[02:41] <micahg> zequence: depends how far back you're backporting, I'd suggest getting the dependency relaxed
[02:42] <micahg> zequence: if you're going from saucy to raring for ardour3, I'd be fine applying a diff to relax the dependency (would've been better to get it fixed in saucy, but that ship's sailed)
[07:22] <zequence> micahg: My goal was precise, but not sure if that is at all possible
[07:23] <zequence> I'd rather skip the releases in between and just backport whatever packages that are needed for ardour3 to end up there
[07:24] <zequence> As I've understood, you can't skip releases like that
[07:24] <zequence> You have to backport back one release at the time, right?
[08:33] <smartboyhw_> OvenWerks, zequence: The GRUB change has made Studio impossible to use UEFI, as told by xnox.
[08:33] <smartboyhw_> I mean, the GRUB boot item.
[08:33] <smartboyhw_> He requests us to revert such changes.
[10:33] <cub> zequence, do you want help with creating the table on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageListSaucy ?
[10:57] <smartboyhw_> OvenWerks, zequence: It's Bug 1242417. BTW Kubuntu might be releasing a 13.10.1 release based on the bugfix to this. Would you guys want a re-spin also? (If it is technically possible)
[13:41] <zequence> cub: Yes please, just follow what I've done.
[13:41] <zequence> I've done A,B and C so far
[13:42] <zequence> Might be a good idea to copy the text somewhere else, before saving, in case something goes wrong. Been a while since I had a problem, but I guess there could be one if two people are working on it at the same time
[13:43] <zequence> smartboyhw: We were discussing that bug yesterday
[13:43] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK, so what's the resolution?
[13:43] <zequence> So, we're following the progress of that bug report
[13:43] <zequence> Someone is working on it
[13:44] <smartboyhw> zequence, who? xnox?
[13:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: You seem to mix up UEFI with secure boot
[13:44] <zequence> UEFI is a replacement for BIOS, which requires a new way of installing - you need a special partition for UEFI
[13:45] <zequence> secureboot is a feature for UEFI
[13:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, yes
[13:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, but do you want to respin the image if the "somebody" got the SRU out?
[13:49] <zequence> smartboyhw: That would be best, yes
[13:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, sure
[14:19] <zequence> cub: We can do the categorization and inclusion part after we'de done making tables of everything
[14:19] <zequence> Each category should be a link, that points to a section of the category page. I'll fix that later
[14:20] <zequence> We define categories as we categorize. Afterwards we can adjust by removing or adding new categories, if needed
[14:24] <cub> I was thinking of the making table part
[14:24] <cub> it's a lot of rows to plow thorugh
[14:24] <cub> unless you want to do them all?
[14:24] <zequence> No, it would be great if you could helå
[14:25] <zequence> help*
[14:25] <cub> oh right, you have already answered that earlier.
[14:25] <zequence> yep :)
[15:24] <ttoine> zequence, the unauthorized stuff are removed from spreadshirt
[15:45] <zequence> ttoine: That was fast :)
[15:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, it turns out I'm the one who has to fix the stuff-.- (fixing and waiting for review to sponsor)
[15:46] <zequence> smartboyhw: Fixing, how?
[15:46] <smartboyhw> zequence, you can see in the trunk lp:ubuntustudio-default-settings
[15:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: don't do any changes without our concent, please
[15:47] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[15:47] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's not cool to revert someones changes and not communicating about it
[15:47] <zequence> you are not the boss here
[15:47] <zequence> first you talk about it, then you make the change, ok?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> zequence, I thought you said it should be fixed?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> ......
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Sorry
[15:48] <zequence> Yes, of course. But, there's a matter of HOW
[15:48] <smartboyhw> zequence, sure
[15:51] <zequence> smartboyhw: OvenWerks is the one who made the change. He should be involved in discussions
[15:53] <zequence> smartboyhw: I can't find any change you have made
[15:53] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh?
[15:53] <smartboyhw> DId I not push then?
[15:53] <zequence> smartboyhw: please don't
[15:53] <zequence> you have your own branch, right?
[15:54] <smartboyhw> zequence, it's here https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/trusty/ubuntustudio-default-settings/fix-bug-1242417/+merge/192179
[15:54] <smartboyhw> (That's for actual upload though by then)
[15:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: remove the merge request please
[15:57] <smartboyhw> zequence, done
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Good night, BTW, it's 11:57 P.M
[15:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'd rather stay out of this, since I have enough on my table, so if you could please have a look at what changes were proposed by Howard, and also see about the bug report
[16:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: We need to make Ubuntu Studio bootable on UEFI systems, and we should respin the image once a fix is in place
[16:00] <zequence> OvenWerks: If you'd like to keep the way our GRUB menu works, perhaps there is another way. You could discuss it on the bug, IRC or on a mail list, 
[16:01] <zequence> OvenWerks: This is Howards branch https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/trusty/ubuntustudio-default-settings/fix-bug-1242417
[16:34] <ttoine> zequence, the legal service of spreadshirt is efficient, but very exigent
[17:08] <zequence> OvenWerks: cjwatson suggested we do the change, so I'm going to go ahead and do it, both on our dev branch as well as make a merge request
[17:08] <zequence> ..to the saucy release
[17:09] <zequence> Then I suggest a discussion between different parties, and the maintainer cjwatson about future changes (on his request)
[19:15] <cub> the ubuntu wiki is driving me nuts with the login problems
[19:20] <zequence> cub: I was thinking maybe we could script the whole thing
[19:20] <zequence> I should look into that
[19:21] <cub> it might be difficult since there's only spaces between them
[19:21] <cub> we have a similar wiki at work and I always end up doing it manually anyway
[19:22] <zequence> cub: I think it should be doable
[19:22] <cub> woaw, we include the DAISY player! :D
[19:22] <zequence> the first items are easy enough to filter. The last bit is text of random length
[19:22] <zequence> cub: We don't include all of those
[19:22] <zequence> they are just all within the "sound" category in Ubuntu packages
[19:22] <cub> aha
[19:23] <cub> well, we should include daisy since I made the first daisy book ever. 
[19:23] <cub> I'm starting to edit some now
[19:34] <cub> zequence, you remove all the version numbers?
[19:34] <zequence> cub: Yes, we don't really need them
[19:35] <zequence> plus, they could change during the release
[19:35] <cub> exactly
[19:45] <cub> hmm didn't get far. The dog complains. :P bbl
[20:10] <zequence> cub: I have a script almost ready that will make our lives easier
[20:27] <cub> really? how did you make it?
[20:31] <cub> anyway, heading to bed. I'll take a look at the page tomorrow morning if there is anything left to edit on my daily commute
[20:57] <OvenWerks> zequence: Sorry it took so long. That change is fine in -settings. I would like to do things differently anyway. Maybe add a Flavour keyword/variable.
[20:59] <zequence> I've realized Ubuntu branches are not duplicates of Ubuntu Studio ones. The latest commits to our branch are a bit strange
[20:59] <zequence> Howard made the change to the Ubuntu trusty branch, and asked to merge
[20:59] <zequence> impossible to merge with our branch
[20:59] <zequence> so, I had to add the diffs manually
[20:59] <zequence> I'm seeing some problems in the way we deal with branches
[21:05] <OvenWerks> zequence: yes, It is something we are still learning
[21:05] <OvenWerks> Micha was doing all that for us before
[21:08] <OvenWerks> zequence: If we do much more with the grub stuff, we will probably have to watch the main package so we can keep ours up. (there are a few packages, we only need to do one)
[21:49] <zequence> OvenWerks: Have you ever had problems with desktop sound on saucy?
[21:49] <zequence> It seems there's a few complaining about not having pulseaudio working at all for them
[22:00] <OvenWerks> never
[22:01] <OvenWerks> I have common audio cards though.
[22:01] <OvenWerks> Intel HDA and ice1712
[22:08] <zequence> OvenWerks: I've seen people having problems with HDA
[22:08] <zequence> I have HDA too, and I've never had problems either
[22:09] <OvenWerks> Hda is just a bus spec really so I guess it may depend on what codec is dropped on that bus.
[22:10] <OvenWerks> If you look at the switches for the alsa hda driver... there is a long list depending on the codec and configuration.
[22:11] <zequence> Well, it
[22:11] <zequence> it's not really that UBuntu Studio specific. Probably all sorts of users get problems, and are reporting bugs