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ScottKCan someone verify the raring KTP SRU please.01:21
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soeegood morning06:38
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apacheloggerRiddell: are you working again?08:32
apacheloggershadeslayer: ping for when you should decide to get out of bed :P08:33
jussihrm, Klipper, Kmix and Bluetooth all still need plasma UI's. is this something we have people to contribute to ?08:42
apacheloggerjussi: I am not sure I folllow08:47
jussiapachelogger: go to your system, click the battery icon, or the nm icon. you get pretty plasma stuff. the others you get a very standard looking menu type thing.08:48
apacheloggerthere never was the target of having plasma applet implementations for every tray app08:49
jussiie. http://i.imgur.com/20P53zp.png and http://i.imgur.com/1eCHXjw.png08:49
jussiapachelogger: would be nice to have it for the defaults though...08:50
apacheloggerin that case you will have to file bugs with the individual developers08:50
apacheloggerhow a bluedevil applet would be different from what it has now I do not know though :P08:51
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apacheloggerwhat's the blue thing that pops up?08:52
apacheloggerit's annoying as hell08:52
apacheloggerapport08:53
apacheloggerlove of my life08:53
jussiapachelogger: no, the powermanagement thing I screenshoted to show differences to the bluetooth thing08:56
apacheloggeryes08:57
apacheloggerthey don't do the same thign though08:57
apacheloggerScottK, shadeslayer: do you think there is a chance for 13.10.1 for bug 124241708:58
ubottubug 1242417 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124241708:58
Riddellapachelogger: I'm still at linuxcon today and tomorrow09:55
apacheloggerk09:55
jussiwhich desktop effect is this? http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/get_cface2.jpg09:57
shadeslayerapachelogger: I'd like a 13.10.1 if we can fix that10:19
apacheloggerwe do have a fix10:19
shadeslayerright, just finished reading the bug report10:21
shadeslayerI am for it10:21
apacheloggerso make it happen? :P10:23
shadeslayernot entirely sure of the procedure10:24
shadeslayerjust poke the release team?10:24
apacheloggerI guess10:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: Is the fix released btw?10:30
shadeslayersmartboyhw_: ping10:31
apacheloggernot yet I think10:31
shadeslayerapachelogger: cj says that installer probably fetches newer grub from network10:31
shadeslayer*probably*10:32
shadeslayeranyway, would like to smartboyhw_ then send a email to ubuntu-release10:33
smartboyhw_shadeslayer: yes?10:34
shadeslayersmartboyhw_: is ubuntustudio also affected by that EFI bug?10:34
smartboyhw_Actually, I have to deal with the bug on Studio's side too,10:34
shadeslayerexactly10:34
shadeslayerso do you want to get a respin done as well?10:34
smartboyhw_shadeslayer: The other two main developers have not yet replied about the sole problem on fixing the package, I need to wait for their reply.10:35
shadeslayerack, I'll draft something till you wait10:35
smartboyhw_shadeslayer: Great.10:36
apacheloggershadeslayer: the installer fetches grub-efi-amd64, that I did not see observe it fetching grub2-common10:41
apacheloggers/that/but10:41
apacheloggerwoah that sentence is screwed10:41
apacheloggers/see//10:41
kubotuapachelogger: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"10:41
shadeslayerthx for the brainfuck10:42
shadeslayerI am without coffee10:42
apacheloggerwanna do video in phonon5's halfway ripped apart api, cause I'll glaldy switch brainfucks :P10:42
shadeslayerno thx10:43
* shadeslayer passes around some awesome chocolate cake from his Birthday10:44
apacheloggeroh I missed your birthday10:44
apacheloggerzomg10:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: happy birthday and stuff10:44
shadeslayerthx10:44
apacheloggerkubotu: order beer for shadeslayer10:44
* kubotu gives shadeslayer a nice frosty mug of beer.10:44
shadeslayerbeer at quarter to 1?10:45
apacheloggerit's afternoon, time for beer I say10:45
shadeslayerare you trying to get me drunk so that I may not be able to do 13.10.1 good sir10:45
apacheloggerglTexImage2D(GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, GL_LUMINANCE, w, h, 0, GL_LUMINANCE, GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE, bits);10:45
apacheloggerone year ago I apparently knew what that did10:45
apacheloggernow I don't10:46
apacheloggerlife's a harsh mistress10:46
yossarianukso you are making a new .iso ?10:47
shadeslayermaybe10:48
shadeslayerI will send a request10:48
shadeslayerupto the release team to decide10:48
yossarianukcool - I hope they do or for the next 6 months  there will be a lot of people moaning about UEFI installation...10:52
shadeslayersmartboyhw_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6282318/10:52
yossarianukthanks to everybody who works on kubuntu !10:52
apachelogger(UEFI was broken in 13.04 ... no one complained)10:53
shadeslayerapachelogger: and now people are, so how about we fix it :)10:53
shadeslayeralso, 13.04 installed fine on my machine at some point ( somewhere between alpha and beta )10:54
shadeslayerso it did work10:54
apacheloggerjust saying, this is not as critical as one would think10:54
yossarianuk13.04 was fine with UEFI...10:54
shadeslayerbut I suppose you broke it at somepoint then10:54
yossarianukprevious versions had issues if you had ubuntu + kubuntu installed in UEFI... 13.04 was fine.10:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: I don't see how rebooting into grub recovery after a install is not critical :P10:54
yossarianukp.s - regarding not updating install .isos - Linus had something to say on that to the Fedora team...10:55
yossarianukhttps://plus.google.com/+LinusTorvalds/posts/GqUgcYcfQuV10:55
smartboyhw_shadeslayer: ACK10:55
yossarianukshadeslayer: I agree - how is a person new to Linux meant to be able to use Kubuntu 13.10....10:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: see incoming bugs?10:56
apacheloggerfrom where I am standing the battery applet showing 0% when in fact the battery is fully charged is more critical10:57
apacheloggergetting 5 mails a day on that10:57
yossarianukmaybe because people suffering the UEFI bug have given up after not being able to install the OS.....10:58
yossarianuk(my worry is people may try, fail then go back to windows.)10:59
apacheloggeroh god that muon thing11:00
apachelogger:@11:00
apacheloggershadeslayer: where's apol anyway?11:00
lordievaderGood afternoon.11:18
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BluesKajHowdy folks11:27
ScottKapachelogger: We can certainly SRU the fix.  I don't know about a 13.10.1.  If you do an install with internet access and check you want the upgrades, won't that be sufficient?11:29
ScottKWe've got no way to upgrade the ISO with just that fix, it'd be everything in -updates, so it'd have to be completely retested.11:30
apacheloggerxnox: would the installer try to update grub2-common of the base system?11:34
apacheloggerbecause I have not seen it try to though since we have no update that is kinda hard to proof ;)11:34
xnoxapachelogger: cjwatson already replied you to that question.11:35
xnoxapachelogger: i don't have any other information for you.11:35
apacheloggerScottK: ^11:37
ScottKapachelogger: Let's get the fix in the archive and then test it.11:38
apacheloggerfaire enough11:38
apacheloggershadeslayer: wanna do the SRU? :P11:38
smartboyhw_Can you guys give me the SRU diff (BEFORE YOU UPLOAD) so I can easily implement the same to Studio :P11:41
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ScottKsmartboyhw_: You can't.11:42
ScottKThere's already some partial support for this in Grub that's specific to Kubuntu, so the same fix wouldn't work.11:43
smartboyhw_ScottK: OK11:49
apacheloggersmartboyhw_: you cannot11:50
apacheloggersmartboyhw_: you'll have to talk to cj11:50
apacheloggerthe entire feature is depending on a bunch of special support in grub211:50
apacheloggerfor kubuntu11:50
shadeslayerapachelogger: apol is on a plane12:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: afaik we can't upgrade grub-common12:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: <cjwatson> shadeslayer: That checkbox actually isn't relevant here12:13
shadeslayer<cjwatson> It only applies to stuff in the livefs, which grub isn't12:13
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jussiso, it seems kde partition manager is broken/unworkable12:19
jussiat least I am unable to do anything with a USB stick on it. (and on a side note, why is it so hard to format a usb drive in kde)12:20
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apacheloggershadeslayer: grub2-comon is in the livefs12:35
shadeslayerwell then12:35
apacheloggershadeslayer: and that's where the key change is (grub-install)12:35
shadeslayerlets wait for the fix to land12:35
shadeslayerthen we can test somehow in VBox?12:35
apacheloggerwho's landing the fix anyway?12:35
apacheloggerI would rather like to focus on phonon for the rest of the week12:36
apacheloggerI am kinda behind because of all the .10 madness12:36
shadeslayerapachelogger: I thought you or cj was :S12:37
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apacheloggershadeslayer: cj wants us to do it12:39
apacheloggeralas, I can do it, but not today12:39
shadeslayeryeah because I totally know how grub2 works12:39
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shadeslayerapachelogger: how long would it take you :S12:40
apacheloggerit just needs a verbatim backport of the patch IMO12:40
BluesKajhmm, I saw what appeared to be a fix for the missing vpn icon connect indicator in an upgrade earlier today , but even after a reboot it doesn't appear, the disconnect indicator (a red circle with a line thru it) still appears on top of the ethernet icon12:40
apacheloggergrub-mkinstall is triggered by the postinst12:40
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apacheloggerand that will install the efi images into EFI/ubuntu with the patch12:41
shadeslayerokay12:41
apacheloggerwell, in an installation scenario grub-install is called by grub-installer/ubiquity, but the fact remains ;)12:42
apacheloggerfor upgrades systems it is triggered by the postinst and the actual on-disk result will be that both EFI/kubuntu and EFI/ubuntu are there, but the UEFI bootmanager entry should get updated to point to latter, so that's fine too12:42
shadeslayerk12:43
apacheloggeractually let me write the verification bit I have no idea in which konsole window I was poking around before getting distracted anway -.-12:48
shadeslayerapachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/p4659287913:06
shadeslayerdoes that look sane to you13:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah13:07
apacheloggeralthough13:07
apacheloggerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/trusty/grub2/trusty/revision/235913:07
apacheloggeralso has the change to install applied directly13:07
apacheloggernot sure why13:07
apacheloggershadeslayer: best just do a testbuild and see if grub-install looks ok ;)13:08
apacheloggershadeslayer: also series is saucy-proposed13:08
shadeslayersaucy is redirected to saucy-proposed no?13:08
shadeslayerapachelogger: <cjwatson> shadeslayer: so that for example I can "bzr blame" across both upstream and patches at once13:12
shadeslayerhooray13:17
shadeslayerVBox doesn't want to boot the ISO at all13:17
shadeslayerahh 13:19
shadeslayerstupid i386 ISO13:19
shadeslayerapachelogger: what other bugs btw?13:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: i386 doesn't have efi support btw13:28
shadeslayeryeah yeah13:28
shadeslayeramd64 doesn't boot as well fwiw13:28
apacheloggerI think that test case got a bit away from me13:28
apacheloggerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/124241713:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 1242417 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [High,In progress]13:28
apacheloggershadeslayer: yeah, vbox is shit13:28
apacheloggeractually you could possible boot via the shell, because vbox drops you into the intel tianocore shell13:29
apacheloggerI have not found out how to do that tho13:29
apacheloggeror perhaps create a boot entry13:29
apacheloggeranyway.... if you use the fakebios to tryt and load the EFI image it also drops you to the shell so I suspect there's simple incompat with vbox13:30
apacheloggerdidn't look too much into it13:30
apacheloggeranyway13:30
apacheloggershadeslayer: testcase written13:30
shadeslayeryeah was reading that13:30
BluesKajvbox runs windows as a guest OS much better than a linux guest ...couldn't install guest additions with linux 13:30
apacheloggeralso 13:30
apachelogger<shadeslayer> saucy is redirected to saucy-proposed no?13:30
apacheloggerno13:30
shadeslayeronce released, that's turned off?13:30
apacheloggerduring development uploads to saucy are redirected to the proposed pocket, they still will end up in saucy13:31
apacheloggerthe saucy pocket is however frozen since release so you cannot land anything in the saucy pocket13:31
apacheloggerthat's why you need to target saucy-proposed13:31
shadeslayeraha, they move from proposed to -updates then13:31
apacheloggeraye13:31
yofelreally? Uploading to raring always worked for me13:31
apacheloggeryofel: used to be like that in 2007 anyway :P13:31
shadeslayerpossibly ScottK knows ^^13:32
apacheloggeryou may get away with targetting saucy-updates or raring-updates13:32
apacheloggerdenoting raring and it ending up in raring-updates would be weird though13:32
yofelwell, I did upload SRU's to 'raring', and they were queued in raring-proposed13:33
shadeslayerthe question is what happens if you target saucy and then it gets redirected to -proposed and then when the package is approved, does it give you a error13:33
shadeslayerbecause saucy is frozen, so where does it go?13:33
apachelogger^ that would seem more likely, or perhaps you can reroute when approving13:34
apacheloggeryofel: eitherway uploading to the raring pocket while you cannot land anything in there is silly13:35
shadeslayerBluesKaj: I just install the guest packages13:36
shadeslayervirtualbox-guest-{dkms, utils, x11}13:36
shadeslayerand voila, everything just works on the guest VM13:36
shadeslayerahhhh13:37
shadeslayerVBox is just slow in EFI13:37
yofel*shrug* - it saves me from special casing SRU's in some places, and it makes uploading test packages from PPA's less error-prone13:37
BluesKajok sha , nice to know it works in some setups 13:38
BluesKajshadeslayer.^13:38
shadeslayerwell, it's worked for me always13:38
Quintasan\o13:39
shadeslayerQuintasan: nice of you to show up13:39
QuintasanI'd like to do that more often but currently it's more or less impossible13:40
QuintasanAnything needs doing?13:40
yofelsomeone asked me to update digikam to 3.5 - if you're bored ^^13:41
QuintasanSounds like plan.13:41
smartboyhwshadeslayer, on the UEFI stuff: cjwatson is probably fixing it for us, and we will want the respin.13:49
shadeslayerokay13:50
shadeslayerare you going to take care of backporting the fix to saucy?13:50
smartboyhwshadeslayer, I think so.13:52
shadeslayerokay, I have the fix for kubuntu compiling here https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/grub2_2.00-19ubuntu2.1.dsc13:52
shadeslayerso that I can test it13:52
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shadeslayeryossarianuk: ping15:25
shadeslayeryossarianuk: can you test my GRUB package?15:25
shadeslayerwith the EFI fix15:25
yossarianukshadeslayer: I can;t right now (im @ work with no UEFI) - I can do tonight for sure 15:33
yossarianukshadeslayer: where can I get the package ?15:33
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental15:33
shadeslayerplease upgrade to that grub before installing15:33
yossarianuksure - it will be a bit later ... (when I get home got baby to feed/bath, etc) but about 9 - 10 pm UK time I should have time to do so15:34
yossarianukjust to confirm I already have an install where I changed the efi folder name from ubuntu -> kubuntu (to get it to boot) - shall I leave that as it is or change it back to kubuntu ?15:35
yossarianukor did you mean test a new install and install your grub during the install process ?15:36
yossarianuk(either way its fine...)15:36
shadeslayeryossarianuk: would it be possible for you to do a complete wipe?15:47
shadeslayerand install again?15:47
yossarianukshadeslayer: not a problem15:48
shadeslayercool15:48
yossarianukshadeslayer: please confirm how to use your package in the install though...15:48
yossarianuki.e I do a normal install - then chroot and install package ?15:49
shadeslayerboot to live session -> add PPA -> upgrade all grub packages 15:49
shadeslayerproceed to install15:49
yossarianukok - np15:49
yossarianukshadeslayer: Shall I contact you via irc / email with results ?16:10
yossarianuk(about to go home - yey!)16:10
shadeslayeremail plz16:10
shadeslayerHopefully I'll have internet at my apartment today16:10
yossarianukwhat is your email ?16:10
shadeslayerrohangarg AT kubuntu DOT org16:11
yossarianukcheers 16:11
yossarianukWill let you know how it goes .....16:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: you cannot update grub before install... the squasfs is unpacked onto /target what is installed or not on the live system has no impact16:28
shadeslayer0.o16:28
shadeslayerdidn't you say it would work before?16:29
apacheloggerno16:29
apacheloggerwhy would I say something works even if I know it doesn't? :P16:29
shadeslayer<apachelogger> shadeslayer: grub2-comon is in the livefs16:30
apacheloggerthat's the squashfs16:30
shadeslayerwhen I said only the packages on the livefs can be updated?16:31
apacheloggerI am confused16:31
apacheloggerwhere did I say that anyway?16:31
apachelogger<apachelogger> shadeslayer: the installer fetches grub-efi-amd64, that I did not see observe it fetching grub2-common16:32
shadeslayerhttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/10/22/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t12:3516:32
apachelogger^ that is because efi-amd64 is installed on /target16:32
apacheloggerwhereas grub2-common is unpacked from the squashfs16:33
shadeslayeroh16:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: miscommunication it seems16:33
shadeslayeryeah16:34
shadeslayerso, tl;dr can't be done16:34
apacheloggerlivefs for me == squashfs :P16:34
shadeslayerso, how do we test this fix16:34
shadeslayerjust trust cj?16:34
apacheloggerno clue what cj meant16:34
shadeslayerheh16:34
apacheloggershadeslayer: needs SRU then you can as per the test cases I outlined16:34
shadeslayerokay16:34
shadeslayeryossarianuk needs to be told then xD16:35
apacheloggeri.e. if ubiquity will in some capacity try to upgrade -common on the target it will work16:35
shadeslayerI see16:35
apacheloggerthe fix can be tested in an upgrade capacity though16:35
shadeslayertrie16:35
shadeslayer*true16:35
apacheloggerinstall system -> mount root -> mount efi paritition -> chroot into root -> install debs16:35
apacheloggeri.e. the upgrade test case 16:36
shadeslayerright16:36
apacheloggerif -common is not updated by ubiquity we need to make .1 and if that is not possible either we shoudl put up some good instructions on how to work around the issue16:38
apacheloggeror make a scripty xD16:39
apacheloggeror both16:39
shadeslayero_o17:05
shadeslayergrub2 failed on i38617:06
palassoIt's not directly related to development but in any case a dev might want to respond http://www.bluemintlinux.com/2013/10/kde-grub-2-editor-what-it-is-and-how-to-install-it-aka-why-isnt-it-installed-by-default.html17:39
BluesKajpalasso. make sure you read the tutorial closely , that app can muck up grub so easily,  it's really quite dangerous 17:46
palassoBluesKaj: thnx for the warning, I am cautious with my computer :)17:48
BluesKajI found that the choices one makes don't appear correctly in the grub changes list , unless they've fixed the app17:49
yossarianukI tested the updated grub packages here -  https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental20:30
yossarianukI 'think' it was shadeslayer: that mentioned them20:30
yossarianuksame UEFI install issue.20:30
yossarianukto avoid any conflicts with ealier I completely cleared the disk / all UEFI entries also.20:32
yossarianukagain the workaround works - i.e boot to live cd , mount EFI partition then mv /mnt/sda1/EFI/kubuntu -> /mnt/sda1/EFI/ubuntu 20:33
yossarianuksorry - I have always copied not moved....20:35
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