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sil2100Morning!06:56
didrockshey sil2100! how are you?06:58
sil2100didrocks: hey! Pretty good now actually, reading up my e-mails right now - how about you?07:06
didrockssil2100: I'm fine thanks, hoping that we can finish the transition and having cu2d ready before the meeting07:06
didrockssil2100: you forgot some projects I guess like unity, compiz, nux, can you sync with Mirv or do you need my help to redeploy everything?07:07
sil2100didrocks: is T open already?07:07
didrockssil2100: yeah ;)07:07
sil2100Ah, I see it!07:07
didrocksand the ppa can build for it :)07:07
sil2100Trusty Tahr, need to google that07:07
didrocks(tested yesterday with a dummy bamf upload07:07
didrocksheh07:07
didrockssil2100: can you keep me posted on where you stand with Mirv? (and if you need help)07:08
didrocksI would really having us being ready before the meeting07:08
didrocksall the rest is in place, we are the last ones ;)07:08
sil2100didrocks: sure! Let me get up-to-date07:08
didrocksgreat ;)07:09
Mirvdidrocks: https://code.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/saucy_transition_misc_unity/+merge/191989 is waiting07:10
mlankhorst Morning!07:10
Mirvsil2100: ^07:10
sil2100Mirv: reviewing then, thanks07:11
sil2100Mirv: ok, do with unity and nux they're not explicitly bumping the upstream version, yes?07:13
sil2100*do=so07:13
Mirvsil2100: they had already a 'saucy' branch in addition to version number branch so I assumed they're fine with having a name based branch. it's clearer anyway than the need to map version number -> version.07:15
didrockssil2100: we don't really care if they don't, right?07:15
Mirvsince we now care about release branches and not the strict version number07:16
sil2100ACK07:16
MirvI just needed to update them a bit to have them in sync with what was released (they were about one cu2d release behind)07:16
sil2100Mirv: approved, sweet07:17
Mirvsil2100: thanks, deploying07:17
didrocksoh, think about checking the application list as well07:17
didrocksfor tests07:17
didrocksnot sure the package list was updated07:17
didrocksor we can try a build + test run07:17
didrocksand see what otto will yell at07:17
didrocksMirv: sil2100: otto ready btw07:18
Mirvyeah they will certainly need a bit of updating07:18
sil2100Mirv: which stacks are you working on now? Since from the list I don't think all stacks got switched07:18
sil2100didrocks: you mean, it's working now again? \o/07:18
Mirvsil2100: if you know some non-touch package is still missing from the list, feel free to point out. I only looked at misc + unity07:18
didrockssil2100: we did upgrade to trusty (and it wasn't broken AFAIK?)07:19
Mirvsince those were obviously missing from before07:19
sil2100Mirv: ok, browsing then07:20
sil2100Mirv: I'm transitioning OIF now if anything07:26
Mirvsil2100: yeah, that sounds useful07:28
Mirvsil2100: please also approve https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/fix_typo_and_sync_headunity_packages/+merge/192092 - a couple of typos plus updating unity stack package list to match saucy's07:43
sil2100Ouch07:43
sil2100Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/transition_oif_platform_T/+merge/19209407:49
sil2100Mirv: do you know if the SDK stack needs transitioning?08:01
sil2100Mirv: if yes, could you take care of that?08:01
sil2100I'll take care of the rest08:01
Mirvsil2100: yeah, why not, handling that08:03
sil2100Mirv: thanks!08:04
Laneymorning08:04
sil2100Laney: morning \o/08:04
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sil2100Mirv: also, when you have the time: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/transition_some_projects_T/+merge/19209608:11
didrockshey Laney08:12
Laneyhey didrocks sil210008:13
sil2100didrocks: I assumed we don't need to split branches for mir - is that correct?08:14
didrockssil2100: not needed, indeed ;)08:14
sil2100Mirv: transitioning the last one I guess: QA08:17
Mirvsil2100: and https://code.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/sdk_trusty/+merge/19210108:18
sil2100Mirv: ah, I guess the 'saucy-armhf -> trusty-armhf' leftovers we'll have to do later as well08:18
sil2100Mirv: looking good, thanks!08:19
Mirvyeah can be separate commits to fix remaining issues08:19
didrockssil2100: Mirv: maybe you will handle that in a later MP, but remember that the check job is the "trusty" one in extracheck08:22
didrocksif the wiki is missing that, please add it :)08:22
Mirvdidrocks: ah, so like this? https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/head_extracheck_trusty/+merge/19210508:31
Mirvchecking the wiki08:31
sil2100didrocks, Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/transition_qa_to_T/+merge/192106 <- is this ok?08:36
sil2100Mirv: actually I think we need to modify also the 'series:' tag too?08:36
sil2100Mirv: I modified it in the QA merge08:36
Mirvupdated the wiki08:37
Mirvsil2100: ok, I'm updating my branch a bit as well08:39
Mirvsil2100: please check https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/head_extracheck_trusty/+merge/192105 (I omitted qa from there)08:42
sil2100Mirv: approved! I wonder if we need to change anything else, but I guess we can fix that later08:44
sil2100;)08:44
Mirvsil2100: deploying all but qa08:47
Mirv(head)08:48
sil2100Mirv: is everything merged in?08:48
Mirvsil2100: I've everything needed merged locally08:49
Mirvsil2100: so if you could deploy the saucy stuff you touched (and that was just merged) + head qa08:50
sil2100Mirv: https://code.launchpad.net/~cupstream2distro-maintainers/cupstream2distro-config/sdk_trusty/+merge/192101 didn\t merge08:52
sil2100Ah, but you see that08:53
Mirvsil2100: I know, it should soon. there was a whitespace change.08:53
sil2100Mirv: is there a reason why you didn't top-approve the QA branch?08:53
didrocksMirv: yeah, good for me!08:54
Mirvdidrocks: sil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/head_to_manual_mode/+merge/192113 already deploying08:56
Mirvjust tell me if not wanted, but I thought it's best to have that if unsure :)08:56
* sil2100 is redeploying saucy08:57
didrocksMirv: Text conflict in stacks/head/indicators.cfg08:57
sil2100Mirv: can you top-approve that QA branch or can I do that?08:57
didrocksand so on?08:57
Mirvdidrocks: yeah some other merges there, let me clean up08:57
didrocksMirv: keep manualpublish: True please08:58
Mirvyep08:58
Mirvdidrocks: ok, reload09:00
Mirvsil2100: ah sorry ETOOMANYBRANCHES, top-approved that one as welll09:02
sil2100;D09:02
Mirvplus all head branches deployed again (and again), with manual publishing, extracheck, series..09:02
Mirvsil2100: except your qa09:05
sil2100Mirv: redeploying that09:09
Mirvsil2100: please approve that ^ manual_mode branch as well09:09
sil2100Mirv: done, thanks!09:10
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sil2100Mirv: hmmm, we missed unity8 stack - I'll do it now10:20
sil2100(it doesn't matter for t anyway)10:20
sil2100Mirv: webapps also didn't seem to be done... I thought fginther was working on that though10:25
sil2100I'll take that up for today10:27
sil2100Mirv: in the meantime, https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/transition_unity8_T/+merge/19212010:28
Mirvsil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/more_trusty/+merge/19212410:49
sil2100Mirv: ah, this branch is trusty!10:50
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xnoxLaney: is ubuntu-keyboard / maliit suppose to work on desktop/amd64 at all?11:08
LaneyDunno11:08
Laneyold maliit did but somebody redid it all so I don't know what's going on there11:08
xnoxLaney: $ maliit-server11:12
xnoxopen /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libpinyin/data/pinyin_index.bin failed!11:12
xnoxSegmentation fault (core dumped)11:12
xnox$ dpkg --print-architecture11:12
xnoxamd6411:12
LaneyTalk to sergiusens11:14
Laneyhe took it over, it didn't have that problem when I packaged it11:14
xnoxLaney: libpinyin2-dev -> libpinyin4-dev transition is missing....11:15
* Laney redirects xnox to #ubuntu-touch and sergiusens11:18
xnoxpitti: \o/ about 9.311:21
xnoxtrusty looks like it's going to be an exciting release.11:21
pittixnox: heh, I'll sort out the necessary extension rebuilds; I forgot to add 14.04 to postgresql-common earlier11:22
xnoxpitti: now, if only somebody merges asterisk 11 & then we can drop sqlite 2 from the archive and everything will be sweet =)11:26
Laneyajmitch loves doing that11:26
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seb128good morning desktopers12:47
czajkowskiseb128: aloha :)12:52
seb128czajkowski, hey, how are you today?12:53
czajkowskiseb128: not bad thanks, trying to get a blog post out and having writers block so playing with my new phone instead :)12:53
czajkowskiseb128: how are things in the land of maple syrup12:53
seb128czajkowski, good, it stopped raining, we have blue sky today!12:53
czajkowskiat least you can see the sky!12:54
seb128yeah12:55
seb128bregma, are you working on bug #1199877?12:55
ubot2Launchpad bug 1199877 in Unity 7.1 "unity-panel-service memory leak and 100% CPU usage" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119987712:55
bregmaseb128, it's top priority12:55
seb128larsu, attente: ^ not sure if that's something you can help on, recent comment seems to suggest that using gimp in saucy is enough to make the unity panel service unhappy12:55
bregmaif only it was easy to spot the cause12:55
seb128bregma, yeah, I was wondering if you needed help from the indicator side ... did you determine if the issue was in unity or indicators?12:56
seb128bregma, btw did you see my pings yesterday?12:56
seb128bregma, oh, and good morning ;-)12:56
bregmaseb128, the issue is in the indicator stack somewhere (all Unity does is load the indicators and run them)... it appears every time a context is switched the app menus are recreated and the previous ones leaked13:00
larsubregma: your comment #25 suggests you already found a signal leak in indicator-appmenu?13:02
bregmalarsu, I've found a few small leaks, but I'm after the bug fish13:03
bregma*big* fish13:03
larsubregma: the attached sysprof looks like a bug in gtk13:04
larsuI wonder if that's still there...13:05
attentei can't seem to replicate it with clementine13:07
mdeslaurbregma: I use workspace heavily, could that be related?13:09
Mirvsil2100: https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/cupstream2distro-config/switch_from_next_to_daily/+merge/19213913:09
mdeslaurworkspaces13:09
bregmamdeslaur, it's not related to workspaces, but it's related to switching between apps13:09
bregmaI use gedit to reproduce it, gimp makes it more obvious because of more menus13:10
mdeslaurah, cool, you can reproduce it13:10
seb128just click on some menu items in the gimp is enough to get lag and cpu increase here13:11
seb128bregma, what do you do with gedit to trigger it?13:13
bregmaall I have to do is switch to another application then back again -- I have instrumented debug version of the libraries, so I can see the menus leaking, I don't need to watch top to know there's a problem13:15
larsubregma: which menus are leaking? The ones that indicator-appmenu creates?13:16
bregmalarsu, yep13:16
bregmabut the water gets murkier the deeper I go13:17
mdeslaurseb128: anything objection to me getting libav demoted from main?13:34
seb128mdeslaur, not from me13:34
ChrisTownsendseb128: Good morning13:40
seb128ChrisTownsend, hey13:40
ChrisTownsendseb128: Have you heard anything else about these mouse wheel scrolling issues from upstream Gtk?  We are getting quite a few bugs about them now.13:40
seb128ChrisTownsend, no, I didn't, out of the fact that your patch was basically recreating the bug that their commit is fixing13:41
ChrisTownsendseb128: Well, their commit is a pretty bad regression.13:41
seb128ChrisTownsend, I didn't see any issue with it here so I wouldn't claim that13:42
ChrisTownsendseb128: I have a PPA that people are using and it is fixing their issues and haven't seen any negative side effects.13:42
ChrisTownsendseb128: I can easily recreate the issues these people are seeing.13:42
seb128ChrisTownsend, could you reproduce the bug that the upstream commit is supposed to fix?13:43
seb128ChrisTownsend, well, they are using non default compiz options...13:43
ChrisTownsendseb128: Hmm, I have not tried to reproduce the original issue.13:43
seb128ChrisTownsend, I don't like fixing bugs by reverting fixes :/13:44
seb128ideally we would have a solution that fixes both issues13:44
ChrisTownsendseb128: I agree.  That's what I was trying to do, but I simply am not that well versed in Gtk to fully understand how to fix this correctly.13:45
ChrisTownsendseb128: But it sure is making Compiz look bad:\13:45
ChrisTownsendseb128: However, I have seen anecdotal evidence that some of these issues are still seen even when not using Compiz.13:46
seb128ChrisTownsend, not in its default configuration, those users should know better than enabling those crazy options :/13:46
ChrisTownsendseb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/1240957/comments/613:46
ubot2Launchpad bug 1240957 in GTK+ "Scrolling behaviour and window focus has changed and is inconsistent" [Medium,Confirmed]13:46
ChrisTownsendseb128: That user claims it happens when using IceWm.13:47
seb128ChrisTownsend, not sure what we are arguing about there, it's a bug and it would be good to be fixed13:48
seb128ChrisTownsend, is your argument that we should regress on the upstream fix because we can't fix the second bug and the first one at the same time?13:48
ChrisTownsendseb128: Yeah, I think more people are being affected by the second bug than the first one.13:49
ChrisTownsendseb128: Who has the knowledge and motivation to fix both bugs at the same time?13:50
qenghoHi. A chromium-browser claims that there's a bug I don't understand. What would make chromium-browser contents seem to draw over another app?  I am pretty sure it's not that a top app is not repainting itself. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/117323413:51
ubot2Launchpad bug 1173234 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Chromium's content doesn't respect z order, obscuring everything else" [Undecided,Confirmed]13:51
seb128ChrisTownsend, well, garnacho would fix it if he was able to reproduce I think13:53
seb128qengho, that could be a window manager or graphical stack issue I guess13:53
Laneyhey seb12813:54
seb128ChrisTownsend, I would need to read again what was the original issue they tried to fixed that introduced the other bug13:54
Laneyyou changed colour13:54
seb128Laney, hey13:54
Laneynew client?13:54
seb128colour?13:54
Laneyyeah you used to be red and now you are pink13:54
seb128in your irssi?13:54
Laneyya13:54
seb128is the color coming from the server?13:54
Laneynope13:54
seb128I'm still using the same machine/xchat-gnome13:54
seb128but I'm in Canada13:54
ChrisTownsendseb128: Ok, I didn't fully understand the original issue.  Thanks!13:55
kenvandineseb128, 2 weeks in canada, isn't that long enough to be considered a canadian?14:00
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seb128kenvandine, could be, but they don't even speak french in that part of Canada, who would like to stay here?14:02
kenvandinehaha14:02
kenvandineseb128, what's secret sauce to construct a url to specific crash reports on e.u.c?14:19
seb128kenvandine, construct from where?14:20
kenvandinei thought there was parameters you could pass to find reports from your machine14:20
kenvandineetc14:20
kenvandinesome uuid from your computer or something14:20
kenvandineand other info14:20
seb128kenvandine, oh, that14:20
seb128kenvandine, webbrowser 'http://errors.ubuntu.com/user/'$(printf $(sudo cat /sys/class/dmi/id/product_uuid) | sha512sum)14:20
kenvandineawesome14:21
kenvandinethx14:21
seb128yw14:21
seb128ChrisTownsend, the original gtk issue was that e.g gedit would scroll when you focus it by the distance you scrolled in other apps when it was not focussed, that's a pretty annoying bug as well14:26
seb128ChrisTownsend, e.g https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69027514:26
ubot2Gnome bug 690275 in general "scrolling on other windows is applied when coming back (gedit and evince at least)" [Major,Resolved: fixed]14:26
seb128bregma, did you see my ping about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1241593 yesterday?14:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1241593 in unity (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/compiz:11:unity::SearchBarSpinner::Draw:nux::View::ProcessDraw:nux::Layout::ProcessDraw:nux::Layout::ProcessDraw:unity::SearchBar::DrawContent" [Undecided,New]14:26
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bregmaseb128, I created that bug from e.u.c, but we've never seen it happen and none of the instances have any useful information14:31
kenvandineseb128, is it odd that the error reports listed for me link to blank pages?14:31
seb128bregma, ok14:31
mdeslaurseb128: can I get a confirmation from the desktop team on bug 1243235 please?14:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 1243235 in libav (Ubuntu) "Please demote libav to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124323514:31
kenvandineor could they be new reports that need some processing or something?14:31
seb128kenvandine, check with ev, maybe that an outdated way or something14:32
kenvandineit did list 2 reports for me, which also seems odd... i'd think there would be tons14:32
kenvandineok14:32
seb128mdeslaur, done14:33
mdeslaurseb128: ty14:33
seb128kenvandine, check, I think there is a link in the g-c-c privacy panel as well14:33
kenvandineah, there is14:33
kenvandinetakes me to the same page14:33
ChrisTownsendseb128: Yeah, I was re-reading the original bug as well and I agree, that is very annoying.  I've asked in the new wheel scroll bugs if anyone has non-default wheel bindings.  Maybe someone has this issue besides the Compiz workspace switching bindings.  I'd really like to find a better repro case for garnacho.14:34
seb128ChrisTownsend, seems like some people have the issue under xfce or KDE, maybe try with those14:36
seb128pitti, hey14:43
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seb128pitti, would you consider https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1055464 being the same issue than https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/cc5ba09ec065c27e619e5731ec052741e738b3f2 ?14:43
ubot2Launchpad bug 1055464 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "apport-gtk crashed with ValueError in _apt_pkg(): package rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store does not exist" [Medium,Triaged]14:43
pittisalut seb12814:43
seb128pitti, that report is ranking 19 on the saucy bugs list14:44
pittiseb128: traceback on errors doesn't make it fully clear that it's from a hook, but it's plausible14:45
seb128pitti, well, in any case, it seems like apport should trigger an error dialog because a package doesn't exist, it should just display an UI to tell that to the user and exit no?14:45
pittiseb128: hm, tricky; report.add_package_info() is relatively low-level API, I wouldn't really like to make that ignore errors14:46
seb128pitti, or do we want to learn about those through bts?14:46
seb128bts=backtraces14:46
pittiseb128: but it's a bit weird, if the hook itself crashes, apport should just ignore that14:46
pittiseb128: it's useless for the user if the hook specifies an invalid package14:46
pittiseb128: I mean "for the user to know", as he can't do anything about it14:47
seb128pitti, clicking through some of the reports, that seems to happen on random packages, some of those are outdated kernel versions14:47
pittiI have some doublts that this is from bdmurray's rhythmbox package hook14:48
seb128the most common one seems skype14:48
pittiwe don't ship any hook referring to skype14:49
pittiseb128: so it could rather be that this somehow comes from a package which got removed after a dist-upgrade, but the .crash was still from before the upgrade?14:49
seb128pitti, right14:50
pittibut where does the rhythmbox-store thing come from then14:50
pittithat was dropped in lucid already14:50
seb128pitti, the rb case is a buggy hook, I'm fixing it14:51
seb128pitti, see /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py14:51
pittiright14:51
seb128    stacktrace = report.get("Stacktrace", None)14:51
seb128    if stacktrace:14:51
seb128        if "ubuntuone" in stacktrace or "webkit" in stacktrace:14:51
seb128            report.add_package_info("rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store")14:51
pittithat part is clear14:51
pittiseb128: but if a hook crashes, apport doesn't crash14:51
pittiit just prints the stack trace to stderr and goes on14:51
pitti(precisely for reasons like that)14:51
pittielif not apport.packaging.is_distro_package(report['Package'].split()[0]):14:52
pittioh, that could be it14:52
pittiseb128: ok, I think I know what's going on, thanks for pointing out14:57
seb128pitti, great, thanks for looking to it (I'm trying to reproduce)14:57
seb128brb14:58
seb128pitti, I can't reproduce that bug, even by adding/removing packages or sources and doing some kill 11 in between15:19
ChrisTownsendseb128: About the wheel scrolling, Xfce/Xfwm is affected since it binds workspace switching to the mouse wheel by default.15:23
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seb128ChrisTownsend, great15:30
seb128oh, it's meeting time:15:30
seb128!15:30
mlankhorstnah15:30
seb128qengho, Sweetshark, mlankhorst, Laney, tkamppeter, desrt, attente, larsu: hey15:30
desrtMEETING15:30
larsu\o/15:31
mlankhorstohai15:31
seb128congrats on the saucy release, good job everyone ;-)15:32
seb128let's get start with the meeting, I expect it's going to be a short one, between release and sprint15:33
seb128qengho, hey15:33
Sweetsharko/15:33
qenghoHi hi.15:33
qengho- Close to releasing chromium-browser. Handing to #webapps for testing, as soon as PPA builder finishes.15:33
qengho- Bug-report triaging.15:33
qengho...and whatever comes up from that.15:33
seb128qengho, thanks15:35
seb128Sweetshark, hey15:35
Sweetshark- build LibreOffice 4.0.6 for raring PPA (last minor, should likely be SRUed) - added patch which missed upstream tagging - smoketesting right now, should move over to the ppa ~today, SRU in a 1-2 weeks - rc2 = final15:35
Sweetshark- cleaned up pbuilders, setup stuff for trusty15:35
Sweetshark- investigating fdo#70741, which: - isnt happening with an upstream build - reportedly wasnt there with LibreOffice 3.6/quantal packages - thus a regression in both directions15:35
Sweetshark- still cleaning up all the leftover bits (TODO down into the 40ies, yay!1!)15:35
SweetsharkEOF15:35
seb128Sweetshark, thanks15:36
seb128mlankhorst, hey15:36
mlankhorsttesting nested mir -> works, confirmed for someone else to work too. \o/ mesa 9.1.7 upload to raring + verification, fixing i915 s->q kernel backport. wine1.7 fixes for saucy and trusty, fixing arsenal scripts, filing a lts-s bug, and requesting a MRE for other lts-s components \015:36
seb128mlankhorst, thanks15:37
seb128Laney, hey15:37
Laneywell hello15:37
Laney• system-settings MPs15:37
Laney∘ urihandler to switch panels in running instance15:37
Laney∘ Make AS (greeter) background setting work again (TODO: re-enable UI)15:37
Laney∘ Use more standard controls/appearance in the wifi panel15:37
Laney∘ TODO: check language panel locale setting for LC_*15:37
Laney• Various SRUs including precise gnome-control-center/glib (verification) and saucy glib/glib-networking/gnome-control-center15:37
Laney• Fix some services for trusty opening such as codesearch, UDD and the transition tracker15:37
Laney• Push back a little bit on upower dropping some signals/API. Not sure we'll win on this one (don't look so shocked) so may have to port if we want 1.0.15:37
Laney• Started working through my large merge/sync list. RB 3.0 coming soon.15:37
Laney• DMB15:37
seb128rb3, great15:39
seb128Laney, speaking of DMB, what's the status of Sweetshark/libreoffice?15:39
Laneydon't know, bdrung was away for a while15:40
seb128(sorry, I seem to be lagging here)15:41
seb128Laney, thanks15:42
seb128tkamppeter, hey15:42
tkamppeter- cups-filters: Working on pdftoippprinter filter for PPD-(configuration)-less printing on IPP printers, especially with mobile devices.15:42
tkamppeter- Upgraded my machines to Saucy and tried to debug a ghost monitor problem.15:42
tkamppeter- Talked with tvoss about steps needed for mobile printing (PPD-less, small-footprint, start daemon on-demand).15:42
tkamppeter- Bugs.15:42
seb128tkamppeter, thanks15:42
seb128desrt, hey15:42
desrtseb128: hey15:42
desrtso, most importantly: took seb128 to niagara falls15:42
seb128;-)15:43
desrtthis was hard work, and very boring15:43
desrtbut it's done now15:43
desrtthe rest of the stuff is pretty minor:15:43
* seb128 hugs desrt, good job!15:43
desrtsmacked down the glib bug backlog a bit15:43
desrtimplemented a faster search algorithm for desktop files that includes support for intersecting results like "gno calc" (thanks larsu for design help there)15:43
desrtrebased desktop file index, added some nice testcases15:43
desrtremoved the gmaincontext qdata dependency from the appinfo monitor -- i don't think i want the qdata api on gmaincontext anymore because quarks are kinda dumb for this purpose15:43
desrtwrote a png parser so that we can have a thumbnail-validity attribute on GFile15:43
desrtmade some changes to and landed the gapplication commandline tool15:43
desrtlanded gsubprocess (after endless years of back and forth with colin)15:43
desrtlanded gnotification (after endless months of back and forth with larsu)15:43
desrt(eof)15:43
seb128desrt, thanks15:44
seb128attente, hey15:44
attentealt+shift bug15:44
attenteeof :(15:44
desrtalso: bought seb128 expensive beer15:44
desrtand hopefully got a full night of sleep last night, for the first time in a while :)15:44
Laneyhaha15:44
Laneypoor attente15:44
attenteit's the best beer in the world at least :P15:44
seb128that bug is b****15:45
desrtat freakin $22/bottle, it ought to be15:45
Laneywtf15:45
seb128lol15:45
Laneybring one to oak :-)15:45
seb128attente, I'm glad we finally got a SRU round out for those keyboard issues, good job, that's a tricky topic15:45
desrtLaney: they only serve it in a bar.  i don't expect they'd let you leave with it.15:45
* seb128 guesses attente understands know why nobody picked those items before ;-)15:46
desrtattente: ya.. congrats for finally getting that solved.15:46
desrtand your 'hack' is not so much a hack as it is 'the way that X works' :/15:46
desrt(for better or worse)15:46
seb128everybody should pay attente a beer next week for the hard work he did this cycle on those crazy keyboard stuff15:46
larsudesrt: isn't that another word for "hack"?15:46
seb128attente, thanks15:46
seb128larsu, your turn!15:46
=== vrruiz_ is now known as rvr
larsusure15:47
larsu- look into writing a DBusObject component for accessing D-Bus from QML (have a rough prototype, waiting for feedback)15:47
larsu- indicator-sound: allow changing the volume with the left/right keys15:47
desrt<larsu> mentally prepared to eat a very good burger15:47
larsueof15:47
larsu- fix panel icons not updating sometimes (thanks seb128 and attente)15:47
larsu- add TimeFormatter to unity8: an object that does what strftime does but changes the time when the timezone changes (waiting on review)15:47
larsu- other minor fixes in the indicators15:47
larsuoh yeah.15:47
Laneywriting after the eof, bad form15:47
desrtmethinks larsu doesn't know how 'eof' works15:47
desrtminus 3 points15:47
larsueverbody answers questions aftr the eof15:47
larsuEVERYBODY15:47
seb128you didn't answer questions15:47
seb128you kept listing items15:48
Laneythat's a different f15:48
desrteof means "start asking questions now"15:48
attente?15:48
attenteoh15:48
attentelol15:48
seb128larsu, thanks ;-)15:48
larsudesrt: you asked too quickly15:48
desrtlarsu: i didn't ask anything.  only complained :)15:48
* Sweetshark wonders if the niagara rushes en francais even on the US side now. I know that seb128 can be very convincing ...15:48
seb128so my turn15:48
seb128* Updated GTK to 3.8.5, found a regression, talked to upstream, got a fix and 3.8.6 out, SRUed that15:48
seb128* helped to reproduce some indicator bugs/provide debug infos/test fixes15:48
seb128* some bug triage after saucy to list things worth SRUing15:48
seb128* looked at errors.ubuntu.com most common issues15:48
seb128* tried to help attente with the keyboard layout switching/keybinding issues in saucy15:48
seb128* looked at/tested some of the ubuntu-system-settings merge requests15:48
seb128* some bug fixes/SRU for saucy (libgpod, file-roller)15:49
seb128</week>15:49
desrtseb forgot to mention niagara falls15:49
seb128oh, right15:49
Sweetsharkdesrt: thus: needs repeating ...15:49
desrtalso: his increasing waistline15:49
seb128oh, yeah, I forgot a good part of the list15:49
Laneywhere are you guys this week?15:49
larsutoronto15:49
desrtLaney: toronto15:49
seb128saw the nice falls, got rained on, got rained on AGAIN (what's wrong with this country)15:50
Laneyin someone's flat?15:50
larsuLaney: no...15:50
desrtLaney: scattered presently, but we're meeting in kensington market for lunch15:50
seb128working through Toronto's places-to-visit-for-food list from desrt-larsu-attente15:50
larsuseb128 is making good progress topo15:50
larsu*too15:50
seb128that's hard work man15:50
desrttoo many good places to eat in toronto for one week15:50
Laneyaha15:50
larsuit's like we'd need to come here again...15:51
Laneysounds awful, truly15:51
seb128Laney, larsu and I are currently in a Starbuck15:51
desrthence spotty wifi15:51
Sweetsharkseb128: thats ok, you are keeping the rain out of Hamburg -- exceptionally good weather here, usually we always have some little bit of rain all the time.15:51
seb128Sweetshark, not you15:51
larsuand desrt and attente are surely on their way to kensington market15:51
seb128desrt is also saying that's I'm the one bringing the rain15:51
desrttoday actually looks like a pretty nice day...15:51
seb128:-(15:51
bdrungLaney: i came back yesterday15:51
desrtseb128: i only say it 'cause it's true15:51
Laneybdrung: \o/15:52
desrtit was freaking amazing in both toronto and montreal before you showed up :p15:52
seb128desrt, wait for me to go out of the starbuck, I'm sure it's going to star raining15:52
larsuraining stars?15:52
desrtseb128, larsu, attente: when do you guys want to meet?15:52
seb128start :p15:52
larsudesrt: asap15:52
* larsu <-- hungry15:52
LaneyEOM?15:52
seb128ok, I guess END OF MEETING15:52
desrtk.  i'll go hop on the streetcar15:52
seb128thanks everyone15:52
desrtseb128: thanks :D15:52
* Sweetshark thinks desrt is taking the "blame it on Canada" game and turns it against seb128 15:52
seb128Oakland next week \o/15:52
desrtattente: btw: i can explain the weirdness of your app not working properly last night15:53
Laneyya, see you saturday/sunday15:53
desrtattente: the long branch line is shutdown so _all_ cars shortturn at the humber loop15:53
attente:(15:53
desrtthey have a bus connection there15:53
desrtso i guess green line for me today =)15:53
Sweetsharkseb128: as for Oakland -- no need to bring that weather.15:53
desrtsee you all soon.15:53
seb128Sweetshark, I'm working on it, let's see15:54
Sweetshark;)15:54
seb128desrt, ttyiab15:54
Mirvdidrocks: so also today the weekly = landing call?15:56
didrocksMirv: yeah15:56
* didrocks waves good evening16:31
Laneypushed rb to bzr16:32
Laneywaiting for a rb-ubuntuone merge before uploading it16:32
tkamppeterAnyone working with emacs here?16:34
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happyaronLaney: see LP: #1194117 and LP: #1243321 and tell about your feelings, :)17:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 1194117 in ubuntukylin-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Version Logo in Detail dialog of "About this computer" can't be customized" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119411717:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 1243321 in ubuntukylin-default-settings (Ubuntu) "sed hacks in chroot hook script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124332117:31
Laneywhy so much branding?17:33
happyaron:)17:33
happyaronprobably this is only a half that gets modified, some are done in clean ways, some other are not (and am finding more)17:35
LaneyI'm pretty sure the grub one is actively wrong17:36
LaneyAnd not sure what the effect of the others are17:36
* happyaron don't think any of the above is correct17:36
LaneyIndeed17:37
LaneyI advise you to remove them and apply branding sensibly and in moderation :-)17:37
happyaronthat's already done in raring cycle, I'm just trying my best to revert them. obiviously they don't like "regressions" so it's difficult.17:39
happyaronthere were many overrides of system services in post-raring time, like avahi-daemon and modemmanager...17:41
mterryrobru, I tested with saucy valac, and it worked.  I think you have saucy valac, but also have installed GTK 3.10 at some point?18:37
mterryrobru, (re: deja-dup)18:37
robrumterry, hmmm, I don't think I installed gtk 3.10. I was using gnome-shell for a while but uninstalled it before 3.10 landed i thought.18:38
robrumterry, duh, how would I even check that?18:41
mterryrobru, apt-cache policy libgtk-3-018:42
robru3.8.418:42
* mterry shakes fist at sky18:43
mterryrobru, I just compiled trunk with saucy valac and gtk18:43
mterryrobru, so I have cmake logic in deja-dup that checks your version of gtk18:43
mterryrobru, and it only enables the optional gtk 3.10 stuff if it detects a later version18:43
robrumterry, hang on, i'll try it again in a clean vm, my dev system often has all kinds of crap installed18:43
mterryrobru, ooh18:43
mterryrobru, no18:43
mterryrobru, maybe merge trunk into the branch firt18:44
mterryrobru, I bet I fixed the detection in trunk after I branched that?18:44
robruok, i'll try18:44
mterryseb128, is there any way we could upgrade to gtk 3.10 but patch out all their crazy regressions?  I like the new widgets18:46
* mterry knows that's not reasonable, is just sad18:46
xnoxmterry: which ones? =)18:46
xnox(can we cherry pick new widgets?!)18:47
seb128mterry, I can diff gtk-3-10 gtk-3-8 and apply the patch over gtk 3.10? ;-)18:47
kenvandinenew widgets?  i've not really paid any attention to gtk lately18:47
mterryxnox, GtkListBox and GtkHeaderBar in particular18:47
robrumterry, oh my, that's a big diff18:47
mterryrobru, which is?18:48
mterrykenvandine, https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/api-index-3-10.html is huge18:48
mterryxnox, we could cherrypick, but configure-time detection would be hard18:48
robrumterry, i merged trunk into your branch, it touched dozens of files. i was just expecting something small18:49
robrumterry, I agree, I'm eager to start using GtkHeaderBar in Gottengeography ;-)18:49
seb128mterry, we could be reasonable, get a solid LTS out and then get crazy ;-)18:49
mterryseb128, the regressions are crazy, new widgets are sexy18:49
seb128cool, we have a new gtk maintainer18:50
seb128mterry, congrats, the job is yours!18:50
seb128;-)18:50
mterryrobru, I've been doing lots of UI tweaks and build system changes18:50
mterryseb128, I hear robert_ancell is back on Desktop, I'm sure he doesn't have enough yet18:50
xnoxmterry: robru: seb128: did you hear about the GTK3 CSS bug that caused last-minute ubiquity respins for saucy? Adding a class to one evenbox, caused "Install Now" button to become insensitive and hence no way to finish the install (also stealing all the events going to that button)18:50
* xnox is still trying to work out if ubiquity is doing something insane.18:51
mterryxnox, :(18:51
robruyikes18:51
xnoxbut to be honest adding CSS class to one object, shouldn't be affecting _other_ objects without that css class defined.18:51
robruhey guys! guys. hey, guys. when can we update to trusty?!18:53
kenvandinerobru, funny, i haven't really thought about updating my computer to trusty yet, but i'm itching to update my phone to trusty18:56
kenvandineoh how times have changed :)18:56
robrukenvandine, lol18:56
robrukenvandine, well I ask because i tried 'do-release-upgrade -d' last night but it didn't find trusty yet.18:56
kenvandineoh?  i thought that should work by now18:57
robrukenvandine, it mentioned trusty briefly right at the start but then it put saucy into sources.list and upgraded me within saucy.18:58
mterryrobru, kenvandine: I'm on trusty18:58
mterryrobru, I just manually edited sources.list18:58
mterryrobru, it's pretty similar so far.  :(  I was disappointed by lack of updates18:59
robrumterry, ah, sneaky18:59
robrumterry, lol18:59
mterryJust new gcc really18:59
mterryrobru, thanks for review!18:59
robrumterry, you're welcome!19:00
mterryrobru, did you play with the new preferences at all?  I've been toying with the layout.  Curious if it rocks or sucks19:00
robrumterry, didn't look at it, no. just ran the testsuite.19:00
mterryrobru, fair.  Oooh, we also have autopilot tests now!  You can run "make autopilot" or "make autopilot-system" to get em19:01
xnoxrobru: i'm running trusty since ~30min it was created. Dist-upgraded right away.19:01
mterryxnox, boring, right?   :(19:02
xnoxrobru: i can't remember when we enable "do-release-upgrad -d" maybe around alpha1, not sure.19:02
mterryseb128, alpha users are demanding excitement!  Better throw 3.10 in!19:02
* seb128 throws mterry in19:02
* seb128 adds some lions19:02
mterry:)19:02
xnoxmterry: love it! new boost, new perl, new db, new postgres, new emacs, new gcc (which works with abi-compliance-checker)19:03
mterryxnox, pfft, I can't get pumped about that layer of the stack19:03
* xnox goes to upload ubuntu-themes19:04
mterryyay19:04
xnoxwould that be a thriller?19:04
mterryxnox, shouldn't debian packages be trickling in too?19:04
sarnoldyou're not thrilled about the new point release of boost??19:04
xnoxmterry: oh yeah, we had like a 5k hit.19:04
xnoxmterry: it's all compiled on armhf, but i386/amd64 are taking a while.19:04
mterryxnox, fair enough19:04
robruxnox, what version of emacs did you upgrade from/to? I've been running trunk snapshots for as long as i can remember.19:07
robrumterry, hmm, i get a failure with the AP tests...19:08
mterryrobru, ooh, do tell19:08
robrumterry, oh, nm, it looks like it's related to the GtkHeaderBar that I don't have anyway19:08
seb128xnox, you don't get to upload ubuntu-themes, that's under autolanding land19:08
mterryrobru, huh, I didn't think we tested that19:08
mterryrobru, yeah, that shouldn't come up...19:09
robrumterry, then what's this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6284697/19:09
mterryrobru, that's talking about the header label for the progress bar.  I'm guessing it's a race condition  :(19:11
mterryrobru, is your computer super fast?19:11
robru:(19:11
robrumterry, ... yes? it's an 8-core i7.19:11
mterryrobru, there's a known race in my autopilot testing, but I didn't know if real-world runs would hit it.   I can fix, I'll just have to tag some widgets19:12
mterryrobru, so don't worry about AP failures yet I guess19:12
robrumterry, ok, no worries. man, I need to write some AP tests for gottengeography. it's testsuite is crap19:13
ajmitchLaney: throwing me under the bus again? :P19:31
Laney:D19:45
robrumterry, whoa, just tried deja-dup-preferences from trunk. looks great!19:52
mterryrobru, nice  :)  If you run the ccpanel version, we put a little switch in the header for enabling/disabling auto backups too19:52
seb128cyphermox, can we get indicator-session and indicator-datetime from 3.10 series SRUed?19:53
mterry(or if you run 3.10, we put it in the HeaderBar)19:53
robrumterry, cool!19:53
cyphermoxsure, as soon as I'm done with some merges here19:53
=== m_conley is now known as m_conley_away
seb128qengho, chrisccoulson: is any of you working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1195797? that's one of the most reported saucy issues21:10
ubot2seb128: Error: launchpad bug 1195797 not found21:10
chrisccoulsonseb128, oh, no. sorry, that slipped off my radar, and i've been busy with other things ;)21:17
seb128chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?21:17
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, not too bad thanks21:18
qenghoseb128: which is that?  I get 40421:29
seb128qengho, reload21:30
qenghoseb128: Nope, I haven't seen this one.  I'll begin it next.21:33
seb128qengho, thanks21:33
qenghochrisccoulson: I'm stealing it.21:34

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