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ali1234i need something like the RES thing where you can add notes to people, for G+00:48
ali1234i have loads of followers and no idea who they are00:48
ali1234what do you do when you want to + mention someone, but that person has a really common name and the auto complete doesn't show them?01:12
jumfernandez_sorry i need help01:31
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Myrttimorning06:10
jussipopey: not yet, expect it later this week (takes a few weks for dx stuff to get here)06:15
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TheOpenSourcererThink I've just found a new mod for my kids to play on Minecraft: http://qcraft.org/07:39
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BigRedSI'm surprised people still play Minecraft. Maybe I need to check out all these mods08:12
SuperMattapparently the mods make it08:13
Myrttiooh08:14
MyrttiI finally have a laptop powerful enough to bother with minecraft08:14
Myrttiagain08:14
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D08:16
diploMorning all08:20
diplourrr why isn't our site working I get from a colleague this morning ( umm maybe because you've let the domain expire!!!! )08:21
diplobah!08:21
mungbean_started a large rsyn last night on my laptop08:22
SuperMattdiplo: d'oh¬!08:23
mungbean_came in this morning to discover i was in / dir instead of /home and it filled up within couple mins of me leaving the office08:23
SuperMattalso, don't most providers automatically renew?08:23
SuperMattI guess if you forget to update payment methods, that'd screw you over08:23
diploSuperMatt: My question as well, they have our CC details...08:25
diploThis company is useless though!08:26
SuperMattmost companies usually are :P08:26
diploAnd the guy who organises our domain sets all emails to go to him rather than our generic one that delivers to 3 of us08:26
mungbean_there's your SPOF08:26
SuperMattslap 'em08:27
mungbean_with a kipper08:28
mungbean_i don't understand why every chrome tab needs 50-100MB minimum08:29
popeypip pip08:30
BigRedSGood Morning!08:30
SuperMattmungbean_: turn off javascript and see if that changes :D08:30
popeyooh https://plus.google.com/u/0/118270628723674020025/posts/MDcrEms1xHE08:30
BigRedSoooh08:31
mungbean_wow, a MS surface, they do exist08:31
BigRedSyeah, that's the one they sold08:31
BigRedSI'm at least as surprised to find someone owning a surface as I am to find that it's running Ubuntu08:32
SuperMattdang08:32
SuperMattI have been interested in a surface as devide to chuck ubuntu on08:32
SuperMattbut then I remembered I couldn't be bothered08:32
BigRedSI was briefly tempted by a surface08:33
BigRedSbut now all I want is a retina/pixel display on a small laptop08:33
SuperMattsure08:33
SuperMattI would like that too08:33
SuperMattmight be worth seeing if I can get hold of a second hand macbook08:34
BigRedSOh yeah, someone was saying something about new ones being imminent08:34
dwatkinsmornin08:37
BigRedSGoood morning!08:38
SuperMattmoanin'08:38
BigRedSAha, I've just succesfully configured my mailserver such that Thunderbird can correctly guess the config :)08:38
mungbean_couldn't fit on my bus today because there were 4 community support officers riding on it08:38
BigRedSDo you work at QMUL?08:39
mungbean_check my whois08:39
mungbean_you wanna job?08:40
BigRedSah!08:40
mungbean_i'm hiring08:40
mungbean_work in OSS08:40
BigRedSnah, I just remember the 25 always being full08:40
mungbean_lol08:40
BigRedSI went to QM, er, for a bit :)08:40
mungbean_at least the tramps don't ride it anymore08:40
mungbean_they used to live on the 25 when it was a bendy bus08:40
mungbean_i mean live on it08:40
BigRedSyeah, that's when I was there08:41
BigRedSis it not bendy any more?08:41
mungbean_nope08:41
mungbean_bendy buses got banned by boris08:41
BigRedSoh yeah08:41
BigRedSI thought I hadn't seen any for a while; now you mention it I remember hearing about that08:41
mungbean_its so hard to hire people nowadays08:41
BigRedS(I moved out of London for a while)08:42
mungbean_nobody wants a job08:42
BigRedSwhat is it you're hiring for? I'm pretty happy where I am, but I know a few people who might be up for new things08:42
mungbean_i got told off in centos for mentioning it :(08:42
diploI'd love a job mungbean_ just a bit to far :/08:42
mungbean_i'll see if the ad is up08:43
diploI'm honestly going to have to look around at moving and seeing my kids slightly less I think08:43
SuperMattI'd be interested in a new jon08:45
SuperMattjob08:45
mungbean_BigRedS: basically a sysadminny type role but less on hardware infrastructure and more on OS and apps, and HPC. heavily linux/OSS08:45
SuperMattman, I can't spell08:45
mungbean_job ad is going up today i think08:45
SuperMatthttp://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=295551739& <- this is the kind of stuff I do08:46
mungbean_You and this LinkedIn user don’t know anyone in common08:46
SuperMattyet I *still* get job ads for windows08:46
SuperMattyou can't see my skills?08:46
SuperMattlet me open it up a bit08:46
mungbean_nope08:46
SuperMattuhm08:47
mungbean_pastebin it ?08:47
SuperMattmy public profile is set to visible to everyone08:47
SuperMatthttp://uk.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-ames/82/b90/a7708:47
SuperMatttry that08:47
BigRedSmungbean_: ah, fair enough, I'll ask about08:47
BigRedSSuperMatt: RHCE? pervert08:48
mungbean_looks up our street08:48
SuperMattRHCSA08:48
SuperMattI was convinced to do it at my last job08:48
SuperMattthere were two more seasoned pros who also did it08:48
mungbean_RHCE (and variants are worthwhile)08:48
SuperMattI was the only one to pass ;)08:48
mungbean_you must pass first time08:48
mungbean_cos the second time is...well, you know the questions08:49
BigRedSer. "08:49
SuperMattsure08:49
mungbean_are you looking?08:49
SuperMattI kinda am if the location and money are worth it08:49
BigRedSLinkedIn Today recommends this news for you: "What I learned when I got fired (again)"08:49
BigRedSdo they know something I don't?08:49
mungbean_they read your mail08:54
mungbean_tbh i'm surprised we all agree to linked08:54
mungbean_in08:54
SuperMattI haven't given linked in access to my email08:57
SuperMattI refuse08:57
mungbean_me too, but i'm suspicious anyway09:00
mungbean_i have a fake account that seems to know about my real account. could be IP based but meh09:00
BigRedSYeah, I've long held them up as the pinnacle of shifty09:00
BigRedSbut by that point I was already signed up and had told them all about me09:01
mungbean_lol09:01
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:11
BigRedSmorning!09:13
brobostigonmorning BigRedS09:13
BigRedSmorning! How's things?09:16
brobostigonmy eczema is playing up, otherwise fine. and you BigRedS ?09:17
BigRedSNot bad; I've just been explaining Unity behaviour as "no, that *is* how it's supposed to work"09:21
dwatkinssome friends of mine moved from Leicester to Norwich, and their daughter's eczema cleared-up, I wonder if there's something in the water that she's allergic to.09:22
brobostigonBigRedS: :)09:25
BigRedSit's one _really_ minor thing that basically makes it unworkable to all our admin people apparently09:30
BigRedSI've filed a bug, but now they know they didn't break it they want me to fix it...09:31
BigRedS(bug 1243240 in case it affects you as well :) )09:31
lubotu3bug 1243240 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "It is unclear what sort of unread message is being indicated" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124324009:31
BigRedSOh, the Thunderbird icon has the number of unread messages in its launcher icon thingy09:33
BigRedSbut pidgin doesn't. Is there a more Ubuntu-approved IM client that does?09:33
diploEmpathy ?09:34
diploThat's the default isn't it09:34
BigRedSis it?09:34
BigRedSah, well it's installed and I didn't install it :)09:34
diployeah it seems from 9.10 empathy has been default09:35
BigRedSAh right, empathy has the numbers09:38
mungbean_software centre makes my fan spin up immediately09:38
BigRedSso instead of the indicator in the top bar we can use whatever the thing down the side is called, if I get everyone to use empahty09:38
BigRedSargh. But I can't then hide the top bar, and Im sure it used to be trivial to shrink the side one09:39
mungbean_pidgin ftw09:39
BigRedSyeah, except pidgin doesn't work with the Unity way of knowing if you've got IMs09:40
diploBigRedS: you can get the sidebar to autohide in settings somewhere09:40
BigRedSdiplo: yeah, but I want it visible so that I can use it instead of relying on the envelope on the top bar09:40
diploMight be under display, I can find if you like .?09:40
diploMake the icons smaller so it doesn't take up as much space ?09:40
BigRedSahh, that tack sounds familiar09:40
BigRedSoh, that's on the 'look' tab09:41
mungbean_i can't believe that debconf window is still a bug09:41
diploAppearance09:41
mungbean_i get it on most of my machines09:41
diploMines down to 32, I'd prefer smaller still tbh09:41
mungbean_bug 73507009:41
lubotu3bug 912708 in software-center (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #735070 Software Center displays blank and frozen Debconf dialogs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91270809:41
BigRedSdiplo: yeah, and to be able to have the top bar autohiding, too09:42
BigRedSright, but Empathy can't show me incoming messages apparently09:48
davmor2Morning all09:59
BigRedSmorning!10:06
brobostigonlol, the PM was told of by the speaker, for calling the labour leader a conman.11:19
DJonesDon't see how that can be worth a telling off, they're all politicans, are there any you wouldn't describe as that :)11:26
andrewebdevDoes the "domain" in this guide refer to the domain without www.  subdomain, or with? http://docs.webfaction.com/user-guide/websites.html#generating-a-certificate-signing-request11:27
BigRedSandrewebdev: it'll be the domain for which you want the cert11:42
BigRedSwhether that's www, the domain itself or some other subdomain is largely up to you11:42
BigRedSbut a standard sSL cert will only work with one of them11:42
andrewebdevthx BigRedS11:51
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mungbean_anyone fixed their energy prices lately?12:00
mungbean_i'm a mathematician and its all a bit much to take in12:00
dwatkinsthat's scary12:00
mungbean_you have to consider whether you will switch provider after the fix runs out12:04
mungbean_and the hassle of doing so is rather high12:04
gordonjcpwhat we need is a price comparison site comparison site12:07
mgdmI was once going to register comparetheconfusedmeerkat.com for that purpose12:07
mungbean_you mean gocomparetheconfusedmeerkat.com12:10
mungbean_the problem is that energy comapnies are terrible at switching you over12:10
mungbean_and cock up DD and energy reading etc12:10
LaneyI didn't find the switching problematic when I last did it12:11
mungbean_shill!12:12
mungbean_i just bought a choc orange for £1 \o/12:12
Laneyquestion atm is whether to leave the current fix now before everything goes up, or look for new fixes when it ends in april12:12
mungbean_stuff is going up now12:13
mungbean_edf are fixing one till 201512:13
Laneyyes12:13
mungbean_npower are fixing for 4 yrs12:13
Laneybut it's way more than i pay now12:13
mungbean_Laney: who u with?12:14
Laneyso do I keep on the cheap one for now?12:14
mungbean_edf turn out £50 cheaper than eon12:14
Laneyor take the hit now and risk paying a lot more than I could get today in six months time12:14
Laneyerr12:14
Laneyyou know what I mean12:14
LaneyI'm with EDF atm12:14
mungbean_the edf fix until 2015 is how much more?12:14
Laney80 quid a year or so12:15
Laneywe're pretty low use, so higher standing charges affect us a lot12:15
directhexENERGIE DE FRANCE12:15
mungbean_quidco are offering up to £28 cashback for using confused.com :S:S12:15
Laneytotal for gas + electricity was about 540 last year12:15
directhexHON HON HON12:15
mungbean_mine is 870 due to baby12:16
Laneydirecthex: joss works for edf :312:16
mungbean_boil kettle and microwave steriliser and keep heatig on loads12:16
directhexLaney, well, he is a froggy frenchman, so...12:16
Laneycorrect12:17
Laneyso you're supporting Debian by buying EDF12:17
davmor2Laney, mungbean_: get your total meter numbers for a month electric/gas then just look at the per unit price to see how much you'd save lose :)12:31
mungbean_davmor2: if only so easy12:32
mungbean_price fixes12:32
mungbean_some are till 2014 . some till 2015 , or 201712:32
mungbean_do you accept a £50 higher bill to fix until 201712:32
mungbean_conundrums12:32
mungbean_what price rise will we see otherwise next yr and yr after12:33
davmor2mungbean_: it is so easy you simply have to assume that everyone will continue to put up their prices 10% per annum which seems to be the default for the last 3 years, even though the government exclaim not, due to the fact that all the energy providers are price fixing rather than competing :)12:35
bashrcthe problems with energy prices are not problems which the market will resolve, because they're about geological resources12:36
mungbean_no wonder everyone is stressed12:36
mungbean_every year there's thing hassle12:37
mungbean_not to mention ISAs12:37
bashrcsee the decline of north sea oil and gas12:37
bashrcthere is a Great Hope for fracking12:37
bashrcso it's a tricky predicament all round12:38
davmor2bashrc: yes that's why they are building a new nuclear plant12:38
bashrcindeed, although I heard those won't be online until the mid 2020s12:39
bashrcthe sort term outlook does seem to be continuing 10% per year price increases12:39
mungbean_bit the bullet and went EDF via quidco via confused.com12:54
mungbean_i think europe pay much higher prices than us12:54
directhexi think it varies a lot12:56
mungbean_denamrk is certainly high but so is everything there12:57
directhexcheapest is estonia12:57
directhexmost expensive is italy12:57
directhexsorry, no12:57
directhexdenmark is much higher than italy12:57
directhexand bulgaria is actually cheapest12:58
directhexat any rate, france is cheapest of the "major" european countries12:58
directhextl;dr: nuclear12:58
directhexdenmark is more than twice the price of france, per unit12:58
directhexsweden is most expensive for natural gas (this is electricity i've been talking about)12:59
mungbean_you seem to have encyclopaedic knowledge ont he subject12:59
directhexhttp://www.energy.eu/12:59
mungbean_i spend all this time on car insurance but it turns out i was getting massively ripped off by halifax on my house insurance13:00
directhexit's hard for me to move my house insurance, i have a nonstandard arrangement13:01
mungbean_life was never this stressful in the 50s13:01
mungbean_ujst had to worry about which shade of grey suit to wear13:01
diddledanmungbean_: and the cold war13:01
mungbean_nuclear war never happened though13:02
diddledanyeah, but that's hindsight13:02
mungbean_risk is at laest the same13:02
mungbean_right now13:02
mungbean_you're only a month away from massive arguments between natinos13:03
diddledanyeah, but during the cold war we were only 30 minutes away13:03
mungbean_as long as its always 30 mins away its no different13:04
mungbean_remember tony blairs infmaous WMD 15 minutes from death allegations13:04
directhexwasn't it 40 minutes?13:05
directhexit was all made up, of course. tony blair is a war criminal13:06
mungbean_yep13:06
diddledanhe'll never get tried though13:07
diddledannor will bush13:07
mgdm45 minutes, yes13:07
mungbean_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier13:07
diddledanmungbean_: it's entitled that because there's never been any other dossiers in september, right? :-p13:08
diddledanwikipedia makes me laugh sometimes. and other times cry13:08
mungbean_SuperMatt: u there13:20
SuperMattyup13:20
diddledanthankyou drupal/php for a meaningful error message: PHP Fatal error:  Cannot access empty property in /Users/dllewellyn/web/maalox/htdocs/modules/field/field.attach.inc on line 32413:20
mgdmdiddledan: something probably tried to access $foo->{''}13:21
mgdmdiddledan: php -r '$f = new stdClass; var_dump($f->{""});'13:21
diddledanhmm13:22
diddledanbut what. and where?13:22
mgdmpresumably line 324 in /Users/dllewellyn/web/maalox/htdocs/modules/field/field.attach.inc13:22
diddledanI need a stack trace13:22
mungbean_SuperMatt: http://www.jobs.qmul.ac.uk/4289 (more OS and OSS software) and also http://www.jobs.qmul.ac.uk/3961 (more hardware oriented)13:22
diddledanyeah but that's standard drupal files so it's something I've done elsewhere that's cause it13:22
diddledancaused*13:22
mgdmif you have xdebug you could clamp a debugger on it abd get it to break on that line13:23
mgdmthen you can get the stack trace13:23
diddledanI guess I need to install xdebug13:23
SuperMattmungbean_: thanks13:24
SuperMattI'll sort out my cv tonight13:25
bashrcfor command line lovers I made a cv generating tool a while ago https://github.com/fuzzgun/autocv13:41
mgdmI used to have my CV in LaTeX, for 1337ness. But last time I wrote one I ust did it in LibreOffice. There comes a point where being technical about it doesn't help :-)13:42
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mungbean_pdf13:50
dwatkinsde-facto standard13:50
directhexi made my cv in an old version of word, and have been maintining it since OOo 1.x days in OOo/LO13:51
mgdmYeah, it's a .odt, but I sent is as .pdf13:51
directhexit's a masterpiece of table-based design13:51
mgdmas a friend of mine once sent a CV in .doc and the recruiter basically did s/PHP/.NET/g13:51
mgdmand oddly enough didn't interview that well13:51
directhexi don't deal with recruiters who want access to the editable version of my CV.13:52
directhexfortunately i am at a stage in my career where i have that control13:52
mungbean_i got stitched up once13:52
mungbean_went for interview and agency told them i was a java developer13:52
mungbean_blatantly not a java dev13:52
mungbean_he'd inserted it on my cv13:53
directhexprecisely.13:53
mungbean_we both said, lets end the chat here and thanks for the coffee13:53
directhexi'll take suggestions, and make changes to tailor a per-job cv. but i won't let them do it for me.13:53
mgdmmungbean_: and hopefully the recruiter got fired13:53
mungbean_recruiters are prety much unregulated13:54
mungbean_i had 2 job offers on the table once, and agency A got a disgruntled ex epmployee to call me to tell me why i should take the other job13:55
mungbean_i took the job with agency B and the agency A job folded in 3 months (was a .com)13:55
SuperMattmgdm: My plan is to get my linkedin profile up to scratch, then export it, scrape the information and reformat it the way I like14:04
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mungbean_anyone used the planner gantt chart software?14:36
mungbean_i can't seem to choose a different start date for a task14:37
AlanBellmungbean_: yes, I have14:37
AlanBellis it dependent on something else?14:37
mungbean_meh, works now14:38
mungbean_i had to chang ethe subtasks14:38
mungbean_rather than the daddy task14:38
mungbean_any idea how to add labels to the gannt?14:38
AlanBellyeah, phases take their dates from the children14:38
AlanBellyou can assign resources to tasks14:40
AlanBellthat makes lables, if you abuse it :)14:40
AlanBellI made a system once that exports in the planner XML format14:42
mungbean_i see14:42
mungbean_wonder if there's a chrome app that does this better14:43
mungbean_not that its too bad14:43
AlanBellthere probably is, planner is pretty much abandonned, but it kind of does the job (and has a fairly sane file format)14:52
mungbean_shame about the monotonous colours14:53
davmor2popey: in about 20minutes on a Saucy box can you install steam please I know your heart will be broken at having to check it during work time :)15:03
diddledano_O15:04
diddledanin 20 minutes?15:05
davmor2diddledan: yeap LP takes between 11-15 minutes to copy a package hence saying 20 to ensure it had copied across :D15:06
diddledanoh right, you want to get it installed via the software centre rather than direct from steampowered.com?15:07
davmor2diddledan: yes :)  just ported it to saucy and I want to be sure it works as expected, I know popey has a steam account hence asking him :)15:08
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dwatkinsooh, netflix has an html5 option16:23
awilkins!16:33
awilkinsNetflix html5!16:33
awilkinsYou mean... no Silverlight?16:33
* awilkins has to try this16:33
awilkinsBoo, IE11 only16:34
directhexhtml5*16:40
directhex(* requires DRM)16:40
directhexi mean, technically, that's within spec. html explicitly does not define an acceptable codec or codec suite for video tags16:41
directhexso "WMV WITH DRM :D" is within spec16:41
directhexjust as much as indeo5 or sorrenson3 are16:41
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shaunoseems to defy the point of not using silverlight though17:40
directhexshauno, depends on what you think the point is of "not using silverlight"17:41
directhexthe point for netflix may not be the point you want17:41
shaunoI guess I can't see any driver other than getting rid of a dependency17:42
directhexsilverlight sucks on touchscreens17:48
directhexand IE11 means Windows RT, too17:48
Laneyczajkowski: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/costumes-that-prove-pugs-always-win-at-halloween20:36
zleapwas someone asking about how to set up a flash disk the other day using unetbootin21:47
czajkowskiLaney: it's so true!22:47
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