[00:40] <ronj> darkxst, I'm currently running 3.8 (did ppa-purge). Tomorrow I'll re-install shell 3.10 from the PPA and will apport-collect
[03:23] <bei> what does it mean when you attempt to turn on/install an extension from extensions.gnome.org it seems to install but then the on button slides back to off (and it hasn't installed)?
[03:28] <sgo11> hi, I keep getting "Backup" notice. "Keep your files safe by backing up regularly". how can I disable it by modifying a config file? thanks.
[04:23] <x-Na> Hmmh
[04:23] <x-Na> Anyone awake?
[04:32] <x-Na> What would be the best way to debug the problem I have with Gnome-shell crashing (disappearing) after selecting "Switch user"
[04:39] <darkxst> x-Na, file a bug
[04:39] <darkxst> `ubuntu-bug gnome-shell`
[04:54] <x-Na> Ok, but what would be the best way to get all the necessary data collected with that?
[04:55] <x-Na> I had to purge those ppa's as I needed to get things working, but I can reinstall Gnome 3.10, if necessary
[06:40] <Amon__> ahoy. if i wanted to migrate from ubuntu (standard) 13.04 to ubuntu gnome 13.10 where would i look for a hands on guide?
[07:03] <mgedmin> hm, I can't find anything on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME
[07:04] <mgedmin> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-get-complete-gnome-3-desktop-in.html is what I did to migrate from ubuntu 13.04 to ubuntu gnome 13.04
[07:04] <mgedmin> (and then I upgraded to 13.10 using Update Manager, as usual)
[07:07] <mgedmin> (actually, according to the date in my diary, I used that process when I had ubuntu 12.10, not 13.04)
[07:08] <Amon__> but this is just for modifying ubuntu standard
[07:09] <darkxst> Amon__, Upgrade to 13.10 first
[07:09] <darkxst> then install ubuntu-gnome-desktop + ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[07:09] <darkxst> probably best to remove ubuntu-default-settings after that also
[07:11] <Amon__> and then my installation will be ubuntu gnome without changing any entries in sources.list?
[07:11] <mgedmin> essentially, yes
[07:12] <mgedmin> you may also want to enable the gnome 3 PPA, but in 13.10 it doesn't have much (just updated System Preferences that make it impossible for anyone to configure Empathy)
[07:12] <mgedmin> so maybe not
[07:14] <Amon__> and after the next release i will be still on ubuntu standard, or will this switch me to the release cycle of ubuntu gnome?
[07:24] <mgedmin> you will stay on ubuntu gnome
[07:24] <mgedmin> (they use the same repositories, it's just a matter of different packages getting installed from those repositories; controlled by the metapackages like ubuntu-gnome-desktop)
[07:26] <Amon__> aha. so i can switch from ubuntu standard to kde, to gnome or whatever other flavours there are just by installing a different package because cannonical ships them all in one big repository?
[07:28] <darkxst> mgedmin, why so? empathy should still work with gnome3 ppa and if it doesnt file a bug, we are hoping to get that into Trusty soon
[07:29] <mgedmin> darkxst, I'll file a bug
[07:30] <mgedmin> AFAIU there are two sources for online account configuration sources: one used by Ubuntu Online Accounts, one used by GNOME Online Accounts
[07:31] <mgedmin> I'm not sure, but I think one lives in gconf, and the other in dconf?
[07:31] <mgedmin> anyway, Ubuntu patched empathy to use the accounts to use Ubuntu Online Accounts, IIRC
[07:31] <darkxst> mgedmin, we don't install Ubuntu online accounts
[07:31] <mgedmin> but the control-center from the gnome3-team PPA hides that applet in the control center
[07:31] <darkxst> in which case gnome online accounts should work fine
[07:31] <mgedmin> empathy does a runtime check?
[07:32] <darkxst> yes, it may be broken currently if both are installed though
[07:33] <mgedmin> there's no package called 'ubuntu-online-accounts'; what's the proper name?
[07:33] <mgedmin> if the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage doesn't conflict with it I very likely still have it installed
[07:34] <darkxst> its gnome-control-center-signon or something like that
[07:35] <darkxst> we don't conflict with it, so if you transitioned from normal ubuntu yeh it would still be
[07:39] <mgedmin> ah, ok, so empathy merges accounts from both sources
[07:39] <mgedmin> and all I have to do is re-add all my accounts
[07:43] <mgedmin> I don't know why I assumed it would use either one source or the other but not both :)
[07:45] <darkxst> mgedmin, it works with either, but not both at once (i believe)
[07:45] <darkxst> and probably UOA get priority over GOA
[07:45] <darkxst> ^possibly
[07:46] <mgedmin> I was just looking at my empathy accounts list with both google accounts (one entered via UOA, one entered via GOA)
[07:46] <mgedmin> the UOA one stopped working after the upgrade (AFAIU it just needs a google OAUTH reauthorization, but I can't reach the UI for it), the GOA one works just dandy!
[07:47] <mgedmin> so, awesome and many thanks
[09:04] <Emery> Morning
[09:09] <darkxst> Hi Emery
[09:09] <Emery> Well I remember when #ubuntu was this sparse, new distro. Exciting eh
[09:12] <darkxst> yeh things seem to be going well!
[09:14] <Emery> I assume it's your project ? I wasn't a fan of the butchered version ubuntu rolled out of the gnome3 fallback
[09:14] <darkxst> Emery, fallback is long gone
[09:15] <Emery> heh I love the old fallback, quite a fan of Gnome2 still
[09:15] <darkxst> Gnome Classic is supposed to cater for that
[09:15] <Emery> MATE does a good enough job of Gnome2
[09:16] <darkxst> right, but this distro is about gnome3 + gnome-shell ;)
[09:16] <Emery> Ha I wasn't talking about this distro ;)
[09:19] <Emery> How big is your team darkxst
[09:24] <darkxst> Still quite small
[09:25] <darkxst> Although we do have a lot of testers thanks to Ali ;)
[09:26] <Emery> Ah sweet
[09:26] <Emery> I work/with Kubuntu (support)
[09:27] <Emery> with/for/
[09:27] <darkxst> oh cool
[09:28] <Emery> only the best jobs can you work, and IRC ;)
[11:59] <cyberalex4life> hello
[11:59] <cyberalex4life> can anyone help me with something?
[12:01] <bjsnider> mgedmin, the bug in empathy-accounts is known
[12:01] <bjsnider> it i mmediately segfaults
[12:02] <cyberalex4life> sudo watch -n 1  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
[12:02] <cyberalex4life> this command should tell me the instantanious cpu frequency
[12:03] <bjsnider> don't ask to ask dude
[12:03] <cyberalex4life> well the ideea is that I am using Ubuntu Gnome 13.10
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> and I have an i7 3610Qm processor
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> on my laptop. The frequency is never higher than 2301000
[12:04] <cyberalex4life> with that command
[12:05] <cyberalex4life> it should go at least 3 maybe 3.1 Ghz
[12:07] <oswald-p> Hi all
[12:09] <oswald-p> I was wondering if someone is expericing issues with evolution language pack
[12:09] <oswald-p> In my install evolution menus are in english but my system is configured in french.
[12:32] <clepto> Hello! I'm interested in developing for ubuntu-gnome. What language do you use?
[12:33] <bjsnider> english
[12:34] <clepto> bjsnider: funny.. programming language :)
[12:35] <cyberalex4life> well I saw many things in python
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> c++ probably is another choice
[12:36] <cyberalex4life> javascript
[12:37] <clepto> nice
[12:37] <clepto> cyberalex4life: any link indicating where can I start?
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> even bash scripts are very usefull
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> no link
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> look out there
[12:38] <cyberalex4life> start with what you like
[12:38] <clepto> cyberalex4life: no bugs or anything?
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> this should keep going as passion is more powerfull than somebody elses opinion
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> u can take a look at some bash scripts books out there
[12:39] <cyberalex4life> it will help you understand commands
[12:41] <clepto> cyberalex4life: I'm already familiar with programming.. mostly python
[12:42] <bjsnider> all we're basically doing here is packaging
[12:42] <bjsnider> if you want to do something in gnome that's a different thing
[12:43] <bjsnider> gnome's core devs are not in this channel and don't use ubuntu
[12:43] <clepto> bjsnider: so where should I go?
[12:44] <bjsnider> not sure what your agenda is
[12:44] <clepto> I want to contribute to gnome
[12:45] <bjsnider> contribute what specifically
[12:45] <clepto> code...
[12:45] <bjsnider> are you trying to add a feature you think is missing, are you trying to fix a bug...
[12:46] <clepto> whatever they need... I don't have a personal list... If I can do it I will...
[12:47] <clepto> it doesn't matter if its a feature or a bug
[12:47] <bjsnider> welll, if you want to browse gnome's code it's here: https://git.gnome.org/browse/
[12:47] <bjsnider> if you want to ask about fixing bugs or whatever go to gimpnet and #gnome-shell
[12:48] <bjsnider> there are bugs related to packaging that we have here i'm sure
[12:48] <bjsnider> those are makefiles and bash scripts
[12:48] <bjsnider> it's hard to narrow anything down with no specific goals
[12:49] <clepto> bjsnider: ok thanks!
[12:52] <slawko> hello, I have a question, is it possible to reinstall Ubuntu Gnome with clearing all the settings specified before, but without losing my personal data? Or do I have to do a backup?
[12:53] <slawko> I mean settings specified for all programmes
[12:54] <bjsnider> slawko, there are configuration files and a dconf db that can just be moved out of the way so that defaults are put in their place next time you log in
[12:56] <slawko> I get it, but for example after reinstalling Ubuntu, and changing a password, all callendar settings messed up, as i know it is implemented into shell
[12:56] <slawko> Does it make any diffrence? Or is it included into that db you mentioned?
[12:58] <bjsnider> messed up?
[13:00] <slawko> yep, it asks for passwd all the time, and i can't figure out, what passwd it really wants, each passwd I type, calendar passwd, system passwd etc. it claims it is invalid one
[13:01] <mgedmin> could be the keyring password?  in theory it should be the same as your login password
[13:01] <mgedmin> but if you change it, and something went wrong, then keyring might not have gotten the new password
[13:01] <slawko> mgedmin: i thought so, but it appears invalid
[13:02] <slawko> mgedmin: is there any solution for that problem?
[13:02] <mgedmin> well, we haven't really diagnosed the problem yet
[13:02] <slawko> :)
[13:02] <mgedmin> what does the password popup say, precisely?
[13:02] <mgedmin> if it's the keyring, you can run Seahorse and see if it lets you e.g. change the keyring master password
[13:02] <mgedmin> IIRC
[13:03] <slawko> that's the problem: nothing, it just asks again and again
[13:03] <mgedmin> ouch
[13:04] <mgedmin> but you can IRC
[13:04] <mgedmin> are you using two computers, or ... ?
[13:04] <slawko> yep, I'm on windows now
[13:04] <bjsnider> this would be an annoyance to say the least
[13:05] <slawko> but, let me say again, I can login to ubuntu etc
[13:05] <slawko> I just can't synchronize the calendar :)
[13:06] <slawko> I'm sorry for innacurate description
[13:11] <slawko> mgedmin: I have to go, I'm sorry for bothering you, but thank you for help.
[13:12] <mgedmin> "cannot login" is a good enough (and painful!) description
[13:12] <slawko> you're right
[13:12] <mgedmin> I'd call it a serious bug actually
[13:12] <mgedmin> hmm, is it gnome-shell that provides those auth dialogs, I wonder?
[13:13] <slawko> i forgot to mention about a calendar :)
[13:13] <mgedmin> whichever component it is, it should not let apps keep spamming you
[13:13] <mgedmin> with password prompts
[13:13] <slawko> it is definately a gnome-shell popup
[13:14] <mgedmin> anyway; directories you want to move out of the way in order to reset all settings to default are: ~/.config/, and probably lots more
[13:14] <mgedmin> ~/.local/ perhaps
[13:14] <mgedmin> worth a try
[13:14] <mgedmin> now, how to move them away, if you can't log in?
[13:15] <mgedmin> try a different session maybe?  or the text console (ctrl+alt+f1, log in, mv .config .config.BAD; mv .local .local.BAD; ctrl+alt+f7, try logging in again)
[13:15] <slawko> ok, I'll try it
[13:16] <slawko> If you will be present in the evening, I'll inform you about the effects :)
[13:16] <slawko> for now, thank you for help :)
[13:16] <mgedmin> I might, or someone else might help you
[13:16] <mgedmin> hmm, nothing in gnome 3 should be using ~/.gconf, but it may be worth moving aside as well, just in case
[13:17] <slawko> ok
[13:17] <slawko> i'm going for now
[13:17] <mgedmin> hm, ~/.gnome , ~/.gnome2, ~/.gnome2_private too?
[13:17]  * mgedmin is going through all 174 of his dotfiles/dot directories and looking for suspicious ones
[13:18] <mgedmin> and that's it
[13:18] <mgedmin> moving these aside should suffice
[13:19] <slawko> great
[13:19] <mgedmin> BTW ~/.local is supposed to contain data, not settings (things like addressbooks), but you never know
[13:19] <mgedmin> so don't just remove it
[13:20] <mgedmin> maybe keep it in place first; if that doesn't help, then rename it
[13:20] <slawko> mhm, i get it, ill just rename it
[13:20] <mgedmin> your calendar lives in ~/.local too, BTW
[13:22] <slawko> ok, that was a comprehensive answer for my question :)
[13:22] <slawko> mgedmin: thanks, and bye!
[13:22] <mgedmin> o/
[16:24] <mgedmin> speaking about bugs in the PPA packages: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283
[16:25] <mgedmin> oh, I just looked at the URL and realized ubuntu-bug filed it against the PPA, not against ubuntu's gnome-control-center
[16:25] <mgedmin> so the right people will see it
[16:25] <mgedmin> never mind (but please fix that bug, it should be trivial)
[17:08] <loki_> so i just upgraded to ubuntygnome 13.10 and all the gnome animations are very jerky
[17:09] <loki_> anyone had the same experience?
[17:20] <Forage> I ran into a gnome-control-center issue a few days back. After talking about it in the gnome channel mgedmin found the cause and solution for it. It appears to be introduced by the gnome3 team: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243283
[17:53] <Forage> I noticed bugs reported through ubuntu-bug are all assigned to the ubuntu-gnome project, not providing a way to assign it to a specific project. Like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1243329 which is a gnome-control-center issue. Am I overlooking something?
[17:54] <Forage> assign to a specific package that is
[18:53] <mgedmin> Forage, that's only for packages from the gnome3 PPA
[19:23] <qubit01> hey all, I booted up my laptop this morning as usual thats connected to a 24 inch ViewSonic, now the most resolution I can get out of the second monitor is 1024x768.  I'm trying xrandr to manually set it but nothing is taking, ideas ?
[19:23] <qubit01> running 13.04
[19:37] <bei> hi. what would be the best channel be for asking a question about gnome extensions?
[19:41] <bjsnider> probably #gnome-shell on gimpnet
[19:41] <bjsnider> depending on the question
[19:44] <bei> bjsnider: yeah, i decided to try gnome-shell. thanks
[19:46] <calisto3001> hello there :) This is by far the best distro, at least, regarding my criteria of best distro and want I really value in a system :) Ubuntu + Gnome-Shelll is such a great combination. Thanks a lot to all the team
[19:49] <calisto3001> Btw, if you install Delorean-Dark-theme for gtk3 and personalize firefox with gnome-black theme you'll get such a beautiful desktop :) . Afeter installing the nvidia driver plymouth wasnt working, but i managed, with the help of some search, to fix it. It's simply fantastic. Thanks a lot again
[20:51] <isiah> I have some questions regarding issues with online accounts.
[21:06] <darkxst> !ask
[21:07] <isiah> Ok
[21:08] <isiah> When I try to connect my Facebook account through the "Settings > Online Accounts" menu system, it does accept my info as being correct, but then I see a warning at the bottom of the desktop saying that there was an authentication error
[21:09] <isiah> I couldn't really find anything helpful through any Google searches.
[21:09] <darkxst> isiah, its a know issue
[21:09] <darkxst> I believe facebook chat will work if you add it as a jabber account
[21:11] <darkxst> isiah, Bug 1222586
[21:11] <isiah> Ok. I did notice that several people had a variety of issues via Jabber, but I couldn't find anything concrete enough to say that the desktop account whatever had issues.
[21:11] <isiah> Thanks, by the way.
[21:13] <darkxst> there is an upstream patch that might help this
[21:22] <bjsnider> could some one do me a favour
[21:22] <bjsnider> open an image file, a jpg for instance
[21:23] <isiah> Sure.
[21:23] <bjsnider> at the bottom of the resulting window there's a percentage
[21:23] <bjsnider> what is it?
[21:23] <isiah> Are you specifically looking at 13.10?
[21:24] <isiah> One is 62%, another 96%, and the third I opened was 47%.
[21:24] <isiah> I'm guessing that is the zoom.
[21:25] <isiah> I can give the sizes if needed
[21:25] <bjsnider> open one that is a smaller resolution than your screen space please
[21:26] <isiah> Would an .xpm suffice (an icon)?
[21:27] <bjsnider> as long as it opens with gnome-image-viewer
[21:27] <isiah> Ok. It is 100% (48x48)
[21:28] <bjsnider> no, that won't work
[21:28] <bjsnider> it's smaller than the window can be resized
[21:29] <bjsnider> it will have to be at least say 400x400
[21:29] <isiah> Ok...I would have to look one up real quick
[21:31] <isiah> 600x400: 98%
[21:31] <isiah> My screen resolution is clearly bigger than that.
[21:32] <bjsnider> there is space on all 4 sides of the window, right?
[21:32] <bjsnider> you can movie it around. there was nothing forcing the window to be that small?
[21:32] <isiah> On the sides, yes.
[21:33] <isiah> And no, I can't move it around.
[21:33] <bjsnider> what about on the top and bottom?
[21:33] <isiah> And no, I can't move it around.
[21:33] <bjsnider> what kind of screen is this, a phone?
[21:33] <isiah> I meant no. (stupid arrow)
[21:33] <isiah> It is a notebook.
[21:34] <bjsnider> i need someone to test this that doesn't have such a small resolution. at least 1280x1024 i would think
[21:34] <isiah> My screen resolution is 1366x768
[21:34] <isiah> Is that good enough?
[21:35] <bjsnider> why is there no space at the top and bottom of a 600 pixel image if your screen is twice that much?
[21:35] <isiah> I don't know.
[21:35] <bjsnider> i'm talking about the window, not the image
[21:36] <bjsnider> the window, including the titlebar, the menubar, the status bar
[21:37] <isiah> There is not space between the image and the bars, but the bars are normal.
[21:37] <isiah> And for this 400x400 image I have up right now, it is at 98%
[21:38] <isiah> There is some space between the image and the sides, though.
[21:39] <isiah> Should I send you a screenshot?
[21:39] <bjsnider> no
[21:39] <isiah> ok
[21:41] <bjsnider> obvious question: why isn't it 100%
[21:41] <isiah> I don't know.
[21:41] <isiah> I'm not a dev working on this...most of what I do is test things.
[21:52] <bjsnider> this isn't the first time eog has had  a bug about opening images scaled down and blurry
[21:52] <bjsnider> i'm sure this was a problem in 3.8 as well
[21:52] <isiah> I never really saw it as a massive issue, though
[21:53] <isiah> But yeah, if my memory serves me correctly, I saw scaled down images in 3.8 as well
[21:55] <bjsnider> when it's scaled down it gets blurry
[21:57] <isiah> Yes, it does. The more zoomed in it gets, the blurrier it gets. It isn't a black-and-white distinction, but it is fairly obvious.
[22:08] <isiah> Where would be the best channel to ask about Empathy-specific issues
[22:08] <isiah> ?
[22:19] <MadNeX> strange