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[06:36] <darkxst> ricotz, did you ever look into the gjs tests?
[06:36] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710697
[06:36] <ubot5> Gnome bug 710697 in general "gjs tests broken on Ubuntu" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[06:44] <ricotz> darkxst, sorry, no, and i also think it is a buildsys problem
[06:44] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, better do something like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154332025/gnome-maps_3.10.0-2~saucy1_3.10.0-2~saucy2.diff.gz
[06:45] <ricotz> to ease the transition if the geoclue debian package makes it into trusty
[06:53] <darkxst> ricotz, but geoclue and goeclue-2 are completely incompatible
[06:54] <darkxst> ?
[06:54] <ricotz> darkxst, i know, the didnt change the source binary/package name
[06:54] <ricotz> the/they
[06:54] <darkxst> oh, I see
[06:54] <ricotz> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=geoclue
[06:56] <ricotz> i still think our package layout is better, already mentioned it to bigon
[06:58] <darkxst> ok
[08:00] <darkxst> ricotz, so the webkit build failures are back again I see
[08:01] <darkxst> they all went away when they dropped compat back to 8, but it hasnt been bumped back up so strange its back
[08:03] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah, still hoping there is a builder which gets it through
[11:34] <sazawal> If I have a function f(x), then can we say about df'(x)/df(x). Is it d/df(x) (df(x)/dx) or d/dx(df(x)/df(x)) which is identically 0.
[11:34] <sazawal> Sorry, wrong channel
[11:51] <auscompgeek> yeah, this isn't ##math ;)
[12:49] <slawko> hello
[12:49] <slawko> I have a question
[12:52] <slawko> does anybody knows, if the extended authentication provided by google works with Gnome Shell?
[12:52] <slawko> as well as Facebook one
[12:59] <slawko> i mean the authentication by codes sended via mobilephone
[16:36] <bjsnider> that eog problem i was inquiring about last night is gnome bug 690236 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690236
[16:36] <ubot5> Gnome bug 690236 in image viewer "eog shows (small) pictures at 96% (and 97%) zoom, instead of (easily achievable) 100%" [Normal,New]
[18:28] <sazawal> Can anyone tell me, when a file is opened in nautilus what is the trigger/interrupt that ubuntu uses for recording recent history?
[19:52] <SuperDanceParty> Hello
[19:53] <SuperDanceParty> I have a couple simple questions for gnome-ubuntu users
[19:54] <SuperDanceParty> anyone?
[19:55] <SuperDanceParty> :'(
[19:56] <SuperDanceParty> sad alex
[19:57] <SuperDanceParty> hi sir
[20:08] <darkxst> !ask
[20:08] <ubot5> Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[21:32] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: you there?
[21:33] <darkxst> yup
[21:33] <amjjawad-sick> I am so sick but couldn't sleep so thought to check
[21:33] <amjjawad-sick> oh good
[21:34] <amjjawad-sick> this is a very quick chat until I feel better and can work with my usual energy. So, in short, what is your plan for 14.04?
[21:35] <darkxst> well dev wise there won't be a whole lot we can do for 14.04, since seems like 3.10 will be blocked
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> O_o
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> blocked?
[21:35] <darkxst> Ubuntu want to stick with 3.8
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> Yes, I know but what that to do with us?
[21:36] <darkxst> and without updated gtk+ there is very little we can update
[21:36] <amjjawad-sick> is this final? aren't they still discussing it?
[21:36] <darkxst> unfortunately we share a number of core packages
[21:36] <amjjawad-sick> I am aware of that :)
[21:37] <amjjawad-sick> but I thought we are a bit free to choose our own path :/
[21:37] <darkxst> its not final, but I can't see them going up to 3.10, it brings very little to Ubuntu itself
[21:37] <amjjawad-sick> Sigh!
[21:38] <amjjawad-sick> this could be VERY bad news to our Users!!!!
[21:38] <darkxst> so basically we will be left to ship 3.10 via PPA
[21:39] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: let's talk honestly ... NO LTS and NO 3.10 by default? this will make our users really sad :(
[21:40] <amjjawad-sick> I felt so much happy with the release of 13.10 and many are getting excited and interested to try it and use it. We are going a great job. I am afraid this move will push some users away :(
[21:41] <amjjawad-sick> Lubuntu has only one main Dev and they will go LTS. Why not we do the same? and we have 2 as far as I know?!
[21:42] <darkxst> it will be a pseudo LTS, just not official
[21:42] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: why?
[21:43] <amjjawad-sick> Ubuntu Family can help us, I am sure. Why not try?
[21:43] <darkxst> because I don't think we have the manpower to commit to a full 2+ years of support
[21:44] <amjjawad-sick> yes, you are right and I know that. However, if we ask Ubuntu family to support us in this, do you think that would change anything?
[21:45] <Hio> Hello everyone. First, I want to appologize if my question is stupid. Or I haven't read something somewhare.
[21:45] <Hio> but my question is as follows:
[21:46] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, in particular backporting fixes to gnome-shell get very tricky after a couple of cycles of divergence
[21:47] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: in more simple word since I am sick and I am not a Dev :D
[21:47] <Hio> After downloading and installing ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and logged in, the environment is ... Unity and not GNOME... is this normal? I expected that with Ubuntu Gnome, the default desktop environment is Gnome 3.8
[21:47] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, say taking upstream fixes for 3.12 and applying them to 3.8, most of the time will be hard
[21:48] <Hio> can someone give me a hit what should I do? :) Thanks in advans, gang.
[21:48] <darkxst> Hio, you did a fresh install? perhaps you used the wrong ISO?
[21:50] <amjjawad-sick> Hio: what is the name of the ISO you have used??? full file name?
[21:50] <Hio> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/release/ubuntu-gnome-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:50] <Hio> I downloaded this and loaded it with daemon tools.
[21:50] <Hio> installed it under windows via wubi
[21:50] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: but you didn't answer my Q. Can't we get some extra support from other communities so that we can go for Full LTS?
[21:51] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, there are no other communities really interested in the Ubuntu GNOME Packageset
[21:51] <amjjawad-sick> :(
[21:52] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: let me try
[21:52] <amjjawad-sick> who knows? perhaps I can find someone?!
[21:52] <Hio> darkxst, amjjawad-sick, I downloaded the above one for my big laptop and for my tablet I downloaded the 32bit version.
[21:53] <Hio> the result was the same both here and there... unity...
[21:53] <amjjawad-sick> if you could just send me an email about what exactly you need so that we can go FULL LTS, and I will go hunt for someone for you. How about that? darkxst
[21:53] <darkxst> Hio, if you did a fresh install, its impossible to have Unity
[21:53] <amjjawad-sick> Hio: I never ever use Wubi
[21:54] <Hio> hm... I did a fresh install...
[21:55] <Hio> and ...DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=13.10 DISTRIB_CODENAME=saucy DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 13.10"
[21:55] <Hio> that is in the lsb_release
[21:55] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[21:56] <Hio> can there be some connection with the wubi installer?
[21:58] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: and we are failing to provide what exactly? a side from the fact that we don't have enough manpower?
[22:00] <amjjawad-sick> it would really break my heart that we need to wait another 2 years to be LTS :(
[22:00] <njalk> Hio, I tried downloading the image from the link you provided and loaded it in a virtual machine, it boots up gnome
[22:00] <njalk> Hio, any chance you could install without Wubi?
[22:02] <Hio> @njalk, well, probably I can, I just have windows and was used to (since wubi came up) to install ubuntu under windows in this way.
[22:02] <meetingology> Hio: Error: "njalk," is not a valid command.
[22:02] <Hio> njalk, well, probably I can, I just have windows and was used to (since wubi came up) to install ubuntu under windows in this way.
[22:02] <njalk> i did that too a couple of times, worked so and so, in my experience better to do a usb stick install
[22:02] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, we need a support plan and need to be able to commit to 2+years support
[22:03] <njalk> and you can make those from windows
[22:03] <Hio> njalk, what do you meen "usb stick install"? to install it via a bootable usb? or have a usb as a live image?
[22:04] <njalk> if you load it as a live image you get an option to install
[22:04] <Hio> and I can keep windows also? I haven't done this before, maybe I should give it a try :)...
[22:04] <njalk> yes
[22:05] <njalk> you will get a selection when you start your computer which OS to boot
[22:05] <Hio> but still, if that is the cause (installing via wubi) then, I think it is strange and has to be fixed.
[22:06] <Hio> From what I have heard from other people, they very rarely use wubi, but I think it's useful... anywho...
[22:06] <Hio> thanks a lot for the suport
[22:06] <Hio> I will do this tomorrow and maybe give feedback if interested.
[22:07] <nadrimajstor> Is there a tutorial on how are GNOME packages made for ubuntu-gnome?
[22:08] <njalk> sure Hio tell us how it went =)
[22:08] <Hio> cheers
[22:08] <njalk> and yes if that was wubi that should be looked into imo
[22:34] <slawko> Hi all
[22:35] <slawko> I've got a question, if anybody is present, to read it
[23:10] <phillw> !ask | phillw
[23:10] <ubot5> phillw, please see my private message
[23:11] <phillw> yup, bot is working fine :D