[17:58] <nhaines> pleia2: hey, I need to buy an über-expensive book from O'Reilly.  They don't offer LoCo or community discounts, do they?
[17:58] <nhaines> (The book is in German; ironically "über-expensive" translates to "superteuer" and doesn't have the word über in it.)
[18:03] <nhaines> I suppose it's relevant that I'm buying an ebook copy.
[18:05] <akk> Seems like I see 50% off sales from them pretty often ... if you can wait a few weeks one might appear.
[18:05] <nhaines> akk: aww.  I need the book for a project I'm currently on.
[18:06] <akk> You might check local LUGs too -- I think a lot of LUGs get discounts, if we don't.
[18:11] <nhaines> akk: thanks.  :)  I found a couple codes on the Web, so I'll wait an hour and see if we can get the California team credit for the sale.
[18:12] <nhaines> Plus, I just got offered the company credit card to make the purchase, so even better.
[18:13] <akk> \o/
[18:15] <nhaines> Quite.  :)
[19:08] <pleia2> nhaines: the code is the same for all user groups
[19:08] <pleia2> it's the one you find all over the internet :)
[19:09] <pleia2> they don't really track who is using it or whatnot as far as I can tell
[19:12] <nhaines> pleia2: yay, thanks.  :)
[19:35] <raevol> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/384934/torvalds-steamos-will-really-help-linux-on-desktop
[19:35] <darthrobot`> Title: [Torvalds: SteamOS will "really help" Linux on desktop | News | PC Pro]
[19:53] <nhaines> I agree.  Just about the only thing Linux doesn't do is games, and that's simply because they're not ported.
[19:53] <nhaines> But Valve Software is not only creating and distributing a dedicated Linux-based gaming platform, but is also creating free debuggers.
[19:54] <blitz> it's not that simple
[19:54] <nhaines> Even if we pretended that Valve didn't strongarm Intel, nVidia and AMD to fix their graphics drivers, that alone is a huge boost.
[19:56] <akk> I actually think the big thing Linux doesn't do (as far as desktop) is get heard about, or sold preinstalled.
[19:57] <akk> It would work just fine for most people (most people aren't hardcore gamers) but people don't really have the opportunity to consider it.
[19:57] <blitz> I think steamos is great but will be held back by steam machines... yet to get tons of info on that though
[20:09] <raevol> blitz: why held back by steam machines?
[20:10] <blitz> because, like akk mentioned, the biggest way the os will make it into people's homes is preinstalled
[20:10] <raevol> and?
[20:11] <blitz> so the key to it being very successful is how well steam machines take off
[20:11] <raevol> and you think they won't take off because?
[20:12] <blitz> because the odds are against someone breaking into that market
[20:13] <raevol> what do you consider to be "that market"?
[20:13] <blitz> there isn't much concrete information available yet, but it just seems like there are so many places where valve/their hardware partners could fail
[20:13] <blitz> the biggest to me is them pricing things too high, or not low enough
[20:18] <raevol> well i am excited to give it a shot :) i won't be buying a steam machine though, i'll put it on the box i already have if anything
[20:27] <blitz> oh, don't get me wrong, I will too
[20:27] <blitz> I'll probably turn my current gaming pc into a steam machine and build a new one
[23:27] <raevol> yay saucy
[23:39] <raevol> wow the software center is really terrible :(