[00:01] <lechuck_> hi everyone
[00:02] <lechuck_> anyone for a question about UT and Nexus 7 Tilapia/nakasig -- 3g
[00:03] <lechuck_> I followed the official ubuntu page to install UT on my N7 ... after all the phablet-flash process all I get is the black "Google" splash.. and nothing more... any hint?
[01:04] <Ghost1227> hey all
[01:07] <Ahstanin> hi
[01:07] <Ghost1227> hey
[01:08] <Ahstanin> i just installed ubuntu touch on my nexus
[01:08] <Ahstanin> but black screen
[01:08] <Ahstanin> :'(
[01:08] <Ahstanin> any idea ?
[01:09] <Ghost1227> you got farther than i have... technically. i'm still working on porting it to my device :P
[01:09] <Ahstanin> oh
[01:10] <Ghost1227> lol
[01:10] <Ahstanin> :'(
[01:10] <Ghost1227> which nexus
[01:11] <Ahstanin> nexus 4
[01:12] <Ahstanin> i just followed "Manual Download & Installation"
[01:12] <Ahstanin> with "trusty-preinstalled-recovery-armel+mako.img"
[01:13] <Ahstanin> not "saucy-preinstalled-*"
[01:13] <Ghost1227> try saucy?
[01:14] <Ahstanin> nope
[01:14] <Ahstanin> installed trusty
[01:15] <Ghost1227> lol that was a suggestion not a question
[01:15] <pero> is a cm build existing for your device a dependency for having ubuntutouch?
[01:16] <hazenme> hello
[01:16] <Ahstanin> :-/
[01:18] <hazenme> So I successfully built for grouper so I figured I would try to get an image built for encore, but I am running into strange behavior
[01:18] <hazenme> the image I end up with for encore is missing uchroot and ubuntu_chroot in /system/bin
[01:19] <hazenme> the grouper image has them
[01:20] <hazenme> has anyone run into similar issues when porting to other devices?
[01:20] <Ghost1227> haven't gotten that far yet :(
[01:22] <dun> how to get the 3g data?
[01:46] <topoi> How many ppl in here using Ubuntu on Nexus 4?
[01:47] <topoi> Is it worth the trouble of installing it at this stage?
[02:00] <Ghost1227> topoi: honestly? it's a developer preview... it's not gonna be a daily driver for most people
[02:01] <genii> topoi: Probably be ready for productive use in next release, 14.04
[02:02] <RobbyF> I was using it as a daily driver for 3-5 days. made due but still many glitches. ie time/date would vanish.
[02:09] <Ghost1227> hopefully i finish a port by then >_<
[02:20] <andygraybeal> where do i go to buy a samsung galaxy nexus?  it's my first phone purchase ever
[02:20] <andygraybeal> are they all used on ebay?
[02:23] <iBotPeaches> swappa.com :)
[02:39] <andygraybeal> thank you iBotPeaches`
[03:23] <brycesub> i just installed trusty with fastboot and adb from a windows box on my nexus 7 but it won't boot... recovery works... any ideas?
[03:50] <crocket> hi
[03:51] <crocket> Will ubuntu tablets have an ability to switch to the desktop mode on its screen?
[04:11] <plasty> disculpen tengo un sony xperia s, creo que sus especificaciones cumplen para soportar el software de ubuntu, pero no se si solo sea posible montar este software en moviles nexus alguien me podria quitar de dudas??
[04:14] <nhaines> crocket: no one will know until there is an Ubuntu tablet.  But theoretically it's possible.
[04:14] <crocket> ok
[05:44] <Pomone> Hello, can someone help me with an issue I have?
[05:46] <Ghost1227> well then
[05:46] <AskUbuntu> How to transfer files from a windows environment to Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/364187
[05:46] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 7: Why No ld-linux.so*? | http://askubuntu.com/q/364188
[07:48] <k_royther> Does Ubuntu Touch need Android 4.2 to flash? I'm having problems flashing it in my nexus l Nexus 4
[08:17] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D
[08:36] <sil2100> mpt: hello!
[08:43] <OrokuSaki> Can someone help me, I am in a boat without a working microphone.. I need the coast guard to come pick me up... I felt this was a good channel to ask
[08:44] <OrokuSaki> hello!?
[08:44] <OrokuSaki> HELP ME!
[08:45] <OrokuSaki> Ogra? =)
[08:45] <ogra_> lol
[08:45] <OrokuSaki> =)
[09:31] <tsdgeos> zsombi: any chance you guys can have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/tabbar_external_use/+merge/192307 ?
[09:32] <tsdgeos> it'd be cool if we can get that in since it'd make much easier for me to reuse the tabbar for the Dash in the unity shell
[09:32] <zsombi> tsdgeos: let's get t1mp for that, he's with the Tabs :)
[09:33] <zsombi> t1mp: ^^
[09:34] <t1mp> hmm
[09:34] <t1mp> tsdgeos: why not directly use the 'normal" tabs?
[09:34] <tsdgeos> t1mp: what is "the normal tabs"?
[09:34] <tsdgeos> MainView + Tabs ?
[09:34] <t1mp> tsdgeos: yes
[09:34] <t1mp> ah you want no toolbar?
[09:35] <tsdgeos> because doesn't fit at all our model
[09:35] <tsdgeos> and i don't want the magic page swapping either
[09:35] <t1mp> tsdgeos: what do you need exactly that is different?
[09:35] <t1mp> tsdgeos: what is magic page swapping?
[09:35] <tsdgeos> i just want a tabs that tells me which tab is the current
[09:35] <t1mp> tsdgeos: you mean you don't want to use the tabbar to switch between tabs? only to display them?
[09:35] <tsdgeos> t1mp: each Tab has a page component that Tabs + MainView put on their viewport when the tab changes
[09:35] <tsdgeos> t1mp: exactly
[09:36] <tsdgeos> i have my own listview that will take care of the swapping
[09:36] <tsdgeos> i want a simple UI
[09:36] <tsdgeos> not a billion of things
[09:37] <tsdgeos> besides having something called MainView as layer 45 of our QML looks weird :D
[09:37] <tsdgeos> we already have that inside the Indicators code
[09:37] <tsdgeos> with something like "FIXME this is not the main view" :D
[09:37] <t1mp> tsdgeos: ah you want your own TabsStyle, but that currently needs Tabs which is internal?
[09:38] <tsdgeos> t1mp: kind of, i want a TabBar + TabBarStyle
[09:38] <tsdgeos> which uses Tabs for some stuff, it's not internal but adding Tabs adds stuff i don't want
[09:39] <tsdgeos> t1mp: basically i want something like the example of TabsBase.qml describes
[09:39] <tsdgeos> tabs with title and the signal to know it changed
[09:39] <tsdgeos> which afaics you can't get with the current code
[09:42] <t1mp> tsdgeos: ok. I'll review your MR. But we can also consider adding properties to the tabbar to control that
[09:45] <tsdgeos> t1mp: sure if you prefer me to do it in a different way, i can do it too, i just did this because it was basically a simple copy&paste of stuff around
[09:45] <tsdgeos> t1mp: so feel free to say "no, do this", and i'll do it
[09:47] <janimo`> popey, hi, is this not considered a valid OTA update? system-image-cli -c trusty -n -b 0
[09:48] <janimo`> popey, it worked for me from saucy to trusty-proposed 1 the other day
[09:48] <popey> janimo`: I'm only talking about the gui in my mail
[09:48] <popey> and I haven't tested command line upgrades, feel free to reply if you test saucy -> trusty
[09:48] <janimo`> popey, ok. Still if people are to do command line stuff, this may be more convenient than a phablet-flash if it works
[09:49] <popey> sure
[09:49] <popey> feel free to reply
[09:55] <ogra_> popey, here is another one btw ... bug 1243612
[09:56] <ogra_> janimo`, ^^^
[09:56] <janimo`> ogra_, checking
[09:57] <janimo`> ogra_, it worked from me from s to t-p
[09:57] <t1mp> tsdgeos: I'll eat first, and then have a look. I also have other MRs pending that change the tabs (behavior mainly, not APIs) that probably conflict
[09:57] <janimo`> right now with build 3 it seems to hang in 'Running group download reactor'
[09:57] <ogra_> janimo`, yeah, saw that above, didnt work forme from s-p to t-p today
[09:58] <tsdgeos> t1mp: ok
[09:58] <ogra_> (just "phablet-flash --channel trusty-proposed" did work though)
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <tsdgeos> zsombi: t1mp: any clue what happened here? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-trusty-amd64-ci/5/console i can't find the error anywhere :-S
[10:03] <zsombi> tsdgeos: seems like it died in components.api, you have changed some API in that MP?
[10:03] <tsdgeos> zsombi: i added a new item
[10:03] <tsdgeos> zsombi: how do i run that test manually?
[10:03] <tsdgeos> somehow make check is failing here locally somewhere else and doesn't get there
[10:05] <zsombi> tsdgeos: run make check on your machine, rename components.api.new into components.api, and then commit the changes to your MP :)
[10:06] <tsdgeos> zsombi: as said make check fails somewhere else unrelated so probably doesn't get to that stage
[10:06] <zsombi> tsdgeos: most likely fails on i18, then on OptionSelector and TextField :(
[10:06] <tsdgeos> hmmmm, i think this thing doesn't like out of source builds
[10:06] <tsdgeos> let me try an in source one
[10:07] <zsombi> tsdgeos: we just realized that CI does not run unit_x11 tests at all!, so there were some tests broken there, which kalikiana is fixing atm
[10:07] <tsdgeos> oh :D
[10:07] <t1mp> tsdgeos: we have some problems with some failing tests. as zombi said. kalikiana was trying to fix it but we still have weird errors.
[10:08]  * t1mp off now. bbl.
[10:08] <zsombi> t1mp: me zombi??!
[10:09] <t1mp> zsombi: yeah you were just saying to tsdgeos that we have some problems with the tests
[10:09] <t1mp> zsombi: those that kalikiana is working on
[10:10] <zsombi> t1mp: you left out an s from the nick :D
[10:10] <t1mp> ahhh :)
[10:10] <t1mp> zsombi: you should create a game for ubuntu phone: plants vs zsombis
[10:10] <tsdgeos> :D
[10:10] <popey> hah
[10:11] <zsombi> :P
[10:32] <janimo`> ogra_, so  I updated via system-image-cli but I get the Google logo and  only an android shell (as with build 2 yesterday).
[10:36] <ogra_> build2 is definitely broken
[10:37] <ogra_> (wont fifnish bringing up the container)
[10:51] <davmor2> ogra_: out of interest how will version updated be handled between the Saucy version and the Trusty version for end users?   Will trusty just become image 102 or something?
[10:54] <ogra_> davmor2, for people that use either the devel or the stable channel updates will happen automatically
[10:55] <ogra_> if you used a named channel (saucy/trusty) you wont get upgrades
[10:55] <davmor2> ogra_: ah okay that's good to know :)
[10:56] <ogra_> "devel" and "stable" are aliases that are supposed to be pointing to the last stable/devel versions all the time
[11:00] <ogra_> stgraber, which reminds me, we have a trusty image now ... (-proposed was promoted) ... so we chould probably consider pointing devel over now (if asac agrees)
[11:01] <sil2100> mpt: ping
[11:03] <Laney> ogra_: probably not if it wipes a load of your settings
[11:03] <ogra_> Laney, indeed, that needs fixing
[11:03] <ogra_> for me it didnt wipe "a load"
[11:03] <ogra_> i had to set the TZ again
[11:04] <Laney> I tried it more than once
[11:04] <ogra_> language and wallpaper (everything that does live in my home) persisted
[11:04] <Laney> right, that's what I explained
[11:04] <ogra_> its only the writable-image stuff
[11:05] <ogra_> which ... well, only is the TZ setting atm
[11:05] <Laney> no
[11:05] <asac> stgraber: ogra_: let's please hold off with moving devel-proposed over until we have cleared all infrastrucuture parts - so maybe tomorrow
[11:05] <Laney> it's accountsservice settings too
[11:05] <ogra_> i still have my U1 account working
[11:05] <ogra_> though i dont use any of the others
[11:05] <Laney> where is that stored?
[11:05] <ogra_> no idea
[11:05] <ogra_> dobey might be able to tell
[11:05] <ogra_> but i would guess in ~/
[11:06] <Laney> If it's somewhere in your home directory then that is irrelevant
[11:06] <ogra_> worse than the settings is the wiping of the click packages though
[11:06] <ogra_>  /opt/click.ubuntu.com/ is empty after upgrade
[11:06] <Laney> that'll be the same thing
[11:07] <Laney> they're in /userdata/system-data/
[11:07] <ogra_> i dont thionk so
[11:07] <Laney> yes
[11:07] <Laney> I do
[11:08] <ogra_> hmm, oh
[11:08] <ogra_> yeah, i agree, i wasnt aware it was a bind mount
[11:08] <ogra_> i thought the /opt stuff was supposed to be a link to a fixed dir ...
[11:09] <ogra_> yeah, seems we need some initramfs fixing
[11:09]  * ogra_ goes for a break
[11:45] <nik90> popey, Laney: Qt 5.2 beta finally brings  timezone support.
[11:45] <nik90> http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtimezone.html
[11:45] <nik90> http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qdatetime.html#setTimeZone
[11:46] <Laney> nik90: I don't think that updates the system timezone, does it?
[11:47] <nik90> Laney: no, but it will be useful for the world clocks
[11:47] <Laney> still, it'll be useful for you
[11:47] <nik90> Laney: I can set timezone "Europe/Amsterdam" and it should get the time there for me
[11:47] <Laney> ya
[11:48] <kenvandine> gusch, can you review https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/lp1236932/+merge/192207
[11:48] <nik90> now I just need to find the person to port qt 5.2 to 14.04
[11:49]  * popey points nik90 at Mirv ☻
[11:50] <gusch> kenvandine: ok
[11:50] <kenvandine> thx
[11:51] <Mirv> :)
[11:52] <nik90> popey: thnx
[11:53] <nik90> Mirv: Would we be using qt 5.2 (when it is released) in 14.04?
[11:53] <nik90> Mirv: considering that we are not yet using qt 5.1 (afaik)
[11:54] <Mirv> nik90: that's a good question I don't know an answer to yet. there are known problems with 5.1, so maybe if 5.2 will fix those we can skip to those. alternatively the 5.1 problems need to be fixed.
[11:54] <gusch> kenvandine: commented
[11:55] <kenvandine> oh, good point
[11:55] <kenvandine> hmmm
[11:55] <nik90> Mirv: okay, I am guessing some investigations have to be done anyway. However when the time comes, i think it would be better to use qt 5.2 if it is available soon instead of qt 5.1 which is an older release now. But I will keep a tab on this and see what happens until then.
[11:58] <Mirv> nik90: yep, it's 100% certain we need newer than 5.0.x, and most probably 5.2.x
[11:58] <Mirv> how we get there is a different story
[11:59] <Mirv> like do we first want 5.1.x since 5.2 is not yet released
[12:00] <kenvandine> gusch, how about appId instead of id?
[12:00] <nik90> Mirv: true
[12:00] <kenvandine> gusch, or maybe even just app ?
[12:00] <gusch> kenvandine: I vote for appId
[12:06] <kenvandine> gusch, pushed
[12:07] <janimo`> Mirv, is there a list of bugs against qt 5.1 that are relevant for touch?
[12:07] <janimo`> Mirv, the blockers you mentioned above
[12:08] <Mirv> janimo`: the qt5.1 tag has been used to track those https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.1 - with saucy released, hopefully they'll get some attention / debugging effort now again
[12:08] <janimo`> Mirv, thanks
[12:09] <xnox> ogra_: i'd like to rebuild android package in the trusty archive. One change that stgraber requested was to name resultant files with prefix "ubuntu-", instead of codename. E.g. files will become "ubuntu-*$device*.img" in the package, instead of current "saucy-*$device*.img".
[12:09] <gusch> kenvandine: approved
[12:09] <xnox> ogra_: what will break and what else do i need to adjust?
[12:09] <kenvandine> gusch, thx
[12:09] <kenvandine> gusch, i have another one coming in a few... i added qdoc docs for the QML bindings
[12:10] <xnox> ogra_: somehow i believe even s/saucy/trusty/ will cause things to missbehave.
[12:17] <ogra_> xnox, livecd-rootfs was fixed to not care about the name anymore
[12:18] <xnox> ogra_: excellent.
[12:18] <ogra_> i dont think anything else consumes the files
[12:18] <ogra_> xnox, but clearify with didrocks and asac please
[12:18] <xnox> ?
[12:18] <ogra_> i'm not sure if an android rebuild is wanted yet
[12:19] <xnox> ogra_: if it's not wanted, can the block be applied to keep it in -proposed?
[12:19] <ogra_> xnox, possibly ...
[12:19] <ogra_> xnox, i wantted to ask for a rebuild anyway,  lets just make sure we dont tarsh any expectations before just doing it
[12:20] <ogra_> *trash
[12:20] <xnox> ogra_: at the moment it FTBFS, so my changes are needed.
[12:20] <xnox> who are release-touch people.
[12:21] <xnox> ogra_: ! =) please block android package.
[12:21] <ogra_> xnox, lets just wait for a "go" then we dont need to bother :)
[12:21] <xnox> ogra_: where should I upload it then?
[12:21] <asac> xnox: we need to coordiante changes to file names with infrastructure etc.
[12:22] <asac> in particular we must ensure that phablet-flash and other potential tools downloading stuff dont break etc.
[12:22] <xnox> ogra_: cause we don't exactly have packaging VCS for android package.
[12:22] <xnox> asac: sure, where shall I stage the upload?
[12:22] <sergiusens> xnox, ogra_ does that name change affect cdimage at all?
[12:23] <xnox> asac: hence, i want to apply block, upload into trusty-proposed, and then test / check that all pieces work.
[12:23] <ogra_> sergiusens, it did, doesnt anymore
[12:23] <asac> xnox: what type of block?
[12:23] <asac> britney?
[12:24] <xnox> asac: migration block to trusty-release, yes britney proposed-migration block.
[12:24] <ogra_> sergiusens, we used to have a cp $DIST-foo-bar.img in livecd-rootfs ... the $DIST part is gone in trusty
[12:25] <xnox> asac: if all good, unblock. if not, continue using the current one from release. Or trump with higher version upload with fix-ups.
[12:25] <asac> xnox: how do you validate that the stuff in proposed is good?
[12:25] <asac> do you produce a one off image with that?
[12:25] <asac> (not sure if we have such a feature easily available right now)
[12:25] <xnox> ogra_: well, stgraber asked me to replace "$DIST-" with "ubuntu-"
[12:26] <ogra_> xnox, livecd-rootfs completely ignores the first part of the name afaik
[12:26] <ogra_> so use whatever you like :)
[12:27] <sergiusens> ogra_, darn, one more change in the _api_ :-)
[12:27] <asac> xnox: so ... I htink in a perfect world where you are in charge of your own stuff and for "risky changes like this", you would make your own validation/rollout story and once confident (or you run into roadblocks), you make use of our landing team standup to discuss your landing to coordinate and potentially get more help there.
[12:28] <ogra_> bah, stgraber ... could you commit your recent livecd-rootfs changes to the branch ?
[12:35] <kenvandine> gusch, and here's the other one https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/qdoc/+merge/192324
[12:35] <kenvandine> gusch, there's still a few FIXMEs for docs, but it's mostly there
[12:36] <davmor2> ogra_: nice so phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed just wipes your system regardless all data gone :(
[12:37] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^
[12:38] <sergiusens> davmor2, did you see any logs about backing up at all?
[12:39] <ogra_> sergiusens, i suspect its a system-image thing ...
[12:39] <davmor2> sergiusens: nope but I didn't bother looking too busy with other stuff
[12:39] <ogra_> move thgan a phablet-flash one
[12:39] <ogra_> davmor2, let me guess, your home wasnt touched
[12:40] <ogra_> *more than
[12:40] <davmor2> ogra_: so my music seems to still be in place
[12:40] <ogra_> right
[12:41] <davmor2> ogra_: and my wallpaper image
[12:41] <popey> ERROR:phablet-flash:Command 'adb push /tmp/tmp13k35E /tmp/backup.tar.gz' returned non-zero exit status 1
[12:41] <ogra_> i suspect the system-image initrd bits just wipe the writable system space
[12:41] <popey> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288827/
[12:41] <davmor2> lunch back in a bit
[12:43] <sergiusens> popey, hmmm, protocol failure
[12:44] <xnox> ogra_: asac: didrocks: please block any uploads of platform-api / libhybris, until we sort out the filename rename in the android package. At the moment file-name change is the only pending change in the android package, but if platform-api/libhybris are upload, an android rebuild will pick them up. So please block those two, until filename change is sorted out.
[12:44] <didrocks> I tihnk ogra_ has access to do that :)
[12:44] <didrocks> thanks for warning xnox :)
[12:44] <xnox> as, i'd like to land android filename change, without any other changes within android, as to minimise and regressions.
[12:45] <ogra_> cp chroot/usr/share/android/product/*-preinstalled-system-armel+${subarch}.img\
[12:45] <ogra_>  			 "${PREFIX}.system-armel+${subarch}.img"
[12:45] <ogra_> xnox, ^^^^
[12:45] <ogra_> from livecd-rootfs
[12:45] <xnox> ogra_: good.
[12:45] <ogra_> xnox, so dont worry about renaming ... it wont change a thing
[12:45] <ogra_> didrocks, i might have access but no clue how to do it :P
[12:45] <didrocks> ogra_: hinting? you didn't do it at all?
[12:46]  * ogra_ knows how to unblock ... 
[12:46] <xnox> ogra_: didrocks: can you please do a britney block: platform-api, libhybris, android ?
[12:46] <didrocks> ogra_: well, same, but s/unblock/block ;)
[12:46] <ogra_> is it the same just with "blobk" ?
[12:46] <didrocks> (without version)
[12:46] <ogra_> ah
[12:49] <ogra_> xnox, so i added a line "blobk android" to my hints file ... upload and lets see
[12:49] <ogra_> *block indeed
[12:51] <asac> xnox: didrocks: i think i haven't heard an answer to my question about how we are going to validate it once its in proposed. however, since didrocks seems aligned, i trust that he knows how we ensure that utah doesnt get bricked :)
[12:52] <asac> (rename of filename that is)
[12:54] <didrocks> asac: my hope is that we can dist-upgrade to validate the changes once all pieces are there and run UTAH manually localy (seems the most reachable way to achieve it with your technology)
[12:54] <asac> didrocks: this is changing the download file name etc.
[12:54] <asac> didrocks: i would expect this has potential to kill utah
[12:54] <asac> so yeah
[12:54] <ogra_> asac, thats a non issue
[12:54] <asac> if thats an agreed way to test
[12:54] <asac> then its ok
[12:54] <ogra_> ignore it
[12:54] <asac> why would i ignore it?
[12:54] <ogra_> the filenames only matter in cdimage
[12:55] <ogra_> where the renaming has already been taken care of
[12:55] <asac> ok those dont get passed through to system-image?
[12:55] <asac> kk
[12:55] <ogra_> yeah
[12:55] <asac> and system-image productionm has been validated to produce good images?
[12:55] <ogra_> system-image only pulls the output from cdimage
[12:55] <asac> how can i actually produce such an image locally and try installing it from there?
[12:55] <ogra_> the naming issue is about the cdimage *input*
[12:55] <ogra_> (which we had to fix before rolling the first trusty image)
[12:56] <asac> why did we need to do that in the beginning and not at a later time? from what i understand it doesnt change our system-images :)
[12:57] <ogra_> asac, cp chroot/usr/share/android/product/$DIST-preinstalled-system-armel+${subarch}.img  "${PREFIX}.system-armel+${subarch}.img"
[12:57] <ogra_> that was the old cdimage code
[12:57] <ogra_> the android package uses saucy-perinstalled... while the DIST we build is trusty
[12:58] <ogra_> so the code was changed to cp chroot/usr/share/android/product/*-preinstalled-system-armel+${subarch}.img ....
[12:58] <ogra_> which eams whatever xnox now uses for the first bit of the name will be ignored
[12:58] <ogra_> *means
[13:06] <SquirrelCZECH> guys
[13:07] <SquirrelCZECH> are there any "cheap" tablets that supports ubuntu-touch?
[13:07]  * SquirrelCZECH thinks that nexus 7 is cheap, but still...
[13:10] <kslu> ola
[13:19] <factor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_YpBh5SvI#t=716
[13:19] <factor>  Design Clinic Live
[13:20] <factor> Ubuntu on air
[13:29] <factor> Over now
[14:12] <danielbeck> Hi. I uploaded a new version of RamSamSam Reader, because the last one did not work (I believe the problem was that the launch icon was missing). Could someone try to start it on its smartphone?
[14:12] <danielbeck> That would be nice, since I don't have a Ubuntu Touch device.
[14:13] <davmor2> ogra_, sergiusens: so guys did we get to the bottom of the data disappearance?  also should apps of remained?
[14:14] <ogra_> davmor2, i'm pretty sure it is a stgraber thing ... the rw stuff gets re-initialized and ro bits get copied in place or so
[14:14] <davmor2> ogra_, sergiusens: and finally all the data is on the system but not being used if I add it again I'm going to run out of space is it best to just wipe it completely and start again from scratch?
[14:15] <davmor2> stgraber: ^ all of the points above :)
[14:16] <ogra_> danielbeck, it starts now ... but the toolbar is a bit small for my fat fingers ... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/rss.png
[14:17] <danielbeck> ogra_: what device do you have?
[14:17] <ogra_> (it is like 3mm on the screen only)
[14:17] <ogra_> danielbeck, this is on mako (n4)
[14:19] <davmor2> ogra_: take a screenshot being as you can :D
[14:19] <ogra_> davmor2, ?
[14:19] <ogra_> i did, see above
[14:20] <danielbeck> ogra_: The size of the toolbar is set by Ubuntu HTML5 theme to 74px. (Bad!)
[14:20] <davmor2> ogra_: oh ah, I only saw you comments on the size
[14:20] <ogra_> heh
[14:21] <danielbeck> The n4 has a high resolution, so the result is very tiny.
[14:21] <ogra_> well, not for any other apps
[14:22] <ogra_> danielbeck, see http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/rss2.png
[14:22] <danielbeck> ogra_: yes, because they use QML. I don't use it.
[14:22] <ogra_> thats how it appears in all other apps
[14:22] <ogra_> ah
[14:23] <stgraber> davmor2: not sure I understand your problem. Can you try to explain it in more details?
[14:23] <danielbeck> Ubuntu HTML5 scales very badly accross devices. The size of Ubuntu HTML5 should be set in em instead of pixels. I will make a bug report.
[14:24] <ogra_> stgraber, bug 1243577 and  bug 1243573
[14:24] <ogra_> likely the same root cause
[14:24] <ogra_> stgraber, and there is also bug 1243612 (unrelated to the two above though)
[14:25] <davmor2> stgraber: I have a maguro, it was setup with music, contacts, apps etc I ran phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel-proposed now I see the music through mtp but the phone doesn't and all the apps are gone and I have no contacts
[14:27] <stgraber> ogra_: bug 1243612 seems wrong... you can do -b 0 -c trusty-proposed and that should work as expected, though that's more of a barry question
[14:27] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah
[14:27] <ogra_> stgraber, and not a critical one
[14:28] <ogra_> stgraber, the two others are though
[14:28] <stgraber> davmor2: can you pastebin a "find /userdata" and "cat /proc/mounts"?
[14:28] <ogra_> i suspect it just re-initializes where it shouldnt
[14:28] <stgraber> I suspect they are actually a single bug, but I can't quite figure out what exactly since it worked fine here
[14:29] <barry> stgraber, ogra_ correct.  -c does not imply -b
[14:29] <ogra_> barry, well, if i select a new channel i would expect it to use the latest version from there
[14:30] <davmor2> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289321/
[14:31] <barry> ogra_: it should still calculate an upgrade path from whatever your current build number is to the highest build number on that channel.  the problem is that if the channel's build number is lower than the device's, you won't have an upgrade path, so forcing the device's build number to 0 solves that
[14:31] <ogra_> barry, thats not very intuitive imho
[14:31] <ogra_> me picking -c means i already did some override action
[14:31] <barry> ogra_: you can always figure it out with --info and --dry-run
[14:32] <stgraber> ogra_: so based on that paste, nothing got removed...
[14:32] <ogra_> stgraber, well, /opt is definitely empty
[14:32] <ogra_> at least it was in my case
[14:32] <barry> ogra_: i can understand that, but this gives maximum flexibility, since if -c implied -b 0, you couldn't switch channels and take a normal upgrade path
[14:32] <ogra_> (i sadly have manually installed all the apps i use already, it was my dogfooding phone)
[14:33] <stgraber> hmm, yes, /opt/click.ubuntu.com appears to be empty, not sure what caused that though
[14:33] <ogra_> stgraber, and my timezone was set to UTC+0
[14:33] <ogra_> whihc implies the TZ config was overwritten with the ro file
[14:33] <stgraber> the upgrader is an all or nothing kind of thing, either it wipes your data (by formatting the partition) or it doesn't, if you still have a single file from your previous setup in /userdata, it's not something caused by system-image
[14:34] <barry> ogra_: if you can suggest manpage improvements to make it clearer, happy to make that change
[14:34] <ogra_> stgraber, right, the upgrade ... i'm referring to first boto stuff :)
[14:34] <ogra_> *boot
[14:34] <ogra_> my suspicion is that parts have been re-initialized
[14:34] <ogra_> barry, we dont ship man
[14:35] <ogra_> barry, so adding some info the the help command would be needed
[14:35] <barry> ogra_: or even --help
[14:35] <davmor2> stgraber: http://ubuntuone.com/5Sn2hA3by3Wf0Qek7S2QHP and http://ubuntuone.com/03FTUzUaeZG5dkEzgn4wL0 and http://ubuntuone.com/4whqzfYCnQu4xiEhdkFHDI  the cities were setup, there is music but it doesn't show, and the last is contact which was full
[14:35] <stgraber> ogra_: we don't have any click-specific logic in the initrd or in boot-hooks that I know of so I don't see how only /opt/click.u.c would end up empty
[14:35] <ogra_> stgraber, right, that was rather the TZ issue i was referring to ...
[14:36] <ogra_> (though i still think they are secretly related somehow)
[14:36] <stgraber> davmor2: if you look at /home/phablet/Music on the filesystem, you see your files there though, right?
[14:38] <davmor2> stgraber: I do indeed http://ubuntuone.com/6LVxQanYxzFvWgtpkaRM8t and http://ubuntuone.com/41LbH6JfvGfaUAjj6XJFCq as an example
[14:39] <stgraber> davmor2: can you check that the file permissions look reasonable (file belong to phablet:phablet and are at least 600)?
[14:45] <davmor2> stgraber: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289376/ that should tie into the screenshot of mp3s nicely :)
[14:48] <davmor2> stgraber: and this is what I get searching on the music scope  http://ubuntuone.com/5A5G4yHVDygTUirNY7Irev  note no local music straight to online
[14:48] <cwayne_> kenvandine, ping, is there any timetable for account-plugins as clicks?  I'm very interested in this, and would love to volunteer to help any way I can :)
[14:51] <sil2100> mpt: hi! Could I poke you for some design advice?
[14:51] <sil2100> mpt: maybe not 'advice', more like clarifying something
[14:52] <kenvandine> mardy, ^^  any ETA on account plugins as click packages?
[14:54] <melvster> oh noes ..  http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57608752-94/lg-launches-firefox-phone-in-brazil/
[14:57] <kenvandine> mhall119, I've created content-hub docs for the QML bindings, merged in trunk now
[14:57] <kenvandine> mhall119, what do we need to do to get it on d.u.c?
[14:58] <ogra_> davmor2, you can use subdirs ? that nevber worked for me
[14:59] <davmor2> ogra_: worked fine for me on raring, I just copied me .ubuntuone purchases over as was to test how they would appear on the phone :)
[14:59] <davmor2> saucy not raring
[15:00] <ogra_> well, when i copy files via mtp i have to put them into the top level, else they dont show up in the lens
[15:01] <mhall119> kenvandine: I need to know where and how to get the qdoc html output
[15:01] <barry> ogra_:   -c CHANNEL, --channel CHANNEL
[15:01] <barry>                         Override the channel just this once. Use in
[15:01] <barry>                         combination with --build to switch channels.
[15:01] <barry>  
[15:01] <ogra_> barry, perfect !
[15:02] <barry> ogra_: or even perfecter...
[15:02] <barry>   -c CHANNEL, --channel CHANNEL
[15:02] <barry>                         Override the channel just this once. Use in
[15:02] <barry>                         combination with `--build 0` to switch channels.
[15:02] <barry>  
[15:02] <ogra_> yeah
[15:02] <barry> :)
[15:02] <mofan> I have a problem when using the nexus 7 installer
[15:02] <ogra_> :)
[15:02] <barry> cool
[15:02]  * ogra_ hugs barry 
[15:02] <barry> :)
[15:02] <kenvandine> mhall119, do you need to get it from a built package? or can you get it from a build of a source checkout?
[15:03] <ogra_> mofan, you mean phablet-flash ?
[15:04] <mofan> is the installer from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation not supperted anymore ?
[15:04] <ogra_> no, not since over a year
[15:04] <mofan> ok
[15:05] <mofan> whats the tool to use now
[15:05] <mofan> ?
[15:05] <ogra_> you can most likely still install the imgs via fastboot if you eagerly want a broken desktop install on the n7 :)
[15:05] <ogra_> mofan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[15:05] <mhall119> kenvandine: I can build it from source, that's what I've been doing
[15:06] <kenvandine> ok
[15:06] <mhall119> kenvandine: none of it's automated yet, so I do it all by hand
[15:06] <kenvandine> mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..; make
[15:06] <kenvandine> mhall119, then they will be in doc/qml/html
[15:07] <mhall119> kenvandine: what's the branch?
[15:07] <kenvandine> lp:content-hub
[15:08] <mhall119> thanks
[15:08] <mofan> thanks :)
[15:16] <mfisch> oSoMoN: did the browser bookmarks schema change recently?
[15:16] <oSoMoN> mfisch, nope
[15:16] <mfisch> oSoMoN: thanks. we have a failing test now, trying to figure the cause
[15:16] <oSoMoN> mfisch, let me know if I can help
[15:17] <mfisch> oSoMoN: its something odd in the test runner, we cannot repro locally, so I think we'll talk to andy
[15:39] <Valou> Hi! I have a question
[15:40] <Valou> Ubuntu Touch will ported in HTC HD2? (sorry if my english is bad)
[15:40] <pmcgowan> !devices | Valou
[15:41] <Valou> owkay, thanks!
[15:42] <Valou> Not my device :( . Be bye!
[15:44] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Touch on Archos tablet? | http://askubuntu.com/q/364472
[15:53] <stgraber> ogra_, davmor2: so I'll need to play with this and see if I can reproduce the issue on trusty here... it's not obvious exactly what happened
[15:53] <stgraber> I got a few other things to do first though
[15:54] <davmor2> stgraber: I'm wondering if it is caused by going from saucy to trusty, rather than a saucy to saucy build
[15:54] <stgraber> shouldn't be
[15:55] <stgraber> there's no release to release upgrade hooks of any sort
[15:55] <ogra_> stgraber, well, looking at sergiusens answer on the  ML it might be phablet-flash
[15:56] <stgraber> the only difference between a standard saucy to saucy update and saucy to trusty is that a full update is forced which means the system partition is reformatted, but nothing else is touched (as the find you pasted seems to prove)
[15:56] <stgraber> ogra_: ah, that could be. I only did on-device upgrades here, never used phablet-flash for that.
[15:56] <sergiusens> stgraber, it's not the upgrader
[15:57] <ogra_> stgraber, right, i struggled with system-image-cli which made me switch to phablet-flash, expecting the same functionality
[16:01] <sergiusens> stgraber, phablet-flash didn't keep up with the times; it original purpose was from august to move from cdimage builds to yours
[16:07] <mardy> kenvandine, cwayne: I'm not working on that yet, I'm finishing one big task and I'll then get started on that
[16:09] <jal_> have looked around w/o much luck .. wondering if possible to put Touch on an Archos 97?
[16:36] <cwayne> mardy: sure,just wanted to volunteer :)
[16:38] <mardy> cwayne: thanks, I'll see if I can find a way to split the work -- or it would be great if you contribute by reviewing the code (as OA currently consists only of me :-) )
[16:38] <cwayne> mardy: i'm certainly willing to review what I can, and do some testing as well
[17:40] <AskUbuntu> Using a Mobile with Ubuntu as a notebook replacement (like in CES 2013) | http://askubuntu.com/q/364533
[17:42] <davmor2> ogra_: http://ubuntuone.com/6dtPH1k0rY3HVKhfun78Vy see it found my subdirred music :) (I did a --no-backup I need my data without duplication :) )
[18:44]  * SonikkuAmerica is thinking about building for the 2013 Nexus 5
[18:44]  * SonikkuAmerica is thinking about building for the 2013 Nexus *7
[18:57] <capncybo> Who do I report an error to regarding the serviceproviders.xml file???
[18:58] <AskUbuntu> ubuntu touch on non-brand name tablet? | http://askubuntu.com/q/364582
[19:00] <capncybo> It's for the Nexus 4 phone but Windmoble is the Canadian Carrier is that still the correct location?
[19:00] <sergiusens> capncybo, against mobile-broadband-provider-info
[19:00] <capncybo> Yes
[19:02] <capncybo> Well if wind supplied the info... all I can say is it didn't work until I modded it slightly
[19:05] <capncybo> <apn value="broadband.windmobile.ca"> seemed to cause problems, everywhere else on the internet its shown as <apn value="internet.windmobile.ca">, but that apn entry lacked <network-id mcc="302" mnc="490"/>
[19:06] <SonikkuAmerica> AskUbuntu: More likely or not it depends on whether or not your device supports armhf
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> What do I need other than the armhf preinstalled image and a custom recovery to install Ubuntu Touch on an unlisted device?
[19:07] <SonikkuAmerica> +that supports ARMHF
[19:09] <SonikkuAmerica> What do I need other than the armhf preinstalled image and a custom recovery to install Ubuntu Touch on an unlisted device that supports ARMHF?
[19:11] <slangasek> SonikkuAmerica: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[19:11] <SonikkuAmerica> slangasek: OK, so I need to re-read that then... the image won't work by itself, I take it.
[19:14] <slangasek> SonikkuAmerica: you need to provide your own kernel and related bits for the "system" image on the device; the image we provide is device-independent, but that means you need to provide the device-dependent bits
[19:15] <slangasek> which is more than just the custom recovery
[19:16] <SonikkuAmerica> slangasek: OK, that helps clarify. I mean, I understand about getting the blobs and such, and I can see that's easily done from running CM on the device and whatnot
[20:16] <SonikkuAmerica> I can't seem to complete the [ phablet-dev-bootstrap ] ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/6291106/ <<< Did I do something wrong with my gpg key?
[20:16] <crowell> SonikkuAmerica: ubuntu's "repo" binary is fucked
[20:17] <SonikkuAmerica> !language | crowell, thanks for using strong language to clarify that
[20:19] <SonikkuAmerica> At any rate, looks like I'm gonna have to get the source from the AOSP mirror
[20:33] <gisom> hows the terminal app coming? Any support for desktop capabilities from the tablet?
[20:40] <kgunn> ricmm: you +1'd...but could you actually approve https://code.launchpad.net/~kgunn72/platform-api/bump-mir-dep16/+merge/191552
[20:46] <SonikkuAmerica> crowell: Figured a way to work around it for now
[20:49] <SonikkuAmerica> crowell: I ran [ repo init ] with the --no-repo-verify command
[20:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Told me to update, patched the update, generated SSH and GPG keys and retried.
[20:52] <crowell> ah, I just got the repo straight from google
[20:52] <SonikkuAmerica> crowell: I see no reason why that shouldn't work; it would even be better if we had 4.3-based stuff for the next UTouch image anyway
[21:08] <yamc> How do I update my mako to the latest release?
[21:09] <yamc> I already have the stable release from last week, but the update only tries to dowload the version from 17. okt.
[21:10] <yamc> I want the build from today
[21:10] <yamc> Hi?
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> yamc: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> yamc: If you want to build it yourself... check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices first
[21:16] <yamc> I use phablet-flash and mako (N4). I just want to type one command  line and wait for it to update :)
[21:17] <SonikkuAmerica> yamc: [ phablet-flash ubuntu-system ]?
[21:18] <yamc> Does not work for trusty. I added --channel trusty
[21:19] <yamc> Currently downloading ... but if this works, someone should mention it @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> yamc: There may not be a channel for it yet... 14.04 LTS is in extreme alpha. You will have to build that yourself, and expect breakage.
[21:20] <SonikkuAmerica> !14.04
[21:21] <yamc> Are there updates delivered for saucy?
[21:21] <SonikkuAmerica> yamc: Yes, there are, they're OTA
[21:26] <yamc> Trusty is quite a 1:1 copy of saucy in the early days, isn't it?
[21:28] <yamc> SonikkuAmerica, btw: the "--channel trusty" thingy worked...
[21:29] <SonikkuAmerica> OK...
[21:36] <janimo`> ogra_, rsalveti since when is ubuntuappmanager disabled in init.rc ? Is it no longer needed in the images?
[21:37] <rsalveti> janimo`: since we migrated to mir
[21:37] <rsalveti> it's only needed with SF
[21:37] <janimo`> rsalveti, nice thanks.
[21:37] <janimo`> rsalveti, do you know if there are ARM specific assumptions in platform-api or hybris?
[21:38] <janimo`> rsalveti, what to look out for when trying a non-ARM (x86) build
[21:38] <rsalveti> janimo`: just in hybris I believe
[21:38] <rsalveti> janimo`: but it should in theory work with x86
[21:38] <rsalveti> basically, the android linker
[21:39] <rsalveti> but I know android is supported by intel, not sure if everything is available in aosp yet
[21:39] <janimo`> rsalveti, thanks
[21:41] <ChickenCutlass> rsalveti: hybris on x86 is going to be interesting
[21:41] <ChickenCutlass> the linker and TLS
[21:41] <rsalveti> ChickenCutlass: yeah
[21:55] <Elleo> what's the correct way to start an application from the terminal? just executing it normally results in "QUbuntu: Could not create application instance"
[22:07] <cceledon> hola soy nuevo
[22:07] <cceledon> alguien me puedes ayudar
[22:07] <cceledon> que hable spañol
[22:08] <RobbyF> yo no hablo
[22:09] <fluxspir> eu também não o falo
[22:16] <w-flo> Elleo, there's upstart-app-launch .. Not sure about the syntax right now, you better google it
[22:22] <slangasek> cceledon: si tienes una pregunta, pónnoslo :)
[22:35] <Elleo> upstart-app-list only shows the terminal app and attempting to put together the right id manually doesn't seem to work (presumably because it only thinks the terminal's id is valid)
[22:38] <Elleo> although upstart-app-launch doesn't really seem to do what I'm after anyway
[22:38] <Elleo> I'd really like to be able to see stdout/stderr and ideally run gdb
[22:59] <szymon_w> hi! I downloaded trusty build from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ and I pushed it to device... I booted in to recovery mode and I installed .zip files ( trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip and trusty-preinstalled-touch-armel+mako.zip ) after installation is complied it boot in to ubuntu but its still 13.10 and when I run apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade there is like
[22:59] <szymon_w> 140MB of packages to download and after all its still 13.10 ( I always do manual installation as it lets me go back to android much easier ) how can I flash my device with 14.04 ?
[23:11] <D4113R> Greetings everyone! I come seeking the answer to a simple question :3
[23:12] <D4113R> I'm considering putting Ubuntu on my Mako, but I'm worried that there's gonna be something crucial not-working
[23:12] <D4113R> Does any of you know of any thing currently not working on the build with the mako?
[23:24] <achiang> what's the workaround for the "screen blinks a lot" bug? seeing it on this Nexus 7
[23:25] <K_Royther> Clock app doesn't open anymore. How to fix this? I was thinking of reinstalling it, but I don't know how
[23:28] <K_Royther> Insert tumbleweed here
[23:30] <a_muva> how to search for contacts?
[23:31] <K_Royther> So many people, so few answers.
[23:32] <slangasek> achiang: screen eyedrops?
[23:32]  * achiang lobs a trout at slangasek 
[23:32] <slangasek> (haven't heard of this bug, sorry :)
[23:32] <achiang> slangasek: i'll go dig it out of didrock's landing notes
[23:34] <achiang> slangasek: mmm... can't find it, but i know i saw it mentioned somewhere
[23:39] <K_Royther> Does anybody know how to reinstall the clock app? It is just a blank screen after the first time I ran it.
[23:45] <a_muva> K_Royther: try sudo apt-get install indicator-datetime
[23:50] <K_Royther> But isn't the indicator datetime the desktop clock?