[05:26] <DanChapman> morning all
[06:56] <pitti> jibel: how did you set up the trusty autopkgtests, OOI? you took a saucy VM and dist-upgraded? (there don't seem to be trusty cloud images yet)
[07:01] <jibel> pitti, morning, that's what I did and there is a job that updates it every day until there is a cloud image for trusty
[07:01] <jibel> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~auto-package-testing-dev/auto-package-testing/trunk/view/head:/doc/opening_a_new_release.md
[07:13] <pitti> jibel: ack, merci
[09:24] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[14:07] <elopio> hello everybody!
[14:16] <davmor2> elopio: hello dude how's sunny costa?
[14:17] <elopio> davmor2: it's rainy costa at this time of the year.
[14:17] <elopio> but it's nice, as long as you work from home :D
[14:18] <davmor2> haha man you ruin my illusions of the sunny paradise of costa and vila does the same for france, I think I'll stay here at least there is sunshine :D
[14:20] <elopio> davmor2: well, you can come to the rain forest, that's cool because it's rainy. Or you can go to the caribbean coast, that has the seasons backwards so now it's summer.
[14:22] <davmor2> elopio: oh so like Australia who have their summer solstice on December the 21st
[15:19] <rvr> elopio, alesage: I have updated the merge request for ubuntu-system-settings ..... but
[15:19] <rvr> I also did a merge with trunk
[15:20] <rvr> So now it's a mess to check the diff
[15:21] <elopio> rvr: why aren't you merging against trunk?
[15:23] <rvr> elopio: The tests were in very early stage
[15:24] <elopio> rvr: so, first merge ~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-system-settings/autopilot with trunk in a separate branch. Then the diff will be sane, I think.
[15:25] <rvr> Good tip
[15:29] <rvr> Hmm... the diff is not updated in Launchpad
[16:18] <elopio> robotfuel: so, about select_pick_text
[16:18] <elopio> using an index instead of text certainly solves the translation issues.
[16:19] <elopio> robotfuel: but you said that the text might be created programatically. Why can't we add an objectName programatically along with the text?
[16:20] <robotfuel> elopio: It could
[16:21] <robotfuel> elopio: I think option selectors should probably be treated the same way.
[16:21] <elopio> robotfuel: I would prefer to have objectName as an identifier, and index as a fall back id. Avoid text as much as possible.
[16:22] <elopio> robotfuel: but maybe we don't need objectName in some cases, or we can't set them in some others. I'm blind here about the options and pickers, because I haven't touched them. I'll trust whatever you prefer.
[16:23] <robotfuel> elopio: I don't know how easy that will be to implement, because right now the picks and selections in the optionselector are  just a list.
[16:24] <robotfuel> elopio: I think app developers will want to select a pick or an option with the text of the option or pick.
[16:24] <elopio> robotfuel: but you can assign an object name to list items. Like this: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/147558044/popover.qml
[16:25] <elopio> robotfuel: I know people will find it easier to select by text, but it has so many problems that it would be great if we can encourage using objectNames from the emulators.
[16:25] <robotfuel> elopio: ah I see, I was just going by the examples.
[16:26] <elopio> if the API doesn't let select by text, they will have to add the objectNames, instead of adding text methods to the API. I think that's a win.
[16:27] <robotfuel> elopio: I was looking at this https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/examples/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-gallery/Pickers.qml
[16:27] <elopio> robotfuel: that's a good point.
[16:27] <robotfuel> elopio: we need to update the example to only use the custom model. with the object name
[16:28] <elopio> if the examples don't use objectName, or they don't support it, I think that would be a high priority bug as it blocks testability.
[16:28] <robotfuel> elopio: I'll write a bug
[16:29] <elopio> well, it doesn't block it if we are soft and adapt. But I think we shouldn't, let's not automate anything unless we have proper ids set.
[16:29] <elopio> robotfuel: awesome, thanks.
[16:29] <robotfuel> elopio: it would be nice to enforce using an objectName in objectselector and pickers in the code...
[16:29] <robotfuel> er optionselecter
[16:29] <robotfuel> or
[18:51] <balloons> ping phillw
[18:51] <phillw> balloons: pong
[18:51] <balloons> hey, so I've been busy editing the wiki and wanted to share with you some of the changes so they didn't freak you out :-)
[18:52] <phillw> balloons: I saw the move to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ :)
[18:53] <balloons> :-) Yea, the activities moniker was a bit antiquated.. I think it read much better as an FAQ, so I turned it into such
[18:53] <balloons> then I dropped the cadence testing pages and added the 'roles' stuff
[18:53] <balloons> I pushed emails on everything just now so I'll let you read the posts and mails rather than repeat it all here :-)
[18:54]  * elfy has been reading
[18:54] <balloons> let me think if there was anything else.. not really, just some re-linking and simplification
[18:54] <phillw> I'll back track and check that my links from lubuntu now reflect the new page name.
[18:54]  * Letozaf_ is reading too
[18:54] <balloons> I put in a redirect to not break anything
[18:55] <phillw> balloons: I know :D
[18:55] <balloons> yea.. but the rename could still be a bit funny
[18:55] <balloons> anyways, comments on the meat of the changes are appreciated ;-)
[18:55] <phillw> provided you do not try to chain renames, it is fine.
[18:56] <phillw> but, it is always a temporary measure. We are encouraged to check what pages refer to it.
[18:58] <balloons> certainly
[18:58] <phillw> docs is going to be a busy cycle with an LTS due out :)
[19:02] <phillw> drat, lubuntu-testing wiki is allocated to me :D I will ask sergio (our TL for wiki) if he wants to have a look and further update his references for his application.
[19:02] <phillw> for being a wiki admin / editor.
[19:06] <phillw> actually, if he does have time; it would be a great one for him to have a look at. I did all the work on what was Activities :)
[19:10] <balloons> phillw, yes.. it was easy to do the rename and tweak to FAQ
[19:11] <balloons> much of that editing was already done, hah
[19:12] <phillw> balloons: I never finished off https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing there is now further duplication that can be removed. I don't need that page back until the pre-alphas really start to arrive. I'll liase with sergio and see if he can add it to his workload, else I'll do it myself.
[19:13] <thomi> morning
[19:16] <balloons> morning thomi
[19:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, hello
[19:27] <balloons> Letozaf_, hello :-)
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, after reading what you posted I am quite exited, sounds good
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think it can work fine I always
[19:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, wanted to get more involved with bugs when I used to test
[19:29] <Letozaf_> balloons, ISO's
[19:31] <alesage> elopio ping
[19:33] <alesage> balloons, ping
[19:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, I'm glad to hear it. It makes sense to me, and I want people to be able to self-direct even more
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! now I saw the (c) Carla Sella under the photo ! cool! :P
[19:34] <balloons> not everyone has those skills :-)
[19:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, :-) Yes I loved your salamander pic, so I took it :-)
[19:34] <balloons> alesage, pong
[19:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, well I'm happy you used it :P
[19:35] <alesage> balloons, hiya, I'm doing the indicators autopilot tests and I'm coming to the point of having to ask the unity8 devs to give proper objectNames to things
[19:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes also the "new roles" seem perfect
[19:35] <alesage> balloons, have you witnessed such, and can you instruct, etc.?
[19:35] <thomi> alesage: I recommend just doing it in your branch, and proposing a MP
[19:35] <thomi> faster turnaround time that way
[19:36] <Letozaf_> balloons, well everything more or less sounds good
[19:36] <alesage> thomi fair, but /me might need a bit of a push to grok the QML, do you recall an MP as example?
[19:37] <thomi> alesage: no, sorry
[19:37] <thomi> my advice would be to dive in and mess around :)
[19:39] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think it will be easier to pick what to do with the "new roles"
[19:40] <balloons> alesage, thomi is spot on. Just make the change in the qml and it will show in the merge. It's just a single line ;-)
[19:40] <balloons> and yes that means you get to grok qml layouts.. it's not TOO bad once you get the hang of it
[19:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, good.. we need more folks to gravitate towards the test writer and developer roles. I thought if I laid everything out it might be easier to do so
[19:42] <balloons> at least now I can ask for people to join some of the specific projects we have
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's a good idea, otherwise you may think that testing is just testing ISO's
[19:42] <balloons> more details can always be provided, but I'm glad you feel like it's a good first step
[19:42] <Letozaf_> balloons, but there is much more
[19:42] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes.. in fact I want to move testing well beyond isos
[19:43] <balloons> I'd like to make testing isos largely an autopilot and preseed automated testing operation
[19:44] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes testing ISO's get's quite "boring" after a while, so I think you are right
[19:45] <elfy> Letozaf_: I assume by after a while you mean after you've done 2 :)
[19:45] <Letozaf_> elfy, :D
[19:46] <balloons> If you don't find anything exciting, then yes indeed
[19:46] <elfy> :)
[19:46] <balloons> retesting the same things again and again is best done with a machine
[19:46] <balloons> breaking things, well elfy is good at that
[19:46] <elfy> yay
[19:46] <Letozaf_> balloons, exactly
[19:46] <balloons> if he can't break the image he'll try something else
[19:46] <balloons> so this is the culture I want to cultivate
[19:47] <elfy> breaking things?
[19:47] <balloons> exactly
[19:47] <elfy> I'm all for that :)
[19:47] <balloons> I knew you would be!
[19:47] <elfy> I agree that testing apps is what people should be doing
[19:47] <elfy> and how things 'look'
[19:48] <balloons> I want to have as many folks as possible using the development release, trying to break stuff, uncovering bugs, and helping followup and get them fixed
[19:48] <balloons> that's a much more interesting and useful workflow to me
[19:48] <balloons> so the tester role tries to reflect that
[19:48] <Letozaf_> well as balloons said let's let the machine's do the repetitive stuff
[19:48] <balloons> do you feel it's been captured as such?
[19:48] <elfy> yep - can see that
[19:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, me too
[19:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, and sounds exiting too :P
[19:50] <balloons> excellent.. Then we can convince a few of those tester folks to write some automated tests too :-)
[19:50] <balloons> it too is getting easier..
[19:50] <Letozaf_> balloons, well I enjoy writing autopilot tests
[19:50] <elfy> sadly it'll have to be a LOT easier before it makes any sense to me
[19:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, even when "it wasn't easy"
[19:51] <balloons> elfy, lol, we'll get there
[19:51] <balloons> the emulators help quite a bit
[19:51]  * balloons ducks thomi because he never stopped using 'emulators'
[19:51] <thomi> heh
[19:53] <elfy> balloons: when I can start an 'autopilot test writing application' and then go do stuff in a real application that runs in xfce and press a button at the end which produces a testcase
[19:53] <elfy> then you will have got there :D
[19:54] <balloons> elfy, it can certainly start there..  adding in the asserts and you could be done
[19:54] <elfy> :)
[19:54] <balloons> you get the concept, it's a matter of syntax then
[19:54] <balloons> that's good.. I want everyone to at least get the concept of how it works.. you need it to write tests.. manual  or automated
[19:57] <balloons> morning Noskcaj
[19:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, pitty I do not have a Thar in my back yard to take a picture of :P
[19:58] <Noskcaj> hey balloons
[19:58] <balloons> Letozaf_, you are quite diverse there in Italy, maybe it's there :-)
[19:58] <Noskcaj> I'm back from the perl 5.18 migration (it killed my xchat)
[19:58] <balloons> Noskcaj, ahh, :-)
[19:58]  * balloons stills <3's perl
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, no don't think we got them here :P
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, but we've got goats!
[19:59] <elfy> goats!!!
[19:59] <balloons> Letozaf_, close enough.. grab a pic of a wild goat with long hair..you've got a tahr
[19:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, lol
[20:01] <balloons> so elfy, Letozaf_  no sessions this time, instead more wiki info.. I can be onboard with that completely. We'll see what others thingk
[20:02] <Noskcaj> +1
[20:02] <elfy> I think so balloons
[20:02] <Noskcaj> just maybe don't make an extra irc channel
[20:02] <elfy> Noskcaj: aaah - there was a reason for that :)
[20:03] <elfy> irc is confusing enough for new people as it is without having to be in a channel like this full of people all talking about different things at the same
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, but we must find the way to make these wiki pages easy to find
[20:03] <elfy> better to keep it seperate and on topic
[20:03] <elfy> Letozaf_: no more than making sure sessions are easy to find :)
[20:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, e1fy I was thinking of a sort of wiki page that had a link to all the other wiki pages, an index
[20:04] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, so you start with the index and from there go everywhere you need
[20:05] <balloons> elfy, are you archiving and migrating ubuntu+1 on the forums? http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=427
[20:05] <balloons> or keeping it flowing?
[20:05] <balloons> Letozaf_, hmm.. like a table of contents page? a site index on a site?
[20:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:06] <balloons> I'm not sure where I stand on a good index versus a search
[20:06] <elfy> balloons: we didn't archive after raring - so it is now from 13.04 forward at the moment
[20:06] <balloons> elfy, I seemingly remember that, ty
[20:06] <elfy> nothing to stop us changing our minds in the future though
[20:06] <elfy> we have the power - or at least 6 of us do ;)
[20:07] <elfy> though I did add a BIG RED NOTICE :p
[20:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think that sometimes non english speaking people could find it more difficult to use search, but it's just an idea
[20:08] <Letozaf_> balloons, if you got a single wiki page from where you can find everything you need maybe it's easier
[20:08] <elfy> Letozaf_: a simple wiki page with links with detail behind
[20:08] <Letozaf_> e1fy yes
[20:08] <elfy> Letozaf_: so that is a SNAP moment :)
[20:08] <balloons> elfy, I can't login anyway, so ... :-(
[20:08] <elfy> Letozaf_: try tab el - it's not a 1
[20:08] <elfy> balloons: why?
[20:09] <Letozaf_> elfy, :P
[20:09] <balloons> I had forgotten it wasn't working for me
[20:09] <balloons> sso
[20:09] <elfy> balloons: you want me to sort for you?
[20:09] <balloons> elfy, if it's possible, sure
[20:10] <elfy> balloons: going to PM
[20:10] <phillw> one of the things that does seem to recur is that of the X-Files theme, "the truth is out there". It seems we excel at making the information but are poor at making what where called 'one stop shops' which had the contents broken into smaller chinks. This is what i attempted with the re-write of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ Which, with the latest tweak from balloons I do think is an excellent template for basing what can be very in depth 
[20:11] <elfy> balloons Letozaf_ phillw - in my opinion we overdo wiki pages and try to put too much on one page - they should be easy to read - much of the time they aren't
[20:12] <elfy> too many links - too much text - too much to read in 15 minutes and people lose concentration
[20:12] <Letozaf_> balloons, sometimes you start on one wiki page, follow the links and get lost, do not know where you started at
[20:12] <Letozaf_> Letozaf_, that's my feeling more or less
[20:12] <phillw> elfy: and then we fail when people cannot find where to find information. It is a very delicate ballencing act :)
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, but not always
[20:13] <elfy> go listen to a lecture - information in the first 10 minutes - information in the last 10 minutes - not so much importance in between
[20:13] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes I know.. everyone has a love/hate with wiki's
[20:13] <Letozaf_> balloons, but maybe you guys should hear what other people have to say about this, maybe my feeling isn't what other's feel
[20:14] <phillw> that's why 30 min classroom sessions are good, unless people are prepped up for a real "brain burner" :)
[20:15] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw but on IRC you do not get what a good written wiki and a video screencast give
[20:15] <balloons> I love hate video too, lol
[20:15] <balloons> I prefer text..but that said I am VERY VERY much a visual learner
[20:16] <phillw> Letozaf_: and some of us do not have speed to allow live video casts or reviewing you-tube etc. again, it is something that needs to be discussed :)
[20:16] <balloons> so for things outside of my comfort zone I want a video
[20:16] <balloons> tech things typically I want to skim for details and that is easier with text
[20:17] <balloons> youtube vids can be downloaded to watch without having to worry about streaming, but I agree.. having both is the better option
[20:17] <elfy> I hate videos
[20:17] <Letozaf_> elfy, I like them because you can stop them an rewind to see what you want over and over again if needed
[20:18] <Letozaf_> well not rewind...
[20:18] <Letozaf_> whatever
[20:18] <elfy> :)
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, but maybe you are right that on certain things videos are good and on others text is
[20:19] <elfy> I can do that with books too :)
[20:19] <balloons> I try to do both everytime
[20:19] <phillw> Letozaf_: I prefer slide shots with the screen images, but each to their own. The use of a slide show has all but died on classroom as they do take a lot of putting together and needs new people to install and understand how to use them.
[20:19] <balloons> but the video is MUCH more indepth
[20:19] <balloons> the autopilot video for instance isn't even close
[20:19] <balloons> the wiki page covers 1% of the video
[20:19] <balloons> you simply can't cover more than that in text
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes you are right
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw so maybe each time it's better to see if video, text or slides are better
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, but I prefer those to IRC
[20:21] <balloons> yea.. I would rather it went straight to text on a wiki over IRC
[20:21] <phillw> he he, I mist look to re-do this classroom session; it is now quite dated! http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=119
[20:24] <Letozaf_> phillw, also this classroom session looks quite good
[20:24] <elfy> balloons: I'd be +1 to wiki and video as long as the detail is in the wiki as well
[20:24] <Letozaf_> elfy, sound good
[20:25] <Letozaf_> sorry sounds good
[20:25] <balloons> I think we're in more or less agreement then
[20:25] <balloons> we'll see who else responds
[20:26] <balloons> in summary, no sessions, instead produce wiki tutorials with screenshots or video (or both) :-)
[20:26] <elfy> I'm up for helping with wiki when it comes to it
[20:26] <phillw> As you know, I'm going to be more on docs, but am more than happy to update the virt-manager one and it's little friend guestfish if you want.
[20:26] <elfy> balloons: yep
[20:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah sounds good!
[20:27] <balloons> so back to what Letozaf_ said, what do we think about putting all these on the wiki somewhere>
[20:27] <balloons> just a page listing everything out or ?
[20:27] <balloons> hehe, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Tutorials
[20:27] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes that's more or less what I meant
[20:28] <balloons> the faq page fufills what's on there now.. but we can grab the wiki address and list it out with tutorials instead
[20:28] <elfy> balloons: that does the ticket - precognition ftw :)
[20:28] <balloons> well I tried the idea out last time we wanted to do this
[20:28] <balloons> but it didn't fly then
[20:28] <balloons> perhaps it's ready now
[20:28] <phillw> balloons: we managed to keep https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom/Saucy within reasonable limits of what should be on, what actually is, a fairly complicated set of subjects. I'm sure the layout can be tidied up.
[20:30] <Letozaf_> phillw, yes I like this page, a lot of links just on one page
[20:31] <Letozaf_> phillw, so you have a starting point to go back to after getting "lost" in all the other links
[20:31] <elfy> cya tomorrow everyone
[20:31] <Letozaf_> elfy, good night! :D
[20:33] <phillw> Letozaf_: I also do try to ensure that every sub page has "Go back" tab, We use the same thing in html called 'return to top' and I do think they do let people go dig and dig, always having the bread crumbs to get back to where they were.
[20:35] <phillw> Letozaf_: I do, however have to say, this is a *lot* easier to agree on at the outset than having to retro fit them! (It was a *lot* of work on what is now https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ )
[20:36] <Letozaf_> phillw, this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/FAQ  look good
[20:37] <Letozaf_> phillw, do not know if you can have something like what you have in launchpad
[20:38] <Letozaf_> phillw, on a wiki
[20:38] <Letozaf_> phillw, for instance:
[20:38] <Letozaf_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-rssreader-dev/ubuntu-rssreader-app/trunk/files/head:/tests/autopilot/
[20:39] <Letozaf_> phillw, the third line, it has the path in and if you want to go back you just click on the page you want to go back to
[20:39] <Letozaf_> phillw, even if it is not the previous on, but two or three pages back
[20:40] <Letozaf_> phillw, the ~ubuntu-rssreader-dev/ubuntu-rssreader-app/trunk : /tests/autopilot (revision 125)     lin
[20:40] <Letozaf_> sorry line
[20:41] <phillw> Letozaf_: not my knowledge on wiki. It can track sub pages using 'index'
[20:41] <phillw> I'm still getting to grips with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag having had the new tag approved. (You will see there we also do have "Back to Top")
[20:41] <Letozaf_> phillw, well mabye index could do as well
[20:42] <phillw> index looks for sub pages, I'm not sure how the search function works yet :)
[20:44] <phillw> We do now have a recent intake of docs people and the team is lot more active. I'm sure that quality / testing and the wiki / docs team will be working together as the LTS looms! One thing that was pointed out was the lack in number of people running release+1 so that the pages could be updated.
[20:45] <knome> balloons, +1 for combining qa and bug squad teams, but that's going to need quite a lot of work.
[20:45] <phillw> so, there will be testers new to docs and doc people new to testing! It will be nothing if not fun for us all :)
[20:45] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons I like this for instance :  http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/tutorial/tutorial.html
[20:46] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons but it doesn't mean that what I like is ok for others :P
[20:47] <Letozaf_> phillw, balloons here you get one page pointing to all the others, it you get "lost" you just go back to the index
[20:47] <phillw> Letozaf_: that looks very good, any idea how it was written?
[20:47] <Letozaf_> phillw, nope! sorry
[20:47] <Letozaf_> phillw, maybe balloons has
[20:48] <balloons> phillw, that's written using sphinx
[20:48] <phillw> I'll ask on the docs team, we have been discussing that manual and docs use two different systems and they will not be merged for 14.04.
[20:48] <balloons> it's generated with each new build of autopilot
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, phillw going to bed now :D
[20:49] <balloons> Letozaf_, ciao!
[20:49] <phillw> I've vaguely heard of it.... goes uses my search engine
[20:49] <Letozaf_> ciao to everyone :D
[20:49] <balloons> knome, thanks for the input
[20:49] <phillw> Letozaf_: sleep well, great to have a chat about things!
[20:49] <phillw> drat....
[20:49] <balloons> knome, I must admit I don't know of everything that will be required.. I'm going to lean on some folks who have insights on both sides
[20:50] <balloons> but it makes sense I think
[20:51] <phillw> balloons: and nor do we from the docs side. But what is really heartening is that we are discussing these matters.
[20:52] <balloons> phillw, yes there are commonalities with docs also
[20:53] <knome> balloons, i could try to organise some time to sit down and talk about it some day if you'd want
[20:53] <phillw> what you test, gets released... There's more commonalty than you may 1st think :D
[20:53] <knome> balloons, i don't know too much about bug squatting, but i have some ideas i think would be beneficial to share
[20:56] <balloons> knome, go for it.. I have a few mins now
[20:56] <balloons> if you do too :-)
[20:56] <knome> hehe, see PM
[20:56] <knome> going to sleep soonish
[20:56] <balloons> no worries.. ahh yes that sleep thing!
[20:56] <balloons> we'll talk soon enough I'm sure
[20:57] <knome> yep, i've been postponing a number of things to next week... maybe then ;)
[21:03] <knome> ok, bbl
[21:42] <elopio> alesage: pong. I'm sorry, too late?
[21:43] <alesage> elopio no worries, balloons and thomi helped :)
[21:43] <elopio> nice.