[06:36] <darkxst> ricotz, did you ever look into the gjs tests?
[06:36] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710697
[06:44] <ricotz> darkxst, sorry, no, and i also think it is a buildsys problem
[06:44] <ricotz> darkxst, btw, better do something like https://launchpadlibrarian.net/154332025/gnome-maps_3.10.0-2~saucy1_3.10.0-2~saucy2.diff.gz
[06:45] <ricotz> to ease the transition if the geoclue debian package makes it into trusty
[06:53] <darkxst> ricotz, but geoclue and goeclue-2 are completely incompatible
[06:54] <darkxst> ?
[06:54] <ricotz> darkxst, i know, the didnt change the source binary/package name
[06:54] <ricotz> the/they
[06:54] <darkxst> oh, I see
[06:54] <ricotz> http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=geoclue
[06:56] <ricotz> i still think our package layout is better, already mentioned it to bigon
[06:58] <darkxst> ok
[08:00] <darkxst> ricotz, so the webkit build failures are back again I see
[08:01] <darkxst> they all went away when they dropped compat back to 8, but it hasnt been bumped back up so strange its back
[08:03] <ricotz> darkxst, yeah, still hoping there is a builder which gets it through
[11:34] <sazawal> If I have a function f(x), then can we say about df'(x)/df(x). Is it d/df(x) (df(x)/dx) or d/dx(df(x)/df(x)) which is identically 0.
[11:34] <sazawal> Sorry, wrong channel
[11:51] <auscompgeek> yeah, this isn't ##math ;)
[12:49] <slawko> hello
[12:49] <slawko> I have a question
[12:52] <slawko> does anybody knows, if the extended authentication provided by google works with Gnome Shell?
[12:52] <slawko> as well as Facebook one
[12:59] <slawko> i mean the authentication by codes sended via mobilephone
[16:36] <bjsnider> that eog problem i was inquiring about last night is gnome bug 690236 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690236
[18:28] <sazawal> Can anyone tell me, when a file is opened in nautilus what is the trigger/interrupt that ubuntu uses for recording recent history?
[19:52] <SuperDanceParty> Hello
[19:53] <SuperDanceParty> I have a couple simple questions for gnome-ubuntu users
[19:54] <SuperDanceParty> anyone?
[19:55] <SuperDanceParty> :'(
[19:56] <SuperDanceParty> sad alex
[19:57] <SuperDanceParty> hi sir
[20:08] <darkxst> !ask
[21:32] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: you there?
[21:33] <darkxst> yup
[21:33] <amjjawad-sick> I am so sick but couldn't sleep so thought to check
[21:33] <amjjawad-sick> oh good
[21:34] <amjjawad-sick> this is a very quick chat until I feel better and can work with my usual energy. So, in short, what is your plan for 14.04?
[21:35] <darkxst> well dev wise there won't be a whole lot we can do for 14.04, since seems like 3.10 will be blocked
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> O_o
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> blocked?
[21:35] <darkxst> Ubuntu want to stick with 3.8
[21:35] <amjjawad-sick> Yes, I know but what that to do with us?
[21:36] <darkxst> and without updated gtk+ there is very little we can update
[21:36] <amjjawad-sick> is this final? aren't they still discussing it?
[21:36] <darkxst> unfortunately we share a number of core packages
[21:36] <amjjawad-sick> I am aware of that :)
[21:37] <amjjawad-sick> but I thought we are a bit free to choose our own path :/
[21:37] <darkxst> its not final, but I can't see them going up to 3.10, it brings very little to Ubuntu itself
[21:37] <amjjawad-sick> Sigh!
[21:38] <amjjawad-sick> this could be VERY bad news to our Users!!!!
[21:38] <darkxst> so basically we will be left to ship 3.10 via PPA
[21:39] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: let's talk honestly ... NO LTS and NO 3.10 by default? this will make our users really sad :(
[21:40] <amjjawad-sick> I felt so much happy with the release of 13.10 and many are getting excited and interested to try it and use it. We are going a great job. I am afraid this move will push some users away :(
[21:41] <amjjawad-sick> Lubuntu has only one main Dev and they will go LTS. Why not we do the same? and we have 2 as far as I know?!
[21:42] <darkxst> it will be a pseudo LTS, just not official
[21:42] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: why?
[21:43] <amjjawad-sick> Ubuntu Family can help us, I am sure. Why not try?
[21:43] <darkxst> because I don't think we have the manpower to commit to a full 2+ years of support
[21:44] <amjjawad-sick> yes, you are right and I know that. However, if we ask Ubuntu family to support us in this, do you think that would change anything?
[21:45] <Hio> Hello everyone. First, I want to appologize if my question is stupid. Or I haven't read something somewhare.
[21:45] <Hio> but my question is as follows:
[21:46] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, in particular backporting fixes to gnome-shell get very tricky after a couple of cycles of divergence
[21:47] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: in more simple word since I am sick and I am not a Dev :D
[21:47] <Hio> After downloading and installing ubuntu GNOME 13.10 and logged in, the environment is ... Unity and not GNOME... is this normal? I expected that with Ubuntu Gnome, the default desktop environment is Gnome 3.8
[21:47] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, say taking upstream fixes for 3.12 and applying them to 3.8, most of the time will be hard
[21:48] <Hio> can someone give me a hit what should I do? :) Thanks in advans, gang.
[21:48] <darkxst> Hio, you did a fresh install? perhaps you used the wrong ISO?
[21:50] <amjjawad-sick> Hio: what is the name of the ISO you have used??? full file name?
[21:50] <Hio> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/release/ubuntu-gnome-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:50] <Hio> I downloaded this and loaded it with daemon tools.
[21:50] <Hio> installed it under windows via wubi
[21:50] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: but you didn't answer my Q. Can't we get some extra support from other communities so that we can go for Full LTS?
[21:51] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, there are no other communities really interested in the Ubuntu GNOME Packageset
[21:51] <amjjawad-sick> :(
[21:52] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: let me try
[21:52] <amjjawad-sick> who knows? perhaps I can find someone?!
[21:52] <Hio> darkxst, amjjawad-sick, I downloaded the above one for my big laptop and for my tablet I downloaded the 32bit version.
[21:53] <Hio> the result was the same both here and there... unity...
[21:53] <amjjawad-sick> if you could just send me an email about what exactly you need so that we can go FULL LTS, and I will go hunt for someone for you. How about that? darkxst
[21:53] <darkxst> Hio, if you did a fresh install, its impossible to have Unity
[21:53] <amjjawad-sick> Hio: I never ever use Wubi
[21:54] <Hio> hm... I did a fresh install...
[21:55] <Hio> and ...DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu DISTRIB_RELEASE=13.10 DISTRIB_CODENAME=saucy DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 13.10"
[21:55] <Hio> that is in the lsb_release
[21:55] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[21:56] <Hio> can there be some connection with the wubi installer?
[21:58] <amjjawad-sick> darkxst: and we are failing to provide what exactly? a side from the fact that we don't have enough manpower?
[22:00] <amjjawad-sick> it would really break my heart that we need to wait another 2 years to be LTS :(
[22:00] <njalk> Hio, I tried downloading the image from the link you provided and loaded it in a virtual machine, it boots up gnome
[22:00] <njalk> Hio, any chance you could install without Wubi?
[22:02] <Hio> @njalk, well, probably I can, I just have windows and was used to (since wubi came up) to install ubuntu under windows in this way.
[22:02] <meetingology> Hio: Error: "njalk," is not a valid command.
[22:02] <Hio> njalk, well, probably I can, I just have windows and was used to (since wubi came up) to install ubuntu under windows in this way.
[22:02] <njalk> i did that too a couple of times, worked so and so, in my experience better to do a usb stick install
[22:02] <darkxst> amjjawad-sick, we need a support plan and need to be able to commit to 2+years support
[22:03] <njalk> and you can make those from windows
[22:03] <Hio> njalk, what do you meen "usb stick install"? to install it via a bootable usb? or have a usb as a live image?
[22:04] <njalk> if you load it as a live image you get an option to install
[22:04] <Hio> and I can keep windows also? I haven't done this before, maybe I should give it a try :)...
[22:04] <njalk> yes
[22:05] <njalk> you will get a selection when you start your computer which OS to boot
[22:05] <Hio> but still, if that is the cause (installing via wubi) then, I think it is strange and has to be fixed.
[22:06] <Hio> From what I have heard from other people, they very rarely use wubi, but I think it's useful... anywho...
[22:06] <Hio> thanks a lot for the suport
[22:06] <Hio> I will do this tomorrow and maybe give feedback if interested.
[22:07] <nadrimajstor> Is there a tutorial on how are GNOME packages made for ubuntu-gnome?
[22:08] <njalk> sure Hio tell us how it went =)
[22:08] <Hio> cheers
[22:08] <njalk> and yes if that was wubi that should be looked into imo
[22:34] <slawko> Hi all
[22:35] <slawko> I've got a question, if anybody is present, to read it
[23:10] <phillw> !ask | phillw
[23:11] <phillw> yup, bot is working fine :D