[01:27] <aboudreault> looks like we can't setup LVM via the desktop install :/
[01:28] <aboudreault> hmm, wrong. but not in Manual. will check the other menu
[01:29] <aboudreault> damn, we can only select Guided LVM
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: Ah. I wonder if that's why encrypted wouldn't work also.
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: maybe not in manual.
[01:39] <Bechill> muon has got to be about the slowest thing ever
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> I never use it. apt-get and apt-cache are all I ever use.
[01:41] <Bechill> Usually the same for me, but I thought I'd try it
[01:41] <LeeJunFan> I actually tried to use it today in an effort to see on my screen what someone else saw on theirs, to help them out and as soon as I tried to click a ppa source it crashed. lol
[01:42] <Bechill> it crashed the first 3 launches for me, directly after starting to type in the search bar
[01:43] <niner> Anyone around with an understanding of grub issues?   A coworker's dualboot laptop is hosed, and I'm at a loss.
[01:44] <LeeJunFan> niner: possibly. Elaborate on "hosed".
[01:45] <niner> LeeJunFan:    Background is here: http://marissa-rae.tumblr.com/post/64732292193/kubuntu-help     TL:DR She was updating to 13, grub problems--- add live CD and now she's in an odd place.
[01:47] <niner> I do mostly FreeBSD/Solaris, so I'm not familiar with this sort of thing.
[01:49] <LeeJunFan> niner: The grub chainloader is kind of a failsafe option for the upgrade path from grub1 to grub2. Instead of replacing grub with grub2 it installs grub2 and allows grub1 to chainload grub2, so she can make sure grub2 works before removing grub.
[01:50] <niner> So is there a relevant part of the FM that's relevant, so that I may RTFM further?
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> Personally, I'd just remove grub and work with grub2. This is probably also why she doesn't get the windows option or menu to display. grub2-update uses different config file syntax.
[01:50] <niner> Even my friend @ Canonical was all "Wow, that's fucked."
[01:51] <IdleOne> !language
[01:51] <LeeJunFan> If chainloading works, I'd just remove grub then update-grub2 then grub-install /dev/sda
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> I'm confused that her machine would have grub1 on it in the first place. That's pretty old.
[01:53] <LeeJunFan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[01:53] <niner> Again, I dunno.
[01:54] <niner> I deal with Centos/RHEL at work, FreeBSD/Solaris at home--- I do have an XUbuntu install, tried to break it, but I'm not dual booting so I couldn't replicate.
[01:54] <niner> Thanks for the suggestion/explanation.
[01:54] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, if I want LVM, I have no choice to select guided, which put all the disk size on / :(
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> Yeah, that sucks. If you want a GUI way to do it you're going to have to boot the live desktop, install KVPM and use that I guess. I don't know if that does encryption on top of that though.
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: I didn't use lvm this time because it's redundant to the features available in btrfs, which has its own problems too.
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: you can always command-line it, but it's a bit tedious to command line lvm groups/volumes.
[01:57] <aboudreault> big regression in my opinion. I'll have to install everything guided with lvm with a disabled home encryption, then shrink and remake my partition of lvm, modify all the mounting points and setup my home encryption manually
[01:58] <aboudreault> I know how to do it... I'm just surprised that alternate install is no more available. It was so perfect and straightforward
[01:58] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, anyway, thanks for your time.
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: I just skipped /home during setup on mine. After install was done I created the luks volume, setup crypttab and fstab, then moved my $HOME data to the encrypted volume.
[01:59] <aboudreault> yeah
[01:59] <aboudreault> I wonder if I could disable easily my current home encryption?
[02:00] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: you can't disable it, but you should be able to tell the installer to ignore it.
[02:00] <aboudreault> Yes
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> Just don't mark it for use, don't give it a mountpoint - and make sure it's not set to F for format before you hit next.
[02:01] <aboudreault> will check this tomorrow. gtg. thanks
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: later. Good luck.
[02:16] <JMichaelX> wow, i just discovered that flash videos are barely playable on one of my machines, after the upgrade to saucy
[08:27] <excognac> hi all. why sudo shutdown +n (n>120) bugs always in kubuntu 12.04 kde 4.11?
[08:27] <excognac> does it supposed to be kdesudo shutdown +n?
[08:30] <goodtime> excognac: i just reboot  as root , that always seems to work for mee
[08:30] <goodtime> me*
[08:31] <excognac> goodtime: yeah, my case is about going to sleep. in the dawn there is always a bug message I cba to care about, so I rudely press th power button
[08:32] <goodtime> hmmm sounds like theres a real problem then
[08:32] <goodtime> i dont think i have a answer then , sorry man ...
[08:33] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there anythign special i need to do to get dual output working over hdmi
[08:33] <eagles0513875> im on 13.10
[08:34] <goodtime> try going to settings and in your display there should be the setting for it
[08:34] <goodtime> eagles0513875:
[08:34] <eagles0513875> goodtime: there isnt
[08:35] <eagles0513875> goodtime: xrandr isnt picking up the monitor even
[08:35] <goodtime> hmmm
[08:35] <goodtime> then im going to try to hook up another monitor i have and ill let you know how i did it eagles0513875
[08:36] <valorie> eagles0513875: alt+f2 Kscreen
[08:36] <valorie> does that show you your correct configuration?
[08:36] <eagles0513875> vadviktor: i have it up in system settings and its not even showing a 2nd monitor
[08:36] <goodtime> ive noticed that also eagles0513875
[08:37] <eagles0513875> meant valorie
[08:37] <goodtime> i might send a blog to kde
[08:37] <goodtime> yes im going to
[08:37] <eagles0513875> goodtime: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3056/how-do-i-use-a-second-hdmi-connected-monitor
[08:37] <eagles0513875> tried that even xrandr didnt pickup the monitor
[08:38] <eagles0513875> i wonder if i switch to vga as the monitor supports vga as well
[08:38] <eagles0513875> brb
[08:38] <goodtime> kk
[08:38] <eagles0513875> going to check the bios really quickly
[08:39] <goodtime> good idea
[08:47] <eagles0513875> goodtime: ok changed a setting in the bios to auto detect, the output
[08:47] <eagles0513875> goodtime: also tested with vga instead of hdmi and still same issue
[08:47] <goodtime> ahhh good work
[08:47] <eagles0513875> goodtime: are you on an intel integrated graphics chipset
[08:47] <goodtime> no i have a 32bit AMD 64
[08:47] <eagles0513875> goodtime: graphics im saying
[08:47] <eagles0513875> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)  that is my graphics controller
[08:47] <goodtime> Sysinfo for 'goodtime': Linux 3.2.0-55-generic-pae running KDE Development Platform 4.8.5 (4.8.5), CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-53 at 800 MHz (1607 bogomips), HD: 201/300GB, RAM: 2315/2454MB, 147 proc's, 1.23h up
[08:48] <eagles0513875> and graaphics
[08:48] <goodtime> hmm good question idk
[08:48] <goodtime> lol
[08:49] <goodtime> someone gave me this laptop for free so ive never realy looked into it yet
[08:49] <eagles0513875> goodtime: lspci should show you
[08:49] <goodtime> im saveing up for a good desktop
[08:49] <goodtime> oh ok
[08:50] <eagles0513875> i find this interesting for my audio device 00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
[08:50] <eagles0513875> a xeon proc lol for audio
[08:51] <goodtime> 00:03.0 PCI bridge: NVIDIA Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1)
[08:51] <eagles0513875> hey jalcine_
[08:51] <goodtime> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C51 [GeForce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[08:52] <eagles0513875> ahh yes i had a go 6150 in an old hp laptop
[08:52] <goodtime> so these graphics arnt too bad i guess for a old lappy
[08:52] <eagles0513875> no
[08:54] <goodtime> yeah this 12.04 beta seems to have alot of crash issues with no real reasons for it at all
[08:54] <goodtime> i seem to reboot to fix it lol
[08:54] <goodtime> alot
[08:55] <goodtime> im prob just going to install 13.10
[08:55] <goodtime> i just like the fact that 12.04 have many years of support
[08:55] <goodtime> has*
[08:56] <eagles0513875> 12.04
[08:56] <goodtime> yes
[08:56] <eagles0513875> you sure you are still on the beta
[08:56] <goodtime> 5 years of updates
[08:56] <eagles0513875> have you not updated the packages since its been released
[08:56] <goodtime> uhh i thought i did
[08:56] <goodtime> hmmmm
[08:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:57] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:57] <goodtime> ok
[08:58] <eagles0513875> you must have lots of updates lol
[08:59] <eagles0513875> valorie: do you have any other ideas or suggestions about dual screen out put
[09:00] <goodtime> eagles0513875: everything is up yto date now i guess ill reboot and see if there are any changes now
[09:00] <goodtime> brb
[09:01] <valorie> no, kscreen has been excellent
[09:01] <eagles0513875> i installed 13.04 then upgraded to 13.10
[09:01] <valorie> but if you've gone through the xrandr man page
[09:01] <valorie> that's pretty low level, right there
[09:02] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:20] <Guest43576> hi, I have already installed windows 7 on my 80 Gb HDD as on one partition that is 80Gb. Now can i boot from live kubuntu cd and resize the windows partition to 40Gb, make swap partition and a new ext4 partition, install kubuntu on it and still my windows partition data will remain as such with no harm done?
[09:20] <Guest43576> crose post for more views 6
[09:22] <goodtime> as long as you have grub installed and updated it will work Guest43576
[09:23] <goodtime> i actuly like windows 8
[09:23] <Guest43576> goodtime,  if i resize the windows partition by ubuntu partition manager. will i loose data?
[09:23] <goodtime> it seems better than OSX  anyways
[09:23] <goodtime> i dont think you will Guest43576
[09:24] <goodtime> but if you will it should tell you that your going to lose data if it does
[09:24] <goodtime> so you will have a fighting chance to abort
[09:25] <Guest43576> k
[09:25] <Guest43576> it didnt told me that.
[09:25] <Guest43576> in progress
[09:25] <goodtime> ok i think your good then
[09:25] <Guest43576> k
[09:25] <Guest43576> wish me luck
[09:25] <goodtime> good luck Guest43576
[09:25] <Guest43576> is a  seperate swap partition better or swap-file better or compress swap in ram better?
[09:26] <Guest43576> goodtime,  thx
[09:27] <goodtime> yw Guest43576
[09:27] <Guest43576> the partition moveing is very slow though.
[09:27] <Guest43576> very
[09:28] <goodtime> that just meen its doing a good job
[09:28] <goodtime> prob because your saveing everything so that takes awhile
[09:29] <goodtime> just let her run
[09:30] <Emery> Guest43576, The new kernels actually have memory compression
[09:31] <Emery> Also look into Zram if you have a lower end machine :)
[09:31] <eagles0513875> Emery: i use zram compression on my android phone and it makes a world of difference
[09:32] <Emery> It's fantastic, we use it server side here, I didn't implement it personally but I've read into it
[09:33] <goodtime> i cant seem to install  Z ram hmmm
[09:34] <goodtime> zram*
[09:34] <goodtime> Zram* lol
[09:35] <Emery> http://askubuntu.com/questions/302447/how-to-install-zram-on-ubuntu-13-04
[10:47] <yossarianuk> is chrome fixed for (k)Ubuntu 13.10 yet ?
[10:47] <yossarianuk> anyone know?
[10:50] <hateball> yossarianuk: Fixed how?
[10:50] <hateball> I'm running Chromium, and it works like it ever did
[10:53] <Emery> yossarianuk, I've noticed official chrome is broken also
[10:53] <Emery> titles are missing on tabs
[10:53] <yossarianuk> chrome is noty able to install (at least on 32bit on 13.10)
[10:53] <yossarianuk> dep errors
[10:53] <yossarianuk> from a new install
[10:54] <Emery> oh I have it installed
[10:54] <Emery> yossarianuk, are you using a 64bit machine ?
[10:56] <yossarianuk> Emery: I do on my desktops - they are 13.04 at the min
[10:56] <yossarianuk> I have a ubuntu 13.10 32bit netbook
[10:56] <yossarianuk> Chrome not able to install...
[11:06] <Emery> yossarianuk, are you using the chrome repos
[11:18] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[11:26] <yossarianuk> Emery: just updated a kubuntu 64 bit system
[11:26] <yossarianuk> chrome was fine on that
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:46] <yossarianuk> yep - 32bt version of chrome is still broken on ubuntu 13.10......
[11:47] <yossarianuk> dep errors with lib32gcc1 lib32stdc++6 libc3-i386
[12:10] <jalcine> hey Emery
[12:10] <jalcine> hey eagles0513875
[12:11] <jalcine> sorry Emery :(
[12:12] <Emery> hey
[12:12] <Emery> sorry?
[14:03] <rance> I upgraded to 13.10 yesterday and everthing looked flawless untill this morning.  I have some ssh scripts that login via keys that do not work anymore.
[14:03] <lordievader> rance: What is the error?
[14:03] <rance> don't get an error, just 0 byte output
[14:05] <lordievader> rance: What is the ssh command you are trying to do?
[14:06] <rance> I use ksshaskpass to ask for my key passphrase when I login to the session.  the command I run ssh's to a remote box, greps a log file, and stores the results in a local text file.
[14:06] <rance> works fine from konsole
[14:07] <lordievader> rance: Is the script run from a different user?
[14:07] <lordievader> Or is the display variable not set?
[14:07] <rance> nope, runs from my personal crontab
[14:08] <rance> display variable may not be set in cron, but I think the problem is my cron environment.
[14:09] <rance> I have a cron prep script that does this "/usr/bin/keychain -q /home/rhall/.ssh/id_dsa >/dev/null && source /home/rhall/.keychain/rhall-sh >/dev/null
[14:09] <rance> if I do that in konsole, my scripts no longer work.
[14:09] <rance> so something has changed, but unsure what, worked yesterday
[14:11] <lordievader> rance: Did you test it yesterday under 13.10? Or was that still 13.04?
[14:11] <rance> It was still 13.04 when it worked yesterday.  It runs at 7AM so when I got into the office today is when I saw that it did not work.
[14:12] <rance> When I ran the commands manually from konsole, they worked like a charm.
[14:18] <lordievader> rance: The script also worked if executed manually right?
[14:20] <rance> The script works when executed manually from konsole.  If I ssh to this box, then the script works manually but I have to type in my passphrase for the keys.  So the ssh session does not have the right environment variables to allow me to use the ksshaskpass results.
[14:21] <rance> Thats when I started using keyserver to prep my environment if I was in cron or loggin in via ssh
[14:22] <genii> I wonder if it's this old bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/+bug/874199
[14:23] <lordievader> rance: Why not specify the keyfile with the -i flag in ssh? Or is it password protected?
[14:24] <rance> its password protected
[14:24] <rance> that was what keyserver was supposed to get around
[14:27] <rance> well maybe.  I killed kwalletd per the notes in that writeup and will try the cron again.  It will run in a few minutes, and well see the results.
[14:29] <hord> hello!, plasma-desktop is  crashing constantly
[14:29] <hord> any ideas?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hord. which kubuntu?
[14:30] <hord> yes
[14:30] <hord> 13.10
[14:30] <hord> the last version
[14:30] <hord> and it is actualizated
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ok , have you updated and upgraded since the the install?
[14:31] <hord> yes
[14:31] <hord> many times
[14:31] <hord> and today too
[14:31] <BluesKaj> do a dist-upgrade
[14:32] <rance> lordievader:  Nope, killing kwalletd had no effect
[14:33] <lordievader> rance: And replacing ksshaskpass with ssh-add, is that an option?
[14:34] <rance> possible I guess, and worth a try.
[14:34] <lordievader> rance: Though ssh-add is purely cli, so that might throw problems.
[14:35] <hord> BluesKaj: after dist-upgrade i have to reload plasma-desktop ?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> hord. a reboot should help
[14:37] <hord> ok, I'll try, thank you
[14:40] <rance> It doesnt look like the same issue with kwalletd.  It looks like kwalletd does not lock on startup anymore as per the bug notes.
[15:21] <rance> lordievader:  figured it out.
[15:23] <lordievader> rance: How did you do it?
[15:24] <rance> I knew cron has a limited execution environment so I spent time under 13.04 creating an environment and then running sub scripts.  The new 13.10 cron implementation doesnt allow this approach apparently.
[15:24] <rance> I added a line to source the keychain files needed in the real comand vs. the cron environment prep command, and it appears to work
[15:26] <lordievader> rance: Ok, nice work around ;)
[16:20] <synsolnca> hi all
[16:20] <synsolnca> Can someone explain me why doesn't grub2 see my windows?
[16:21] <Ashareth> synsolnca: win 8 ?
[16:22] <Whiskey`Wonka> uhg. google earth is really broken on 13.10. anyone know how to clean up the broekn depends??
[16:22] <synsolnca> no
[16:22] <synsolnca> It's windows 7
[16:23] <Ashareth> then either you made a mistake when declaring the disk/partition it's on
[16:23] <synsolnca> I tried to add it manually but it show "Bootmgr is missing"
[16:23] <Ashareth> or when declaring your windows install in grub
[16:23] <synsolnca> But I'm sure it's ok
[16:23] <Ashareth> grub2 don't use the same way of numbering than grub 1 bt
[16:23] <Ashareth> +w
[16:24] <synsolnca> weel. /dev/sda1 is it (h0, msdos0)?
[16:24] <synsolnca> well*
[16:27] <Ashareth> it's a bios or efi motherboard ?
[16:27] <Ashareth> and disque in gpt or not ?
[16:27] <synsolnca> mbr
[16:28] <synsolnca> mother has both
[16:28] <synsolnca> bios and UEFI
[16:28] <synsolnca> Now it's bios
[16:29] <synsolnca> It's in my grub.cfg: http://pastebin.kde.org/pcxiwfvgc
[16:29] <synsolnca> disk is /dev/sda1
[16:31] <luis_> Córdoba
[16:32] <genii> !es
[16:43] <FOAD> Hi, just upgraded to 13.10.  Now my nvidia driver (nvidia-319_updates apparently) is "activated but not currently in use".  How do I activate it?
[16:44] <FOAD> Or rather, put it into use?
[16:45] <Ashareth> FOAD: use jockey for that
[16:45] <Ashareth> but honestly, check if it's really not in use
[16:46] <FOAD> I think it isn't (lots of screen tearing).  How do I check it?
[16:46] <Ashareth> my system is telling me mine isn't "in use" for 2+ years... yet i've got the correct graphic acceleration and kernel modules loaded and used
[16:46] <Ashareth> proving it's in use :p
[16:46] <genii> FOAD: lsmod | grep nvidia
[16:46] <FOAD> lsmod | grep nvidia
[16:46] <FOAD> nvidia               9451814  42
[16:46] <FOAD> drm                   296739  2 nvidia
[16:47] <FOAD> No idea what that means.
[16:47] <Ashareth> that the nvidia modules are loaded :)
[16:47] <Ashareth> (the proprietary ones)
[16:47] <FOAD> Okay.  Well, performance certainly seems a lot worse.
[16:47] <Ashareth> so probably used if your xorg conf is properly done
[16:47] <Ashareth> try updating them maybe ?
[16:48] <Ashareth> but otherwise jockey allows you to check what is supposedly in use, and activate what you want
[16:48] <FOAD> When I do "sudo update install nvidia-settings", it wants to install nvidia-settings-304 instead of -319.
[16:48] <Ashareth> (jockey-text from memory for the command line tool, there is a gui too in ubuntu, don't remember the name)
[16:48] <FOAD> Which seems weird to me.
[16:48] <Ashareth> FOAD: depends on your graphic cards
[16:49] <FOAD> I did use jockey, that gave me the ""activated but not currently  in use"
[16:49] <Ashareth> it might be one whose support is discontinued in the recent drivers
[16:49] <FOAD> " text, and a button to DE-activate the driver.
[16:49] <lordievader> Ashareth: There is also jockey-kde (if it isn't broken...)
[16:49] <FOAD> My PC is 6 months old.
[16:49] <FOAD> With stuff that was brand new then.
[16:50] <Ashareth> then it's not that :p
[16:50] <Ashareth> check on the nvidia website which version of the drivers supports your hardware to be sure, but it's probably not the problem
[16:51] <FOAD> sudo jockey-text
[16:51] <FOAD> ERROR:root:Could not find any typelib for AppIndicator3
[16:51] <FOAD> Additional Drivers
[16:51] <FOAD> Searching for available drivers...
[16:51] <FloodBotK1> FOAD: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:51] <FOAD> That's it.
[16:51] <FOAD> Sure FloodBotK1.
[16:51] <Ashareth> it's a bot, as his name states :p
[16:51] <FOAD> I know.
[16:52] <FOAD> What I don't know is what to do next.
[16:54] <FOAD> lspci | grep nvidia  -- doesn't return anything either
[16:59] <Ashareth> FOAD: try : glxinfo | grep direct
[16:59] <Ashareth> (to check if dri is in use)
[17:01] <FOAD> Ashareth: glxinfo isn't installed, in which package do I find it?
[17:01] <Ashareth> mesa-progs
[17:01] <Ashareth> from memory
[17:02] <Ashareth> but it should be installed as a dependency to nvidia-drivers if i recall well
[17:02] <FOAD> Hmeh.
[17:02] <Ashareth> sorry been quite some time since i had to install a linux machine with an xorg server and drivers :p
[17:02] <FOAD> That's okay, I appreciate the help. :)
[17:03] <Ashareth> the last ones i did were remote controled servers, so no problem with drivers :p
[17:03] <FOAD> Hehe.
[17:03] <FOAD> Okay, trying something, thanks so far. :)
[17:11] <specon> hello is there any solution for my ubuntu + apple wireless keyboard
[17:11] <specon> i cannot type an AT
[17:11] <specon> wich is very annoying
[17:11] <specon> didn't found anything yet on google
[17:11] <specon> @
[17:11] <specon> this one here i need to use a copy paste tool to type this
[17:13] <BluesKaj> specon. check your input devices KB layout in system settings
[17:15] <specon> okay
[17:15] <specon> and another issue i have is when i'm into system preferences
[17:15] <BluesKaj> and your hardware setting as well
[17:15] <specon> then energy
[17:15] <specon> i cannot "dim" the screen
[17:15] <specon> not good for my eyes lol
[17:17] <BluesKaj> specon. sorry dunno about laptop scrns
[17:17] <specon> its a mac osx
[17:17] <specon> not a laptop :)
[17:18] <dolomite> are you using kubuntu or osx, specon ?
[17:18] <BluesKaj> heh , even worse
[17:18] <specon> i'm using ubuntu 13.10
[17:18] <specon> latest one
[17:18] <BluesKaj> then it's not osx
[17:19] <specon> idd
[18:26] <systemclient> I just upgraded from raring to saucy and now I cannot connect to any networks
[18:27] <systemclient> it seems that qdbus is broken with Qt 4 and Qt 5
[18:27] <systemclient> nmcli is not able to do anything because of DBus error messages that say that the message is not relayed
[18:28] <systemclient> how can I get networking back to work? I need an internet connection?
[18:30] <BluesKaj> systemclient. ethernet ?
[18:30] <systemclient> BluesKaj: Ethernet and Wireless
[18:31] <systemclient> I tried using nmcli, but it did not work because of DBus
[18:31] <systemclient> and the new tray icon does not show anything. I can make it show a checkbox to enable network, and it is not checked
[18:31] <BluesKaj> systemclient. sudo dhclient eth0 for ethernet . sudo dhclient wlan0 for wifi
[18:31] <systemclient> and it does not show any connections if I open the connections menu
[18:32] <systemclient> BluesKaj: I will try that in a minute
[18:32] <Ashareth> only if he is in dhcp and not fixed ip
[18:32] <systemclient> Ashareth: I have DHCP
[18:32] <systemclient> Ashareth: really plain home Wifi
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Ashareth. well assume it's dhcp
[18:32] <Ashareth> my home wifi and lana ren't on dhcp never were, probably never will be :D
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Ashareth. if he was static then he drop nm
[18:33] <BluesKaj> could drop
[18:33] <systemclient> yeah, my friend who uses Arch does not use nm
[18:33] <systemclient> but I do not want to invest the time to set up my friends wifi to static, she would not like that, I guess :-)
[18:33] <systemclient> anyway, are the Qt 4 vs. Qt 5 problems normal?
[18:34] <BluesKaj> I use nm for vpns , that's the only reason
[18:35] <BluesKaj> don't think qt has much tot do with your problem
[18:35] <BluesKaj> static and wifi without nm is apita to setup , it can be done , but it's complicated
[18:36] <systemclient> okay, before I can do dhclient on wlan0, I need to connect to the network
[18:36] <systemclient> So I tried:
[18:37] <systemclient> nmcli con up id "strange wifi SSID"
[18:37] <Ashareth> probably because i used debian and gentoo and arch quite some time, i don't use network manager most of the time, but directly the config files :p
[18:37] <systemclient> and I got errors fo DBus that properties did not exist
[18:40] <Ashareth> hum strange.
[18:41] <Ashareth> sorry don't see what the problem can be right now
[18:41] <BluesKaj> systemclient. sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[18:42] <systemclient> BluesKaj: that did not change anything
[18:43] <BluesKaj> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan|grep -i essid
[18:43] <systemclient> BluesKaj: with `down`, I can turn off the wifi, but it still does not connect to anything
[18:43] <systemclient> BluesKaj: I do see my girlfriends Wifi network in there
[18:43] <systemclient> and the other ones that I see with my secondary laptop
[18:44] <BluesKaj> ok ,try to connect
[18:44] <systemclient> BluesKaj: same DBus error
[18:45] <BluesKaj> systemclient. try sudo dbus-launch network-manager
[18:47] <BluesKaj> pastebin the  errors, if any
[18:48] <systemclient> BluesKaj: could not exec network-manager. No such fiile or directory
[18:49] <BluesKaj> systemclient. try sudo dbus-launch network-management
[18:49] <Ashareth> at that point he should check if network-management is installed too
[18:49] <Ashareth> and/or reinstall it
[19:04] <systemclient> network-manager is installed
[19:07] <BluesKaj> in the panel, add widgets , type network in search , double click on the NM , systemclient
[19:10] <systemclient> I already have that in the tray, and it does not show any connections
[19:12] <BluesKaj> click on it , open the little wrench on the right , then click on edit connections , systemclient ...have you tried that ?
[19:12] <systemclient> I have to go to bed now, thanks for your help. I asked it on askubuntu.com
[19:12] <systemclient> BluesKaj: that menu does not show any connections
[19:12] <systemclient> although I had several before the upgrade
[19:12] <systemclient> and nmcli does show them
[19:14] <systemclient> btw, plasma-nm is installed as well
[19:14] <LeeJunFan> Are we sure your upgraded completed w/o missing stuffs? perhaps apt-get isntall kubuntu-desktop to make sure it's complete?
[19:15] <systemclient> LeeJunFan: how can I run it without an internet connection?
[19:15] <LeeJunFan> systemclient: lol. Well, it's not going to be able to download anything, but if it tries to, it'll tell us what's missing.
[19:15] <systemclient> LeeJunFan: it seems to be the newest version
[19:17] <systemclient> but the following bugs me:
[19:18] <systemclient> when I call qdbus, it tells me that /usr/lib/x.../qt5/bin/qdbus does not exist
[19:18] <systemclient> that should not happen, right?
[19:19] <LeeJunFan> I don't have a qt5 dir in mine either, fresh install, works fine.
[19:20] <systemclient> what does which qdbus say?
[19:20] <systemclient> and if it is a link, where does it go?
[19:21] <LeeJunFan> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Oct 18 22:47 /usr/bin/qdbus -> qtchooser
[19:22] <systemclient> LeeJunFan: maybe I need to change that symlink?
[19:22] <systemclient> on Arch, it is the same
[19:22] <systemclient> on my machine, it goes to that qt5 folder, I think
[19:23] <LeeJunFan> ah. Can't hurt to try I guess. you can always mv it to qdbus.old then make a new link. mv it back if that doesn't help. I would think it should exist though.
[19:23] <systemclient> it already is that way on my system as well
[19:24] <systemclient> hmm
[19:25] <LeeJunFan> what args are you launching qdbus with that cause that error?
[19:25] <systemclient> LeeJunFan: no args
[19:25] <LeeJunFan> oh. Strange.
[19:26] <systemclient> on my Ubuntu Unity machine, it works well
[19:26] <systemclient> maybe the problem is that on the Kubuntu machine it is like the fourth Upgrade or so?
[19:26] <LeeJunFan> systemclient: On mine it simply says "qdbus: could not find a Qt installation of ''", while launching with no args
[19:28] <LeeJunFan> systemclient: number of upgrades shouldn't matter. It does end up mattering because it's another chance for things to go wrong during upgrade, but it really should still work. Can be a pain finding either something left behind or something missing though.
[19:28] <systemclient> LeeJunFan: so is there anything I can do except a reinstall?
[19:28] <LeeJunFan> systemclient: what if you try creating a new user and logging in as that user?
[19:30] <LeeJunFan> systemclient: I've never seen a Linux issue that couldn't be fixed, it's just a matter of how stubborn you want to be figuring it out. ;)
[19:32] <systemclient> i will try user tomorrow
[19:34] <LeeJunFan> systemclient: okay, good luck.
[19:59] <sekisushai> hi there, i would like to know in saucy how to put the plasmoid to get shortcuts for dolphin and firefox in such a way that the icon disappear when an instace is already launched
[19:59] <sekisushai> i don't know if i make it clear..
[20:32] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: turns out my issues with /home not being mounted on my btrfs on luks was my own fault. can't use uuid's on devmapper devices reliably in fstab.
[20:33] <aboudreault> LeeJunFan, ha
[20:34] <aboudreault> so you'll be available to enable en LVM setup in the installer ?
[20:34] <aboudreault> :D
[20:35] <LeeJunFan> aboudreault: Still sucks that the installer won't do stuff right.
[20:35] <aboudreault> yeah
[20:35] <LeeJunFan> I'll be leaving for home in a few mins, but probably still be around.
[20:35] <aboudreault> doing the same thing here.
[20:45] <terra> eee
[20:46] <terra> hey
[20:47] <friedrich> hey is there a good lui irc client?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> lui ?
[20:48] <friedrich> line user interface
[20:48] <BluesKaj> cli , yes , irssi
[20:48] <friedrich> ah sure
[20:48] <Pici> irssi and weechat are both popluar
[20:48] <friedrich> thx
[21:58] <stackyism> hello
[21:58] <stackyism> I have a screen shot of a bug
[21:58] <stackyism> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4jubcc36lsip3dc/folder_icon_bug.png
[21:59] <stackyism> which occurs in my hp dv 6 laptop
[21:59] <stackyism> kubuntu 13.04
[21:59] <stackyism> the folder icons on the left sometimes overlap.. Or sometimes the space is left just like that without the icon on the task manager
[22:00] <stackyism> is there any solution to this ?
[22:13] <apb> Anyone using everpad?  I installed it a few days ago, it found my cloud notes and everything was great.  Today I started it and all my notes/notebooks are gone.
[22:13] <apb> kubuntu 12.04
[22:21] <gsedej> hi! I don't see network-manager in /etc/init.d/, nor it's in service
[22:21] <gsedej> is this ok?
[22:22] <Unit193> It's in /etc/init/
[22:23] <gsedej> what's the differnce? and why I can't restart nm with service call?
[22:23] <gsedej> (I am quite new to KDE, i remember restarting nm service crashed nm applet
[22:23] <gsedej> started working wired
[22:24] <gsedej> is this somhow connected?
[22:26] <Unit193> The command to restart it is  sudo service network-manager restart  or  sudo restart network-manager
[22:30] <gsedej> oh, this is new to me
[22:30] <gsedej> let me try (might become offline)
[22:36] <gsedej> ok, it looks like it works ok
[22:36] <gsedej> service does not autocomplete when i type network-m...