[00:30] <ali1234> !info libavcodec-extra-53 precise
[00:30] <ali1234> !info libavutil-extra-51 precise
[00:48] <ali1234> i need something like the RES thing where you can add notes to people, for G+
[00:48] <ali1234> i have loads of followers and no idea who they are
[01:12] <ali1234> what do you do when you want to + mention someone, but that person has a really common name and the auto complete doesn't show them?
[01:31] <jumfernandez_> sorry i need help
[06:10] <Myrtti> morning
[06:15] <jussi> popey: not yet, expect it later this week (takes a few weks for dx stuff to get here)
[07:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I've just found a new mod for my kids to play on Minecraft: http://qcraft.org/
[08:12] <BigRedS> I'm surprised people still play Minecraft. Maybe I need to check out all these mods
[08:13] <SuperMatt> apparently the mods make it
[08:14] <Myrtti> ooh
[08:14] <Myrtti> I finally have a laptop powerful enough to bother with minecraft
[08:14] <Myrtti> again
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Mole Day! :-D
[08:20] <diplo> Morning all
[08:21] <diplo> urrr why isn't our site working I get from a colleague this morning ( umm maybe because you've let the domain expire!!!! )
[08:21] <diplo> bah!
[08:22] <mungbean_> started a large rsyn last night on my laptop
[08:23] <SuperMatt> diplo: d'oh¬!
[08:23] <mungbean_> came in this morning to discover i was in / dir instead of /home and it filled up within couple mins of me leaving the office
[08:23] <SuperMatt> also, don't most providers automatically renew?
[08:23] <SuperMatt> I guess if you forget to update payment methods, that'd screw you over
[08:25] <diplo> SuperMatt: My question as well, they have our CC details...
[08:26] <diplo> This company is useless though!
[08:26] <SuperMatt> most companies usually are :P
[08:26] <diplo> And the guy who organises our domain sets all emails to go to him rather than our generic one that delivers to 3 of us
[08:26] <mungbean_> there's your SPOF
[08:27] <SuperMatt> slap 'em
[08:28] <mungbean_> with a kipper
[08:29] <mungbean_> i don't understand why every chrome tab needs 50-100MB minimum
[08:30] <popey> pip pip
[08:30] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:30] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: turn off javascript and see if that changes :D
[08:30] <popey> ooh https://plus.google.com/u/0/118270628723674020025/posts/MDcrEms1xHE
[08:31] <BigRedS> oooh
[08:31] <mungbean_> wow, a MS surface, they do exist
[08:31] <BigRedS> yeah, that's the one they sold
[08:32] <BigRedS> I'm at least as surprised to find someone owning a surface as I am to find that it's running Ubuntu
[08:32] <SuperMatt> dang
[08:32] <SuperMatt> I have been interested in a surface as devide to chuck ubuntu on
[08:32] <SuperMatt> but then I remembered I couldn't be bothered
[08:33] <BigRedS> I was briefly tempted by a surface
[08:33] <BigRedS> but now all I want is a retina/pixel display on a small laptop
[08:33] <SuperMatt> sure
[08:33] <SuperMatt> I would like that too
[08:34] <SuperMatt> might be worth seeing if I can get hold of a second hand macbook
[08:34] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, someone was saying something about new ones being imminent
[08:37] <dwatkins> mornin
[08:38] <BigRedS> Goood morning!
[08:38] <SuperMatt> moanin'
[08:38] <BigRedS> Aha, I've just succesfully configured my mailserver such that Thunderbird can correctly guess the config :)
[08:38] <mungbean_> couldn't fit on my bus today because there were 4 community support officers riding on it
[08:39] <BigRedS> Do you work at QMUL?
[08:39] <mungbean_> check my whois
[08:40] <mungbean_> you wanna job?
[08:40] <BigRedS> ah!
[08:40] <mungbean_> i'm hiring
[08:40] <mungbean_> work in OSS
[08:40] <BigRedS> nah, I just remember the 25 always being full
[08:40] <mungbean_> lol
[08:40] <BigRedS> I went to QM, er, for a bit :)
[08:40] <mungbean_> at least the tramps don't ride it anymore
[08:40] <mungbean_> they used to live on the 25 when it was a bendy bus
[08:40] <mungbean_> i mean live on it
[08:41] <BigRedS> yeah, that's when I was there
[08:41] <BigRedS> is it not bendy any more?
[08:41] <mungbean_> nope
[08:41] <mungbean_> bendy buses got banned by boris
[08:41] <BigRedS> oh yeah
[08:41] <BigRedS> I thought I hadn't seen any for a while; now you mention it I remember hearing about that
[08:41] <mungbean_> its so hard to hire people nowadays
[08:42] <BigRedS> (I moved out of London for a while)
[08:42] <mungbean_> nobody wants a job
[08:42] <BigRedS> what is it you're hiring for? I'm pretty happy where I am, but I know a few people who might be up for new things
[08:42] <mungbean_> i got told off in centos for mentioning it :(
[08:42] <diplo> I'd love a job mungbean_ just a bit to far :/
[08:43] <mungbean_> i'll see if the ad is up
[08:43] <diplo> I'm honestly going to have to look around at moving and seeing my kids slightly less I think
[08:45] <SuperMatt> I'd be interested in a new jon
[08:45] <SuperMatt> job
[08:45] <mungbean_> BigRedS: basically a sysadminny type role but less on hardware infrastructure and more on OS and apps, and HPC. heavily linux/OSS
[08:45] <SuperMatt> man, I can't spell
[08:45] <mungbean_> job ad is going up today i think
[08:46] <SuperMatt> http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=295551739& <- this is the kind of stuff I do
[08:46] <mungbean_> You and this LinkedIn user don’t know anyone in common
[08:46] <SuperMatt> yet I *still* get job ads for windows
[08:46] <SuperMatt> you can't see my skills?
[08:46] <SuperMatt> let me open it up a bit
[08:46] <mungbean_> nope
[08:47] <SuperMatt> uhm
[08:47] <mungbean_> pastebin it ?
[08:47] <SuperMatt> my public profile is set to visible to everyone
[08:47] <SuperMatt> http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/matthew-ames/82/b90/a77
[08:47] <SuperMatt> try that
[08:47] <BigRedS> mungbean_: ah, fair enough, I'll ask about
[08:48] <BigRedS> SuperMatt: RHCE? pervert
[08:48] <mungbean_> looks up our street
[08:48] <SuperMatt> RHCSA
[08:48] <SuperMatt> I was convinced to do it at my last job
[08:48] <SuperMatt> there were two more seasoned pros who also did it
[08:48] <mungbean_> RHCE (and variants are worthwhile)
[08:48] <SuperMatt> I was the only one to pass ;)
[08:48] <mungbean_> you must pass first time
[08:49] <mungbean_> cos the second time is...well, you know the questions
[08:49] <BigRedS> er. "
[08:49] <SuperMatt> sure
[08:49] <mungbean_> are you looking?
[08:49] <SuperMatt> I kinda am if the location and money are worth it
[08:49] <BigRedS> LinkedIn Today recommends this news for you: "What I learned when I got fired (again)"
[08:49] <BigRedS> do they know something I don't?
[08:54] <mungbean_> they read your mail
[08:54] <mungbean_> tbh i'm surprised we all agree to linked
[08:54] <mungbean_> in
[08:57] <SuperMatt> I haven't given linked in access to my email
[08:57] <SuperMatt> I refuse
[09:00] <mungbean_> me too, but i'm suspicious anyway
[09:00] <mungbean_> i have a fake account that seems to know about my real account. could be IP based but meh
[09:00] <BigRedS> Yeah, I've long held them up as the pinnacle of shifty
[09:01] <BigRedS> but by that point I was already signed up and had told them all about me
[09:01] <mungbean_> lol
[09:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:13] <BigRedS> morning!
[09:13] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[09:16] <BigRedS> morning! How's things?
[09:17] <brobostigon> my eczema is playing up, otherwise fine. and you BigRedS ?
[09:21] <BigRedS> Not bad; I've just been explaining Unity behaviour as "no, that *is* how it's supposed to work"
[09:22] <dwatkins> some friends of mine moved from Leicester to Norwich, and their daughter's eczema cleared-up, I wonder if there's something in the water that she's allergic to.
[09:25] <brobostigon> BigRedS: :)
[09:30] <BigRedS> it's one _really_ minor thing that basically makes it unworkable to all our admin people apparently
[09:31] <BigRedS> I've filed a bug, but now they know they didn't break it they want me to fix it...
[09:31] <BigRedS> (bug 1243240 in case it affects you as well :) )
[09:33] <BigRedS> Oh, the Thunderbird icon has the number of unread messages in its launcher icon thingy
[09:33] <BigRedS> but pidgin doesn't. Is there a more Ubuntu-approved IM client that does?
[09:34] <diplo> Empathy ?
[09:34] <diplo> That's the default isn't it
[09:34] <BigRedS> is it?
[09:34] <BigRedS> ah, well it's installed and I didn't install it :)
[09:35] <diplo> yeah it seems from 9.10 empathy has been default
[09:38] <BigRedS> Ah right, empathy has the numbers
[09:38] <mungbean_> software centre makes my fan spin up immediately
[09:38] <BigRedS> so instead of the indicator in the top bar we can use whatever the thing down the side is called, if I get everyone to use empahty
[09:39] <BigRedS> argh. But I can't then hide the top bar, and Im sure it used to be trivial to shrink the side one
[09:39] <mungbean_> pidgin ftw
[09:40] <BigRedS> yeah, except pidgin doesn't work with the Unity way of knowing if you've got IMs
[09:40] <diplo> BigRedS: you can get the sidebar to autohide in settings somewhere
[09:40] <BigRedS> diplo: yeah, but I want it visible so that I can use it instead of relying on the envelope on the top bar
[09:40] <diplo> Might be under display, I can find if you like .?
[09:40] <diplo> Make the icons smaller so it doesn't take up as much space ?
[09:40] <BigRedS> ahh, that tack sounds familiar
[09:41] <BigRedS> oh, that's on the 'look' tab
[09:41] <mungbean_> i can't believe that debconf window is still a bug
[09:41] <diplo> Appearance
[09:41] <mungbean_> i get it on most of my machines
[09:41] <diplo> Mines down to 32, I'd prefer smaller still tbh
[09:41] <mungbean_> bug 735070
[09:42] <BigRedS> diplo: yeah, and to be able to have the top bar autohiding, too
[09:48] <BigRedS> right, but Empathy can't show me incoming messages apparently
[09:59] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:06] <BigRedS> morning!
[11:19] <brobostigon> lol, the PM was told of by the speaker, for calling the labour leader a conman.
[11:26] <DJones> Don't see how that can be worth a telling off, they're all politicans, are there any you wouldn't describe as that :)
[11:27] <andrewebdev> Does the "domain" in this guide refer to the domain without www.  subdomain, or with? http://docs.webfaction.com/user-guide/websites.html#generating-a-certificate-signing-request
[11:42] <BigRedS> andrewebdev: it'll be the domain for which you want the cert
[11:42] <BigRedS> whether that's www, the domain itself or some other subdomain is largely up to you
[11:42] <BigRedS> but a standard sSL cert will only work with one of them
[11:51] <andrewebdev> thx BigRedS
[12:00] <mungbean_> anyone fixed their energy prices lately?
[12:00] <mungbean_> i'm a mathematician and its all a bit much to take in
[12:00] <dwatkins> that's scary
[12:04] <mungbean_> you have to consider whether you will switch provider after the fix runs out
[12:04] <mungbean_> and the hassle of doing so is rather high
[12:07] <gordonjcp> what we need is a price comparison site comparison site
[12:07] <mgdm> I was once going to register comparetheconfusedmeerkat.com for that purpose
[12:10] <mungbean_> you mean gocomparetheconfusedmeerkat.com
[12:10] <mungbean_> the problem is that energy comapnies are terrible at switching you over
[12:10] <mungbean_> and cock up DD and energy reading etc
[12:11] <Laney> I didn't find the switching problematic when I last did it
[12:12] <mungbean_> shill!
[12:12] <mungbean_> i just bought a choc orange for £1 \o/
[12:12] <Laney> question atm is whether to leave the current fix now before everything goes up, or look for new fixes when it ends in april
[12:13] <mungbean_> stuff is going up now
[12:13] <mungbean_> edf are fixing one till 2015
[12:13] <Laney> yes
[12:13] <mungbean_> npower are fixing for 4 yrs
[12:13] <Laney> but it's way more than i pay now
[12:14] <mungbean_> Laney: who u with?
[12:14] <Laney> so do I keep on the cheap one for now?
[12:14] <mungbean_> edf turn out £50 cheaper than eon
[12:14] <Laney> or take the hit now and risk paying a lot more than I could get today in six months time
[12:14] <Laney> err
[12:14] <Laney> you know what I mean
[12:14] <Laney> I'm with EDF atm
[12:14] <mungbean_> the edf fix until 2015 is how much more?
[12:15] <Laney> 80 quid a year or so
[12:15] <Laney> we're pretty low use, so higher standing charges affect us a lot
[12:15] <directhex> ENERGIE DE FRANCE
[12:15] <mungbean_> quidco are offering up to £28 cashback for using confused.com :S:S
[12:15] <Laney> total for gas + electricity was about 540 last year
[12:15] <directhex> HON HON HON
[12:16] <mungbean_> mine is 870 due to baby
[12:16] <Laney> directhex: joss works for edf :3
[12:16] <mungbean_> boil kettle and microwave steriliser and keep heatig on loads
[12:16] <directhex> Laney, well, he is a froggy frenchman, so...
[12:17] <Laney> correct
[12:17] <Laney> so you're supporting Debian by buying EDF
[12:31] <davmor2> Laney, mungbean_: get your total meter numbers for a month electric/gas then just look at the per unit price to see how much you'd save lose :)
[12:32] <mungbean_> davmor2: if only so easy
[12:32] <mungbean_> price fixes
[12:32] <mungbean_> some are till 2014 . some till 2015 , or 2017
[12:32] <mungbean_> do you accept a £50 higher bill to fix until 2017
[12:32] <mungbean_> conundrums
[12:33] <mungbean_> what price rise will we see otherwise next yr and yr after
[12:35] <davmor2> mungbean_: it is so easy you simply have to assume that everyone will continue to put up their prices 10% per annum which seems to be the default for the last 3 years, even though the government exclaim not, due to the fact that all the energy providers are price fixing rather than competing :)
[12:36] <bashrc> the problems with energy prices are not problems which the market will resolve, because they're about geological resources
[12:36] <mungbean_> no wonder everyone is stressed
[12:37] <mungbean_> every year there's thing hassle
[12:37] <mungbean_> not to mention ISAs
[12:37] <bashrc> see the decline of north sea oil and gas
[12:37] <bashrc> there is a Great Hope for fracking
[12:38] <bashrc> so it's a tricky predicament all round
[12:38] <davmor2> bashrc: yes that's why they are building a new nuclear plant
[12:39] <bashrc> indeed, although I heard those won't be online until the mid 2020s
[12:39] <bashrc> the sort term outlook does seem to be continuing 10% per year price increases
[12:54] <mungbean_> bit the bullet and went EDF via quidco via confused.com
[12:54] <mungbean_> i think europe pay much higher prices than us
[12:56] <directhex> i think it varies a lot
[12:57] <mungbean_> denamrk is certainly high but so is everything there
[12:57] <directhex> cheapest is estonia
[12:57] <directhex> most expensive is italy
[12:57] <directhex> sorry, no
[12:57] <directhex> denmark is much higher than italy
[12:58] <directhex> and bulgaria is actually cheapest
[12:58] <directhex> at any rate, france is cheapest of the "major" european countries
[12:58] <directhex> tl;dr: nuclear
[12:58] <directhex> denmark is more than twice the price of france, per unit
[12:59] <directhex> sweden is most expensive for natural gas (this is electricity i've been talking about)
[12:59] <mungbean_> you seem to have encyclopaedic knowledge ont he subject
[12:59] <directhex> http://www.energy.eu/
[13:00] <mungbean_> i spend all this time on car insurance but it turns out i was getting massively ripped off by halifax on my house insurance
[13:01] <directhex> it's hard for me to move my house insurance, i have a nonstandard arrangement
[13:01] <mungbean_> life was never this stressful in the 50s
[13:01] <mungbean_> ujst had to worry about which shade of grey suit to wear
[13:01] <diddledan> mungbean_: and the cold war
[13:02] <mungbean_> nuclear war never happened though
[13:02] <diddledan> yeah, but that's hindsight
[13:02] <mungbean_> risk is at laest the same
[13:02] <mungbean_> right now
[13:03] <mungbean_> you're only a month away from massive arguments between natinos
[13:03] <diddledan> yeah, but during the cold war we were only 30 minutes away
[13:04] <mungbean_> as long as its always 30 mins away its no different
[13:04] <mungbean_> remember tony blairs infmaous WMD 15 minutes from death allegations
[13:05] <directhex> wasn't it 40 minutes?
[13:06] <directhex> it was all made up, of course. tony blair is a war criminal
[13:06] <mungbean_> yep
[13:07] <diddledan> he'll never get tried though
[13:07] <diddledan> nor will bush
[13:07] <mgdm> 45 minutes, yes
[13:07] <mungbean_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Dossier
[13:08] <diddledan> mungbean_: it's entitled that because there's never been any other dossiers in september, right? :-p
[13:08] <diddledan> wikipedia makes me laugh sometimes. and other times cry
[13:20] <mungbean_> SuperMatt: u there
[13:20] <SuperMatt> yup
[13:20] <diddledan> thankyou drupal/php for a meaningful error message: PHP Fatal error:  Cannot access empty property in /Users/dllewellyn/web/maalox/htdocs/modules/field/field.attach.inc on line 324
[13:21] <mgdm> diddledan: something probably tried to access $foo->{''}
[13:21] <mgdm> diddledan: php -r '$f = new stdClass; var_dump($f->{""});'
[13:22] <diddledan> hmm
[13:22] <diddledan> but what. and where?
[13:22] <mgdm> presumably line 324 in /Users/dllewellyn/web/maalox/htdocs/modules/field/field.attach.inc
[13:22] <diddledan> I need a stack trace
[13:22] <mungbean_> SuperMatt: http://www.jobs.qmul.ac.uk/4289 (more OS and OSS software) and also http://www.jobs.qmul.ac.uk/3961 (more hardware oriented)
[13:22] <diddledan> yeah but that's standard drupal files so it's something I've done elsewhere that's cause it
[13:22] <diddledan> caused*
[13:23] <mgdm> if you have xdebug you could clamp a debugger on it abd get it to break on that line
[13:23] <mgdm> then you can get the stack trace
[13:23] <diddledan> I guess I need to install xdebug
[13:24] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: thanks
[13:25] <SuperMatt> I'll sort out my cv tonight
[13:41] <bashrc> for command line lovers I made a cv generating tool a while ago https://github.com/fuzzgun/autocv
[13:42] <mgdm> I used to have my CV in LaTeX, for 1337ness. But last time I wrote one I ust did it in LibreOffice. There comes a point where being technical about it doesn't help :-)
[13:50] <mungbean_> pdf
[13:50] <dwatkins> de-facto standard
[13:51] <directhex> i made my cv in an old version of word, and have been maintining it since OOo 1.x days in OOo/LO
[13:51] <mgdm> Yeah, it's a .odt, but I sent is as .pdf
[13:51] <directhex> it's a masterpiece of table-based design
[13:51] <mgdm> as a friend of mine once sent a CV in .doc and the recruiter basically did s/PHP/.NET/g
[13:51] <mgdm> and oddly enough didn't interview that well
[13:52] <directhex> i don't deal with recruiters who want access to the editable version of my CV.
[13:52] <directhex> fortunately i am at a stage in my career where i have that control
[13:52] <mungbean_> i got stitched up once
[13:52] <mungbean_> went for interview and agency told them i was a java developer
[13:52] <mungbean_> blatantly not a java dev
[13:53] <mungbean_> he'd inserted it on my cv
[13:53] <directhex> precisely.
[13:53] <mungbean_> we both said, lets end the chat here and thanks for the coffee
[13:53] <directhex> i'll take suggestions, and make changes to tailor a per-job cv. but i won't let them do it for me.
[13:53] <mgdm> mungbean_: and hopefully the recruiter got fired
[13:54] <mungbean_> recruiters are prety much unregulated
[13:55] <mungbean_> i had 2 job offers on the table once, and agency A got a disgruntled ex epmployee to call me to tell me why i should take the other job
[13:55] <mungbean_> i took the job with agency B and the agency A job folded in 3 months (was a .com)
[14:04] <SuperMatt> mgdm: My plan is to get my linkedin profile up to scratch, then export it, scrape the information and reformat it the way I like
[14:36] <mungbean_> anyone used the planner gantt chart software?
[14:37] <mungbean_> i can't seem to choose a different start date for a task
[14:37] <AlanBell> mungbean_: yes, I have
[14:37] <AlanBell> is it dependent on something else?
[14:38] <mungbean_> meh, works now
[14:38] <mungbean_> i had to chang ethe subtasks
[14:38] <mungbean_> rather than the daddy task
[14:38] <mungbean_> any idea how to add labels to the gannt?
[14:38] <AlanBell> yeah, phases take their dates from the children
[14:40] <AlanBell> you can assign resources to tasks
[14:40] <AlanBell> that makes lables, if you abuse it :)
[14:42] <AlanBell> I made a system once that exports in the planner XML format
[14:42] <mungbean_> i see
[14:43] <mungbean_> wonder if there's a chrome app that does this better
[14:43] <mungbean_> not that its too bad
[14:52] <AlanBell> there probably is, planner is pretty much abandonned, but it kind of does the job (and has a fairly sane file format)
[14:53] <mungbean_> shame about the monotonous colours
[15:03] <davmor2> popey: in about 20minutes on a Saucy box can you install steam please I know your heart will be broken at having to check it during work time :)
[15:04] <diddledan> o_O
[15:05] <diddledan> in 20 minutes?
[15:06] <davmor2> diddledan: yeap LP takes between 11-15 minutes to copy a package hence saying 20 to ensure it had copied across :D
[15:07] <diddledan> oh right, you want to get it installed via the software centre rather than direct from steampowered.com?
[15:08] <davmor2> diddledan: yes :)  just ported it to saucy and I want to be sure it works as expected, I know popey has a steam account hence asking him :)
[16:23] <dwatkins> ooh, netflix has an html5 option
[16:33] <awilkins> !
[16:33] <awilkins> Netflix html5!
[16:33] <awilkins> You mean... no Silverlight?
[16:33]  * awilkins has to try this
[16:34] <awilkins> Boo, IE11 only
[16:40] <directhex> html5*
[16:40] <directhex> (* requires DRM)
[16:41] <directhex> i mean, technically, that's within spec. html explicitly does not define an acceptable codec or codec suite for video tags
[16:41] <directhex> so "WMV WITH DRM :D" is within spec
[16:41] <directhex> just as much as indeo5 or sorrenson3 are
[17:40] <shauno> seems to defy the point of not using silverlight though
[17:41] <directhex> shauno, depends on what you think the point is of "not using silverlight"
[17:41] <directhex> the point for netflix may not be the point you want
[17:42] <shauno> I guess I can't see any driver other than getting rid of a dependency
[17:48] <directhex> silverlight sucks on touchscreens
[17:48] <directhex> and IE11 means Windows RT, too
[20:36] <Laney> czajkowski: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mattbellassai/costumes-that-prove-pugs-always-win-at-halloween
[21:47] <zleap> was someone asking about how to set up a flash disk the other day using unetbootin
[22:47] <czajkowski> Laney: it's so true!