[00:30] !info libavcodec-extra-53 precise [00:30] libavcodec-extra-53 (source: libav-extra): Libav codec library. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1 (precise), package size 5689 kB, installed size 14345 kB [00:30] !info libavutil-extra-51 precise [00:30] libavutil-extra-51 (source: libav-extra): Libav utility library. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:0.8.6ubuntu0.12.04.1 (precise), package size 130 kB, installed size 326 kB [00:48] i need something like the RES thing where you can add notes to people, for G+ [00:48] i have loads of followers and no idea who they are [01:12] what do you do when you want to + mention someone, but that person has a really common name and the auto complete doesn't show them? [01:31] sorry i need help === hayden is now known as Devilsolution === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [06:10] morning [06:15] popey: not yet, expect it later this week (takes a few weks for dx stuff to get here) === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad [07:39] Think I've just found a new mod for my kids to play on Minecraft: http://qcraft.org/ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:12] I'm surprised people still play Minecraft. Maybe I need to check out all these mods [08:13] apparently the mods make it [08:14] ooh [08:14] I finally have a laptop powerful enough to bother with minecraft [08:14] again [08:16] Good morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D [08:20] Morning all [08:21] urrr why isn't our site working I get from a colleague this morning ( umm maybe because you've let the domain expire!!!! ) [08:21] bah! [08:22] started a large rsyn last night on my laptop [08:23] diplo: d'oh¬! [08:23] came in this morning to discover i was in / dir instead of /home and it filled up within couple mins of me leaving the office [08:23] also, don't most providers automatically renew? [08:23] I guess if you forget to update payment methods, that'd screw you over [08:25] SuperMatt: My question as well, they have our CC details... [08:26] This company is useless though! [08:26] most companies usually are :P [08:26] And the guy who organises our domain sets all emails to go to him rather than our generic one that delivers to 3 of us [08:26] there's your SPOF [08:27] slap 'em [08:28] with a kipper [08:29] i don't understand why every chrome tab needs 50-100MB minimum [08:30] pip pip [08:30] Good Morning! [08:30] mungbean_: turn off javascript and see if that changes :D [08:30] ooh https://plus.google.com/u/0/118270628723674020025/posts/MDcrEms1xHE [08:31] oooh [08:31] wow, a MS surface, they do exist [08:31] yeah, that's the one they sold [08:32] I'm at least as surprised to find someone owning a surface as I am to find that it's running Ubuntu [08:32] dang [08:32] I have been interested in a surface as devide to chuck ubuntu on [08:32] but then I remembered I couldn't be bothered [08:33] I was briefly tempted by a surface [08:33] but now all I want is a retina/pixel display on a small laptop [08:33] sure [08:33] I would like that too [08:34] might be worth seeing if I can get hold of a second hand macbook [08:34] Oh yeah, someone was saying something about new ones being imminent [08:37] mornin [08:38] Goood morning! [08:38] moanin' [08:38] Aha, I've just succesfully configured my mailserver such that Thunderbird can correctly guess the config :) [08:38] couldn't fit on my bus today because there were 4 community support officers riding on it [08:39] Do you work at QMUL? [08:39] check my whois [08:40] you wanna job? [08:40] ah! [08:40] i'm hiring [08:40] work in OSS [08:40] nah, I just remember the 25 always being full [08:40] lol [08:40] I went to QM, er, for a bit :) [08:40] at least the tramps don't ride it anymore [08:40] they used to live on the 25 when it was a bendy bus [08:40] i mean live on it [08:41] yeah, that's when I was there [08:41] is it not bendy any more? [08:41] nope [08:41] bendy buses got banned by boris [08:41] oh yeah [08:41] I thought I hadn't seen any for a while; now you mention it I remember hearing about that [08:41] its so hard to hire people nowadays [08:42] (I moved out of London for a while) [08:42] nobody wants a job [08:42] what is it you're hiring for? I'm pretty happy where I am, but I know a few people who might be up for new things [08:42] i got told off in centos for mentioning it :( [08:42] I'd love a job mungbean_ just a bit to far :/ [08:43] i'll see if the ad is up [08:43] I'm honestly going to have to look around at moving and seeing my kids slightly less I think [08:45] I'd be interested in a new jon [08:45] job [08:45] BigRedS: basically a sysadminny type role but less on hardware infrastructure and more on OS and apps, and HPC. heavily linux/OSS [08:45] man, I can't spell [08:45] job ad is going up today i think [08:46] http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=295551739& <- this is the kind of stuff I do [08:46] You and this LinkedIn user don’t know anyone in common [08:46] yet I *still* get job ads for windows [08:46] you can't see my skills? [08:46] let me open it up a bit [08:46] nope [08:47] uhm [08:47] pastebin it ? [08:47] my public profile is set to visible to everyone [08:47] http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-ames/82/b90/a77 [08:47] try that [08:47] mungbean_: ah, fair enough, I'll ask about [08:48] SuperMatt: RHCE? pervert [08:48] looks up our street [08:48] RHCSA [08:48] I was convinced to do it at my last job [08:48] there were two more seasoned pros who also did it [08:48] RHCE (and variants are worthwhile) [08:48] I was the only one to pass ;) [08:48] you must pass first time [08:49] cos the second time is...well, you know the questions [08:49] er. " [08:49] sure [08:49] are you looking? [08:49] I kinda am if the location and money are worth it [08:49] LinkedIn Today recommends this news for you: "What I learned when I got fired (again)" [08:49] do they know something I don't? [08:54] they read your mail [08:54] tbh i'm surprised we all agree to linked [08:54] in [08:57] I haven't given linked in access to my email [08:57] I refuse [09:00] me too, but i'm suspicious anyway [09:00] i have a fake account that seems to know about my real account. could be IP based but meh [09:00] Yeah, I've long held them up as the pinnacle of shifty [09:01] but by that point I was already signed up and had told them all about me [09:01] lol [09:11] good morning everyone. [09:13] morning! [09:13] morning BigRedS [09:16] morning! How's things? [09:17] my eczema is playing up, otherwise fine. and you BigRedS ? [09:21] Not bad; I've just been explaining Unity behaviour as "no, that *is* how it's supposed to work" [09:22] some friends of mine moved from Leicester to Norwich, and their daughter's eczema cleared-up, I wonder if there's something in the water that she's allergic to. [09:25] BigRedS: :) [09:30] it's one _really_ minor thing that basically makes it unworkable to all our admin people apparently [09:31] I've filed a bug, but now they know they didn't break it they want me to fix it... [09:31] (bug 1243240 in case it affects you as well :) ) [09:31] bug 1243240 in indicator-messages (Ubuntu) "It is unclear what sort of unread message is being indicated" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243240 [09:33] Oh, the Thunderbird icon has the number of unread messages in its launcher icon thingy [09:33] but pidgin doesn't. Is there a more Ubuntu-approved IM client that does? [09:34] Empathy ? [09:34] That's the default isn't it [09:34] is it? [09:34] ah, well it's installed and I didn't install it :) [09:35] yeah it seems from 9.10 empathy has been default [09:38] Ah right, empathy has the numbers [09:38] software centre makes my fan spin up immediately [09:38] so instead of the indicator in the top bar we can use whatever the thing down the side is called, if I get everyone to use empahty [09:39] argh. But I can't then hide the top bar, and Im sure it used to be trivial to shrink the side one [09:39] pidgin ftw [09:40] yeah, except pidgin doesn't work with the Unity way of knowing if you've got IMs [09:40] BigRedS: you can get the sidebar to autohide in settings somewhere [09:40] diplo: yeah, but I want it visible so that I can use it instead of relying on the envelope on the top bar [09:40] Might be under display, I can find if you like .? [09:40] Make the icons smaller so it doesn't take up as much space ? [09:40] ahh, that tack sounds familiar [09:41] oh, that's on the 'look' tab [09:41] i can't believe that debconf window is still a bug [09:41] Appearance [09:41] i get it on most of my machines [09:41] Mines down to 32, I'd prefer smaller still tbh [09:41] bug 735070 [09:41] bug 912708 in software-center (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #735070 Software Center displays blank and frozen Debconf dialogs" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912708 [09:42] diplo: yeah, and to be able to have the top bar autohiding, too [09:48] right, but Empathy can't show me incoming messages apparently [09:59] Morning all [10:06] morning! [11:19] lol, the PM was told of by the speaker, for calling the labour leader a conman. [11:26] Don't see how that can be worth a telling off, they're all politicans, are there any you wouldn't describe as that :) [11:27] Does the "domain" in this guide refer to the domain without www. subdomain, or with? http://docs.webfaction.com/user-guide/websites.html#generating-a-certificate-signing-request [11:42] andrewebdev: it'll be the domain for which you want the cert [11:42] whether that's www, the domain itself or some other subdomain is largely up to you [11:42] but a standard sSL cert will only work with one of them [11:51] thx BigRedS === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:00] anyone fixed their energy prices lately? [12:00] i'm a mathematician and its all a bit much to take in [12:00] that's scary [12:04] you have to consider whether you will switch provider after the fix runs out [12:04] and the hassle of doing so is rather high [12:07] what we need is a price comparison site comparison site [12:07] I was once going to register comparetheconfusedmeerkat.com for that purpose [12:10] you mean gocomparetheconfusedmeerkat.com [12:10] the problem is that energy comapnies are terrible at switching you over [12:10] and cock up DD and energy reading etc [12:11] I didn't find the switching problematic when I last did it [12:12] shill! [12:12] i just bought a choc orange for £1 \o/ [12:12] question atm is whether to leave the current fix now before everything goes up, or look for new fixes when it ends in april [12:13] stuff is going up now [12:13] edf are fixing one till 2015 [12:13] yes [12:13] npower are fixing for 4 yrs [12:13] but it's way more than i pay now [12:14] Laney: who u with? [12:14] so do I keep on the cheap one for now? [12:14] edf turn out £50 cheaper than eon [12:14] or take the hit now and risk paying a lot more than I could get today in six months time [12:14] err [12:14] you know what I mean [12:14] I'm with EDF atm [12:14] the edf fix until 2015 is how much more? [12:15] 80 quid a year or so [12:15] we're pretty low use, so higher standing charges affect us a lot [12:15] ENERGIE DE FRANCE [12:15] quidco are offering up to £28 cashback for using confused.com :S:S [12:15] total for gas + electricity was about 540 last year [12:15] HON HON HON [12:16] mine is 870 due to baby [12:16] directhex: joss works for edf :3 [12:16] boil kettle and microwave steriliser and keep heatig on loads [12:16] Laney, well, he is a froggy frenchman, so... [12:17] correct [12:17] so you're supporting Debian by buying EDF [12:31] Laney, mungbean_: get your total meter numbers for a month electric/gas then just look at the per unit price to see how much you'd save lose :) [12:32] davmor2: if only so easy [12:32] price fixes [12:32] some are till 2014 . some till 2015 , or 2017 [12:32] do you accept a £50 higher bill to fix until 2017 [12:32] conundrums [12:33] what price rise will we see otherwise next yr and yr after [12:35] mungbean_: it is so easy you simply have to assume that everyone will continue to put up their prices 10% per annum which seems to be the default for the last 3 years, even though the government exclaim not, due to the fact that all the energy providers are price fixing rather than competing :) [12:36] the problems with energy prices are not problems which the market will resolve, because they're about geological resources [12:36] no wonder everyone is stressed [12:37] every year there's thing hassle [12:37] not to mention ISAs [12:37] see the decline of north sea oil and gas [12:37] there is a Great Hope for fracking [12:38] so it's a tricky predicament all round [12:38] bashrc: yes that's why they are building a new nuclear plant [12:39] indeed, although I heard those won't be online until the mid 2020s [12:39] the sort term outlook does seem to be continuing 10% per year price increases [12:54] bit the bullet and went EDF via quidco via confused.com [12:54] i think europe pay much higher prices than us [12:56] i think it varies a lot [12:57] denamrk is certainly high but so is everything there [12:57] cheapest is estonia [12:57] most expensive is italy [12:57] sorry, no [12:57] denmark is much higher than italy [12:58] and bulgaria is actually cheapest [12:58] at any rate, france is cheapest of the "major" european countries [12:58] tl;dr: nuclear [12:58] denmark is more than twice the price of france, per unit [12:59] sweden is most expensive for natural gas (this is electricity i've been talking about) [12:59] you seem to have encyclopaedic knowledge ont he subject [12:59] http://www.energy.eu/ [13:00] i spend all this time on car insurance but it turns out i was getting massively ripped off by halifax on my house insurance [13:01] it's hard for me to move my house insurance, i have a nonstandard arrangement [13:01] life was never this stressful in the 50s [13:01] ujst had to worry about which shade of grey suit to wear [13:01] mungbean_: and the cold war [13:02] nuclear war never happened though [13:02] yeah, but that's hindsight [13:02] risk is at laest the same [13:02] right now [13:03] you're only a month away from massive arguments between natinos [13:03] yeah, but during the cold war we were only 30 minutes away [13:04] as long as its always 30 mins away its no different [13:04] remember tony blairs infmaous WMD 15 minutes from death allegations [13:05] wasn't it 40 minutes? [13:06] it was all made up, of course. tony blair is a war criminal [13:06] yep [13:07] he'll never get tried though [13:07] nor will bush [13:07] 45 minutes, yes [13:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier [13:08] mungbean_: it's entitled that because there's never been any other dossiers in september, right? :-p [13:08] wikipedia makes me laugh sometimes. and other times cry [13:20] SuperMatt: u there [13:20] yup [13:20] thankyou drupal/php for a meaningful error message: PHP Fatal error: Cannot access empty property in /Users/dllewellyn/web/maalox/htdocs/modules/field/field.attach.inc on line 324 [13:21] diddledan: something probably tried to access $foo->{''} [13:21] diddledan: php -r '$f = new stdClass; var_dump($f->{""});' [13:22] hmm [13:22] but what. and where? [13:22] presumably line 324 in /Users/dllewellyn/web/maalox/htdocs/modules/field/field.attach.inc [13:22] I need a stack trace [13:22] SuperMatt: http://www.jobs.qmul.ac.uk/4289 (more OS and OSS software) and also http://www.jobs.qmul.ac.uk/3961 (more hardware oriented) [13:22] yeah but that's standard drupal files so it's something I've done elsewhere that's cause it [13:22] caused* [13:23] if you have xdebug you could clamp a debugger on it abd get it to break on that line [13:23] then you can get the stack trace [13:23] I guess I need to install xdebug [13:24] mungbean_: thanks [13:25] I'll sort out my cv tonight [13:41] for command line lovers I made a cv generating tool a while ago https://github.com/fuzzgun/autocv [13:42] I used to have my CV in LaTeX, for 1337ness. But last time I wrote one I ust did it in LibreOffice. There comes a point where being technical about it doesn't help :-) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [13:50] pdf [13:50] de-facto standard [13:51] i made my cv in an old version of word, and have been maintining it since OOo 1.x days in OOo/LO [13:51] Yeah, it's a .odt, but I sent is as .pdf [13:51] it's a masterpiece of table-based design [13:51] as a friend of mine once sent a CV in .doc and the recruiter basically did s/PHP/.NET/g [13:51] and oddly enough didn't interview that well [13:52] i don't deal with recruiters who want access to the editable version of my CV. [13:52] fortunately i am at a stage in my career where i have that control [13:52] i got stitched up once [13:52] went for interview and agency told them i was a java developer [13:52] blatantly not a java dev [13:53] he'd inserted it on my cv [13:53] precisely. [13:53] we both said, lets end the chat here and thanks for the coffee [13:53] i'll take suggestions, and make changes to tailor a per-job cv. but i won't let them do it for me. [13:53] mungbean_: and hopefully the recruiter got fired [13:54] recruiters are prety much unregulated [13:55] i had 2 job offers on the table once, and agency A got a disgruntled ex epmployee to call me to tell me why i should take the other job [13:55] i took the job with agency B and the agency A job folded in 3 months (was a .com) [14:04] mgdm: My plan is to get my linkedin profile up to scratch, then export it, scrape the information and reformat it the way I like === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:36] anyone used the planner gantt chart software? [14:37] i can't seem to choose a different start date for a task [14:37] mungbean_: yes, I have [14:37] is it dependent on something else? [14:38] meh, works now [14:38] i had to chang ethe subtasks [14:38] rather than the daddy task [14:38] any idea how to add labels to the gannt? [14:38] yeah, phases take their dates from the children [14:40] you can assign resources to tasks [14:40] that makes lables, if you abuse it :) [14:42] I made a system once that exports in the planner XML format [14:42] i see [14:43] wonder if there's a chrome app that does this better [14:43] not that its too bad [14:52] there probably is, planner is pretty much abandonned, but it kind of does the job (and has a fairly sane file format) [14:53] shame about the monotonous colours [15:03] popey: in about 20minutes on a Saucy box can you install steam please I know your heart will be broken at having to check it during work time :) [15:04] o_O [15:05] in 20 minutes? [15:06] diddledan: yeap LP takes between 11-15 minutes to copy a package hence saying 20 to ensure it had copied across :D [15:07] oh right, you want to get it installed via the software centre rather than direct from steampowered.com? [15:08] diddledan: yes :) just ported it to saucy and I want to be sure it works as expected, I know popey has a steam account hence asking him :) === bloodorange is now known as neilp [16:23] ooh, netflix has an html5 option [16:33] ! [16:33] Netflix html5! [16:33] You mean... no Silverlight? [16:33] * awilkins has to try this [16:34] Boo, IE11 only [16:40] html5* [16:40] (* requires DRM) [16:41] i mean, technically, that's within spec. html explicitly does not define an acceptable codec or codec suite for video tags [16:41] so "WMV WITH DRM :D" is within spec [16:41] just as much as indeo5 or sorrenson3 are === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:40] seems to defy the point of not using silverlight though [17:41] shauno, depends on what you think the point is of "not using silverlight" [17:41] the point for netflix may not be the point you want [17:42] I guess I can't see any driver other than getting rid of a dependency [17:48] silverlight sucks on touchscreens [17:48] and IE11 means Windows RT, too [20:36] czajkowski: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/costumes-that-prove-pugs-always-win-at-halloween [21:47] was someone asking about how to set up a flash disk the other day using unetbootin [22:47] Laney: it's so true! === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away