[12:21] <suborbital> baz
[12:22] <suborbital> this is not the forum i wish to address you in, may i pm you?
[12:51] <suborbital> i mish #ubuntu. have i paid my penance?
[12:51] <suborbital> goodnight folks.
[12:51] <Pici> k
[18:00] <Pici> Aparrently Network Solutions is having a major DNS outage, so if people show up complaining about not being able to get on some sites, it may not be Ubuntu's fault.
[18:01] <LjL> how is not having a cache of the DNS data not its fault?!
 help! ubuntu 13.10 destroys everything
[20:16] <bazhang> saucy shiva
[20:38] <bazhang> hehe
[20:38] <k1l> what was the trigger again for not-ubuntu?
[20:38] <bazhang> nobuntu
[20:38] <bazhang> whoops not hat
[20:38] <Pici> heh
[20:38] <bazhang> +t
[20:38] <bazhang> NIH!
[20:39] <bazhang> we so need that
[20:39] <bazhang> plz!??
[20:39] <Pici> what
[20:39] <k1l> gnah, i know there is a trigger for that :)
[20:39] <Pici> !variant
[20:39] <Pici> wer
[20:39] <Pici> er
[20:39] <Pici> not that
[20:39] <Pici> !derivatives
[20:40] <bazhang> htrj !
[20:40] <bazhang> HIT THE ROAD JACK
[20:50] <genii> !notbuntu
[20:50] <genii> Hm.
[20:51] <bazhang> NIH = not invented here
[20:51] <bazhang> plus it has Monty Python
[20:55] <genii> Hm "... would like to know how to install Wayland on Ubuntu 13.10 and set it as the default compositor and window manager and all the rest..."  And so it begins.
[20:56] <IdleOne> we don't support that.
[20:56] <IdleOne> Good luck getting it done though
[20:56] <genii> IdleOne: I think we're gonna get a ton more after like that, mir/xmir unhappiness wanting wayland
[20:57] <IdleOne> Don't know why, Mir is not default yet in Ubuntu.
[20:57] <k1l> well there is nothing to run on mir. like its the same with wayland
[20:58] <bazhang> there was much wayland and gnashing of teeth
[20:58]  * genii groans
[20:58] <LjL> IdleOne: uh doesn't 13.10 use XMir by default?
[20:58] <k1l> LjL: nope
[20:58] <bazhang> nope
[20:58] <IdleOne> no!
[20:58] <k1l> that got dropped as default since it wasnt ready until release
[20:58] <LjL> okay
[20:58] <LjL> don't kill me
[20:59] <IdleOne> ok
[20:59] <IdleOne> you are safe for one more day
 ubuntu 14.04 beta
[21:02] <bazhang> that was fast!
[21:02] <k1l> yep
[21:02] <popey> yeah, had a mail to our loco today filing a bug about 14.04
[21:02] <k1l> !trusty
[21:02] <bazhang> no toolchain to beta in a single bound!
[21:03] <IdleOne> Why waste time with dev. just release it!
[21:14]  * popey runs trusty on his phone
[21:14] <popey> \o/
[21:44] <k1l> from all the possible solutions to "i hate unity", staying on 10.10 seems to be the most wrong decision to me
[21:45] <genii> Only slightly more wrang than at least staying on 10.04 for it being an LTS
[21:45] <genii> *wrong
[21:46] <k1l> well, since lts means longer support that looks only half-wrong to me :)
[21:48] <genii> But yes, they could have gone to XFCE or LXDE, or even KDE
[21:49] <k1l> or use gnome-panel (or what the actually call that old lookalike now). or even use cinnamon since its in the repos since 13.04