[00:05] <Noskcaj> amerigena, You will need a launchpad account either way, but the best option is the run "ubuntu-bug PACKAGE" for whatever package has the issue
[00:06] <amerigena> Thank you.
[00:07] <amerigena> I assume that I'm going to have to install apport on the machine running saucy that's experiencing the bug, correct?
[00:07] <amerigena> I'm new at this;sorry.
[00:09] <Noskcaj> amerigena, 1. It's fine to be new, we all were once. 2. try running the command first, i'm not quite sure what the default installed programs are
[00:09] <Noskcaj> If not, then you'll need to install apport
[02:27] <audrey> on xubuntu 13.04 when i try to log in with any de or window manager i get a black screen then i get kicked back to the login manager. tried gdm and it hangs at a blue screen with the progress circle spinning with no login window ever appearing. tried purging nvidia-325 drivers with no difference in results. how do i fix tihs?
[04:43] <arthurfiggis> hello :) i noticed that xubuntu isn't defaulting to mir in 13.10...and i'm glad for that really, because for one i use an intel on-board chip for video, and intel isn't supporting mir any more :( are there plans to default to it in xubuntu in the future though? it seems like wayland will be better supported, if you can at least choose that over mir i suppose it won't be so bad
[04:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> arthurfiggis, http://askubuntu.com/questions/285787/does-the-change-to-mir-affect-other-ubuntu-derivates-like-xubuntu-or-kubuntu
[04:48] <arthurfiggis> Poisoned_Dragon: Thanks for the link...but from that page: "Edubuntu, Xubuntu & Ubuntu Kylin have not yet announced whether they will switch to Mir. " not sure if that clears it up :)
[04:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, it's still a complicated discussion.
[04:49] <cfhowlett> arthurfiggis, I suspect this initiative may be quietly dropped ...
[04:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just have to wait and see, I suppose.
[04:50] <arthurfiggis> cfhowlett: i hope so...not necessarily because of the project itself, but i haven't heard of any other major distro, or even ubuntu derivative that intends to support it...that'd be a lot of work for the people behind said derivatives, but i guess if it came down to it the community would just wind up maintaining x/wayland themselves
[04:51] <arthurfiggis> i just always go with nvidia or intel for video and it seems like neither are intending to support mir either, so if i were stuck with mir there wouldn't be many options for video left :(
[04:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I think it would be quite some time before you get "stuck" with Mir. A lot can happen between now and then.
[04:53] <Poisoned_Dragon> I wouldn't worry about it now.
[04:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> Especially if the ubuntu derivatives aren't in a hurry to adopt Mir.
[04:56] <arthurfiggis> Poisoned_Dragon: Well kubuntu certainly aren't, but i believe that's largely because (i think) kde doesn't actually run under mir...which is good reasoning, it seems like very little else does so far :) i'm using kubuntu now for that reason...wayland is what the community and the hardware manufacturers are getting behind for the most part
[04:58] <arthurfiggis> (sorry, apparently it's kwin that doesn't run under mir yet...but it's a fairly important component)
[07:02] <g2k> Hello?
[07:05] <cfhowlett> g2k, greetings
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[08:47] <xubuntu044> Hey guys, do you think using Xubuntu will have less to no crashes to Ubuntu with Unity?
[08:49] <cfhowlett> xubuntu044, "fewer" crashes?  hard to say.  depends on your configuration and use.  BUT xubuntu is optimized for older, lower spec machines.
[08:49] <cfhowlett> as is lubuntu
[08:51] <xubuntu044> My machines specs, arn't bad its just that when I was using Ubuntu and at some points my whole machine froze but this has not happened once with any other distro or windows.
[09:38] <MoL0ToV> i just updated to saucy... a lot of errors for python3
[09:45] <kai_> hi
[09:46] <kai_> i just upgraded to 13.10 and when i try to login now all i get is the background wallpaper and that's it :/
[09:46] <kai_> any ideas on how to fix this?
[10:28] <fractalsea> Does anyone know how to set up clickpads so that the clickable area does no move the mouse around?
[11:46] <bingo> hello. Is there a way to add a volume control to task bar?
[11:46] <doflow_> See #5 on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[11:46] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged]
[11:47] <bingo> but is there a workaround?
[11:47] <doflow_> see #5
[11:48] <bingo> ty
[11:48] <doflow_> np
[11:52] <qwertz__> any laptop users having trouble with power management in 13.10?
[11:53] <qwertz__> my laptop goes to sleep immediately after i close the lid or press the sleep button - i configured to it differently, though
[11:53] <qwertz__> is there anything i could do about that?
[12:00] <baizon> qwertz__: yes its a known bug
[12:00] <baizon> qwertz__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/362667/xubuntu-13-10-disabling-suspend-on-lid-being-closed
[12:01] <qwertz__> baizon, thanks!
[12:02] <qwertz__> hm, how does "Ask" translate to that config file's set of rules?
[12:03] <qwertz__> baizon,  do you think a bug fix is to be expected soon?
[12:05] <cfhowlett> qwertz_, before 14.04 for sure.
[13:12] <brainwash> qwertz_: here is the actual, bug report, bug 1222021
[13:12] <ubottu> bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Laptop sleeps when lid is closed, regardless of Power Manager Settings." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021
[13:13] <brainwash> it should be added to the askubuntu question
[13:26] <qwertz_> done
[13:43] <gdos> i get the following error message when trying to remove a package - http://pastebin.com/d2GsbqWN
[14:03] <Bosi> Hello everyone, I'm having trouble to stop xfce to reopen the applications that I left open when I shut down the pc. I already unmarked everything in Session and Startup, and I cleared out .cache/sessions/ with the command rm -rfv ~/.cache/sessions/ ... I thought it worked for a while, but it didn't... what else should I do?
[14:04] <knome> Bosi, have you unmarked the "save session" checkbox on the logout dialog?
[14:04] <Bosi> yup, everything is unmarked on that page.
[14:05] <knome> Bosi, you could try removing (backup!) ~/.config/xfce4-session
[14:06] <Bosi> ok
[14:06] <Bosi> thanks,
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[14:38] <kai_> hi, i'd like to ask once more:
[14:38] <kai_> i just upgraded to 13.10 and when i try to login now all i get is the background wallpaper and that's it :/
[14:38] <kai_> any ideas on how to fix this?
[14:41] <GridCube> kai_, press alt-f2 and type: xfwm4 --replace
[14:42] <GridCube> if that doesnt work press alt-f2 and type xfce4-panel --restart
[14:42] <kai_> the problem is that alt+f2 does not work
[14:42] <kai_> interesting thing is that i can log in as guest user without problems
[14:45] <GridCube> kai_, then log in as guest. do gksu thunar, go to your user folder and rename the .config and .local folders to anything else, relog as your user and those folders will respawn, then replace the contents of those folders with the original ones on the settings you wish to preserve and see if things break
[14:49] <kai_> okay, seems to work except it didn't restore my old settings
[14:49] <kai_> but that's okay :)
[14:49] <kai_> GridCube: thank you!
[14:50] <GridCube> kai_, as ai said, if you renamed the folders then you can import the settings you miss
[14:50] <GridCube> do it carefully so you wont import back the bug file that broke your sessions
[14:52] <kai_> well, i moved the backups of .config and .local back to those names and now i can log in but my old settings weren't preserved
[14:53] <kai_> i'll just set up my few customizations again, not a big deal
[14:56] <GridCube> kai_, :) god speed then!
[15:08] <kai_> okay two more things:
[15:08] <kai_> the sound indicator plugin in the top doesn't show anything as well as the bluetooth indicator
[15:09] <kai_> when i click on the a tiny white rectangle appears, that's it
[15:09] <kai_> oops
[15:10] <kai_> i meant to write: when i click on the indicator icon
[15:12] <GridCube> kai_, very anoying known bug 1208204
[15:12] <ubottu> bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204
[15:13] <kai_> GridCube: oh okay, so i guess i'll just wait and hope this will be fixed soon
[15:13] <GridCube> kai_, see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[15:13] <ubottu> bug 1238997 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Add support for GTK3 panel indicators" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238997
[15:14] <GridCube> kai_, probably once the things on this ^  are pushed forward
[15:15] <kai_> GridCube: oh okay, that second bug report explains why the blueooth indicator doesn't work as well
[15:15] <GridCube> exactly
[15:15] <GridCube> nothing that has a gtk3 indicator will work
[15:59] <gdos> i get the following error message when trying to remove a package - http://pastebin.com/d2GsbqWN
[16:02] <TheSheep> !bugs | gdos
[16:02] <ubottu> gdos: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.
[16:04] <helpme> hi all I cannot seen to see an audio indicator on my panel
[16:04] <helpme> oe anything obvious in the panel add section
[16:05] <TheSheep> helpme: do you have the indicator plugin added?
[16:07] <helpme> I am not sure
[16:07] <helpme> sorry yes I definately have
[16:08] <helpme> lol sorry I lie
[16:09] <GridCube> helpme,  very anoying known bug 1208204
[16:09] <ubottu> bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204
[16:09] <helpme> I have the notification plugin added
[16:09] <GridCube> see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[16:09] <ubottu> bug 1238997 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Add support for GTK3 panel indicators" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238997
[16:09] <g2k> Hello all.
[16:11] <GridCube> !hi | g2k
[16:11] <ubottu> g2k: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!
[16:14] <helpme> thank you giving it a go
[16:16] <g2k> hi (was making a coffee, sorry)
[16:16] <Unit193> That's the best reason to be AFK.
[16:17] <g2k> I am looking for help
[16:17] <killer> hey
[16:18] <killer> how can I change theme in xubuntu, any theme manager or sothing
[16:18] <g2k> running xubuntu 12.04, I have downloaded a few mouse themes and told the settings to resize cursor to 36pixels but NOTHING i do will change the mouse cursor size.
[16:19] <g2k> menu>settings>window manager for window theme...
[16:19] <g2k> menu>settings>appearance for icons and such
[16:20] <GridCube> g2k, "If the cursor doesn’t follow the theme set for 11.04 and above, try chmod +x ~/.Xdefaults. .Xdefaults also must be executable for Xfce 4.8, this is a change from Xfce 4.6."
[16:20] <g2k> menu>settings>desktop too
[16:21] <g2k> what does ~/ mean??
[16:21] <GridCube> ~/ means /home/yourusername/
[16:21] <g2k> ok
[16:22] <GridCube> as we dont know what your username is ~/ is used to stand for any user name
[16:22] <GridCube> the terminal knows that aswell :D
[16:23] <g2k> do i chmod that as user or root?
[16:25] <GridCube> try your user first
[16:26] <g2k> ok, it didnt throw an error once i did it as user, so now what do i want do?
[16:28] <dont-panic> can anyone tell me the right way to switch to awesome wm?  I tried awesome --replace at home but it complained about the notification area and loaded xfcepannel over awesome wm
[16:31] <g2k> the cursor has still not changed size?
[16:32] <g2k> its big in an application, but shrinks back to normal when i focus the desktop.
[16:37] <GridCube> dont-panic, try killall xfce4-panel
[16:37] <GridCube> and then "awesome --replace"
[16:38] <dont-panic> I'm at work... I'll have to try in a moment... how do I change back if that doesn't have the desired effect?
[16:42] <dont-panic> GridCube: I'm at work... I'll have to try in a moment... how do I change back if that doesn't have the desired effect?
[16:44] <GridCube> alt-f2: xfwm4 --replace && xfce4-panel --restart
[16:45] <dont-panic> GridCube: is there a way to add it to the login page swo I can start a awesome session?
[16:48] <GridCube> dont-panic, i would ask on an awesome channel
[16:49] <GridCube> like in #awesome for example
[16:50] <rtdos> CGI is loaded by apache2 correct?
[16:55] <GridCube> sorry to put it this way, but have you at least trying to search that in google?
[16:55] <Kaapa> hey there
[16:55] <Kaapa> having lots of troubles after 13.10 upgrade :(
[16:56] <Kaapa> from skype messing up with sound to xfce shortcut keys not working..
[16:56] <Kaapa> not a pleasent experience
[17:00] <dont-panic> what's the system manager program called?  the one that opens up keyboard and mouse settings and screens.. settings manager?
[17:00] <Kaapa> xfce4-settings-manager
[17:01] <dont-panic> thanks!
[17:16] <rtdos> GridCube: were you talking to me or dont-panic? if me 'cause for some reason apache2 starts then stops on my system.
[17:20] <g2k> anyone know how to force cursor size globally on xubuntu 12.04?
[17:20] <dont-panic> GridCube: thanks for the help... I got it running now with no problems as far as I can see. Thanks!
[17:20] <GridCube> rtdos, thats a different question than the one you make
[17:20] <GridCube> dont-panic, nice to hear
[17:21] <rtdos> both questions were related.
[17:22] <GridCube> rtdos, in any case :) you might get better more informed support at #ubuntu-server
[17:22] <rtdos> ok...  :)
[17:24] <g2k> chown +x blah blah had no effect at all.
[17:26] <g2k> somebody  must know where the config files are
[17:30] <g2k> Does anyone know how to force cursor size globally on xubuntu 12.04?
[17:39] <GridCube> !patience g2k
[17:40] <GridCube> !patience | g2k
[17:40] <ubottu> g2k: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/
[17:41] <g2k> those places DO give solutions but NONE of the solutions work on my system, I don't know why, it's a pretty vanilla install of xubuntu. Sorry if I appear impatient (wasn't my intent)
[17:56] <GridCube> maybe set the cursor theme globally in xorg https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cursor_Themes
[18:36] <Arpad2> I tried to upgrade to 13.10, but got error message 'Could not determine the upgrade'
[18:40] <rtdos> Arpad2: i had that same issue on one of my machines so i used the iso instead.
[18:41] <Arpad2> ok
[18:41] <Arpad2> I 'll try that way
[18:44] <m3kk> g2k'
[18:48] <xubuntu173> how can change language from en to ar
[18:49] <m3kk> Have you checked systemsettings xubuntu173
[18:49] <m3kk> Language and Local
[18:49] <m3kk> region perhaps
[18:50] <m3kk> "language support" direct from swedish
[18:52] <m3kk> How did one solve the grey volume-panel in 13.10 ? I cant remember what to search for
[18:53] <m3kk> indicator-plugin something?
[18:55] <GridCube> xubuntu173, go to the settings manager > language support. and add the AR language, then log out and relogin but choose a different locale from the login manager
[18:56] <GridCube> m3kk, bug 1208204, see comment 5 for an easy fix, comment 41 to a deeper fix, see bug 1238997 for a long term solution
[18:56] <ubottu> bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204
[18:56] <ubottu> bug 1238997 in xfce4-panel (Ubuntu) "Add support for GTK3 panel indicators" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238997
[18:58] <pAt_> GridCube, what do you mean by long term support? Will this bug keep to be unfixed so long?
[18:58] <m3kk> GridCube, ill just wit for update thanks anyway .
[18:58] <GridCube> i didnt say support
[18:58] <pAt_> solution
[18:59] <GridCube> m3kk, sadly thats the best way unless someone goes and build a ppa for it
[19:00] <m3kk> GridCube, doesnt bother me too much anyway. Thanks for trying to help thou
[19:00] <GridCube> m3kk, a simple thing you can do is to add a launcher for pavucontrol to the panel
[19:01] <GridCube> pAt_, its a solution as far as the files that you compile and install here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators arent replaced by an update
[19:04] <pAt_> GridCube, : so this will take place soon I guess, since there are many users out there, not being able to do such tasks :) I solved it already for me, thx.
[19:24] <fractalsea> Does anyone know how to set up clickpads so that the clickable area does no move the mouse around?
[19:50] <Bretos`> Unit193: as you wish
[19:50] <Bretos`> hello, I'm Bretos and I'm customising Xubuntu LiveCD to meet my needs. I want to disable mounting /dev/sda for normal user
[19:50] <Unit193> Bretos`: Cool.  OK, they could just reboot to change to defaults, but at least now you know fuse/gvfs is where to look.
[19:53] <m3kk> GridCube pavucontrol?
[19:56] <Kaapa> hey there
[19:56] <Kaapa> in 13.10, ass soon as I press the power button the laptop shuts down
[19:57] <Kaapa> instead of prompting the action (like it's configured to do in the settings)
[19:57] <Kaapa> anyone saw this?
[20:02] <bekks> Kaapa: Maybe some bios setting, too.
[20:05] <Kaapa> need to look.
[20:05] <Kaapa> thanks
[20:05] <Bretos`> ok another question, How can I make all Xubuntu's live cd live user's desktop icons disappear?
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[20:11] <m3kk> Bretos`, right click on desktop, chopse desktop > icons >icon type: None
[20:11] <m3kk> anyone managed to get chromium reacts correct with magnetlinks? i must open firefox to do it
[20:15] <Bretos`> m3kk: yeah... but how to hide them by editing livecd
[20:16] <knome> Bretos`, look in the xfce configuration files
[20:19] <Unit193> (/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/)
[20:25] <vrkalak> Unit193, do I know you?
[20:25] <Unit193> vrkalak: A little, yep.
[20:26] <Bretos`> huh, Have never seen such a great question...
[20:26] <vrkalak> I do know you ..  :D
[20:26] <Bretos`> "Do I know you?" :D:D
[20:27] <vrkalak> english is not forte
[20:29] <vrkalak> english not is my forte ... I speak "linux"
[20:34] <knome> vrkalak, do you have a support question?
[20:36] <vrkalak> knome, sorry, i don't
[20:40] <knome> !chat | vrkalak
[20:40] <ubottu> vrkalak: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, for all Xubuntu-related support questions. Please use #xubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[20:54] <rtdos> anyone here use dwww and or dhelp to view documentation or man pages?
[21:08] <dont-panic> how do I make it so when I log in, it drops to cli?
[21:10] <dont-panic> basically I'm trying to stop xfwm4 and xfce-panel from starting and make awesome wm start instead
[21:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> It would be easier to consider using the ubuntu net install and not install a DE other than awesome.
[21:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> You may not even want the desktop manager. So, no LightDM
[21:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Otherwise, you would have to remove the whole xfce DE and install awesome. Since awesome is still a DE having a a DM (LightDM) would still load to awesome. So, best to have no DM so that you get a CLI login prompt.
[21:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> then you can start awesome at your leisure.
[21:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, that's just me.
[21:32] <RJ45> I call upon the attention of Sysi:  !
[21:35] <RJ45> Sysi: IDK if you remember, but we (and a few others) were trying to get to the bottom of why my computer was randomly freezing completely beyond any intractability at-all,
[21:36] <dont-panic> Poisoned_Dragon: I'm at work.  I asked if I could reimage to debian... they said no
[21:36] <RJ45> well, not sure if this helps get to the bottom of things, but out of blind hope, I tried disabling everything to-do with Screensavers and Power Management in XFCE-Settings, and guess what, not a single freeze-up since! 0_0
[21:36] <RJ45>  22:32:54 up 3 days,  3:52,  1 user,  load average: 0.64, 0.55, 0.40
[21:36] <dont-panic> so now I gotta stick with xubuntu.  I wish you could choose awesome from the login screen
[21:38] <RJ45> Sysi: any clues what could be wrong?, maybe stupid motherboard offsets some clocks a tiny bit when awoken from suspend?, or something like that?
[21:38] <RJ45> also, anyone else, feel free to chime-in
[22:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> dont-panic, I think you can uninstall just xfwm4 and install awesome. Awesome is just a WM. Not a full DE.
[22:09] <dont-panic> Poisoned_Dragon: that'll effect other users though right?
[22:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe so. :(
[22:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> maybe you should make a usb based live session for yourself.
[22:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> With Puppy, or something similar.
[22:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> That you can put the stick in any computer.
[22:11] <dont-panic> Poisoned_Dragon: too slow and too many programs we use for getting out of our network and time card stuff
[22:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm.
[22:12] <dont-panic> my work is retarded, I'm the only one who uses this computer but they insist on having other acounts on here so managers can tail logs and stuff
[22:12] <dont-panic> and no one ever tails that stuff
[22:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> heh
[22:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Business at it's finest.
[22:12] <dont-panic> so I end up doing most of the stuff I wanna do from a server at home
[22:13] <dont-panic> +10 for tmux lol
[22:13] <dont-panic> it's b/c we're a internet security company in a call center building... gotta follow the rules that everyone else does, makes no sense
[22:14] <dont-panic> s/internet/email