[00:13] <ali1234> it doesn't prompt when you're not on a development build
[00:14] <skellat> Issues go to errors.ubuntu.com in those circumstances instead
[00:14] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150476/how-do-i-submit-a-full-bug-report-with-crash-dump-and-steps-to-reproduce
[00:14] <ali1234> if you want to send a real bug report ^
[00:23] <brainwash> ali1234: prompt what? everything looks the same, except it does not upload the data after a click on "relaunch" (send report checkbox is activated)
[00:23] <ali1234> it does
[00:23] <ali1234> it just doesn't open the browser, because the report goes to a different place
[00:24] <brainwash> I see, so I have no control about the bug report
[00:24] <brainwash> and cannot access it on launchpad
[00:26] <skellat> brainwash: At this point it goes to errors.ubuntu.com where devs see them
[00:27] <brainwash> skellat: right, I understand it that now
[00:27] <brainwash> so I don't see any point to upload reports from now on
[00:27] <Unit193> I had to disable apport because it was going nuts "finding" bugs... :/
[00:28] <ali1234> brainwash: you have control if you want it, check the link
[00:28] <skellat> There was some talk of Non-Disclosure Agreements to see what is in the bin at errors.ubuntu.com.  Reports are still good as they show up as hideous flags to developers as to whether or not their software is failing miserably.
[00:28] <brainwash> ali1234: oh, my bad, should have read it properly
[00:29] <brainwash> once apport did open 5, maybe it was even 6 apport windows after login
[00:29] <brainwash> after final release
[00:29] <ali1234> it's because of the way uploads work
[00:30] <ali1234> sometimes it tries to upload huge files to daisy, and it is done in the background
[00:30] <ali1234> if you reboot it does not resume
[00:30] <ali1234> instead, it acts like the program crashed again
[00:30] <Unit193> brainwash: Yeeeeep.  Login got about 6 boxes...
[00:31] <ali1234> also, maybe just 6 things crash on every boot... wouldn' be all that unusual
[00:36] <brainwash> oh boy, my favorite bug currently is the network manager one, still not a single hint why it won't wake up after resuming from suspend
[00:39] <Unit193> I think we'll have to go with "It's still tired, so doesn't want to wake up."
[00:43] <brainwash> if I only knew how to debug ubuntu's systemd abomination
[00:59] <brainwash> Unit193: do you use gnome-screensaver?
[00:59] <Unit193> xscreensaver
[01:00] <brainwash> ok, I'm using it on both my machines which are affected
[01:02] <brainwash> but I guess it's unlikely that gnome-screensaver is interfering the resume process
[02:45] <Noskcaj> bluesabre: Have mugshot and menulibre been packaged yet?
[03:21] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: not yet. Menulibre still doesn't do what Xubuntu needs and mugshot will need another release to fix some of the permissions bugs.  Hoping to have both done within a few weeks.
[03:22] <bluesabre> heading to bed now, bbl
[03:29] <bluesabre> interesting thought, since gtk-3.10 has dropped GtkImageMenuItem, a gtk3-xfce-panel applications-menu running in 3.10+ will basically be crap
[03:31] <bluesabre> unless, of course, whisker-menu gains popularity
[03:37] <Unit193> http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin_1.1.1-1.html it'll be in the LTS, but I won't use it unless I have to.  And yeah, that sounds terrible, stupid GTK/Gnome...
[03:42] <skellat> GNOME is turning into a runaway psychology experiment that is lacking the benefit of an human subjects protection/oversight board
[05:18] <astraljava> brainwash: Thanks, got caught up with other things and forgot about this. :)
[05:45] <Noskcaj> I've made an attempt at a xubuntu t-shirt on spreadshirt at http://www.spreadshirt.com/design-your-own-t-shirt-C59/product/108355733/view/1/sb/l
[09:20] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:00] <olbi> hi guys, there is still problem with Software Center which sometimes crashed :/
[10:06] <astraljava> olbi: There are a couple of bugs on LP in which crashing is mentioned. Perhaps you could contribute to resolving the one in particular to you issue?
[10:07] <astraljava> olbi: You can find the list here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bugs
[11:34] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[11:34] <knome> slickymaster, pong
[11:34] <slickymaster> knome: good morning. Just a quick question
[11:35] <knome> sure
[11:35] <knome> (you can always just go ahead, i'll answer when i get back or if others know, they'll answer before that)
[11:35] <slickymaster> in Chapter 11 - Hardware Devices there's a reference to use Computer Janitor in order to free same of the available hard drive space
[11:36] <slickymaster> I was under the impression that Computer Janitor was dropped in  Ubuntu - mainly because nobody used it and the serious perceived issues that it could break the system with some of its suggestions.
[11:37] <slickymaster> knome: what do you think?
[11:37] <knome> a sec, i'll poke some places...
[11:37] <slickymaster> knome: It's in the Disks and Partitions section
[11:38] <knome> well it definitely looks like it's at least quite old; the last release seems to be 2.1.0, which already oneiric/precise had
[11:39] <slickymaster> knome: yes, there's also that
[11:39] <knome> slickymaster, hmm... are you sure it's there?
[11:39] <knome> slickymaster, actually it is not; it's removed for 13.10
[11:40] <slickymaster> knome: please refer to item 432 in https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/saucy/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate?memo=430&start=430
[11:40] <knome> the translations might be outdated
[11:40] <knome> or, tbe, the translation templates
[11:40] <knome> http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[11:40] <knome> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/hardware-devices.html#disks-partitions
[11:40] <knome> no mention of computer janitor
[11:41] <slickymaster> knome: yeah, you're right, I'm not seeing it in my box, also
[11:41] <knome> the fact that the translation templates are outdated is stupid and our fault
[11:41] <knome> but because that can happen, you should always check the english source files
[11:42] <slickymaster> knome: well, I'll make the translation anyway 
[11:42] <slickymaster> knome: will do
[11:42] <knome> that's going to be relatively useless, but that does make it disappear from the list of strings that need translating, so fine ;)
[11:43] <slickymaster> knome: do you think I should do anything, like filing a bug, so the translations templates get updated?
[11:43] <knome> i think we need a HOWTO for docs, i always forget how to do stuff each cycle
[11:43] <knome> i'll look into that now
[11:43] <knome> it should be a trivial task, since IIRC there is a script that does that
[11:44] <slickymaster> knome: if you need any help on that, just ping me. I'm more than willing to help you
[11:45] <knome> that should've been done
[11:45] <slickymaster> knome: what?
[11:46] <knome> it might either have updated the string in LP directly, or then it might take a while, or then we need to poke something else as well
[11:46] <knome> the translation template is updated in the branch.
[11:46] <slickymaster> knome: yes, I can confirm that
[11:46] <knome> ok, cool
[11:47] <knome> i'll add doing that at appropriate times to our release checklist
[11:47] <slickymaster> knome: as I have you attention, allow me to ask another thing about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/1238718
[11:48] <knome> yup
[11:49] <slickymaster> as far as I can see it didn't update anything in Chapter 6, I'm still getting the same occurrences with NetworkManager application not being embraced between the proper <application>...</application> tags.
[11:49] <knome> have you pulled from lp:xubuntu-docs?
[11:49] <slickymaster> knome: no, I'm referring to the translation template, in LP
[11:49] <knome> hmm.
[11:50] <knome> i'll look into that.
[11:51] <slickymaster> knome: ok, thanks
[12:00] <knome> hmm...
[12:01] <knome> seriously? :P
[12:03] <knome> looks like i deleted all translations from the trusty branhc.
[12:03] <knome> *branch
[12:04] <knome> wait, no
[12:04] <knome> it was just lagging
[12:05] <knome> slickymaster, can you confirmt it's as supposed now?
[12:05] <knome> -t
[12:06] <slickymaster> knome: give a sec
[12:08] <slickymaster> knome: in LP, no. see item 313 for example in https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/saucy/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate?direction=backwards&memo=320&start=310
[12:08] <knome> that's the saucy branch.
[12:08] <slickymaster> yes
[12:09] <knome> ...we're working on the trusty branch now
[12:09] <slickymaster> knome: got it, let me go there and check
[12:09] <knome> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/trusty/+pots/desktop-guide/pt/+translate?direction=backwards&memo=320&start=310
[12:09] <knome> that would be approximately the same spot
[12:11] <slickymaster> knome: it's fixed, now
[12:12] <knome> cool!
[12:12] <slickymaster> knome: one lasty thing, should https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-docs/+bug/1238718 be marked as fix release?
[12:13] <knome> no; it's marked as fix released once a package with that fix is released; it will be done automatically now that the bug number is mentioned in the changelog
[12:14] <slickymaster> knome: thanks for everything
[12:14] <knome> no problem!
[12:15] <slickymaster> knome: I'll drop that translation in the saucy branch and will just work on the trusty branch. I think that's what is intended, right?
[12:15] <knome> yep
[12:16] <knome> all the translated strings are copied over though, so you basically just keep on translating :)
[12:16] <slickymaster> knome: ok, won't bother you any more. Thanks again
[12:16] <knome> heh, no problem. happy to help :)
[12:16] <slickymaster> :)
[13:08] <olbi> knome, you are responsible for accepting translations in Polish lang?
[13:09] <olbi> https://translations.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/saucy/+pots/desktop-guide
[13:10] <knome> olbi, i am not.
[13:11] <knome> but, if you are translating, 1) please use the trusty branch 2) the branches are auto-updated
[13:12] <olbi> why not Saucy?
[13:12] <olbi> some errors are there?
[13:24] <knome> saucy is released, and it is not a long-term support; we are focusing on the trusty series now
[13:24] <knome> olbi, ^
[15:47] <olbi> but there is six months yet and ppl are using saucy :D
[16:04] <olbi> there is problem with translatingi it from launchpad
[16:04] <olbi> when you have 3 sentences in english, in polish I could do 1 sentence :P
[16:06] <davmor2> olbi: yeah but with all the letters you add it would be 4 sentences long right ;)
[16:06] <olbi> hehe :D
[16:06] <olbi> I started translating this help files, edited html from system :D
[16:07] <olbi> i do 3 chapters
[17:52] <olbi> hmm, I add PPA with Xfce-4.10 and Xfce 4.12, install all updates, restart, than after move home icon on the corners of it, thera are sticky pixels :P