] <duflu> Although it's plausible some not required for touch aren't installed by default. All should still be installable
[01:23] <cjb_> thru apt-get, right?
[01:25] <Cynp> Hey Guys, at the end of the install after my Nexus has installed the armhf.zip and reboots, it stays on the Google logo and doesnt boot
[01:25] <cjb_> duflu: thank you, I might install it now.
[01:26] <Cynp> doesnt boot into touch*
[01:39] <melvster> can i run a full web server on ubuntu touch ... would there be any issues?
[02:08] <duflu> melvster: Sure, it's just an Ubuntu machine. But remember touch devices are not as powerful as modern desktops/laptops
[02:08] <melvster> duflu: woot! :D
[02:08] <melvster> am just reading ... http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/
[02:09] <melvster> and that makes me even more glad i switched to ubuntu touch :)
[02:10] <duflu> melvster: Almost all packages should have armhf builds done for them. So just apt-get install ...
[02:12] <melvster> duflu: brilliant ... im thinking about trying phablet with pagekite and a webserver
[02:14] <duflu> melvster: Oh and I almost forgot... the touch images are now read-only by default so packages won't install. You can fix that with something like "sudo mount -o remount,rw /"
[02:16] <linuxuz3r> is there an appstore for ubuntu touch?
[02:16] <linuxuz3r> like google play or app store?
[02:20] <melvster> linuxuz3r: yes i think it's the normal ubuntu app store ... 68000 apps there last time i counted ... duflu thanks!
[02:28] <Cynp> Hey, any reason why my device wouldnt automatically reboot into the Ubuntu Touch UI?
[02:28] <Cynp> It just boots to the google logo and thats it. Am i missing something?
[02:29] <linuxuz3r> melvster, ok
[02:30] <duflu> Cynp: Hmm, that's what happens when no display server has started. Log a bug, methinks
[02:31] <linuxuz3r> melvster i dont have ubuntu tocuh installed in my android device but are there paid apps in the ubuntu app store
[02:31] <melvster> linuxuz3r: i didnt see any yet, but im sure there will be some if not now then soon
[02:32] <melvster> i only installed this weekend :)
[02:32] <melvster> so still learning ...
[02:33] <FabianCook> Anyone else notice the insane jitter when scrolling?
[02:38] <FabianCook> Question, should I make my storage helpers in QML or C++? What is preferred?
[02:41] <Cynp> duflu: aha! yeah it took ages for it to start up. Now... to get cellular data to work
[02:46] <OrokuSaki> <trying to run *mer* while I wait for jhodapp to do some codec stuff =)
[02:46] <OrokuSaki> Where would we be without Mer? =)
[02:48] <Cynp> Does anyone else get random freezes?
[03:04] <thatguyisjames> i got it up and running, and i know this is still in dev state... but, anyone manage to get the alarm to show the time set, or is this non working currently?
[03:07] <FabianCook> Cynp, Just got one now
[03:12] <Cynp> Lol trying to login to gmail, asks for verification and then i dont receive any sms code
[03:14] <JoeK_> I'm currently trying to flash Ubuntu onto my Nexus 4. My terminal is showing "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes." and my phone screen is on, but it's on a blank screen. Should I restart the flash?
[03:16] <FabianCook> thatguyisjames, it seems to be working for me
[03:16] <FabianCook> JoeK_, Nah, it takes some time
[03:17] <JoeK_> okay
[03:17] <FabianCook> JoeK_, Are you sure its not actually done and the screen is off?
[03:17] <JoeK_> I can tell the the phone screen is on.
[03:18] <JoeK_> I could try powering off and then power on and see if it's done
[03:19] <Cynp> JoeK_: load up another terminal and try adb shell ls
[03:20] <JoeK_> ok it listed a table of contents
[03:21] <Cynp> JoeK_: if it gives you a list of files, that means that your phone is on and working
[03:22] <Cynp> JoeK_: and booted up into ubuntu, you can remove the ls so, "adb shell" and you will be able to see the hostname
[03:22] <Cynp> My screen took a good 60+ seconds for it to start up first time.
[03:23] <JoeK_> should i reboot phone?
[03:25] <stardome> has anyone here tried putting ubuntu touch on an Asus Transformer tablet?
[03:27] <JoeK_> okay, the other terminal has completed it's process. It said "Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way." But I restarted the phone and I am in Ubuntu. So It looks Okay.
[03:28] <FabianCook> Should be fine then xD
[03:28] <JoeK_> Thanks for the help
[03:58] <mark```> The phone/install page says that Ubuntu Phone will connect to a GSM network. This might just me emphasizing that it won't do data. But it might mean that it won't work on Wind Mobile's AWS 1700/2100MHz network. Does anyone know if Ubuntu Touch would or would not be expected to work with voice calls on an AWS network?
[03:59] <mark```> "me emphasizing" = "be emphasizing"
[05:05] <stgraber> ogra_: I'm heading to bed now, but I believe I've fixed livecd-rootfs for trusty and there's an image building now. So if it all works, you should have your first trusty image published on system-image by the time you get online.
[05:50] <AskUbuntu> Creating a library for Ubuntu touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/362865
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[07:51] <dun> I can not use 3g data. i using china unicom,who can i help me?
[07:54] <AskUbuntu> Swedish keyboard on Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/362910
[08:35] <JamesTait> You got back safely then?
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Apple Day! :-D
[08:45] <dun> good afternoon!
[09:05] <ondra> john-mcaleely: ping
[09:08] <haziq> Hello
[09:08] <haziq> I have sony ericsson live with walkman wt19i and i want to know that my phone can run ubuntu?
[09:10] <popey> haziq: is it listed at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ?
[09:10] <haziq> No.
[09:10] <popey> then no, someone would need to port it
[09:11] <haziq> Ok thanks for help :)
[09:47] <nhaines> popey: I have a device and it's not supported by Ubuntu.  Can I still run Ubuntu on it?
[09:50] <popey> nhaines: is that sarcasm?
[09:51] <popey> my sarcasm detector is broken this morning
[09:51] <nhaines> popey: yes.
[09:51] <nhaines> popey: Also be forewarned: if the answer is "no", then I will argue with you because I want to run Ubuntu on it anyway.  Also I would like a pony.
[09:52] <popey> super
[09:54] <nhaines> popey: eh, scratch that.  I just realized that I have to log out and then in again in order to run Virtualbox, but I don't want to be required to do that.  So now I'm angry at that instead.
[09:55] <nhaines> On the plus side, the Virtualbox scopes possibly work very well.
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <spazzymoto> Did someone say pony...
[10:12] <janimo`> bzoltan, hi are there some details available on qtsensors work? bug 1227116 has little info. I'd like to try out the sensor functionality
[10:14] <nik90> janimo`: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1241735
[10:14] <nik90> janimo`: apparently that's what is holding up qtsensors from landing
[10:15] <nik90> janimo`: the necessary code for haptic has landed in the sdk, however we are missing the qtsensors package which is being held back due to app armor stuff
[10:15] <janimo`> nik90, thanks
[10:16] <janimo`> nik90, do you know if applications can force their orientation (such as landscape) ?
[10:16] <janimo`> what I see is the automaticOrientation property
[10:16] <nik90> janimo`: afaik nope
[10:16] <nik90> janimo`: the automaticOrientation helps to switch to landscape mode automatically but does not enforce it
[10:17] <davmor2> tvoss: 101 took all day saturday and the morning sunday before the maguro needed a reboot because it was unusable, but as such it didn't crash just got too slow
[10:17] <davmor2> tvoss: I'm assuming there is still a memory leak but it is much slower
[10:18] <tvoss> davmor2, thx for the feedback, we will keep on digging further obviously
[10:28] <janimo`> kalikiana, regarding bug 1241735
[10:29] <janimo`> kalikiana, is the adb shell session subject to apparmor restrictions as well?
[10:29] <janimo`> kalikiana, echo 150 > /sys/class/timed_output/vibrator/enable works for me in a non-root shell on the nexus4 with the #100  image
[10:32] <kalikiana> janimo`: I'm using Galaxy Nexus, I recall that it used to work in the past but that was before mir or flipped images
[10:32] <kalikiana> right now without sudo it doesn't work
[10:33] <janimo`> kalikiana, what error do you get, EPERM?
[10:34] <kalikiana> I enter the user shell with "su -l phablet", then the echo fails with -su: /sys/class/timed_output/vibrator/enable: Permission denied
[10:38] <janimo`> kalikiana, do you echo into the file or using the snippet in the bugreport ?
[10:39] <janimo`> kalikiana, I directly echo 200 >/proc/...
[10:39] <janimo`> kalikiana, since the snippet actually tries to run that sysfs file
[10:39] <kalikiana> hum, very stupid mistake there | should be >…
[10:39] <kalikiana> it works
[10:40] <janimo`> kalikiana, \o/
[10:40] <kalikiana> sorry :-/
[10:40] <janimo`> kalikiana, np, good to know it works
[10:40] <kalikiana> now how do I know what permissions the app has?
[10:41] <janimo`> kalikiana, do you know whether forcing of app orientation is anywhere in the plans? A property similar to automaticOrientation but getting an orientation value
[10:41] <kalikiana> I'd like to distinguish a possible issue in code from apparmor blocking it
[10:41] <janimo`> kalikiana, if not I could try taking a look to see if I can add it myself
[10:41] <janimo`> kalikiana, if apparmor blocks it there will be messages in /var/log/syslog
[10:42] <janimo`> or apparmor-notify may be used ( I did not use it so I am not sure it works but I saw it in the docs)
[10:42] <janimo`> kalikiana, or you mean you want to detect the issue programatically inside the app?
[10:42] <kalikiana> janimo`: I proposed a bugfix for your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1239760 it works, if you don't run into the bug
[10:43] <janimo`> kalikiana, thanks, I saw that branch just did not know whether something was blocking it (apart from the imminent release :)
[10:44] <kalikiana> janimo`: from the code I would think it does write just fine, so knowing if apparmor blocks it or not would mean I'm not spending time in the wrong place
[10:45] <kalikiana> no messages in /var/log/syslog at least
[10:54] <mdeslaur> kalikiana: apparmor doesn't block anything when you use an adb shell, also if you don't have anything in syslog, it's not apparmor
[10:55] <mdeslaur> kalikiana: what are the permissions on /sys/class/timed_output/vibrator/enable?
[10:57] <hich-em> est ce que ubuntu touch marche sur une tablet sanei N10???????
[10:57] <mdeslaur> hich-em: non
[10:58] <hich-em> mdeslaur merci :)
[10:59] <mdeslaur> hich-em: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[11:01] <hich-em> mdeslaur, my tablet it's not original it's like huawei
[11:24] <yahoo> ogra, whats the progres on GNEX dispaly driver fix ? I've been waiting for it :(
[11:24] <Rauero> yo!
[11:24] <ogra_> yahoo, ask tvoss
[11:24] <ogra_> he was looking into other options to improve the lag on maguro
[11:25] <yahoo> is tvoss here ?
[11:25] <yahoo> tvoss, whats the progres on GNEX dispaly driver fix ? I've been waiting for it :(
[11:25] <yahoo> ogra, sounds good
[11:25] <tvoss> yahoo, 101 already has some improvements, and there are a bunch of branches on mir up for review
[11:25] <Rauero> does anyone here try to change android to ubuntu using alcatel ot 6030x?
[11:25] <ogra_> yeah, i was referring to the Mir branches
[11:25] <tvoss> ogra_, yahoo in the review queue
[11:25] <yahoo> tvoss, when will it be released via OTA ?
[11:26] <tvoss> yahoo, can't say for sure, some of them likely this week
[11:26] <yahoo> BTW, terminal  app has some issues with keyboard. it wont show up
[11:26] <tvoss> yahoo, yup, we have got bugs logged for that
[11:27] <yahoo> ok. i'll have to flash my phone to android then :(
[11:27] <tvoss> yahoo, please check lp:ubuntu-keyboard then
[11:27] <tvoss> yahoo, are you on 100 or 101?
[11:27] <yahoo> what is 100 & 101 ?
[11:27] <tvoss> yahoo, image nr
[11:27] <yahoo> i am not sure.
[11:28] <popey> yahoo: adb shell system-image-cli -i
[11:28] <tvoss> ogra_, is 101 out via ota?
[11:28] <popey> that'll tell you
[11:28] <ogra_> tvoss, only in the proposed channel
[11:28] <tvoss> ogra_, ack
[11:28] <yahoo> in "about this phone", its 13.10 (r100)
[11:29] <yahoo> 101 has driver fixes ?
[11:29] <tvoss> yahoo, not driver fixes, but higher levels in the stack accounting for driver specifics
[11:29] <tvoss> yahoo, for maguro, 101 fixes some of the lag
[11:30] <davmor2> ogra_: improves the maguro slow down time for me to about a day and a half :)
[11:30] <yahoo> ok
[11:30] <ogra_> davmor2, yeah, there is still the upstart memleak and the Mir fixes from tvoss
[11:30] <yahoo> i'll wait for 101
[11:30] <yahoo> will it be out by tomorrow ?
[11:31] <davmor2> ogra_: Yeap but that is a vast improvement for 101
[11:35] <cwayne_> so is channel devel now pointing to trusty?
[11:35] <ogra_> not yet, no
[11:37] <janimo`> cwayne, you can install form trusty-proposed though
[11:37] <janimo`> if you want to try build 1 that is :)
[11:38] <cwayne_> janimo`, yeah, i'd seen it was setup, just checking to make sure that devl hasn't aliased to it yet :P
[11:40] <asac> tvoss: ogra_ said you have a MIR fix/patch for making the uevent spam go away? whats the status?
[11:41] <tvoss> asac, not in yet, need to check with kdub on its status
[11:41] <ogra_> would be good to be able to have that in trusty soon
[11:41] <ogra_> fi we see it is good, then also have it for saucy
[11:41] <tvoss> asac, requires us to access the android power HAL, need to make sure that parts are in place
[11:42] <tvoss> ogra_, asap, but need to cross-check with kdub
[11:42] <ogra_> yeah
[11:47] <ogra_> tvoss, so i wrote a good bunch of webapps on the weekend (four landed in the shop already) and i think there is a lot of work needed wrt backgrounding apps
[11:47] <ogra_> tvoss, if i run multiple webapps they never save their state properly when backgrounded
[11:48] <ogra_> tvoss, i often have dead apps in the list that dont get started at all again ... and at some point the shell even assigns the wrong labels to the thumbnails
[11:48] <tvoss> ogra_, that comes down to patching the webruntime then. For qml apps, the sdk takes care of that automatically
[11:48] <AskUbuntu> will ubuntu touch support Nexus 7 in the future | http://askubuntu.com/q/363009
[11:49] <ogra_> when i left the phone over night all apps were dead ...
[11:49] <ogra_> (seems suspending for a longer time flushes the ram underneat the apps or some such)
[11:49] <tvoss> ogra_, can you file a bug against unity8/unity-mir please?
[11:49] <ogra_> will do
[11:50] <ogra_> i'll land some more apps today as well (heise, n-tv etc ) so oyu can try yourself ...
[11:50] <tvoss> ogra_, thanks, but it is unlikely that I will come to triage that bug today
[11:50] <ogra_> it gets really weird if you get about 6 webapps running
[11:51] <ogra_> the oldes ones get killed and have to start from scratch if you flick through them (if tehy start at all)
[11:51] <popey> ogra_: you going to put them in the store?
[11:52] <ogra_> popey, yeah, 6 more waiting 4 went in tonight
[11:52] <trecker> someone speaks Russian?
[11:52] <ogra_> russians do
[11:52] <ogra_> (i heard)
[11:52] <trecker> yes
[11:53] <ogra_> tvoss, oh, btw, do you know if we have plans for printing ?
[11:53] <ogra_> asac, ^^^
[11:53] <ogra_> would be cool to be able to use network printers OOTB ... i dont think other mobile OSes do that without third party apps
[11:54] <Stskeeps> webos had, but given that was HP ..
[11:54] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[11:55] <ogra_> and given it drives their printers nowadays
[11:56] <tvoss> ogra_, we had a session about printing at one vuds. Till planned on stripping down the cups stack such that we can install a lightweight printing stack
[11:57] <tvoss> ogra_, just pinged tkamppeter in #ubuntu-devel
[11:58] <Trisse23> Hmm when will this become available on other devices than nexus? :)
[11:58] <Trisse23> And how is it working, is it smooth?
[11:59] <Aivaras> how long "Waiting for recovery image to boot" should take?
[12:04] <Aivaras> It seams that I can't boot to recovery image. Any ideas?
[12:07] <OrokuSaki> Morning all!
[12:15] <asac> ogra_: yeah. lightweight as in super-minimal would be great for printing stack :)
[12:15] <ogra_> yeah, only starting on demand
[12:16] <tvoss> ogra_, asac that was part of the original discussion
[12:17] <Aivaras> "insufficient permissions for device" then trying to adb then in ubuntu recovery
[12:18] <Aivaras> "adb devices" outputs device and "no premissions"
[12:25] <Aivaras> All I needed was adb server restart
[12:29] <mandel_> lool, ping
[12:31] <Aivaras> I will totally ne late to university because of this touch thing :D
[12:31] <Aivaras> be*
[12:39] <dholbach> ogra_, having fun?
[12:39] <ogra_> dholbach, so much paperwork :P
[12:39] <ogra_> creating the app takes half the time of submitting it
[12:40] <dholbach> well, you have to have a description and pictures and stuff - soon we'll land automatic reviews and inspection of the packages, so there'll be less duplicated information
[12:42] <ogra_> yeah, i understand ... and if i wouldnt sumit that info the the website it would have to be somewhere inside the package after all
[12:46] <sergiusens> ogra_, it's supposed to pick up all that info from the manifest itself eventually
[12:46] <ogra_> ah, nice
[12:54] <akiragt> hello
[13:08] <timetraveler> hi
[13:08] <guest101> hey everyone
[13:08] <guest101> i want to install ubuntu on my android
[13:08] <guest101> how do i go about that ?
[13:09] <timetraveler> I want to install ubuntu on my android too
[13:09] <timetraveler> but I have some questions
[13:09] <timetraveler> Is it stable version ?
[13:09] <guest101> anyone here can assist with the process ?
[13:11] <ogra_> guest1__, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[13:12] <ogra_> timetraveler, ^^^
[13:12] <tsdgeos> zsombi: any of you guys can review https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/micro-optimizations ?
[13:13] <ogra_> popey, is the BBC app yours ?
[13:13] <zsombi> tsdgeos: just checked it few minutes ago :)
[13:13] <tsdgeos> zsombi: oki :=)
[13:14] <ogra_> popey, i get an error trying to install it (and no info whats actually wrong apart that it tells me my U1 account has issues)
[13:15] <ogra_> (says: "your ubuntu one credentials are invalid")
[13:24] <stgraber> ogra_: did you test that trusty-proposed image?
[13:24] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah, runs fine on mako and maguro
[13:24] <stgraber> cool
[13:24] <ogra_> stgraber, thanks for the fix ( i had a hack pending but didnt feel like uploading on the weekend)
[13:25] <ogra_> curious how the next image will look like though :)
[13:25] <ogra_> this one is essentially just a renamed saucy
[13:25] <ogra_> the fun begins at 2
[13:25] <ogra_> :)
[13:27] <spazzymoto> is the root filesystem mounted as readonly? trying to install some python packages via apt and get W: Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[13:27] <ogra_> spazzymoto, yes
[13:30] <spazzymoto> ogra_: ah ok thanks. Is there a way to install packages via apt? would mount / -o remount,rw work, or not advised?
[13:30] <ogra_> you can make the fs writable with: touch /userdata/.writable_image ... and rebooting
[13:30] <systime> Just installed touch on my nexus 10.  When I try to play a video, I get audio but a black screen.  Is that a known issue?
[13:31] <ogra_> you will lose the ability to do OTA upgrades and apt will eventually break
[13:31] <ogra_> systime, sadly yes ...
[13:31] <systime> ogra_: Thanks.
[13:33] <tsdgeos> zsombi: Cid is my second surname so not the right way to adress me ;-) tx for the review anyway :D
[13:34] <zsombi> tsdgeos: auch, sorry dude, will keep that in mind!
[13:34] <tsdgeos> zsombi: no worries :D
[13:36] <MacSlow> nic-doffay, can you hear us on mumble?
[13:40] <spazzymoto> ogra_: ok thanks, will have to leave it as i dont want to break it
[13:43] <tsdgeos> zsombi: oh, my branch conflicts
[13:43]  * tsdgeos rebases/merges
[13:43] <zsombi> tsdgeos: fix it then :D
[13:44]  * zsombi eod
[13:54] <spazzymoto> got whatsapp working with yowsup in terminal
[13:54] <ogra_> wow, congrats
[13:56] <spazzymoto> is there a way to write a frontend with python currently? i dont think pyqt bindings are there
[13:57] <ogra_> there is no pyqt for Qt 5.0 i think
[13:57] <ogra_> so you would have to use C++/QML
[13:58] <louidgi> hi! during the install the phone said me that autodpoy.zip is not found
[13:58] <louidgi> evrybody to help me please?
[13:58] <spazzymoto> http://www.riverbankcomputing.com/news/pyqt-511
[13:59] <spazzymoto> pity but thanks ogra
[13:59] <ogra_> spazzymoto, i also dont think we want to encourage the usage of python ... it is way to demanding
[13:59] <ogra_> for small short running scripts thats fine, but not for constantly running processes
[14:00] <spazzymoto> fair enough
[14:00]  * spazzymoto goes to dust of C++ books
[14:00] <ogra_> :)
[14:02] <iBelieve> I'm on 13.10 (desktop) and have the Ubuntu SDK and all the core apps installed. I'm getting apparmor denials while connecting to the internet using the standard Network Manager indicator. Any chance this problem is related to having Ubuntu Touch-related stuff installed (due to confinement issues)?
[14:03] <iBelieve> My errors are: Oct 21 13:34:55 ubuntu-dev dbus[447]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="system" path="/org/freedesktop/DBus" interface="org.freedesktop.DBus" member="Hello" mask="send" name="org.freedesktop.DBus" pid=3232 profile="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action" peer_profile="unconfined" info="Invalid argument"
[14:03] <iBelieve> Oct 21 13:34:55 ubuntu-dev dbus[447]: apparmor="DENIED" operation="dbus_method_call"  bus="system" path="/org/freedesktop/DBus" interface="org.freedesktop.DBus" member="Hello" name="org.freedesktop.DBus" mask="receive" profile="unconfined" peer_pid=3232 peer_profile="/usr/lib/NetworkManager/nm-dhcp-client.action" peer_info="Invalid argument"
[14:03] <JasonFelice> The docs on developer.ubuntu.com don't seem to include how to get an app to a phone.
[14:03] <JasonFelice> Package & deploy, I mean.
[14:03] <ogra_> iBelieve, yeah, sounds like it
[14:04] <iBelieve> ogra_, so what should I try uninstalling to test?
[14:04] <ogra_> iBelieve, hmm,, no idea, probably jdstrand can help here
[14:05] <ogra_> JasonFelice, http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/ probably ?
[14:05] <iBelieve> ogra_, thanks
[14:06] <iBelieve> jdstrand, ping
[14:06] <jdstrand> iBelieve: your /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient or /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/dbus seems out of date
[14:06] <JasonFelice> ogra_: That gives some insight.  I'm working on a QML app, though.
[14:07] <JasonFelice> ogra_: Oh, found it.  Cool.
[14:07] <ogra_> yeah, i guess there should also be such a document for QML apps
[14:08] <iBelieve> jdstrand, I was able to connect to the internet using the terminal and then ran update/dist-upgrade, so the packages should be up-to-date. How would I see if the files are out of date?
[14:08] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: please perform https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseCycle#Individuals_.28devel.29 at your earliest convenience
[14:08] <jdstrand> meh
[14:08] <iBelieve> jdstrand, (I'm on 13.10, by the way)
[14:08] <jdstrand> bad paste
[14:09] <jdstrand> iBelieve: your /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient should have http://paste.ubuntu.com/6276993/
[14:09] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, ChrisCoulson: nm
[14:09] <jdstrand> iBelieve: and /etc/apparmor.d/abstractions/dbus should have these lines:
[14:09] <jdstrand>   /{,var/}run/dbus/system_bus_socket rw,
[14:09] <jdstrand>   dbus bus=system,
[14:10] <jdstrand> iBelieve: you might have some .dpkg-new files in /etc/apparmor.d
[14:10] <jdstrand> iBelieve: sorry, dpkg-dist
[14:11] <sergiusens> alecu,  dholbach, jdstrand have you guys seen the click scope dissappear recently? I think I can reproduce now
[14:11] <alecu> sergiusens: #100 ?
[14:11] <jdstrand> I've not seen that
[14:12] <dholbach> sergiusens, sometimes, yes
[14:13]  * ogra_ sees that at times but it comes back .... 
[14:15] <iBelieve> jdstrand, the two files contain both those snippets correctly. However, I do remember getting some prompt about .dpkg-new or something like that during an upgrade.
[14:16] <jdstrand> iBelieve: perhaps reload the policy: sudo apparmor_parser -r /etc/apparmor.d/sbin.dhclient
[14:16] <jdstrand> iBelieve: then reboot and see if nm is working correctly
[14:18] <sergiusens> alecu, dholbach I ca reproduce when my nework is flaky; brings the whole scope down
[14:18] <sergiusens> alecu, #101
[14:19] <iBelieve> jdstrand, okay, thanks. I will try that. If it doesn't work, should I take the problem to #ubuntu as a general ubuntu problem?
[14:19] <sergiusens> dholbach, wrt to my webapp thing, I added a comment before your needs info ;-)
[14:19] <jdstrand> iBelieve: #ubuntu-hardened would be fine (I'm there too)
[14:19] <sergiusens> dholbach, oh, after it seems; you are fast!
[14:19] <dholbach> sergiusens, oops, must have missed it
[14:19] <dholbach> ha! :)
[14:20] <sergiusens> dholbach, nah, my mind is incorrectly date parsing; but it was too close to notice ;-)
[14:24] <sergiusens> alecu, is this useful? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6269433/ ... I ran the scope manually with --debug; not sure it would do the right thing anyways
[14:32] <alecu> sergiusens: no, that --debug is not understood by the scope
[14:33] <alecu> sergiusens: if you want the debug messages on stderr, you'll need this env var: G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all
[14:33] <jdstrand> mzanetti: hey, whenever I start uauth, it always shows the first code-- I then have to press for a new code over and over and remember the last one I used to get to the next one
[14:33] <alecu> sergiusens: but in any case, they are logged into .cache/unity-scope-click.log
[14:34] <mzanetti> jdstrand: oh... damn :D
[14:34] <alecu> sergiusens: so, don't worry about re-running it with that env, just send me that log.
[14:34] <mzanetti> jdstrand: will fix
[14:34] <jdstrand> mzanetti: I think it needs to preserve state on shutdown in some way for the last code displayed
[14:34] <mzanetti> haha. intersting.. you're the first one to notice. gives some real usage statistic
[14:34] <jdstrand> hehe
[14:34] <mzanetti> yeah, right. I forgot to store the counters
[14:35] <jdstrand> mzanetti: I'm not sure how you are planning on fixing it-- but it would be great if on start it didn't show the last code, that would be easier to understand (ie, how the google one sorks)
[14:35] <jdstrand> s/sorks/works/
[14:36] <jdstrand> mzanetti: otherwise you have to remember if you entered the one that is being displayed
[14:36] <mzanetti> jdstrand: yeah, I agree
[14:36] <jdstrand> cool
[14:36] <jdstrand> mzanetti: thanks! also, I noticed that it still had the networking policy group in the recent update
[14:36] <mzanetti> jdstrand: ok. will try to find the time tonight
[14:36] <jdstrand> mzanetti: thanks! :)
[14:36] <mzanetti> jdstrand: yes. and I also didn't add the camera policy yet
[14:37] <mzanetti> jdstrand: is it actually called "camera" ?
[14:38] <jdstrand> mzanetti: yes
[14:47] <systime> A question about file system layout: I flashed touch a few days ago, then proceeded to flash a new recovery and cyanogenmod over it.  Then today I flashed touch again.  I noticed that my wifi creds and ssh keys were still present from my initial touch flash.
[14:48] <ogra_> you need to flash with --no-backup to wipe the writable side (if you care to)
[14:48] <systime> ah, gotcha.. Thanks.
[15:08] <cpatrick08> I ran phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel-stable --no-backup on my grouper device and I get message Rom may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix? should I choose yes, no or go back
[15:08] <egonik66> Hi, Support Ubuntu Touch Nexus 7 2013 LTE 32GB ?
[15:09] <cpatrick08> egonik66: just nexus 7 2012 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Supported_devices_and_codenames
[15:11] <cpatrick08> I ran phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel-stable --no-backup on my grouper device and I get message Rom may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix? should I choose yes - disable flash recovery,  no or go back
[15:13] <egonik66> And when it will be supported?
[15:15] <cpatrick08> egonik66: not sure sorry
[15:30] <lool> mandel_: Pong, albeit on leave til Thursday included; perhaps I can help quickly though?
[15:31] <mandel_> lool, just asking if I can set the u-d-m 0.3 as released and set the version number to be 0.4 for the next cycle
[15:33] <lool> mandel_: You can bump versions at any time in bzr when you think it's useful; just merge a changelog update setting the changelog to UNRELEASED with 0.3+xyz as the version
[15:34] <lool> mandel_: The next cu2d run will reupload latest bzr rev to PPA and use the new version template from the changelog
[15:34] <mandel_> lool, ok, just checking, I did not want to screw up any of he current processes
[15:34] <mandel_> lool, I'll tak the current revno as 0.2 in case we need to work with it
[15:35] <lool> mandel_: Err no
[15:35] <sergiusens> lool, mandel_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#I.27m_bumping_the_upstream_version.2C_what_should_I_do.3F
[15:35] <lool> mandel_: not sure what you mean with take the current revno
[15:35] <lool> mandel_: but 0.2 is lower than 0.2+xyz, and you should never go down in version numbers
[15:36] <mandel_> lool, no no, tagging the current revno in bzr as 0.2+what ever so that we can easily get back to it for backports etc..
[15:37] <lool> mandel_: It's not done automatically by cu2d?
[15:38] <lool> mandel_: indeed not
[15:38] <mandel_> lool, nope
[15:38] <mandel_> lool, it might be a nice feature to add to cu2d
[15:39] <lool> mandel_: Ah I know why it doesn't tag
[15:39] <lool> mandel_: Because there might have been upstream changes between the time the snapshot was taken and the time the changelog merge proposal was merged
[15:39] <lool> mandel_: So yeah, you might want some kind of upstream tag
[15:39] <mandel_> lool, yes, I do :)
[15:39] <lool> mandel_: Maybe check with landing team how other branches handle this
[15:40] <mandel_> will do to make sure everything works correctly
[15:40]  * lool &
[15:42] <dpm> hi cyphermox, around? I've got an issue whereby when I enable data on my phone (N4) it doesn't quite work. Even in areas with good connection it shows an icon for less than a sec (e.g. 3G) and then the icon disappears and shows no network. Am I hitting a known issue? Is there any way I can debug this?
[15:42] <lool> mandel_: Forgot to ask, I dont see an ubuntu-download-manager update in saucy-proposed/saucy-updates; perhaps you want to check that the debug logs are fixed in the next image, whether it's a saucy or a trusty one
[15:43] <mandel_> lool, will do, the code was merged.. maybe it was not released
[15:51] <vincentbosch> Anyone started on the Note 10.1 2014 (SM-P600) yet, now it has been rooted?
[15:51] <cpatrick08> I was wondering if I could multiboot android with the ubuntu-system images
[15:52] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch Porting - Audio | http://askubuntu.com/q/363153
[15:55] <cpatrick08> I was wondering if I could multiboot android with the ubuntu-system images
[15:57] <tvoss> ogra_, ping
[15:57] <ogra_> yes
[15:59] <om26er> ogra_, your touch-image-stats seem broken for the latest entry
[15:59] <om26er> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/20131021.1.changes is empty
[15:59] <ogra_> om26er, yep, known ... i'll fix it before end of my day
[16:00] <ogra_> (thats what you get for hardcoding release names in img and manifest files :P)
[16:01] <om26er> good then/
[16:02] <cyphermox> dpm: I don't know. Could you file a bug and attach /var/log/syslog and possibly the output of /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-contexts
[16:03] <dpm> cyphermox, ok, will do, thanks
[16:11] <ttoine> ogra_, http://www.bonitasoft.org/blog/tutorial/bonita-platform-running-on-a-smartphone/
[16:11] <ttoine> ogra_, we did it: we ran a java application server on the galaxy nexus ;-)
[16:12] <ttoine> thank you for the support last friday, I credited you, so
[16:12] <cpatrick08> I was wondering if I could multiboot android with the ubuntu-system images
[16:13] <ogra_> ttoine, awesome !
[16:14] <ttoine> ogra_, just to let you know, the tomcat 6 package is brocken for Ubuntu Touch
[16:14] <ttoine> so we had to cheat a bit
[16:14] <ttoine>  but open jdk7 is ok
[16:15] <ttoine> ogra_, by the way, would you know if the desktop is displayed if I connect a hdmi cable ?
[16:15] <ttoine> or is it still a feature to come N?
[16:15] <ogra_> yeah
[16:15] <ogra_> thats far out
[16:15] <ttoine> ok
[16:15] <ttoine> ogra_, you have a personnal blog or something were I can put a link to you ?
[16:15] <ogra_> the next 6 months we'll stabilize and improve what we have ...
[16:16] <ttoine> or the simple credit is enough ?
[16:16] <ogra_> after thats done we'll go for convergence
[16:16] <ogra_> the simple credit is enough
[16:16] <ogra_> lol
[16:16] <ogra_> awesome idea to create sysvinit links for ssh
[16:17] <mfisch> ogra_: how can we setup manual gating on customzied builds now that we have a test suite?
[16:17] <ttoine> more easy than adb, then
[16:17] <ogra_> mfisch, manual gating ?
[16:18] <ogra_> mfisch, i assume thats only for your own packages ?
[16:18] <mfisch> ogra_: a human is still responsible for moving images from proposed to daily, right?
[16:18] <ogra_> yeah
[16:18] <mfisch> we have devel-customized and devel-proposed-customized
[16:18] <ogra_> ah, right
[16:19] <mfisch> eventually we want to mirror what is done for non-customized ones since we have a test suite now
[16:19] <ogra_> well, currently it is only possible to publish from one channel to the other if you have access to the cdimage server
[16:19] <ogra_> so you would need one member of the ubuntu-cdimage team to do it for you
[16:19] <ogra_> not sure if stgraber has planned an api or some such for this
[16:19] <ogra_> so that non cdimage people could do it
[16:20] <ogra_> mfisch, i think we'll keep the human involvement for this cycle for the official images still
[16:21] <mfisch> right now the image gets promoted when the daily gets promoted, so I guess we'd be a 2nd gating function
[16:21] <ogra_> thats only because i call both release scripts together
[16:21] <ogra_> cdimage and system-image use two different scripts
[16:22] <ogra_> they could theoretically run completely distinct
[16:22] <mfisch> will you be in Oakland?
[16:22] <ogra_> nope
[16:22] <stgraber> ogra_: nope, trusty-customized and trusty-proposed-customized are a bit special in that regard. They are both based on the non-customized channel and auto-publish new images when a new customization tarball appears on Jenkins
[16:23] <stgraber> so I guess what mfisch wants is for that automation be stopped on trusty-customized and move to manual publishing for that one (copy-image)
[16:23] <mfisch> stgraber: trusty-customized is the daily image (non-proposed) + the latest bundle?
[16:23] <stgraber> though that means going through ubuntu-cdimage every time
[16:23] <stgraber> mfisch: correct
[16:23] <mfisch> stgraber: we'll still have -proposed
[16:23] <mfisch> stgraber: lets discuss more in Oakland if you'll be there, this is not urgent
[16:23] <mfisch> just on my radar today
[16:24] <stgraber> mfisch: I won't be there
[16:24] <mfisch> hah, ok
[16:24] <mfisch> less beers for me to buy then ;)
[16:24] <stgraber> ;)
[16:24] <Laney> I'll have them
[16:25] <mfisch> stgraber: we would likely only move to the daily image 1-2x a week at most, keep it stable for demos
[16:26] <mfisch> Laney: sure thing, there's a great belgian beer place right by the hotel
[16:26] <Laney> :P
[16:27] <Laney> Was joking, however if you're referring to the Trappist then yes we must make a trip there
[16:27] <mfisch> I just finished making a Belgian pale myself, but the real belgians do it much better than me
[16:38] <AskUbuntu> Restoring Android when nothing launches | http://askubuntu.com/q/363183
[16:43] <tvoss> Saviq, grabbing dinner, then I will iterate https://code.launchpad.net/~thomas-voss/unity-mir/less-aggressive-scores/+merge/191440
[17:24] <AskUbuntu> permanently disable bluetooth | http://askubuntu.com/q/363204
[17:38] <mbnoimi> Does ubuntu touch supports same applications of usual desktop apps?
[17:39] <ogra_> no
[17:39] <winb> because of xmir ?
[17:40] <popey> the phone doesn't ship xmir
[17:41] <t1mp> mbnoimi: it would not be a good idea to support the usual desktop apps that were designed on a large screen with a mouse and keyboard
[17:41] <t1mp> s/on/for
[17:42] <mbnoimi> t1mp: I just asking. I'm Qt developer so I wonder if my Qt desktop apps will run directly on Ubunut touch
[17:44] <t1mp> mbnoimi: qt should work, but I don't know if it is possible to use QtWidgets.
[17:44] <t1mp> mbnoimi: I'd recommend Qt5 with QML :)
[17:46] <dobey> qml uses qt widgets
[17:47] <dobey> so yes, you can write C++ apps with Qt to work on the phone. but you need to design the UI a bit differently and such, than you would for a typical mouse/keyboard system
[17:49] <mbnoimi> t1mp: I'm using Qt5 Widgets
[17:54] <deimusmeister> hello all
[18:01] <deimusmeister> when trying to resotre the androing on nexus 4, it fails with following message
[18:01] <deimusmeister> archive does not contain boot.sig
[18:02] <deimusmeister> archive does not contain recovery.sig
[18:02] <melvster> i havent yet worked out how to get qtcreator apps onto the phone ... the docs say to ssh, but you dont seem to be able to do that now, and then hit ctrl+12 which im not sure what that does, but doesnt work over adb
[18:02] <alecjw> Hi there, I've installed ubuntu touch on my gnex and am trying to revert to cyanogenmod. Is it possible to enable adb in ubuntu touch? Else, how can i transfer the zipfile image to the phone?
[18:02] <deimusmeister> failed to allocate XXXXXXX bytes
[18:02] <deimusmeister> error : update package missing system.img
[18:03] <Fnsnt> hi
[18:11] <alecjw> edit: think i've got it now
[18:16] <ryukafalz_> I haven't installed the release on my nexus 7 yet, but does it now have a software center-ish thing?
[18:24] <Red_> Hello, can someone help me dealing with a restoring issue?
[18:25] <systime> deimusmeister: I think you'll need to flash the boot, system, and recovery img's separately via fastboot
[18:31] <jemy> Anyone updated to the 21.10-build yet? For me the command as usal does not work anymore. (It gives me: Already retrieved. Nothing to do)
[18:32] <okan> hi
[18:32] <jemy> The command I used:     phablet-flash ubuntu-system
[18:32] <okan> http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install is using galaxy s3 ?
[18:38] <Red_> Guys, my nexus does not boot. It stalls at Googles loading screen
[18:39] <Red_> this is after i tried ubuntu touch
[18:41] <Red_> help?
[18:42] <AskUbuntu> Restoring android after ubuntu touch fails | http://askubuntu.com/q/363254
[18:43] <jemy> Red_, Did Ubuntu Touch boot once?
[18:43] <Fnsnt> How can i Install the newest Ubuntu Touch Version on my Nexus 4 without having ubuntu PC?
[18:44] <Fnsnt> can anyone help me?
[18:44] <Red_> jemy, yes!
[18:44] <systime> Fnsnt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Download_.26_Installation
[18:45] <Fnsnt> thx alot!
[18:45] <jemy> Is it nexus 4?
[18:46] <Red_> a nexus 7
[18:50] <Fnsnt> what does adb mean in the description?
[18:51] <Fnsnt> i think it means android debugging or sth like this but what do i have to do there
[18:52] <t1mp> Fnsnt: you are right, adb is android debug bridge.
[18:52] <t1mp> Fnsnt: but 'adb' is the command that you need to run.
[18:52] <Fnsnt> where do i need to run it?
[18:52] <t1mp> Fnsnt: so you must have it installed and you  need to execute the commands exactly as written there
[18:52] <Fnsnt> cuz it is said to be manally
[18:52] <Fnsnt> where to execute the commands?
[18:53] <t1mp> Fnsnt: did you execute this part of step one? sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[18:53] <t1mp> Fnsnt: then you should have the adb command.
[18:53] <t1mp> Fnsnt: I think it doesn't matter from where to execute it.
[18:53] <t1mp> Fnsnt: you run it on your desktop, and it will connect to your device and execute the commands you give it.
[18:54] <t1mp> Fnsnt: you can execute the commands from your homedir
[18:54] <Fnsnt> on windows?
[18:55] <t1mp> Fnsnt: ah the manual is for Ubuntu. I don't know about Windows.
[18:55] <Fnsnt> oh got it
[18:55] <kgunn> ricmm: can you approve https://code.launchpad.net/~kgunn72/platform-api/bump-mir-dep16/+merge/191552
[18:55] <rbelem> Fnsnt, install the android sdk if you r not running ubuntu http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
[18:55] <t1mp> Fnsnt: sorry for the confusion
[18:55] <melvster> is ssh to device discouraged right now?
[18:55] <Fnsnt> no problem
[18:55] <kgunn> i realized that didrocks wanted me to shepherd their merge in
[18:56] <rbelem> Fnsnt, with that you will get adb and fastboot
[18:56] <Fnsnt> yeah just downloaded
[18:57] <t1mp> Fnsnt: are you trying to install it from an ubuntu desktop? or windows?
[18:57] <Fnsnt> windows
[18:57] <t1mp> Fnsnt: I guess that is possible, but I never did it so I cannot help you.
[18:57] <Fnsnt> i downloaded Minimal ADB and Fastboot
[18:58] <Fnsnt> from chipp
[18:58] <Fnsnt> chip
[18:58] <Fnsnt> i think this will work
[18:58] <systime> Fnsnt: You should be able to run "adb" and "fastboot" from the windows command line
[19:00] <kgunn> mterry: would you mind approving https://code.launchpad.net/~kgunn72/unity-system-compositor/bump-mir-dep16
[19:01] <mterry> kgunn, looking
[19:02] <kgunn> mterry: just sometime before eod
[19:02] <kgunn> mterry: just to get it staged
[19:02] <mterry> kgunn, approved, I assume you will top-approve when you want it all to land?
[19:03] <kgunn> mterry: precisely...i got 2 other mp's in unity-mir & platform-api to get sorted first
[19:03] <mterry> kgunn, I was looking at u-s-c earlier today, and it looked like it might need some code changes to match mir trunk...  I don't suppose you've test built it?
[19:06] <kgunn> mterry: uh....nope
[19:07] <kgunn> mterry: just to be sure....lp:mir no longer pointing to mir-team/mir/trunk
[19:07] <kgunn> mterry: now points to ~mir-team/mir/trusty
[19:08] <kgunn> mterry: not that that helps address any update needs....but not sure if bzr is smart enough
[19:08] <kgunn> if you've been working on a previously branched code base
[19:17] <mterry> kgunn, I'll try again
[19:26] <x220t_user> hello, im using ubuntu 13.10 server with xfce on my lenovo 220 tablet. is it possible to use touch/core apps without installing unity?
[19:28] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, yes indeed, you just need the sdk runtime
[19:29] <x220t_user> pmcgowan, do you mean the qt environment?
[19:29] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, yes plus the ui-toolkit, apt-get install ubuntu-sdk-libs should do it
[19:30] <pmcgowan> that will bring in qt5
[19:30] <x220t_user> okay, i'll give it a try, mom
[19:33] <Fnsnt> which cdimage do i have to use for my nexus 4 on this site? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/saucy/daily-preinstalled/20131018/
[19:33] <Fnsnt> the mako images?
[19:37] <mterry> kgunn, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity-system-compositor/mir-fixes/+merge/192042 should supercede your branch
[19:37] <mterry> kgunn, it bumps required Mir, along with build fixes
[19:37] <kgunn> mterry: ok...i can update my branch
[19:38] <x220t_user> pmcgowan, just installed sdk runtime and ubuntu touch-collection via ppa, tried to run touch-minesweeper, but no luck. the command to run was qmlscene /usr/share/minesweeper-touch/minesweeper.qml
[19:38] <kgunn> mterry: oh...wait so you bumped
[19:38] <x220t_user> let me take a closer look
[19:39] <mterry> kgunn, yeah, we shouldn't need your branch if mine lands
[19:39] <kgunn> mterry: got it
[19:39] <mterry> kgunn, and yours shouldn't land without the build fixes anyway
[19:39] <systime> Fnsnt: The four that have mako in the name, and this one: saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip
[19:42] <Fnsnt> thx!
[19:43] <x220t_user> pmcgowan, it tells me: qmlscene: could not find a Qt installation of '' - according to askubuntu.com it seems, that i have no Ubuntu Toolkit components. Are these a part of ubuntu-sdk-libs?
[19:44] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:45] <x220t_user> and: by accessing the ubuntu toolkit 0.1 on developer.ubuntu.com im getting server error..
[19:46] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, you should have this installed qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin
[19:47] <x220t_user> im rigth on that way :)
[19:49] <x220t_user> pmcgowan: installed the whole ubuntu-ui-toolkit, that includes the qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin, still no luck
[19:50] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, this may be a clue http://askubuntu.com/questions/342751/qt-code-for-u-touch-returns-qmlscene-cannot-find-qt-installation-of
[19:50] <pmcgowan> seems the config is somehow not correct
[19:56] <x220t_user> pmcgowan, that worked. so it seems i have three different "versions" of qt: qt5-x86_64-linux-gnu, qt5, 5. By passing the right version over the arg, makes the app running.
[19:57] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, that should have just worked, can you log a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/
[19:58] <lilix> Hello all I need some help for the installation of ubuntu touch on my Nexus 4
[19:59] <x220t_user> pmcgowan, is there the way to set the default qt version?
[19:59] <lilix> when I install with phablet-flash tool the phone reboot and give me an error "can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command
[20:00] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, I am not sure how to fix it up, if you check here tomorrow ping Mirv and he can tell us
[20:01] <lilix> nobody know how to fix that here ?
[20:02] <melvster> lilix: I think that should be a warning not an error
[20:02] <x220t_user> kk, i'll send a bug report and  for the first time i'll use the ugly workaround by adding the right qt arg for every app command in menu..
[20:02] <melvster> see: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/09/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt
[20:02] <sergiusens> lilix, pmcgowan are you looking for QT_SELECT=qt5 ?
[20:03] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, lilix has a different issue
[20:03] <sergiusens> lilix, sorry
[20:03] <sergiusens> x220t_user, ^^
[20:03] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, but thats not generally set is it?
[20:03] <sergiusens> lilix, how are you flashing?
[20:03] <lilix> with the official tutorial on ubuntu.com
[20:03] <melvster> lilix: also https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1241568
[20:04] <lilix> I will join the bug report right now^
[20:05] <melvster> lol even stuart had that bug so i guess it'll get fixed soon :)
[20:05] <x220t_user> sergiusens: yay! exporting QT_SELECT did the job
[20:05] <sergiusens> stgraber, I'm going to be removing the can't find ubuntu_commands message from the android ui, seems to be confusing people
[20:05] <sergiusens> x220t_user, great
[20:05] <sergiusens> stgraber, do you have any objections?
[20:06] <sergiusens> we can log it in the recovery logs instead
[20:06] <x220t_user> so does that seems to be a bug, that QT_SELECT var ist by default set to ''?
[20:06] <x220t_user> *is
[20:06] <sergiusens> x220t_user, it's set by default to qt5 for the phablet user
[20:07] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, this is on desktop so its not set at all
[20:07] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, do we need to have it set?
[20:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, oh, desktop... well that may affect the qt4 apps
[20:07] <x220t_user> sergiusens, i have ubuntu server + naked xfce4 on it
[20:07] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, x220t_user I'm guessing this is a case where you would need to wrap it
[20:08] <pmcgowan> I have desktop and its not set either, not sure why we need it
[20:08] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, it selects if you would use qt4 or qt5; remember that qmlscene is a dev tool
[20:09] <x220t_user> pmcgowan, well it is useful for convertible laptops like lenovos x22* Tablet or some HP devices a.s.o.
[20:09] <stgraber> sergiusens: I'm fine with removing it
[20:09] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, with it not set it works fine here
[20:09] <pmcgowan> x220t_user, agreed
[20:10] <sergiusens> pmcgowan, you might have qt5 dev packages installed
[20:10] <pmcgowan> likely I do
[20:18] <lilix> sergiusens just a question my problem it's just a warning and I need to waite several time to finish the installation or it is not possible for me to install ubuntu touch on my phone(Nexus 4)?
[20:34] <szymon_w> Are new builds for UT based on 14.04 yet ?
[20:56] <w-flo> szymon_w, yes, this is a trusty bild apparently: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/20131021.1/
[20:58] <szymon_w> w-flo, thanks
[23:19] <pandeiro> what js runtime does ubuntu touch use?
[23:20] <bef0rd> I'm guessing Qt's
[23:23] <pandeiro> and can an ubuntu-touch device's filesystem be mounted on a linux computer over USB?