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[10:27] <zequence> micahg: Thanks. So, when I backport ardour3, lv2 should automatically be included as a dependency
[10:28] <zequence> I got it built for raring now. It required 4 additional packages to be backported from saucy
[10:29] <zequence> pbuilder did not work for me. I always seem to have trouble with that (it errored on some jack dependencies that didn't seem to make sense)
[12:31] <smartboyhw> zequence, when will you do your "release announcement"?
[12:33] <smartboyhw> Not an exact urge, but since we're now open for development;)
[12:48] <zequence> smartboyhw: I reconsidered
[12:48] <zequence> But, I'm working on starting the next cycle of development
[12:49] <zequence> Just very busy. Lots to do
[13:26] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[15:52] <zequence> Ok, it seems backporting is not such a great option as I thought
[15:53] <zequence> bug 888665
[15:53] <ubottu> bug 888665 in Launchpad itself "Backports can't build-depend on other backports" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/888665
[15:53] <zequence> bug 1242721
[15:53] <ubottu> bug 1242721 in raring-backports "Please backport ardour3 3.4~dfsg-3ubuntu1 (universe) from saucy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242721
[15:55] <zequence> OvenWerks: bug 1242417
[15:55] <ubottu> bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417
[15:56] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ubuntu devs are looking into that, cjwatson among others, but I'm being happily ignorant about what the issue is for the time being
[16:04] <zequence> What's the point in backporting, when you can only backport something that doesn't build-depend on other backports?
[16:05] <zequence> I'm forgetting that backports exists fro now
[16:11] <zequence> We should probably start our own backports-ppa for our users
[16:11] <zequence> Or, discuss it
[16:27] <ttoine> zequence, I am in discussion with spreadshirt so they would remove the non licenced artwork
[16:28] <ttoine> bye
[21:56] <OvenWerks> zequence: we can change grub distributor back to Ubuntu and still keep the low latency stuff. I can also put the word studio in the somewhere too. We should be able to replace one of the grub packages with ubuntustudio-grub if we want it to be the nicest looking.
[21:59] <OvenWerks> However, kubuntu does not use "ubuntu" and xubuntu is looking at changing too. So it is something that needs looking at. I think the ubuntu version of grub is different enough from debian already that "doing a patch upstream" would be meaningless
[22:08] <OvenWerks> The reality is the UEFI and the words that make up the menu should have no connection. That kind of connection makes setting a language other than english impossible. Everything else is multi lingual and grub should be to.
[22:09] <OvenWerks> The grub menu should not be confusing, but right now it is. This is why we had to change it.
[22:09] <OvenWerks> Personally, I don't think it has been changed enough yet :)
[22:28] <zequence> OvenWerks: The comment from cjwatson was something about that he had wanted to know about this new habit of changing grub the way it has been changed
[22:28] <zequence> I'm thinking they are doing something to enable what we want to do in another way
[22:29] <zequence> OvenWerks: Might be good to follow the progress of that bug, and see where the discussions lead
[22:33] <zequence> OvenWerks: Ubuntu changes to GRUB have been done upstream too
[22:34] <zequence> I noticed Debian GRUB is now the same as Ubuntu GRUB in how it displays the menu
[22:34] <zequence> And I'm sure that Ubuntu devs would like for GRUB to work well for all of us
[22:39] <OvenWerks> zequence: I will have to look again at the debian source.
[22:40] <OvenWerks> I will have to look also at the grub2 source.