[00:28] <cmaloney> I think everytime someone mentions pattern a kitten gets its face blown off with a shotgun
[00:32] <waf> relevant article http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?DesignPatternsAreMissingLanguageFeatures
[00:35] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I agree with that either
[00:35] <cmaloney> I think of patterns the same way that I think of "poetry" or "sonnet"
[00:36] <cmaloney> Someone writes a sonnet: it conforms to certain expectations and certain "rules"
[00:36] <cmaloney> ergo it falls under the literary taxonomy of "sonnet"
[00:37] <cmaloney> but if someone decides to deviate from it, it's technically no longer a sonnet
[00:37] <cmaloney> bad poetry? That's a different argument altogether
[00:37] <cmaloney> but folks could argue until the sun explodes on whether it's a sonnet, or something else.
[00:38] <cmaloney> And that doesn't change the fact that I think most modern poetry is shit.
[00:41] <waf> "design pattern" is has a loose definition, so i suspect both sides of the argument could come up with supporting examples
[00:41] <cmaloney> yep
[00:41] <waf> but regardless, i find that mapping of patterns -> language features pretty fascinating
[00:41] <cmaloney> I think it's an overloaded (and potentially charged) term
[01:43] <derekv> yes (to all comments.  except the assesment of most poetry.  on which I reserve my opinion at this time.)
[01:43] <derekv> "there was once a man named dave..."
[12:46] <cmaloney> GOod morning
[12:55] <jjesse> morning
[14:44] <ColonelPanic001> 'morning
[14:51] <cmaloney> Morning
[15:50] <jrwren> GOOD MORNING #ubuntu-us-mi !!!
[15:50] <greg-g> you're up late
[15:51] <jrwren> oh i've been up and working for a little while. Just too busy to check irc until now
[15:52] <greg-g> jrwren: unfortunately for me, irc == work sometimes
[15:53] <jrwren> our irc server is private. I use a different irssi in a different tmux, so I service that IRC separately.
[15:57] <greg-g> jrwren: good idea...
[15:57] <greg-g> I've begun thinking about delineating myself to two or more identities
[15:57] <greg-g> I have two (well 3) browser profiles (one for work, one for personal, and one for banking only)
[15:58] <greg-g> that's mostly because of my work's use of hosted gmail/gapps accounts, and I didn't want to mix the streams there
[15:59] <jrwren> i like to work and bank at places where that isn't necessary :)
[15:59] <jrwren> but I did hear work might be getting a little crazy on that.
[15:59] <cmaloney> I use a separate browser for my banking
[15:59] <cmaloney> though a separate profile might be handy if there's no danger of overlap
[15:59] <jrwren> I'm not sure if I'm willing to start looking for different work if they force me to run some agent on my work cmoputer.
[16:00] <cmaloney> At ALU they had some special VPN client nonsense that you needed to run in order to use their network
[16:01] <cmaloney> but at least they gave me a laptop that was already configured.
[16:01] <greg-g> oh geez, we don't have that issue, but it's mostly my own paranoia of "oh wait, this youtube I'm watching about whatever over lunch, is this being recorded by my personal or work google account?"
[16:01] <cmaloney> Ford's network was a little more strict. You had to route all of your traffic through there.
[16:18] <jrwren> i'm crazy:https://gist.github.com/jrwren/7086567
[16:29] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yes
[17:19] <greg-g> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/10/21/rfp-new-datacenter-continental-us/
[17:20] <jrwren> https://plus.google.com/+GoogleIdeas/posts/YW3mAmovYgF  www.digitalattackmap.com/   <-- my data
[19:49] <cmaloney> http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2008/10/20/mgk-versus-his-adolescent-reading-habits/
[19:49] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^^
[20:25] <rick_h_> cmaloney: lol