[00:10] <Noskcaj> knome, Has there been any progress on xubuntu t-shirts and (possibly) mugs? 
[00:14] <Noskcaj> And can we add the idea of a t-shirt where we have just a small version of the logo on the breast pocket? Then we'll have something that doesn't scream "I AM THE ULTMATE FOSS NERD"
[00:15] <Noskcaj> Also, http://opentshirts.com/ looks like an interesting place to get the t-shirts
[00:16] <Noskcaj> (i don't really understand it though)
[00:19] <Noskcaj> It turns out http://www.zazzle.com.au/xubuntu+tshirts is already selling our stuff
[00:24] <brainwash> Noskcaj: hey, are you familiar with xfpm?
[00:25] <Noskcaj> brainwash, I don't remember what it stands for, if i did i might be
[00:25] <brainwash> xfce4-power-manager
[00:25] <brainwash> :)
[00:27] <Noskcaj> Sort of
[00:27] <Noskcaj> Nothing code related though
[00:28] <brainwash> so xfce4-power-manager lacks the ability to inhibit systemd's lid-close and power-button actions and I just want to know, if it's worth to spend some time to implement this functionality for saucy (a patch seems to exists, but wasn't accepted upstream as of now)
[00:29] <brainwash> bug 1222021
[00:29] <ubottu> bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021
[00:29] <brainwash> if no, I won't bother wasting my time
[00:29] <Unit193> brainwash: Another idea was to re-fork GPM and strip out all of Gnome.
[00:29] <Noskcaj> brainwash, Please do. That's been affecting me since may (when i upgraded to saucy). I've not been able to shut my lid since
[00:30] <Noskcaj> And it causes a heap of resume failure bugs too
[00:30] <brainwash> Noskcaj: there is an easy workaround, see last comment
[00:30] <brainwash> but it should work ootb
[00:31] <brainwash> and xfpm should be aware of systemd/logind, just like g-s-d
[00:31] <Noskcaj> It would be great if we could get a full support fix, but we should try to add the workaround to saucy and trusty ASAP
[00:32] <Unit193> brainwash: Oh, know of any resume issues needing me to  service network-manager restart  ?
[00:32] <Unit193> (Trusty is somewhat pre-dev.)
[00:32] <brainwash> yea......
[00:32] <Unit193> Not every time, but many. :P
[00:32] <brainwash> bug 1184262
[00:32] <ubottu> bug 1184262 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "[logind] stuck in PrepareForSleep, causing network and other services to not resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1184262
[00:33] <brainwash> Unit193: is only nm affected? the session (logind) is still fine?
[00:33] <Unit193> xscreensaver
[00:33] <Unit193> Only noticed nm.
[00:34] <brainwash> that bug report is strange anyway, I am the only one confirming that logind is the (indirect) cause
[00:36] <brainwash> and it does happen on two complete different machines, not often, maybe like 20% chance it will stop working properly after a resume
[00:38] <Unit193> I'd say more often for me.  Want me to try and check to see if it's still "sleeping"?
[00:38] <brainwash> checking the gdbus object?
[00:38] <Unit193> Yep.
[00:38] <brainwash> sure
[00:40] <brainwash> however, if this is the case, you won't be able to suspend again, or hibernate, or restart,..
[00:40] <brainwash> and nobody confirmed this yet
[00:41] <brainwash> but it would explain, why nm is stuck in sleep state
[00:41] <brainwash> because logind is too
[00:45] <brainwash> "PreparingForSleep = true"
[00:46] <brainwash> I'll try to restart logind
[00:49] <brainwash> yeah, works
[00:49] <brainwash> "PreparingForSleep = false"
[00:53] <Unit193> brainwash: No, when this happens all I need to do is restart nm, I have no issues sleeping again, or at  least the computer doesn't.
[00:53] <brainwash> ok
[00:54] <brainwash> so it will remain a mystery
[00:55] <Unit193> Menu says Network is disabled or somesuch, I'll have to see if I can wake it with nmcli.
[00:55] <brainwash> right, nm is stuck in sleep mode
[00:56] <brainwash> nmcli should work to wake it up
[00:56] <Unit193> Yep, should.
[00:57] <brainwash> so far nobody has provided any useful information or hints
[00:58] <Unit193> Heh, nor can I. :D
[00:58] <brainwash> expect me, but nobody confirmed by observations, and you cannot either
[00:58] <Unit193> Nope, I faaaail. :P
[00:59] <brainwash> well, did you actually check the value of PreparingForSleep?
[00:59] <brainwash> or weren't you able yet
[01:00] <Unit193> Not able yet.
[01:03] <brainwash> hopefully it can be resolved soon, I'm getting kinda bored of this little annoyance :)
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[08:47] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:09] <astraljava> Can anyone confirm the behaviour of Xfce4 Power Manager, in which it suspends a laptop when closing the lid, even when the setting tells it to just lock the screen?
[10:46] <brainwash> astraljava: bug 1222021
[10:46] <ubottu> bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021
[11:21] <brainwash> looks like there is someone affected by the overlay scrollbar issue -> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8370
[11:22] <brainwash> but I don't feel like creating s forum account there
[11:22] <brainwash> bug 1239014
[11:22] <ubottu> bug 1239014 in xfce4-settings (Ubuntu) "xfsettingsd unable to daemonize properly when overlay scrollbars are activated" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239014
[11:29] <brainwash> oh, nevermind.. I already created an account some time ago
[11:29] <brainwash> ochosi: check this http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6919
[12:31] <olbi> hi guys
[12:31] <olbi> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/10/xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator-fix.html
[12:32] <olbi> they write about fix :D
[13:17] <brainwash> now we need a fix for the bluetooth indicator, the printer applet, the message indicator also, and so on :P
[13:32] <ochosi> brainwash: i'm currently without internet mostly, will be until the mid/end of the week, so be patient and repeat your questions a bit later ;)
[14:07] <brainwash> ochosi: don't worry, my messages aren't _that_ important anyway :)
[14:09] <ochosi> brainwash: sure, but be sure to collect them somewhere
[14:21] <olbi> this isn't good when we have so many bugs in indicator :P
[14:21] <olbi> we should w8 with release :)
[14:24] <slickymaster> afternoon all
[16:32] <ali1234> brainwash: the bluetooth indicator is a different bug - it is broken in unity too
[16:32] <ali1234> the others don't exist in gtk2
[17:07] <brainwash> ali1234: right, so the bluetooth one is even broken in unity, well, haven't seen a single bug report about that yet
[17:09] <ali1234> because nobody uses blueman with unity
[17:09] <ali1234> the bug report is bug 1203888
[17:09] <ubottu> bug 1203888 in libappindicator (Ubuntu) "appindicator ignores menu entries after having sent the menu to the indicator" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203888
[17:16] <brainwash> ok, guess I'll bookmark that one too
[17:32] <ali1234>    51.7GiB [##########]  startxfce4.log
[17:32] <ali1234> ok, i don't like this
[17:33] <Unit193> Erm, that's not good.
[17:34] <brainwash> how is that possible?
[17:34] <ali1234> a bug
[17:34] <ali1234> not a bug in ubuntu though
[17:34] <brainwash> something flooding the log with messages?
[17:34] <ali1234> yes
[17:35] <ali1234> i just deleted it and it is up to 13M again already
[17:35] <brainwash> it's eating your hard drive :)
[17:37] <Unit193> ln -s to /dev/null
[17:37] <Unit193> :P
[17:37] <ali1234> fixed it now
[23:02] <brainwash> is apport broken? since quite some time I am not able to upload reports