[05:44] <Kilos> morningall
[05:44] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:44] <Kilos> morning all
[06:13] <bduk1> Good morning all
[06:31] <Kilos> yo bduk1 
[06:44] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:45] <Kilos> who was it here that said they like php. i see langjan needs php help on the list
[07:01] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:01] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:02] <mazal> Gaanit weer reën oom ?
[07:02] <Kilos> hoop so
[07:02] <Kilos> kannie genoeg kry nie
[07:02] <Kilos> of kannie te veel kry nie
[07:04]  * Squirm dances
[07:04] <Squirm> we're finally getting decent speeds
[07:04] <Kilos> lol what excited you Squirm 
[07:04] <Squirm> I still don't think they're where they're supposed to be
[07:04] <Kilos> oh they been fixing things
[07:05] <Squirm> but they are good
[07:05] <Squirm> 4x4mbit lines
[07:05] <Squirm> I'm getting http download speeds of up to 900Kb/s
[07:06] <superfly> morning oom Kilos 
[07:06] <superfly> hi Squirm 
[07:06] <Squirm> morning superfly 
[07:06] <mazal> Squirm, how do you combines the 4 lines ? At router level ?
[07:06] <Kilos> wow that be good Squirm 
[07:06] <Squirm> mazal: yes
[07:07] <Squirm> we have an mweb bonded solution
[07:07] <mazal> Uncapped as well ?
[07:09] <Squirm> yes
[07:09] <Squirm> should be unshaped too
[07:09] <Squirm> but I don't think it is
[07:10] <mazal> Sounds too slow for 4x4 , on a single 4 I used to get average 410Kb/s
[07:10] <Kilos> no man thats not fast Squirm 
[07:10] <Kilos> you aint got the b and B mixed up
[07:10] <Kilos> ?
[07:11] <Squirm> mazal: it is
[07:11] <Squirm> just shows the state of our exchange
[07:11] <Kilos> i get up to 400kB/w
[07:11] <Kilos> ai!/s
[07:11] <mazal> oom Kilos , your speed works with calendar ? Per week lol
[07:11] <Kilos> lol
[07:12] <Kilos> no man 8ta rocks
[07:12] <Kilos> Squirm, do that speedtest.co.za
[07:12] <Kilos> should be over 4mb/s i think
[07:12] <Squirm> Kilos: I did yesterday
[07:12] <Squirm> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3049341862
[07:12] <Squirm> definitely over 4
[07:12] <Squirm> but not quite 16
[07:12] <mazal> Should be around 1.3Mb/s
[07:13] <Kilos> no man 1.3 mb/s is slow
[07:13] <Squirm> 11.66Mb/s
[07:13] <Squirm> 11.77Mb/s
[07:13] <Kilos> ya thats better
[07:14] <Kilos> 11.77/8
[07:14] <Kilos> ai!
[07:14] <Kilos> Maaz, 11.77/8
[07:14] <Maaz> Kilos: 1.47125
[07:14] <Kilos> 1.4mB/s
[07:14] <Kilos> thats good
[07:15] <Squirm> we should be getting more
[07:15] <Squirm> but alas...
[07:15] <Kilos> dont be greedy leave some for us
[07:16] <Kilos> i go feed sheep
[07:30] <Kilos> thats a good speed for getting iso's and doing update/upgrades
[08:43] <Squirm> Kilos: among other things
[08:43] <Kilos> yeah
[08:44] <Kilos> lol brings back memories of 9 hour upgrade of 8.10 0n gprs
[08:46]  * Kilos loves 3g
[08:46]  * Squirm loves HSDPA
[08:46] <Squirm> and I wish we could get LTE here :/
[08:47] <Kilos> oh ya thats what i get with 8ta nowadays
[08:47] <Kilos> utms or something as well
[08:47] <Kilos> i see the lte advertised but dunno what its all about
[08:48] <Squirm> umts is 3g and up
[08:48] <Kilos> is lte only in cities
[08:48] <Squirm> city centres
[08:48] <Kilos> aw
[08:48] <Squirm> LTE - Long Term Evolution
[08:49] <Squirm> you get speed of 50Mb/s
[08:49] <Squirm> and our speed is 12Mb/s
[08:49] <Kilos> lol arent you trying to have mooiriver classed as a city
[08:49] <Kilos> wow that is fast hey
[08:49] <Squirm> and it's wireless
[08:49] <Squirm> so from your cellphone
[08:49] <Squirm> or LTE dongle
[08:50] <Kilos> that reminds me i still gotta try get a wireless card for the p4
[08:50] <Kilos> oh special dongle as well
[08:50] <Squirm> Telkom Mobile executive, Amith Maharaj demonstrated the performance of its live LTE network at the 2013 MyBroadband conference, with peak speeds exceeding 200Mbps.
[08:50] <Kilos> wow
[08:51] <Kilos> maybe if you use a yagi with your wireless you can get it from a city
[08:51] <Kilos> but you too far
[08:51] <Squirm> that would be internal though
[08:51] <Squirm> Durban is the closest city with LTE
[08:52] <Kilos> aw much too far
[08:52] <Kilos> yagi might manage a max of 20 ks i think
[08:52] <Kilos> and you got too many mountains there
[08:53] <Kilos> gotta be line of sight
[08:54] <Squirm> I know
[08:59] <mazal> Guys what can cause Unity's app scope to stop keeping history of apps that is used ? My files scope still shows history , just the apps one doesn't. This started suddenly yesterday evening
[09:00] <Kilos> there is a setting
[09:00] <Kilos> under pivacy i think it was
[09:00] <Kilos> privacy
[09:01] <Kilos> maybe it has limits to how much it remembers
[09:01] <Kilos> ohi psyatw 
[09:01] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:02] <mazal> I checked there , but all settings there is to remove. There is no disable. And my files scope still works
[09:02] <Kilos> maybe set it to all
[09:02] <mazal> I think yesterday's update broke it
[09:02] <Kilos> oh my
[09:02] <psyatw> hi mazal
[09:02] <mazal> Hi psyatw 
[09:03] <Kilos> should show past week or day or month and all and advanced
[09:05] <mazal> All of those settings will delete it
[09:05] <Kilos> try some --fix-brokens or something
[09:05] <mazal> I am sure there were an disabled setting there
[09:05] <mazal> No matter what you choose there , it will delete it
[09:05] <Kilos> there is also the on off button at the bottom
[09:05] <mazal> And why only the apps and not the files
[09:06] <Kilos> try an aptitude upgrade
[09:06] <Kilos> or look in synaptic there is a fix broken somewhere
[09:07] <Kilos> ya edit fix broken
[09:08] <Kilos> maybe you didnt get a good upgrade so you can also do mark all upgrades and it will show the apply arrow if there is something missing
[09:08] <mazal> sudo apt-get fix-the-broken-stuff
[09:08] <Kilos> um
[09:08] <Kilos> apt-get --fix-broken i think it was
[09:09] <mazal> sudo apt-get fix-the-broken-stuff && sudo-apt-get install stop-breaking-things-in-the-future
[09:09] <Kilos> Maaz, google apt-get fix broken command on ubuntu
[09:09] <Maaz> Kilos: "AptGet/Howto - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto :: "apt-get - Ubuntu Manpage Repository" http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/oneiric/man8/apt-get.8.html :: "How to fix broken packages using the Command Line - Linux Mint ..." http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/482 :: "installation - Package system is
[09:09] <Maaz> broken. How to fix it? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/118749/package-system-i…
[09:10] <mazal> And just when I thought my Ubuntu problems is over after going back to LTS
[09:10] <Kilos> also sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:11] <Kilos> do an aptitude upgrade man and see what it says
[09:11] <Kilos> will tell you if something not lekker
[09:12] <mazal> Btw oom , I really like that backintime. Works very well with very good "how many snapshots" to keep setting. You should check it out
[09:12] <mazal> Only lacks a function for "before backup run this command"
[09:13] <Kilos> will check it out if you remind me in new data month
[09:13] <Kilos> what is backintime
[09:14] <Kilos> everything works here
[09:16] <Kilos> running main psu on mobo and dvd and external psu on 2 drives
[09:16] <Kilos> hehe
[09:17] <Kilos> i like then old psu's with the manual on off button that doesnt relay on the mobo to switch on
[09:20] <mazal> It's a backup app. The only one I could find so far that keeps good weekly , monthly , yearly backups automatically
[09:21] <Kilos> no man i do backups manually when data allows. nothing automatic here
[09:21] <mazal> I don't have time for manual anymore. Life got to full and forget
[09:21] <Kilos> lol
[09:33] <charl_> good morning all
[09:34] <mazal> Hi charl_ 
[09:34] <charl_> hi mazal 
[09:34] <psyatw> good morning charl_
[09:36] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[10:03] <charl_> hi psyatw 
[10:03] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[11:39] <Kilos> hi zerlgi 
[11:41] <zerlgi> Hi Kilos
[11:46] <superfly> hi zerlgi 
[11:50] <zerlgi> Hi superfly. One day I hope to actually meet you face-to-face:P
[11:51] <superfly> hehehehe me too
[12:30] <charl_> whow this is shocking
[12:30] <charl_> at work i use win8 inside a virtual machine in order to use some microsoft-only software
[12:30] <charl_> mainly microsoft office and pl/sql developer
[12:30] <charl_> i just attempted to upgrade to windows 8.1 - big mistake
[12:30] <charl_> you are now forced (you literally can't get past the configuration screen) unless you sign up for a microsoft account
[12:31] <charl_> they want all your details including your birthdate, and it's mandatory
[12:31] <charl_> yet more reason not to use windows and to stay the heck away from microsoft software
[12:32] <charl_> when you attempt a clean install, you get the same problem btw
[12:32] <charl_> wiped the whole thing and am now restoring the old win8 from backups
[12:33] <charl_> Windows 8 - NSA Approved (TM)
[12:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:43] <Kilos> the screws get turned tighter and tighter
[12:45] <charl_> indeed, my thoughts exactly
[12:45] <charl_> considering microsoft was one of the most "eager" american companies to work with the nsa i would not be at all surprised if this is used for data collection
[12:46] <charl_> if you said that 12 months ago it would be sheer paranoia but right now it's just plain obvious
[12:46] <Kilos> ai!
[12:51] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:51] <Kilos> you too mazal 
[13:16] <psyatw> the funny thing is that most windows software I used until a few years ago still worked on windows xp from 12 years ago
[14:13] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[14:19] <Kilos> hmm... frightened her off!
[14:19] <Kilos> naughty me
[14:21] <charl_> ok this is extremely weird
[14:22] <charl_> a week or so ago i attempted to upgrade my server from ubuntu 13.04 to ubuntu 13.10
[14:22] <charl_> the upgrade succeeded but then i discovered a really strange problem - after some repeated nmap scans i end up with random high-numbered tcp ports showing as open
[14:23] <charl_> i got spooked and reverted the server back to a clean install of 13.04
[14:23] <charl_> now i did a clean install of ubuntu 13.10 amd64 desktop inside a virtual machine
[14:23] <charl_> same thing - does anyone know what the heck is up here ?!?!
[14:24] <Kilos> not because it uses places like amazon and so in searching mode charl_ 
[14:25] <Kilos> i dunno if that changed
[14:25] <charl_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289301/
[14:25] <Kilos> saw  it in 13.04 i think
[14:25] <charl_> there's a paste, for those of you who think i'm losing it :)
[14:26] <Kilos> someone will tell you im sure
[14:27] <Kilos> is it 54988 open ports?
[14:27] <charl_> no that is the number of one open port
[14:27] <charl_> the rest of the ports are closed
[14:28] <charl_> right above it says: Not shown: 65535 closed ports
[14:28] <charl_> i have never seen some weirdness
[14:28] <charl_> *such
[14:28] <Kilos> so 8 open
[14:29] <charl_> yeah but they keep opening and closing rapidly
[14:29] <charl_> you can see there, the results changed in the period of a few seconds
[14:29] <charl_> the other thing i don't understand is why nothing shows up on netstat -tulpen
[14:30] <Kilos> ask this on #glug.za i think it is
[14:30] <Kilos> they mostly net guys i think and some from here too
[14:31] <charl_> here's some more http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289324/
[14:31] <Kilos> maybe frosty knows
[14:31] <charl_> lemme do some proper googling and see if i can find something, otherwise i'm hitting up #ubuntu
[14:38] <Kilos> lol you struggle to keep up there
[14:41] <charl_> ok posted the details, now waiting for a response (lol)
[14:43] <charl_> ok found out something new, i did some repeated scans with and without sudo
[14:43] <charl_> i only seem to have a problem *without* sudo
[14:43] <charl_> this could be an nmap bug in fact
[14:43] <charl_> but it's strange that it only popped up now
[14:43] <Kilos> ah
[14:43] <charl_> i'm wondering if i should report it to them
[14:45] <Kilos> yes man
[14:45] <charl_> wb maiatoday 
[14:45] <Kilos> so it doesnt go to 14.04
[14:48] <charl_> ok i'll ask on the #nmap channel a bit later if i don't get any responses on #ubuntu
[14:49] <Kilos> isnt the a ubuntu dev channel
[14:52] <Kilos> just make sure its fixed before i get 14.04
[14:52] <charl_> it isn't too serious (i guess) because nmap is a tool used by very few people
[14:53] <Kilos> just run gufw so you can block all incoming
[14:53] <charl_> no i definitely don't want to go and run some firewall app
[14:53] <charl_> i belong to the firewalls are evil (well, mostly) school
[14:53] <Kilos> open ports are bad news
[14:53] <Kilos> lotsa bad peeps out there
[14:54] <charl_> open ports were a big issue in the late-90's when you had the first real firewall fad
[14:54] <charl_> that was a particular problem with windows hosts at the time because windows security was uber lame
[14:54] <Kilos> inetpro, comments?
[14:55] <charl_> now windows has a firewall that is enabled by default (and it also needs it) but on ubuntu all ports (should) be closed on a default install
[14:55] <charl_> the only time when you have open ports is when you actually go and install server applications
[14:56] <charl_> and even so if you only want to use them for local purposes you (should be able to) get them to bind to the local loopback interface *only*
[14:56] <Kilos> here is one of his commands i saved and didnt lose
[14:56] <Kilos> netstat -an | grep LISTEN
[14:56] <charl_> that's what netstat -tulpen is for
[14:56] <charl_> then you don't need grep
[14:56] <Kilos> oh
[14:57] <Kilos> i got this one too 
[14:57] <charl_> although i think -tulpen gives you a little more
[14:57] <Kilos> sudo netstat -ntulp
[14:57] <charl_> yup that is the exact same
[14:57] <Kilos> ah
[14:57] <charl_> except i added the e switch
[14:58] <charl_> i always type "tulpen" because we grow a huge amount of those here in the netherlands
[14:58] <Kilos> im lost with all these funny things but save them anyway
[14:58] <Kilos> tulips?
[14:59] <charl_> yes they are called tulips in english, in dutch they are called "tulpen"
[15:00] <charl_> i'm looking at netstat -an now but that gives you all the unix sockets too
[15:00] <Kilos> on a server i would use a firewall
[15:01] <charl_> if you need a firewall on a server, you're probably doing something wrong, except on a few exceptionary cases
[15:01] <Kilos> im sure your win8 mate is still trying to prove linux is no good
[15:01] <charl_> for example, if you run a daemon like memcache
[15:03] <charl_> memcache basically has no authentication or security whatsoever, or in any case, it didn't used to last when i used it
[15:04] <charl_> i like this purple background with the tree in front that ubuntu 13.10 ships with, it's a pity it's not the default
[15:05] <Kilos> hehe
[15:05] <Kilos> you using gui on a server?
[15:05] <charl_> no i installed ubuntu desktop inside a vm here on my workstation
[15:05] <Kilos> ah
[15:06] <charl_> you can run X on a server with openssh X11 forwarding
[15:06] <charl_> quite handy if you need to install backwards gui-only software that you can't install at the terminal
[15:07] <Kilos> oh havent they dropped x yet
[15:07] <charl_> i read about the new display server but couldn't be bothered to even find out about it
[15:07] <Kilos> there was talk about it
[15:07] <charl_> we've been running x for so long now it's hard to imagine it not being there, but i'm not against change
[15:07] <Kilos> hehe
[15:08] <charl_> http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/
[15:09] <charl_> "Mir is a next generation display server targeted as a replacement for the X window server system to unlock next-generation user experiences for devices ranging from Linux desktop to mobile devices powered by Ubuntu. The primary purpose of Mir is to enable the development of the next generation Unity."
[15:09] <charl_> i don't care about unity so i don't care about mir either
[15:09] <charl_> next generation user experience... what complete and utter marketing drivel
[15:10] <Kilos> haha
[15:10] <Kilos> they must have big plans for unity man
[15:10] <Kilos> they dont do stuff just for fun
[15:11] <charl_> innovation is good but i get the feeling they are overinnovating
[15:11] <charl_> but let's face it, user interfaces suck as they are right now, and we need standardisation
[15:12] <Kilos> they need to make something that works on all mobiles and pcs
[15:12] <charl_> also so that as a programmer you can create a single application and have it used transparently across all devices
[15:12] <charl_> the application needs to automatically adapt to the device it's running on
[15:13] <Kilos> maybe they think mir is the best way to do that because of X probs in the past
[15:13] <Kilos> i remember needing to run some xrandr command sometime
[15:14] <charl_> i have had very few issues with x in recent years
[15:14] <Kilos> no reply from #ubuntu yet?
[15:14] <charl_> nope
[15:14] <Kilos> ya its got better
[15:15] <charl_> oh here's the long story https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec#Motivation_-_Why_Mir.3F
[15:16] <charl_> interesting... i guess i kind of get it
[15:21] <charl_> the new kubuntu 13.10 runs really fast whow
[15:21] <charl_> kde 4.11.2 - what a joy to use
[19:02] <inetpro> good mornings
[19:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:10] <Kilos> lo inetpro skuus man
[19:10] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[19:11] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[19:11] <psychicist> hi inetpro 
[19:12]  * inetpro thought Kilos had gone to sleep already
[19:12] <inetpro> hi psychicist
[19:13] <Kilos> nope trying to fix an 80g drive that is seriously messed
[19:13] <inetpro> ai!
[19:13] <Kilos> first 5m got many bad sectors
[19:13] <inetpro> throw it away
[19:14] <Kilos> no man , its reader and drive work fine. one day ill get another same drive with dead reader or drive
[19:15] <Kilos> i wish you peeps that throw away so easy will send me all the throw aways
[19:16] <Kilos> you know i like fixing broken things
[19:17] <Kilos> im not a new parts fitter
[19:18] <Kilos> you like these new adds on tv. guy and chick riding in his jeep and a bird craps on the windscreen so he complains now he has to buy a new car
[19:20] <inetpro> tv ad? 
[19:20] <inetpro> what is that?
[19:21] <Kilos> advertisement on the idiot box
[19:21] <inetpro> ai!
[19:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:21]  * inetpro has an old broken idiot box lying around in the garage for the last number of years
[19:22] <inetpro> best thing that ever happened
[19:22] <Kilos> lol
[19:47] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:47]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[19:47] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee time
[19:47] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[19:47] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[19:48] <Kilos> now i can go sleep after i get my coffee
[19:49] <inetpro> ai!
[19:50] <Kilos> what now
[19:51] <inetpro> you sleep after having coffee?
[19:51] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[19:51] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[19:51] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[19:51] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[19:51] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:51] <Kilos> Maaz, rusks please
[19:51] <Maaz> behind the calender on top of the fridge, but dont tell everyone Kilos
[19:52]  * Kilos dunks and enjoys
[19:52] <Kilos> doop n ouma doop n ouma
[19:52] <inetpro> :-)
[19:56] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya morrow