[06:27] <Myrtti> gooooooooood MORNING UK
[06:32] <Myrtti> oh man
[06:33] <Myrtti> trying to set up a new computer and I can't decide what I should do with this
[06:33] <Myrtti> I suppose the first step would be to encrypt the home dir
[06:33] <Myrtti> and change the username
[06:33] <Myrtti> or change the username
[06:33] <Myrtti> and then encrypt it, rather
[06:36] <shauno> I'd recommend coffee, personally
[06:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bacon
[06:37] <Myrtti> oh I've been up until six
[06:37] <Myrtti> been to a conference call too
[06:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> I woke at 5am today...
[06:37] <Myrtti> I suppose tea would be a good idea
[06:37] <Myrtti> tea and eggs and tomato
[06:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just had a lovely Bacon & Sausage roll from the van near Jewsons. Covered in hot chilli sauce. Nom, nom nom...
[06:40] <Myrtti> mmm
[07:41] <diplo> Morning all
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love this picture http://qz.com/132738/the-highly-unusual-company-behind-siracha-the-worlds-coolest-hot-sauce/ and love Sriracha too...
[07:45] <directhex> tesco now sell own-brand finest siracha
[07:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Fascinating article: "Fong Foods has neither employed a single  salesman nor spent a cent on advertising. Advertising would merely widen  the gap between demand and supply even further. ”I don’t advertise,  because I can’t advertise,” Tran explained..."
[07:45] <BigRedS> apparently our datacentre is moving at 0.5mph...
[07:47] <diplo> Looks good TheOpenSourcerer, never tried it... will buy some tonight
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Minecraft-Unlikely-Persson-Changed-Everything/dp/1609805372
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: but you probably already have that pre-ordered ;)
[08:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy CAPS LOCK DAY! :-D
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: CAPS LOCK DAY? DON'T YOU MEAN HEADACHE DAY?
[08:28] <JamesTait> I may come to regret bringing this to people's attention. ;)
[08:37] <mungbean_> a professor said to me: "using windows 8 for the first time was quite easy because i am used to gnome3"
[08:39] <directhex> there's a minecraft episode of south park, it's very good
[08:40] <mungbean_> do they still make SP?
[08:42] <directhex> mungbean_, yes
[08:44] <mungbean_> i've never watched an episode
[08:44] <mungbean_> must have been going 15 yrs or so
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> almost as long as the Simpsons
[08:48] <directhex> not quite
[08:48] <directhex> south park started in 1997
[08:48] <directhex> the simpsons in the late 80s
[08:57] <popey> I haven't seen SP for maybe 10 years
[09:01] <directhex> quality varies. some episodes are incredible
[09:02] <directhex> i wouldn't bother watching anything from before the movie, really
[09:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:21] <bigcalm> Oh poop!
[09:21] <bigcalm> T - 3 days 5 hours
[09:21] <diplo> Morning bigcalm
[09:21] <bigcalm> Hi diplo
[09:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:34] <diddledan> mornin all
[09:35] <brobostigon> morning diddledan
[09:51] <diplo> Bit of mysql help/thoughts.. Ive got a stock table with id/part numbers etc, a supplier has sent us a list of 52k of there products in a csb
[09:51] <diplo> csv*
[09:52] <diplo> I've imported that csv into the same db as the stock table, want to see how many of their PartNumbers matchc our stock_num
[09:52] <diplo> I'm having a serious blank on the best way to approach this
[10:01] <mgdm> diplo: select * from supplier_parts inner join your_parts on supplier_parts.PartNumber = your_parts.stock_num
[10:01] <mgdm> diplo: or some such
[10:03] <awilkins> Latest interesting Saucy manifestation : notifiers appear as little blue text boxes top left instead of attractive shaded panels top right
[10:03] <diplo> Hmm hadn't tried innerjoin. Trying now ta mgdm
[10:04] <mgdm> diplo: inner join is "everything from the left with a match on the right"
[10:05] <diplo> Top man, 3 hours sleep has ruined my brain today. 4882 matches, better than writing them up manually :)
[10:07] <mgdm> woohoo :)
[10:11] <diplo> Now to write a script to upload the info to the correct locations and upload images.
[10:11] <diplo> thanks again
[10:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:24] <diddledan> diplo, you too on the 3 hours sleep thing?! :-p
[10:24] <diddledan> diplo: I disappeared to the land-of-nod about 6:30am up again about 3.5-4 hours later
[10:26] <Svetlana> diplo! long time no see :)
[10:31] <diplo> yeah, 2am and up at 4:30/5
[10:31] <diplo> then kids in at 6
[10:31] <diplo> :(
[10:36] <mungbean_> crucial are recommending RAM that runs at 10600, although 12800 speed works too. any reason why i shouldn't get the 12800 RAM for the same price
[10:44] <diplo> Anyone downloaded from Skydrive site under linux before, getting no errors but it goes off when I click download, grabs a load of js files and then stops
[10:44] <directhex> mungbean_, probably not
[10:44] <directhex> diplo, has worked for me fine in the past
[10:44] <mungbean_> ta
[10:45] <mungbean_> its still in the compatible list
[10:45] <directhex> mungbean_, *probably*. if you're asking the question you are probably not in the class of users where it matters
[10:45] <diplo> I'll persist ta
[10:45] <mungbean_> well the ram will run at 10600
[10:45] <mungbean_> but is perhaps more future prroof if i update my pc at some point
[10:46] <directhex> yes, it'll run at the lower speed. it may not run the same SPD timings at the lower speed as at the high speed, and possibly not the same when running at the lower speed as the RAM rated for the lower speed
[10:46] <directhex> but you're unlikely to care, unless you know what SPD stands for
[10:47] <diddledan> strange peripheral device*
[10:47] <diddledan> :-p
[10:50] <diplo> Hmm firefox issue
[10:51] <diplo> Working under Chromium, well apart from it started it twice when I clicked it once
[10:51] <diplo> Still awful speeds though :/
[10:57] <Svetlana> What Firefox issue?
[10:57] <Svetlana> Ah, the hang on JS download.
[10:58] <Svetlana> If you're interested in shooting troubles around a bit, check this out. https://support.mozilla.com/kb/Safe+Mode
[11:03] <diplo> The download wouldn;t start full stop, I use FF for dev all the time, only issue so far has been the skydrive site
[11:03] <diplo> But looking at that link anyhoo
[11:26] <popey> bug 1242912
[11:26] <popey> bug 1241416
[11:30] <Laney> That last one doesn't sound like a bug to me
[11:31] <popey> ditto
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> a bug in the bug reporting tool. Meta! :)
[11:41] <jpds> MartijnVdS: You need to go deeper.
[11:42] <mungbean_> my sis appears to be a reasonable forger http://i.imgur.com/wVRZipP.jpg
[11:44] <mungbean_> it annoys me when people have obivous musical and artistic talent and never use it
[11:48] <bashrc> so far my 13.10 experience has been pretty good, although I had a few crash dialogs at the beginning
[11:56] <Myrtti> whoop, I found my tea!
[11:56] <Myrtti> was getting a bit annoyed after looking everywhere for it
[11:58] <jussi> Myrtti: congratulations. what kind of tea is in question here?
[11:58] <Myrtti> Yorkshire Hard Water
[11:59] <mungbean_> thats in every supermarket in uK
[11:59] <Myrtti> yes
[12:00] <Myrtti> we bought a pack of 240 in May before I flew to Finland
[12:00] <Myrtti> wanted my morning brew this morning and couldn't find it anywhere
[12:00] <Myrtti> it was stashed on top of the kitchen cupboards
[12:00] <Myrtti> no wonder I couldn't find it
[12:01] <mungbean_> online/shopping/unity is enabled on the livecd  - how do i disable?
[12:20] <BigRedS> dpkg -l | grep amazon
[12:20] <BigRedS> remove what comes up
[12:20] <BigRedS> or maybe grep for shopping, actually
[12:20] <mungbean_> isn't there a proper way?
[12:20] <mungbean_> via the dash?
[12:21] <BigRedS> Probably
[12:21] <mungbean_> privacy
[12:21] <mungbean_> disabled online search
[12:23] <mungbean_> dash is not behaving
[12:23] <mungbean_> sorry, launcher
[12:27] <mungbean_> if i have an ecnrypted home partition  is there anything i need to do before reinstalling a OS while keep the home partition?
[12:27] <popey> how is it encrypted?
[12:28] <mungbean_> actually, looks like i only have /home/user/.Private
[12:28] <popey> you need to use ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase then
[12:28] <mungbean_> cheers
[12:28] <popey> (while booted to the old OS)
[12:48] <mungbean_> oh fail. i hadn't created a separate /home. thats what happens when you triple boot
[12:55] <popey> you dont need separate home
[12:55] <SuperMatt> I do it out of habit
[12:56] <mungbean_> and lack of trust for installers to do the right thing
[12:59] <SuperMatt> that too
[13:01] <mungbean_> resize2fs is taking rather long :@
[13:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer read that as reiserfs... Used to use that a lot...
[13:07] <BigRedS> there was resize2fs that made it as far as Debian stable with an infinite-loop bug in it
[13:08] <BigRedS> I can't remember exactly the circumstances that trigger it, but I think it was only when shrinking
[13:08] <mungbean_> ah
[13:08] <BigRedS> (and so if it's taking you forever it might be that)
[13:08] <mungbean_> i'm shrinking
[13:08] <mungbean_> you know what, i think i've been bit by this before
[13:09] <BigRedS> Hm. I didn't note down the bug, but it's whatever was in Debian Stable on 2013-02-28
[13:10] <mungbean_> i wonder if you can ctrl C it
[13:10] <BigRedS> which I think was the very end of Squeeze?
[13:10] <BigRedS> yeah, my logs from when it happened say I ctrl-Ced it, e2fscked it and it was okay
[13:11] <mungbean_> tghanks
[13:11]  * TheOpenSourcerer now has "Cool for Cats" as his earworm for the afternoon... Thanks BigRedS
[13:12] <SuperMatt> you poor thing
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> having only just got rid of "Shopping at Lidl's" :-(
[13:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks to AlanBell
[13:12] <BigRedS> haha
[13:20] <mungbean_> centos gparted won't resize anything. weird
[13:20] <mungbean_> they aren't mounted or anything funky
[13:34] <diddledan> mungbean_: I recall that some standard ext4 flags cause resize2fs to complain that it can't resize when they're turned on - problem is there's no way of turning them off once they're on
[13:35] <mungbean_> weird
[13:35] <mungbean_> booting a 13.10 usb to try
[13:35] <mungbean_> imagewriter doesn't write ubuntu images anymroe :S
[13:40] <mungbean_> lol. type parted and it apps appear under online results
[13:44] <diddledan> os x mavericks (the yet-to-be-released version 10.9) is pretty decent
[13:45] <mungbean_> BigRedS: thanks. took 15 seconds in 13.10
[13:45] <mungbean_> nasty bug
[13:45] <mungbean_> consdering thats what i tend to use usb live for
[13:45] <diddledan> mungbean_: ouch
[13:46] <diddledan> that is nasty as you're already messing with the filesystem you want the util to be rock solid
[13:47] <diplo> What do you guys use for backing up windows machines that are broke, not done so much recently but used to use old ubuntus, just worried the machine I'm going to fix tonight is a bit old and unity may be to heavy
[13:47] <diplo> Going to take one anyway, just wondering if anyone else uses any other live cd
[13:48] <dwatkins> diplo: clonezilla
[13:48] <mungbean_> dd
[13:48] <diplo> Wasn't going to image it, more mount with a live disc and copy to a usb drive
[13:48] <diplo> Is what I normally do
[13:49] <ali1234> xubuntu
[13:49] <diplo> Do they come with ntfs-3g already on the live disc does anyone know ?
[13:49] <dwatkins> iirc, clonezilla is filesystem-aware, not sure which filesystems it can handle, though
[13:50] <diplo> Hmm might as well try before I go I guess.. be more sensible
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> exit
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah
[13:50] <dwatkins> there's always "ghost for unix" or g4u, diplo - you can FTP an NTFS partiton into a gzip archive
[13:50] <diplo> Only really want images/files etc, not overly worried about the machine itself
[13:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone know why Ubuntu changed the "halt" alias to not call shutdown "-h" ? So it doesn't do a power down any more?
[13:51] <diplo> ali1234: What was the PI thing I saw earlier ?
[13:52] <diplo> Going to try Xubuntu, already have ghost etc if it comes to that
[13:52] <diplo> Even worse, it's vista :(
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - time to head off chaps and chapesses. have to take kids swimming shortly... Laterz
[13:53] <diplo> hah did mine yesterday, laters TheOpenSourcerer
[13:53] <mungbean_> today is going slowly
[13:54] <diplo> Mines going quickly until now, I've lost my will now :)
[13:54] <mungbean_> 3pm is my natural lull
[13:54] <BigRedS> yeah, I've just noticed it's not even quite 3 yet
[13:54] <ali1234> diplo: on g+?
[13:54] <diplo> yeah
[13:54] <BigRedS> I think going for lunch at 10:30 might have been a mistake
[13:54] <diplo> I thought it was only 1ish, so I'm quite happy
[13:54] <ali1234> diplo: this, with a custom circuit for raspberry pi: https://github.com/ali1234/avr-teletext
[13:54] <diplo> lol BigRedS, you think :D
[13:56] <diplo> Nice, although was there a reason behind the project or just tinkering ?
[14:20] <mungbean_> ok. bad idea. i wrote the ecrypt unwrap password inside my home folder
[14:23] <BigRedS> Is there some way to make the joint email-and-jabber indicator into two, one for emails and one for jabbers?
[14:25] <dwatkins> Today I learned that Windows Server 2008 has NFS client and server capabilities.
[14:25] <diplo> If you work that out BigRedS I'd be happy to know :)
[14:26] <diplo> Didn't 2K3 as well dwatkins ?
[14:27] <dwatkins> no idea, diplo - only just found out about it
[14:27] <diplo> r2 defo did I'm sure
[14:27] <diplo> yup
[14:27] <dwatkins> ah ok, I'm still shocked that it exists, and it makes me feel rather strange
[14:27] <diplo> We nearly used it at one point I think and then decided against it
[14:27] <diplo> hah
[14:28] <dwatkins> I imagine case-sensitivity is a fun problem with it.
[14:28] <BigRedS> what is that thing called? Message indicator?
[14:29] <mungbean_> can you mount .Private when its in a different directory?
[14:30] <mungbean_> just mount it as ecryptfs partition?
[14:30] <diplo> BigRedS: indicator-applets and messaging-menu integrators
[14:30] <diplo> ?
[14:30]  * diplo has never played with encryption so keeps mouth shut :)
[14:31] <SuperMatt> hurm... what's a good way to automatically restart openvpn if it fails?
[14:32] <BigRedS> monit?
[14:32] <diddledan> dwatkins: it's been removed from 2012
[14:32] <dwatkins> diddledan: oh wow, it was that bad? ;)
[14:32] <diddledan> lol
[14:33] <diddledan> it disappeared along with the "subsystem for unix applications"
[14:33] <diddledan> both of which were originally part of interix which microsoft bought and called services for unix for a wile
[14:33] <diddledan> while*
[14:40] <mungbean_> i've really got my knickers in a twist
[14:40] <BigRedS> Anyone know if Gnome 3 also does that? I don't think I used a graphical mail client with that
[14:40] <mungbean_> with this stupid encrypted home dir
[14:41] <BigRedS> I've not yet ever had to debug it
[14:41] <BigRedS> and, were I to, I'd probably blow it away and start again :)
[14:43]  * diplo is booting Xbuntu, I prefer the loading screen for a start
[14:43] <diplo> Looks quite professional
[14:44] <BigRedS> hah, yeah I'm just pondering Ubuntu
[14:45] <BigRedS> Apparently that shared messaging icon thing is a massive pain for everyone who's got unity, and it's probably easiest for me to just install xfce
[14:46] <diplo> Blimey, thunar has come on leaps and bounds since I last used it
[14:47] <dwatkins> Do Ubuntu mail clients understand the SMB convention \\servername\share\directory\file so you can click the link in a mail to open up your chosen file explorer to this location?
[14:48] <diplo> hmm, this is actually quite nice
[14:49] <davmor2> SuperMatt: upstart-application script maybe?
[14:49] <diddledan> dwatkins: I don't know for sure, but I would guess not.
[14:50] <dwatkins> I suspected as much, diddledan - which is a good thing, as it's not a URL
[14:50] <dwatkins> I prefer smb://server/something/etc/etc/
[14:51] <diddledan> yeah, I much prefer URLs (I never did work out the difference between a URL and a URI)
[14:51] <SuperMatt> davmor2: I thought about upstart, but one end if debian
[14:51] <SuperMatt> no upstart there
[14:51] <dwatkins> HTTP is a URI, as is SMB, I think - possibly including the ://
[14:52] <SuperMatt> I think my plan is to attempt to ping one side from the other. If it aint up, it restarts
[14:52] <dwatkins> yeah, example of a URI is HTTP:
[14:53] <BigRedS> dwatkins: isn't that the scheme part of a URI?
[14:59] <dwatkins> oh, now I'm completely confused, then, BigRedS
[15:00] <BigRedS> Actually, I thought a URL was composed of [scheme]://[host][uri]
[15:00] <BigRedS> but I don't know why I thought that
[15:01] <diddledan> lol @ email I got from a colleague: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6283414/
[15:01] <BigRedS> and the wiki page on 'URL' doesn't have enough pictures for me to immediately believe to to be particularly disambiguating
[15:02] <diddledan> uri
[15:02] <diddledan> oops
[15:03] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_resource_identifier
[15:03] <diddledan> more confusion
[15:04] <diddledan> ok, so a URL is actually an implementation of a URI
[15:05] <diddledan> and ISBN for books is a URN or another implementation of a URI
[15:05] <BigRedS> Oh, right
[15:06] <diddledan> URLs tell you where something is and URNs uniquely identify what that something is - both are forms of URI
[15:07] <diplo> Busy then diddledan :)
[15:07] <diddledan> diplo: I'm procrastinating :-p
[15:08] <diplo> :)
[15:11] <BigRedS> diplo: I filed a bug against what might or might not be that indicator: bug 1243240
[15:21] <diplo> It's been like that since forever hasn't it though ? No other bugs setup ?
[15:23] <diplo> Anyhoo, I'm going to skive off for the last 20 mins as noone is here and I also didn't take a lunch so not really skiving :)
[15:23] <diplo> Catch you all either later or tomorrow
[15:23] <diplo> :)
[15:23] <mungbean_> you don't have to justify it to us ;)
[15:23] <diddledan> tata
[15:23] <diplo> heh, BigRedS added myself to it btw
[15:23] <diddledan> you only have to justify it to the paymaster
[15:23] <diddledan> :-p
[15:29] <diddledan> *wookie*
[15:29] <diddledan> aka neeeaaaarrrgggghhhh
[15:30] <diddledan> ^^^^ I was stretching
[15:32] <BigRedS> I couldn't find any other bugs, but I wasn't really sure what to look for
[15:32] <BigRedS> it's probably been like that for a while, but I've only been using Thunderbird for about a fortnight
[15:32] <ali1234> xfce is having "problems" with indicators at the moment
[15:33] <diddledan> 719139389 hours left on a download
[15:33] <diddledan> methinks it's stalled
[15:33] <ali1234> bug 1208204
[15:33] <ali1234> bug 1203888
[15:33] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:33] <czajkowski> c
[15:33] <ali1234> bug 1238997
[15:34] <ali1234> basically indicators are a complete mess ootb on xubuntu
[15:34] <ali1234> and the only reasonable way to fix it is to build bleeding edge versions of the panel from upstream git
[15:35] <diddledan> so that's only 82thousand years
[15:35] <celesteh> hi, i'm try to start backing up my home directory with rsync and i've got a list of directories I'm try to exclude including .local/Trash, etc. I've got these stored in a text file, one per line, but i think i must have some command line syntax wrong, since the directories are not being excluded.  The command I'm trying is: rsync --dry-run -avz --delete --compress-level=9 --exclude-from=celesteh/rsync-exclude-list.txt --delete-exclu
[15:35] <celesteh> ded celesteh user@server.rsync.net: > /tmp/dry.txt
[15:35] <diddledan> give or take a hundred or so
[15:36] <ali1234> annoyingly, the fixed up xfce4-panel was ready in time for saucy, but nobody could figure out how to package it in time
[15:36] <ali1234> myself included
[15:36] <ali1234> yet another example of packaging being harder than writing the software in the first place
[15:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: Hello see your pm you have a message
[15:45] <celesteh> does anyone have an example of an rsync-exclude file they don't mind sharing?
[15:48] <SuperMatt> I don't, sorry
[15:57] <davmor2> celesteh: there is a listing on the ubuntu server guide for backups that might give you a clue if that helps
[15:57] <celesteh> cheers, davmor2
[15:58] <celesteh> It appears that the exlcude file can't just list directories, but they all need to be relative paths and end with /*
[15:59] <celesteh> which is annoying because then it includes the directory
[15:59] <celesteh> but at least it ends up empty
[16:00] <czajkowski> davmor2: I ahve now sorry was on a clal
[16:00] <czajkowski> *call
[16:00] <czajkowski> bah
[16:24] <SuperMatt> oh geez, I just noticed some extremely bad times I could have had with my caching proxy
[16:24] <diddledan> SuperMatt: were they dirty dirty times?
[16:24] <diddledan> if so, pictures please!
[16:24] <SuperMatt> we have fail2ban installed on our webserver, so the caching proxy could request a few sites (phpmyadmin, whatever), and then be banned from the webserver
[16:25] <diddledan> \o/
[16:25] <SuperMatt> good job I thought of that before putting this in to production
[16:25] <diddledan> fail2ban ftw
[16:25] <SuperMatt> sure, just remember if you have a caching proxy to put in some exceptions ;)
[16:26] <diddledan> I have a client who outsourced their hosting to a different company than mine who's server uses fail2ban and rather draconian rate limiting - my deployment script used ssh liberally so I'd get half way through a deployment and then get locked out
[16:26] <diddledan> I've since modified it to use pipelining
[16:28] <SuperMatt> ugg
[16:28] <SuperMatt> slap them!
[16:29] <diddledan> this is a snippet from my writeup on our internal wiki: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6283861/
[16:29] <diddledan> I should plop it on my blog
[16:29] <diddledan> in fact. good idea
[16:29] <diddledan> blog entry forthcoming!
[16:29] <SuperMatt> nice script
[16:29] <SuperMatt> right, I'm off
[16:30] <SuperMatt> have a good evening o/
[16:30] <diddledan> tata
[16:38] <Myrtti> meh. I wonder should I upgrade the lappy to 13.10
[16:38] <Myrtti> keepass2 refuses to play nice with keepasshttp
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> how does one pronounce keepasshttp ?
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> that's WAY too many consonants in a row
[17:24] <neuro> woo woo
[17:24] <neuro> OS X 10.9 Mavericks = Free
[17:24] <neuro> (as in beer)
[17:24] <diddledan> what?!
[17:24] <diddledan> free??
[17:24] <neuro> ja
[17:24] <diddledan> forever?
[17:25] <neuro> well
[17:25] <diddledan> wow
[17:25] <neuro> they're saying it'll be no cost from now on, but who knows if that'll change
[17:25] <neuro> wow, avail today as well
[17:25] <neuro> tonight is going to be fun for me
[17:25] <neuro> (2x macbook pro, mac mini)
[17:25] <diddledan> is it available for the pc yet? :-p
[17:25] <popey> I don't think legacy computers support OSX :þ
[17:26] <diddledan> my stream keeps skipping :-(
[17:26] <neuro> yeah
[17:26] <neuro> it's terrible
[17:26] <popey> wfm
[17:26] <neuro> always is
[17:26] <neuro> i wish they'd give up on quicktime streaming and just do streams on youtube
[17:27] <neuro> new macbook pros now, SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY
[17:28] <neuro> "the black knight"? Phil, really?
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> neuro: wrong channel
[17:28] <neuro> MartijnVdS: macs run linux too
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> neuro: sure, but you still have to pay for that logo
[17:28] <neuro> i pay the apple tax gladly
[17:28] <neuro> because i get way way better hardware
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> For desktops, I'll stick to homebrew, for laptops.. dunno yet :)
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> All I know is that I won't use MacOS, because I can't stand it
[17:29] <neuro> awww ;)
[17:31] <neuro> actually, technically it's not called MacOS ... ;)
[17:31] <neuro> (any more)
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> you know what i mean
[17:32] <neuro> i know, i was being facetious
[17:33] <neuro> these are crazy numbers
[17:34] <neuro> 64GB RAM, 12GB VRAM on a workstation
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> wut
[17:34] <neuro> "up to", of course, so you'll have to pay for it
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> and I thought 16G was overkill
[17:34] <neuro> up to 1TB onboard flash storage
[17:34] <neuro> totally
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> 64G is what you get for a very-low-end VM host
[17:35] <neuro> if you're lucky
[17:35] <neuro> can drive 3 4K displays
[17:35] <neuro> this thing is a monster
[17:36] <H4ml3t> hi all
[17:36] <neuro> evening
[17:37] <H4ml3t> there's someone from london?
[17:37] <H4ml3t> i'm going to study at birkbeck
[17:37] <H4ml3t> i need some advices
[17:38] <diddledan> phooo $3000
[17:38] <neuro> that's cheap
[17:39] <diddledan> for the spec, yes
[17:39] <neuro> yeah
[17:39] <neuro> sorry, that's what i meant :)
[17:39] <diddledan> it's cheap for the spec, but still a large dent in my wallet
[17:40] <neuro> jeez yeah
[17:40] <neuro> suspect it'll probably be about £2500 when it gets here
[17:40] <diddledan> yeah, prolly
[17:40] <diddledan> maybe 2599
[17:40] <neuro> actually yeah, hehe
[17:40] <diddledan> just because they like 99's
[17:40] <neuro> well to be fair, most companies do
[17:41] <neuro> i love these behind the scenes videos
[17:41] <neuro> the manufacturing ones
[17:41] <diddledan> fudge, it's stalled again
[17:42] <neuro> just mash on refresh, that's what i've been doing
[17:42] <diddledan> it's your fault! :-p
[17:42] <neuro> probably
[17:42] <neuro> my macbook pro is jinxing you all
[17:42] <diddledan> I'm on an MBP too :-p
[17:42] <neuro> \o/
[17:42] <diddledan> running mavericks, no less
[17:43] <neuro> really?
[17:43] <diddledan> yup
[17:43] <neuro> you ponied up for the dev program, huh
[17:43] <diddledan> been running it since they seeded the GM to devs
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Ubuntu Maverick Meerkat?
[17:43] <neuro> MartijnVdS: plural, not singular
[17:43] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: yeah, how long ago was that?
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ssh
[17:43] <neuro> tcp/22
[17:43] <diddledan> rsync
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: 10.10
[17:43] <diddledan> jeez
[17:44] <diddledan> that's ancient
[17:44] <neuro> hehe
[17:44] <diddledan> almost as ancient as me
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> it's also a [ck]at.. the OSX naming theme
[17:44] <neuro> mavericks is a place in california
[17:44] <neuro> which is the new OS X naming scheme
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> they ran out of cats?
[17:45] <neuro> well they were tempted by OS X Sea Lion ...
[17:47] <diddledan> the stream is well and truly dead here
[17:48] <diddledan> drummer? it just started again after hanging in the behind-the-scenes vid
[17:48] <neuro> the drummer is pretty cool
[17:49] <diddledan> aah garage band
[17:49] <neuro> yep
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> garbage band
[17:49] <neuro> wut
[17:49] <diddledan> dammit, you have to buy a new device to get them free
[17:49] <neuro> well that was always the case
[17:49] <neuro> they've always preloaded the latest iLife on new macs
[17:50] <neuro> the new ios device preload is a new thing though (well new since the new phones came out)
[17:50] <neuro> MartijnVdS: why hate?
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> neuro: it's too easy with a name like that
[17:51] <neuro> it's still unnecessarily mean, especially since you're an admitted OS X holdout
[17:52] <neuro> i'm not especially keen on ubuntu desktop these days, but i don't call it garbage
[17:56] <diddledan> is that bill gates in the audience? </troll> :-p
[17:57] <diddledan> I need a new mac and a new iphone to get all these freebies
[17:57] <neuro> well like i said, that's not that new :)
[17:58] <diddledan> no, you're missing the emphasis - I NEED!!! a new mac and a new iphone so that I can get access to all these freebies
[17:58] <neuro> oh hehe
[17:58] <neuro> oh, ipads
[17:58] <neuro> forgot they were doing ipads today
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> ipads mini? or regular ones as well?
[17:58] <diddledan> I MUST buy! where's the apple store?!
[17:58] <neuro> both, suspected
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: online? :)
[17:59]  * popey wonders what channel he wandered into
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: #maclovers
[17:59] <neuro> MartijnVdS: apple store is shut while announcement events are on :)
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> -uk
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> neuro: just keep reloading until you can order then
[17:59] <neuro> i'm not ordering anything
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: ^
[17:59] <diddledan> lol
[18:00] <neuro> it's pretty straightforward, you just wait until the event is over, wait about 10-15 minutes, then it's back again
[18:00] <diddledan> with new shiny
[18:00] <neuro> popey: you've wandered into a channel where a couple of ubuntu community members are discussing some new shiny
[18:01] <popey> your sarcasm detector is broken
[18:01] <neuro> dammiy
[18:01] <neuro> s/y/t
[18:01] <neuro> and that was a broken regex
[18:01] <neuro> popey: do you have a spare detector?
[18:02] <neuro> not being able to detect sarcasm would make me ... *gulp* ... American!
[18:02] <ali1234> can i get hackintosh on virtualbox?
[18:03] <neuro> it wouldn't surprise me if someone somewhere has done that
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: is KVM ok?
[18:03] <ali1234> no, kvm sucks
[18:03] <neuro> lol
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: and virtualbox doesn't?
[18:03] <ali1234> correct
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[18:04] <neuro> *cough*parallels*cough*
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> neuro: what, openvz?
[18:04] <MartijnVdS> or isn't that them?
[18:04] <ali1234> hahahaha aahahaha
[18:05] <ali1234> parallels... i think the only people who use it are people who assume it must be good because it costs money
[18:05] <DJones> Watching irc & twitter is quite funny "I don't know how I went from the #Apple announcements to YouTube vids of people beating up cops. where is the correlation?" Not to the victims, but how topics change
[18:05] <neuro> i use it
[18:05] <neuro> MartijnVdS: yeah
[18:05] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I only have bad experiences with ovz
[18:06] <neuro> DJones: it's like youtube comments in slow motion
[18:07] <neuro> ipad mini = dead
[18:07] <neuro> ipad air (took them long enough)
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> what's that then? just a replacement mini?
[18:07] <neuro> oh wait
[18:08] <neuro> my stream is dead so i'm relying on live blogs
[18:08] <DJones> neuro: Not bothered about that youtube is either spam or just somewhere to post videos to link from somewhere else (I do it to a wordpress blog)
[18:08] <neuro> ipad air is the big size
[18:08] <DJones> s/to/from/
[18:08] <neuro> 9.7" retina size
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> So 7" is android-land once more?
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> and Ubuntu, of course :P
[18:09] <neuro> no, ignore what i said about ipad mini
[18:09]  * MartijnVdS wants the Nexus 5 event
[18:09] <neuro> thursday
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> my Galaxy Nexus is starting to show its age
[18:10] <neuro> i bet!
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> not as bad as my Nexus One when I retired it though
[18:12] <neuro> ipad 2 isn't being retired
[18:12] <neuro> oh no, jony ive video!
[18:14] <DJones> I've had 2 tablets, a 10" and a 7", from my useage, I found the 10
[18:14] <DJones> 10" to be too big, 7" is the right size
[18:14] <neuro> odd, i feel the opposite way
[18:15] <neuro> except for ebook reading
[18:15] <DJones> Thats 50% of my usage (ebook reading)
[18:15] <neuro> :)
[18:16] <DJones> neuro: Since I got my N7-2, my kobo has hardly been used
[18:17] <neuro> ipad mini getting retina display
[18:17] <neuro> oof and both new ipads have the 64-bit A7
[18:18] <neuro> and original ipad mini still available at lowered price
[18:20] <DJones> So thats stock they couldn't sell
[18:20] <neuro> nah, standard tiering play
[18:20] <neuro> they sell these things so fast that they are continually manufacturing them
[18:20] <neuro> same as the way they still sell the iphone 4s
[18:21] <neuro> come on, tim, apple tv update ...
[18:21] <DJones> Agreed, but made too many but can't sell them
[18:21] <neuro> DJones: highly highly doubtful
[18:21] <diddledan> one more thing?
[18:22] <neuro> diddledan: i have a feeling those times are gone :(
[18:22] <DJones> diddledan: iGlass announcement?
[18:22] <diddledan> aww :-(
[18:22] <neuro> iGlass?
[18:22] <diddledan> no idfea
[18:22] <diddledan> idea
[18:23] <diddledan> iwatch and iwindow and icoat and ishoes
[18:23] <diddledan> and idoor
[18:23] <neuro> iHat
[18:23] <diddledan> ichair
[18:23] <DJones> neuro: Hey, at some point they're going to copy Google's iSpecsavers :)
[18:23] <neuro> can't see it
[18:23] <neuro> (if you'll pardon the pun)
[18:24] <diddledan> nope, no new tv
[18:24] <neuro> that's that
[18:24] <DJones> diddledan: Didn't Homer Simpon do the iChair
[18:24] <diddledan> he's on the thanks
[18:24] <diddledan> :-(
[18:24] <neuro> ah well
[18:24] <neuro> i keep hoping they'll do apps for the tv, so that then i can get plex on the tv without bothering with jailbrake shenanigans
[18:24] <neuro> my apple tv 2 is gathering dust at the moment
[18:24] <diddledan> I'm still holiding out on buying one
[18:25] <neuro> although i'm tempted to plug it in here in my office
[18:25] <neuro> mavericks + airplay screen
[18:26] <neuro> store is open :)
[18:26] <diddledan> anywho, brb - updating textual
[18:27] <neuro> textual?
[18:27] <diddledan> and back in the room
[18:27] <diddledan> irc client
[18:27] <diddledan> it's in the app store
[18:28] <neuro> ok, sorry, that was weird
[18:28] <neuro> i googled it and it came back with zero results
[18:28] <neuro> but i've done it again and there's the results
[18:28] <diddledan> it's also opensource iirc so you can conceivably compile it yourself
[18:28] <neuro> nice
[18:28] <neuro> i'm still a linkinus doofus
[18:30] <diddledan> https://github.com/Codeux/Textual for the source
[18:30] <neuro> cheersQ
[18:31] <neuro> s/Q/\!/
[19:03] <diddledan> dang, thunders
[19:03] <diddledan> and lightnings
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> very very frightening
[19:04] <shauno> (very very frightening)
[19:04] <mungbean_> me
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> Galileo?
[19:05] <mungbean_> galileo
[19:05] <diddledan> figgaro
[19:06] <shauno> you missed ^[3.   :(
[19:06] <diddledan> o_O what's ^[3. ???
[19:06] <mungbean_> somehwere in my lounge is the battery cover for my remote
[19:06] <mungbean_> but where,,,....?
[19:07] <shauno> repeat your previous entries  (^[ is escape .. vim ;)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: "Oh kids.. it's cavity search time again!"
[19:09]  * MartijnVdS recompiles the new security-fixed kernel with L2TP support
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> L2TPv3
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> can't wait for the saucy "LTS enablement" kernel for precise
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> or the new LTS
[19:11] <shauno> the what now?
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> shauno: they release new kernels for LTS releases from the releases following it
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: so you can run it on newer hardware, but in saucy, they also enabled L2TPv3, which I need on one of my precise boxes
[19:12] <shauno> ah
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I could upgrade it to saucy, but that's not LTS (and I hate upgrading ;))
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> so I just recompile the kernel with the support I want (it's only 2 config flags)
[19:13] <shauno> yeah.  that's why I'm still on lucid.  oh, lazy lucid ..
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I have one lucid machine, because of changed compiler flags and unsupported CPU on newer releases :(
[19:40] <neuro> os x upgrade time *bounce*
[19:43] <diddledan> neuro: if you use multimonitor things are improved drastically
[19:44] <neuro> i don't (mbp in clamshell)
[19:44] <neuro> tsk, waiting for time machine to finish
[19:44] <neuro> but i might drag my apple tv 2 through and give that a go
[19:46] <neuro> backup done, back soon ;)
[20:39] <popey> neuro: all done?
[20:39]  * popey ponders upgrading ye olde imac and wifeys mbp
[20:39]  * mgdm 's going to leave it a day or three :-)
[20:40] <popey> jussi: did you ever get that HDMI switch from DX?
[23:43] <neuro> well, that took longer than expected
[23:44] <popey> heh
[23:54] <shauno> and now spotlight is going to melt your machine and make you think the update is bunk  *nods*