[00:40] <ronj> darkxst, I'm currently running 3.8 (did ppa-purge). Tomorrow I'll re-install shell 3.10 from the PPA and will apport-collect
[03:23] <bei> what does it mean when you attempt to turn on/install an extension from extensions.gnome.org it seems to install but then the on button slides back to off (and it hasn't installed)?
[03:28] <sgo11> hi, I keep getting "Backup" notice. "Keep your files safe by backing up regularly". how can I disable it by modifying a config file? thanks.
[04:23] <x-Na> Hmmh
[04:23] <x-Na> Anyone awake?
[04:32] <x-Na> What would be the best way to debug the problem I have with Gnome-shell crashing (disappearing) after selecting "Switch user"
[04:39] <darkxst> x-Na, file a bug
[04:39] <darkxst> `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell`
[04:54] <x-Na> Ok, but what would be the best way to get all the necessary data collected with that?
[04:55] <x-Na> I had to purge those ppa's as I needed to get things working, but I can reinstall Gnome 3.10, if necessary
[06:40] <Amon__> ahoy. if i wanted to migrate from ubuntu (standard) 13.04 to ubuntu gnome 13.10 where would i look for a hands on guide?
[07:03] <mgedmin> hm, I can't find anything on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[07:04] <mgedmin> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html is what I did to migrate from ubuntu 13.04 to ubuntu gnome 13.04
[07:04] <mgedmin> (and then I upgraded to 13.10 using Update Manager, as usual)
[07:07] <mgedmin> (actually, according to the date in my diary, I used that process when I had ubuntu 12.10, not 13.04)
[07:08] <Amon__> but this is just for modifying ubuntu standard
[07:09] <darkxst> Amon__, Upgrade to 13.10 first
[07:09] <darkxst> then install ubuntu-gnome-desktop + ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[07:09] <darkxst> probably best to remove ubuntu-default-settings after that also
[07:11] <Amon__> and then my installation will be ubuntu gnome without changing any entries in sources.list?
[07:11] <mgedmin> essentially, yes
[07:12] <mgedmin> you may also want to enable the gnome 3 PPA, but in 13.10 it doesn't have much (just updated System Preferences that make it impossible for anyone to configure Empathy)
[07:12] <mgedmin> so maybe not
[07:14] <Amon__> and after the next release i will be still on ubuntu standard, or will this switch me to the release cycle of ubuntu gnome?
[07:24] <mgedmin> you will stay on ubuntu gnome
[07:24] <mgedmin> (they use the same repositories, it's just a matter of different packages getting installed from those repositories; controlled by the metapackages like ubuntu-gnome-desktop)
[07:26] <Amon__> aha. so i can switch from ubuntu standard to kde, to gnome or whatever other flavours there are just by installing a different package because cannonical ships them all in one big repository?
[07:28] <darkxst> mgedmin, why so? empathy should still work with gnome3 ppa and if it doesnt file a bug, we are hoping to get that into Trusty soon
[07:29] <mgedmin> darkxst, I'll file a bug
[07:30] <mgedmin> AFAIU there are two sources for online account configuration sources: one used by Ubuntu Online Accounts, one used by GNOME Online Accounts
[07:31] <mgedmin> I'm not sure, but I think one lives in gconf, and the other in dconf?
[07:31] <mgedmin> anyway, Ubuntu patched empathy to use the accounts to use Ubuntu Online Accounts, IIRC
[07:31] <darkxst> mgedmin, we don't install Ubuntu online accounts
[07:31] <mgedmin> but the control-center from the gnome3-team PPA hides that applet in the control center
[07:31] <darkxst> in which case gnome online accounts should work fine
[07:31] <mgedmin> empathy does a runtime check?
[07:32] <darkxst> yes, it may be broken currently if both are installed though
[07:33] <mgedmin> there's no package called 'ubuntu-online-accounts'; what's the proper name?
[07:33] <mgedmin> if the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage doesn't conflict with it I very likely still have it installed
[07:34] <darkxst> its gnome-control-center-signon or something like that
[07:35] <darkxst> we don't conflict with it, so if you transitioned from normal ubuntu yeh it would still be
[07:39] <mgedmin> ah, ok, so empathy merges accounts from both sources
[07:39] <mgedmin> and all I have to do is re-add all my accounts
[07:43] <mgedmin> I don't know why I assumed it would use either one source or the other but not both :)
[07:45] <darkxst> mgedmin, it works with either, but not both at once (i believe)
[07:45] <darkxst> and probably UOA get priority over GOA
[07:45] <darkxst> ^possibly
[07:46] <mgedmin> I was just looking at my empathy accounts list with both google accounts (one entered via UOA, one entered via GOA)
[07:46] <mgedmin> the UOA one stopped working after the upgrade (AFAIU it just needs a google OAUTH reauthorization, but I can't reach the UI for it), the GOA one works just dandy!
[07:47] <mgedmin> so, awesome and many thanks
[09:04] <Emery> Morning
[09:09] <darkxst> Hi Emery
[09:09] <Emery> Well I remember when #ubuntu was this sparse, new distro. Exciting eh
[09:12] <darkxst> yeh things seem to be going well!
[09:14] <Emery> I assume it's your project ? I wasn't a fan of the butchered version ubuntu rolled out of the gnome3 fallback
[09:14] <darkxst> Emery, fallback is long gone
[09:15] <Emery> heh I love the old fallback, quite a fan of Gnome2 still
[09:15] <darkxst> Gnome Classic is supposed to cater for that
[09:15] <Emery> MATE does a good enough job of Gnome2
[09:16] <darkxst> right, but this distro is about gnome3 + gnome-shell ;)
[09:16] <Emery> Ha I wasn't talking about this distro ;)
[09:19] <Emery> How big is your team darkxst
[09:24] <darkxst> Still quite small
[09:25] <darkxst> Although we do have a lot of testers thanks to Ali ;)
[09:26] <Emery> Ah sweet
[09:26] <Emery> I work/with Kubuntu (support)
[09:27] <Emery> with/for/
[09:27] <darkxst> oh cool
[09:28] <Emery> only the best jobs can you work, and IRC ;)
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[11:59] <cyberalex4life> hello
[11:59] <cyberalex4life> can anyone help me with something?
[12:01] <bjsnider> mgedmin, the bug in empathy-accounts is known
[12:01] <bjsnider> it i mmediately segfaults
[12:02] <cyberalex4life> sudo watch -n 1  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[12:02] <cyberalex4life> this command should tell me the instantanious cpu frequency
[12:03] <bjsnider> don't ask to ask dude
[12:03] <cyberalex4life> well the ideea is that I am using Ubuntu Gnome 13.10
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> and I have an i7 3610Qm processor
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> on my laptop. The frequency is never higher than 2301000
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> with that command
[12:05] <cyberalex4life> it should go at least 3 maybe 3.1 Ghz
[12:07] <oswald-p> Hi all
[12:09] <oswald-p> I was wondering if someone is expericing issues with evolution language pack
[12:09] <oswald-p> In my install evolution menus are in english but my system is configured in french.
[12:32] <clepto> Hello! I'm interested in developing for ubuntu-gnome. What language do you use?
[12:33] <bjsnider> english
[12:34] <clepto> bjsnider: funny.. programming language :)
[12:35] <cyberalex4life> well I saw many things in python
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> c++ probably is another choice
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> javascript
[12:37] <clepto> nice
[12:37] <clepto> cyberalex4life: any link indicating where can I start?
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> even bash scripts are very usefull
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> no link
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> look out there
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> start with what you like
[12:38] <clepto> cyberalex4life: no bugs or anything?
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> this should keep going as passion is more powerfull than somebody elses opinion
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> u can take a look at some bash scripts books out there
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> it will help you understand commands
[12:41] <clepto> cyberalex4life: I'm already familiar with programming.. mostly python
[12:42] <bjsnider> all we're basically doing here is packaging
[12:42] <bjsnider> if you want to do something in gnome that's a different thing
[12:43] <bjsnider> gnome's core devs are not in this channel and don't use ubuntu
[12:43] <clepto> bjsnider: so where should I go?
[12:44] <bjsnider> not sure what your agenda is
[12:44] <clepto> I want to contribute to gnome
[12:45] <bjsnider> contribute what specifically
[12:45] <clepto> code...
[12:45] <bjsnider> are you trying to add a feature you think is missing, are you trying to fix a bug...
[12:46] <clepto> whatever they need... I don't have a personal list... If I can do it I will...
[12:47] <clepto> it doesn't matter if its a feature or a bug
[12:47] <bjsnider> welll, if you want to browse gnome's code it's here: https://git.gnome.org/browse/
[12:47] <bjsnider> if you want to ask about fixing bugs or whatever go to gimpnet and #gnome-shell
[12:48] <bjsnider> there are bugs related to packaging that we have here i'm sure
[12:48] <bjsnider> those are makefiles and bash scripts
[12:48] <bjsnider> it's hard to narrow anything down with no specific goals
[12:49] <clepto> bjsnider: ok thanks!
[12:52] <slawko> hello, I have a question, is it possible to reinstall Ubuntu Gnome with clearing all the settings specified before, but without losing my personal data? Or do I have to do a backup?
[12:53] <slawko> I mean settings specified for all programmes
[12:54] <bjsnider> slawko, there are configuration files and a dconf db that can just be moved out of the way so that defaults are put in their place next time you log in
[12:56] <slawko> I get it, but for example after reinstalling Ubuntu, and changing a password, all callendar settings messed up, as i know it is implemented into shell
[12:56] <slawko> Does it make any diffrence? Or is it included into that db you mentioned?
[12:58] <bjsnider> messed up?
[13:00] <slawko> yep, it asks for passwd all the time, and i can't figure out, what passwd it really wants, each passwd I type, calendar passwd, system passwd etc. it claims it is invalid one
[13:01] <mgedmin> could be the keyring password?  in theory it should be the same as your login password
[13:01] <mgedmin> but if you change it, and something went wrong, then keyring might not have gotten the new password
[13:01] <slawko> mgedmin: i thought so, but it appears invalid
[13:02] <slawko> mgedmin: is there any solution for that problem?
[13:02] <mgedmin> well, we haven't really diagnosed the problem yet
[13:02] <slawko> :)
[13:02] <mgedmin> what does the password popup say, precisely?
[13:02] <mgedmin> if it's the keyring, you can run Seahorse and see if it lets you e.g. change the keyring master password
[13:02] <mgedmin> IIRC
[13:03] <slawko> that's the problem: nothing, it just asks again and again
[13:03] <mgedmin> ouch
[13:04] <mgedmin> but you can IRC
[13:04] <mgedmin> are you using two computers, or ... ?
[13:04] <slawko> yep, I'm on windows now
[13:04] <bjsnider> this would be an annoyance to say the least
[13:05] <slawko> but, let me say again, I can login to ubuntu etc
[13:05] <slawko> I just can't synchronize the calendar :)
[13:06] <slawko> I'm sorry for innacurate description
[13:11] <slawko> mgedmin: I have to go, I'm sorry for bothering you, but thank you for help.
[13:12] <mgedmin> "cannot login" is a good enough (and painful!) description
[13:12] <slawko> you're right
[13:12] <mgedmin> I'd call it a serious bug actually
[13:12] <mgedmin> hmm, is it gnome-shell that provides those auth dialogs, I wonder?
[13:13] <slawko> i forgot to mention about a calendar :)
[13:13] <mgedmin> whichever component it is, it should not let apps keep spamming you
[13:13] <mgedmin> with password prompts
[13:13] <slawko> it is definately a gnome-shell popup
[13:14] <mgedmin> anyway; directories you want to move out of the way in order to reset all settings to default are: ~/.config/, and probably lots more
[13:14] <mgedmin> ~/.local/ perhaps
[13:14] <mgedmin> worth a try
[13:14] <mgedmin> now, how to move them away, if you can't log in?
[13:15] <mgedmin> try a different session maybe?  or the text console (ctrl+alt+f1, log in, mv .config .config.BAD; mv .local .local.BAD; ctrl+alt+f7, try logging in again)
[13:15] <slawko> ok, I'll try it
[13:16] <slawko> If you will be present in the evening, I'll inform you about the effects :)
[13:16] <slawko> for now, thank you for help :)
[13:16] <mgedmin> I might, or someone else might help you
[13:16] <mgedmin> hmm, nothing in gnome 3 should be using ~/.gconf, but it may be worth moving aside as well, just in case
[13:17] <slawko> ok
[13:17] <slawko> i'm going for now
[13:17] <mgedmin> hm, ~/.gnome , ~/.gnome2, ~/.gnome2_private too?
[13:17]  * mgedmin is going through all 174 of his dotfiles/dot directories and looking for suspicious ones
[13:18] <mgedmin> and that's it
[13:18] <mgedmin> moving these aside should suffice
[13:19] <slawko> great
[13:19] <mgedmin> BTW ~/.local is supposed to contain data, not settings (things like addressbooks), but you never know
[13:19] <mgedmin> so don't just remove it
[13:20] <mgedmin> maybe keep it in place first; if that doesn't help, then rename it
[13:20] <slawko> mhm, i get it, ill just rename it
[13:20] <mgedmin> your calendar lives in ~/.local too, BTW
[13:22] <slawko> ok, that was a comprehensive answer for my question :)
[13:22] <slawko> mgedmin: thanks, and bye!
[13:22] <mgedmin> o/
[16:24] <mgedmin> speaking about bugs in the PPA packages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283
[16:24] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1243283 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome-control-center crashes if you change the language of the login screen" [Undecided,New]
[16:25] <mgedmin> oh, I just looked at the URL and realized ubuntu-bug filed it against the PPA, not against ubuntu's gnome-control-center
[16:25] <mgedmin> so the right people will see it
[16:25] <mgedmin> never mind (but please fix that bug, it should be trivial)
[17:08] <loki_> so i just upgraded to ubuntygnome 13.10 and all the gnome animations are very jerky
[17:09] <loki_> anyone had the same experience?
[17:20] <Forage> I ran into a gnome-control-center issue a few days back. After talking about it in the gnome channel mgedmin found the cause and solution for it. It appears to be introduced by the gnome3 team: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283
[17:20] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1243283 in Ubuntu GNOME "gnome-control-center crashes if you change the language of the login screen" [Undecided,New]
[17:53] <Forage> I noticed bugs reported through ubuntu-bug are all assigned to the ubuntu-gnome project, not providing a way to assign it to a specific project. Like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243329 which is a gnome-control-center issue. Am I overlooking something?
[17:53] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1243329 in Ubuntu GNOME "Unable to install new language through Regional & Language" [Undecided,New]
[17:54] <Forage> assign to a specific package that is
[18:53] <mgedmin> Forage, that's only for packages from the gnome3 PPA
[19:23] <qubit01> hey all, I booted up my laptop this morning as usual thats connected to a 24 inch ViewSonic, now the most resolution I can get out of the second monitor is 1024x768.  I'm trying xrandr to manually set it but nothing is taking, ideas ?
[19:23] <qubit01> running 13.04
[19:37] <bei> hi. what would be the best channel be for asking a question about gnome extensions?
[19:41] <bjsnider> probably #gnome-shell on gimpnet
[19:41] <bjsnider> depending on the question
[19:44] <bei> bjsnider: yeah, i decided to try gnome-shell. thanks
[19:46] <calisto3001> hello there :) This is by far the best distro, at least, regarding my criteria of best distro and want I really value in a system :) Ubuntu + Gnome-Shelll is such a great combination. Thanks a lot to all the team
[19:49] <calisto3001> Btw, if you install Delorean-Dark-theme for gtk3 and personalize firefox with gnome-black theme you'll get such a beautiful desktop :) . Afeter installing the nvidia driver plymouth wasnt working, but i managed, with the help of some search, to fix it. It's simply fantastic. Thanks a lot again
[20:51] <isiah> I have some questions regarding issues with online accounts.
[21:06] <darkxst> !ask
[21:06] <ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[21:07] <isiah> Ok
[21:08] <isiah> When I try to connect my Facebook account through the "Settings > Online Accounts" menu system, it does accept my info as being correct, but then I see a warning at the bottom of the desktop saying that there was an authentication error
[21:09] <isiah> I couldn't really find anything helpful through any Google searches.
[21:09] <darkxst> isiah, its a know issue
[21:09] <darkxst> I believe facebook chat will work if you add it as a jabber account
[21:11] <darkxst> isiah, Bug 1222586
[21:11] <ubot5> bug 1222586 in gnome-online-accounts (Ubuntu) "Gnome Online Accounts and Empathy don't connect to Facebook" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222586
[21:11] <isiah> Ok. I did notice that several people had a variety of issues via Jabber, but I couldn't find anything concrete enough to say that the desktop account whatever had issues.
[21:11] <isiah> Thanks, by the way.
[21:13] <darkxst> there is an upstream patch that might help this
[21:22] <bjsnider> could some one do me a favour
[21:22] <bjsnider> open an image file, a jpg for instance
[21:23] <isiah> Sure.
[21:23] <bjsnider> at the bottom of the resulting window there's a percentage
[21:23] <bjsnider> what is it?
[21:23] <isiah> Are you specifically looking at 13.10?
[21:24] <isiah> One is 62%, another 96%, and the third I opened was 47%.
[21:24] <isiah> I'm guessing that is the zoom.
[21:25] <isiah> I can give the sizes if needed
[21:25] <bjsnider> open one that is a smaller resolution than your screen space please
[21:26] <isiah> Would an .xpm suffice (an icon)?
[21:27] <bjsnider> as long as it opens with gnome-image-viewer
[21:27] <isiah> Ok. It is 100% (48x48)
[21:28] <bjsnider> no, that won't work
[21:28] <bjsnider> it's smaller than the window can be resized
[21:29] <bjsnider> it will have to be at least say 400x400
[21:29] <isiah> Ok...I would have to look one up real quick
[21:31] <isiah> 600x400: 98%
[21:31] <isiah> My screen resolution is clearly bigger than that.
[21:32] <bjsnider> there is space on all 4 sides of the window, right?
[21:32] <bjsnider> you can movie it around. there was nothing forcing the window to be that small?
[21:32] <isiah> On the sides, yes.
[21:33] <isiah> And no, I can't move it around.
[21:33] <bjsnider> what about on the top and bottom?
[21:33] <isiah> And no, I can't move it around.
[21:33] <bjsnider> what kind of screen is this, a phone?
[21:33] <isiah> I meant no. (stupid arrow)
[21:33] <isiah> It is a notebook.
[21:34] <bjsnider> i need someone to test this that doesn't have such a small resolution. at least 1280x1024 i would think
[21:34] <isiah> My screen resolution is 1366x768
[21:34] <isiah> Is that good enough?
[21:35] <bjsnider> why is there no space at the top and bottom of a 600 pixel image if your screen is twice that much?
[21:35] <isiah> I don't know.
[21:35] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the window, not the image
[21:36] <bjsnider> the window, including the titlebar, the menubar, the status bar
[21:37] <isiah> There is not space between the image and the bars, but the bars are normal.
[21:37] <isiah> And for this 400x400 image I have up right now, it is at 98%
[21:38] <isiah> There is some space between the image and the sides, though.
[21:39] <isiah> Should I send you a screenshot?
[21:39] <bjsnider> no
[21:39] <isiah> ok
[21:41] <bjsnider> obvious question: why isn't it 100%
[21:41] <isiah> I don't know.
[21:41] <isiah> I'm not a dev working on this...most of what I do is test things.
[21:52] <bjsnider> this isn't the first time eog has had  a bug about opening images scaled down and blurry
[21:52] <bjsnider> i'm sure this was a problem in 3.8 as well
[21:52] <isiah> I never really saw it as a massive issue, though
[21:53] <isiah> But yeah, if my memory serves me correctly, I saw scaled down images in 3.8 as well
[21:55] <bjsnider> when it's scaled down it gets blurry
[21:57] <isiah> Yes, it does. The more zoomed in it gets, the blurrier it gets. It isn't a black-and-white distinction, but it is fairly obvious.
[22:08] <isiah> Where would be the best channel to ask about Empathy-specific issues
[22:08] <isiah> ?
[22:19] <MadNeX> strange