[02:41] zequence: depends how far back you're backporting, I'd suggest getting the dependency relaxed [02:42] zequence: if you're going from saucy to raring for ardour3, I'd be fine applying a diff to relax the dependency (would've been better to get it fixed in saucy, but that ship's sailed) [07:22] micahg: My goal was precise, but not sure if that is at all possible [07:23] I'd rather skip the releases in between and just backport whatever packages that are needed for ardour3 to end up there [07:24] As I've understood, you can't skip releases like that [07:24] You have to backport back one release at the time, right? [08:33] OvenWerks, zequence: The GRUB change has made Studio impossible to use UEFI, as told by xnox. [08:33] I mean, the GRUB boot item. [08:33] He requests us to revert such changes. [10:33] zequence, do you want help with creating the table on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageListSaucy ? [10:57] OvenWerks, zequence: It's Bug 1242417. BTW Kubuntu might be releasing a 13.10.1 release based on the bugfix to this. Would you guys want a re-spin also? (If it is technically possible) [10:57] bug 1242417 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 [13:41] cub: Yes please, just follow what I've done. [13:41] I've done A,B and C so far [13:42] Might be a good idea to copy the text somewhere else, before saving, in case something goes wrong. Been a while since I had a problem, but I guess there could be one if two people are working on it at the same time [13:43] smartboyhw: We were discussing that bug yesterday [13:43] zequence, OK, so what's the resolution? [13:43] So, we're following the progress of that bug report [13:43] Someone is working on it [13:44] zequence, who? xnox? [13:44] smartboyhw: You seem to mix up UEFI with secure boot [13:44] UEFI is a replacement for BIOS, which requires a new way of installing - you need a special partition for UEFI [13:45] secureboot is a feature for UEFI [13:45] zequence, yes [13:46] zequence, but do you want to respin the image if the "somebody" got the SRU out? [13:49] smartboyhw: That would be best, yes [13:49] zequence, sure [14:19] cub: We can do the categorization and inclusion part after we'de done making tables of everything [14:19] Each category should be a link, that points to a section of the category page. I'll fix that later [14:20] We define categories as we categorize. Afterwards we can adjust by removing or adding new categories, if needed [14:24] I was thinking of the making table part [14:24] it's a lot of rows to plow thorugh [14:24] unless you want to do them all? [14:24] No, it would be great if you could helå [14:25] help* [14:25] oh right, you have already answered that earlier. [14:25] yep :) [15:24] zequence, the unauthorized stuff are removed from spreadshirt [15:45] ttoine: That was fast :) [15:46] zequence, it turns out I'm the one who has to fix the stuff-.- (fixing and waiting for review to sponsor) [15:46] smartboyhw: Fixing, how? [15:46] zequence, you can see in the trunk lp:ubuntustudio-default-settings [15:47] smartboyhw: don't do any changes without our concent, please [15:47] zequence, OK [15:47] smartboyhw: It's not cool to revert someones changes and not communicating about it [15:47] you are not the boss here [15:47] first you talk about it, then you make the change, ok? [15:48] zequence, I thought you said it should be fixed? [15:48] ...... [15:48] Sorry [15:48] Yes, of course. But, there's a matter of HOW [15:48] zequence, sure [15:51] smartboyhw: OvenWerks is the one who made the change. He should be involved in discussions [15:53] smartboyhw: I can't find any change you have made [15:53] zequence, oh? [15:53] DId I not push then? [15:53] smartboyhw: please don't [15:53] you have your own branch, right? [15:54] zequence, it's here https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/trusty/ubuntustudio-default-settings/fix-bug-1242417/+merge/192179 [15:54] (That's for actual upload though by then) [15:55] smartboyhw: remove the merge request please [15:57] zequence, done [15:57] Good night, BTW, it's 11:57 P.M [15:59] OvenWerks: I'd rather stay out of this, since I have enough on my table, so if you could please have a look at what changes were proposed by Howard, and also see about the bug report [16:00] OvenWerks: We need to make Ubuntu Studio bootable on UEFI systems, and we should respin the image once a fix is in place [16:00] OvenWerks: If you'd like to keep the way our GRUB menu works, perhaps there is another way. You could discuss it on the bug, IRC or on a mail list, [16:01] OvenWerks: This is Howards branch https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/trusty/ubuntustudio-default-settings/fix-bug-1242417 [16:34] zequence, the legal service of spreadshirt is efficient, but very exigent [17:08] OvenWerks: cjwatson suggested we do the change, so I'm going to go ahead and do it, both on our dev branch as well as make a merge request [17:08] ..to the saucy release [17:09] Then I suggest a discussion between different parties, and the maintainer cjwatson about future changes (on his request) [19:15] the ubuntu wiki is driving me nuts with the login problems [19:20] cub: I was thinking maybe we could script the whole thing [19:20] I should look into that [19:21] it might be difficult since there's only spaces between them [19:21] we have a similar wiki at work and I always end up doing it manually anyway [19:22] cub: I think it should be doable [19:22] woaw, we include the DAISY player! :D [19:22] the first items are easy enough to filter. The last bit is text of random length [19:22] cub: We don't include all of those [19:22] they are just all within the "sound" category in Ubuntu packages [19:22] aha [19:23] well, we should include daisy since I made the first daisy book ever. [19:23] I'm starting to edit some now [19:34] zequence, you remove all the version numbers? [19:34] cub: Yes, we don't really need them [19:35] plus, they could change during the release [19:35] exactly [19:45] hmm didn't get far. The dog complains. :P bbl [20:10] cub: I have a script almost ready that will make our lives easier [20:27] really? how did you make it? [20:31] anyway, heading to bed. I'll take a look at the page tomorrow morning if there is anything left to edit on my daily commute [20:57] zequence: Sorry it took so long. That change is fine in -settings. I would like to do things differently anyway. Maybe add a Flavour keyword/variable. [20:59] I've realized Ubuntu branches are not duplicates of Ubuntu Studio ones. The latest commits to our branch are a bit strange [20:59] Howard made the change to the Ubuntu trusty branch, and asked to merge [20:59] impossible to merge with our branch [20:59] so, I had to add the diffs manually [20:59] I'm seeing some problems in the way we deal with branches [21:05] zequence: yes, It is something we are still learning [21:05] Micha was doing all that for us before [21:08] zequence: If we do much more with the grub stuff, we will probably have to watch the main package so we can keep ours up. (there are a few packages, we only need to do one) [21:49] OvenWerks: Have you ever had problems with desktop sound on saucy? [21:49] It seems there's a few complaining about not having pulseaudio working at all for them [22:00] never [22:01] I have common audio cards though. [22:01] Intel HDA and ice1712 [22:08] OvenWerks: I've seen people having problems with HDA [22:08] I have HDA too, and I've never had problems either [22:09] Hda is just a bus spec really so I guess it may depend on what codec is dropped on that bus. [22:10] If you look at the switches for the alsa hda driver... there is a long list depending on the codec and configuration. [22:11] Well, it [22:11] it's not really that UBuntu Studio specific. Probably all sorts of users get problems, and are reporting bugs