[00:00] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: mount it with noatime
[00:00] <To0Ls> Okay, how do I do that?
[00:00] <Dr_Willis> !fstab
[00:00] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: doh, never read your full question   ... pastebin your fstab
[00:01] <Dr_Willis>  UUID=cdb2e15c-db7c-4ba8-a392-e781111c5b42 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[00:01] <Dr_Willis> errors=remount,noattime,otheroptions
[00:01] <Dr_Willis> if you allready got a fstab entry :)
[00:01] <LividJava> Dr_Willis: How Do I Load Windows 8 while running along side ubuntu
[00:01] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, I clone everything and have all recovery or install iso's, not really into asking for help.
[00:01] <To0Ls> ok sure...  here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/405T6mFM       and here is my UUID for the card: UUID="9016-4EF8"
[00:01] <Dr_Willis> LividJava:  at the grub boot menu you select your OS.
[00:01] <To0Ls> @hitsujiTMO : thanks a lot
[00:02] <F41l> Question, I have a little eeepc, and I'm trying to install ubuntu. Though the installer says I need 6.3gigs of free space, though the hard drive in the system is 4GB. I don't intend on keeping much of any files on the system, just mainly for web browsing. Is there a way I can bypass this and install anyway?
[00:02] <LividJava> ?? Grub Rood Menu??
[00:02] <Dr_Willis> !grub | LividJava
[00:02] <To0Ls> @hitsujiTMO as you can see, I also tried to add noatime to my other two partitions as well... hope i did that right
[00:02] <wilee-nilee> F41l, use the mini net install, and load the base then a light desktop.
[00:03] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: looks grand, but do you have a mount point for the sdcard?
[00:03] <pfifo> I dont backup anything
[00:03] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO: Nope, I just bought and and put it in. Haven't done anything to it yet.
[00:04] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: what filesystem is the sdcard ... please run: sudo mkdir /mnt/sdcard
[00:04] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO: I just want to use it for music and whatnot... it's paritioned as pre-formatted as FAT32
[00:05] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :   I ran: sudo mkdir /mnt/sdcard , but nothing happened in terminal
[00:05] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: you cant set noatime for fat32 ...
[00:05] <To0Ls> ok, should I format it as ntfs or ext4?
[00:06] <hitsujiTMO> ext2
[00:06] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  what do you plan on doing with it?
[00:06] <To0Ls> Dr_Willis : just using in in Ubuntu, always in the card reader, to store music, pictures, videos... etc
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  it might be a good idea to read up on the !mount and !fstab factoids. mounting filesystmes is a rather basic skill you should learn.
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> its not very complex
[00:07] <To0Ls> Dr_Willis : mmm okay
[00:07] <katkiss> I am quite new to linux. I have recently cleaned installed Ubuntu to my old laptop which I am typing on, but I put Mint 15 on a usb flash stick and need a little help in internet connection. How do i talk to them on live chat? I went to that site you said earlier. Sorry, a little more help here, pertty please.
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> and is VERY handy for system recovery ;)
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> katkiss:  the mint homepage should point you to their irc channel
[00:07] <Dr_Willis> !ming
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> !mint
[00:08] <To0Ls> dr_willis should I just good !fstab and !mount?
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> their irc server is irc.spotchat.org   katkiss
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> !fstab | To0Ls
[00:08] <katkiss> oh... O will look a little better.   THANKS1
[00:08] <To0Ls> ty
[00:08] <Dr_Willis> !mount | To0Ls
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  TOP newbie mistake.. the mountpoint (directory) MUST exist befor you mount a filesystem top it.
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> to it
[00:09] <pfifo> katkist type '/server irc.spotchat.org' and then '/join #linuxmint-help'
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  if you use ext2/3/4 you will need to chown/chmod the sdcard after its mounted to allow the user full access
[00:09] <Dr_Willis> !permissions | To0Ls
[00:10] <To0Ls> ok, thanks
[00:10] <To0Ls> :)
[00:10] <pfifo> Dr_Willis: when we make our distro, we should set xchat to connect users to our chatroom instead of here
[00:11] <Rallias> How would I apply the sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward to only certain interfaces, such as tap2 and xenbr0, and not br1?
[00:11] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6286091/     so you sdcard should be found at /mnt/sdcard
[00:11] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  i often tell the mint users to file a bug to that affect against the mint xchat client
[00:12] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO: Okay, thanks... I'll replace that as my fstab and then i just format my SD card to ext2, yes?
[00:12] <To0Ls> or to whatever i want
[00:12] <To0Ls> and then change it accordingly in the file
[00:14] <jeffrey_f> quick question: where does the file that networkmanager uses for wireless connections live and what is the file name?  I want to replicate it on a few systems I use.
[00:17] <hitsujiTMO_> To0Ls: did you get my paste? just dc'd as i sent it
[00:17] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : yes, I got it. thanks.. I will replace /etc/fstab with that and then what would I need to do?
[00:18] <jumfernandez> Dr_Willis i not found anything in askubuntu.com , i don't know what to do
[00:18] <To0Ls> format the SD card as etx2?
[00:18] <sisterFister> hello there. Would anyone have any ideas as to why the letter spacing in my terminal is all weird? Some letters overlap, others are too far away.
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> format then: mount -a
[00:18] <matthew22> Alay I do t
[00:18] <matthew22> Alay I don't have Internet
[00:18] <matthew22> So any other suggestions?
[00:20] <To0Ls> sigh
[00:21] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : I replaced the /etc/fstab, then I formatted the SD card to Ext2, and then I typed sudo mount -a in terminal
[00:21] <cvtsx> Herro
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: goto /mnt/sdcard
[00:22] <jumfernandez> i need help sorry :S i don't know what to do
[00:22] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : I'm there
[00:23] <matthew22> My /dev/sda doesn't contain a valid partion table what do I do?
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> actually, first type: mount     to ensure its mounted
[00:23] <irssi-mike> acroread keeps telling me no printer connected even tho i can print in browser, what can i do?
[00:23] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : just type mount in terminal??
[00:23] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: yes
[00:24] <pfifo> irssi-mike: go paperless
[00:24] <irssi-mike> pfifo: wish i could but it's a postage with barcode
[00:24] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : i don't see it there
[00:24] <matthew22> How can I fix the exec grid install /dev/sda without an isn't
[00:24] <matthew22> Without an Internet connection
[00:25] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : it dissapeared under devices after i formatted it to Ext2
[00:25] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: whats output of: blkid
[00:25] <pfifo> irssi-mike: from cli try 'lpr document.pdf'
[00:25] <irssi-mike> pfifo: kthnx i'll try that now
[00:26] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : http://pastebin.com/0R1Tip7Y
[00:26] <To0Ls> not sure why it says vfat
[00:27] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: it was prob not formatted correctly, try again
[00:27] <jumfernandez> help please :S
[00:28] <icefairy> Morning everyone
[00:30] <icefairy> ...
[00:30] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : I went into Disks, it's not letting me format it
[00:30] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : It doesn't show up under Devices anymore
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  easier to use the cli tools
[00:31] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: make sure its not mounted ( use the stop button )
[00:31]  * allard walks
[00:31] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  and if you used the right click/eject/unmount thing it might have powered down the hub/device - remove/reinsert it may bring it back if 'sudo blkid' dosent show it
[00:32] <Matthew22_> My disk when I style duo Fisk -l doesn't contain a valid partition table
[00:32] <jumfernandez> Dr_Willis, not appear nothing, please help me :S
[00:32] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : okay, one second
[00:32] <Matthew22_> What do I do to fix that so I can install ubuntu
[00:33] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: try gpart or testdisk
[00:33] <Dr_Willis> jumfernandez:  ask the channel for help. npot specific people. Im not paid to be your personal-support-trainer.  and i am at work where i AM getting paid to work on other things
[00:33] <Matthew22_> Ok in gpart what should i do?
[00:34] <Dr_Willis> bbl - got a job to do.
[00:34] <jumfernandez> sorry Dr_Willis
[00:34] <jumfernandez> i don't know to do, sorry
[00:34] <naxil> people i have powerpc-eabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or director
[00:34] <naxil> but i have cc1
[00:34] <naxil> why can't link to it?
[00:35] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : I formatted it back to FAT32 so it's recognized again... put it back in my computer, then I unmount it and click Format... and I try to format as Ext2
[00:35] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : but then it says: Creation of file system type Ext2 is not supported (udisks-error-quark, 11)
[00:35] <Jackson88438> is there any tools under ubuntu to burn windows 7 into bootable usb stick?
[00:35] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: whats output of mount
[00:37] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : http://pastebin.com/Hd08Lkuu
[00:37] <newbie> oo
[00:37] <newbie> hola ayuda
[00:37] <newbie> no puedo actualizar
[00:37] <newbie> :C
[00:37] <newbie> puse
[00:37] <FloodBot1> newbie: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:37] <Guest52896> sudo su primero me identifike y despues puso sudo apt-get update
[00:38] <Matthew22_> Hitsujitmo.  This is what it looks like http://tinypic.com/r/6fmmx5/5
[00:38] <Guest52896> y me sale E: No se pudo bloquear /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11: Recurso no disponible temporalmente) E: No se pudo bloquear el directorio /var/lib/apt/lists/ E: No se pudo bloquear /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Recurso no disponible temporalmente)
[00:38] <Matthew22_> What do I do now?
[00:38] <Guest52896> eso
[00:38] <grout_> in 13.10 did they remove the abilty to blank screen when laptop lid is closed?
[00:39] <Matthew22_> What do you think?
[00:39] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: sudo mke2fs /dev/mmcblk0p1
[00:40] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : okay, done
[00:40] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : now how do i mount it again?
[00:40] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: sudo mount -a
[00:42] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :okay... it's done.. and mounted
[00:42] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : should that be it?
[00:43] <Matthew22_> This is hard
[00:43] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: just change ownership of /mnt/sdcard to you
[00:44] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :  how do i do that?
[00:44] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :  sudo chown yourusername /media/disk/
[00:44] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  sudo chown user:user /the/mount/point
[00:44] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :  thanks for everything
[00:45] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :  you are the best
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> this has to be done AFTER its mounted. ;)
[00:45] <Dr_Willis> if the card was using  vfat, or ntfs, it would take differnt approach  to get it owned by your user
[00:46] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO :  sudo chow chris:chris /dev/mmcblk0 ?
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> To0Ls:  the mouuntpoint. NOT the device.
[00:46] <To0Ls> ahhh
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> totally differnt 'thins' ;)
[00:46] <Dr_Willis> thins
[00:47] <Dr_Willis> thinGs
[00:47] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: no, the mount point is /mnt/sdcard       sudo chown chris:chris /mnt/sdcard
[00:47] <Dr_Willis> that chown command is channgeing the ownership of the ROOT of the filesystem on that sdcard.
[00:47] <To0Ls> done.. lots of work.. thanks for everything
[00:47] <Dr_Willis> ifyou wanted to . you could set up specific directories on the sd card owned by the user instead
[00:48] <To0Ls> thank you hitsujitmo :)
[00:48] <hitsujiTMO> To0Ls: np
[00:48] <To0Ls> and dr_willis
[00:48] <Dr_Willis> lots of work? ;) like a 60 sec job. heh..
[00:48] <To0Ls> for a linux joke like me it's a lot of work
[00:48] <Darkangel> Is Ubuntu Good for Servers?
[00:48] <Dr_Willis> with lots of pitfalls for people to fall into
[00:49] <jmgk> hi Dr_Willis
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> Darkangel:  its used by a lot of people for server tasks
[00:49] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: close gparted  ...   i said gpart :P not gparted :P
[00:49] <Darkangel> cool
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> Jello jmgk
[00:49] <jmgk> hi
[00:49] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: so you lost the partition table for a drive?
[00:49] <Dr_Willis> Darkangel:  what are you serveing?
[00:49] <jumfernandez> i have an ubuntu version in a desktop pc, and i have an usb wifi adaptador brand TP-LINK WN8200ND with a chipset brand REALTEK rtl8192cu, and i can't make it work. I've tried everything, ndiswrapper, driver's linux and when i put 'lsusb' not recognize and when i put 'iwconfig' not appear 'wlan0'
[00:49] <Darkangel> nothin quite yet
[00:50] <Matthew22_> Umm idk, I'm so confused
[00:50] <Darkangel> dont have a Server for now but might help Ubuntu Company with it if they need it
[00:50] <Jackson88438> a distupgrade means 12.04 to 14.04
[00:50] <Jackson88438> ?
[00:50] <D|nA> man apt-get
[00:50] <Matthew22_> I have 1 hard drive on my computer it lists it as sda and sdb and a flash drive
[00:50] <D|nA> Jackson88438,
[00:51] <fugitive> how do i fix: you do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. I have run 'nvidia-xconfig'
[00:51] <jjosh> i've been posting this q for a while now? any idea when they are gonna fix the menu issue with eclipse kepler?
[00:51] <Matthew22_> I'm trying to uninstall Ubuntu 13.10 and I don't have gpart, only gpart we
[00:51] <hanasaki> what video driver should the i7 4770k use ?
[00:51] <jjosh> is there a plan?
[00:51] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: what was that error you were getting again?
[00:51] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/246236/compile-and-install-rtl8192cu-driver
[00:52] <Anonynimity> hey, how do I manually add a gpg key like 012TR321 in ubuntu?
[00:52] <jjosh> eclipse kepler menu ... anybody know anything about it?
[00:52] <Matthew22_> Here is the error http://tinypic.com/r/29o60r9/5
[00:52] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/246236/compile-and-install-rtl8192cu-driver   jumfernandez  says that driver has issues. and details how to compile and install the newer version.
[00:52] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: uninstall?    you cant uninstall an operating system. you can install an operating system in place
[00:53] <hanasaki> nyone know how to get a decode on mcelog errors?a
[00:53] <cvtsx> i uninstall i wantz 2
[00:53] <jumfernandez> thanks Dr_Willis
[00:53] <jjosh> eclipse kepler?
[00:53] <cvtsx> Best ide for ubuntu (c++)
[00:53] <jjosh> im gonna spam now
[00:53] <bazzer> hey whatever happened to rtorrent's rtorrent.rc example in /usr/share/doc/rtorrent/examples ?
[00:53] <Matthew22_> Ok so what should I do first to get this to work.
[00:53] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: how old is the hard drive?
[00:54] <Dr_Willis> !find rtorrent.rc
[00:54] <Dr_Willis> !info rtgui
[00:54] <bazzer> oh that's logical :S
[00:54] <Matthew22_> Umm 5 years
[00:54] <Matthew22_> I really do t know
[00:55] <cvtsx> Best ide for ubuntu (c++)
[00:55] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: its possible it could be on its lasts legs if it was having trouble installing grub.   ( not saying it is )
[00:55] <cvtsx> Mathew22_: Get a ssd
[00:55] <Matthew22_> I don't think so it works fine
[00:55] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: you in the live cd now?
[00:55] <jjosh> eclipse kepler menu ??? its not working, i found a hack but prefer to wait until there is a proper fix for it, but there is no followups on that one
[00:56] <jjosh> and nobody is interested in fixing it
[00:56] <Matthew22_> Yes I'm in the live cd now
[00:56] <cvtsx> Mathew22_: Get a ssd or buy a 64gb thumb drive
[00:56] <cvtsx> honestly i prefer live cd over hdd
[00:56] <hitsujiTMO> cvtsx thats not being helpful
[00:56] <cvtsx> :(
[00:57] <jjosh> am i friggin invisible here?
[00:58] <cvtsx> jjosh whats your question?
[00:58] <Guest24520> i am trying to upgrade to 13.10
[00:58] <jjosh> eclipse kepler menu is not working
[00:58] <RedefinedClank> !ubuntugnome
[00:58] <jjosh> and i need that version of eclipse .. for work related reasons
[00:58] <Guest24520> on my laptop but it says canot calculate packages
[00:58] <RedefinedClank> !ubuntu-gnome
[00:58] <Matthew22_> So what now?....
[00:59] <Guest24520> !ubuntu-gnome
[00:59] <jjosh> just wanted to know if they are working on it, or shall i install any other distro to get it to work?
[01:00] <bazzer> Dr_Willis: thanks btw
[01:00] <cvtsx> jjsoh: honestly idk
[01:00] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: ok, open the terminal and can you pastebin the output of: lsblk
[01:00] <jjosh> thanks man
[01:01] <jjosh> people are not even responding .. its just frustrating
[01:01] <cvtsx> jjosh: can i ask what kind of work you are doing?
[01:02] <wylde> jjosh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eclipse/+bug/1208019/comments/8 <-- may be of help?
[01:02] <unicornjedi> Can someone help me with compiz?
[01:03] <jjosh> thank you! i do java applicaiton development
[01:03] <Matthew22_> Hitsujitmo.   http://tinypic.com/r/4lm82b/5
[01:03] <Matthew22_> There
[01:03] <To0Ls> hitsujiTMO : when I restarted my computer, it said the SD card was not ready to be mounted... s to skip or m to manual check
[01:03] <jjosh> will try that , and i really would like to get global menu working on ubuntu
[01:03] <unicornjedi> can someone please help me with compiz>?
[01:03] <wylde> !details | unicornjedi
[01:04] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, tell the channel the problems for help
[01:04] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: In ubuntu 13.10 I set the compiz settings to default. Now when I start up my computer compiz doesnt work
[01:04] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: type: sudo apt-get install smartmontools
[01:05] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, try this and do a reboot. http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/08/reset-unity-and-compiz-in-ubuntu-13-10/
[01:05] <Matthew22_> I don't have Internet hitsujitmo
[01:06] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: can you not connect to wifi from live cd?
[01:06] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, I assume here you have the correct graphic drivers and you have had a working setup at one point.
[01:07] <Matthew22_> Boom not
[01:07] <Matthew22_> No I'm not
[01:07] <Matthew22_> My wireless USB didn't work yet
[01:07] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: That's right. It stopped working when I set compiz to the default setting
[01:07] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: crap    ...    ok lets try and go straight to fix then
[01:07] <Matthew22_> Ok, I'm ready
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, some times messing with compiz needs a restart of it, a logout or reboot.
[01:08] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: I rebooted my computer but it still doesn't work :/
[01:08] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, try the reset
[01:08] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: mkdir /mnt/sda1 /mnt/sda2 /mnt/sda5
[01:09] <kichigai> Hey all. I've got me a quirky problem: last apt-get upgrade I ran broke my Broadcom 4401 10/100 Ethernet adapter. The right kernel module is loaded, but the adapter isn't showing up. I'm using 12.04 LTS with kernel 3.8.0
[01:09] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: Also when I try to launch the gnome tutorial
[01:09] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: sorry, that should be: mkdir /mnt/sda1 /mnt/sda2 /mnt/sda5
[01:09] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: sorry, that should be: sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 /mnt/sda2 /mnt/sda5
[01:09] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: OOps I mean, When I try to launch the gnome-terminal it wont show up after compiz broke
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, meaning the link 5 gave you?
[01:09] <wilee-nilee> I*
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, try ctrl-alt-t for the terminakl
[01:10] <Matthew22_> Permission denied hitsujitmo
[01:10] <Matthew22_> Wouldn't let me
[01:10] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: sorry, that should be: sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 /mnt/sda2 /mnt/sda5
[01:10] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: thats what I did. It wont show up
[01:10] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, YOu have any other desktops installed?
[01:10] <Matthew22_> Same thing
[01:10] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: should I press ctrl+alt+f1 for the full screen terminal
[01:11] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, That would work
[01:11] <Matthew22_> Permssion denied
[01:12] <Matthew22_> Right now everything in sda and sdb isnunallocated btw
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> kichigai, Have you tried a reboot?
[01:12] <Matthew22_> Is un a
[01:12] <Matthew22_> Is un allocated
[01:12] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: okay Im going to boot into ubuntu now. THanks for the help!
[01:12] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, I would reboot from the tty myself
[01:12] <Matthew22_> Btw when I did sudo, it say ps it already exists
[01:12] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: how would I do that?
[01:13] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi sudo stop lightdm ; sudo reboot
[01:13] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: try: sudo mkdir -p /mnt/sda1 /mnt/sda2 /mnt/sda5
[01:14] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee: what does lightdm do?
[01:14] <Matthew22_> Nothing happens hitsujitmo
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> unicornjedi, it is the window manger turn off the desktop
[01:14] <wilee-nilee> turns*
[01:15] <hitsujiTMO> good: now try: sudo /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[01:15] <hitsujiTMO> good: now try: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[01:15] <unicornjedi> wilee-nilee:okay I'm going to try it out! :)
[01:15] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: sorry, must be getting tired :P ... try: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
[01:16] <Matthew22_> Advice does not exist
[01:16] <Matthew22_> Devise
[01:16] <Matthew22_> Device
[01:17] <Matthew22_> Here is the new lsblk http://tinypic.com/r/m9956d/5
[01:17] <Matthew22_> There is not 5 or 2 in there anymore.....
[01:17] <olimazi> hey dudes, got a weird problem in 13.10
[01:17] <olimazi> I have had 13.10 and Win 7 dualbooting for about a week now - everything was perfect. Yesterday - I select Ubuntu from the grub menu - usb keyboard is lit. Right after the selection - keyboard goes dark - ubuntu splash screen, then login screen - no keyboard or mouse. The KB works fine in Win7 and was working fine in ubuntu - until now. What gives? Haven't made any bios changes - usb legacy was always enables. I'm at a loss - why wou
[01:18] <wilee-nilee> 14.04 runs nicely, mostly 13.10 but can be installed from a daily
[01:18] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: did you do anything to the drive?
[01:18] <Matthew22_> A
[01:18] <Matthew22_> Not gh
[01:18] <Matthew22_> Not that I know of
[01:18] <to0Ls> hitsujiTMO : it's saying The disc drive for /mnt/sdcard  is not ready yet or not present when I boot... any idea why?
[01:19] <Infandum> Does anyone know how to enable high dpi mode in Gnome 3.10 in Ubuntu 13.10?
[01:19] <wilee-nilee> olimazi, I had 13.10 default to the gnome fallback once today with autologin set and gnome as the de, have you tried this more than once?
[01:20] <Matthew22_> What do you think I should do now?....
[01:20] <Brochacho> Are you trying to change the DPI of the font?
[01:20] <linuxuz3r> how do i update ubuntu without uninstalling chrome
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> Infandum, 3.10 is a ppa and not supported
[01:20] <jumfernandez_> sorry Dr_Willis i read the link you give me, and when i compile says 'the script complete' but appears too : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6286348/
[01:20] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: ok, try the the installer again ... but kinda looks like the hdd is dieing
[01:20] <Infandum> wilee-nilee: I guess that's a no
[01:21] <Brochacho> You don't have to uninstall Chrome to update
[01:21] <linuxuz3r> it shows if i click on the update menu it says cant update because of untrusted sources google-chrome?
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> Infandum, You might get help, but just a heads up is all
[01:21] <Matthew22_> Oh.....
[01:21] <olimazi> wilee-tried what more than once
[01:21] <linuxuz3r> wilee-nilee, can you help
[01:21] <Brochacho> Just run upgrade from a command line
[01:22] <Infandum> wilee-nilee: Sounds good! Here's hoping
[01:22] <Brochacho> or in other words open your terminal and do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> linuxuz3r, pastebin the output from thise commands
[01:23] <hanasaki> does someone have a new version of mcelog on their box?  I only have oooold versions of the os and need to check a mce decode please.
[01:24] <wilee-nilee> olimazi, guess, lol
[01:24] <hitsujiTMO> to0Ls: the sd might be getting initialised late, try changing the options to: rw,async,user,auto,noatime
[01:24] <lee__> I have installed a usb wifi   driver,but I have to  run sudo insmod 8188eu.ko  after reboot  . and the usb wifi will work.     anyone can  help me ?
[01:24] <s1lence> Hello, I updated to Ubuntu 13.10 and accidentally kicked the power strip my computer was plugged into while updating. I managed to boot in recovery mode but with the kernel 3.11 i get a kernel panic, It looks like my fstab file got corrupted and so i can't mount the disk in read/right mode. I need help.
[01:25] <wilee-nilee> olimazi, What is the problem, no keybaofrd at login, hmm now what would be the try again.
[01:25] <Brochacho> s1lence what's the output of cat /etc/fstab ?
[01:25] <olimazi> no kb/mose at login - tried 5 times
[01:26] <olimazi> works in grub boot menu then turns off
[01:26] <to0Ls> k brb, reboot
[01:26] <Brochacho> also, a corrupt fstab shouldn't cause a kernel panic
[01:26] <hitsujiTMO> to0ls if that doesnt work try changing from the uuid to the device itself ... /dev/mmcXXXXXXX   whatever the full device name is (get from lsblk)
[01:26] <Matthew22_> Anahahahahahaha it worked!!!!! Thank you solo much!!!!!!!!!
[01:26] <wilee-nilee> olimazi, cool, I don't know the answer, it seemed like an error that was similar,abstractly, to what happened to me
[01:26] <Matthew22_> It's restarting now
[01:27] <s1lence> Brochacho: the output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6286367/
[01:27] <Matthew22_> I lied.... It didn't work
[01:27] <s1lence> Brochacho: the error message says that it can't mount root on unkown block (0,0)
[01:27] <olimazi> abstractly?
[01:28] <Matthew22_> Brides stripe array failed
[01:28] <wilee-nilee> s1lence, Have you tried an earlier kernel?
[01:28] <Brochacho> @s1lence try mounting it manually
[01:28] <hitsujiTMO> Matthew22_: find a live cd with smartmontools and use that to check the hard drive ... it could be dieing
[01:28] <s1lence> wilee-nilee: yes, with older kernels it gives me read mode but locks up if i try to mount in read/wright. Brochacho i have tried.
[01:29] <s1lence> if i use recoverymode
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> !tab | Brochacho
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> !tab
[01:29] <wilee-nilee> Brochacho, heh bots not running very fast, you can tab complete nicks
[01:30] <Brochacho> s1lence: Not sure then man, have you tried something like rw,relatime,data=ordered on your options?
[01:30] <Matthew22_> Ok I will thx for the help
[01:30] <s1lence> Brochacho: i don't know what those things are xD
[01:31] <Brochacho> s1lence: In your /etc/fstab file on line 10 where it says 'errors=remount-ro'
[01:31] <wilee-nilee> s1lence, I would boot a live dvd/usb and backup whats there that you can before you mess with it to much, chances are you will be doing a new install anyway.
[01:32] <Brochacho> s1lence: or what wilee-nilee said
[01:34] <s1lence> wilee-nilee: already did, i'm running on systemrescuecd right now. Brochacho my fstab is broken it has "^@ ^@" on line 13 where mount exits with an error
[01:35] <wilee-nilee> s1lence, Cool, good job, most here don't backup or think of the possibilities of their actions.
[01:35] <Brochacho> s1lence: I really don't know what you could run to generate a new fstab, sorry
[01:35] <Brochacho> s1lence: other than writing it yourself
[01:36] <s1lence> i guess i will have to learn that, I also don't know if i can even mount my hdd in read/write
[01:36] <s1lence> to fix the fstab
[01:36] <hitsujiTMO> Brochacho: s1lence the installer is pretty good at generating fstabs :P   without know exactly what damage was done its best just to begin a clean install
[01:36] <Brochacho> s1lence: You should be able to if you're running a live image but as a few others have said you might just be better of reinstalling
[01:37] <s1lence> I guess so ;_;
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> s1lence, Not sure the fstab is the problem, but a chroot from a live enviroment and nano /etc/fstab would give you access
[01:37] <s1lence> thank you wilee-nilee!
[01:37] <wilee-nilee> if writable from there
[01:38] <s1lence> i may just re-install and back up my fstab xD
[01:38] <Brochacho> s1lence: The point of reinstalling is to get rid of that fstab and the problems it caused
[01:38] <reisio> a broken fstab would not be a good reason to reinstall
[01:39] <reisio> takes moments to fix such a thing
[01:39] <s1lence> oh?
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> s1lence, there are kernel modifications probably from grub, I don't know them without a google search
[01:39] <Brochacho> s1lence: The fstab doesn't contain any information other than how to mount your drives on boot
[01:39] <Brochacho> s1lence: so anything you're looking to backup has nothing to do with a bad fstab
[01:39] <s1lence> Brochacho:i mean backing up the fstab after i re-install so if i break it again i have it xD
[01:39] <reisio> what's wrong with your fstab?
[01:39] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: the broken fstab is not the cause of the problem, kicking the power out during an upgrade is
[01:39] <reisio> a
[01:39] <Brochacho> s1lence: nah, don't worry about that
[01:40] <s1lence> reisio: line 13 is just ^@ ^@
[01:40] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: I do that on weekends, it's entertaining
[01:40] <reisio> s1lence: in what editor?
[01:40] <Brochacho> hitsujiTMO: the generation of his fstab was cut short by the power turning off, so the problem is his fstab
[01:40] <s1lence> and mount exits with an error on tha tline
[01:40] <s1lence> nano
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> reisio, A interrupted distro upgrade with a power loss and no read write, not sure you saw all the info, hopefully fixable, go for it.
[01:40] <reisio> some editors use funny symbols like that to show that there is line overflow (when not wrapping)
[01:40] <reisio> wilee-nilee: nope, I didn't
[01:40] <reisio> only commented on fstab
[01:41] <wilee-nilee> I'm clueless as usual
[01:41] <s1lence> I'll be right back.
[01:42] <Brochacho> s1lence: good luck
[01:42] <hitsujiTMO> Brochacho: thats prob not the only issue tho ... when writing to the file system data is cached to ram before actually being written. anything else could have been happening at the same time
[01:43] <junpeo> hi all
[01:43] <gonyere> hi there, I've been asked to try the mainline kernel (3.12.x) on a system which is currently giving READ FDMA QUEUED errors
[01:43] <Brochacho> hitsujiTMO: He can't do a thing if his fstab is corrupt. The only way he'd be able to fix it is through a live image
[01:43] <gonyere> wondering if anyone can help me walk through how to download/install from the command line
[01:43] <reisio> junpeo: ohai
[01:43] <gonyere> (currently running ubuntu 13.04)
[01:44] <Brochacho> gonyere: what do you mean?
[01:44] <Ben64> gonyere: asked by who? thats not a normal thing to do on ubuntu
[01:44] <Brochacho> gonyere: put all the files in a directory and run dpkg -i *.deb
[01:44] <gonyere> Brochacho - Joseph Salisbury
[01:44] <Brochacho> gonyere: in the directory you put the files in that is
[01:45] <junpeo> Could I ask: I'm trying to connect to my cable modem diagnostics page and it's "hidden". I've tried a couple of things through network manager. help?
[01:45] <gonyere> Brochacho - should i just download from this system and then move them over via a usb stick?
[01:45] <Ben64> gonyere: its really not recommended and can cause much more problems
[01:45] <gonyere> would that be the easiest solution?
[01:45] <Brochacho> gonyere: If you're trying to install from mainline, yes
[01:45] <donavan01> I tried asking this is the Kubuntu channel but no one is talking ... I wondered if it was possible to combine the windows title bar and the tabs into the some thing when using Chrome like it is in windows
[01:45] <gonyere> Ben64 - the system is currently already unusable
[01:46] <Ben64> gonyere: well explain the problem here then, upgrading to a non-ubuntu kernel is not supported in this channel and you'll be on your own
[01:46] <gonyere> I'm on the verge of downloading some other distro - opensuse seems to run fine on this system, but ubuntu just seems to have bizzare issues
[01:46] <reisio> donavan01: ask #kde
[01:46] <reisio> donavan01: if they don't have a simple solution, then it'd be involved
[01:46] <Brochacho> gonyere: how old is your hardware?
[01:46] <hitsujiTMO> gonyere: where exactly were you asked to do this?
[01:46] <gonyere> 1-2yrs old
[01:46] <gonyere> via a emal/bug report
[01:46] <donavan01> thanks reisio
[01:47] <Brochacho> gonyere: that's odd then, not sure if upgrading to a different kernel will fix your problems
[01:47] <gonyere> yeah, i'm doubtful too but willing to try
[01:47] <gonyere> just wondering what the easiest way to do so is
[01:47] <Ben64> gonyere: how about you explain the problem here instead of trying something unsupported
[01:47] <s1lence> Here is my broken fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6286426/
[01:48] <s1lence> How do i generate a new one?
[01:48] <junpeo> Do I need to do something with a MAC address to see my modem?
[01:48] <Brochacho> s1lence: I'm really not sure. All this time could have been saved if you were willing to just reinstall
[01:48] <gonyere> its bizzare tho - after updating the system, for the 2nd time in about a month it's given me 'READ FDMA QUEUED' errors
[01:48] <Ben64> s1lence: pastebin "sudo blkid"
[01:48] <hitsujiTMO> sileht: just remove the last line ... the ^@^@
[01:48] <gonyere> the last time, I re-installed 13.10 and it worked for a couple weeks
[01:49] <gonyere> this time I installed 13.04 thinking there'd be less issues, and immediatly after allowing it to update system
[01:49] <gonyere> it gave me the same error (tho it now will at least boot, though I can only log in by dropping to command line)
[01:49] <Brochacho> hitsujiTMO: his options on the root directory don't look correct though
[01:49] <gonyere> i've just run sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade with the same result
[01:49] <reisio> s1lence: is that from cat /etc/fstab?
[01:50] <gonyere> Bug 1242325]
[01:50] <s1lence> no
[01:50] <Ben64> gonyere: where does the error appear
[01:50] <hitsujiTMO> Brochacho: those options are correct for 13.10
[01:50] <gonyere> Ben64 - during boot
[01:50] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, Hey this is unicornjedi
[01:50] <s1lence> reisio: no, that is a copy-paste from vi of it. i posted the cat earlier
[01:50] <gonyere> the last time it just cycled back through restarting
[01:50] <Brochacho> hitsujiTMO: ahh, wasn't aware
[01:50] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, what's up
[01:51] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, the Compiz thingy didn't work in the big terminal :(
[01:51] <Ben64> gonyere: did you add any 3rd party repositories, packages, or ppas?
[01:51] <gonyere> now at least it will boot and allow me to drop to command line w/o going through grub & the recovery mode
[01:51] <Sach> My Libreoffice writer doesnt seem to have a working dictionary.
[01:51] <reisio> s1lence: cat would be more reliable
[01:51] <Brochacho> cat on s1lence's fstab just cut the ^@^@
[01:51] <gonyere> just gnome3-team :D
[01:51] <s1lence> i just removed the characters from the fstab like you suggested hitsujiTMO.
[01:51] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, let me show you the error I got\
[01:51] <s1lence> i will try booting again
[01:51] <Ben64> gonyere: well maybe thats the problem
[01:51] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, Have you loaded any graphic drivers?
[01:51] <hitsujiTMO> Brochacho: the proc line is what looks odd to me   have not seen that before
[01:52] <gonyere> they work fine on my system
[01:52] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I know I have the right graphic drivers... but let me double check
[01:52] <wilee-nilee> gonyere, I would check the HD with the smart tool, and the partition table.
[01:52] <Ben64> gonyere: are you the one with the "husband's laptop"
[01:52] <junpeo> 192.168.100.1 will not show my modem., although it is pinging. Tried using customer-side address. Doh? 12.04
[01:52] <Brochacho> s1lence: try removeing the proc, line 8
[01:53] <Brochacho> junpeo: I'm not sure the problem you're having. Are you directly connected to your router?
[01:53] <junpeo> brochacho: yes
[01:53] <Brochacho> junpeo: Try running ip addr
[01:53] <gonyere> Ben64 yes
[01:53] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, Proprietary drivers from the manufacturer or the repos?
[01:54] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, Im using the X.org. X server AMD/ATI display driver wrapper
[01:54] <Ben64> gonyere: and the problem starting happening after getting the gnome3 ppa....
[01:54] <gonyere> Ben64 its a gateway something or other i bought for him a couple yrs ago now
[01:54] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, Ah a ppa, well that may be the problem, any reason why you went there?
[01:54] <gonyere> Ben64 no, it happens after updating the system whether I've added the ppa's or not
[01:54] <junpeo> brochacho: i ran it and got some numbers
[01:54] <Ben64> have you tried 12.04
[01:55] <gonyere> Ben64 yes, thats what it occured on first
[01:55] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I think I wanted the newest graphic drivers when I had an old Radeon 3xxx series
[01:55] <Brochacho> junpeo: Are you using ethernet or wifi?
[01:55] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, That ppa is considered as unstable.
[01:55] <junpeo> ethernet
[01:55] <loller> hello
[01:56] <gonyere> actually I take that back. back on 12.04 it constantly set the hd as read-only
[01:56] <gonyere> but opensuse worked fine on it for a year
[01:56] <Brochacho> junpeo: In that case in the eth0 line the IP should be associated with your router, is it?
[01:56] <gonyere> then he decided he wanted/wants steam
[01:56] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I disabled the ppa though
[01:56] <Ben64> gonyere: could be hard drive, hard drive connection, hard drive cable, ppa, or something weirder
[01:56] <gonyere> so I've attemtped to move him back to ubuntu, only now we're getting these equally strange errors
[01:56] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, disabling does not remove its packages.
[01:56] <Ben64> gonyere: sound like hard drive problems though
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> !ppa-purge | Elijah_
[01:57] <gonyere> i'd have thought his hdd was failing except that back on 12.04 my laptop (an equally then-new lenovo z470) gave the same errors
[01:57] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I ppa purged that joint
[01:57] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, I'm guessing here, however it might be worth a try.
[01:57] <gonyere> briefly
[01:57] <Ben64> gonyere: then you might be doing weird stuff to it
[01:57] <junpeo> brochacho: well, i got the ip address and port (?) showing, broadcast adress, hwaddress
[01:58] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I already purged it a while ago... what graphics drivers should I be using?
[01:58] <gonyere> Ben64: such as??
[01:58] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, Ah, not sure really, you can install another desktop to use till you have unity fixed.
[01:58] <Ben64> gonyere: you would be the one to know that
[01:58] <gonyere> all he does is surf the web.
[01:58] <Brochacho> junpeo: your address should be something along the lines of what ever your router home address is 192.168.100.XX
[01:58] <gonyere> I basicly do the same, with a tiny bit of work on gnome stuff
[01:58] <gonyere> mixed in
[01:59] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, I'm not really up on graphics issues, all my setups are intell and just work.
[01:59] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, can I reset compiz through another administrator account on the same computer?
[01:59] <Brochacho> junpeo: or what ever it's home address is, but I don't think that's really the issue. It might just be settings on your router
[01:59] <junpeo> brochacho: i have an ad-hoc wifi set up via usb that I have disabled in network manager (gnome).
[01:59] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, You might try another user and see if this is the same there.
[01:59] <Brochacho> junpeo: Ahhh, in that cause you might still be using your ad-hoc's ip address. Try removing that completely and restarting
[02:00] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, my other adminstrator accounts have unity and compiz working
[02:00] <Brochacho> junpeo: I used to have the same issue using a bridge-client connection
[02:01] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, I would remove this one then, and use them, or figure out what the differences are, same OS right?
[02:01] <junpeo> broachacho: the config screen appears briefly when i reset the modem (power cycle)  but then i lose it. The icon still loads in the browser tab though! Will try deleting the ad hoc...
[02:01] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, yep same os on same computer
[02:03] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, I have never had more than one admin, so not sure the ramifications there if you mess around in general, and one fails.
[02:04] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, Okay here is what I'm doing now. I am viewing my Ubuntu 13.10 OS with nautilus on another Ubuntu 13.10 account
[02:05] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, So why more than one admin?
[02:05] <s1lence> well thank you everybody for helping i am not able to fix the kernel panic as easily as i had hoped so I guess i will re-install. my dotfiles will die in a fire
[02:05] <s1lence> ;_;
[02:06] <Brochacho> s1lence: upload them to github
[02:06] <Ben64> s1lence: back them up ...
[02:06] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, In case one of my admin user accounts gets screwed up
[02:06] <hitsujiTMO> s1lence: just back them up from live cd
[02:06] <s1lence> i would have to sift for hours xD
[02:06] <Ben64> why?
[02:06] <s1lence> i have so many junk dotfiles it's not even funny.
[02:06] <Brochacho> s1lence: it's always a good idea to back them up
[02:07] <s1lence> from apps i never use
[02:07] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, Not sure that's the best method I would just clone it, that may be the root of the problem.
[02:07] <Brochacho> lol
[02:07] <Frogsiedoodle> Hey guys can you help me out with a Vmware issue? I get this error "c header files matching your running kernel were not found" when trying to install
[02:07] <Ben64> cp ./.* /place/to/go/
[02:07] <Brochacho> Frogsiedoodle: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[02:07] <Ben64> Brochacho: yeah, if thats his kernel
[02:07] <Frogsiedoodle> I have done that and installed many other things they dont work
[02:08] <Ben64> Frogsiedoodle: paste here the output of "uname -a"
[02:08] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, how do you mean?
[02:08] <hitsujiTMO> Frogsiedoodle: for esxi? or which?
[02:08] <Brochacho> Frogsiedoodle: What kernel are you using?
[02:08] <Frogsiedoodle> Linux Maximus 3.11.0-12-generic #19-Ubuntu SMP Wed Oct 9 16:20:46 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:08] <BrianH> Ok, my 13.10 server is now just randomly rebooting without any reason.  I've tried sorting through /var/log/ and I don't see any log messages.
[02:09] <gonyere> right, i just removed said gnome3 ppa's
[02:09] <hitsujiTMO> Frogsiedoodle: for what vmware app is it?
[02:09] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, permission problems would be my guess, the initial admin/name is the controlling admin, if you add another and removed the first you would have to mess with permissions system wide due to different names I believe.
[02:09] <gonyere> ran sudo-apt-get update
[02:09] <Frogsiedoodle> Vmware player
[02:09] <gonyere> fpdma queed errors of various sorts
[02:09] <gonyere> mostly write fpdma queued
[02:09] <junpeo> brochacho: no, it wasn't the ad hoc. inet 192.168.100.11/24 brd 192.168.100.255 scope global eth0 >> got my modem briefly and then it went hiding again
[02:09] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, but how does it affect my compiz problem?
[02:10] <zykotick9> gonyere: i hope you used ppa-purge (or whatever it's called)...
[02:10] <gonyere> yes
[02:10] <Ben64> gonyere: hard drive problems, get new hard drive or hard drive cable
[02:10] <Dr_Willis> !ppa-purge
[02:10] <Brochacho> junpeo: That's really odd if you're on that network you should be able to access your router, I've run out of ideas
[02:11] <Frogsiedoodle> Anyone got any ideas?
[02:11] <junpeo> broachacho: i think the cable company got to be blocking it, I'll try my backup ubuntu on the netbook!
[02:11] <hitsujiTMO> Frogsiedoodle: this will fix the finding headers issue: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6286526/    however .... the problem that the vmware scripts target much older kernels so the module build might fail
[02:11] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, each account has some specific controls attached to it, so making changes in both could screw one up, is my guess, this is beyond and real definitive answers from me really. I jsut would never make a second admin for that reason is all without knowing exactly all the steps for it to work perfectly..
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> and=any
[02:12] <Brochacho> junpeo: Cable companies can do that?
[02:12] <Frogsiedoodle> hitsujiTMO: It says the file already exists and i have run that command before with no luck
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> might work in windows but linux is different is all
[02:13] <junpeo> 3rd party provider have to go with the black box they get given
[02:13] <Frogsiedoodle> hitsujiTMO: Would virtualbox be any better do you think?
[02:13] <hitsujiTMO> Frogsiedoodle: yes
[02:14] <Frogsiedoodle> hitsujiTMO: OK ill try that
[02:15] <macsplean> ubuntu is sending data about your filesystem to third party vendors
[02:15] <macsplean> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/how-to-change-your-privacy-settings-in-ubuntus-unity-dash/
[02:15] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | macsplean
[02:15] <wilee-nilee> macsplean, old news and offtopic and easily turned off.
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> !fud | macsplean
[02:15] <Dr_Willis> omg - they know i got filesystems...
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> and the love boat on file
[02:16] <Brochacho> nooo, not my ext4
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  got 'voyage to the bottom of the sea' last week. ;)
[02:18] <wilee-nilee> cool
[02:18] <andygraybeal> help me remember the ubuntu phone channel, it's not #ubuntutouch
[02:18] <IdleOne> #ubuntu-touch
[02:18] <andygraybeal> ah thanks
[02:18] <reisio> andygraybeal: /msg alis list *ubunt*touch*
[02:19] <bsmith093> how do i get a ubuntu live cd to load into ram
[02:19] <Frogsiedoodle> hitsujiTMO: Ok switched to virtualbox works great thanks for your help
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> Dr_Willis, I found NFB Films on my samsung TV and been watching some interesting stuff. http://www.nfb.ca/
[02:20] <reisio> bsmith093: how do you not?
[02:21] <bsmith093> reisio: i mean like the toram dsl option. load the entire thing into ram and lauch from there, im having really starnge hardrive issues with this laptop im trying to fix
[02:21] <reisio> issues like?
[02:22] <bsmith093> well the hardrive keeps dissappearing
[02:22] <bsmith093> when its gone even the bios acant see it
[02:22] <reisio> that's odd
[02:22] <hitsujiTMO> bsmith093: sounds like a dead/dying hdd then
[02:22] <reisio> did you check the cable connections?
[02:22] <bsmith093> tell me about it
[02:22] <bsmith093> i really really dont wanna open this lappie
[02:23] <bsmith093> its new enough to have been upgraded to win7
[02:23] <tirta-sullivan> Hey guys, where can i register myself for free Ubuntu blog such as blogspot.com?
[02:23] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I think I half fixed it
[02:23] <bsmith093> 2ghz 4 gb ram 80 gb hd
[02:23] <reisio> tirta-sullivan: blogspot.com, I'm guessing
[02:23] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, your half way there good.
[02:24] <Elijah_> wilee-nilee, I was able to get my gnome-terminal launched by editing the startup applications from another admin account
[02:25] <wilee-nilee> Elijah_, really, heh, well its all yours, like I said with more than one admin I have no idea of the permissions
[02:30] <smaudet> !slattach
[02:30] <smaudet> Hmm nope
[02:31] <smaudet> Anyone know how to ssh over ttyusb?
[02:31] <smaudet> I know this should be simple, I'm not understanding something. If anyone knows, would appreciate the pointer.
[02:31] <ivan_> h
[02:31] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  that dosent make a lot of sence. You ssh over a network connection. You got some sort of usb network card or what?
[02:32] <smaudet> Dr_Willis: slattach claims that it connects a serial interface to a network connection...although what network connection that is is a mystery to me
[02:32] <alder> 4755322
[02:32] <smaudet> Dr_Willis: would I just telnet over the ttyUSB?
[02:32] <smaudet> I thought I had to ssh.
[02:32] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  if it has an ip.. its connected.. now whats on the otehr end.. ;) may be the issue
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> never used of heard of slattatch.
[02:33] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, no, serial connection works (fine in putty on windows), seems too confusing on linux =/
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> used 'slip' and 'ppp' ages ago for networking over a serial port.
[02:33] <Dr_Willis> if its a true serial connection, you would use a serial terminal on linux.
[02:33] <smaudet> yeah that's what its doing, slip I think, but I know next to nothing about slip or ppp
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> i dont recall putty working as a serial terminal. :) tehre is putty in the repos.
[02:34] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, ok and is that any different from a standard terminal
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> a serial terminal sends data to the serial port..
[02:34] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, it may not on linux, I couldn't get the normal gui to come up, might just be my package
[02:34] <SAM113101> what's better for linux, an ATI card or a nvidia card?
[02:34] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, uses COM ports on windows
[02:34] <Dr_Willis> xterm and so forth emulate the old skool serial-terminals that were special terminals  with a monitor/keyboard/serial port
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  if its using COM ports. then its a serial terminal connection. Not ssh or telnet.
[02:35] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, well maybe that's the issue, my Terminal emulator doesn't support tty I guess
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  you would use some serial terminal like minicom, or others. (perhaps putty on linux even)
[02:35] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, ok, I'll try minicom, thanks!
[02:35] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  xterm, or rxvt or gnome-terminal are not for connecting to a serial port.
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> whats at the other end of the serial port/line to the linux box smaudet ?
[02:36] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, FreeBSD box
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> device --> linux   (whats the device>)
[02:36] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  so you want to do serial to serial and just get a termoinal opn the bsd box?
[02:36] <smaudet> basically yeah
[02:37] <Dr_Willis> you want to go BSD as the terminal> or as the Server?
[02:37] <smaudet> on windows its been the easiest way to stay in contact, the BSD box is actually a router
[02:37] <smaudet> so the network connections come up/down all the time
[02:37] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, erm, I want a session on the BSD box
[02:37] <smaudet> So I guess its the server
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> serial  connects to a  linux box (or bsd) that is running mgetty. or getty, or some variant thats been assigned to 'read/access' the serial port
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> so.. serial terminal --> serial line --> pc running getty/mgetty/whatever  thats reading from that port.
[02:38] <Dr_Willis> ive used dumb serial terminals on linux that way - ages ago
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> this is NOT 'networking' theres no slip/ppp involved.
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> its just a straight serial connection.
[02:39] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  ages ago there was a 'slip/ppp make your own isp' howto at tldp.org that i recall reading on how to get a network going over the serial line.
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> bbl.. got a job to do. ;P
[02:42] <smaudet> heh k
[02:44] <Jackson88438> anyone here at umass able to help me install ubuntu?
[02:45] <kichigai> Hey all, can anyone help me with an issue regarding my network card: it's not showing up.
[02:50] <jmgk> Hi
[02:50] <reisio> hi jm
[02:51] <cvtsx> hey jm
[02:51] <jmgk> Hi
[02:51] <cvtsx> hello
[02:52] <smaudet> Oh god this looks even more arcane O.o
[02:52] <reisio> smaudet: twss
[02:52] <smaudet> !twss
[02:52] <smaudet> ?
[02:52] <reisio> old joke, thought this was another channel :p
[02:53] <smaudet> reisio: well it might be relevant, I'm dealing with an old protocol :P
[02:53] <reisio> heh
[02:57] <chsados> how do i change the color of the terminal in ubuntu?
[02:57] <smaudet> chsados: if I can make a plug Terminator does a fairly decent job
[02:58] <smaudet> chsados: I think all the terminals do that though - check your preferences
[03:03] <jaTT> 5
[03:07] <XHEART24> is it worth upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10?
[03:08] <wilee-nilee> XHEART24, It's up to you, you loose the 5 years support.
[03:08] <XHEART24> thank you, you answered my question.
[03:08] <gonyere_> XHEART24 - if I was you I'd wait till 14.04
[03:09] <Dr_Willis> chsados:  change what colors exactly?
[03:09] <XHEART24> i agree, i was using 13.04 and it gives alot of problems for wifi and internet conexion
[03:09] <kirankumar> hello sir ,i  connect a dongel but not mount automatically, what i do?
[03:09] <XHEART24> this 12.04 is solid
[03:10] <jmgk> Hi
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> kirankumar:  try to mount the usb flash drive by hand. look for error messages
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> !mount | kirankumar
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> XHEART24:  most people stick to the LTS. or the latest release. theres not much point in staying in between
[03:11] <xde3> Hi there. Looking for help - after my upgrade to 12.04.3, my desktop only starts a terminal, not my desktop environment
[03:11] <Dr_Willis> xde3:  does the guest session work properly? does a newly made user work  properly?
[03:11] <kirankumar> thanks ,where show error message
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> kirankumar:  the mount command will give errors if any issues happen
[03:12] <xde3> Dr_Willis: I'm just presented with a login, which does work, and seems to be fully functional, just as if I opened a terminal window in the GUI or SSH'd to my machine.
[03:12] <Dr_Willis> !vfat | kirankumar
[03:12] <kirankumar> i try to check, thanks
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> xde3:  if a newly made user works - that would point to a problem with the problem user config files.
[03:13] <wylde> xde3, what output do you get if you 'sudo service lightdm start'
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> xde3:  if ALL users have the same issue - that points to a system, or driver issue
[03:13] <wylde> xde3, or are you saying the tty login won't work either?
[03:13] <Dr_Willis> xde3:  you mean you get a CONSOLE login? or the X Login:
[03:14] <xde3> Dr_Willis: Console login sounds right.
[03:14] <xde3> wylde: tty login works
[03:14] <kirankumar> hello sir my result is below i don't understand please help me
[03:14] <kirankumar> kirankumar@kirankumar-M68M-S2P:~$ mount
[03:14] <kirankumar> /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[03:14] <kirankumar> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[03:14] <kirankumar> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[03:14] <kirankumar> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[03:14] <kirankumar> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[03:14] <FloodBot1> kirankumar: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:15] <ianorlin> !pastebinit kirankumar
[03:15] <wylde> xde3, ok, try the command I posted and see if it returns some useful error messages
[03:15] <xde3> wylde: re lighted: A whole bunch of Starting/Stopping messages
[03:15] <xde3> The only one that's not [ OK] is * Starting load fallback graphics devices     [fail] (And, I guess, anything that went by too fast)
[03:15] <smaudet> wilee-nilee, can you actually purchase support still?
[03:16] <smaudet> i.e. if you get 13.10 or something, can you pay for the support?
[03:16] <sam113101> guys, how can I add sublime text to the dash? it doesn't have a .desktop file
[03:16] <xde3> wylde: One of them is "Starting LightDM Display Manager     [OK]
[03:16] <smaudet> sam113101, make a .desktop file?
[03:17] <wylde> xde3, just curious what happens if you ctrl+alt+F7 at this point.
[03:17] <smaudet> sam113101, copy -> paste -> tweak the important parts. Otherwise, dunno.
[03:17] <kichigai> Can anyone help me resolve an issue where my ethernet adapter isn't showing up?
[03:17] <ahoneybun> Hey does anyone have a lenovo y510p?
[03:17] <ianorlin> !anyone
[03:18] <xde3> wylde: Right now, nothing, but I'm going to Ctrl-C out of this
[03:18] <wilee-nilee> smaudet, I would think so.
[03:18] <smaudet> ahoneybun, better to ask on the forums, highly unlikely anyone has the exact same brand of computer as you
[03:18] <xde3> wylde: Oh, actually, I see the same thing
[03:18] <xde3> wylde: Same list of Starting and Stopping messages
[03:18] <ahoneybun> smaudet: askubuntu people have it booting and installing but I can not get to the installer
[03:19] <sam113101> smaudet: I tried already, and it didn't work
[03:19] <sam113101> I can try again, though
[03:19] <xde3> wylde: Going back to ctrl-alt-F1 shows "lighted start/running, process 3019
[03:19] <wylde> xde3, hmmm ok. Are you using proprietary drivers on this machine?
[03:19] <smaudet> sam113101, do try, best of luckk
[03:19] <sam113101> where can I find a .desktop file to base it from?
[03:19] <smaudet> ahoneybun, could be the backlight bug
[03:19] <smaudet> sam113101, there are a bunch in I think /etc somewhere
[03:19] <reisio> sam113101: find ~/ -iname '*.desktop' | less
[03:20] <smaudet> 'find /etc | grep -e 'desktop$'
[03:20] <xde3> wylde: I'm not sure. As a shot in the dark, I did install some nvidia something or other and I believe this is the first time restarting since then
[03:20] <ahoneybun> No I got the Ubuntu logo and loading screen on and then it goes blank
[03:20] <ahoneybun> So USB activity at all
[03:20] <wylde> xde3, then that's the most likely culprit.
[03:20] <smaudet> ahoneybun, yeah, it maybe works a bit and then you have to turn the backlight backon?
[03:21] <wylde> xde3, how did you install it?
[03:21] <reisio> sam113101: better yet search for one that is already used on the dash
[03:21] <smaudet> ahoneybun, I have had a similar experience with lenovo
[03:21] <uuball_gabriel> how to solve these problems?
[03:21] <reisio> sam113101: find ~/ -iname '*alreadyUsedOneString*.desktop' | less
[03:21] <smaudet> had me up a wall a whole day until I figured that out
[03:21] <reisio> uuball_gabriel: which?
[03:21] <uuball_gabriel> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[03:21] <uuball_gabriel> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_testing_main_i18n_Translation-en
[03:21] <ahoneybun> Oh I tried Kubuntu as well
[03:21] <xde3> wylde: Ok, I dpkg --list | grep nvidia and found some things. Any suggestions on how to determine what to remove?
[03:22] <xde3> wylde: If removing one of them is your suggestion
[03:22] <reisio> ahoneybun: oh man, you have given me breakfast inspiration
[03:22] <ahoneybun> It did pop out some things about the open source nvidia drivrr
[03:22] <smaudet> =/
[03:22] <smaudet> ahoneybun, my lenovo uses Intel
[03:22] <smaudet> there could be driver problems
[03:22] <uuball_gabriel> using apt-get update?
[03:23] <ahoneybun> The thing is it has the nvidia but the board has a built in Intel as well
[03:23] <Jackson88438> anyone here at umass able to help me install ubuntu?
[03:23] <smaudet> ahoneybun, well you could try seeing if you can figure out how to force the intel drivers
[03:23] <reisio> Jackson88438: what's the trouble?
[03:23] <smaudet> I know there's a way e.g. for forcing pure vga mode
[03:24] <wylde> xde3, you installed the packages via apt-get then I assume. Honestly I don't have any suggestions, since I don't know what's in that list ;) However, you could use 'sudo jockey-text' to search for and install the correct driver.
[03:24] <ahoneybun> smaudet: I was thinking that I was going to try out fedora to see it effects that as well
[03:24] <smaudet> ahoneybun, but that usually is some kernel parameter, so you may need to use a usb or a specially crafted distro
[03:24] <ahoneybun> But not tonight
[03:24] <smaudet> ahoneybun, yeah
[03:24] <xde3> wylde: I think I know which one is the one I recently installed. I'm trying that and we'll see where that gets me
[03:25] <wylde> xde3, it "should" upon finding a driver propmt you to allow it to remove the old driver.
[03:25] <smaudet> try another distro, if you ahve a problem with fedora try a simple one that does plain vga mode
[03:25] <sam113101> smaudet: where should I place the file?
[03:25] <smaudet> e.g. gparted
[03:25] <ahoneybun> 13.10 looks really pretty
[03:25] <smaudet> sam113101, euhm, the desktop?
[03:25] <smaudet> It is a desktop file after all, no?
[03:25] <ahoneybun> Just don't know much of fedora
[03:25] <sam113101> smaudet: I don't know, man
[03:26] <sam113101> I don't understand them yet
[03:26] <smaudet> ahoneybun, well its a completely different package management system
[03:26] <smaudet> and a different set of developers, whole different ball game
[03:26] <smaudet> so yeah
[03:26] <ahoneybun> Yea
[03:26] <ahoneybun> Yum vs apt
[03:26] <smaudet> I mean its binary compatible mostly I think
[03:26] <smaudet> random shared libraries will break.
[03:26] <ahoneybun> Not really
[03:27] <ahoneybun> Maybel
[03:27] <razzledazzle> hello dudes, can anyone tell me how can I make nautilus sort by file creation date instead of date modified?
[03:27] <smaudet> x64/x32 binaries are compatible across any linux distro
[03:27] <xde3> wylde: That was it! Thanks for the support!
[03:27] <ahoneybun> All I know it sucks
[03:27] <smaudet> with the system at least
[03:27] <wylde> xde3, you're welcome :)
[03:27] <smaudet> just there are different libraries in different places, so sometimes they may complain
[03:28] <smaudet> if the binary wasn't statically compiled at least
[03:28] <ahoneybun> Bored of windows 8 and got a ps3 to game on now
[03:28] <smaudet> =/
[03:28] <smaudet> windows 8 is a mess
[03:28] <ahoneybun> Maybe I'll try Linux mint or something
[03:28] <smaudet> but I have to live with it, since I'm not allowed to get rid of it
[03:29] <kirankumar> we have any software for ubuntustudio to use as a mobile partnersoftware  same as windows software for connecting internet or calling by laptop
[03:29] <razzledazzle> ahoneybun, do you think purchasing a PS3 would be worth it as this time?
[03:29] <razzledazzle> *at
[03:29] <ahoneybun> I kinda like it since its like Ubuntu dash
[03:29] <sam113101> where do I need to change my path in order for "commands" to pick up the change?
[03:29] <smaudet> razzledazzle, they are still coming out with games for it
[03:29] <smaudet> but this is !ot
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  you set teh PATH variable to include whatever dirs you want in your default PATH
[03:29] <ahoneybun> Yes sorry
[03:29] <Jackson88438> i dunno seems not able to install reisio, are u in umass?
[03:29] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: where?
[03:29] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  or put links, or the binaries in one of the directories. such as in the users /home/username/bin
[03:30] <razzledazzle> smaudet, yeah, no backwards compatility too, so for PS3 games need a PS3
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  your .bashrc is one place
[03:30] <sam113101> I do that in my zshrc, it's not enough it seems
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  zsh has a similer variable i imagine
[03:30] <sam113101> yes, it works inside a terminal
[03:30] <sam113101> but not inside "commands"
[03:30] <sam113101> (alt+f2)
[03:30] <wylde> o.O
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> what 'commands' do you mean
[03:30] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  perhaps because thats using bash?
[03:31] <smaudet> razzledazzle, its actually probably really smart to buy them actually, because the PS4 is coming out.
[03:31] <sam113101> I don't know?
[03:31] <Jackson88438> Anyone here in university of massachusetts free to help me install ubuntu OS? i can't seems to install, it's always stuck or grub error
[03:31] <smaudet> They're all gonna drop in price/no one will want them, so if you want to get into them its the perfect time ;)
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  and did you use 'chsh' to set your default shell?
[03:31] <sam113101> Dr_Willis: yes
[03:31] <sam113101> my default shell is zsh
[03:31] <razzledazzle> smaudet, you mean like possible price reduction?
[03:31] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  perhaps set the path in your .bashrc as well
[03:31] <sam113101> ~/Projects% echo $SHELL                                                                                sam@fievel, 13-10-22 23:31
[03:31] <sam113101> /usr/bin/zsh
[03:32] <smaudet> razzledazzle, everyone turning their PS3 in for a PS4
[03:32] <smaudet> anyways we're off topic
[03:32] <razzledazzle> smaudet, yep, and sorry
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  run your alt-f2 thing and have it 'echo $SHELL > shell-is.txt'
[03:32] <moppy> you don't buy PS/3, you rent them. open it up and try to modify the thing and you get Sony lawyers all over you.
[03:32] <jmgk> hi all
[03:32] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  and see what it says the shell is its using
[03:32] <sam113101> yeah that's what I was doing
[03:32] <Jackson88438> Anyone here in university of massachusetts free to help me install ubuntu OS? i can't seems to install, it's always stuck or grub error
[03:33] <sophie_> Random broad question: If power is defined as the amount of tasks and actions an OS can perform, is OS X as powerful as Linux? I.e is it as able?
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub | Jackson88438
[03:33] <Dr_Willis> sophie_:  define what you mean by tasks and actions. ;)
[03:33] <moppy> sophie_: THis is impossible to answer. There are too many variables. Both OS/X and Ubuntu work.
[03:34] <sam113101> it doesn't even create a file
[03:34] <sophie_> I mean, for example in terms of what I user can do with system, through terminal etc
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> sophie_:  and the amount when? 'at a single time' ? the varity of tasks it can do? ;)
[03:34] <smaudet> sophie_, not to mention there are several interpretations of power, who's to say your random definition is valid?
[03:34] <sam113101> what the hell
[03:34] <ianorlin> aren't both countably infinite?
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> sophie_:  linux is about the most felxiable os out there.
[03:34] <smaudet> echo $SHELL > ~/shell-is.txt
[03:34] <smaudet> echo $SHELL > ~/Desktop/shell-is.txt
[03:35] <smaudet> one of those might work
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  assuming the use of ~ works. ;)
[03:35] <sophie_> I just always here people saying OS X is not as powerful and I wondered if it's actually true, I always assumed people meant it was locked down and that's what they meant by it not being as powerful.
[03:35] <sophie_> *hear
[03:35] <sam113101> smaudet: doesn't create a file
[03:35] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, I should think it does, unless there is a fake shell in there
[03:35] <sam113101> ;_;
[03:35] <moppy> i honestly dont know how you define "powerful"
[03:35] <ianorlin> vauge question is vauge
[03:35] <smaudet> sam113101, just open up xterm or whatever
[03:36] <smaudet> run the command in there
[03:36] <Dr_Willis> Apple is  very much 'we let users do what we SAY they can do' sort of company.. Linux is not a company ;) its a tool.
[03:36] <wylde> sophie_, well I'd say anything isn't hindered by proprietary licenses is more "powerful".  ;)
[03:36] <sam113101> smaudet: in gnome-terminal the shell is zsh
[03:36] <smaudet> Alt+F2 can be broken
[03:36] <ianorlin> or use control+alt+t to open up a terminal
[03:36] <sam113101> maybe alt+f2 doesn't let you redirect things?
[03:37] <smaudet> Alt+F2 does some weird things sometimes
[03:37] <sam113101> ;(
[03:37] <smaudet> Its not a shell.
[03:37] <sam113101> what is it?
[03:37] <smaudet> It pastes things into a shell, maybe.
[03:37] <sam113101> lawl
[03:37] <smaudet> In my experience though sometimes it tries to do that, but decides its not a command.
[03:37] <smaudet> And does goodness knows what.
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> alt-f2  'xterm -d echo $SHELL && read foo'
[03:37] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> oops -e  not -d
[03:38] <sam113101> does nothing
[03:39] <smaudet> sam113101, you could try checking your 'shell' is enabled in alt+f2
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> of course xterm may load up the default shell.
[03:39] <smaudet> I think its implemented as a plugin
[03:39] <smaudet> fyi alt+f2 is the unity-launcher in unity and klaunder in kubuntu
[03:40] <smaudet> klauncher*
[03:40] <smaudet> >_>
[03:40] <smaudet> It may or may not launder things as well
[03:40] <smaudet> <_<
[03:41] <crocket> marlin breaks after upgrading to ubuntu 13.10
[03:41] <sam113101> I did alt+f2 and typed "yes yes", now yes is running in the background and using 100% CPU, amazing
[03:41] <crocket> Some gtk themes break.
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> alt-f2 dosent seem to  work in xubuntu
[03:41] <crocket> I think I need to do a clean upgrade on my home PC.
[03:41] <smaudet> ;D
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> oh wait  - it runs the application finder. ;)
[03:41] <sam113101> I'm going to do "yes $SHELL" and check with htop
[03:42] <crocket> man
[03:42] <smaudet> 'yes' 'repeatedly outputs a string until killed'
[03:42] <sam113101> I know
[03:42] <crocket> I never successfully have done an online uprade in any distro.
[03:42] <crocket> Some packages break.
[03:42] <crocket> They always do.
[03:42] <smaudet> yes yes is recursive O.o
[03:42] <smaudet> you are repeatedly repeating infinite strings
[03:42] <sam113101> lol guess what
[03:43] <Guest55184> hi
[03:43] <sam113101> $SHELL is used as is
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> ps ax | grep yes
[03:43] <Dr_Willis>  4566 ?        S      0:07 yes /bin/bash
[03:43] <sam113101> as a string
[03:43] <kenchow> hi
[03:43] <sam113101> it's not replaced with anything
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> means thers no shell it used.
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> try   alt-f2  yes $(echo $SHELL)
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[03:44] <smaudet> oh the h&x$rz
[03:44] <smaudet> -_-
[03:45] <sam113101> still not replaced with anything
[03:45] <smaudet> sam113101: could be there is no SHELL?
[03:45] <sam113101> $() is not evaluated
[03:45] <smaudet> export SHELL=
[03:45] <smaudet> should work
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> perhaps its time to hit up askubuntu.com on the topic. ;)
[03:45] <smaudet> what is your problem exactly?
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> could be its using sh
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> alt-f2 is not seeing stuff he added to his ZSH path
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> i think..
[03:46] <smaudet> Mmm
[03:46] <sam113101> I've added sublime_text to my path, I wanted to launch it from Commands because I can't pin it to the dash
[03:46] <sam113101> but I can't do that either…
[03:46] <smaudet> So, like I said, Alt+F2 is borked
[03:46] <smaudet> Eugh, that problem
[03:46] <smaudet> Yeah ok I've had that myself
[03:46] <Dr_Willis> ive seen guides on how to make proper launchers for sublime on omgubuntu or webupd8
[03:46] <smaudet> I never solved it but I've got a page or so of notes on the problem
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> make a whatever.desktop file that runs a script that runs the command ;)
[03:47] <Dr_Willis> then pin that to the panel   perhaps
[03:47] <sam113101> I'm going to try
[03:47] <smaudet> Basically there are like 3 different ways .desktop files can be indexed
[03:47] <smaudet> and three different programs which index them, and then you have to reload all sorts of fun databases
[03:47] <smaudet> X.X
[03:48] <Dr_Willis> or make a link the binary from your /home/username/bin/whatever   ---> sublimne_stuff/command
[03:48] <smaudet> sometimes you just have to logout/login, and that still doesn't fix things
[03:49] <sam113101> I must create a .desktop file on my desktop, right?
[03:49] <smaudet> Basically just put sublime text in your path and type 'sublime' and take advantage of the terminal's tab completion
[03:49] <smaudet> sam113101, yeah you can mess around with doing that
[03:49] <smaudet> I think the people who made Ubuntu's desktop system were silly
[03:49] <Dr_Willis>  .desktop file can be most anywhere. or you can put it in your system wide dirs
[03:49] <smaudet> the $PATH is much more sensible
[03:49] <sam113101> smaudet: yeah but I always end up doing "nohup sublime_text &>/dev/null"
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> i belive ive seen guides on setting up sublime on the webupd8 or omgubuntu blog sites
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> includieng some sort of installr scripts
[03:50] <smaudet> sam113101, this is why I use Terminator
[03:50] <smaudet> I just create a new tab and go on my merry way
[03:50] <smaudet> tab/pane
[03:50] <hitsujiTMO> why not just use sublime ppa?
[03:51] <sam113101> what? there's one?
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  i dont think it existed when the guides were made
[03:51] <Dr_Willis> i dont use the app. ;)
[03:51] <sam113101> hitsujiTMO: show me!
[03:51] <smaudet> ^
[03:51] <hitsujiTMO> ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-2     that has been there for 2.5 years now
[03:52] <smaudet> sam113101, facepalm, google is your friend
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/07/sublime-text-3-ubuntu-ppa-now-available.html
[03:52] <smaudet> ppa sublime text ;)
[03:52] <hitsujiTMO> ppa:webupd8team/sublime-text-3 for 3 beta
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> mentioned on the blog sites i mentioned.... ;)
[03:53] <hitsujiTMO> first thing i look for when installing anything not in repo, or i need something later than repo, is a ppa
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> those are not official ppa's from the sublime people it seems
[03:53] <crocket> Will there be a tablet that runs plain ubuntu or other linux distros?
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> The package in the PPA is just an installer and works like our Oracle Java Installer package: it downloads the Sublime Text 3 archive from its website and installs it on the system. The PPA does not host any Sublime Text 3 files.
[03:54] <crocket> I really want a tablet that runs a desktop linux distro.
[03:54] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: why make debs and rpms when you can just release a tar.gz and know someone else will package it for you
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  one running kubuntu was supposed to be comming out.. but its vaporware as far as i know.
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  intel has mentioned $100 intel based tablets out by xmas time
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  i dont see the point in using that editor at all really. ;)
[03:55] <moppy> crocket: you should be able to install on an x86 tablet. i've heard of people who have done it.
[03:55] <hitsujiTMO> what sublime text?
[03:55] <sam113101> hitsujiTMO: love you <3, thanks ;)
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> sublime users should be posting on the sublime forums/bug reports  asking for a PPA ;)
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> an 'official' sublime ppa
[03:56] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: a ppa from sublime is unnecessary, webupd8 team do a good job
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. another text editor ive not heard of --> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/try-textadept-fast-cross-platform-text.html
[03:56] <hitsujiTMO> an they are reliable
[03:57] <crocket> moppy : The distro that runs on a tablet needs a convenient screen keyboard.
[03:57] <crocket> Dr_Willis, Can you refer me to the link?
[03:57] <lotus-blade> i have 2 nics and the second one is not coming up active
[03:58] <lotus-blade> any idea what could cause this?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  for a comercial product.. they shouldent have to be doing it at all.
[03:58] <crocket> So far, the only tablets that run a desktop OS are windows tablets.
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  the kubuntu tablet - is vaporware.. and ive not seen any real intel devices mentiooned anywhere yet
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> http://www.techguylabs.com/episodes/1018/intel-create-100-tablet-christmas
[03:59] <moppy> crocket: i don't understand. Don't all tablets have an on-screen keyboard?
[03:59] <crocket> not very good
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> id bet a $100 tablet is not going to be running windows
[03:59] <crocket> moppy : I want a desktop OS that has a screen keyboard.
[04:00] <crocket> moppy : A trimmed-down OS is not my thing.
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> i run android on several desktop boxs ;)
[04:00] <moppy> you know you can install a regular distro on an x86 tablet?
[04:00] <crocket> Seriously, 100$?
[04:00] <crocket> moppy : Even iPad?
[04:00] <moppy> x86
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  thats the 'buzz' i will wait tilli see actual devices befor beliveing it
[04:01] <moppy> ipads arent x86
[04:01] <crocket> Not being able to run a terminal on a tablet is an annoyance.
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> ipad is not an x86 tablet as far as i know. ;)
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> err.. i run a terminal on my android tablets
[04:01] <crocket> what about chromium?
[04:01] <crocket> hexchat?
[04:01] <moppy> what part of "install a desktop distro on an x86 tablet" didnt you get?
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> i have chromebrowser on my android tablets.
[04:02] <hitsujiTMO> dr_willis, the big problem with linux, is the massive variation in distros, from DE, to file system support, to how to package and distribute software. releasing a tar.gz and leaving the community to build ppas, oar package rpms takes a massive load off linux developers and allows then to focus on the actual product, not the distribution. plus it allows any user full control on how it is installed if they wish
[04:02] <crocket> moppy : I'd do it if ubuntu has a fine screen keyboard.
[04:02] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  currently the ubuntu-touch onscreen keyboard  - is somewhat lacking from what ive read.
[04:03] <crocket> Dr_Willis, Alex Chiang from Canonical said they were thinking hard about enabling the desktop mode on tablet screens.
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  i will belive it when i see it. ;) i got a Nexus7 and decided to not install ubuntu on it at this time
[04:03] <crocket> Damn
[04:04] <hitsujiTMO> crocket, if they don't, someone else will
[04:04] <crocket> When will I be able to carry a desktop PC in the form of a tablet?
[04:04] <crocket> Even a 1.1kg laptop is heavy to carry.
[04:04] <crocket> It's bulky and heavy.
[04:04] <trollboy> so I recently got a shiny new MSI motherboard... which had an insane stupid APC setup and made ubuntu suck..
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  there may be x86 tablets out that you can install ubuntu to. just not seen any  in the mass markets
[04:04] <trollboy> so if I'm shopping for a shiny new i7 box.. what HW do you guys recommend?
[04:05] <crocket> Dr_Willis, What about the lack of a fine screen keyboard in ubuntu?
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> trollboy:  see whats recommenede at the tomshardware site perhaps?
[04:05] <crocket> If I have to attach a keyboard to the tablet, I'd just carry a laptop.
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> crocket: deal with it?  with your logic.. there is none.. so you have no answqer.. give up.
[04:06] <moppy> ubutnu's keyboard is not that good. gnome3 has a nice screen one
[04:06]  * Dr_Willis sticks to his netbook and tablet
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu touch is to be the focus for the devlopers for the next few release cycles. so it will improve over time.
[04:06] <Dr_Willis> that may hurt the ubuntu desktop/normal pc users ;(
[04:06] <trollboy> checking now... I was operating under the impression that tom's was mostly for windows gaming rigs and the overclocker kids
[04:06] <hitsujiTMO> crocket, maybe you should have picked up one of these back in the day: http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/749398918/Oqo-model-03.jpg
[04:07] <moppy> hrm it seems there a lot of guides for installing Fedora w/ gnome 3 on a tablet
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> trollboy:  hardware reviews.. is hardware reviews..
[04:07] <trollboy> Right, but I want ubuntu compatibility... the MSI I had had great HW reviews
[04:07] <Guest76793> hi O
[04:08] <Guest76793> trollboy: on windows lol
[04:08] <crocket> hmm
[04:08] <crocket> Does GNOME 3 have a nice screen keyboard?
[04:08] <trollboy> Guest76793, precisely
[04:09] <trollboy> I'm not really hip to spending a grand on HW and then shipping it all back and trying for another combination
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> http://www.pengpod.com/products/pengpod700           Linux/Android Dual boot   it says...
[04:09] <Guest76793> trollboy: that;s good enough for me
[04:09] <moppy> hitsujiTMO: what is that?
[04:09] <trollboy> I'm pro-linux, but I mostly work on server stuff and am far removed from Desktop HW
[04:09] <moppy> trollboy: is this a gaming rig?
[04:09] <trollboy> I understand most HW devs develop for windows and then go take a nap
[04:10] <trollboy> Nope
[04:10] <hitsujiTMO> that was a oqo model 3 from the UMPC era.
[04:10] <moppy> why 1K ?
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> trollboy:  see what system76 uses.. and buy the same parts.
[04:10] <Guest76793> how are you chatting rigghtnow what irc client is there on ubuntu server?
[04:10] <jmgk> Xchat
[04:10] <Dr_Willis> Guest76793:  theres text mode irc clients. ;)
[04:10] <moppy> Guest76793: type 'irc' into ubuntu software centre (it's the main "appstore")
[04:10] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, so I figured out how to get onto my tty (using putty in the end); I was never able to get minicom to work. It ... made I/O ... weird. On things that weren't minicom. Ideas?
[04:10] <trollboy> This is an old i3 box
[04:10] <trollboy> thus the desire to upgrade
[04:11] <moppy> trollboy: What i mean is, what use case do you have for building a 1K rig if not gaming? pro audio?
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  its not clear what you mean. :) if you dont have your parity/bit/xonxoff stuff right.. you can get giberish
[04:11] <trollboy> I setup test environments
[04:11] <moppy> ok so running multiple VMs or something?
[04:11] <trollboy> I run some servers locally.. and like to spin up vm's a lot
[04:11] <sophie_> Multi virtualisation? protein folding etc
[04:11] <smaudet> Dr_Willis: it was like minicom was keylogging me
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  you mean repeating everything youi type twice    lliikkee tthhiiss?
[04:12] <trollboy> sophie_, multi virtualisation
[04:12] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, I mean if I switched to IRC it output random gibberish inside the window
[04:12] <smaudet> where minicom was
[04:12] <trollboy> and when I buy a computer, i don't want to see an hour glass for a while or wait for a prompt to return :-/
[04:12] <sophie_> Virtualisation is about the only thing that I can fill my ram with
[04:12] <dopie> how do i remove a directory which is not empty?\
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  thats weird.  No idea  on that.
[04:13] <dopie> rmdir
[04:13] <dopie> ?!
[04:13] <crocket> oh my god
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> dopie:  rm -rf dirname
[04:13] <moppy> dopie: rm -fr will do it
[04:13] <sophie_> Would rmdir -R work?
[04:13] <crocket> kubunu active is available!!!
[04:13] <crocket> oh man
[04:13] <lotuspsychje> morning to all
[04:13] <dopie> thank you all
[04:13] <dopie> :)
[04:13] <moppy> active?
[04:14] <moppy> oh their live USB, i see
[04:14] <trollboy> but yeah, no gaming rigs.  I believe games, much like sex, are better with other people than with computers.
[04:14]  * trollboy looks lovingly at his large box of oddly shaped dice.
[04:15] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, but it output random gibberish inside there anyways, so I'm guessing I wasn't using minicom correctly in the first place. Could have been just the baud rate which was set wrong, also wrong parity/bits, but I should have been able to get a shell, yes?
[04:15] <sophie_> The only game I really play consistently is eve online :3
[04:15] <crocket> Is plasma active the only tablet interface on a real linux stack?
[04:15] <Guest76793> moppy: fascinating I'm gettg one right now
[04:15] <Guest76793> do I look dumb with this nick name?
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> sam113101:  in the old days.. id run mgetty on the server. with like  8n1 3200 baud.  then  on the client.. run minicom and tell it the same settings and the port..  hit enter a few times.. id get a 'Login:' prompt ;)
[04:16] <smaudet> putty just seemed to know what to do on the other hand, launched up a terminal on the right tty
[04:16] <lotuspsychje> Guest76793: its more handy for us if you change nick
[04:16] <moppy> i remember when i upgraded from 300 baud modem to 9600? it was like being on a terminal!
[04:16] <smaudet> so I'm curious, do you know what I was doing wrong perhaps with minicom?
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  it might have scanned/polled/tried stuff ;)
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> ive not used a serial port connection in err.. decades
[04:17] <Guest76793> Ubuntu live doesn't store the smuxi I install even if is using persistent data
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> I lost part of my serial terminal ages ago.. so tossed it out.. then found the parts i was missing. ;) lol
[04:17] <smaudet> Its not that odd really
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> smaudet:  i basically was using 'real' hardware based serial terminals. vt100 and so forth.
[04:18] <smaudet> Our Comp Sci department was still using serial based boards for embedded purposes, not because usb isn't a thing but because cheap usb isn't a thing ;)
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> I cant even justify having them any more.  no room.
[04:18] <moppy> i've used serial ports recently but not for computing; they're still popular for talking to embedded systems
[04:18] <hitsujiTMO> i take it you dont work with routers then dr_willis
[04:18] <smaudet> moppy, exactly
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> last time i used serial ports was to connect my amiga to a pc over a phone modem to transfer files
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  just home ussage.  i dont get into fancy stuff any more
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> only fancy things i mess with these days are my Raspberry Pi's and a few  android-set top devices
[04:19] <moppy> multile pi?
[04:19] <moppy> multiple
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> More Rasperbby Pis the better. ;)
[04:19] <smaudet> Dr_Willis, well and the Raspberry Pi's are all USB I imagine
[04:20] <smaudet> yes?
[04:20] <smaudet> Unless they make serial pie
[04:20] <smaudet> >_>
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> they got some serial add on i belive.. never notice3d.
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> theres expansion ports/pins gpio  on them
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> im not much into hardware hacking these days
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> Unless you count my Home Made Pi Cases ;)
[04:21] <smaudet> Heh
[04:21] <crocket> Dr_Willis, I think I'll install kubuntu active on Nexus 7.
[04:21] <smaudet> I discovered OpenSCAD recently myself.
[04:22] <crocket> Finally a real linux
[04:22] <bray90820> well when I installed 10.9 i got an app in launchpad called X11
[04:22] <smaudet> What a breath of fresh air, after so many years of struggling with lousy 3D programs and designer 3d programs like Blender
[04:23] <smaudet> 3d modeling for programmer types, can you imagine that. Took long enough for someone to make it. (No, VRML didn't count).
[04:23] <hitsujiTMO> ahh, bender, a ux nightmare
[04:24] <smaudet> Blender hitsujiTMO, have you tried the latest version?
[04:25] <hitsujiTMO> not used blender in over a year
[04:25] <smaudet> They claim (those people who use it regularly) that its UX works better.
[04:25] <moppy> ive not yet found a 3d cad package with a good UI. zbrush does but it's not cad
[04:25] <hitsujiTMO> does it still not ask you to save an open project when you close the app?
[04:26] <smaudet> Iunno, I seem to remember it autosaved stuff every 15 minutes
[04:27] <smaudet> Blender was always really nice if you wanted to do art, but it sucked for pretty much anything else.
[04:28] <smaudet> And no one enjoyed it who'd had any 3dsmax experience.
[04:28] <sophie_> Isn't Blender pretty good nowadays though?
[04:29] <smaudet> For art, yes.
[04:29] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  not heard of it.
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> blender for the most part is actually pretty, ok, once you learn all the keyboard shortcuts .... the main issue is that when you have 3 or so projects open at the same time, editing and copying from one to anther in a crazy rush to get a project done, forgetting to save, then once you're done you close out the app windows ... forgetting to save ... and the last window you closed overwrote the auto save for all the rest and you're left with
[04:29] <hitsujiTMO> 1/3 of whatyou've been working on for the past 16 hours ... all because the app doesn't ask you to save a file when it has unsaved changes
[04:29] <smaudet> I can't use if for the life of me. :P
[04:29] <smaudet> <---- Not an artist
[04:30] <reisio> you can do a lot with a 3d modeller without being an artist :)
[04:31] <smaudet> like?
[04:31] <reisio> lake make a model of something and have shapeways print it into physicality
[04:31] <reisio> s/lake/like
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> years of experience loseing things [04:31] <HisaoNakai> Dr_Willis: *after every change
[04:31] <smaudet> reisio, sure, as art
[04:31] <reisio> while(true); do rdiff-backup foo bar; sleep 20m; done
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> answer the doorbell.. save befor...
[04:31] <reisio> smaudet: nah, that's not art
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> grandkids running around... save every 5 min; 0
[04:32] <reisio> smaudet: could be, but needn't be
[04:32] <smaudet> reisio, give me a concrete example of something useful (that doesn't fall under the category of cad)
[04:32] <Dr_Willis> little kids like to hit the power button on pc's
[04:32] <Dionist> Yo. Is this the place I go for help with Ubuntu-related stuff?
[04:32] <hitsujiTMO> smaudet: you can write a game
[04:32] <reisio> smaudet: hrmm?
[04:32] <HisaoNakai> Dr_Willis: lol
[04:32] <reisio> Dr_Willis: and cats
[04:32] <reisio> Dionist: yes
[04:32] <smaudet> hitsujiTMO, ok, but that's art
[04:32] <HisaoNakai> Dionist: evidently.
[04:32] <reisio> games? Needn't be art
[04:32] <Dionist> Well, I currently have a very frustrating and confusing issue.
[04:33] <smaudet> the programming isn't but that's not art, and that's not a modeler
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> is there a package that can zero drives GUI a fast way? like when if the FBI knock on your door?
[04:33] <moppy> amazing how times have changed with saving
[04:33] <reisio> a hexaedron isn't art
[04:33] <reisio> nor is a model you copied verbatim from a someone else's hand drawing
[04:33] <reisio> art is something else entirely :)
[04:33] <reisio> from someone*
[04:33] <smaudet> lotuspsychje, it is called a sledge hammer over your computer
[04:33] <Dr_Willis> lotuspsychje:  every so often it gets asked  how to delete drives.. most of th etime the conclusion is using dd with /dev/zero works well.
[04:34] <rosco> ANYONE:  need help converting avi to smv
[04:34] <smaudet> you install them from the hardware store
[04:34] <Dionist> I downloaded a .swf game off the internet and... at first I tried to find a way to play it without the browser and attempted to play it with Gnash... except the result was it attempting to play everything in the game all at once.
[04:34] <moppy> used to be, you got yelled for forgetting to save. now computer literate users dont know to save becauase of cloud
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  smv?  thats a new one.
[04:34] <smaudet> I recommend string and scissors ;)
[04:34] <reisio> rosco: ffmpeg
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> smaudet: lol and bad luck of hd still remains...
[04:34] <rosco> ?
[04:34] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  whats a smv?    mencoder and ffmpeg can convert to most formats
[04:34] <rosco> i think the phillips 16GB video player (mp3) player on takes that video format
[04:34] <smaudet> lotuspsychje, no no no you install the HDD on the outside of the case
[04:34] <smaudet> so its the first to get hit by the sledge hammer
[04:34] <hitsujiTMO> lotuspsychje: neodymium magnets also help
[04:34] <rosco> all links in googling are dead
[04:35] <Dionist> Then I finally figured out how to play it properly... only when I open a new game, it results in that same "everything at once" loop and becomes unplayable. It works fine online, but not offline anywhere because of that Gnash glitch.
[04:35] <moppy> i hear so many stories "first job straight out of school -> into a company wiht traditional software -> doesn't know you have to save"
[04:35] <rosco> this is like 2007 stuff.
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> hitsujiTMO: no recovery possible afterwards?
[04:35] <smaudet> hitsujiTMO, but neodymium magnets take a while
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  find a video it CAN play. and then  determine its codec and settings perhaps.
[04:35] <reisio> rosco: that's good advice
[04:35] <Dionist> I figured it was due to it saving somewhere and attempted to delete all the flash save memory to fix it, rebooting... still same broken loop.
[04:35] <smaudet> if you need something instantaneous you can't beat the sledge hammer ;)
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> i would rather choose a dd sortalike but GUI like Dr_Willis suggested
[04:35] <reisio> but if it takes longer to figure out than the time it would take to earn the money to replace it, stop
[04:35] <Dionist> Tried purging ALL cache, browsers, disk, everything...
[04:35] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  most old devices i have  can play mp4's
[04:35] <hitsujiTMO> lotuspsychje: not if you've a strong enough magnet
[04:35] <Dionist> STILL THAT GODDAMN LOOP.
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> !caps | Dionist
[04:36] <Dionist> sORRY.
[04:36] <Dionist> Sorry.
[04:36] <Dionist> But yes.
[04:36] <Dionist> Advice on my issue?
[04:36] <rosco> i've tried playing mp4 by changing the extension from avi or mkv to mp4.  no luck.  Dr_Willis .  and hello.  long time no talk together
[04:36] <smaudet> hitsujiTMO, if you've got that strong of a magnet...I'll wager you have other issues
[04:37] <moppy> Dionist: get a flash disassembler
[04:37] <Dionist> I've tried purging all the data and cache memory I could find, and...
[04:37] <hitsujiTMO> smaudet: you just might be right
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  changeing the extension dosent change anything. ;) and avi can be any of several hundered codecs ;)
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> hitsujiTMO: also with a magnet, if you have few computers and many drives
[04:37] <Dionist> moppy, how would that help?
[04:37] <rosco> i don't understand codec stuff.  just extension names
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  find an avi that works. and determine what codec and settings its using
[04:37] <reisio> rosco: well mp4 is more than an extension
[04:37] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  extenion names mean very little
[04:37] <smaudet> lotuspsychje, in that case you need a furnace going 24/7
[04:37] <rosco> they work on computer.  i'm lost
[04:38] <smaudet> ideally something that melts metal
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> Dr_Willis: how about a script with a launch icon that autmaticly dd zero all drives?
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> rosco: ... find video that works.. determine its codec.
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> lotuspsychje:  sounds silly to me. ;)
[04:38] <reisio> rosco: what's the device make/model?
[04:38] <rosco> Dr_Willis: you mean works on computer?
[04:38] <netlar> Should I wait to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10, to let some of the bugs be worked out
[04:38] <smaudet> lotuspsychje, that won't work, its standard forensics to recover a wiped drive like that
[04:38] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  No... that works on YOUR PLAYER..
[04:38] <Dionist> moppy? Anyone?
[04:38] <reisio> netlar: up to you
[04:38] <hitsujiTMO> netlar do you use a lot of ppas?
[04:38] <rosco> phillips 16GB mp3 player.  plays video.
[04:38] <reisio> rosco: need the model #
[04:38] <netlar> hitsujiTMO: I have several ppas yes
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> smaudet: you say you can recover from a zero command after?
[04:39] <smaudet> yup
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  so FIND a video that works on the player... put the video on the pc.. and look at what codec its useing
[04:39] <rosco> Dr_Willis: i don't have a video that plays on player.  this is the issue.
[04:39] <smaudet> I mean I don't personally have the equipment sitting on my desk
[04:39] <smaudet> but if you're dealing with the FBI a zero command does about nadda
[04:39] <moppy> Dionist: you could tr with WINE as well. flash on linux doesn't work properly except for google chrome
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  hit up google i gues suntill you find a mention in some docs somewhere as to what codecs it supports
[04:39] <hitsujiTMO> netlar: best to purge them before the upgrade ... ppas are the no1 cause of problems that i've seem, after graphics
[04:39] <reisio> smaudet: that is apocryphal AIUI
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  or just start trying things
[04:39] <reisio> nobody has shown you can recover data fro a zero'd drive
[04:39] <cbilljones> compiz was just using 2.5 gigs of ram on my pc
[04:39] <lotuspsychje> smaudet: well i need a fast way to crash all hd's and data sit on it with one button
[04:40] <Dionist> moppy, I also opened it on google chrome, It still had that broken loop.
[04:40] <smaudet> reisio, erm
[04:40] <Dionist> It's not due to the format or what I opened it with.
[04:40] <smaudet> reisio, I'm pretty sure they have done it
[04:40] <netlar> hitsujiTMO: Graphics is my main concern
[04:40] <moppy> a zero fill can be recovered. the secure fill is 7+ wipes with 0s and 1s. that wont be recovered
[04:40] <reisio> smaudet: right, but they haven't
[04:40] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: actually it has been demonstrated .... just costs waay too much to do
[04:40] <reisio> smaudet: _very_ common myth
[04:40] <netlar> hitsujiTMO: I had to spend some time configuring it for 13.04
[04:40] <rosco> i found the model on the phillips gogear website.  it doesn't say much.  i guess b/c it is so old.  Dr_Willis
[04:40] <reisio> hitsujiTMO: no it hasn't, not on any disks people still use
[04:40] <rosco> what is a codec?
[04:41] <reisio> besides forensics isn't how a person gets your data
[04:41] <reisio> room service is
[04:41] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  how the vidoe is encoded
[04:41] <moppy> reisio: forensics recover 0 filled drives all the time.
[04:41] <rosco> i found this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=875044
[04:41] <Dionist> moppy It's save data from that game stored somewhere with the glitchy loop saved, so every time I open the game, even downloading a new one, it still has that glitchy loop.
[04:41] <reisio> moppy: link me to a single documented instance
[04:41] <rosco> but links are dead
[04:41] <Dionist> moppy Even on Google Chrome!
[04:41] <smaudet> reisio, no, I believe they can do it, because they don't go at it with the normal disk head
[04:41] <smaudet> they take the platters out and do a very fine analysis
[04:41] <reisio> smaudet: belief is a wonderful quality
[04:42] <smaudet> reisio, right, and I'm looking for the articles to back me up
[04:42] <reisio> smaudet: it just isn't necessarily to do with reality
[04:42] <Dionist> I even tried to fix it by deleting all the flash cache, disk cache, every form of memory source I could find...
[04:42] <reisio> smaudet: I'd be interested if you found one
[04:42] <Dionist> Still pulling up glitched save data.
[04:42] <Dionist> This is driving me insane.
[04:42] <smaudet> reisio, like I said I'm pretty sure they exist, unless the Forensic Major was spouting nonsense about the PhD work going on in their field
[04:42] <reisio> smaudet: that is much more likely
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  some times those players came with converter software. you just need to use it to convert one video to a format it can pley. then determine the info from that file
[04:43] <reisio> it is a _wiiiidddeeely_ held belief, with no evidence to back it up
[04:43] <apb> i'm trying to remove permissions on a dir.  I'm doing chmod 0 dir  It's not working.  I've also tried chmod o-rwx dir  ... no change.  It's still 777.  I'm perplexed.
[04:43] <stimoceiver> hi, been ogling google for the past couple days, looking for the definitive route to get RADEON HD4xxx series driver support instead of nouveaux?
[04:43] <Dionist> Alright then. Is anyone other than moppy willing to help, recommend ideas, anything?
[04:43] <reisio> perpetuated by people who tink the government (who mandates more than zero fill) is actually smart, and not just paid by the hour
[04:43] <rosco> Dr_Willis: you've mentioned
[04:43] <reisio> s/tink/think
[04:43] <rosco> codec and info.  where do i get this?
[04:43] <reisio> stimoceiver: what make/model device do you have?
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  codec is HOW the video is saved.
[04:44] <reisio> rosco: ffmpeg -i foo.avi
[04:44] <rosco> Dr_Willis: in other words, the extension?
[04:44] <reisio> rosco: no
[04:44] <stimoceiver> reisio: radeon HD4870
[04:44] <reisio> ross`: ffmpeg -i foo.avi 2>&1 | egrep -i 'video:|audio:'
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  again.. the file name itself means nothing.. thats for YOUR benifit
[04:44] <Dionist> Are people looking into it or are you all just ignoring me?
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  renameing foo.txt to foo.avi does not make that file a video.
[04:45] <reisio> Dionist: we don't know what you're talking about, 'cause it's not in our chat buffer
[04:45] <rosco> okay.  so where do i get the "codec?"  is it a number sequence?
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_codec
[04:45] <reisio> ross`: ffmpeg -i foo.avi 2>&1 | egrep -i 'video:|audio:'
[04:45] <reisio> rosco: ffmpeg -i foo.avi 2>&1 | egrep -i 'video:|audio:'
[04:45] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  you find a video that works.. and determine what codec the video is using
[04:45] <reisio> whoops
[04:45] <stimoceiver> reisio: radeon HD4870 is the make/model of videocard I have
[04:45] <reisio> stimoceiver: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[04:46] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  untill you find one that works.. or some docs saying what codec it supports.. we cant really do much more
[04:46] <rosco> Dr_Willis: renaming foo.xls to foo.ods works for me
[04:46] <reisio> rosco: it's highly likely if you specify the model number, there is documentation online to be found
[04:46] <stimoceiver> reisio: thanks
[04:46] <rosco> reisio: i've no idea what you're typing
[04:46] <reisio> rosco: because those are both just opened by an office app that determines the format afterwards
[04:47] <reisio> rosco: it's a command
[04:47] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  he gave the command to determine the codecs from a video file you find that plays on your player
[04:47] <stimoceiver> reisio: i looked at this before, there doesnt appear to be anything about what to do if it isn't automatically detected
[04:47] <reisio> if you have VLC, you can right click and get the info, too, but I'm not sure it'll be as useful
[04:47] <Dionist> Attempted to open .swf game in Gnash to play it. Gnash attempts to play it all at once, breaking it and playing it unplayable. Delete the .swf and download a new one of same game, tried playing on browser instead, seems to work... until I try to open a new game, and turns out it saved that broken loop Gnash caused as game data. Attempt to delete the game data by clearing cache everywhere I can, even disk cache. Still opens up the br
[04:47] <Dionist> There!
[04:47] <reisio> Dionist: cut off
[04:47] <rosco> http://www.usa.philips.com/c/mp3-media-player/gogear-ariaz-16gb-sa4ara16kf_37/prd/en/
[04:47] <reisio> Dionist: why not use Adobe's Flash player?
[04:48] <reisio> stimoceiver: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:48] <Dionist> Reisio, the point is that even when I can play the game properly, as I've found a way to, it still tries to open the result of the Gnash broken loop as game data, re-breaking the game!
[04:48] <reisio> Dionist: I'd stop using gnash
[04:49] <smaudet> reisio, A) prove you aren't a disinformation agent spreading lies to make it easier to steal data  ( ;) ) B) I don't think it is 'without proof', I don't know what research you have or havent' done into the subjec tyourself
[04:49] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: why not use chrome and it's flash player?
[04:49] <stimoceiver> reisio: I dont seem to be able to get either the open source radeon driver or the proprietary one to function.
[04:49] <Dionist> Reisio, so I can't play the game even then unless I delete that glitched game data, but I deleted all the cache I can find, already uninstalled and deleted Gnash!
[04:49] <reisio> rosco: http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/s/sa4ara16kf_37/sa4ara16kf_37_dfu_aen.pdf
[04:49] <Dionist> Is anyone freaking reading anything I'm saying!?
[04:49] <wylde> rosco, WMV9: 320 x 240, 30 fps, 512kbps <--- you have to convert the videos you want to that.
[04:49] <reisio> smaudet: I don't have to, you have no evidence, that is the definition of unproven
[04:50] <reisio> Dionist: you listening to me when I suggest not using gnash?
[04:50] <stimoceiver> reisio: part of the problem seems to be my system is using nouveaux instead of the open/source radeon driver
[04:50] <stimoceiver> reisio:
[04:50] <hitsujiTMO> stimoceiver: bouveaux = nvidia
[04:50] <hitsujiTMO> nouveaux*
[04:50] <stimoceiver> hitsujiTMO: whats a definitive command line to tell me which driver X is using?
[04:50]  * wilee-nilee reaches for the tinfoil 
[04:51] <Dionist> Reisio- I stopped using Gnash ages ago, I uninstalled it and everything, but it somehow saved the broken loop as game data somewhere so even if I open up the game in Google Chrome, it opens up the broken game data automatically and re-breaks it!
[04:51] <reisio> wylde: where's that from?
[04:51] <Dionist> That's the fourth time already I had to explain it!
[04:51] <reisio> stimoceiver: that's unlikely, because of what hitsujiTMO said
[04:51] <hitsujiTMO> stimoceiver: i actually cant think of one
[04:51] <wylde> reisio, http://www.usa.philips.com/c/mp3-media-player/gogear-ariaz-16gb-sa4ara16kf_37/prd/en/?t=specifications Very bottom under "Video Playback"
[04:51] <reisio> Dionist: if you say so, I hadn't seen that bit before
[04:51] <smaudet> reisio: you have no evidence either
[04:51] <reisio> wylde: heh
[04:51] <reisio> smaudet: which is why I don't believe it can be done
[04:51] <smaudet> so its your word against mine
[04:52] <hitsujiTMO> stimoceiver: whats loaded in your Xorg.0.log
[04:52] <hitsujiTMO> ?
[04:52] <Dionist> Reisio- I've tried everything I can think of, including purging all cache data I could!
[04:52] <smaudet> reisio: ok, would you say
[04:52] <smaudet> that magnetic ghosting measurement equipment exists?
[04:52] <smaudet> And that disaster drive recover shops exist?
[04:52] <stimoceiver> hitsujiTMO: looking, sec
[04:52] <rosco> reisio: thank you.  that didn't come w/ the player
[04:53] <Dionist> I'm getting the impression Reisio isn't exactly reliable.
[04:53] <reisio> wylde: wonder why it isn't in the PDF, heh
[04:53] <Dionist> Is there anyone else who has actually read what I had said?
[04:53] <reisio> smaudet: it's not my word against yours
[04:53] <reisio> smaudet: it's my word and science against your word alone
[04:53] <wylde> reisio, it certainly should be.
[04:53] <smaudet> reisio, what science?
[04:53] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: can you confirm gnash is not in chrome://plugins   ??
[04:53] <reisio> smaudet: science is the measure of truth
[04:53] <smaudet> reisio, *facepalm*
[04:54] <smaudet> you do have to present your science
[04:54] <RedRyder> I run a system comprised of, a MSI970A-G43 motherboard, with an AMD AthlonII x2270 processor x2, versa:turks graphics.31.3 gb RAM, and 458.3gb HDD. I have installed and run Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.  This box runs 24/7 as my OSGrids are on it. For some unknown reason my grid viewer Imprudence and my web browser Firefox unexpectedly shut down.is there a fix for this problem someplace?
[04:54] <smaudet> otherwise it is just your word against mine
[04:54] <reisio> Dionist: sorry was my being the only person helping you bothering you? I can fix that
[04:54] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO- No, it's not in the chrome plugins.
[04:54] <smaudet> So its my logic and my word against your lack of logic, no science, and your word, so far ;)
[04:54] <reisio> smaudet: it's not relevant, but a lack of evidence for something makes it (highly) unlikely
[04:54] <apb> Dionist: I've only read a little of what you wrote..... but.. by what method did you uninstall Gnash?
[04:55] <smaudet> reisio, ah, but its not a lack of evidence
[04:55] <smaudet> Its not a disputable fact that there are drive disaster recovery shops
[04:55] <smaudet> (which is evidence that destroyed drives can be recovered)
[04:55] <Dionist> apb- Standard uninstall the same way I installed it- via software center. So is there gnash data somewhere I need to delete?
[04:55] <reisio> smaudet: are you just bored? I'm not sure how you're so invested in this, especially since you clearly have nothing to back it up...
[04:56] <rosco> reisio: i didn't find much in the manual.  it says to transfer from the media library (windows).  no mention of extensions and i don't know where to look for codec
[04:56] <reisio> people are wrong about things all the time, it's not a big deal if your turn came up is it?
[04:56] <smaudet> reisio, eh, I just enjoy a bit of banter
[04:56] <hitsujiTMO> smaudet: reisio's logic is sound ... the burden of proof is on those making the claim
[04:56] <reisio> rosco: right, but wylde found it
[04:56] <smaudet> And there seems to be indication that ghosting equipment exists
[04:56] <reisio> rosco: install ffmpeg and let someone know
[04:56] <Dionist> Reisio- What help? You acted conceited and repeated a 'suggestion' that I explained each time didn't help as I already did so.
[04:56] <smaudet> The number quoted is that there is a 56% chance of recovery
[04:57] <reisio> smaudet: by what? Other people who can't link to documentation proving it's been done? :)
[04:57] <reisio> Dionist: hi
[04:57] <smaudet> reisio, that is the only hole in my proof so far
[04:57] <reisio> smaudet: quoted where, by whom
[04:57] <smaudet> I don't have access to any of this ghosting equipment
[04:57] <smaudet> and I don't know where to buy it ;)
[04:57] <reisio> 'cause it doesn't exist
[04:57] <smaudet> no no no
[04:58] <reisio> if you like I could link you to an NSA document aligned with my own views on this matter
[04:58] <smaudet> reisio, that would be a start
[04:58] <reisio> a start :p
[04:58] <rosco> wylde: thank you.  i was just looking at that.  hxw plus rate and some sort of memory speed
[04:58] <Dionist> apb- did you get my answer?
[04:58] <smaudet> reisio, why are you so invested in in destroying this claim?
[04:58] <hitsujiTMO> since the channel is getting busy with those that are looking for support can we move offtopic convos to #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:59] <et09_> hi - i'm having a problem, pulse doesn't recognize my intel audio, but alsa does
[04:59] <smaudet> I'm only interested in the truth, not being right or wrong ;)
[04:59] <reisio> smaudet: it wastes HOURS and HOURS of people's time, for nothing
[04:59] <apb> Dionist: See if there is a .gnash directory in your home dir.  It would be hidden.
[04:59] <reisio> days
[04:59] <et09_> looked up about 20 debugging guides, nothing
[04:59] <Patero-ng> hola
[04:59] <et09_> no clue what to do
[04:59] <smaudet> reisio, I guess, pm?
[04:59] <Dionist> apb- I thought of that and tried that as well. No, the .gnash directory is gone as well.
[04:59] <et09_> hey reisio
[04:59] <reisio> smaudet: sure
[04:59] <reisio> et09_: hi
[04:59] <apb> Dionist: Try apt-get purge gnash
[04:59] <sophie_> What does 777 mean in regards to permissions?
[05:00] <et09_> sophie_: all read write and execute
[05:00] <rosco> ffmpeg installed
[05:00] <Patero-ng> hello I can't change the time on ubuntu
[05:00] <sophie_> So free for all?
[05:00] <reisio> smaudet: http://www.hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dd_(Unix)#Recovery_of_overwritten_data
[05:00] <et09_> yep
[05:00] <rosco> wylde: or reisio
[05:00] <sophie_> thanks
[05:00] <rosco> ^
[05:00] <reisio> rosco: alright, what I'd do first, because if it works it'll be the easiest in the long run, is to simply run ffmpeg -i sourceFile.whatever newFile.wmv
[05:01] <reisio> rosco: and see if it works
[05:01] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: have you you tried using the date command?
[05:01] <reisio> rosco: the .wmv, that is, on the player
[05:01] <wylde> rosco, I'm looking on askubuntu. I'm not sure if ffmpeg can do wmv9 but I'm no authority on the matter.
[05:01] <apb> Dionist: I don't know how much you know, so just to make sure...  hidden files can only be seen using ls -a (I prefer ls -la)
[05:01] <Patero-ng> I go to time and date I select location but the clock still gives me some oher ime
[05:01] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: but I want ubuntu to get time from internet I dont; want to set manualy
[05:02] <wylde> rosco, I jumped in the convo a little late. Refresh my memory. You need to get file to play on the device correct? Not from the device on the computer?
[05:02] <Dionist> apb- I already know how to reveal hidden data. It's how I attempted to delete all cache in the first place. I tried purging gnash, the issue is still there. I suspect it's because the game produced save data, and that save data is hidden somewhere.
[05:02] <apb> Patero-ng: You need to setup NTP if it's not already.
[05:02] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: try: ntpdate ntp.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <Dionist> apb- except I've deleted all sources that could possibly contain that save data and it's still corrupted.
[05:02] <rosco> i have one mkv file and one mp4
[05:03] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: you can add that as a daily cron to keep resync
[05:03] <apb> Dionist: wipe the game and start over?
[05:03] <reisio> rosco: ffmpeg -i a.mkv anew.wmv
[05:03] <Patero-ng> ok thanks all
[05:04] <Dionist> apb- Done that. Four times.
[05:04] <reisio> rosco: ffmpeg -i a.mkv -s 320x240 anew.wmv
[05:04] <apb> Dionist: Wipe the game, reboot to make sure nothing in memory and start over?
[05:04] <Dionist> apb- Also did that.
[05:05] <moppy> reisio: looking at those 2 links. the first they offer $100 prize for somethin that needs an electron microsope; no surprise no takers. the second article on DD says "Zeroing the drive will render any data it contains irrecoverable by software; however it still may be recoverable by special laboratory techniques."
[05:05] <apb> Dionist: Dunno.  Contact the authors.
[05:05] <Dionist> apb- I can instruct you what I did, so you can try recreating it.
[05:05] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: is this swf online or have you downloaded it?
[05:05] <rosco> its been too long.  in terminal i'm in home directory.  how to go to desktop?
[05:06] <Patero-ng> that's a noob question
[05:06] <wylde> rosco, 'cd Desktop'
[05:06] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO- Downloaded. And don't tell me to use it in Google Chrome, I already tested that. Same saved loop glitch.
[05:06] <reisio> moppy: the second refers to a very long document the content of which I have read more of than you
[05:06] <reisio> moppy: read the epilogue
[05:06] <rosco> k
[05:06] <wylde> Patero-ng, not a welcome comment here
[05:06] <moppy> reisio: the second link was this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dd_
[05:07] <moppy> reisio: nothing there, but goes to DD
[05:07] <reisio> moppy: 'refers to'
[05:07] <rosco> wylde: a file was produced.  let me transfer to player and see if it works
[05:08] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO, apb, do you need PM with how I ended up with the glitch?
[05:08] <Dionist> So you can try to recreate it?
[05:08] <blurkis> Dionist, sorry for jumping in like this, but its a flash-game you are trying to play locally in the browser? and it wont work? Does it work for another user on your computer? that is, create a new user and try it.
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  linux is Case Senesetive. ;) desktop is not the same as Desktop (somthing to rember)
[05:09] <moppy> reisio: what epilogue?
[05:10] <ianorlin> I know this is way back in scroll up but to find out what runs alt+f2 if it is not a shell can't you use xprop WM_CLASS?
[05:10] <wylde> ooo I should've mentioend that Dr_Willis
[05:10] <Dionist> blurkis- it's not the flash game itself, as I keep trying to say, but that it's saved the corruption as save data somewhere, so no matter what, if I try to open it up anywhere, it automatically tries to open up that same data, and... bam, glitch.
[05:10] <Danny> hi
[05:10] <Patero-ng> comcast reduced my download speed from 20mbps tp 4
[05:10] <Patero-ng> and we still pay the same
[05:10] <wylde> Dionist, are you certain the relevant data is actually saved locally?
[05:11] <Danny> i have a problem i installed ubuntu bios time is wrong
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  ive been paying for '2' and been getting 40 ;) for months
[05:11] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: the only thing i can think of that is in common with your problem is the .swf file ... you ran it in 2 independant flash players and got the same glitch so that gives me the impression that the .swf is corrupt.   did gnash break the .swf file?
[05:11] <paul> Hi all
[05:11] <Danny> ubuntu os time is right bios isnt
[05:11] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: what isp
[05:11] <blurkis> Dionist, so gnash it self bails out? And it *works* for a new user? have you tried that?
[05:11] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  comcast
[05:11] <Danny> how do i fix it
[05:11] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: you pray alot?
[05:11] <wylde> Danny, it's not uncommon for the bios to be set to UTC.
[05:12] <moppy> Dionist: http://flasm.sourceforge.net/
[05:12] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO- I've deleted the .swf and downloaded a new game, still has the same glitch, so I know it isn't due to the .swf itself, but data saved separately somewhere.
[05:12] <Danny> wyldye what you mean
[05:12] <blurkis> Danny, if ubuntu gets the right time via for example ntp,  why care about bios having wrong time? as long as ubuntu gets it right?
[05:12] <Dionist> blurkis- I stopped using gnash already and deleted it when I saw it wouldn't play the game right. But when it tried to play everything, it must have activated save data, and saved the corrupted data.
[05:12] <moppy> Dionist: it couldbe a drm check in the  game, not data corruption
[05:12] <Danny> i dont have ntp installed
[05:13] <paul> I'm having an issue when I try and extract a tar file into a folder /Home/Paul/Program Files
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  so.. why does bios time matter?
[05:13] <paul> I receive an error ..
[05:13] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: then i'd go with wyldes idea that thr .swf is pulling resources from elsewhere and that one of them is corrupt
[05:13] <paul> "An error occurred while extracting files.
[05:13] <wylde> Danny, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time
[05:13] <paul> Error setting owner: Operation not permitted.
[05:13] <Danny> dr willes cause when i was using windows os time and bios where right
[05:13] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: have you tested the .swf on a different system?
[05:13] <paul> can someone please assist?
[05:13] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO- Exactly, and my problem is how the hell do I find that corrupt data so I can purge it!?
[05:13] <Dr_Willis> paul:  and your 'program files' is on a windows/vfat/ntfs partion?
[05:13] <blurkis> Dionist, if I was you, I would try using a swf in a new user on the computer. That way you can exclude any problems regarding potential saved corrupted files.  since new user = no saved files..
[05:14] <Dionist> blurkis- Except I want to play it on THIS user and THIS computer.
[05:14] <Danny> is there a command line fix it
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  each os can be set to use utc, or its own timezone.   are you saying you boot to windows and the time is wrong now?
[05:14] <paul> no, I've just installed ubuntu 13.10 from scratch, and I've just named the subfolder Program Files.
[05:14] <moppy> doesn't flash have to ask permission to save data locally?
[05:14] <et09_> finally it's fixed
[05:14] <paul> it's the default file system ext?
[05:14] <et09_> pavucontrol's window was small and didn't look like it had a scrollbar
[05:14] <hitsujiTMO> danny, why not enter the bios and set the date there?
[05:14] <reisio> moppy: the on you didn't read :p
[05:14] <Danny> dr willes no my bios
[05:14] <et09_> back to normal it looks like
[05:14] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO- yes it works on the other systems, but I want it to work on this one.
[05:15] <Danny> hitsu i did went back to old time
[05:15] <paul> I haven't changed file permissions on my subfolders so it's quite strange.
[05:15] <Dr_Willis> paul:  use the command line tools.. cd to the directory  try 'unp /path/to/whatever/file.tar.gz'   and pastebin any error messages
[05:15] <Dionist> moppy- it's a generic browser flash game, like off Kongregate or the like, so there wouldn't be DRM issues, I don't think.
[05:15] <moppy> reisio: there was nothing there - was the link correct?
[05:15] <reisio> moppy: yup
[05:15] <moppy> can you repost, i dont have it in buffer then
[05:16] <hitsujiTMO> danny http://www.digitalinternals.com/138/20091122/how-to-prevent-ubuntu-from-setting-bios-clock-to-utc/
[05:16] <Dr_Willis> paul:  id suggest getting of the habit of using Spaces in directory names..
[05:16] <Danny> thanks ill check it out
[05:17] <blurkis> Dionist, btw,  you can for example use the command lsof  in a terminal to see which files a program is using, that way, you can see if gnash is using some sort of files you missed to delete..  i think
[05:17] <reisio> moppy: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html#Epilogue
[05:18] <Dionist> blurkis- This will be the sixth time I said so- I'm not using gnash anymore, it's been deleted and purged off my computer. Only involvement it has is that it produced and hid corrupt save data somewhere, and I can't locate it.
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> move all the files/dirs in the users home to some subdir. ;) and rerun the game.. see what gets made
[05:19] <Danny> im not good with commands
[05:19] <blurkis> Dionist, how can a completly separate flash-program produce a saved-file that corrupts other flash-programs? dont they use seperate folders for save-files?
[05:19] <Danny> hitju im not good with commands
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  i belive its common these days to set the os;s to the same time zone. and let the bios stay at utc.
[05:19] <Danny> to hard for me
[05:19] <hitsujiTMO> Dionist: do you get the same problem if you run the .swf in a different user?
[05:20] <Danny> dr willis i dont have utc
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  what time is your bios saying it is right now?
[05:20] <Danny> 3 000 when its 16 20
[05:20] <crocket> yo
[05:20] <Danny> 300 when its 16 20
[05:20] <Dionist> blurkis- the game I tried to play on it has a save data feature, and Gnash attempted to activate EVERYTHING in the game at once... apparently including the save data. I don't know where the save data went.
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> its 17:20 utc   i belive right now
[05:21] <paul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287124/
[05:22] <Danny> dr willis how do i add utc
[05:22] <Dionist> hitsujiTMO- too busy to test that right now, I will later, but as of right now, I wanna try other suggestions. Maybe find someone with the courage to try reproducing the issue themselves.
[05:22] <blurkis> Dionist, I dont think there is a universal directory for saving flash-based programs data.  So most likely the swf is corrupted. As said before,  please try using THIS swf in your current system but with another user. Just create a new user and copy this swf there, and try it
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> paul:  use the unp command. :) i think you are using the wrong commands
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  add it where?  it should be in your timezone settings.
[05:22] <hitsujiTMO> Dr_Willis: 5:20 utc you mean :P
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> paul:  whats the name of the archive?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> hitsujiTMO:  google just said it was 17:20  wheni typed in 'utc time'
[05:23] <wylde> he was ony 12 hours off ;)
[05:23] <rosco> wylde: it doesn't seemed to have worked.
[05:23] <Danny> dr willis it is still bios showing wrong
[05:23] <paul> mol-0.9.72.1.tar.bz2
[05:23] <rosco> Unable to find a suitable output format for 'Bill.smv'
[05:23] <reisio> ugh, nist.gov is still not 100%
[05:23] <Dionist> blurkis- I've deleted the swf and downloaded a new one several times. Still had the corruption. I've tested it on another computer so I know it's not the .swf itself, but corrupt data somewhere or the like.
[05:23] <reisio> rosco: smv?
[05:23] <RedRyderEnt> I run a system comprised of: a MSI 970A-G43 motherboard, 31.3gb RAM, 458.3gb HDD, vesa:turks graphics, AMD Athlon II x2 270 processor x2, and have loaded Ubuntu 12.04LTS. I run this box 24/7 because I have OpenSim Grids running. The problem I have is that my browser(firefox) and my viewer (Imprudence) constantly shut down unexpextedly. Is there a fix somewhere for this?
[05:23] <rosco> reisio: ?
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  bios dosent matter if you set the os to use Local or UTC time.
[05:23] <reisio> rosco: you were supposed to try a wmv
[05:23] <rosco> yes, yes
[05:24] <reisio> rosco: yes yes?
[05:24] <paul> ok I didn't have unp on the system
[05:24] <paul> I just installed it.
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  of coruse if your battery is dead on the mb. then the clock can be wrong. may as welljust set the os to get the time from the internet
[05:24] <blurkis> Dionist, send the swf to me if you want to. just rightclick my name in the userlist and send it (if you use xchat, and sorry for assuming you dont know how to send in irc)
[05:24] <rosco> oh
[05:24] <Danny> dr willis why is it wrong time in bios normaly with windows its corrtet time
[05:24] <Longfellow> do you just throw out questions in this channel?
[05:24] <hitsujiTMO> danny open the terminal and type: sudo nano /etc/default/rcS
[05:24] <Danny> dr willis my cmos battery isnt dead
[05:24] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  windows is getting the time from teh internet would be my guess
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> if windows gets the right time.. and ubuntu has the right time.. then ive missed the actual problem
[05:25] <Patero-ng> I'm at default in my student loans I own 2000 dollars!
[05:25] <reisio> date -us $(cat </dev/tcp/nist.expertsmi.com/13 | cut -c 7-23)
[05:25] <wylde> rosco, I would have to do some googling. I  don't play with video encoding often. I don't even know if ffmpeg will output wmv9.
[05:25] <rosco> the compooter is working
[05:25] <wilee-nilee> Longfellow, ubuntu related, yes
[05:26] <bazhang> !ot | Patero-ng
[05:26] <rosco> give me a sec wylde.  it may have worked now that i've done what yall asked.
[05:26] <paul> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287141/
[05:26] <Danny> hitsu im not good with commands
[05:26] <Longfellow> well i just upgraded to 13.10 and went thru nautilus to set shared folders and now on my windows machine I can't see those shared folders
[05:26] <Danny> how  can i set ubuntu time to bios
[05:26] <Danny> throw the net
[05:27] <moppy> reisio: is this the only paper on this subject?
[05:27] <Longfellow> I downloaded the samba client and tried setting up the shraes there but still nothing i don't even see the computer on the network now
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  so your ubuntu time is wrong then you are saying?
[05:27] <reisio> moppy: not remotely
[05:27] <Danny> dr willis no i want syn to bios
[05:27] <reisio> people have been wasting time explaining to people that zeroing once is enough for decades
[05:27] <wylde> Danny, to set the bios time you have to reboot, go into the bios settings and adjust the time there.
[05:27] <moppy> modern one, i mean
[05:27] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  i dont see the point in worrying about it..
[05:27] <hitsujiTMO> danny, if you can't copy and paste simple commands then i can't help you i'm afraid
[05:27] <Danny> wydle it chages back
 not much has changed with drives since the ones I've read were writ
[05:28] <Danny> ok histu
[05:28] <wylde> Danny, then your cmos battery is dead would be my thought.
[05:28] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:  you gave the ubuntu user a samba password with 'sudo smbpasswd -a username' ? tried making  the shares guest accessable? can the ubuntu box see its own shares?
[05:28] <Danny> wydle its not dead
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> its just sick
[05:29] <moppy> reisio: the paper is quite well written at the start, lots of citations; the final part is a bit tacked on and nothing to indicate whether it is original research; this is why i ask asking about additional modern papers on the subject. BTW i destroy drives with thermite
[05:29] <hitsujiTMO> danny, what time does it change to after reboot?
[05:29] <Danny> its showing 1 hour behind the time
[05:29] <Longfellow> well i try and keep it simple since its an HTPC so i use the same local user name/password on both machines
[05:30] <reisio> moppy: that's the way to do it :p
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:  im just recalling common tricks ive done over the years to get samba working
[05:30] <Danny> its 4 30 now it say 3 30 in bios
[05:30] <reisio> moppy: before the link to that page at the dd talk page is a paper by the nsa, iirc
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:  it seems windows gets pickier and picker all the time
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  how are you telling what time its saying in the bios?
[05:30] <Longfellow> ok i checked its guest accessible and i just added the smbpassword
[05:30] <Danny> yes dr willis iam
[05:30] <Longfellow> did i screw something up by adding the samba client off the store
[05:30] <moppy> reisio: NIST
[05:30] <moppy> reisio: It's not available anymore
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:  should be fine.
[05:31] <Longfellow> before i could see the computer just not the shares, after the samba client i can't even see the computer
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:   the samba client is just some extra cli tools
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> the samba server is what shares the actual shares.
[05:31] <Longfellow> i have a windows 8 machine and 7 and both can't see the shares... and i double checked the workgroup name is the same
[05:31] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:  ive seen people fight with this.. then   suddendly they show up....
[05:31] <Danny> in windows every thing fine
[05:32] <Danny> plus the bios in windows
[05:32]  * wylde ponders DST being to blame since it's 1 hour.....
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> wylde:  yep. that kicks in  next week? or somtiung like that
[05:32] <wylde> Danny, as Dr_Willis asked. How are you checking the bios time.
[05:33] <wylde> Danny, it's the same bios...whether your in wondows or ubuntu....
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> i still dont see why theres any actual problem. ;) both os's aparently got the right time
[05:33] <wylde> windows*
[05:33] <Longfellow> yeah i'm just wondering if it was the upgrade, I did a clean install because i had issues after trying to upgrade gnome on my unity ubuntu machine
[05:33] <reisio> moppy: http://web.archive.org/web/20111124205856/http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-88/NISTSP800-88_rev1.pdf
[05:33] <Danny> wydle   time in bios differnt then ubuntu
[05:33] <Danny> time
[05:33] <Longfellow> i think i'll just stay straight ubuntu now but not being able to share files is a little frustrating
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  and why is this an issue.  do you really ever look at the bios time?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> Longfellow:  i tend to just use winscp and ssh to transfer files..
[05:34] <Danny> i look nat bios time when im changing styem
[05:34] <wylde> Danny,  how.... are... you... checking... the.. bios.. time? For the record, I agree with Dr_Willis about it being a non-issue.
[05:35] <moppy> reisio: thanks, reading it. btw what do you think of the news sources reporting bradley manning (wikileaks) zero filled his drive? (mind you it was an SSD, so probaby different)
[05:35] <Danny> im not checvking it i did before
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> Danny:  oh.. for a WHOLE 10 sec...   bios is not taking into account DST  is my guess also like  wylde  mentions
[05:36] <Longfellow> but i don't really want to transfer... i just want them available on any computer like song files
[05:36] <Danny> dr willis i chage bios time revert back
[05:36] <RedRyderEnt> I have a system comprised of a: MSI790A-G43 motherboard, AMD Athlon II x2 270 processor x2, 31.3gb of RAM, 458.3gb HDD, Vesa:turks graphics, and running Ubuntu 12.04LTS. This box runs 24/7 as it has my OpenSim Grids on it. For some unknown reason my browser(firefox) and my viewer(Imprudence) shut down unexpectedly and with no warnings. Is there a fix somewhere for this problem????
[05:36] <Danny> i wanna syn ubuntu time with bios
[05:36] <Longfellow> i had a simple network share setup and that was wonderful but after the upgrade its a no go
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> bios time here is UTC,  the OS then makes the adjustment  for DST and the Timezone
[05:36] <wylde> same here Dr_Willis
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> you dont sync the bios time with the OS. because the os time changes from UTC
[05:37] <reisio> moppy: that refers to an "attempt" apparently
[05:37] <sophie_> RedRyderEnt, Opensim, nice
[05:37] <Danny> ok ill just froget about it
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> if it did it your way.. then  you would get double+ DST adjustments
[05:37] <Danny> thanks
[05:37] <sophie_> I wish LL would allow  resident owned sims
[05:37] <sophie_> As in ran on non LL servers
[05:37] <reisio> moppy: typical journalism, not enough facts
[05:38] <rosco> wylde: and Dr_Willis this is going to take some time.  ffmpeg is still working in terminal.
[05:38] <apb> oh in case anyone had the slightest interest... I couldn't chmod because the filesystem is fuseblk.  d'oh!
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> rosco:  perhaps you should of tested with a tiny video?
[05:38] <wylde> rosco, yes it will. It has to re-encode the enotire video
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> apb:  what are you accessing over fuseblk?
[05:38] <wylde> entire*
[05:38] <reisio> moppy: you can't really have data on unallocated space, for starters, impossible to know what the actual case was
[05:39] <moppy> reisio: you can if reinstall, as he had
[05:39] <apb> Dr_Willis: an external previously windows xp, drive.
[05:39] <reisio> moppy: no, it's always allocated, I mean I guess you could dd data to a space you aren't technically using, but then you probably wouldn't later wipe it, would you
[05:39] <moppy> reisio: reading the nist paper, they recommend using agency-approved software but dont mention what that is: would you know?
[05:40] <manny0080_> hi
[05:40] <manny0080_> im trying to set up a ssh server and my ssh config file is locked n its not letting me change it
[05:40] <rosco> Dr_Willis: and wylde okay.  thank you both. i'll get back to you when/if it finishes
[05:40] <reisio> moppy: undoubtedly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Industrial_Security_Program
[05:40] <wylde> !sudo | manny0080_
[05:40] <RedRyderEnt> sophie can you offer any help with the shutdown problem?
[05:41] <moppy> "As of the June 2007 edition of the DSS C&SM, overwriting is no longer acceptable for sanitization of magnetic media; only degaussing or physical destruction is acceptable"
[05:41] <moppy> that's from the NISt link you just provided
[05:41] <wylde> manny0080_, make a backup of that file before you modify it anyway.
[05:41] <moppy> reisio: sorry forgot to tag. ^^
[05:42] <reisio> moppy: that was always the case, though
[05:42] <reisio> if you're _that_ worried about the data, that you'd spend THAT LONG ovewriting it, it would be more worth your time to simply physically destroy the device
[05:42]  * wylde likes sandwiching old drives between strong magnets.
[05:42] <moppy> reisio: i did say i used thermite way back :-)
[05:43] <reisio> just agreeing :)
[05:43] <bazhang> !ot
[05:43] <wylde> manny0080_, keep the convo in here pls
[05:44] <manny0080_> how can i change the file type im logging in as root
[05:45] <manny0080_> im trying to set up a ssh server and my ssh config file is locked n its not letting me change it
[05:45] <RedRyderEnt> sophie; have you looked into Metropolis Metaverse? They have a download that works pretty much out of the box.
[05:46] <wylde> manny0080_, to make a backup of a file 'cp oldfile newfile.old' ... what editor are you using?
[05:47] <manny0080_> note pad i think
[05:47] <manny0080_> what ever it opens up in
[05:47] <manny0080_> i tried to change the port setting n save but would not let me save it
[05:47] <wylde> manny0080_, are you using ubuntu? kubuntu? xubuntu?
[05:48] <manny0080_> ubuntu 13
[05:48] <sophie_> RedRyderEnt, no I haven't, I usually just stay on agni
[05:48] <nintendo> hi
[05:48] <wylde> manny0080_, so likely gedit?  Help > About
[05:48] <reisio> wylde: the best I can parse this vague journalism is that he did a zero write, and then added more sensitive data, and merely ordinarily deleted it
[05:48] <oppositescopez> hey
[05:48] <manny0080_> yea it is
[05:48] <oppositescopez> quick question
[05:49] <sophie_> RedRyderEnt, Do you use the SL grid?
[05:49] <reisio> wylde: but I don't imagine we'll ever truly know
[05:49] <reisio> nintendo: sup
[05:49] <reisio> oppositescopez: gogogogo
[05:49] <manny0080_> i tried to google it n cant find anything
[05:49] <nintendo> i have a dual boot configured on my pc ( win 8 and ubuntu 13.10 ), i wanna partition the drive that ubuntu uses, but obviously i can't unmount it from ubuntu using gparted, any alternatives ?
[05:50] <nintendo> drive that uses ubuntu == partition that uses ubuntu
[05:50] <RedRyderEnt> sophie; if you ever go to Metro look me up, I have 2 16 region grids and a 4 region grid. 16's are Ryder1 and Ryderville. come spend a while exploring.
[05:50] <wylde> manny0080_, gksudo gedit /etc/I/don't/remember/the/path/to/ssh/configfile
[05:50] <manny0080_> it said to su to root n then illl be able to save it but still nothing
[05:50] <mgsk> Any idea why the terminal doesn't respect my "close window" key binding?
[05:50] <mgsk> God, I hate ubuntu.
[05:50] <oppositescopez> hehe ok, well i dual boot and to lazy to switch back to ubuntu just to ask :P. so i have my dx diag. and about to get like $300 . anyone want to look over it and reccoment what i upgrade?
[05:50] <sophie_> RedRyderEnt, nice, will my avatar/account from the SL grid work there?
[05:51] <reisio> oppositescopez: mmm sure?
[05:51] <oppositescopez> oh
[05:51] <oppositescopez> reisio:  hehe ok, well i dual boot and to lazy to switch back to ubuntu just to ask :P. so i have my dx diag. and about to get like $300 . anyone want to look over it and reccoment what i upgrade?
[05:51] <wylde> manny0080_, 'gksudo gedit /etc/ssh/sshd_config' edit, save, restart ssh 'sudo service ssh restart'
[05:51] <manny0080_> /etc/ssh/ssh_config
[05:51] <nintendo> damn, sometimes getting answers can be difficult here
[05:52] <RedRyderEnt> sophie, I have an account on SL but since they want money for everything I rarely use it. It's why I went to OSGrid in the first place. Do you have an account with OS?
[05:52] <oppositescopez> reisio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287197/
[05:52] <wylde> nintendo, boot from a live disk/usb install gparted and partition all you like?
[05:52] <sophie_> RedRyderEnt, I believe I do since I went onto it once
[05:53] <crocket> Can I run hexchat on kubuntu active running on Nexus 7?
[05:53] <jtr> is there a good mount and partition utility for linux partitions via windows ?
[05:53] <reisio> oppositescopez: you want to spend all $300?
[05:53] <Ben64> jtr: no, use gparted in linux
[05:53] <reisio> jtr: not really no
[05:53] <wylde> jtr, boot from a live disk/usb install gparted and partition all you like?
[05:53] <reisio> crocket: probably, with effort and wasted resources (and not KDE)
[05:54] <RedRyderEnt> sophie; you should be able to hypergrid from OSG to Metropolis. That's where I am as it was real easy to set up regions on their grid.
[05:54] <oppositescopez> reisio: yea thats what i got it for
[05:54] <crocket> reisio, Kubuntu active is KDE.
[05:54] <crocket> KDE's tablet interface
[05:54] <sophie_> RedRyderEnt, I'll see if it works
[05:54] <crocket> It is a proper linux.
[05:54] <oppositescopez> reisio: well selling an xbox 360 with about 26 games and also a 5 cd changer party stereo system should get around that much and all that i get from that is going into my computer.
[05:54] <jtr> the usb idea sound good, i can't gpart it on linux coz its only one partition and is used by linux
[05:54] <RedRyderEnt> sophie; cool
[05:54] <reisio> crocket: active?
[05:55] <reisio> oppositescopez: >=4gb ram is a good idea, and maybe a new proc with more cores and more extensions
[05:55] <jtr> wylde, what's the fastest way to get a live usb up and running ?
[05:55] <wylde> jtr, it's not used if you don't mount it in the live environment.
[05:55] <manny0080_> ok it worked ty
[05:55] <oppositescopez> reisio: so thats about an estimate
[05:55] <wylde> jtr, dd?
[05:55] <jtr> wylde, yup,  got that
[05:56] <wylde> jtr, dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/whatevertheusbis
[05:56] <MissValeska> I need help! Grub does not detect my hard drive!
[05:56] <MissValeska> I've even reinstalled grub with boot-repair!
[05:56] <jtr> wylde, thanks man
[05:56] <MissValeska> It lists my other hard drives, But not this one I am currently booted into! It does not list it when I type update-grub
[05:56] <wylde> jtr, np :)
[05:57] <oppositescopez> reisio: yea i was planning on spending most on a new processor. but do you think if i put like $200 in a processor would that be more than what my graphics card could run?.. im looking to get a good evening out right now because my processor just maxes out when i barely run anything
[05:57] <crocket> reisio : "plasma active" is KDE's tablet interface, and kubuntu active is a distro built on top of "plasma active".
[05:57] <crocket> reisio, It runs on Nexus 7.
[05:57] <crocket> It is a proper linux.
[05:57] <oppositescopez> reisio: yet i have a graphics card that has the potential to run newer stuff
[05:57] <wylde> jtr, my bad that dd line will need sudo heh
[05:57] <reisio> crocket: on metal, or under android?
[05:57] <crocket> reisio, It can dual boot or replace android.
[05:57] <Patero-ng> I cant change the mode bit of a file in my ubuntu I want to change it from rw to rwx I type chmod +x -v file and verbose tells me it changed but when I do ls -l the file still shows as rw why? the file owner is the same as my account so I don't need sudo but trying sudo doesn't anytning either
[05:57] <reisio> oppositescopez: I don't think that'd be a problem, would talk to #hardware, though
[05:58] <reisio> crocket: neat... got a link?
[05:58] <crocket> reisio, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7isMAmwW0
[05:58] <reisio> crocket: maybe one with words
[05:58] <crocket> ok
[05:58] <reisio> :D
[05:58] <wylde> Patero-ng, is the file on an ntfs/vfat filesystem?
[05:58] <jtr> wylde, i should pretend not to know that :P
[05:59] <crocket> reisio, http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active
[05:59] <reisio> thanks
[05:59] <wylde> jtr, it would have complained at you anyway :P
[05:59] <Patero-ng> wylde: true is a ntfs
[06:00] <jtr> wylde, predictable isn't it :P
[06:00] <Hawkerz> What is the essential difference between LXC and something like chroot
[06:00] <wylde> Patero-ng, ntfs doesn't support those attributes.
[06:00] <crocket> reisio, Finally, a proper linux OS on tablets.
[06:00] <reisio> crocket: yeah, I don't even care about the UI so much as just having a real GNU/Linux base
[06:00] <Patero-ng> wylde: so then how can I execute it? tab doesn't complete the file name
[06:00] <reisio> and it's about new phone time, anyways
[06:01] <crocket> The trouble is that the screen keyboard doesn't seem to support korean letters.
[06:01] <reisio> awe they're tablet tablets?
[06:01] <crocket> reisio, Nexus 7 is an android tablet.
[06:01] <reisio> that's nice, but I was hoping it was a phone form factor :)
[06:01] <wylde> Patero-ng, double check your path, or move the affected file(s) onto a linux filesystem and set chmod +x
[06:01]  * reisio is crushed
[06:03] <moppy> with the nexus the number is the screen size in inches
[06:03] <rosco> wylde: Dr_Willis I get the same error message on player.  file format not supported.
[06:03] <moppy> so the phone is nexus 4
[06:03] <rosco> wmv file converted from wkv using ffmpeg
[06:04] <rosco> sorry, from mkv  Dr_Willis & wylde ^
[06:04] <crocket> reisio, http://dot.kde.org/2013/09/05/plasma-active-4-ready-when-you-are
[06:04] <crocket> It can be customized to work on smartphones.
[06:05] <reisio> yeah it's not a problem with the software, but with the firmware that comes with phones
[06:05]  * moppy wonders what the battery life will be
[06:05] <reisio> and the weird/unsupported hardware, potentially
[06:05] <wylde> rosco, I suspected as much.  I really suspect it HAS to be wmv9. I'm not personally aware of linux tools to do that conversion. But, like I said, I do very little in the way of video encoding.
[06:05] <moppy> desktop linux on a phone is going to drain the battery really quick
[06:06] <moppy> android is so power conscious it even tries to reduce the gpu's frame rate during games
[06:06] <reisio> I'd be happy with GNU/Linux and an HTML engine
[06:07] <reisio> I'm pretty sure I'd save masses of energy
[06:07] <reisio> since I'd be able to actually keep millions of applications from running when I haven't asked them to, among other things :p
[06:07] <rosco> wylde: i doubt there is much demand to push for a linux conversion tool for this mp3 player that is apparently antiquated since phones started having this in them.  thank you both, wylde and Dr_Willis very much for your help
[06:08] <wylde> rosco, those things do come with windows software IIRC that do those conversions.
[06:08] <moppy> android bloatware is a problem, yea, the phone oems want to shadow google's own apps in case, like, google gets angry with them one day
[06:09] <bazhang> moppy, stay on topic please
[06:09] <Patero-ng> wylde: after creating a ext4 partition with gparted do I need to format that partition or can I use it off gparted work
[06:09] <rosco> wylde: i'm not following.  would i have to use wine?  i never figured that out
[06:10] <rosco> wylde: from what the manual said, stick video files in the media player and all is taken care of.
[06:10] <wylde> rosco, I have doubts about it working in wine. full blown windows or possibly a vm. I've only messed with gogear once and that was for a family member some months ago.
[06:11] <wylde> rosco, yeah I think  their software integrate with wmp and does the conversion when you 'sync' videos to the player.
[06:11] <moppy> sorry; what file type are you trying to play?
[06:11] <rosco> wylde: ok.
[06:12] <wylde> Patero-ng, if you created the partition and applied the changes you  should be ready to go.
[06:14] <wylde> moppy, rosco has a gogear mp3 player that also plays wmv9 videos. http://www.usa.philips.com/c/mp3-media-player/gogear-ariaz-16gb-sa4ara16kf_37/prd/en/?t=specifications
[06:16] <moppy> wylde: i cant imagine mp3 or wmv9 isnt playing ... ?
[06:16] <rosco> wylde: what does that mean?  it won't play wmv files or am i wrong?
[06:16] <rosco> music mp3's play fine, moppy
[06:16] <Yakisoba> Hi all :) I'm starter user. Need help. Who knows where to download Wubi? When i write "Wubi download" to google - the first results - to the description on the official website. Someone can give me a link to single file?
[06:16] <wylde> moppy, it's converting the files to wmv9 that's the issue
[06:17] <rosco> i've not converted to wmv9, yet
[06:17] <moppy> wylde: oh i see
[06:17] <Ben64> does it play anything other than wmv
[06:18] <wylde> Ben64, not according to it's spec page
[06:18] <rosco> Picture/Display
[06:18] <rosco>     Backlight: Yes
[06:18] <rosco>     Type: LCD
[06:18] <rosco>     Diagonal screen size (cm): 6.10 cm
[06:18] <rosco>     Diagonal screen size (inch): 2.4 inch
[06:18] <FloodBot1> rosco: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:18] <rosco>     Resolution: 320 x 240 pixels
[06:21] <wylde> Yakisoba, I'd recommend just running from a live cd/usb if you want to test ubuntu over wubi (is that still around?)
[06:21] <Ben64> wubi isn't recommended, and is being phased out i think
[06:24] <rosco> should i try ffmpeg -i name.mp4 name wmv9 in terminal?  wylde
[06:24] <ObrienDave> not recommended but still in the ISO file :/
[06:25] <wylde> rosco, I honestly don't know. Perhaps someone else will know though. I don't know if ffmpeg can output wmv9.
[06:26] <daixtr> i installed netbeans into my ubuntu, but I can't start a new project it just hangs.. any ideas?
[06:26] <daixtr> i already switched to oracle jre still the same
[06:26] <rosco> wylde: hoping.  sorry about the flood blast.  i copied more than i knew
[06:27] <ObrienDave> FloodBot will get over it ;)
[06:27] <rosco> i really like that floodbot.  works great
[06:27] <Ben64> rosco: just install windows with virtualbox and convert there, linux and wmv don't go together well
[06:28] <rosco> hey Ben64.  the guys in my local LUG never were able to help me get VB or wine going so it could be used.  kinda gave up on those two years ago
[06:29] <Hawkerz> rosco, wine sucked years ago
[06:31] <reisio> years ago it wasn't even version 1
[06:31] <reisio> but it still was useful
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> wine sol.exe    ;)
[06:32] <Hawkerz> yes, notepad :p
[06:32] <reisio> nah, sheep.exe
[06:32] <reisio> windows alternative to xpenguins :)
[06:33] <Hawkerz> now though, I run starcraft in wine pretty regularly
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> wine mspaint.exe
[06:33] <Patero-ng> can not open shared object file that' the error I get while trying to run urban terror on my live ubuntu why
[06:33] <Hawkerz> which shared object file
[06:33] <Dr_Willis> use wine to run windows malware. so you can see what it installs. so you can then remove it on your friends windows machine.
[06:34] <BAMbanda> I'm trying to install a theme, I don't have a .themes folder in my home directory
[06:34] <Hawkerz> wine isn't isolated enough from filesystem access
[06:34] <BAMbanda> can someone point me in the right direction?
[06:34] <Hawkerz> should run your malware in a vm
[06:34] <Patero-ng> Hawkerz: libsdl
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Hawkerz:  live cd ;)
[06:34] <Hawkerz> good enough
[06:34] <Patero-ng> live usb
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> i used a specific user for the testing
[06:35] <Hawkerz> Patero-ng, you need to install the 32 bit libraries for that probably
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> stupid files wrapped in wndows.exe's that wanted to install toolbars and stuff to let you get to the theme/wallpaper/whatever
[06:35] <Hawkerz> are you on a 64bit install?
[06:35] <Patero-ng> Hawkerz: cool
[06:35] <Patero-ng> yes 64
[06:35] <karstenk1977_> hello
[06:36] <Hawkerz> Patero-ng, ii  libsdl1.2debian:i386  <- this is the relevant package on ubuntu 12.04 anyway
[06:36] <michael_87> ok question. I installed ubuntu 13.10 days ago. and there has been no updates since I installed. has there been any updates since launch of 13.10 or am I being paranoid
[06:36] <Hawkerz> there is some metalibrary which autoinstalls all the 32 bit libraries and stuff
[06:36] <sophie_> Am I correct in thinking that if I want to go up  directory I type cd ..
[06:37] <Patero-ng> great
[06:37] <Patero-ng> I need to go now the battery is running low
[06:37] <Patero-ng> oh well
[06:37] <reisio> sophie_: yup
[06:37] <Hawkerz> damnit, i just got the name of that metapackage for him
[06:37] <AtuM> Hawkerz, please post it anyway :)
[06:37] <Hawkerz> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs
[06:38] <sophie_> and the other way to navigate to a folder I Was previously in is to retype the path, so if I'm in /home/sophie/Documents/Newfolder/Folder, and I want to go back to documents, I can type cd /home/sophie/Documents, and it will take me there
[06:38] <Hawkerz> ^ will get you 32 bit support on your 64 bit install
[06:38] <crocket> hmm
[06:38] <reisio> sophie_: or cd -
[06:38] <crocket> sailfish OS seems to be a promising OS.
[06:38] <sophie_> reisio, thanks :)
[06:38] <BAMbanda> how can I run a .deb in software center with root access
[06:38] <karstenk1977_> i have a confusing me problem. every 2min my root server adds my client IP to hosts.deny . I wrote my IP in a file hosts.allow, I make a new file in /etc/allow-hosts and put my IP in there, I added my IP to fail2ban as ignorred - but my root-server continuis adding my IP to deny.hosts. What can I still do?
[06:38] <reisio> sophie_: and if you typed the absolute path (from /) you can hit the up arrow
[06:39] <Hawkerz> BAMbanda, you have two options -- you can either double click it from nautilus or you can run it from the terminal with sudo dpkg -i
[06:39] <reisio> sophie_: or CTRL+r, then type a string that would match (like 'Newfolder')
[06:39] <rosco> Ben64: how about wmv9?  would that codec or extension work?
[06:39] <sophie_> reisio, what exactly is the difference between an absolute and relative path?
[06:39] <BAMbanda> Hawkerz, terminal sounds cooler, thanks
[06:39] <reisio> rosco: according to ffmpeg's site it supports wmv7
[06:39] <reisio> rosco: but I don't know how much I trust philips' site, and it's possible it is partially or wholly backwards compatible
[06:39] <Hawkerz> BAMbanda, it's just sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[06:40] <reisio> sophie_: /foo/bar/ is always at /foo/bar/ no matter where you are
[06:40] <rosco> ffmpeg is still going.  i'll have to wait to try ffmpeg -i name.mp4 name.wmv9
[06:40] <reisio> sophie_: bar/baz is not always at bar/baz depending on where you are
[06:40] <Ben64> BAMbanda: what are you trying to install? .deb is usually the wrong way to get software
[06:40] <reisio> sophie_: nor ../foo
[06:40] <reisio> sophie_: / is absolute, it is always at /
[06:41] <sophie_> hmm
[06:42] <BAMbanda> Ben64, ubuntu-tweak, so I can install themes easier =P
[06:42] <wylde> rosco, just changing the extension in the output filename won't do anything.
[06:42] <reisio> sophie_: it's like "1020 AD" vs "993 years ago" :)
[06:42] <Ben64> BAMbanda: thats available without installing a deb manually
[06:42] <reisio> the former is absolute, the latter relative
[06:42] <Hawkerz> sophie_, think of it like this: when you are walking the linux filesystem, you are telling it how yo ucan get from point A to point B -- '/' is root, and it is the base of your filesystem all the time
[06:42] <AtuM> is there a separate channel for server support?
[06:42] <BAMbanda> Ben64, you mean from apt-get?
[06:42] <reisio> AtuM: /msg alis list *ubunt*serv*
[06:42] <Ben64> AtuM: #ubuntu-server
[06:42] <apb> sophie_:  Absolute path starts with /  that is the root.... the top... the head.  No matter what directory you're currently in, an absolute path will get you to that specific path.  Relative path is in relation to what directory you're currently in and does NOT start with /
[06:42] <Ben64> BAMbanda: indeed
[06:43] <sophie_> Ohh I see
[06:43] <Hawkerz> sophie_, when you pass a path that starts at /, you are saying you would like to go back to the base of the system and walk back up from there
[06:43] <Hawkerz> sophie_, but if you're on 42nd street and you want to get to 50th street, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go all the way to 1st street every time :p
[06:43] <sophie_> Yeah :3
[06:43] <BAMbanda> Ben64, eh, already did the dirty work, no turning back, thanks though
[06:44] <sophie_> So if it's not directly from root, then it's a relative path
[06:44] <Ben64> BAMbanda: keep in mind you can't receive support here anymore then
[06:44] <reisio> rosco: use -t 00:00:10 to make it only do 10 seconds
[06:44] <reisio> rosco: see #ffmpeg for more details
[06:44] <reisio> sophie_: basically
[06:45] <BAMbanda> Ben64, what do you mean
[06:45] <rogston> Has anyone here installed ubuntu minimal on sony vaio pro 13? I've tried different images but the wlan drivers aren't included in them. Ubuntu-live works just fine but I want to do a minimal install.
[06:45] <apb> sophie_: /home/sophie/fun is an absolute path.  ./fun is a relative path - relative to /home/sophie/
[06:45] <reisio> rogston: why minimal?
[06:45] <Ben64> BAMbanda: installing stuff manually like that is unsupported and can cause problems. you cannot get support here with manually installed software.
[06:45] <reisio> rogston: you end up with the same system AFAIK
[06:46] <reisio> apb: sophie_: well, ./fun is relative to where you are at the time :)
[06:46] <sophie_> apb, Oh I see, I think I grasp it now
[06:46] <BAMbanda> Ben64, so my whole system is like not eligible for irc ubuntu support?
[06:46] <reisio> ~/fun would be relative to /home/sophie/
[06:46] <Hawkerz> sophie_, right, and you can chain multiple shortcuts together.  For instance, if you're in /home/sophie/Documents/papers and you want to get to /home/sophie/Downloads, you have to go up 2 directories (back to /home/sophie) and then back down into Downloads. You can do that with a few commands: cd ../../Downloads ; cd ~/Downloads ; cd /home/sophie/Downloads
[06:46] <reisio> and ./fun would be, if you were at /home/sophie/
[06:46] <Hawkerz> all will get you to the same place :p
[06:46] <rogston> reisio: I don't use any of the basic stuff from normal ubuntu and I want to install few packages
[06:46] <Ben64> BAMbanda: you should just install it the normal way --- https://launchpad.net/~tualatrix/+archive/ppa
[06:46] <BAMbanda> Ben64, i will keep that in mind from now on
[06:46] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda... don't worry, someone will still help you. sheesh
[06:47] <apb> reisio: Yes, but I don't want to confuse her.  Start simple, then build to more complex ideas.  I was "speaking" in terms of my example.
[06:47] <BAMbanda> lol
[06:47] <reisio> rogston: the minimal lets you omit a desktop?
[06:47] <reisio> apb: terribad :p
[06:47] <rogston> reisio: with minimal you only have tty terminal and basic linux components
[06:47] <sophie_> I see :3
[06:47] <reisio> rogston: probably worth looking into debootstrap
[06:48] <Hawkerz> BAMbanda, if people refuse to help you, feel free to send me a pm
[06:48] <reisio> rogston: alternatively you could put the wireless stuff you need on the image with the minimal stuff, and manually utilize it
[06:48] <apb> sophie_: pwd is the command that will tell you "where you are", in the file system currently.  It Prints the Working Directory.
[06:48] <Ben64> Hawkerz, BAMbanda: or... just install things on ubuntu the ubuntu way? why make it harder than it needs to be?
[06:48] <BAMbanda> Hawkerz, thanks guys
[06:48] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda... some here will tell you they don't support software added through PPAs. go figure.
[06:48] <BAMbanda> I have respect for those who help people regardless of technical bs
[06:49] <apb> sophie_: If you're in /home/sophie then using anything but a / at the beginning of the path is relative to the current working directory.
[06:49] <Anonynimity> how would I manually add a gpg key to the gnome key ring? EX: I want to add a key - 124CT321
[06:49] <Hawkerz> Ben64, he asked about installing a deb, there are plenty of reasons why people would want to do that, and about half of the 'top 10 things to do after installing...' articles include at least one
[06:50] <sophie_> I just had a go with it I went from / to home
[06:50] <Hawkerz> I don't see why we wouldn't be able to support the use of a feature that is built into linux...
[06:50] <Ben64> Hawkerz: for ubuntu-tweak, which is very easy to install via ppa, and makes it receive updates and is easy to remove, theres no reason to install ubuntu-tweak via deb
[06:50] <reisio> /cellar
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> theres to many ppa's out there - and some can be of very bad quality. the ppa's maker shouldbe the ones supporting them
[06:50] <sophie_> Then got to bin using it
[06:50] <apb> sophie_:  Good for you!
[06:50] <sophie_> Tried it on OS X too to see if it was the same and it worked
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> i coulkd make a ppa thats totally broken. :) and then expect this channel to support it?
[06:50] <BAMbanda> Ben64, I had no knowledge of the alternative methods, I downloaded it from the website. Thanks for letting me know for future installs
[06:51] <apb> sophie_: You can use the tilde character ~ as a substitute for your home directory.  So instead of "cd /home/sophie/fun" you'd type "cd ~/fun"
[06:51] <Hawkerz> Ben64, that is true, but I don't think it would have been the end of the world.  It's not as though dpkg -i is that crazy
[06:51] <sophie_> I'm guessing for the most part the file tree for linux(all?) and BSD/OSX is the same
[06:51] <sophie_> And it will know which of the ones after home to follow?
[06:51] <Ben64> Hawkerz: it's crazy for things you can get from a repository
[06:52] <apb> sophie_: Yes to same file tree
[06:52] <reisio> sophie_: ~/ is equivalent to /home/yourUser/
[06:52] <sophie_> Ahh okay
[06:52] <ObrienDave> Anonynimity... gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv 124ct321
[06:52] <Hawkerz> Ben64, that is true, and it is a good thing to try and make people aware of if they aren't
[06:52] <Anonynimity> thx ObrienDave
[06:54] <reisio> sophie_: although if you happen to be root (which would be rare on Ubuntu), sometime root's home dir is elsewhere, but you get the idea :p
[06:54] <reisio> sometimez
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> now explain what 'root' means. ;) it has like 6 differnt ussages/meanings ;P
[06:54] <sophie_> reisio, yeah, as I understand on ubuntu at least, you operate as a normal user, and invoke root power when you need to administrate something.
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> it not more - heh.
[06:55] <ObrienDave> BAMbanda... nothing really wrong with installing straight from a .deb It is safer to go through the proper repositories
[06:56] <spoudaios> Hello
[06:56] <spoudaios> I`m having some problem with my Ubuntu 13.10
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> !details
[06:56] <reisio> sophie_: that's how you're meant to do it on any system, really, Ubuntu does rather force the issue, however
[06:56] <reisio> kinda
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> some debs though wont show up in the software center or synaptic when installed and are a search to remove
[06:57] <sophie_> So is this forcing you to be a user and invoke super user what we know as the 'permission system'?
[06:57] <spoudaios> After installing version 13.10 my laptop`s screen turns black
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> err.. the packages installed with dpkg -i foo.deb should show up with the apt tools. synaptic can show them theres a filter at the bottom left i recall
[06:57] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, when
[06:57] <Hawkerz> wilee-nilee, not if you're not afraid of manpages
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> Hawkerzi I canj find them mr know it all.
[06:58] <spoudaios> wilee-nilee, When I try to start after all installation process
[06:58] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, At boot?
[06:59] <wilee-nilee> from grub
[06:59] <spoudaios> Befor
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> befor grub?
[06:59] <spoudaios> ops
[06:59] <spoudaios> After
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> be more verbose in your answeres.. lag ans so forth make it very confuseing if you just give 1 word answers
[06:59] <spoudaios> Dr_Willis, Sorry about that
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> 'my system boots grub then goes black, i never see the login screen'  (for example)
[07:00] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | spoudaios try this
[07:00] <reisio> sophie_: hrmmm
[07:00] <Hawkerz> wilee-nilee, I guess my general feeling is that if someone is willing to mess around with the command line enough to install a deb, I support that.  Yes, there are cleaner ways of installing software, but I am not going to discourage someone from learning just because they might have to learn more later
[07:00] <spoudaios> Let me be more specific
[07:00] <reisio> sophie_: classicaly you are part of the 'wheel' group to be able to become root
[07:00] <spoudaios> wilee-nilee, That is really interesting because I`ve done this already
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> also tell the channel what video card you are using, and if its an optimius based system or not.
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, really and felt it was not important to mention?
[07:01] <reisio> sophie_: 'privileges', yeah
[07:01] <wilee-nilee> just ribbing you
[07:01] <sophie_> Ah okay, and OSX shares this system
[07:02] <spoudaios> wilee-nilee, First I selected mode nomodeset and then access the mode to use the system without installing it
[07:02] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, It's installed now right?
[07:02] <HypnotiX> I install nvidia-prime on 13.10 (im running and optimus system) and i get the following error when i try to configure my second monitor: Failed to apply configuration: %s GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files
[07:02] <reisio> sophie_: Mac OS and GNU/Linux are both Unix systems, yup, lot of common ground
[07:03] <reisio> sophie_: and even Windows technically has the same sort of privilege escalation system
[07:03] <reisio> it's just historically awful at it
[07:03] <sophie_> reisio, I thought linux was a 'clone' of unix
[07:03] <reisio> sophie_: yup, GNU/Linux
[07:03] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, have you tried nomodeset from modifying inn grub?
[07:03] <sophie_> But is it a clone in the sense of how things operate AND work, or is it just made to behave like unix?
[07:04] <ObrienDave> Windows is historically awful at most things LOL
[07:04] <spoudaios> wilee-nilee, No. How can I do that
[07:04] <reisio> sophie_: both
[07:04] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, check the link it will show you.
[07:04] <reisio> sophie_: GNU is an on purpose Unix clone, and Linux is a mostly on purpose Unix kernel clone
[07:04] <sophie_> So Linux is in a sense to Unix like ReactOS is to Windows
[07:04] <reisio> mostly on purpose mostly Unix kernel clone :)
[07:04] <reisio> sophie_: basically yeah
[07:05] <spoudaios> wilee-nilee, Thank you so much.
[07:05] <reisio> only GNU probably predates reactos
[07:05] <wilee-nilee> no problem hopefully that works spoudaios
[07:05] <reisio> yes, by 13 years
[07:05] <wilee-nilee> rubuntuOS
[07:05] <Ben64> reisio: there is no wheel group in ubuntu
[07:05] <reisio> predates windows, even
[07:05] <sophie_> So that's why BSD and Linux have a big degree of cross-compatibility
[07:06] <reisio> Ben64: far out
[07:06] <spoudaios> wilee-nilee, Sorry for any inconvenience. I`ll try.
[07:06] <reisio> sophie_: yes, both very Unixy
[07:06] <Ben64> and can we get back on topic here? #ubuntu-offtopic is that way ->
[07:06] <wilee-nilee> spoudaios, Don;t worry about it we just want to help if we can. ;)
[07:08] <Anonynimity> I'm so Happyyyyy!!!!
[07:08] <Anonynimity> installing backtrack inside ubuntu studio inside ubuntu raring
[07:08] <Anonynimity> YAY!
[07:08] <Anonynimity> go ME
[07:08] <ObrienDave> that's off-topic. not allowed ;)
[07:09] <reisio> Anonynimity: car for yo car
[07:09] <Anonynimity> basically reisio
[07:09] <Anonynimity> a car for my car for that car
[07:10] <nii236|irssi> Hey guys, where can I go for some support? I need some help with fstab
[07:10] <reisio> nii236|irssi: /join #ubuntu
[07:10] <nii236|irssi> So here is fine?
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> !fstab | nii236|irssi
[07:10]  * reisio puts index finger to nose
[07:10] <wilee-nilee> I'm installing ubuntu in a potato, inside a pigeon inside a chicken inside a turkey, inside a pig roasted in a pit.
[07:10] <reisio> nii236|irssi: yes
[07:11] <reisio> wilee-nilee: there's documentation of someone doing that with like... 13 birds
[07:11] <reisio> Anonynimity: heh
[07:11] <apb> I have a list of paths, in a file, that I want to find out how much disk each dir is using.  What's a good way to do that?
[07:11] <Anonynimity> ?? @ Reisio?
[07:11] <reisio> apb: the not wonderful way is to see if they have any strange chars, and then do for i in `cat file`; do du -hs "$i"; done
[07:12] <wilee-nilee> sounds like lefrench technique
[07:12] <apb> yeah, I was hoping there was a more wonderful way to do it
[07:12] <reisio> apb: there is :)
[07:12] <reisio> apb: how'd you generate the file?
[07:12] <apb> with find... and then hand edited it
[07:12] <reisio> the list*
[07:12] <Anonynimity> I love my computer... I can sort the bugs out later wilee-nilee
[07:12] <reisio> apb: how did you edit it?
[07:12] <apb> with vi
[07:13] <reisio> apb: but I mean what did you exclude
[07:13] <apb> stuff I didn't want to save
[07:13] <reisio> apb: what you should probably do is exclude with find's built in exclusion methods
[07:13] <apb> there's no pattern
[07:13] <reisio> apb: and then tag on an -exec du -hs {} \;
[07:13] <reisio> no pattern, oof
[07:13] <reisio> still, you can add in as many patterns as you want to exclude
[07:13] <vlt> Hello. I want to get a diff file but get an out of memory error. Does someone know an option for diff that can handle really large files better without filling the memory?
[07:14] <nii236|irssi> reisio ok I'm trying to automount a samba share by adding a line in fstab. Its //192.168.1.1/volume(sda1). But the brackets in the path make it difficult to mount properly.
[07:14] <apb> yeah... i tried using size as my filter to start... but it didn't work.
[07:14] <Jordan_U> vlt: What is your end goal?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  change the share name - would be a good idea.
[07:14] <vlt> Jordan_U: To get a .diff file.
[07:14] <apb> reisio: I did find `pwd` -size +1k -size -50M but that just didn't work... so the rest was pointless.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  use of () in the paths are going to cause all sorts of issues in many ways
[07:15] <nii236|irssi> Dr_Willis: I'll give it a go. Its connected to the router which is not very cooperative when it comes to tweaking
[07:15] <apb> reisio: I ended up just doing a find -type d and then  hand editing
[07:15] <Jordan_U> vlt: That's not an end goal. Why do you want to generate a .diff? What is this file you're diffing?
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  you dont escape characters in fstab like you do in a normal shell either.
[07:16] <nii236|irssi> Dr_Willis: Putty " " around the path makes it work fine if I type it directly in the terminal. But in fstab it doesn't work
[07:16] <nii236|irssi> 'putting
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  its possible if the filesystem had a proper label - it might use the label name
[07:16] <luc4> Hello! Anyone else getting repeated crashes of Eclipse Kepler because of crahses of openjdk?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  correct.. fstab does NOT quote things the same way
[07:16] <vlt> Jordan_U: The file is a large SQL dump. Getting a .diff file is not an end goal?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  dirty work around. put the mount command in /etc/rc.local so it mounts at boot time. ;)
[07:16] <nii236|irssi> Dr_Willis: Would it instead be possible to add a command at startup that is just the standard mount -t cifs blah blah blah
[07:16] <nii236|irssi> Dr_Willis: Ah exactly, nice
[07:17]  * Dr_Willis has esp.. and allready said how. ;)
[07:17] <Jordan_U> vlt: No, it's not. Unless you really like looking at large diff files.
[07:17] <reisio> apb: let's see
[07:18] <apb> reisio: I also tried du -h --files0-from=find.out.keep but that barfed
[07:19] <sophie_> Night :3, thanks for the filesystem answers!
[07:19] <Jordan_U> vlt: If I knew your end goal I could likely suggest better tools / methods to achieve it. For example, rsync is much more efficient for transferring large differences between files than diff.
[07:19] <reisio> apb: while IFS= read -r line; do du -hs ''"$line"''; done < fileWutIsAListOfFiles
[07:20] <apb> reisio: worser and worser :)  I like the first one better.
[07:20] <reisio> apb: which one? :p
[07:22] <apb> reisio: except the first one didn't work.  I have spaces in my file names... it's an NTFS...  for i in `cat file`; do du -hs "$i"; done
[07:22] <reisio> apb: oh that one
[07:22] <vlt> Jordan_U: I don’t want to look at large but at small diffs instead. I know rsync but I really want to see the few lines that have changed between both ~2GB SQL dumps. Any idea?
[07:22] <reisio> apb: right, well I said it was not wonderful
[07:22] <reisio> apb: use while IFS way
[07:23] <apb> what is IFS being changed to?  a space? nothing?
[07:23] <apb> null?
[07:24] <reisio> apb: in future I'd do something like... find . -type d -size +1G -exec du -hs {} \; | sort -h, you'll find those space sucking dirs fast
[07:24] <Kurisutian> Hi there! Does anyone know if it is possible to have partitions mounted to a encrpyfs Private folder (not encrypted home directory)? I want to use btrfs subvolumes (which look like folders) and have some of them encrypted through the encryptfs Private folder. Do you know if that's possible? For various reasons I cannot have my complete home directory encrypted.... thanks! :-)
[07:24] <Jordan_U> vlt: Making a git repository containing one of the files, making a single commit, then copying the second file over the first and running "git diff" will likely work.
[07:25] <reisio> apb: it's explained in man bash, /Internal
[07:25] <Jordan_U> vlt: In fact, try just using git diff instead of diff (without creating a repo).
[07:25] <reisio> Kurisutian: ecryptfs
[07:26] <reisio> Kurisutian: I'm not aware of any particular locale restrictions on either ecryptfs or encfs
[07:26] <reisio> it just happens that many people use them for home
[07:26] <apb> reisio: I tried that last find too... it returns nothing.
[07:27] <apb> reisio: I even reduced the size.  Still nothing.  And it should have found something.  There's something funky about combining size and type d
[07:27] <hejux> finally, i got Mavericks and iOS 7.0.3 installed
[07:28] <reisio> apb: oh, -size must be hinkey with -type d
[07:28] <reisio> apb: yeah
[07:28] <hejux> and brew helps me to get irssi installed
[07:28] <ola2> unable to access jar file
[07:28] <ola2> java -jar Test.jar
[07:28] <ola2> what to do
[07:28] <ola2> i have installed java on ubuntu
[07:28] <ola2> but nothings happening
[07:28] <ola2> plz help
[07:29] <Ben64> calm down, stop spamming, give details
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  sounds like yo are not giveing the right path to the jar file
[07:29] <wylde> ola2, are you using the correct path to the .jar file?
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> java --version
[07:29] <apb> reisio: Also, I know what IFS is... I was asking if you were setting it to NULL... I assume so since I don't see any other chars there.
[07:29] <Kurisutian> reisio: So for ecryptfs it would be possible to mount my subvols into the .Private folder and have them later automatically unlocked with Pam when I log in? Do I have to mount the subvols to Private or .Private?
[07:29] <ola2> im not giving path
[07:29] <ola2> instead im in same directory
[07:29] <ola2> will it help
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  ls -l *.jar and see whats there
[07:30] <ola2> ok let me try
[07:30] <reisio> apb: right http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/001#Trimming
[07:30] <ola2> it says cannot acces *.jar
[07:31] <vlt> Jordan_U: Thank you, I’ll try that.
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  looks like its not in the same directory you are in now
[07:31] <reisio> Kurisutian: afaik there are no particular restrictions, they just mount encrypted data as decrypted data where you tell them to
[07:31] <ola2> im
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  ls shows files.. you seem to be in a diffdfnt directory
[07:31] <apb> reisio: well, that one did work.  Just not intuitive enough for me to have thought of it.  So thank you
[07:31] <ola2> its in home
[07:31] <Ben64> ola2: read the full error message .... ls: cannot access *.jar: No such file or directory
[07:31] <ola2> so im in home directory
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  and 'pwd' shows what' ? does ls show the file?
[07:31] <Ben64> ola2: see where it says "no such file or directory" that means its not there
[07:32] <ola2> ya no such file found u r right
[07:32] <ola2> what to do
[07:32] <wylde> ola2, and is it "Test.jar" or "test.jar" it matters. ;)
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  i imagien you are doin some silly bash mistake
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  use  'ls' and LOOK at what files are there
[07:32] <reisio> apb: yeah which is why I didn't suggest it at the outset :p
[07:32] <reisio> apb: worth tucking away for a rainy day, though
[07:32] <Kurisutian> reisio: So folder names stay the same inside the .Private folder, just filenames and their content will be encrypted? I was just struggeling if I can still mount the subvols first to the folders before decryption when the foldernames actually would be encrypted as well.
[07:33] <ola2> one thing too
[07:33] <ola2> when i type java --help
[07:33] <ola2> it says couldont create java virtual machine
[07:33] <ola2> what to do plz tell
[07:33] <reisio> Kurisutian: you can have several directories each containing individually encrypted data volumes, if that's what you mean
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  i think a good place to start would be some bash tutorials
[07:34] <ola2> no no sir
[07:34] <ola2> the thing is that
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> java -version or java --version shold show the version of java
[07:34] <ola2> i will give my friend java
[07:34] <ola2> means deb packages of java
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> not all commands take  double dashes
[07:34] <ola2> now tell me how to do that
[07:34] <reisio> 'java' could mean a lot of things
[07:34] <faizul> hello guys
[07:34] <ola2> i have downloaded apt packages of java and dependencies
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> does 'java -version' show any info ola2 ?
[07:34] <ola2> no
[07:34] <ola2> it says
[07:34] <reisio> Kurisutian: you might want to look into encfs over ecryptfs
[07:35] <ola2> couldnot create jvm
[07:35] <ola2> im not able to get where is mistake
[07:35] <reisio> Kurisutian: probably more appropriate, if I'm understanding you right
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  --version and -version are 2 diffdrfnt options . looks like java IS running
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> or it wouldent say that
[07:35] <ola2> java -version working
[07:35] <ola2> it says java 1.7. .....
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> ola2: so java is working.
[07:36] <ola2> yes sir
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> now LOOK in your directory . and see what files are there
[07:36] <Kurisutian> reisio: encfs to me is just way to slow compared to ecryptfs and luks is also out of the loop since I have to decrypt by logging in with the user...
[07:36] <ola2> but my program is not working
[07:36] <ola2> ok
[07:36] <ola2> ok it sows me
[07:36] <ola2> i have one file
[07:36] <ola2> Test.jar
[07:36] <nii236|irssi> Dr_Willis: Ok the cheap workaround with rc.local worked, except it mounts before my device finishes connecting to wifi so the samba share isn't available yet. Is there a way to add a delay to rc.local or tell it to wait to finish connecting to wifi first?
[07:36] <ola2> but not able to run it
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  and HOW are you trying to run it exactly?
[07:37] <Jordan_U> vlt: You're welcome.
[07:37] <wylde> nii236|irssi, sleep 30  ;)
[07:37] <wylde> or 5 or 10
[07:37] <nii236|irssi> wylde: Cheers
[07:37] <reisio> Kurisutian: how often are you accessing the data...
[07:37] <reisio> Kurisutian: might be time for that new aes-ni ready processor
[07:38] <Kurisutian> reisio: but thanks for the information. I intend to have several folders encrypted like ~/.Private/Documents which contain my encrypted documents as mounted btrfs subvolumes (so the subvolume for Documents will be mounted to ./Private/Documents through fstab) and I wasn't sure how ecryptfs handles the folder names I need as mountpoints
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  'sleep 300'  befor the command
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> nii236|irssi:  or some other time to delay
[07:38] <nii236|irssi> Dr_Willis: Yep thanks I'll give it a go
[07:39] <Kurisutian> reiso: haven's heard of aes-ni... what's that about? I was hoping the guys developing btrfs would implement a option to encrypt subvolumes... like they implemented raid functionality... but that ain't gonna happen soon if ever at all...
[07:40] <reisio> Kurisutian: they probably still have bigger fish to fry ATM
[07:40] <reisio> Kurisutian: aes-ni is an instruction set newer processors have so they can crunch aes encryption faster
[07:41] <Kurisutian> reisio: OK, I missread your post.... I already have AES-NI (Intel I7-4770). But still I intent to have an automatic decryption when logging in locally or through ssh. Don't think encfs can do that, right? That's the idea... ;-)
[07:42] <reisio> Kurisutian: no it can
[07:42] <reisio> and probably more simply than ecryptfs, I believe
[07:42] <reisio> hence recommendation
[07:44] <reisio> Kurisutian: with pam_mount, or a couple other methods I've seen
[07:44] <mikolaj> hi
[07:45] <mikolaj> will installing windows 8 alongside ubuntu override the boot loader?
[07:45] <akShri> hi.. any desklet for thunderbird??
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> mikolaj:  yes.
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[07:46] <Kurisutian> reisio: and the fuse layer won't be a problem? That's the reason for encfs being so slow as far as I understood. Sorry for asking all those dumb questions... I just bought a new PC after 8 years and now have to face several things that changed in those 8 years... USB3.0, UEFI, etc. So I really have to catch up on quite a bunch of things I haven't set up or used before... ;-)
[07:47] <greek> Hi fellas. I've just installed Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 LTS. I've also installed the classic desktop using gnome-panel. Now I've set up 5 workspaces and I can see my workspace switcher on the bottom right. However when I click on any of the workspaces, my panels disappear. Any ideas? Thanks
[07:47] <reisio> Kurisutian: dunno, would have to do a comparison
[07:48] <reisio> Kurisutian: pretty sure you can do it with either, though :)
[07:49] <linuxuz3r> ubuntu is roxxorz but when i scroll up or down it sometimes becomes a middle click so now if i scroll to my ide it paste unnecessary junk to my code
[07:49] <linuxuz3r> how do i fix this
[07:49] <zorin0s> could someone help me install this please http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/razercfg.html
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> zorin0s:  err.. are you using ubuntu?
[07:49] <zorin0s> yes
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> you could at least give a summary of the problem
[07:50] <Kurisutian> reisio: I'd prefer to go with ecryptfs over encfs but keep that one as a backup in case nothing works. So I will create some mountpoints under .Private after setting this up with ecryptfs and mount my subvolumes to these folders... hopefully it'll work and I will see them under Private the same way... then everything will be great and just as I need it to be. Thank you so much for your help. :-)
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> i recall seeing some .deb's of the razor config tools - i got them on my desktop at home.
[07:50] <zorin0s> ok tyhis program is for a razer mouse, however it is not in the software center. You have to download the .tar file and i have no idea how to install it. I did have it installed but my other pc fried yesterday
[07:51] <apb> I'm getting aggravated.. is there a good backup utility?  One that will let me both select and exclude individual files and/or dirs? Something that works like a good file manager such that I can see file and dir sizes?  And will backup to a cloud server?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> !compile
[07:51] <wylde> zorin0s, typically tarballs will come with readme's. Did you have a look?
[07:51] <reisio> apb: that's a lot of jobs, "good" things usually do only one job
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> extract the archive. install th eneeded compiler tools and compile the code
[07:52] <zorin0s> yes but i dont understand it
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> !b-e
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> !info build-essential
[07:52] <Joost> I tried asking in ##linux, but I guess it's appropriate here
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> install the build-essential package to get the core of the compiler tools
[07:53] <Joost> I'm trying to symlink an executable to ~/bin/foo, but it becomes dangling - when I symlink to ~/foo, it works fine. Symlinking to ~/bar/foo does not work either :(
[07:53] <Joost> What could that be?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> Joost:  you may want to use full paths
[07:53] <ikonia> or you may want to use the zorinos channel rather than ubuntu
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> i always get ln options backwards
[07:53] <ikonia> seeing as your using zorinos
[07:54] <Joost> Dr_Willis: thank you!
[07:54] <ola2> people i need help
[07:54] <Joost> Not sure why that makes a difference though
[07:54] <ola2> i want to give java to my friend
[07:54] <reisio> linuxuz3r: I _think_ you could use autocutsel to nullify it
[07:54] <apb> reisio: Really it's a file manager with 2 extra features... selecting and excluding... and executing a copy to the cloud command.
[07:54] <reisio> I forget
[07:54] <ola2> my friend doesnot have java
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  and your java was working..    java -version showed it was working
[07:54] <ola2> i want to gove it to him as .deb
[07:54] <ola2> ya java working
[07:54] <reisio> apb: did you have a "cloud" in mind?
[07:54] <ola2> but now give it to friend
[07:54] <apb> reisio: yes
[07:55] <ola2> means all deb
[07:55] <ola2> i have downlaoded all deb
[07:55] <ola2> but not working on friend machone
[07:55] <ola2> javac not found
[07:55] <ola2> i want this statement complete
[07:55] <ola2> apt-get download java ...
[07:55] <ola2> with all dependencies
[07:55] <ola2> i posted this question yesteday
[07:55] <auronandace> !enter | ola2
[07:55] <ola2> and tried solution but not working
[07:56] <ikonia> ola2: the command is apt-get install - not download
[07:56] <ola2> ok ok im sorry.
[07:56] <ikonia> ola2: and you need to chose which java package you want
[07:56] <ola2> no i dont want to install.
[07:56] <ola2> i want to apt-get download and give al deb to friend.
[07:56] <ola2> how to do that
[07:56] <telexl> nii236|irssi (apologies for the delay): the 'proper' way to wait for an interface to be up would be to tie it into hotplug.
[07:56] <ikonia> ola2: get your friend to do apt-get install
[07:56] <ikonia> ola2: don't give him debs manually
[07:56] <ola2> i have to
[07:56] <reisio> apb: ...which?
[07:56] <ikonia> ola2: why ?
[07:56] <wylde> ola2, you've been given a number of answers over the last coulpe days. aptoncd aptzip etc ....he wants java and all deps to install on either a non-networked pc or to simply avoid downloading on the other pc.
[07:56] <ola2> he doesnot has internet
[07:57] <Uriel_> I put it a full install of 13.10 on my laptop and i was very very happy with it until a discovery i can put it recognising Epson sx 130 scanner . Please help me with ideas or commands to type on terminal because iam newby on it.
[07:57] <ola2> ya wylde sir but solution not working
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> ola2: take his pc to your house and installit for him
[07:57] <Joost> Dr_Willis: any idea why the full path makes a difference in comparison to using ~ ? I thought that would just get evaluated to the full thing
[07:57] <ola2> lol pc to my house
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> Joost:  ~is a bash feature. not a file system feature
[07:57] <ola2> hes far away
[07:57] <ola2> i will give him in pendrive
[07:57] <ola2> plz help
[07:58] <ikonia> ola2: if he doesn't have internet access, why does he need java ?
[07:58] <Joost> ah, that makes sense
[07:58] <ikonia> ola2: also if he has the ubuntu installation media it maybe worth checking if it's one of the packages included on there to be installed
[07:58] <apb> reisio: 15GB free.  If you use this referral link to sign up, BOTH of us get an extra 5GB free.  https://copy.com?r=8YnVFa
[07:58] <ola2> to be installed ??
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> Joost:  anytimg i see peopel using ~ i cringe ;)
[07:59] <wylde> ola2, http://askubuntu.com/questions/3576/how-to-make-usb-drive-as-local-repository
[07:59] <ola2> its old ubuntu without java
[07:59] <apb> reisio: It functions like a mounted drive.  pretty cool
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  old?  he IS using the same version as you are using?
[07:59] <Joost> It's good to know where it comes from
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  if not - your plan is doomed from the start
[07:59] <Joost> I wouldnt have assumed it could be a cause for this error, otherwise
[07:59] <Joost> thanks again :)
[07:59] <ikonia> ola2: ok so again, if he has the installation media it maybe included on that, and if he doesn't have internet, why does he need java
[07:59] <ola2> no sir u are misunderstanding .
[07:59] <ola2> i will give java to friend in deb
[07:59] <reisio> copy.com, nice domain
[07:59] <ola2> if u have another idea i will do it
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  and what ubuntu release is he using?
[08:00] <reisio> I'm only personally interested in things I can use with FUSE anymore
[08:00] <wylde> ola2, have a look at the link I posted
[08:00] <ikonia> ola2: 1.) why does he need java if he doesn't have internet
[08:00] <ola2> 12.02
[08:00] <ikonia> ola2: 2.) java maybe on the installation media used to install ubuntu - check that
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  ansd what ubuntu release are you using?
[08:00] <ola2> to run a software i have built in java
[08:00] <telexl> nii236|irssi (apologies for the delay): or possibly, put a script in /etc/init and have it depend on the wireless interface being up.
[08:00] <apb> reisio: I just started using them.  it's time I started backing up my stuff... and with 15GB free... I can get a fair amount backed up.
[08:00] <xmetal> oops
[08:01] <zorin0s> Dr_Willis,  http://pastebin.com/e21jTjZu
[08:01] <ola2> problem is that i have downloaded all dependencies but still not working
[08:01] <reisio> apb: yeah :)
[08:01] <Womkes> what is the correct way to spell "how to" in the context of tutorials would you use  "how to", "how-to" or "howto" ?
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  then i would imagine you missed one
[08:01] <reisio> google drive starts at 15gb, too, IIRC
[08:01] <telexl> Womkes: I'd write 'HOWTO'.
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  you are testing this on his machine now?
[08:01] <reisio> apb: so they have a linux binary that makes it mount?
[08:01] <ola2> Dr_Willis: sir u gave me a link
[08:01] <ola2> ya he is testing on his machine
[08:01] <ola2> called me on phone not working
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> then you missed a package.. seems rather straight forward
[08:02] <apb> reisio: You don't actually mount it.. it acts like a virtual drive... out there.  You just copy to it as if it were another filesystem.
[08:02] <reisio> Womkes: technically it'd be 'how-to', but I would use 'how to', as that's the original they're all derived from
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> zorin0s:  yes..those are directions.. what of it.
[08:03] <ikonia> ola2: going to need more information than "not working"
[08:03] <ikonia> zorin0s: take this to #zorinos please.
[08:03] <reisio> apb: right, distinction between a command and an actual mount
[08:03] <zorin0s> do i have to install the python stuff
[08:03] <reisio> apb: does 'mount' say it's fuse?
[08:03] <telexl> wonder if there's a 'howto howto'..
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> zorin0s:  only if you want it to work i imagine.
[08:03] <ikonia> zorin0s: you're not using ubuntu
[08:03] <reisio> apb: or are you saying 'mount' doesn't even show it
[08:03] <ola2> sir , plz wait im giving all information.
[08:03] <zorin0s> how do you know ikonia ?
[08:03] <ikonia> you said in zorinos the same question
[08:04] <apb> reisio:  Example command:  CopyCmd Cloud -password=mypassword -username=myusername put -r /media/apb/ThunderbirdMail/ /ThunderbirdMail/
[08:04] <zorin0s> zorin is based off ubuntu
[08:04] <ikonia> zorin0s: it's not ubuntu
[08:04] <nicklas_> hello, i think there is a bug in the new xubuntu. when i ran the live xubuntu 13.10 64 bit, the volume applet in panel shows its on mute, and when i click it, i get an empty little white line. i thought it would get fixed after installing, but its still the same after doing all updates. i still have sound though, checked with youtube. so how to fix this?
[08:04] <jnor> anyone might know why colors are missing from the calendar overview in vanilla wyrd? http://oi39.tinypic.com/2vdpw68.jpg
[08:04] <ikonia> zorin0s: so please take it to #zorinos
[08:04] <ola2> sir this would be too long plz dont kick
[08:04] <zorin0s> im happy here thanks
[08:04] <reisio> apb: but does it show up in 'mount' output?
[08:04] <apb> reisio:  mount doesn't show it.. it's not actually mounted.  It just functions similar as you can see from the above example.
[08:05] <reisio> ah okay
[08:05] <ikonia> zorin0s: sorry, I'm not making it clear. "please don't take your questions to #zorinos - they support zorinos, not this channel"
[08:05] <apb> reisio: They also have a GUI version that functions like dropbox... you just drag and drop your file
[08:06] <Womkes> ok thanks
[08:06] <ikonia> ola2: you're going to need to get infomation about what/how it's not working
[08:06] <reisio> apb: ew :p
[08:06] <apb> reisio: but since I have a plethora of files & dirs to backup, I prefer the command line version... however I have specific files I don't want to backup due to space limitations.
[08:06] <ola2> yeah just one second
[08:06] <Uriel_> if i install ubunut 12.04 instaead 13.10 it will work with epson scan sx 130 »?
[08:07] <reisio> 15gb free is 15gb free, but I'd prefer something using fuse, myself :)
[08:07] <ola2> apt-get download openjdk-7-jre libasound2 libatk-wrapper-java-jni libc6 libcups2 libfontconfig1 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgif4 libgl1-mesa-glx libglib2.0-0 libgtk2.0-0 libjpeg8 libpango1.0-0 libpng12-0 libpulse0 libx11-6 libxext6 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxtst6 openjdk-7-jre-headless
[08:07] <apb> reisio: Right.  But it's an option for those people that like to use a dropbox like service.
[08:07] <ola2> i did this
[08:07] <FloodBot1> ola2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:07] <reisio> apb: course
[08:07] <apb> reisio: 20GB free if you use the link I gave you ;)
[08:07] <ola2> im sorry
[08:07] <ola2> plz help i got these debs i have mentioned above
[08:07] <reisio> I can get 15gb free without following a link already :p and probably more if I were interested
[08:08] <apb> reisio: The guy that referred me says he has 170GB free.
[08:08] <ikonia> ola2: stop and listen
[08:08] <reisio> actually I think my gmail has 30gb?
[08:08] <ikonia> ola2: tell is "what is not working"
[08:08] <ola2> yes sir
[08:08] <ola2> the wrong is that im not able to run java programs
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> been playing with Owncloud lately. ;) make your own cloud.
[08:08] <ikonia> ola2: what do you mean "you" are not able to run java processes, I thought this was for your friend on your friends machine
[08:08] <wylde> ola2, http://askubuntu.com/questions/3576/how-to-make-usb-drive-as-local-repository <---- You aren't or your friend isn't?
[08:09] <ola2> i troied it on my machne first
[08:09] <ikonia> ola2: you said he was a long way away
[08:09] <ola2> ya he is
[08:09] <ola2> sir , first it should atleast run on my machine
[08:09] <ola2> i have created a vitrual machine
[08:09] <ikonia> ola2: why are you not telling the truth
[08:09] <ola2> then downloaded all debs n that
[08:09] <ikonia> ola2: what is the error
[08:09] <ola2> sir , how could i give wrong thing to friend
[08:10] <ola2> error is java is running but program cant
[08:10] <ola2> i have all thing right
[08:10] <ikonia> ola2: how did you install the packages
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> ola2:  and whats the exact command you are using.. and whats the exact error message?
[08:10] <ola2> dpkg -i *.deb
[08:10] <ikonia> ola2: that won't work
[08:10] <ola2> then to run java program
[08:10] <ikonia> ola2: what did the output of dpkg -i *.deb say
[08:10] <ola2> ikonia: sir i have downloade all .deb packages
[08:11] <ikonia> ola2: you keep saying that - but I'm not asking that
[08:11] <ikonia> ola2: answer the question I asked
[08:11] <ola2> it sintalls without error
[08:11] <DJJeff> ii  pulseaudio                          1:4.0-0ubuntu6                            amd64
[08:11] <ikonia> ola2: so all the debs install without any errors or warnings
[08:11]  * xmetal scratches head
[08:11] <ola2> instllation without error java installed correctly
[08:11] <DJJeff> is extremely broken
[08:11] <ola2> ya
[08:11] <ikonia> ola2: ok, so what is the output of the dpkg command
[08:11] <ola2> but unable to run .jar file
[08:11] <apb> Dr_Willis: How much space?
[08:11] <ola2> output of dpkg command : unpackaged al debs
[08:11] <ola2> like this
[08:12] <sympathix> bonjour
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> apb:  huh? for owncloud? as much as you make on your pc ;)
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> apb:  its on your own server ;)
[08:12] <ola2> ikonia : sir , it shows all deb unpackaged and installed
[08:12] <apb> Dr_Willis: Kind of defeats the purpose of "the cloud"
[08:12] <ola2> now what to do
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> apb:  not really
[08:12] <ola2> i ran this
[08:12] <ola2> java -jar Test.jar
[08:12] <ola2> it gave me error
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> apb:  its 'OWN' cloud
[08:12] <ola2> let me paste it
[08:12] <FloodBot1> ola2: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:13] <apb> Dr_Willis: I don't want to have to worry about hardware dying... like what just happened to me.  Why do I need them to  use my own server for backup?
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> apb:  you can have it on your own vps. or whatever..or on your own raspberry pi.. or on a dozen differnt pcs if you wanted.
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> apb:  its totally under your control.
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> or for your own business.
[08:14] <xmetal> i still dont get the idea of people uploading drive images to the "cloud" then if hardware fails they have no way to get to it
[08:15] <xmetal> sure "off site" backups are a good idea
[08:15] <xmetal> but you have to "plan ahead"
[08:15] <apb> Dr_Willis: Pointless to me.  I want a service that has multiple servers and backs up my data so that I don't have to spend all kinds of money (that I don't have) on servers that will then die at some point.  I might as well just backup to a USB stick or an SSD
[08:15] <xmetal> actually "hardware fails" is not a good way to put it
[08:15] <xmetal> thats not what i meant
[08:15] <xmetal> too tired to think at the moment, lol
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> xmetal:  yep
[08:16] <matosimi> hi, could you help me how to copy long lines from nano trough putty ? script lines are wider than max size of my screen
[08:17] <apb> xmetal: an image is good if you want to save the state of a disk and then restore to a different machine.  But that's not what I'm saving... i'm saving data I need.  Documents and software I've purchased in years gone by that I can't get again without paying more money (if even available).
[08:18] <apb> The documents are irreplaceable.  If I lose them, that's it.
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> 100 copies.. mailed to lawyers around the world...
[08:18] <xmetal> speaking of drive images, i probably should make a few soon ... its been a little while
[08:18] <AtuM> apb, so what are you searching for again? Wouldn't dropbox be the sollution for you if you don't want your own server?
[08:19] <apb> so I backup to "the cloud" and they backup to something that I can't afford
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> use every cloud server in esistance. :)
[08:19] <xmetal> brb
[08:19] <HypnotiX> I cant access my apache server in my virtualbox since the 13.10 update, any ideas on how to fix this ?
[08:19] <apb> all it takes is money.. that I don't have.
[08:19] <apb> So 15GB free is the best I've been able to find.
[08:19] <AtuM> apb, it's like.. either you can afford to lose data or you can afford to pay for some service that takes car of it
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> err.. i got 50gb free from someone
[08:20] <apb> Actually 20GB, since I used a referral link.
[08:20] <HypnotiX> or anyone else from work connected to my network cant access my apache server page either
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> and you can have several dozen free acounts at mos tof these places
[08:20] <apb> Dr_Willis: Do tell
[08:20] <ansu> what's the easiest way to configure an ubuntu server to use a smtp to send mails. e.g. apticron has to be able to send emails
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> i dont recall who it was.  Might been a new/short time offer.
[08:20] <apb> multiple accounts may be possible, I haven't tried.  So far I'm just working on the one.
[08:21] <AtuM> Dr_Willis, I got 50GB on dropbox from Samsung :)
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> i got like 9 differnt cloud storages...  box  = 50gb
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> google drive = 25gb here
[08:21] <apb> 9 total = 50 GB?
[08:21] <moppy> there's some nice apps that sync up all of your free clouds into one "cloud raid"
[08:21] <AtuM> apb, If you can afford to buy Galaxs S4 then Samsung gives you 50GB dropbox space for a year
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> box = is 50gb here for me
[08:21] <apb> moppy: Interesting... which apps?
[08:21] <apb> AtuM: I can't afford.
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> then i got 25gb on google drive
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> dropbox i got 10gb.
[08:22] <apb> and a year kinda sucks... I don't want to have to scurry around worrying about it
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> i recall some free cloud service that had unlimited storage. ;) i forget its name,
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> bitcasa perhaps?
[08:23] <AtuM> Dr_Willis, google drive isn't quit what i'd use as a real backup.. no "free" solution is, since they're not obligated to backup your data.. so anything "free" is not real backup for me
[08:23] <apb> there are cloud services that claim unlimited storage... but not free.
[08:23] <AtuM> apb, nothing is free
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> look on lifehacker web site for  cloud storage. they mentioned several - one i recall had a HUGE amount of space
[08:23] <moppy> apb: Jolicloud does it, many others via google
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> and the only sure backup - is backups YOU make
[08:24] <apb> AtuM: the cloud I use is free up to a certain limit.
[08:24] <AtuM> Dr_Willis, exactly my point
[08:24] <Dr_Willis> bitcasa calls it an infinate drive
[08:24] <AtuM> apb, do they give you assurance that it will work 24/7 and never lose your data... for free? I don't think so.
[08:24] <apb> I checked out 25 services... I chose the one that made the most sense to me
[08:24] <reisio> apb: that's terribly sensible
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> this is sort of getting to be a pointless discussion i think
[08:25] <apb> jolicloud was not on my list... bitcasa was
[08:25] <AtuM> It makes me want to say "backup to /dev/null" as it's the same on the long run
[08:25] <moppy> oh the mongo backup? cool
[08:26] <linuxuz3r> ok thanks reisio
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> spideroak. wuala, tresorit, bitcasa,mega.co.nz    ;)
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> enough clouds to be a storm
[08:26] <AtuM> hdd's are pretty non-expensive.. usb docking station too.. so that's what I use for backup
[08:27] <xmetal> i just knew someone was going to make a joke like that
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> I just put my e-books on the cloud so i can get to them from my phone when i want to read them ;)
[08:28] <Uriel_> please help me put ubuntu 13.10 recognising epson 13.10
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> ubuntu one could really try to leverage their cloud service
[08:28] <AtuM> apb.. do what Linus does.. post everything on a public ftp :D
[08:28] <AtuM> be a real man :D
[08:28] <Uriel_> please help me put ubuntu 13.10 recognising epson sx 130
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> Uriel_:  and what have you done so far to get it working?
[08:29] <apb> Dr_Willis:   spideroak and bitcasa were on the list... the others weren't
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> i got them all from lifehacker apb
[08:29] <Uriel_> Dr. Willis:i have searched on internet, i cant find drivers for it .
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> they had an artical on what cloud guys are the most anonymous/secure
[08:29] <apb> well, after 25 services... I figured I'd checked enough
[08:29] <Uriel_> i installed some software none of tehm works
[08:29] <apb> I mean there's a limit.
[08:30] <apb> spideroak was expensive... I don't remember why I turned bitcasa down
[08:30] <Bauer> Guys, I upgraded distro tonight from 13.04 to 13.10, and having a lot of new problems, one of them package dependencies are broken: http://pastie.org/private/l2mecdhvjubrrrgzw2dlzw I tried apt-get update, autoclean, clean so far
[08:30] <apb> I just wanted one.... I don't want to have to track which files I put where.
[08:30] <AtuM> Uriel_, sx 130 is not on cups supported list.. perhaps sx 200 driver might work
[08:31] <wylde> Uriel_, http://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModuleFromResult <--- those drivers?
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> apb:  and how big are you talking about?
[08:31] <Bauer> any ideas how to fix this mess? its not the only problem.. the control panel is inoperative - I cant click Display for example it wont open, I cant close the CP
[08:31] <AtuM> apb, what does your problem have to do with Ubuntu, really?
[08:31] <Ben64> Bauer: what is libc6-i386
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> relying on just 1 - is not the best idea either
[08:31] <apb> Dr_Willis: well, if I don't trim.... I need about 500GB ideally... but I'm trimming to make it reasonable.
[08:32] <wylde> !ot
[08:32] <Bauer> Ben64: package required by teamviewer, which also stopped working after this upgrade
[08:32] <AtuM> apb, choosing a cloud solution or evaluation of those has nothing to do with ubuntu.. does it?
[08:32] <Ben64> Bauer: well its not an ubuntu package, so you got some weird stuff going on
[08:32] <Bauer> Ben64 well its not that, I cant do apt-get ugprade as well, I get those weird errors
[08:32] <apb> AtuM: Read back.  I don't have a problem.  Someone asked me a question.  I responded.
[08:32] <Ben64> Bauer: right, because you have weird stuff going on
[08:33] <reisio> he was looking for a GUI for his backup system
[08:33] <reisio> apb: could make one with Xdialog :)
[08:33] <Bauer> Ben64: what is your recommendations to solve it?
[08:33] <apb> reisio: Oh yeah, I forgot.  lol
[08:33] <Ben64> Bauer: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list and everything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[08:33] <Bauer> Ben64: one guy at work recommends doing upgrade with --force
[08:37] <Bauer> Ben64: how to output the multiple files in .d dir quickly without going over every single one
[08:38] <Hawkerz> Bauer, what are you trying to do
[08:38] <helmut_> hi
[08:38] <Ben64> Bauer: cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[08:39] <vp18> How can I get Netflix desktop on 13.10.the ususal way isn't working
[08:39] <Bauer> Ben64: problem is that this method does not tell you from which file is it
[08:39] <Hawkerz> vp18, did you try the port of silverlight?
[08:39] <Bauer> or do you not care?
[08:39] <bazhang> !work | vp18
[08:39] <Ben64> Bauer: thats fine
[08:39] <DJones> !netflix | vp18 Not sure if this is still valid (Last I'd heard was it didn't have a native linux client),
[08:40] <Bauer> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287740/
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> theres that other way to get netflix now also.. i saw it on the omgubuntu and webupd8 blog site.  but ive not tried it
[08:40] <gartral> hey all, I have a weird issue, windows no longer have a border while maximized, including buttons, and firefox no longer has a border period, I've searched arounf and can't find any info on the issue
[08:40] <vp18> Netflix desktop.I tried through synaptic
[08:40] <Hawkerz> yes, you have to install the hacked up port of silverlight
[08:40] <ikonia> vp18: without being negative, without a native client, you're on "hope" for using a paid service on linux, I'd suggest using native clients for a paid service
[08:41] <xyzwhatever> hey guyse
[08:42] <Hawkerz> vp18, but if you're still hoping to try: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/pipelight-use-silverlight-in-your-linux.html
[08:42] <xyzwhatever> what is the name of this leightweight ubuntu-based distro,  non-pae, not lubuntu, it has a cryptic name with 4 letters i think...
[08:42] <reisio> gartral: logout & in doesn't fix?
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/08/pipelight-use-silverlight-in-your-linux.html
[08:42] <Hawkerz> I win
[08:42] <gartral> reisio: been like this for a month or so, i'm finally sick of it
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> heh
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> I just use a rOKU
[08:43] <reisio> xyzwhatever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_linux_distributions#Ubuntu-based
[08:43] <k1l> xyzwhatever: i think you mean lxle, but its not supported in here
[08:43] <Ben64> Bauer: you have precise, raring, and saucy repositories in there, i'd bet thats the problem
[08:43] <xyzwhatever> yeah lxle thanks
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  a newly made user has the same issue or not?
[08:43] <Bauer> Ben64: hmmm, the installer was supposed to disable the Raring repos... it told me it is going to disable all third party repos
[08:44] <Bauer> Ben64: and I never had percise, I installed originally from 13.04 Beta
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> what could cause black screen after upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10? booting other kernels have same black screen as result
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> lotuspsychje:  video drivers are a common cause
[08:44] <jithu_> how can i move jre-7u45-linux-i586.tar.gz from the directory /home/sreyas/Downloads to /usr/local/java7
[08:44] <gartral> Dr_Willis: no it does not
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> jithu_:  why would you want to move an archive?
[08:45] <wylde> jithu_, why would you want to do that?
[08:45] <Hawkerz> gartral, what version of ubuntu are you running
[08:45] <jithu_> to install java7
[08:45] <xyzwhatever> why does ubuntu have such high hardware requirements anyway, so much bloatware these days???
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> Dr_Willis: ok tnx
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  that points to a user setting issue. You could reset all  your settings, (move the setting files to some sub direcgtory) and see if it starts working
[08:45] <k1l> xyzwhatever: non-pae is not a high requirement
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> xyzwhatever:  it expects people to have a decent system. theres other disrtos focused on stuff tat should have bene thrown away years ago. ;)
[08:45] <reisio> k1l: I wouldn't call it high
[08:46] <Ben64> Bauer: pastebin "apt-get update"
[08:46] <k1l> *not non-pae
[08:46] <Hawkerz> xyzwhatever, you can always return to gentoo stage 1 installs if you thought those were better
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> !java | jithu_
[08:46] <reisio> 700mhz proc, 512mb ram, 5gb storage
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> jithu_:  i suggest following the guides
[08:46] <reisio> that's more than I had in 2001
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> reisio:  sounds like my raspberry pi;s :)
[08:46] <reisio> yeah
[08:47] <reisio> $35 computer
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> too bad they got the older arm cpu. and cant do ubuntu
[08:47] <reisio> for $200 you can get a new tower that massively exceed that
[08:47] <reisio> exceeds
[08:47] <Bauer> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287777/
[08:47] <Hawkerz> fyi, when you are pastebinning terminal output, you should use pastebinit
[08:47] <reisio> Dr_Willis: Debian likes these better anyways: https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi#Should_I_buy_a_Rasberry_Pi.3F
[08:47] <Hawkerz> !pastebinit | Bauer
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> reisio:  yep. using 'NOOBS' and rasbian on my pi's - they are handy :)
[08:48] <reisio> I broke down and put raspbian on one the other day, will put something better on later, only need it for minimal things ATM
[08:49] <Ben64> Bauer: try "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[08:49] <Bauer> tjamls Hawkerz, will install after we resolve my problem preventing me from installing anything :P
[08:49] <Hawkerz> ooh
[08:49] <Hawkerz> that'll do it :p
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> reisio:  yep.  Using them as a plex client mainly here.
[08:50] <Bauer> Ben64: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287781/
[08:50] <reisio> I was impressed, though
[08:50] <Hawkerz> Bauer, did you try to install with -f?
[08:50] <k1l> reisio: Dr_Willis could you put that rpi talk into the offtopic? :)
[08:51]  * Dr_Willis ports ubuntu to the pi.. thus putting it on topic.
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[08:51] <Ben64> Bauer: dunno, you've got too much weird stuff going on there, looks almost like you didn't all the way upgrade to 13.10
[08:51] <Bauer> Hawkerz: no, that was a suggestion of a mate at work, but I wanted to consult here before using a hammer which will do: 1611 upgraded, 23 newly installed, 3 to remove and 378 not upgraded.
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> id need to learn how to cross-compile first. ;)
[08:52] <wylde> Bauer, -f is not the same as --force
[08:52] <Bauer> Ben64: well, I left it to upgrade at the night, by the morning I came to pc, and I wasnt logged in, I dont know what happened
[08:53] <Hawkerz> Bauer, -f fixes broken dependencies, you should most definitely try that
[08:54] <Bauer> ok, to try that on the upgrade command? or the dist-upgrade
[08:54] <wylde> Bauer, 'sudo apt-get -f install'
[08:55] <wylde> Bauer, probably high hopes for it though at this point.
[08:57] <jonovee> how do i know if all security updates (just security updates) have been done?
[08:57] <k1l> jonovee: "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get upgrade"  (that will not upgrade to a new release)
[08:58] <eeos> hi everybody .... where is the new acpi-cpufreq driver in 13.10? I cannot find it anymore.
[08:58] <Bauer> wylde: it asks about Configuration file `/etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-settings-daemon.desktop should I keep mine, or use default?
[08:58] <jonovee> k1l: thanks but that's not what i am looking for. i just want to know if security updates are done yes or no
[08:59] <wylde> Bauer, no idea. Did you customize the old one? If no then I'd say yes to letting install the new one
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> Bauer:  id say use defaults.. unless you know you have changed that file.
[08:59] <wylde> Bauer, but, that's what I woulod do :)
[08:59] <Bauer> I dont remember modfying that file manually
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> Bauer:  have it show the differances? ;) may just be a trivial comment/change
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> not like it matters much i imagine
[09:01] <Bauer> yeah, not familiar with the changes like -NoDisplay=false to true
[09:01]  * wylde thinks there's a better chance of success letting the new version be installed and redoing customizations anyway.
[09:01] <Bauer> agreed, continuing :)
[09:02] <wylde> since we all make backups of important data and configuration file anyway ..... right? ;)
[09:02] <Cuppa_coffee> yeah right
[09:02] <Bauer> ok, its done :) what to run to see if its a success?
[09:02] <Dr_Willis> i doubt if that file would be imporntant anyway ;)
[09:02] <Hawkerz> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:02] <Hawkerz> see if it finds anything
[09:02] <Cuppa_coffee> i had to cp my home to an external hd because the update from 13.04 to 13.10 crashed
[09:03] <jonovee> how do i know if all security updates (just security updates) have been done? maybe if i could check if a recent precise-security update has been done that would answer my question.
[09:03] <Hawkerz> jonovee, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:03] <wylde> Cuppa_coffee, that should be done before the upgrade anyway.
[09:03] <Hawkerz> that will make sure they are installed...
[09:03] <jonovee> what is the most recent precise-security update and how do i check if it has been done ?
[09:04] <Cuppa_coffee> wylde, jesus saves, buddha makes incremental backups and im an atheist :P
[09:04] <jonovee> Hawkerz: no, i dont want to do updates at this time
[09:04] <Bauer> ok, this is what it gives me: 1954 upgraded, 193 newly installed, 16 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[09:04] <Bauer> Need to get 1,669 MB of archives.
[09:04] <Bauer> After this operation, 22.4 GB disk space will be freed.
[09:04] <Bauer> that sounds scary :P
[09:04] <Hawkerz> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade
[09:04] <Bauer> 22GB freed?
[09:04] <FloodBot1> Bauer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:04] <Hawkerz> jonovee, ^ that command will not actually do the upgrade, only tell you if there is anything to upgrade
[09:05] <Bauer> Hawkerz: that output was for dist-upgrade, not for -s upgrade
[09:05] <Hawkerz> just use -s
[09:05] <Hawkerz> Bauer, don't do -s upgrade, it won't actually upgrade anything
[09:05] <Hawkerz> -s only simulates an upgrade in case you only want to know what would be installed
[09:05] <Hawkerz> Bauer, it sounds like you are on the right track now though
[09:05] <Bauer> Hawkerz: I see.. well you want the output? or what?
[09:06] <k1l> jonovee: the security updates come as regular updates
[09:06] <Hawkerz> Bauer, no thanks
[09:06] <Bauer> I am hestitant, why does it say 22.4GB space will be freed? :O
[09:06] <Bauer> what does it plan to remove? the whole system? :D
[09:06] <jonovee> Hawkerz: having bit of difficulty following all, so what do i type exactly in terminal?
[09:07] <Hawkerz> Bauer, as long as it's not reporting any errors you should proceed -- the 22.4GB are cached package files form the release upgrade
[09:07] <Hawkerz> jonovee, as kil mentioned, you automatically get security updates, but if you really want to see whether you have anything to upgrade on your system, you can "sudo apt-get -s upgrade"
[09:07] <Hawkerz> and that will not actually upgrade anything
[09:08] <k1l> Hawkerz: i would run a update first for new package lists
[09:08] <Hawkerz> yes, I said that part a few times but I got tired of retyping it
[09:08] <gartral> Hawkerz: how do i check what version im using
[09:08] <Hawkerz> gartral, what version of what?
[09:09] <Hawkerz> oh, ubuntu
[09:09] <k1l> gartral: lsb_release -a
[09:09] <Hawkerz> lsb_release -a
[09:09] <Bauer> thanks Hawkerz, wylde and Ben64 :) proceeding it will take a while, hopefully it will fix all the problems
[09:09] <gartral> Hawkerz: 12.04
[09:09] <Hawkerz> Bauer, no problem. It can be hard to navigate failed release upgrades
[09:10] <Hawkerz> gartal: you were having display issues? no window borders and such?
[09:10] <Bauer> yup, but I learned not to fear -f :) I thought its the same as --force hehe
[09:10] <gartral> Hawkerz: no window borders when windows are maximized, with firefox having none at all
[09:11] <Hawkerz> gartral, ps aux | grep -e 'compiz|metacity'
[09:11] <jonovee> Hawkerz: so if i understood correctly that simulates the updates without doing them. but how do i know which are security updates? the yes or no answer i am looking for is HAVE ALL PRECISE-SECURITY UPDATES BEEN DONE ON THIS MACHINE? i already know other updates have not been done. i am only interested in finding out about security updates.
[09:11] <jonovee> Hawkerz: please have patience, i am a beginner :)
[09:11] <gartral> Hawkerz: appearently I'm not running either.. teleri    2817  0.0  0.0   4384   844 pts/3    S+   05:11   0:00 grep --color=auto -e compiz|metacity
[09:12] <Hawkerz> jonovee, no problem -- I don't understand why you don't want to do upgrades? or why you don't think you have security udates?
[09:12] <wylde> jonovee, http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ ?
[09:13] <Hawkerz> gartral, did you put quotes around 'compiz|metacity' ?
[09:13] <Hawkerz> and did you put a \ in front of the |?
[09:13] <Hawkerz> it won't work unless you do both
[09:14] <k1l> jonovee: as a beginner you should not thinking about seperating security updates from other updates
[09:14] <jonovee> Hawkerz: if my understanding is correct, to be safe one must be always up-to-date with security updates. other updates are not as important. i have a machine that was set to do them automatically i think. i just want to know if that worked out or not
[09:15] <k1l> jonovee: ubuntu puts the security updates into the regular updates. so to seperate that into security and not security updates is not trivial
[09:15] <Hawkerz> and also not entirely logical -- why is it that you do not want standard updates?
[09:15] <jonovee> k1l: you mean it's difficult to find out?
[09:15] <k1l> gartral: you have the drivers for your video card installed (which one) and running?
[09:16] <gartral> k1l: intel intergrated and yes, as those are in kernel
[09:16] <k1l> jonovee: i suggest you make sure to have all updates installed. to seperate into security and not security is not that easy and it doesnt bring the result you are looking for
[09:16] <Hawkerz> gartral, did you put quotes around 'compiz|metacity' ? and did yo uput a \ in front of the | ?
[09:16] <k1l> gartral: ok.
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> arent most updates to the standard packages security updates?
[09:16] <Hawkerz> gartral, the command is exactly as I type it: ps aux | grep -e 'compiz\|metacity'
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> !latest
[09:17] <gartral> Hawkerz: ahh, it reports as metacirty
[09:17] <gartral> metacity*
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely seen 'high impact bug fixs, or substantial benifit fixs' ;)
[09:17] <k1l> Dr_Willis: yes, in most cases that is the point
[09:17] <Hawkerz> gartral, try running 'compiz --replace'
[09:18] <jonovee> Hawkerz: i want them, but not at this time. another person does not want me to them now, dont know why. but i think this is offtopic from my question, is it not?
[09:18] <gartral> Hawkerz: one step ahead of you, no fix
[09:18] <ikonia> http://clubnomicon.org
[09:18] <ikonia> ooops
[09:19] <ikonia> sorry about that
[09:19] <reisio> eh
[09:19] <reisio> heh*
[09:19] <Hawkerz> gartral, sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[09:19] <jonovee> Hawkerz: i mean do we really need to do all updates to answer my question?
[09:20] <jonovee> Hawkerz: i thought the easy way to answer is to check whether a recent security update was done or not. just dont know how to do it
[09:20] <Hawkerz> gartral, and then: lspci -vvnn | grep -i vga
[09:20] <k1l> jonovee: again: there are bundeld updates with security patches inbetween
[09:20] <k1l> jonovee: please bring the reason not to make updates at all, first.
[09:21] <Hawkerz> jonovee, the way ubuntu updates occur is through repositories. One (or several) of the software repositories your system checks for new software would be responsible for security updates
[09:21] <Hawkerz> jonovee, often it is more than one repository, and sometimes security updates come from multiple repositories which might also deliver regular system & software updates
[09:22] <jonovee> k1l: dont know the reason, i guess he's working on something important and does not want any changes done to the computer or something like that, but still dont understand why this reason is so important
[09:22] <Hawkerz> jonovee, so when you do updates, you get all of those (and you should, and in fact often security updates could pull in updates to other pieces of software from different repositories)
[09:22] <k1l> jonovee: because your "problem" is not a problem at all. you are mmaking it to a problem.
[09:22] <Hawkerz> I can conceive of no possible reason to avoid running standard updates
[09:23] <k1l> jonovee: its like you want a car without a reverse gear. its not common
[09:23] <wylde> run the simulation, see what will be updated then go look at all the changelogs for each package to determine which were security updates heh...easy >.>
[09:23] <jonovee> k1l: mine is a question, let's call it a question
[09:24] <gartral> Hawkerz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287949/
[09:24] <k1l> jonovee: the answer ist still the same: its not supposed to seperate
[09:25] <Hawkerz> gartral, it looks like your video card might be overheating...
[09:25] <jonovee> k1l: the question is a YES or NO question. HAVE ALL SECURITY UPDATES BEEN DONE?
[09:25] <k1l> jonovee: also i think you are mixing apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:25] <ikonia> jonovee: stop typing in caps - and try to understand what people are saying
[09:25] <k1l> jonovee: no need for caps.
[09:25] <Hawkerz> jonovee, I told you which command to run to see if the updates occurred and not actually do any of them.
[09:25] <jonovee> are caps bad? dont understand...
[09:25] <Hawkerz> jonovee, you refused to run that command, so there isn't much else I can do for you.
[09:25] <gartral> Hawkerz: but that doesn't explainwhy this is happening right after initial boot and log in
[09:25] <ikonia> jonovee: security updates are packages just like updates, so common sense would be to keep them in sync, that way if your machine is up to date, you know it's up to date with the lastest stable and security updates
[09:25] <k1l> jonovee: the answer is: if running "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get upgrade" reports no new updates: yes
[09:26] <Hawkerz> gartral, need dmesg output for that
[09:26] <wylde> jonovee, I don't know if it will have the information you want but you could look through /var/log/apt/history.log I suppose
[09:26] <jonovee> Hawkerz: sorry, which command? i am getting lost here...
[09:26] <Hawkerz> jonovee, "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -s upgrade"
[09:26] <ikonia> jonovee: does sudo apt-get upgrade show any updates available ?
[09:26] <Hawkerz> this will not do any upgrades on your system, it will only simulate the process and tell you if you are missing anything
[09:27] <jonovee> k1l: there are plenty of updates that still need to be done, but maybe none are security updates
[09:27] <gartral> Hawkerz: wait up, I'll reboot and get you that
[09:27] <k1l> jonovee: drop that "seperating into security updates". that is not supposed to be seperated
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> most updates i thought are security updates.
[09:27] <Hawkerz> gardar, wait
[09:27] <Hawkerz> ahhh
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> unless you got ppa's or other repos with  extra packages
[09:28] <k1l> jonovee: so if it tells: "some updates to do" the answer is no, you dont have all security updates
[09:28] <Hawkerz> jonovee, when you do normal upgrades with normal ubuntu without adding extra repositories, you are getting primarily security updates
[09:28] <Hawkerz> jonovee, if you want more help from us, you need to show us the output of "sudo apt-get -s upgrade"
[09:28] <Hawkerz> !pastebin | jonovee
[09:29] <Hawkerz> ^ put it in there
[09:29] <k1l> jonovee: you are requesting us to tell you its normal to have a car without reverse gear. we will not do that.
[09:30] <jonovee> ok be back soon
[09:31] <Hawkerz> gartral, dmesg | pastebinit
[09:31] <k1l> seeing http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/ even a apt-get upgrade doesnt seem to be enough since ou need new kernels, too
[09:32]  * wylde nods
[09:32] <gartral> Hawkerz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6287993/
[09:33] <Hawkerz> i don't remember the last time I did updates without doing distribution upgrades
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> i always do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade also. ;) habbits from testing  the beta releases
[09:34] <Hawkerz> gartral, [   39.008377] init: gdm main process (1066) killed by TERM signal
[09:34] <jpds> k1l: Yeah, you need to do 'dist-upgrade' as a new kernel means new packages.
[09:34] <gartral> Hawkerz: right, using lightdm
[09:34] <Hawkerz> oh right
[09:34] <k1l> jpds: yep. i didnt think in the discussion with the user, that even kernel packages are security updates
[09:35] <Hawkerz> gartral, that wasn't the full output of dmesg though
[09:35] <Hawkerz> that or you didn't pipe it into pastebinit
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> from what im reading at askubuntu.com     packages from 'main' and 'restricted' are defined as security updates
[09:35] <gartral> Hawkerz: ok, standby
[09:35] <Hawkerz> did you catch before that pastebinit is a script you can install with apt-get install ?
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/119274/does-ubuntu-generally-post-timely-security-updates
[09:36] <Hawkerz> and then from the terminal you can actually pipe the output of dmesg into it: "dmesg | pastebinit"
[09:36] <gartral> Hawkerz: I'm well versed in the usage of pastebinit and the pipe char
[09:36] <gartral> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288012/
[09:37] <Hawkerz> gartral, are you running this on a netbook?
[09:38] <Hawkerz> yes you are
[09:38] <gartral> Hawkerz: indeed
[09:38] <Hawkerz> is this a dell mini 10?
[09:40] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys quick question i know this is  alittle offtopic, but anyone here use truecrypt?
[09:41] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: someone probably does
[09:41] <reisio> next question
[09:41] <gartral> Hawkerz: negative, Acer AOD250
[09:41] <Hawkerz> gartral, what are your kernel boot parameters?
[09:42] <Hawkerz> gartral, cat /proc/cmdline
[09:43] <gartral> i get BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-51-generic root=UUID=b639ba63-130a-48bd-b1c3-1e377274cbd7 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[09:43] <Hawkerz> ok
[09:43] <Jpmh> in my /dev/shm directory there are a number of LARGE files named: pulse-shm-nnnnn (where nnnn is a sequence of numbers).  What are these files?
[09:44] <ikonia> Jpmh: you shouldn't be interacting with /dev/shm
[09:44] <Jpmh> Psil0Cybin: yes - I have used it extensively - probably off topic this
[09:45] <Jpmh> ikonia: I have never even considered it - but decided to see what was there - and saw these - is it really memory resident too?
[09:45] <gartral> Hawkerz: Ideas?
[09:45] <Hawkerz> gartral, what about dpkg -l | grep zram
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: what is the output of: cat /etc/issue
[09:47] <Hawkerz> gartral, and also dpkg -l | grep intel
[09:47] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: Ununtu 12.04.3 - why
[09:47] <Hawkerz> hmm that might be exhaustive actually
[09:47] <gregor3005> hi, i have a problem since i upgraded to 13.10 that the nvidia settings which are saved in xorg.conf are not used. can anybody help? the driver are in use
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: searching for bugs and wanted the release
[09:47] <Hawkerz> oh no, it should be ok
[09:47] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: OK - ty
[09:47] <gregor3005> ah, wait i check first the xorg logfiles
[09:48] <jonovee> ok so this is for my friend Hawkerz http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288015/
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: if you run:  ps -ef | grep pulse-shmm   are they in use?
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=605078
[09:48] <jonovee> and this is for my friend k1l (so he will stop accusing me of wanting to separate between security and other updates because...ubuntu does too!) http://s12.postimg.org/9zvlkxz65/imp.png
[09:48] <k1l> jonovee: you need to close other programs like softwraecenter or update-manager
[09:48] <Hawkerz> jonovee, you need to close synaptic, or whatever application is currently controlling your system's package manager (software center, synaptic, updater)
[09:49] <Hawkerz> jonovee, please do not come in here and be accusatory
[09:49] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: no, ps -> grep finds no matches
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=569347
[09:49] <Hawkerz> jonovee, we are attempting to help you, but we are doing this because we like helping people.  You will find that you will get much less help if your response is to be hostile
[09:49] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: also - TY - that bug report looks VERY interesting -
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: check comment #4
[09:49] <jonovee> no accusatory intention, i like you people, you are helping me
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: have you not seen these pages? I'm searching the same Internet you have access to?
[09:50] <Ben64> jonovee: just do all the updates, you're making a problem where there isn't one
[09:50] <k1l> jonovee: ok. so see: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/  read into the topic of updates and how they are managed on ubuntu.
[09:50] <k1l> jonovee: if you dont like the answer  that is given, dont blame us
[09:51] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: I was not thinking that there were a big avctually - I have never considered what is in my /dev/shm till right now - actually, never even considered that /dev/shm was using my memory
[09:51] <ventura> @all: is it possible fixing de ICECC bug (recursive call) in ubuntu 13.04/13.10?
[09:52] <gartral> Hawkerz: on first i get ii  zramswap-enabler                              0.2.1-0~25~natty1                                   Use RAM compression instead of swap
[09:52] <ventura> i've  tried building from scratch, but the bug remains
[09:53] <wylde> ventura, have a bug number to go with that? Well unless you fixed the bug before building of course it's still there.
[09:53] <gregor3005> i didn't find the problem in the xorg logfile. this i the logfile, maybe others see more http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288086/
[09:54] <jackfinn> When using Skype, my webcam shows alright and is available in the settings, but when I try to call somebody, the button to turn on video is blocked, but when they call me, it isn't blocked so I can turn my video on, how to fix this?
[09:54] <gregor3005> i fix the warning about the missing fonts
[09:54] <gartral> Hawkerz: for second i recieve http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288091/
[09:54] <Hawkerz> gartral, and also, lsmod | pastebinit
[09:54] <jackfinn> Hawkerz: When using Skype, my webcam shows alright and is available in the settings, but when I try to call somebody, the button to turn on video is blocked, but when they call me, it isn't blocked so I can turn my video on, how to fix this?
[09:54] <jackfinn> Just thought you'd know that, Hawkerz.
[09:55] <jackfinn> since you are Hawkerz and all.
[09:55] <gartral> Hawkerz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288094/
[09:55] <jonovee> k1l: there is a lot of stuff in that link you gave me, where do you want me to look?
[09:55] <Hawkerz> ok
[09:56] <Hawkerz> gartral, are you trying to run full ubuntu desktop on your netbook?
[09:57] <Hawkerz> if you logout/login and try to switch between desktop environments, do you default to unity 2d or regular unity?
[09:57] <k1l> jonovee: (again, you demand a not-beginner task) there are the security updates listed on that site. so you can search for the packges that are used. so you can manually look
[09:57] <stetho> Hi all. I'm looking at using kickstart and I've come up against something I can't find an answer for. I have a number of servers with different specs. Every example kickstart I've found only has the option "part swap --size 1024" - that is, you can only specify an *exact* amount of swap. During an interactive install this is automatically calculated. Is there a way to do this in a kickstart?
[09:58] <jackfinn> stetho: please calm down.
[09:58] <Wiz_KeeD> Guys, in order to format Ubuntu as the only operating system on a notebook, should there be two partitions or just one?
[09:58] <H1FuelCell> hey all
[09:59] <k1l> jonovee: after that packages. btw you will see, that you need to install all updates to meet the security list
[09:59] <stetho> jackfinn: I have no idea what you're on about.
[09:59] <H1FuelCell> I've installed Self Control app, however, it does not block on Chrome
[09:59] <jonovee> k1l: ok thanks. what do i type in terminal then to see if i have a specific one installed or not?
[09:59] <H1FuelCell> I don't have a proxy configured
[09:59] <H1FuelCell> Chrome settings tell me "Using system proxy", and there is none on the system
[09:59] <amritanshu_RnD> if i have configured network interfaces file
[09:59] <k1l> jonovee: see dpkg, apt-get and apt-cache
[10:00] <H1FuelCell> It blocks Firefox
[10:00] <ventura> wylde: https://github.com/icecc/icecream/issues/56
[10:00] <H1FuelCell> but Chromium and Google Chrome - both seem to find their way around it
[10:00] <amritanshu_RnD> with all enteries ,I am able to ping interface gateway  ip & n/w
[10:00] <amritanshu_RnD> but google is unknown host for me
[10:00] <H1FuelCell> I tried searching for "Chrome iptables" but nothing came up
[10:01] <jonovee> Hawkerz: synaptic was closed and no other application was running when i did that
[10:01] <gartral> Hawkerz: ideas?
[10:01] <Hawkerz> gartral, yes
[10:02] <lesshaste> is lubuntu using zram by default now?
[10:02] <lesshaste> if so, why?
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: how big are the files?
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> lesshaste: I'd ask in #lubuntu too
[10:03] <k1l> lesshaste: yes, zram ist default for lubuntu 13.10
[10:03] <lesshaste> k1l, this seems like a terrible idea!
[10:04] <gartral> Hawkerz: awaiting you
[10:04] <wylde> ventura, I found this Bug #1211004. In that link you gave did the second last comment help any?
[10:04] <lesshaste> ActionParsnip, well.. no one ever answers there... 1709 versus 65 people
[10:04] <Hawkerz> hmmm gartral one more question: ps aux | grep unity
[10:04] <k1l> lesshaste: depends
[10:04] <Hawkerz> gartral, and: glxinfo | grep render
[10:05] <k1l> lesshaste: see: http://www.webupd8.org/2013/06/lubuntu-1310-changes-firefox-zram-added.html   its not that terrible as you mention
[10:06] <gartral> Hawkerz: Error: unable to open display
[10:06] <Jpmh> is /dev/shm REALLY memory resident?
[10:06] <ikonia> Jpmh: it's shared memoery
[10:06] <gartral> Hawkerz: oops, wait
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: yes
[10:06] <lesshaste> k1l, well they also say firefox is good for low memory machines!!
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: mount | grep shm
[10:07] <lesshaste> k1l, that I find even more surprising
[10:07] <meet_praveen> how can i run a command as root?
[10:07] <gartral> direct rendering: Yes
[10:07] <gartral> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2
[10:07] <gartral> Hawkerz: ^^
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> meet_praveen: use sudo for CLI commands and gksudofor GUI apps
[10:07] <Hawkerz> hmm
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> meet_praveen: gksudo, sorry
[10:07] <lesshaste> k1l, but it is interesting if zram really does help low memory machines
[10:07] <k1l> lesshaste: i was just pointing at the zram part. and keep in mind, that this channel is not made for ranting
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> meet_praveen: in KDE use kdesu
[10:07] <jonovee> Hawkerz: i had no intention of not being nice before, did you understand? my english is not perfect. but you see k1l and i talk friendly no problem. will you speak me?
[10:07] <lesshaste> k1l, :)
[10:07] <meet_praveen> ActionParsnip: thanks :)
[10:07] <k1l> lesshaste: zram is used on alot of android devices
[10:08] <lesshaste> k1l, I didn't know that
[10:08] <Hawkerz> gartral, and is unity running?
[10:08] <Hawkerz> or is it unity2d
[10:08] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: how does that tell me that it is REALLY memory
[10:08] <k1l> lesshaste: i think you do some reserach on zram. maybe you will understand why they added it as default
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: its tmpfs right?
[10:08] <lesshaste> k1l, maybe
[10:08] <lesshaste> k1l, I'll take a look... thanks
[10:10] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: yes, it is tmpfs
[10:10] <gartral> Hawkerz: negative, Unity is disabled on this machine because it's performance is.. horrible
[10:11] <Hawkerz> oh
[10:11] <Hawkerz> you should use unity2d
[10:11] <Hawkerz> that will probably solve all your problems
[10:11] <Hawkerz> no wonder compiz didn't fix anything
[10:11] <Hawkerz> lol
[10:11] <gartral> Hawkerz: it's my mom's machine, and she doesn't like the look/feel of ubity
[10:11] <Hawkerz> so you are using gnome ? or what?
[10:11] <gartral> unity*
[10:11] <gartral> Hawkerz: gnome, yes
[10:12] <Rickky> Morning
[10:12] <Hawkerz> gnome 3? gnome shell? what
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: then its in ram
[10:12] <jonovee> ok well thanks k1l and Hawkerz and all those who tried to help me (and all those who help others as well). will try out later, have to go now
[10:12] <Jpmh> ActionParsnip: ty so much - very much appreciated
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> Jpmh: n man
[10:13] <ActionParsnip> np*
[10:13] <gartral> Hawkerz: I believe gnome shell
[10:13] <Hook> Hello there
[10:14] <gartral> Hawkerz: brb
[10:14] <cousteau> I read something about Ubuntu having considered to change the default browser from Firefox to Chromium (which doesn't seem to have happened at the end), is this still being considered?
[10:14] <gartral> Hawkerz: back
[10:15] <cousteau> (because I really like Firefox)
[10:15] <gartral> cousteau: not to my knowledge
[10:15] <wylde> cousteau, even if they did you can install it anyway ;)
[10:15] <gartral> cousteau: even if it is, you always have the option of installing firefox and using it
[10:16] <Hawkerz> gartral, this is a resolvable problem ofc, I used to run ubuntu on my dell netbook
[10:16] <Hawkerz> was it working at some point recently?
[10:16] <gartral> Hawkerz: ofc it is, but how?
[10:16] <Hawkerz> has it ever worked properly?
[10:16] <gartral> Hawkerz: not since the jump from 11.10 to 12.04
[10:17] <cousteau> hm, I once had an idea of an Ubuntu installer that just asked you what you want  (in a friendly interface)
[10:17] <meet_praveen> how can i set default permission for all /var directory and its files ?
[10:17] <CatKiller> meet_praveen: Probably a bad idea, but look at chmod -R
[10:18] <cousteau> like  "What desktop style do you want? (Unity/Gnome3/Classic/sKDE/LXDE/XFCE)  Are these default programs OK or do you want others?  Any extra thing you'd like to install?"
[10:18] <gartral> meet_praveen: first check your permissions.. ls -lagst
[10:19] <gartral> Hawkerz: would purging gnome-shell and reinstalling after a reboot fix the issue?
[10:19] <AtuM> meet_praveen, try not to put space between the "/" and "var" :D
[10:21] <spydon> Is the australian repo mirrors down? I get W: Failed to fetch ... URL ... 503  Service unavailable
[10:21] <meet_praveen> CatKiller: gartral AtuM ......this is th result of command........http://pastie.org/8423613
[10:21] <spydon> When doing apt-get update
[10:21] <cousteau> spydon, try to access them via a browser
[10:22] <Hawkerz> gartral, probably not, you should really try loading up unity 2d
[10:22] <CatKiller> meet_praveen: Well it's not the results of chmod for sure :p
[10:22] <Hawkerz> i suspect you can't run gnome shell in that thing, but you can tell me that actually
[10:22] <meet_praveen> someone messed up my systems permission so i am stuck.......
[10:23] <cousteau> http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ right?  seems to respond to ping
[10:23] <CatKiller> meet_praveen: Maybe reinstall
[10:23] <CatKiller> might be faster
[10:23] <CatKiller> And you probably only need to backup your home folder
[10:23] <gartral> Hawkerz: I'll.. try, my mom won't be happy
[10:23] <Hawkerz> meet_praveen, are you doing anything important with your machine? are you getting errors now?
[10:23] <CatKiller> Also you can keep track of the installed packages
[10:23] <Hawkerz> gartral, well hang on
[10:23] <Hawkerz> don't do anything yet :p
[10:23]  * cousteau thinks that the Ubuntu updater should fall back to the "central repositories" if the local ones don't work
[10:24] <gartral> Hawkerz: awaiting further direction
[10:24] <Hawkerz> not to mention you don't have to get rid of gnome shell anyway, it's a session setting when you login
[10:24] <Rickky> Hey guys, New Relic is giving me alerts that /boot is >95% full. Is that a problem?
[10:24] <Rickky>  / uses like 3.5 out of 30 gigs so that is fine
[10:24] <Hawkerz> you just click on the little circle icon and you can swap between different desktop environments and stuff
[10:24] <CatKiller> Rickky: Whenever you update Ubuntu and a new kernel image is available, it gets copied there. Old ones are not removed (so you can keep booting on them in GRUB2)
[10:25] <cousteau> maybe it could be made that sources.list allowed options like `deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/;http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted
[10:25] <meet_praveen> Hawkerz:  main problem is with postgresql.........i am unable to start postgresql server
[10:25] <gartral> Hawkerz: I know that
[10:25] <CatKiller> Rickky: But obviously that means /boot (if not on the default root partition) will fill up.
[10:25] <CatKiller> Rickky: You could delete older kernels from there
[10:25] <CatKiller> Rickky: See http://askubuntu.com/questions/315429/server-boot-partition-is-filling-up-can-i-apt-get-remove-images-inbetween-the
[10:26] <CatKiller> which by the way was found by googling "boot partition filling up"
[10:26] <cousteau> it'd be nice if Ubuntu removed old kernels automatically  (always keeping the last N and first K ones)
[10:26] <CatKiller> That's very true
[10:26] <Rickky> CatKiller: Ah that looks like a good one, thanks for that
[10:26] <cousteau> N=3 and K=1 or 2 sounds like a good idea
[10:26] <Rickky> cousteau: +1 for that
[10:27] <CatKiller> cousteau: Actually funny thing, if you type "Ubuntu automatically" in Google, autocomplete thinks of "remove old kernels"
[10:28] <cousteau> that way you can still boot with older kernels if newer ones get installed (even if something was already broken and you didn't notice, you still have a 3rd kernel backup)
[10:28] <cousteau> and if everything gets messed up, you still have the original one, and maybe the one that got installed after the 1st update
[10:28] <spydon> cousteau: says down for maintenance, never seen that with a repo before...
[10:29] <CatKiller> Although I think these days the installer puts /boot in the root partition
[10:29] <CatKiller> so this is not really an issue anymore
[10:29] <CatKiller> it just "dirties" the grub menu quite a bit
[10:29] <gugaua> Hello, I am setting up Postix and cyrus-imapd, for cyrus auth I use AUXPROP with SASLDB plugin, Now I am tying to connect with Thunderbird but it says username or password is wrong but I can´t see in log that cyrus was even trying to aith me can somone help me out?
[10:29] <cousteau> spydon, that probably means the server is down for maintenance...  I don't think there were many things to do
[10:29] <Hawkerz> gartral, I'm getting the last set of commands together for you
[10:29] <Hawkerz> so that you dont' have to keep doing random shit as I think of it
[10:29] <spydon> cousteau: yeah, thank you!
[10:29] <cousteau> although in those cases they could just redirect au.archive.ubuntu.com to archive.ubuntu.com temporarily
[10:30] <spydon> cousteau: exactly, maybe I can change temporarily on the repo file?
[10:30] <cousteau> I mean, it's not like there are no mirrors for au.archive.ubuntu.com (like, all of the other mirrors)
[10:30] <cousteau> spydon, yeah, in "Software sources"
[10:30] <ventura> wylde: not at all. i also found a comment suggesting to install icecc-1.0.0 package from debian, but the error persisted
[10:30] <spydon> cousteau: what's that file called again?
[10:31] <Rickky> CatKiller: Yeah purging those unused ones really quickly gives me back my /boot space, thanks!
[10:32] <spydon> cousteau: nvm, found it!
[10:32] <wylde> ventura, I don't know if I'd just install the debian package. I would have suggested the 1.0.0 source, build then install with checkinstall. I read that a couple bugs were fixed upstream in debian unstable.
[10:32] <cousteau> spydon, there's a graphical way to do that.  Go to the software center, Edit > Software sources
[10:32] <CatKiller> Rickky: No prob
[10:32] <spydon> cousteau: I don't have a full DE
[10:32] <cousteau> better than manually modifying sources.list
[10:32] <cousteau> oh, then yeah, modify sources.list
[10:33] <diverdude> i have installed vsftpd using this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/ftp-server.html but when i try to connect to the server via ftp it says that it cannot establish connection...what could be the problem?
[10:33] <Rickky> CatKiller: It's funny though, uname -r gives me x.x.x-37 and of course there are lower 36 and 34, but also 40, 41 and 42 are already there
[10:33] <wylde> ventura, unfortunately that's the best I have on the matter. Perhaps someone else may have better suggestions.
[10:33] <gartral> Hawkerz: appreciated
[10:34] <CatKiller> Rickky: These are not the versions, but the subversions. So 3.10.1-37 is higher than 3.10.0-40
[10:34] <diverdude> i can log on to the server via ssh and i can ping it also
[10:34] <diverdude> and i have restarted the ftp service
[10:35] <diverdude> im running 13.04
[10:35] <Rickky> CatKiller: That makes sense, but 3.5.0-37 is lower than 3.5.0-42 I assume?
[10:35] <CatKiller> Rickky: Yes
[10:35] <Rickky> CatKiller: Yeah so besides having older kernels, there are also, unused, newer ones in /boot
[10:35] <CatKiller> Rickky: Then it's strange. what's your full uname -a?
[10:35] <ventura> wylde: thx! if i don't come with a solution in the next hours, i will have to downgrade to 12.04.3
[10:36] <Rickky> Linux web02 3.5.0-37-generic #58~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 10 17:48:11 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:36] <CatKiller> Rickky: btw, this answer is better: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu
[10:36] <wylde> ventura, sorry I couldn't be of more help. Best of luck finding a fix though :)
[10:36] <CatKiller> it uses apt to remove them
[10:36] <CatKiller> cleaner
[10:36] <lapion> hello
[10:36] <CatKiller> also removes them from the boot menu
[10:36] <CatKiller> maybe there it will do it better
[10:37] <CatKiller> Rickky: also for .40
[10:37] <CatKiller> sorry -40
[10:37] <Rickky> CatKiller: Euhw yeah already apt-get purged them now
[10:37] <CatKiller> maybe you updated but never rebooted?
[10:37] <Rickky> CatKiller: Linux web02 3.5.0-37-generic #58~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 10 17:48:11 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:37] <lapion> I am trying to use zsync to download 13.10 to no avail.
[10:37] <lapion> anyone else having this same problem ?
[10:37] <Rickky> I think this might also be because it's a 12.04 machine with repo's set to I believe 13.04
[10:37] <Hawkerz> gartral, do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:37] <CatKiller> ahh ok :) Odd
[10:38] <Rickky> CatKiller: I recall something that it needed something from the newer repo's that wasn't in the own 12.04 repo, but the machine never actuallu upgraded to 13.04.
[10:38] <Rickky> CatKiller: So it has like 234 updates waiting to be done, because apt things everything is outdatred
[10:38] <gartral> Hawkerz: negative
[10:38] <Rickky> CatKiller: Just sloppyness
[10:39] <CatKiller> Rickky: That would explain things :)
[10:39] <Hawkerz> ok
[10:41] <diverdude> anyone?
[10:41] <reisio> diverdude: ?
[10:43] <diverdude> reisio,  i have installed vsftpd using this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/ftp-server.html but when i try to connect to the server via ftp it says that it cannot establish connection...what could be the problem?
[10:43] <CatKiller> diverdude: That guide is for 10.04
[10:43] <CatKiller> diverdude: You said you're on 13.04
[10:43] <wylde> diverdude, details. Is this on a VPS? A home server connecting through residential ISP?
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: can you ping the server?
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> diverdude: any particular reason to use FTP instead of SFTP?
[10:44] <CatKiller> diverdude: Follow this guide instead: https://help.ubuntu.com/13.04/serverguide/ftp-server.html
[10:45] <CatKiller> diverdude: Purge everything you've done beforehand
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> or use SFTP
[10:45] <CatKiller> or use sftp yes
[10:45] <maluko> guys just a quick question have anyone ever tried to create a new custom installation iso based on ubuntu and changed the appearence of the install menus and other stuff that can point me in the right direction?
[10:46] <diverdude> CatKiller, CatKiller that the exact same instructions except setting anonymous_enable=Yes in conf file....i did that also and still the same  :(
[10:47] <diverdude> ActionParsnip, i can ping the server yes, and i can connect w. ssh
[10:47] <CatKiller> diverdude: Any reason not to use SFTP?
[10:47] <CatKiller> Also called "scp" sometimes
[10:47] <CatKiller> good FTP clients can use that protocol too
[10:47] <soee> hi, is it possible to move the left  bar at the bottom of the screen ?
[10:47] <CatKiller> it's very easy to setup and safer
[10:47] <soee> *unity
[10:48] <diverdude> CatKiller, yeah ok...i can do that....thx
[10:49] <gugaua> Hello, I cannot connect to cyrus-imapd with Thunderbird it says wrong passwort or username I tried both username and username@domain.tlf all I get is :
[10:49] <gugaua> Oct 23 12:48:55 mailserver cyrus/master[8439]: about to exec /usr/lib/cyrus/bin/imapd
[10:49] <gugaua> Oct 23 12:48:55 mailserver cyrus/imap[8439]: executed
[10:49] <gugaua> Oct 23 12:48:55 mailserver cyrus/imap[8439]: accepted connection
[10:49] <reisio> soee: yeah, check the comments at https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/668415
[10:52] <the_drow> Hi what's the best way to install postgres on ubuntu 13.10?
[10:52] <Hawkerz> gartral, I think I have the command you need!
[10:52] <gartral> Hawkerz: ready and waiting!
[10:54] <Hawkerz> gartral, I think these are all the logs I need anyway...
[10:54] <Hawkerz> pastebinit <( cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; sudo cat /var/log/syslog ; cat /var/log/kern.log ; xrandr --verbose -q ; cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf; )
[10:54] <Hawkerz> and
[10:57] <bmxscott1993> need help update to the new 13.10  sorted every thing out but my surround sound but my computer would not let out music nourmlly i set it up using the sudo python run.py that work but still no music coming out
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> bmxscott1993: did you try resetting pulseaudio to default settings?
[10:58] <MoL0ToV> there are a distro with samba4 that supports the domain policy management?
[10:59] <Hawkerz> also, gartral you can try adding this to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LNIUX_DEFAULT" in /etc/default/grub, and then run sudo update-grub2 after that: i915.modeset=1 enable_mtrr_cleanup nopat
[10:59] <Hawkerz> gartral, leave the link, do that, and reboot. I have to run for 5 or so
[11:00] <bmxscott1993> il try that
[11:00] <andreiiar> How do I specify ping timeout to be less than 1 second? -W 0.2 doesn't seem to work.
[11:01] <gartral> xorg.0 http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288310/ | syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288316/ | kernlog http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288326/ | xrandr http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288328/ | blacklist http://paste.ubuntu.com/6288333/
[11:04] <gartral> Hawkerz:
[11:05] <gartral> Hawkerz: no change, other than the system rebooted really fast
[11:07] <punza> Hi
[11:08] <punza> When opening a tar.gz file with file roller and attepting an extraction
[11:08] <zorael> What could cause -- Failed to fetch http://ftp.portlane.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/t/ttf-bitstream-vera/ttf-bitstream-vera_1.10-8_all.deb  Size mismatch ?
[11:08] <punza> into a folder within my home folder
[11:09] <punza> I receive an error when extracting files.. "Error setting owner: Operation not permitted"
[11:09] <k1l> zorael: make sure the 3rd party source is up and running and consitent
[11:09] <Archyme> i'm having a problem installing teamviewer_linux_x64.deb to 13.10 through the software center (downloaded from teamviewer.com). Software center gives me an error: Dependency is not satisfiable: lib32asound2. I tried to sudo apt-get install lib32asound2 in terminal but it is unable to locate the package. Any help greatly appreciated!
[11:09] <rogston> reisio: Thank you for the debootstrap hint, got the ubuntu minimal installed that way and wlan works too.
[11:09] <reisio> punza: you can ignore that
[11:09] <reisio> punza: not a problem until it is, which is likely never
[11:10] <ikonia> Archyme: it depends on a dependency that is not there
[11:10] <ikonia> Archyme: check if that deb is designed to be used with ubuntu 13.10
[11:10] <reisio> punza: grab the tarball instead of the .deb
[11:10] <bluechaos> s
[11:10] <maluko> guys has anyone ever tried to create a new custom installation iso based on ubuntu and changed the appearence of the install menus and other stuff that can point me in the right direction?
[11:10] <reisio> erm
[11:10] <reisio> Archyme: grab the tarball instead of the .deb
[11:10] <punza> I don't understand, if it is not a problem why would it provide an dialogue box.
[11:11] <zorael> k1l: It's one of the official Swedish repos, delayed one day behind
[11:11] <punza> I am opening the tarball tar.gz file.
[11:11] <vvvvv>  vlc : Depends: libva-x11-1 (> 1.1.0~) but it is not installable
[11:11] <reisio> punza: same reason someone made a GUI frontend to tar in the first place: boredom
[11:11] <reisio> punza: press okay or whatever and see if it finishes
[11:11] <Archyme> ikonia,  they do not specify which versions it works with. I had no problem with 12.04
[11:11] <reisio> Archyme: like he said, that package simply isn't available for your version of ubuntu
[11:12] <ikonia> Archyme: ok, so that's the problem then
[11:12] <reisio> your version of ubuntu only came out a couple days ago
[11:12] <punza> no it doesn't.
[11:12] <punza> it creates the folder, though doesn't proceed to extract the files
[11:12] <reisio> Archyme: you should be able to force it or use the tarball rather than the deb
[11:13] <Archyme> reisio, ikonia, thanks for the help!
[11:13] <reisio> punza: try tar -xf from a terminal, then
[11:13] <Dr_Willis> or try the good old reliable (not installed by default)  'unp' command.  punza
[11:14] <vvvvv> hi guys im having trouble installing vlc  vlc : Depends: libva-x11-1 (> 1.1.0~) but it is not installable
[11:15] <CatKiller> vvvvv: VLC is in the ubuntu repos no?
[11:15] <vvvvv> also i m getting an error
[11:15] <cfhowlett> !info vlc|CatKiller
[11:15] <punza> when I run the command line it works.
[11:15] <reisio> heh
[11:15] <cfhowlett> !info vlc
[11:15] <reisio> punza: so file roller is stupid :)
[11:15]  * cfhowlett thinks he will master Ubottu - someday
[11:16] <vvvvv> that seems to have an error that was solved years ago
[11:16] <punza> ok thanks, may need to file a bug report then.
[11:16] <CatKiller> So "sudo apt-get install vlc" fails?
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> Ok.. silly little hardware question. Got xbmc running on my pc hooked to a tv.. i grabbed the tv's remote.. and its controlling the xbmc session.. and i dont see how its doing that. ;)  unless theres some sort of way the remotes signals to the tv are going back down the tv hdmi cable to the pc.
[11:16] <vvvvv> http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=27071
[11:17] <vvvvv> http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=27071
[11:17] <vvvvv> sorry
[11:17] <vvvvv> Reinstallation of ubuntu-desktop is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[11:18] <CatKiller> vvvvv: What version are you on?
[11:19] <CatKiller> You haven't touched the "apt" sources either right?
[11:19] <CatKiller> If so maybe purge and reinstall might work
[11:19] <vvvvv> saucy
[11:20] <CatKiller> from the official release or an older one?
[11:20] <CatKiller> Also did you edit your sources?
[11:20] <CatKiller> Did you try to purge vlc and reinstall?
[11:20] <vvvvv> tried to add some ppa's but removed them afterwards
[11:20] <vvvvv> i did an upgrade
[11:21] <Ben64> why are you linking to crunchbang's website
[11:21] <vvvvv> Ben64: i dont know .. i just twas the top link :(
[11:22] <Ben64> you do actually have actual ubuntu, right?
[11:22] <vvvvv> yeah
[11:22] <Ben64> not mint, not crunchbang, not anything else
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> vvvvv: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[11:22] <vvvvv> Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> !info ubuntu-desktop saucy
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> vvvvv: its in the main repo, do you have that enabled?
[11:23] <sometux> not mint, not crunchbang, not anything else
[11:24] <iarinov> hello
[11:24] <Natan> olá bom dia companheiros.
[11:24] <reisio> 'lo
[11:24] <vvvvv> darnit main was disabled
[11:24] <iarinov> how to change keyboard layout?
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: which deskotp, or is it server?
[11:24] <vvvvv> let me check if that solves it
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: details!
[11:24] <iarinov> ActionParsnip: ubuntu 13
[11:25] <iarinov> ubuntu 13.10
[11:25] <iarinov> default desktop
[11:25] <Hawkerz> gartral, does suspend/resume work on that machine?
[11:25] <iarinov> i have two keyboard layouts and super+space does not work
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: if you search for keyboard in Dash, do you not get a handy application?
[11:26] <iarinov> ActionParsnip: i get it
[11:26] <iarinov> ActionParsnip: then should i choose layout settings then?
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: not sure from there, try in that app
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: let me search
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: try CTRL+SPACE or ALT+SPACE
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: http://askubuntu.com/questions/362041/problem-setting-keyboard-shortcuts-after-upgrade-to-saucy
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> iarinov: http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/ubuntu-reviews/ubuntu-13-10/ keyboard stuff mentioned here too
[11:39] <mastroWork> I need to downgrade libc -- I execute this command: sudo apt-get install libc-bin:amd64=2.17-0ubuntu5 multiarch-support:amd64=2.17-0ubuntu5 libc6-dev:amd64=2.17-0ubuntu5 libc-dev-bin:amd64=2.17-0ubuntu5 libc6:amd64=2.17-0ubuntu5
[11:39] <mastroWork> but it also want to remove many packages
[11:39] <Ben64> yeah well don't do that :S
[11:39] <mastroWork> can I downgrade without removing those packages?
[11:39] <Gregor_> anyone knows a good software for remote desktop
[11:40] <Ben64> mastroWork: why would you need to
[11:40] <gartral> Hawkerz: yes, but doesn't solve
[11:40] <mastroWork> Ben64, I'm facing a weird bug with development
[11:40] <vvvvv> ActionParsnip: CatKiller thanks .. got it workng :) thanks alot guys
[11:40] <Ben64> Gregor_: theres tons of vnc clients/servers
[11:40] <gartral> anything
[11:40] <puguh> 128.237.157.136
[11:40] <mastroWork> Ben64, I had a tool generating binary files. Files generated before this friday works
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: what are you intending to do on the remote PC once you get connected?
[11:40] <mastroWork> Ben64, files generated today don't
[11:40] <vvvvv> was too busy looking at all the wrong places
[11:40] <Ben64> report a bug then
[11:40] <mastroWork> Ben64, so I'm trying to downgrade my system to friday state
[11:41] <mastroWork> Ben64, can't wait for a bug and the bug happen with a third party product (Android jobb tool) so nobody will care
[11:41] <mastroWork> Ben64, now back to the problem, how do I downgrade without making apt remove my packages?
[11:41] <Ben64> if you never report it, it might never get fixed
[11:41] <mastroWork> I'll report it if the problem is there
[11:42] <mastroWork> Ben64, I'll know if the problem is there if I downgrade, try to generate the file and discover that was the issue
[11:42] <mastroWork> now, how do I downgrade libc without apt-get removing lot of packages?
[11:42] <mastroWork> is that even possible?
[11:42] <Gregor_> is teamspeak working offline
[11:43] <Gregor_> ahm
[11:43] <Gregor_> i mean teamviewer
[11:43] <puguh> 1289.345.34
[11:43] <Ben64> teamviewer is not really a good choice
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: you may find there is a sleker solution to what you want to us desktop accessing for
[11:43] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: what are you trying to do?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> Ben64: there is a known bug with 64bit and teamviewer though
[11:43] <Gregor_> can you use teamviewer if the teamviewer servers are offline?
[11:43] <AndroUser> I am haveing problems with xorg, i think, and don't know how to fix it. I've been reading things online for the past 8 hours
[11:44] <mastroWork> Ben64, --no-remove give error: E: Packages need to be removed but remove is disabled.
[11:44] <AndroUser> :-(
[11:44] <Gregor_> I want to remote a server
[11:44] <Ben64> Gregor_: ssh
[11:44] <Gregor_> ssh?
[11:44] <Ben64> !ssh | Gregor_
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: to do what though?? This is my question?
[11:44] <lukecarrier> Hi all, how're people finding the upgrade to Saucy?
[11:44] <Ben64> mastroWork: raring?
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: lets suppose you get connected and can see the desktop, what are you going to do on the remote system>
[11:44] <rajat> hey , there is a bug in ubuntu 13.04 that doesn't allow  the netbeans  to start . anyone knowledgable about it (with openjdk 6 )
[11:44] <mastroWork> Ben64, I upgraded libc from 2.17-0ubuntu5, 2.17-0ubuntu5.1 -- no other file have been upgraded so why should it remove them?
[11:44] <AndroUser> Startx doesn'h fail, but it is Just black
[11:45] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: use ssh
[11:45] <AndroUser> Saucy broke my work cowputer.....
[11:45] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: servers don't have graphical desktops
[11:45] <k1l> AndroUser: dont use startx
[11:45] <lukecarrier> Looks like some of my PPAs have caused it bomb out
[11:45] <k1l> AndroUser: start the desktop with "sudo service lightdm start"
[11:45] <Gregor_> Lol
[11:45] <Ben64> mastroWork: you may be able to select the older version from synaptic
[11:45] <AndroUser> K11, same thing
[11:45] <AndroUser> Black
[11:45] <Gregor_> and for remoting a pc with graphical desktop?
[11:46] <AndroUser> Oh wait
[11:46] <k1l> AndroUser: then see the logs. like .xsession-errors in /home
[11:46] <AndroUser> K11, it says failed to start
[11:46] <Ben64> Gregor_: vnc over ssh
[11:46] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: no idea, it's not something I've ever felt the need to do
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: but to what end? There may be a sleeker way than steaming the whole desktop. This is what I am saying to you
[11:46] <Ben64> but yeah, you should never need to have a gui on a server
[11:46] <puguh> sorrii
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: if you can give me examples of activities you plan to do. I may be able to advise
[11:46] <binyod> hello everyone, is there a tool on ubuntu to convert .flv video files into audio?
[11:46] <binyod> possibly .mp3
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: are you wanting to see the desktop to run updates?
[11:47] <cfhowlett> binyod, ffmpeg will do it
[11:47] <Ben64> binyod: ffmpeg, mencoder, mplayer
[11:47] <Gregor_> i only want to remote the desktop
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> binyod: are the flv's downloaded from youtube by any chance?
[11:47] <Gregor_> like with teamviewer
[11:47] <AndroUser> K11, the xsesion errocs say software acceleration check failed
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: but why?
[11:47] <gordonjcp> binyod: play it back with mplayer, set video output to null and audio output to wave, or pcm (can't remember which)
[11:47] <Gregor_> but i think teamviewer isnt good
[11:47] <k1l> AndroUser: which video card and what driver do you got?
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: why do you want the desktop?
[11:48] <mastroWork> Ben64, ok it forced me to also downgrade libc6:i386
[11:48] <binyod> cfhowlett, thank you! will install and try them now
[11:48] <binyod> Ben64, thank you!
[11:48] <AndroUser> I'm using the intel hd 3000, don't know how to check driver k11
[11:48] <binyod> ActionParsnip, yes!
[11:48] <Gregor_> because im a noob and dont know tty or telnet commands
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> binyod: then you are wasting time
[11:48] <cfhowlett> binyod, have fun!
[11:48] <k1l> AndroUser: ok, the drivers are in the kernel already.
[11:48] <Ben64> Gregor_: if you have a server you really should learn them!
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> binyod: www.youtube-mp3.org
[11:48] <mastroWork> Ben64, should I reboot for libc downgrade to take action?
[11:48] <binyod> gordonjcp, thank you for the hints!
[11:49] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: yeah, you need to use the command line to work with servers
[11:49] <Gregor_> ok
[11:49] <Ben64> mastroWork: probably
[11:49] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: even in Windows
[11:49] <mastroWork> Ben64, (thank you)
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: again, what are you wanting to do on the remote PC? Not everything is command line
[11:49] <Gregor_> your right
[11:49] <mastroWork> brb
[11:49] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: Windows servers don't use GUIs either
[11:49] <AndroUser> K11 coo. I'm using 3.11, it just upgraded from 3.8
[11:49] <Gregor_> only for fun
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> binyod: that site will do it for you, saves a lot of time and effort
[11:49] <binyod> ActionParsnip, it'd already not worked with soundconverter :)
[11:49] <Gregor_> want to try things out
[11:49] <Guest25922> hi. trying xubuntu13.10 using liveusb on p4 with intel graphics controller 82865g. the working is smooth but the graphics are not.. the desktop looks like this. http://s9.postimg.org/5wf2wi59r/Screenshot_10232013_11_44_53_AM.png how do i install or activate the appropriate driver?
[11:49] <Gregor_> and i also dont have a real server
[11:49] <Ben64> fun and server don't really mix, thats how people get hacked
[11:50] <Gregor_> only a pc at home
[11:50] <Ben64> then use some iteration of vnc
[11:50] <binyod> ActionParsnip, thank you! this looks great, will try it now!
[11:50] <Gregor_> vnc
[11:50] <Gregor_> is vnc a protocoll like irc?
[11:50] <k1l> AndroUser: can you pastebin the logs? so others could have a read for suggestions?
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: you can use VNC over SSH but you are basically wasting resources. You can run updates via SSH and access your fles securely over SFP
[11:51] <binyod> ActionParsnip, the problem is that the video I convert is >20 min. :(
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: you can manage torrents using web interfaces in clients, which phones can also communicate with
[11:51] <Gregor_> SFP?
[11:51] <binyod> they don't convert videos longer than 20 min.
[11:51] <AndroUser> How do i do that? I can't get to a browser on the computer taht needs help
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> binyod: is ther ea limit on the site?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: SFTP
[11:51] <binyod> ActionParsnip, yes
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> binyod: oh :(
[11:51] <Gregor_> you meen FTP?
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: no, SFTP Secure File Transfer Protocol
[11:52] <cfhowlett> binyod, pretty sure you can import .flv audio into audacity and output your .mp3
[11:52] <k1l> !pastebinit | AndroUser
[11:52] <Gregor_> That is saver thean FTP?
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: but you would NOT tell me what you were wantingf to do so I could not advise better
[11:52] <Hawkerz> gartral, my question about suspend/resume was not directly related to the graphics issue -- it often causes a lot of prroblems if you suspend a linux install
[11:52] <Gregor_> only playing around
[11:52] <Gregor_> im interrested in those things
[11:52] <Gregor_> nothing more
[11:53] <AndroUser> Paste.ubuntu.com/6288586
[11:53] <gartral> Hawkerz: it doesn't seem to matter
[11:53] <binyod> cfhowlett, Ben64, for everyone's information: ffmpeg is apparently no more in use. after install when  I tried to start it I got this message :  THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED ***
[11:53] <binyod> This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[11:53] <AndroUser> That's xsession, k11
[11:53] <Hawkerz> gartral, what IRC client are you using?
[11:53] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: SFTP isn't much like FTP at all
[11:53] <Gregor_> but im planing to get a server with teamspeak, irc and maybe a game like counterstrike
[11:54] <Ben64> binyod: yeah, same thing, different name
[11:54] <Gregor_> whats the diffrence
[11:54] <AndroUser> What else should i upload?
[11:54] <binyod> Ben64, oh, ok
[11:54] <Gregor_> between ftp and sftp
[11:54] <AndroUser> Lightdm log?, k11
[11:54] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: well, FTP is basically like posting your usernames and passwords on reddit and hoping that no-one notices
[11:54] <cfhowlett> binyod, yea, avconv is the new one, but i don't know how to use it.  FYI< confirmed that Audacity will import .flv and export .mp3
[11:54] <gordonjcp> Gregor_: SFTP does everything over ssh
[11:54] <binyod> cfhowlett, trying audacity now, though I'm not very familiar with it yet
[11:55] <Gregor_> at sftp noone can sniff the password?
[11:55] <cfhowlett> binyod, import the .flv.  export the .mp3
[11:55] <Gregor_> right?
[11:55] <binyod> cfhowlett, thank you! I'll try now
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: its 128bit encrypted, so no
[11:55] <Hawkerz> gartral, also, can you run glxgears?
[11:55] <gartral> Hawkerz: irssi through terminal
[11:55] <AndroUser> Paste.Ubuntu.com/6288596 lightdm log
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: hence why its call SFTP, not FTP (FTP sends everything in plain text)
[11:56] <gartral> Hawkerz: indeed i cal
[11:56] <gartral> can*
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: once more, WHY do you want to access the desktop on the server? What activities do you want to do?
[11:56] <Gregor_> so its easier to catch the login data?
[11:56] <binyod> cfhowlett, there are options to import; audio, labels, midi, raw data.. which one is the right one for .flv?
[11:56] <Gregor_> its not a server
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: I see loads of people running VNC servers then opening terminals and working in CLI
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: if you run something you can get a connection to, it is a server
[11:57] <cfhowlett> binyod, try open the .flv in audacity.
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: the server serves the service
[11:57] <Hawkerz> gardar, what does it give you as your fps
[11:57] <Gregor_> lol
[11:57] <Hawkerz> gartral*
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: why 'lol' ?
[11:57] <AndroUser> K11, thoughts?
[11:57] <Gregor_> i want to help friends on their pcs
[11:57] <gartral> Hawkerz: between 235 and 42 fps
[11:57] <Gregor_> the server runs the service
[11:57] <Gregor_> that rimes!
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: then you need the teamviewer client, not server
[11:57] <Gregor_> xD
[11:58] <Gregor_> because they have to open ports
[11:58] <Gregor_> right
[11:58] <Gregor_> if i use vnc
[11:58] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: yes but if you wnat to connect to them, then you need the client, not the server
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: THEY will run the server and your client will connect to their server
[11:59] <binyod> I'm just wondering.. soundconverter used to work all the time. it is not converting lately.
[11:59] <Gregor_> and if i use vnc for this they have to open ports
[11:59] <Gregor_> right?
[11:59] <Hawkerz> gartral, can you pm me? irssi has /exec right?
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> Gregor_: yes and you will connect to their WAN IP
[12:02] <Paterito> I have a question why when I type su and press enter it says authentication failed? I'm on ubuntu live
[12:02] <Gregor_> but can you use teamviewer when the teamviewer servers are offline
[12:02] <gordonjcp> Paterito: do you mean "sudo"?
[12:02] <cordell> Paterito: try sudo su if you need root access for something
[12:05] <Gregor_> and if i have an vnc server running on pc
[12:05] <Paterito> gordonjcp: I want su please
[12:05] <Paterito> can it be done?
[12:06] <Gregor_> can i access from another vnc client
[12:06] <gordonjcp> !sudo | Paterito
[12:06] <Gregor_> client from another company
[12:10] <binyod> cfhowlett, I will be able to convert the file to mp3, but there was another problem here. though I wanted to convert to mp3, I had earlier somehow problem playing some files with my mp3 player (!). I don't know if this relates to the format itself. it is a sony walkman, if you're familiar with it. is there any other format you might suggest which would surely play?
[12:10] <mastro> Ben64, nope, downgrading didn't helped ... I'll re-upgrade
[12:10] <binyod> sorry for the long explanation! :)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:12] <AndroUser> K11? I really need to fix this :-(
[12:13] <jackfinn> ask.fm is not detecting my webcam? it says "Please turn your camera on or make sure that it is not in use by another application"
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: you can, just run:   su username
[12:15] <jackfinn> ActionParsnip: hello.
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: Linux is true multiuser, so you can become any user you know the password of
[12:15] <jackfinn> ActionParsnip: How can I know if /etc/rc.local executed my script or not.
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: so yes, you can use su
[12:15] <jackfinn> I just added /opt/actionparsnipexample.sh in /etc/rc.local
[12:15] <jackfinn> hello actionparsnip
[12:15] <jackfinn> ?
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: you could add a line in your script to put a file on your user's desktop
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: hi
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: is the file marked executable?
[12:16] <vlt> jackfinn: Or append something to a logfile
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: does it have the top line of:   #!/bin/bash
[12:16] <jackfinn> lemme check
[12:16] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: you do realise that the '.sh' file extension does nothing at all
[12:16] <jackfinn> #!/bin/sh -e
[12:17] <jackfinn> /etc/rc.local starts with #!/bin/sh -e
[12:17] <greek> Hi. I've got a newly installed Lenovo X230 laptop with Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 LTS. I'd like to install the graphics drivers (currently under System Details under Graphics it says Drivers "unknown"). How do I go about doing this? The graphics card is an Intel HD Graphics 4000.
[12:17] <foofoobar> k1l, hi. You helped me a few days/weeks ago with my dell xps 13. I had a problem with my wifi connection which dropped the connection from time to time.
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: yes but does your script?
[12:17] <jackfinn> I want /etc/rc.local to EXECUTE a script on startup.
[12:17] <jackfinn> do you get my point?
[12:17] <foofoobar> Your patch fixed it However I noticed something strange: I still have connection problems.. Not connection drops, but it "lags" sometimes
[12:17] <foofoobar> k1l, http://pastebin.com/V4ZK9Uxs
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: yes but if the shell doesnt know what language you are using, how can it use it
[12:20] <jackfinn> my script does start with #!/bin/bash
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: again, is the top line of /opt/actionparsnipexample.sh    #!/bin/bash   ?
[12:20] <jackfinn> yes
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: then it wil be ran
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: you can add a line to make a file on your user desktop so that you know it ran
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: eg:    echo "success" | tee /home/jackfinn/Desktop/test.txt > /dev/null
[12:21] <Paterito> ActionParsnip: I tried su username but it gives me a message saying if I want admin priviligeis I should use sudo
[12:21] <jackfinn> I cannot install archlinux on my virtualbox, actionparsnip.
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: i also suggest you suffix your script in /etc/rc.local with an ampersand so that it gets backgrounded
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: what username are you su'ing to?
[12:22] <ActionParsnip> jackfinn: what does that have to do with rc.local?
[12:22] <vlt> !details | jackmac
[12:22] <vlt> jackmac: sorry
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: what username are you su'ing to?
[12:24] <greek> *bump* Hi. I've got a newly installed Lenovo X230 laptop with Ubuntu Desktop 12.04 LTS. I'd like to install the graphics drivers (currently under System Details under Graphics it says Drivers "unknown"). How do I go about doing this? The graphics card is an Intel HD Graphics 4000.
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> greek: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/intel-release-graphical-installer-for-their-linux-drivers
[12:24] <greek> ActionParsnip, thanks
[12:25] <greek> ActionParsnip, out of interest how did you find that? I've been googling quite a bit but obviously not using the right query
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> greek: seen it before, just something in my head
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> greek: I get the exact link with https://duckduckgo.com/?q=intel+installer+omgubuntu
[12:26] <binyod> ActionParsnip, I was talking to cfhowlett, but he seems to have left now. I still have a problem, if you can help me. following his suggestion, I'd imported the flv file into audacity, and then selected export as mp3. but it is created in an unknown format, not mp3. it is not playable
[12:26] <Paterito> ActionParsnip: ubuntu because I'm running live
[12:26] <greek> ActionParsnip, cool thanks again
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> binyod: do you have liblame installed and so forth?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: you will be logged in as ubuntu by default
[12:26] <binyod> ActionParsnip, oh, I don't know. checking now
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: that is the default username in the liveCD desktop
[12:27] <foofoobar> ActionParsnip, maybe you have an idea for me..
[12:27] <foofoobar>  I had a problem with my wifi connection which dropped the connection from time to time.
[12:27] <binyod> ActionParsnip, when I tried to install liblame, it says "Unable to locate package liblame"
[12:27] <foofoobar> Your patch fixed it However I noticed something strange: I still have connection problems.. Not connection drops, but it "lags" sometimes
[12:28] <foofoobar> like here http://pastebin.com/V4ZK9Uxs
[12:28] <akShri> hi, anyone knows about any widget for thunderbird mail
[12:28] <hatchetjack> in ubuntu 13.10 trying to start any program i get 'cannot allocate memory'
[12:29] <hatchetjack> any idea what that's about?  I'm swapping also looks like.  I've got 16 GB of ram.
[12:29] <hatchetjack> never swapped before
[12:29] <Paterito> ActionParsnip: I know so why can't I use su and let me admin the file without having to type sudo
[12:31] <Guest70671> Hi there. I downloaded Ubuntu 12.04 LTS iso file, which has 707MB of size. Is there a site I can download this release in a CD size, just under 700MB?
[12:33] <greek> ActionParsnip, the latest version of that installer is here - https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intelr-linux-graphics-installer-version-1.0.2 - but that's for Ubuntu 13.04. I'm running ubuntu 12.04 LTS, and the best I found is this - https://01.org/linuxgraphics/downloads/2013/intel-linux-graphics-installer - am I on the right track? Why is it called 12.04-downgrade.tar?
[12:33] <iceroot> !minimal | Guest70671
[12:36] <hatchetjack> ggrrr cannot allocate memory
[12:36] <hatchetjack> great
[12:38] <skande> n
[12:38] <Paterito> Ñandu
[12:39] <DLange> After Lubuntu 13.03 -> 13.10 upgrade I get: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Operation not permitted   when I click the shutdown option to power off the machine, same as Issue 1 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182546&p=12823528 . Any ideas?
[12:40] <greek> ActionParsnip, ok no worries turns out I can apt-get install intel-linux-graphics-installer :)
[12:40] <greek> ActionParsnip, thanks for the tip! Cheers
[12:41] <binyod> I have only terminal open (no synaptic, no update manager) but still get the message "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[12:41] <Guest70671> Thanks ubottu (and greek). I'll try the mini.iso... have a great day
[12:43] <hatchetjack> so gnome-shell had 85% of my memory
[12:43] <hatchetjack> chewin on it
[12:43] <Paterito> anybody... does the ext3 file system supports ñ
[12:43] <hatchetjack> not good
[12:45] <stevecoh1> after upgrade to 13.04, many problems.  First one is that GRUB boot screen is way off to the left so I can't read it.  Is there a way to fix this?
[12:45] <Hawkerz> gartral, did you reboot yet?
[12:46] <jonaskul> Any Vaio Pro users?
[12:47] <vlt> Paterito: In file names? Yes.
[12:47] <vlt> !anyone | jonaskul
[12:54] <mathias1> hi everyone! I am not sure weather this is the right place or not. Do I get ubuntu support here? My system is broken since last update and I am running on a live version...
[12:54] <jpds> mathias1: Yes.
[12:55] <mathias1> So I simply write the issue into this channel?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> mathias1. describe your conditions , what happens etc
[12:56] <BluesKaj> broken doesn't tell us anything
[12:57] <Paterito> anybody knows if the ext3 file system supports ñ
[12:57] <b0x> ITS BROKE  \o/
[12:58] <b0x> only joking, ubuntu is awesome.
[12:58] <b0x> mathias1: i had to resetup a few things after the update to 13.10
[12:58] <b0x> but fine after
[12:59] <Pici> Paterito: Are you asking if ext3 supports multibyte characters in filenames?
[12:59] <mathias1> ubuntu supposed a distro update to me. I accepted and assume the download was complete, like I suppose the update progress was complete as well. I accedently closed the notebook lit and my system went into standby (my standard procedure in the evening). after doing this I realised the update again. Nxt time I used the laptop the updater window was broken and I killed it with xkill. Bad idea I guess? I thought about apt-get update/upgrade but
[12:59] <Pici> Paterito: if so, the answer is yes.
[13:00] <mathias1> the bootloader works but it says something about not able to mount.. I can not give you the exact error now.. but I have my sda1 mounted after starting...
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[13:04] <Deithrian> Hello! I just did "sudo apt-get install p11-kit:i386" and I received the following in terminal "Removing xubuntu-desktop ... Removing software-center ... removing oneconf ... Removing ubuntu-sso-client ..." and so on.
[13:04] <Deithrian> Did that thing just removed my desktop and if I restart it will be gone?!
[13:05] <Deithrian> Anyone?
[13:06] <Deithrian> Can someone tell me how an INSTALL command REMOVES my desktop and software center ?!
[13:07] <osubuntu> Deithrian, try UCS, apt-get, aptitude or sth like that
[13:07] <osubuntu> UCS is based on GUI
[13:08] <Deithrian> No command 'ucs' found, did you mean:
[13:08] <mathias1> Did anyone read my problem and is thinking about it?
[13:08] <Deithrian> So it did remove software center and xubuntu... wow
[13:09] <binyod>  I have only terminal open (no synaptic, no update manager) but still get the message "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[13:09] <lotuspsychje> mathias1: re-ask your question in chat once in a while, at other times someone might solve
[13:10] <mathias1> lotuspsychje: it is not just a plain question I can reask once in a while. It is a whole problem that needs a bit more of attention..
[13:10] <Deithrian> I will write this as a note for my future self whenever I  think of touching Linux again ^^
[13:10] <Deithrian> holy shit
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> mathias1: try to compact your issue to the base first
[13:11] <mathias1> lotuspsychje: I would love to. But I can not do this as I do not know how to describle the problem more specificly. It is: My system does not boot anymore ...
[13:11] <Hawkerz> mathias1, what is the actual error message you are seeing
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> !details | mathias1
[13:12] <mathias1> I can not tell you because I am on the machine at this right moment via a live ubuntu.
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> mathias1: what did you try, before it all went wrong?
[13:12] <Hawkerz> mathias1, sounds like you need to mount the root filesystem and chroot into it, finish your updates and reboot
[13:13] <mathias1> lotuspsychje: I said to the distro upgrader: YES do it baby. Two hours later > reboot > no system anymore.
[13:13] <mathias1> Hawkerz: I did chroot into it but tell me how to finish updates.
[13:13] <Hawkerz> mathias1, does that mean that you pressed the power button and the light did not come on?
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> mathias1: you upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10?
[13:14] <mathias1> lotuspsychje: yes
[13:14] <Hawkerz> mathias1, or did you get to grub? or to the login screen?
[13:14] <mathias1> Hawkerz: I do not understand your queston. grub is working and i will get a shell
[13:14] <Hawkerz> well you said you had no system, but you did not supply any further details
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> mathias1: what happens after grub load?
[13:14] <mathias1> I chrooted into the system. tell me how to fix it and i will tell you the error messages i get
[13:15] <Hawkerz> mathias1, do you understand why it might be helpful to have some idea of what is broken before we start telling you how to fix it?
[13:15] <mathias1> error message that i can not tell right now and a shell.. something about mounting something.. i dont know why it says this cuz my sda1 is mounted...
[13:15] <bjsnider> can someone with unity open an image please?
[13:16] <Hawkerz> mathias1, we do not need the specific error messages, but perhaps you have some vague idea of how far along in the boot process you made it before things went bad
[13:16] <mathias1> Hawkerz: yes.. I understand. but i can not tell you want is broken. and what I said know I already said before.
[13:16] <Hawkerz> mathias1, nobody is asking you to state definitively what is broken. I asked you if you made it to grub, and then if you made it past that
[13:17] <m1chael> i have some iso files i need to burn. they various sizes of the iso files are: 7.7gb, 7.3gb, 6.1gb, 7.7gb... i cannot burn these to the 4.7gb dvds i've got... do they make larger capacity dvds?
[13:17] <Hawkerz> mathias1, I and most others are not going to be very willing to help you if the only thing you can say about it is that your system is broken
[13:17] <mathias1> Hawkerz: grub is working and a can choose a kernel to boot. but i can not tell you how far the process went as ubuntu omits all output by standard
[13:17] <Hawkerz> ok
[13:17] <Hawkerz> (you can override that by hitting escape)
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> m1chael: yes, but thats not really an ubuntu question right
[13:18] <m1chael> right, sorry. taking my question elsewhere.
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> m1chael: try ##hardware mate
[13:18] <Hawkerz> mathias1, did you try booting into the recovery disk
[13:18] <mathias1> i can tell you that i tried "sudo apt-get -f install" on the chrooted system and that it stops due to tooo many errors
[13:18] <Hawkerz> that's helpful !
[13:19] <whoever> mathias1: you shouled not need  -f for that
[13:19] <mathias1> Hawkerz: how? i said: i chrooted into the system and i can not fix it. please tell me what i should write into the shell and i will give you the errors i will get.
[13:19] <Hawkerz> mathias1, sudo do-release upgrade
[13:19] <Hawkerz> er
[13:19] <Hawkerz> do-release-upgrade that is
[13:20] <graingert> do you know where the +mac version of 13.10 is?
[13:20] <graingert> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/13.10/release/
[13:20] <graingert> only has ARM and powerpc?
[13:20] <mathias1> it does nothing as it tells me i run the latest version
[13:20] <osubuntu> is 12.10 (quantal) stable?
[13:20] <tkooger> Morning everyone
[13:20] <graingert> osubuntu: yes
[13:20] <mathias1> Hawkerz: it does nothing as it tells me i run the latest version
[13:20] <osubuntu> graingert, but there is not much doc about 12.10 :|
[13:21] <Hawkerz> mathias1, sudo apt-get install pastebinit && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | pastebinit
[13:21] <mathias1> Hawkerz: my output is german. still ok/
[13:21] <Hawkerz> sure
[13:21] <lotuspsychje> !12.10 | osubuntu
[13:21] <Hawkerz> i mean, I can't read german that well, but I'm sure we can figure it out
[13:21] <tkooger> I Just upgraded to 13.10 from 13.4 and I had some custome mounts in my fstab, these no longer work however I can connect to the server through nautilus has anyone seen an issue like this before?
[13:22] <Hawkerz> tkooger, are they samba mounts?
[13:22] <tkooger> yes
[13:22] <osubuntu> Oh i got it
[13:22] <mathias1> i can not resolve http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy/main pastebinit all 1.3-4ubuntu1
[13:22] <mathias1>   »archive.ubuntu.com«
[13:22] <Hawkerz> hmmmmmm
[13:22] <Paterito> hello I'm trying to mount a filesystem ext3 with user priviligies so it can write data to it I want to set the mount folder with write permissions but when I do chmod +w it appears to do only for the root user how to do it for the rest
[13:22] <mathias1> i have no /proc/net/dev .. i can not use ifconfig
[13:22] <Hawkerz> ohhhh, are you not online at all?
[13:23] <mathias1> Hawkerz: seems so
[13:23] <Hawkerz> in the chroot anyway
[13:23] <Hawkerz> ok
[13:24] <mathias1> Hawkerz: i did: sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt   && sudo chroot /mnt
[13:24] <Hawkerz> mathias1, exit the chroot
[13:24] <mathias1> Hawkerz: the hostname is now ubuntu .. maybe this is a problem?
[13:25] <Hawkerz> mathias1, where is your root file system mounted ? I mean where did you mount it
[13:25] <cabral> hi. i'm root and tried to change some permissions but the operation wasn't permitted.
[13:25] <mathias1> Hawkerz: define root file system
[13:25] <Hawkerz> mathias1, the hard disk
[13:25] <Hawkerz> that you then chrooted into
[13:25] <Hawkerz> is mounted where, relative to the livecd filesystem
[13:26] <mathias1> Hawkerz: i allready told you?  mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[13:26] <Hawkerz> ok
[13:26] <Hawkerz> mathias1, sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[13:27] <mathias1> Hawkerz: btw: thanks for your time and help
[13:27] <Hawkerz> then chroot /mnt
[13:27] <mathias1> Hawkerz: awesome! thanks!
[13:27] <Hawkerz> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -f install
[13:28] <mathias1> Hawkerz: can i try a sudo apt-get update and so on now?
[13:28] <mathias1> Hawkerz: okkeee
[13:28] <Hawkerz> mathias1, yeah, and uh
[13:28] <Hawkerz> you may have to do sudo dpkg --configure -a
[13:28] <mathias1> Hawkerz: still can not resolve links
[13:28] <Hawkerz> hmmm
[13:28] <Hawkerz> nslookup google.de ?
[13:28] <mathias1> Hawkerz: already tried -f install and --configure-a before.. it does not work
[13:29] <Hawkerz> which links can't it resolve? is your chroot not connected or are your sources corrupted
[13:29] <mathias1> Hawkerz: ping 8.8.8.8 works btw.
[13:29] <MARKTIME> can anyone help me mount a windows raid 0 volume?
[13:29] <Hawkerz> maybe ditch the update command, just sudo apt-get -f install
[13:29] <mathias1> Hawkerz: root@ubuntu:/# nslookup google.de
[13:29] <mathias1> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
[13:29] <Hawkerz> ohhh
[13:30] <Hawkerz> sorry, forgot one thing
[13:30] <mathias1> Hawkerz: sudo apt-get -f install  does not work .. it will stop due to too many errors
[13:30] <Hawkerz> from outside of the chroot : cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolf.conf
[13:30] <Hawkerz> then back into it and things should work
[13:31] <MARKTIME> can anyone help me mount a windows raid 0 volume?
[13:31] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, is it hardware or software raid?
[13:31] <Hawkerz> if it's hardware raid, doesn't it just present as a single drive?
[13:31] <fxhp> Hawkerz - that was going to be my first question
[13:31] <MARKTIME> software
[13:32] <Hawkerz> isn't mdadm the linux software raid utility?
[13:32] <MARKTIME> it was hardware but I turned it off in the bios with the understanding that the ubuntu software mdadm would detect it.
[13:32] <fxhp> MARKTIME - NTFS support was just recently added (in the last 5 years of so)
[13:33] <fxhp> MARKTIME - do you want to keep the data
[13:33] <MARKTIME> when I do a dir I can see it and it is named "asr_Backup\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \   control"
[13:33] <fidel> Hawkerz: in short yes- mdadm can be used to create & maintain software-raids
[13:34] <MARKTIME> I found some instructions but the name it shows me is different than the format of the one in the instructions
[13:34] <mathias1> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.11.0-12-generic (x86_64)
[13:34] <mathias1> Consult /var/lib/dkms/i915-3.9-3.8/0.02/build/make.log for more information.
[13:34] <Romance> do i really need a firewall for a casual desktop usage? just browsing net, stream video, and do some libreoffice
[13:34] <Pici> !firewall | Romance ; TL;DR no, you should be fine
[13:34] <Hawkerz> mathias1, that was with -f?
[13:34] <Romance> Pici: danke
[13:35] <Paterito> how can I mount a filesystem with user write priviligies? I changed the bits on the folder in /media to allow write access to users but when I mount something it still wont' let me write anything
[13:35] <mathias1> Hawkerz: yes... I just wanted to tell the chat the msg
[13:35] <mathias1> Hawkerz: -f install still running..
[13:35] <Hawkerz> oh
[13:35] <Hawkerz> if you have more issues just pastebin the error logs
[13:36] <mathias1> Hawkerz: I will do. Thanks a lot for the help so far!
[13:36] <Hawkerz> no problem
[13:36] <MARKTIME> fx-hp yes I want to keep the data
[13:36] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: how did you mount the file system and what format is it?
[13:36] <foofoobar> When I unplug my A/C, I have WLAN lags.  (I'm using a notebook)
[13:36] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, if you had a perfectly good hardware raid configuration why would you want to give it to ubuntu ?
[13:36] <foofoobar> What can be a cause of this?
[13:36] <MARKTIME> I haven't managed to get it to mount and it is ntfs
[13:36] <Hawkerz> doesn't hardware raid present the same as a signle disk to the os?
[13:36] <Paterito> sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda5 /media/data
[13:37] <Paterito> the data folder has write access to users
[13:37] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, power management utilities
[13:37] <MARKTIME> Hawkerz because windows recognizes it as a blank volume that needs to be initialized
[13:37] <fidel> the "maybe" advantage of a linux sw-raid might be that you can still use it in another box - even if your former raid-controller is broken
[13:37] <Paterito> ActionParsnip: I tried -o users with no avail
[13:37] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, when your laptop loses a/c power, it starts trying to preserve battery
[13:38] <MARKTIME> RAID shows healthy in controller.  i only need it long enough to copy off dat
[13:38] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, which means it cuts power to everything it can (pm-powersave I think is the relevant software)
[13:39] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, okay, I will google pm-powersave
[13:39] <foofoobar> thanks
[13:39] <BenyaminL> hello, i need help, why my vdi VM that i make in linux can't run on windows? anyone can help me, i need my vdi work on windows, thx, i run on ubuntu 13.04
[13:39] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, of course it shows healthy in the controller, but you just said you turned off hardware raid to present the disks to linux with the hope that you would then be able to operate on the filesystem safely?
[13:39] <MARKTIME> Yes, I just said that to indicate that the drives were physically ok.  Windows sees a single volume but says it needs to initialize
[13:39] <mikolaj> I have something like this: '>\xd7s\xb9\x9aXk'
[13:40] <mikolaj> but its turning into mumbo jumbo in python
[13:40] <mathias1> Hawkerz: again: THANKS A LOT! I will dare a reboot now
[13:40] <Hawkerz> good luck
[13:40] <mikolaj> how can I keep it in the original form
[13:40] <mathias1> :)
[13:40] <Pici> mikolaj: Please use #python for Python questions
[13:40] <mikolaj> ok sory
[13:41] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, here is what I am hearing you say, and it makes no sense so maybe I'm wrong. You had 2 drives in hardware raid for windows, with a bunch of stuff on them.  Something went wrong, and now you have taken them out of hardware raid and are attempting to create a software raid array in linux to get the bits off those drives?
[13:42] <Hawkerz> I don't understand why you can't just leave the drives in the HW raid when you use ubuntu
[13:43] <Pici> wii mikolaj
[13:43] <Pici> oops
[13:43] <MARKTIME> Hawkers, yes.  The boot drive on the system failed (NOT the RAID0) and I replaced it and reloaded it with windows.  Now windows can see the volume in disk manager but things it needs to initialize.  I am hoping ubuntu can view the raid using its software controller and let me get data off.
[13:43] <Hawkerz> ohhhh
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: was it in this system before?
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> Paterito: is it a pure user data partition?
[13:44] <MARKTIME> Ubuntu does not currently show it as a drive in home folder.
[13:44] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, why don't you just boot with a livecd on the system where you can keep the drives in hw raid
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> !raid | MARKTIME
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> MARKTIME: may show how to create teh array.
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> MARKTIME: is this a data redcovery operation?
[13:44] <MARKTIME> ActionParsnip yes it is
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> MARKTIME: why is there not a backup of the data?
[13:45] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, cat /proc/partitions and tell me what it says
[13:46] <MARKTIME> there is but it is cloud based and gonna take another day to get here and we need it today.  Also the very latest data did not get a chance to backup between close of business and failure of boot drive.
[13:46] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, cat /proc/partitions and tell me what it says
[13:46] <Hawkerz> woops
[13:46] <MARKTIME>    7        0     682132 loop0
[13:46] <MARKTIME>    8        0  244198584 sda
[13:46] <MARKTIME>    8        1  244187968 sda1
[13:46] <MARKTIME>   11        0     712000 sr0
[13:46] <MARKTIME>    8       16  390711384 sdb
[13:46] <FloodBot1> MARKTIME: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:46] <MARKTIME>    8       32  390711384 sdc
[13:47] <MARKTIME> the dm-1 i believe is the one I want to get to
[13:47] <MARKTIME> I am sorry.  Been a while since I used IRC
[13:47] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, paste the output in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[13:47] <b0x> use pastebin
[13:47] <Hawkerz> or sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[13:48] <Hawkerz> !pastebinint | MARKTIME
[13:48] <Hawkerz> !pastebin | MARKTIME
[13:48] <Hawkerz> hmm, typing is falling off
[13:48] <MARKTIME> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289114/
[13:48] <Hawkerz> sdb and sdc i suppose
[13:49] <SIGKILLer> Hello. I am having trouble installing Ubuntu 13.10 x86_64. When I boot up after installation it says something about 'kernel panic: init failed. I have tried installing 13.10 on six different computers now, i get the same error on all of them. Could anyone help me with this?
[13:49] <MARKTIME> Am I unflooded yet?
[13:50] <MARKTIME> hawkers did I send the image correctly?
[13:50] <Paterito> ActionParsnip: don't know what pure user data partition means but no it wasn't on this sytem before well I'm running live ubuntu on the computer that has the hd with the partition is not a usb
[13:50] <BluesKaj> SIGKILLer. seems your instyall media may be corrupted somehow , did you do a md5 sum on the image file ?
[13:51] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, yes, i'm just looking
[13:52] <SIGKILLer> BluesKaj: Yes, I have triple checked the MD5, tried using a good old DVD, using a memory stick og redownloading both Ubuntu and Ubuntu Gnome
[13:52] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, how can I enable pm-powersave only when I want to ?
[13:52] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1776909&p=10910871#post10910871
[13:52] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, you should be able to just disable it's actions on your wireless controllwer
[13:53] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/pm-utils
[13:53] <Hawkerz> have a look at that
[13:53] <SIGKILLer> I tried installing by using 'Install alongside Windows' on two of the computers as well. At the end of the installation it showed an error telling me that Grub could not be installed
[13:55] <BluesKaj> SIGKILLer. do the pcs have windows 8 installed ?
[13:56] <radioiaaneg> hi every one
[13:57] <SIGKILLer> BluesKaj: No, none have Windows 8. Two of them are supposed to dual boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu, the remaining ones are laptops that will be running only Ubuntu.
[13:57] <xperement> hi every two
[13:57] <radioiaaneg> can anybody help me with my usb soundcard in ubuntu studio 13.10 64bit?
[13:58] <radioiaaneg> it should be plug and play but i doesnt work
[13:59] <hillary_> hi all , any one to advice me on a good command refference book on linux
[13:59] <treacherousirc> my desktop screen is all glitched out after yesterdays updates.
[14:00] <treacherousirc> white and dragging lines, blinks white etc
[14:00] <dr0p> hello, has anyone problems with connecting Nexus 4 to Ubuntu 13.10 ? I see empty folder empty window in nautilus. Help :)
[14:01] <Rockcanon> Hello
[14:01] <scott_w> yo, what's a good proxy for linux that i can quickl y set up with authentication?
[14:02] <scott_w> ideally *not* transparent
[14:02] <scott_w> (we're trying to set up a test environment)
[14:02] <genii> scott_w: dansguardian maybe
[14:02] <Rockcanon> Did someone know how VM9 run mac on win7 ?
[14:03] <Paterito> help!
[14:04] <Paterito> I have a file that has a invalid character and I can't rename it or do anything with it how do I rename this?
[14:04] <Pici> Rockcanon: What does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[14:04] <BrixSat> Paterito:  dont ask for help just.... speak it out
[14:04] <BrixSat> Paterito:  is that command line?
[14:04] <Rockcanon> i just guess someone who know about
[14:05] <Paterito> BrixSat: terminal or gui
[14:05] <Rockcanon> do not have anyother means
[14:05] <BrixSat> Paterito:  in terminal what do you write?
[14:05] <Paterito> on gui I have root priviligies but I still can't edit it
[14:05] <Pici> Rockcanon: This channel is only for Ubuntu support, not mac, not windows, Ubuntu. There is ##windows and a plethora of other channels on freenode.
[14:05] <Paterito> sudo rename flash.flv to flashfixedname.flv
[14:05] <Rockcanon> well
[14:05] <CatKiller> Paterito: What's the filename in question?
[14:05] <Rockcanon> thank you
[14:06] <Pici> Paterito: Thats not how the rename command works.
[14:06] <Paterito> CatKiller: there is a question mark on that character I can't reproduce it
[14:06] <Paterito> Pici: rly
[14:06] <CatKiller> Paterito: Open the "terminal", navigate to the directory in question and run "ls -la"
[14:06] <BrixSat> Paterito:  sudo mv flash.flv newflash.fvl
[14:06] <Pici> Paterito: mv filename1 filename2.  Use tab-complete or wildcards if you can't figure out how to type the characters.
[14:08] <Paterito> it works!
[14:08] <Paterito> I can't understnad why rename command won't work
[14:09] <xperement> it always works
[14:09] <Paterito> xperement: I didn't read it's manual :(
[14:09] <genii> Probably because mv (move) is the new "rename"
[14:10] <Paterito> quick question does the ubuntu server supports ñ I know desktop does
[14:15] <ganessh> Hi all
[14:15] <abdullatif> Hi
[14:16] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, so as far as I could see there is a /etc/power.d/wireless file which is a symlink to /usr/lib/tlp-pm/tlp-nop
[14:16] <geirha> Paterito: The rename command in ubuntu uses perl syntax and regular expressions to rename files
[14:16] <foofoobar> Should I remove this file to disable pm support for wireless?
[14:17] <geirha> rename is not a standard command, so it may have very different functionality depending on what system you're on
[14:17] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, does it have anything in it?
[14:17] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, pastebinit /usr/lib/tlp-pm/tlp-nop
[14:17] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, yes: http://pastebin.com/KVT1zPQg
[14:17] <abdullatif> i have a question
[14:18] <abdullatif> 13.10 server installing is command mode?
[14:18] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, all files in /etc/power.d/ link to this file
[14:18] <ganessh>  I am trying to understand how to effectively get the active window detail from unubtu system(preferably using python or java)
[14:18] <foofoobar> there are a few files (wireless, pcie_aspm, usb_bluetooth, etc
[14:19] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, don't delete that
[14:20] <abdullatif> Please answer anyone a my question
[14:20] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, ok
[14:20] <BrixSat> abdullatif:  it is via a graphical text
[14:21] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, so I need to deactive this somewhere else
[14:22] <ganessh> I am trying to understand how to effectively get the active window detail from unubtu system(preferably using python or java). Anybody knows what library can I use?
[14:23] <abdullatif> Thank u BrixSat
[14:23] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, I found this regarding tlp http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-configuration.html#networking
[14:23] <Paterito> geirha: cool
[14:24] <Paterito> I have another problemo
[14:24] <lgp171188> Hi, I just logged into my ubuntu desktop and the user indicator menu where the options like shutdown logout etc are all there is missing. How to fix it?
[14:24] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, I changed this in my /etc/default/tlp file now, I will reboot and test this now :)
[14:24] <abdullatif> how to installing 13.10 server graphical text mode?
[14:24] <Paterito> I want to mount a fs making a specified user as the owner so I do sudo mount -t ext3 -o nosuid,uid=999,gid=999 /dev/sda5 /media/data/ 999 is my uid and gid but it gives me an error why
[14:25] <kostkon> !info python-wnck | ganessh
[14:25] <BrixSat> abdullatif: next time ask and wait ;) dont rush!
[14:25] <demophobia> Hello, would you please help me with my problem described at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2183048&p=12825589#post12825589 ?
[14:25] <abdullatif> Okey
[14:25] <abdullatif> Sorry
[14:25] <geirha> Paterito: That's how you do it for fat and ntfs, not ext3. With ext3, you mount it as usual, then chown the mount point.
[14:26] <kostkon> demophobia, 6.06? seriously?
[14:26] <BrixSat> demophobia:  please use ubuntu 12.04 for a long term support version or the lattest 13.10
[14:26] <geirha> Paterito: sudo chown 999:999 /media/data  # after it has been mounted
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> demophobia: are there any bugs reported?
[14:26] <Paterito> I chown the mount point before mouting the fs
[14:26] <demophobia> kostkon: Yes, my 9.04 got corrupted
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> geirha: why 999 ?
[14:26] <Paterito> that's my uid
[14:26] <geirha> Paterito: You can also use the username and groupname instead of the uid and gid
[14:26] <demophobia> BrixSat: How can I? I say near the end: "I have not been able to use the latest Ubuntu software for two reasons: One version of Ubuntu 12.04.2 Desktop tells me the hardware is incompatible with the kernel, if I recall the boot-up error message correctly. So I try downloading the 32-bit version (assuming I accidentally got the 64-bit version), thinking perhaps that is compatible with this hardware, but I cannot burn it to disc: It is larger than 700
[14:26] <demophobia> have access to a CD-R/CD-RW drive, so I can't burn it to a DVD-R."
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> ahhh
[14:27] <Paterito> ActionParsnip: is a long story
[14:27] <BrixSat> demophobia:  you can use a pen :=
[14:27] <Hawkerz> Paterito, how did you get a uid of 999?
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> demophobia: tried Lubuntu? its great for low end systems, or people wh like a snappy desktop
[14:27] <demophobia> ActionParsnip: I don't know how to check that. BrixSat What do you mean a pen?
[14:27] <Paterito> Hawkerz: running live
[14:27] <Hawkerz> oh
[14:28] <BrixSat> demophobia:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[14:28] <demophobia> ActionParsnip: I'll look into it, thanks ... I guess I'm afraid to try new things and was wanting to get what I'd used before to work again ...
[14:28] <ganessh> Thanks kostkon and ubottu
[14:28] <geirha> Paterito: Changing ownership on the mount point before mounting anything there will have no effect
[14:29] <demophobia> BrixSat: Doesn't booting from a USB stick mean it can _only_ be used for that purpose, i.e. it can no longer be used to store other files?
[14:29] <Hawkerz> demophobia, no
[14:31] <BrixSat> demophobia:  lol dont you add files and remove them? Why would use it as a "cd" make it unusable again?
[14:33] <Paterito> geirha: right~!
[14:33] <p1l0t> Does anybody happen to know where Apache2 keeps apxs by default?
[14:34] <BrixSat> p1l0t: apxs? what is that
[14:34] <rt_91> i have installed Ubuntu on a Xen VM When i Access its console using xm console vmname then it shows only the debug messages etc no the terminal itself. How can i have terminal in that console?
[14:34] <BrixSat> rt_91:  that is a xen config problem not a ubuntu prob.
[14:34] <demophobia> BrixSat: Well, what I meant was -- I understand a flash drive can be reformatted, unlike burning a disc, but my impression was that if using a USB drive to boot from, that it could _only_ be used for that purpose, that to store files on it, it would have to be reformatted again.
[14:35] <p1l0t> BrixSat: the Apache extension tool
[14:35] <mdnight> hi guys. My friend has no money for a new disk.So i am planning to make a ubuntu usb. She just using facebook so i think its a cheap solution. But i dont know if she can play facebook games that need to download some files locally. Does anyone know if this thing is possible?
[14:35] <BrixSat> demophobia:   i have a 8gb flash drive that i use to boot ubuntu, and i also have there a movie and some personal pics :)
[14:35] <BrixSat> p1l0t: /etc/apache2/
[14:36] <rt_91> BrixSat: Yeah I know didnt get any reply on xen i thought some one here could help since it is general linux question
[14:36] <BrixSat> mdnight: just have a nice usb disk with space and alocate it
[14:36] <mdnight> BrixSat, how much space can i allocate with unetbootin?
[14:37] <BrixSat> rt_91:  it is not a general linux question ;) its a xen specific. I would say you are using a minial ubuntu ovz template.
[14:37] <BrixSat> mdnight:  the rest ubuntu leaves :p
[14:37] <mdnight> BrixSat, ok thank you
[14:37] <geirha> Paterito: In fact, you might want to change ownership to root and make it read only on the "pre-mounted" mount-point.  That way you won't accidentally copy a bunch of files to it only to realize later that you forgot to mount it first.
[14:37] <rt_91> BrixSat: then what do i do?
[14:37] <p1l0t> BrixSat: I don't see it in there
[14:38] <rt_91> BrixSat: Please Help
[14:38] <geirha> Paterito: err, "pre-mounted" was a bad term. "unmounted"
[14:38] <Paterito> geirha: you're right I get it
[14:38] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: have you installed apache2-dev ?
[14:39] <BrixSat> rt_91:  use the consolse on the baremetal and access the ubuntu console. or use via ssh ;)
[14:39] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: negative do I need to?
[14:39] <godzirra> Morning.
[14:39] <charl_> i am experiencing an extremely strange problem with the new ubuntu 13.10 amd64 - tested after an upgrade of a server previously running 13.04 and on a desktop clean install
[14:39] <charl_> random high-numbered tcp ports appear as open on a local nmap scan of the ip attached to eth0 and they keep changing but netstat -tulpen shows nothing unusual
[14:39] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: apxs is part of the dev tools, so yes
[14:39] <charl_> here's an example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289352/
[14:40] <charl_> this never used to happen under 13.04 - does anyone happen to know what's going on?
[14:40] <demophobia> Oh, ok, thanks, everyone. I think it would be good for me to try Lubuntu, since this computer is eight years old and does seem a little slow already with 6.06 ubuntu
[14:40] <godzirra> apt-get dist-upgrade should upgrade me from 12.04?  Just trying to make sure I'm doing things right before I give up on my company imaged laptop. :)
[14:41] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: Thing is I installed mod_wsgi but its by default 3.3 when I have python2.7 installed. It actually works great except that none of my .egg links work. So do I have to compile mod_wsgi with 2.7 or is there an easier was to call my editable packages?
[14:44] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: mod_wsgi should not matter on the python version ... how did you install it?
[14:44] <pepigno75> hi, i have problem with nautilus. when i open Home nautilus crash . i launch by terminal and have this error : http://pastebin.com/HuASvypH
[14:45] <pepigno75> if i open other folder it works
[14:45] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: sudo apt-get install libapace2-mod-wsgi or something like that
[14:46] <hitsujiTMO> pepigno75: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1203349
[14:48] <hitsujiTMO> pepigno75: looks like something in that folder has an extension but some invalid marker
[14:48] <pepigno75> hitsujiTMO, i don't know.. how can try this file?
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> pepigno75: whats the output of: ls ~
[14:50] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: that's the correct way ... i would assume the issue is with the framework config rather than mod_wsgi
[14:50] <pepigno75> i have some jpg " IMG-20131022-WA0000.jpg.part"
[14:50] <hitsujiTMO> pepigno75: delete it or move it to folder that isn't indexed by nautilus
[14:51] <genii> Looks like an interrupted download. Maybe it's corrupt
[14:51] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: I'm not using a framework but the script imports the modules fine from the CLi just not when it's called through the browser.
[14:51] <Guest9592> hello
[14:51] <Guest9592> how do i install libreoffice in full?
[14:51] <Guest9592> I did sudo apt-getinstall libreoffice
[14:51] <Guest9592> but for some reason i only have libreoffice calc
[14:52] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: ImportError: No module named test123 is what it says but it imports fine from the command line
[14:53] <Hawkerz> foofoobar, did that help
[14:53] <jpds> p1l0t: Then your sys.path is broken somewhere.
[14:53] <Guest9592> ubuntu
[14:53] <Guest9592> help
[14:53] <Guest9592> how do i fix my libreoffice situation
[14:54] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: what is your wsgi config for that app?
[14:55] <foofoobar> Hawkerz, yes :)
[14:55] <foofoobar> I think that fixed it, great
[14:55] <foofoobar> thank you
[14:55] <Hawkerz> np
[14:56] <hitsujiTMO> Guest9592: open the terminal and type: libreoffice --writer       what happens?
[14:56] <Hawkerz> had that problem plenty of times myself
[14:56] <Guest9592> nevermind
[14:56] <Guest9592> i fixed it
[14:56] <hitsujiTMO> :)
[14:56] <pepigno75> hitsujiTMO, thanks... i remove 4 jpg with estension.... i don' remember how and when i put this jpg in home
[14:56] <pepigno75> now works
[14:57] <hitsujiTMO> pepigno75: hopefully that bug will be fixed soon enough ... seems rather nasty
[14:57] <chro> hi
[14:57] <bluechaos> hello
[14:57] <p1l0t> jpds: hitsujiTMO: I have a file called web.py that as one line basically that is import test123 which prints a single line. It works fine if I type python web.py. but when I goto mysite/cgi-bin it throws the error ImportError: No module named test123.
[14:57] <chro> how can I upgrade my ubuntu for the 13.10 version?
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: you should need to specify the application root for wsgi ... otherwise it may be looking in the wrong place for modules
[14:59] <Paterito> anybody knows a good irc program for ubuntu server?
[14:59] <Hawkerz> Paterito, a good irc server?
[14:59] <Hawkerz> or a good client to run from the terminal
[14:59] <jose> !best
[15:00] <Paterito> Hawkerz: no a good irc client for ubuntu server
[15:00] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: Right but if I move that it can't find any of the normal python stuff because my .egg links are in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages but none of the other factor python modules are there
[15:00] <hitsujiTMO> Paterito: irrsi and weechat seem to be the most popular ... "best" is subjective
[15:00] <Hawkerz> Paterito, there are many -- irssi, weechat
[15:00] <Hawkerz> well, 2/2 #ubuntu users think it's irssi or weechat, so there you go
[15:00] <Paterito> for terminals?
[15:01] <Hawkerz> yes
[15:01] <Paterito> I installed smuxi on server 13.10 but it couldn't load
[15:01] <binyod> hello everyone, I'm trying to convert a .flv file into mp3 on audacity: to do that, I open the file and then export it as mp3. but the resulting file is shown as unknown type and cannot be played. I was suggested to install "lame" earlier, and I did it now, but it's still the same.
[15:02] <Paterito> good thanks
[15:05] <hitsujiTMO> p1l0t: i'm unsure how to advise you at this point as I only use virtual envs and have no experience with add stuff to the gloval dist-packages folder... hopefully someone else will be able to help you
[15:05] <LPhas> Hi, quick question: i just upgraded to ubuntu 13.10 and now when i log in and at random intervals i'm been asked for a password to add to keyring. A password FOR WHAT for #@%@ sake?
[15:07] <p1l0t> hitsujiTMO: thanks for your help anyway
[15:07] <kostkon> LPhas, rae you using chrome?
[15:07] <LPhas> kostkon, yep
[15:07] <kostkon> LPhas, there is the culprit
[15:08] <LPhas> kostkon, i'm using chromium not chrome, sorry.
[15:08] <kostkon> LPhas, it's asking you to unlock the keyring and get the credentials for your sites
[15:08] <LPhas> kostkon, and i'm logged in in chromium and it doesn't accept my google credentials anyway
[15:08] <n3xjn> .part
[15:09] <jack01111> Hi am i correct to say that I will not be able to update from 13.10 to 14.04 by the time 14.04 is being release?
[15:09] <kostkon> LPhas, check in its settings
[15:09] <hitsujiTMO> jack01111: no
[15:09] <LPhas> kostkon, for what?
[15:09] <kostkon> LPhas, also search for "keys" in the dash, open the passwords and keys app and you'll be able to see all the credentials that are saved in your keuring
[15:10] <LPhas> kostkon, ok
[15:11] <kostkon> LPhas, maybe some option in chromium's settings to disable/alter the way it stores your credentials
[15:11] <LPhas> but chrome seems to be able to access my credentials
[15:11] <LPhas> event it the "login" fails
[15:11] <kostkon> LPhas, chrome or chromium?
[15:12] <LPhas> chromium
[15:12] <LPhas> chrome is not installed
[15:12] <kostkon> LPhas, maybe for some, not for others
[15:12] <LPhas> weird
 , i can? I thought its lts to lts?
[15:13] <hitsujiTMO> jack01111: no ... you can upgrade interim to lts
[15:13] <dosequis> hey all I am having some networking issues here. Basically installed ubuntu on usb hdd. I can boot into the system but the ethernet does not seem to work. I have setup a static IP with same config as other server, but for some reason I cannot ping the network. Anyone have time to help me out?
[15:13] <Pici> jack01111: You can always upgrade from one release to the next immediate one.
[15:14] <jack01111> that be sudo apt-get release-upgrade?
[15:14] <dosequis> when I try to ping the network i get destination host unreachable
[15:14] <Hawkerz> jack01111, sudo apt-get do-release-upgrade
[15:14] <Pici> jack01111: do-release-upgrade
[15:14] <luigimaesano> hello
[15:14] <Hawkerz> er
[15:14] <Hawkerz> sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:14] <Hawkerz> not apt-get
[15:14] <MariuszPam> lol
[15:15] <jack01111> thanks
[15:15] <hitsujiTMO> dosequis: can you post the output of: ifconfig
[15:15] <luigimaesano> just updated to 13.10. Clicking on the watch (up right of the screen) it is shown a calendar but not my thunderbird meetings
[15:15] <Hawkerz> dosequis, is the other end of your ethernet cable plugged in? :p
[15:15] <dosequis> hitsujiTMO: sure - what's the best way since that server is not web connected
[15:15] <dosequis> Hawkerz: hah yes it is
[15:15] <dosequis> I have an ip address and all
[15:16] <hitsujiTMO> dosequis: a shot with a camera/phone will even do
[15:16] <dosequis> hitsujiTMO: ok one second
[15:16] <Hawkerz> dosequis, just tell us ip, subnet, gateway, and that works too
[15:17] <dosequis> Hawkerz: ok well the interface name is p7p1, bcast 10.20.201.255 mask 255.255.255.0 addr 10.20.201.218
[15:17] <dosequis> UP BROADCAST MULTICAST
[15:17] <dosequis> rx and tx at 0 with interrupt at 19
[15:18] <Hawkerz> so it's not actually connected to anything
[15:18] <Hawkerz> are you on a machine that is on the same local network as the machine you are trying to configure?
[15:18] <dosequis> yes I am
[15:18] <Hawkerz> dosequis, are you on linux as well?
[15:19] <dosequis> Hawkerz: yes
[15:19] <dosequis> ubuntu 13.04 server
[15:19] <Hawkerz> dosequis, basically give us your own output from ifconfig -- easiest way is if you sudo apt-get install pastebinit && ifconfig | pastebinit
[15:19] <dosequis> Hawkerz: ok one sec
[15:21] <Pici> Hawkerz: how is apt-get going to work if they don't have an internet connection?
[15:21] <martinb> Anybody know of a method of formatting a usb stick to be bootable from aluminium imac. Without using AppleOS?
[15:21] <dosequis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289546/
[15:21] <dosequis> that is for another machine on same network that is currently working
[15:21] <Hawkerz> Pici, he has an internet connection on the machine I asked him to run this on
[15:21] <reisio> martinb: what would you be using?
[15:21] <Pici> Hawkerz: oops! nevermind!
[15:22] <martinb> reisi: ubuntu on said mac (no macos)
[15:22] <Hawkerz> dosequis, the other machine doesn't have an eth0 interface?
[15:22] <martinb> I need to reinstall
[15:22] <dosequis> now the new machine is not the same kind of machine. it's a hp thin client that is running ubuuntu off an usb hdd
[15:22] <reisio> martinb: why's that
[15:22] <dosequis> no it has p7p1
[15:22] <Hawkerz> oh
[15:22] <reisio> martinb: you should be able to just dd it to the usb stick device, just be careful
[15:22] <FourFire> Hello, I am about to create a USB bootable for the purpose of booting from it and repartitioning my main drive
[15:22] <martinb> I need to reformat partitions, etc.
[15:22] <reisio> martinb: why?
[15:22] <reisio> FourFire: i
[15:22] <dosequis> and actually i do have another thin client that is working
[15:22] <reisio> FourFire: hi, even
[15:22] <dosequis> but the hd is only 2gb
[15:22] <dosequis> so that's why I am trying to run off usb hdd
[15:22] <martinb> 4 partitions taking up space
[15:23] <domo__> hello everyone
[15:23] <dosequis> but this time around no internet connection
[15:23] <dosequis> i am trying with same settings as on other thin client
[15:23] <FourFire> my drive is a bit old, but I want to keep using it  for a little while, is it possible to get it to automatically resize, ignoring bad sectors?
[15:23] <domo__> am I in the right channel to ask for some specific help?
[15:23] <martinb> need only 2 on here. I don't want to have to find/burn a cd, as I have a broken ankle & cannot move around much. I am having issues getting the mac to see the usb drive on boot
[15:23] <Hawkerz> dosequis, and you can't ping it?
[15:23] <genii> !details | domo__
[15:23] <dosequis> Hawkerz: no pinging doesn't work
[15:24] <domo__> !details
[15:24] <Hawkerz> hmmk
[15:24] <dosequis> if I do ip link is says state DOWN
[15:24] <Hawkerz> dosequis, hostname -A
[15:24] <Thalheim> is there anyone I can contact regarding the ubuntu paste site?
[15:24] <dosequis> Hawkerz: blank
[15:25] <Hawkerz> dosequis, and hostname -a ?
[15:25] <Hawkerz> and then on your machine as well
[15:25] <martinb> reisio: Any suggestions?
[15:25] <dosequis> Hawkerz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6289571/ here is the ifconfig from the other identical thin client that is working
[15:26] <hitsujiTMO> Thalheim: maybe #ubuntu-website
[15:26] <dosequis> diff i can see is RUNNING
[15:26] <genii> Thalheim: Someone in #canonical-sysadmin may be able to assist, if it concerns private info that may be there or a similar issue.
[15:26] <reisio> martinb: what sort of issues
[15:26] <domo__> Ok, my problem is the following: some time ago I tried to install packages manually (libssl1.0.0_1.0.1e-3_i386, libssl1.0.0_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10_amd64) in order to get some program running (i think it was EAGLE). I seem to have broken some dependencies in the packages. my system is now unable to update anything via apt-get, or even remove or install something. apt-get -f install does not work, also package repair in ubuntu rescue-mode does not resolve the problem
[15:26] <domo__> . i will paste the relevant error messages in a second
[15:27] <FourFire> so is there anything that I can do in regards to that
[15:27] <Hawkerz> dosequis, compare /etc/network/interfaces
[15:27] <domo__> when i try to apt-get upgrade: Die folgenden Pakete haben unerfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
[15:27] <domo__>  libssl1.0.0 : Beschädigt: libssl1.0.0:i386 (!= 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10) aber 1.0.1e-3 ist installiert
[15:27] <domo__>  libssl1.0.0:i386 : Beschädigt: libssl1.0.0 (!= 1.0.1e-3) aber 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.10 ist installiert
[15:28] <domo__> thats german for unresolved dependencies..
[15:28] <Thalheim> hitsujiTMO, genii : thank you
[15:28] <TomyWork> domo__, you mean "Broken"
[15:28] <martinb> reisio: It doesn't see the usb stick if I hold alt(option) down on boot. Just the MBR scheme. This mac has a non-mac drive in it, if that helps
[15:29] <reisio> not sure there is such a thing as a mac drive, but that's irrelevant, uh...
[15:29] <domo__> yes, broken. youre right
[15:29] <reisio> martinb: what'd you install from before?
[15:29] <martinb> reisio: You buy a replacement drive from apple, it comes pre-formatted. If you don't, then you're hosed putting osx back on. This is only mbr formatted
[15:30] <hitsujiTMO> domo__: did you install any ppas?
[15:30] <martinb> Installed from CD previously
[15:30] <domo__> i don't know how to resolve this problem. is there some way to manually remove the packages or whatever is wrong in my system?
[15:30] <FourFire> ok first of all: what type of space should I format my drive to?
[15:30] <martinb> reisio: Just found some blank DVD's. I'll try to boot from one of them :)
[15:30] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, i think i did with the mentioned packages: libssl1.0.0
[15:30] <FourFire> (I'm going to make a bootable from it)
[15:30] <dosequis> Hawkerz: identical - i copied it - only diff is i added dns-nameservers because I thought that was the issue initially
[15:30] <reisio> FourFire: yeah it's called... badblocks
[15:30] <hitsujiTMO> !ppa-purge | domo__
[15:31] <reisio> FourFire: but getting a new drive would be simpler :)
[15:31] <martinb> Although a link to a nice howto for making mac-bootable usb sticks from Linux would be appreciated )
[15:31] <FourFire> is NFTS fine?
[15:31] <reisio> martinb: :)
[15:31] <reisio> martinb: you can use unetbootin
[15:31] <domo__> ubottu, hitsujiTMO, thanks i will try that
[15:31] <reisio> FourFire: for... installing Ubuntu onto?
[15:31] <Hawkerz> dosequis, they are both configured to get static ips?
[15:31] <FourFire> yes
[15:31] <reisio> FourFire: nope
[15:31] <FourFire> what then?
[15:31] <Hawkerz> dosequis, and they are both configured with the same nameservers? cat /etc/resolv.conf
[15:31] <reisio> FourFire: you can specify the FS during installation
[15:31] <domo__> ah, now I get it with the bots here ;)
[15:31] <dosequis> Hawkerz: yes
[15:32] <FourFire> oh right
[15:32] <dosequis> Hawkerz: yes
[15:32] <reisio> FourFire: all you need to do is make sure the installer will have partition space to utilize
[15:32] <Hawkerz> dosequis, and they both have the same domain? both running ubuntu 13.04 or something?
[15:32] <martinb> unetbootin didn't give me mac-recognisable sticks :(
[15:32] <reisio> FourFire: and if the drives exposed to the installer have any partitions with data you care about on them, take care to not overwrite them :)
[15:32] <FourFire> so first i should format it as [empty] right?
[15:32] <dosequis> Hawkerz: only difference I see is that the one that is working has RUNNING on the 4th line
[15:32] <reisio> martinb: sure it did
[15:32] <FourFire> (I have stuff on it from before)
[15:32] <reisio> martinb: but unfortunately that isn't the only variable
[15:32] <reisio> FourFire: you can do that during install, really
[15:32] <FourFire> yeah I've backed up the data i want to keep
[15:33] <dosequis> Hawkerz: and ip link state is UP for the one that is working and DOWN for the one that isn't
[15:33] <reisio> FourFire: yeah, just do it when you run the installer, then
[15:33] <lucido> is there a ppa for the latest nvidia drivers?  in 304 I cant set a custom resolution and in 173 nvclock doesn't work
[15:33] <dosequis> Hawkerz: not sure how to turn it on though...
[15:33] <reisio> FourFire: it has an option to overwrite everything / use the whole disk
[15:33] <martinb> reisio: Nope. I've just found some destructions which state that dd-ing a usb stick to an empty partition will make it bootable, but osx really doesn't like usb sticks
[15:33] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, what do I do if i cant install any new packages? cant install ppa-purge while the problem still exists...
[15:33] <dosequis> Hawkerz: yes both identical machines - only difference is one is running off internal hdd (the one that is working) and other is booting external hdd
[15:33] <FourFire> thanks
[15:33] <jkgeyti> can i enable autologin (to desktop session) from the command line - i only have ssh access atm
[15:34] <wasanzy> hi
[15:34] <FourFire> now is it possible for me to use the currently running OS as an image for the drive install
[15:34] <reisio> martinb: well it's a question of what the UEFI likes
[15:34] <reisio> wasanzy: hi
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> jkgeyti: sure you can edit lightdm.conf
[15:34] <FourFire> (because I have some tools already installed on it)
[15:34] <dosequis> Hawkerz: I tried ifup p7p1 but it doesn't seem to change the sattus of the link
[15:34] <martinb> Indeed. I'm totally blind when it comes to UEFI
[15:34] <cordyceps> I'd like to update 12.04 to 13.04 but Update Mgr only offers 14.04. What to do?
[15:34] <reisio> FourFire: what is the currently running OS?
[15:35] <reisio> martinb: aren't we all
[15:35] <wasanzy> I wanted to upgrade my ubuntu from 13.04 to 13.10, last time I had an alert to upgrade and I clicked on remind me later, now I want to upgrade and I can't find the OS upgrader
[15:35] <FourFire> Ubuntu 32-bit with 'PUA' (or something, lets me use more than 4GB RAM)
[15:35] <wasanzy> how do I upgrade via the net?
[15:35] <jkgeyti> ActionParsnip: thanks a lot - that seemed to be the keyword i was missing in my google search :)
[15:35] <FourFire> 12.04.something
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> cordyceps: you will need to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set Prompt=normal
[15:35] <martinb> reisio: I'm hoping that the CD will be recognised, so that I can reformat my drives. Then I have the wonderful task of trying to get a UEFI boot working, instead of the 30 second timeout I have to wait for to get into mbr boot :(
[15:36] <reisio> I'm guessing probably
[15:36] <cordyceps> ActionParsnip: thanks!
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> wasanzy: sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:36] <reisio> although there are some potential UEFI issues with installing from CD/DVD, sometimes
[15:36] <reisio> you'll find out one way or the other :)
[15:36] <wasanzy> ActionParsnip: oh ok thank you
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> cordyceps: the default in LTS is to look for the next LTS< which is 14.04, so you tell it to allow the next release (12.10) to be offered
[15:36] <martinb> Oh yes. I'll be going dark for a while now, I think :)
[15:36] <wasanzy> does that upgrade my Gnome too?
[15:36] <hitsujiTMO> domo__: to be honest, i've never been in such a situation so i'm not sure ... i'd try and get the .deb and install it manually at least
[15:37] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, worth a shot, thanks
[15:39] <dosequis> Hawkerz: any ideas?
[15:39] <noinoi> ciao
[15:39] <sharkguto> someone has already work with python and CPU pinning/affinity? I really want to know how can i perform a thread affinity using python.... i have learing to user threading2 and set the affinity manually , however i only can do it for the hole script,i want to do it for each thread.........for example, t1,t2,t3 running over CPU0 and t4,t5 running over CPU1.....threading2.process_affinity((cpu,))
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> sharkguto: ask in #python too :)
[15:40] <sharkguto> i have already
[15:40] <sharkguto> no answer yet
[15:41] <FourFire> reisio: if I want to use my current running OS as a disk image, rather than the normal .iso file I have can I do that with Ubuntu's Startup disk creator?
[15:41] <FourFire> and if so what do I need to do?
[15:42] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, does the following error line help? E: Internal Error, No file name for libssl1.0.0
[15:42] <reisio> FourFire: technically yes, but I wouldn't bother
[15:42] <FourFire> ok
[15:42] <Hawkerz> dosequis, sorry
[15:42] <reisio> FourFire: you're reinstalling Ubuntu?
[15:42] <Hawkerz> got distracted, yes, I have lots of ideas
[15:42] <FourFire> I'll just install the tools seperately
[15:42] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, that happens whenever i try something like apt-get -f install, etc
[15:42] <FourFire> no, not exactly
[15:42] <dosequis> Hawkerz: no worries! thanks for your help!
[15:42] <Hawkerz> dosequis, dmesg
[15:43] <FourFire> I have an windows computer which I used extensively before I was introduced to linux, and I gave Ubuntu a stupidly small partition because I thought I wouldn't use it much (now I never use windows)
[15:43] <wayne__> Is it okay to run Ubuntu in Virualbox?
[15:43] <hitsujiTMO> domo__: looks like one of the ppas has its own version of libssl1 and rather than be an update for the actual package, it installed alongside it
[15:43] <reisio> wayne__: sure
[15:43] <Hawkerz> wayne__, of course it is
[15:43] <reisio> FourFire: ah
[15:43] <hitsujiTMO> domo__: bad ppa
[15:44] <reisio> FourFire: if you don't want the windows partition anymore, you can delete it and reclaim the space without reinstalling, from a live OS
[15:44] <dosequis> Hawkerz: on which machine ? can't really copy output easily...
[15:44] <reisio> FourFire: it's more like 90% safe instead of 100% safe, but potentially will be a much smaller hassle than reinstalling
[15:44] <Hawkerz> FourFire, but you can also resize windows without much trouble
[15:44] <Hawkerz> dosequis, just dmesg | grep -i net
[15:44] <Hawkerz> on the one that is broken
[15:44] <reisio> yeah, but he just said he doesn't use windows anymore :p
[15:45] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, ok.. at least i know where to look now.
[15:45] <martinb> reisio: It's a security blanket for some people. I kept my windows partitions around for a few years too, back in the day :)
[15:45] <reisio> right, but he just said he's now past that point :p
[15:46] <Hawkerz> dosequis, you are mainly looking to see if there are any obvious attempts and failures at connecting to the network
[15:46] <martinb> Yay for a partition wipe then :D
[15:46] <Hawkerz> dosequis, you can also lspci -vvnn while you're at it
[15:47] <Hawkerz> tell me the ethernet controller model # and then at the bottom of the ethernet controller section, it should have a kernel driver mentioned
[15:47] <hitsujiTMO> domo__: one last thing you could try after you've done everything is to touch where that file should be ... this could cause other problems, so it would be a last resort
[15:47] <Hawkerz> and get the same output from the working one
[15:47]  * martinb just realised that he's been running 32-bit linux on this 64-bit machine for far too long...
[15:47] <dosequis> Hawkerz: ok one second
[15:47] <Sidhu> Ìû
[15:48] <Sidhu> Ìû
[15:48] <wayne__> Can you use your windows stream user name and password for linux steam
[15:48] <dosequis> Hawkerz: I have a couple link not ready. It is using the tg3 driver
[15:48] <martinb> wayne__: I did :)
[15:49] <wayne__> can you still download the same games?
[15:49] <jmgk> join #colloquy
[15:49] <martinb> Only the ones which work on Linux
[15:49] <dosequis> Hawkerz: if I compare w/ working machine, working machine stast as not ready but there is a line where p7p1 'becomes ready'
[15:49] <jmgk> sorry
[15:49] <Hawkerz> ok
[15:49] <Sidhu> Ìû
[15:49] <martinb> wayne__: Not all have been ported yet
[15:49] <wayne__> Okay thanks man
[15:49] <Hawkerz> dosequis, and they both have only a single ethernet controller according to lspci -vvnn ?
[15:50] <Hawkerz> and sorry, I missed which release of ubuntu you said they are
[15:50] <martinb> wayne__: Once you login to the steam client, you get a list of your games. You then click on each one and see which it thinks you can use. There are probably all sorts of wine tricks also, for those interested in that sort of thing.
[15:50] <dosequis> Hawkerz: 13.04 server
[15:51] <wayne__> sounds interesting
[15:51] <martinb> I just wanted to play Kerbal Space Program :)
[15:51] <Hawkerz> ok
[15:51] <dosequis> Hawkerz: device is Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5787M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
[15:52] <wayne__> I found Windows xp would not update anymore, so its the real.. Reason I'm using Virtualbox for linux
[15:52] <hitsujiTMO> wayne__: also see #ubuntu-steam
[15:53] <bpietro> hi, anybody knows how to resolve this annoying&boring behavior: Unity with 9 (3x3) virtual screen, on #9 opened Skype window and Zoiper window. After some time these windows are still live, but move themselves to any other virtual screen (random choice)
[15:53] <Hawkerz> dosequis, same module is powering the other machine?
[15:54] <dosequis> Hawkerz: yes tg3 in both cases
[15:54] <martinb> wayne__: go look at steamos also.
[15:54] <wayne__> martin is it true windows xp doesn't update anymore?
[15:54] <dosequis> Hawkerz: output looks pretty much the same
[15:55] <MARKTIME> Hawkerz u there
[15:55] <Hawkerz> dosequis, also, sudo service networking status
[15:55] <martinb> wayne__: No idea. I'd assume that it's end of life, and only gets basic security updates. If you want to use windows as a platform, you will need a more modern version.
[15:55] <Hawkerz> MARKTIME, yep
[15:56] <dosequis> Hawkerz: running. Hey I have to run out of the office for a while. Hopefully you will be around when I get back but if not thanks again for all the help!
[15:56] <Hawkerz> you have a bizarre situation
[15:56] <Hawkerz> and the lights are flashing for sure though?
[15:56] <Hawkerz> where the cable is plugged in?
[15:57] <dosequis> Hawkerz: yes the cable is plugged in and lights are flashing
[15:57] <Hawkerz> lol
[15:57] <Hawkerz> I only ask because I had the same issue a week or two ago...and it turned out the cable was never plugged in
[15:57] <dosequis> Hawkerz: lol haha happens to the best of us
[15:58] <dosequis> I have a third box lying around - I will try to swap with that one this afternoon and see if that fixes the problem
[15:59] <Hawkerz> or put the hard drive inside, maybe it's lonely
[15:59] <eg0x> hi people. iam trying to use 3 monitors with ubuntu 13.10. i already got 2 up and working, but my 3rd one stays black. using fglrx driver with a ati 7850 gfx card. would be great if somebody is able to help me. thanks in advance!
[16:00] <buu> Oh god
[16:00] <buu> How do I make a usb headset work under ubuntu 3.10?
[16:00] <buu> 13.10
[16:00] <cristian_c> join #ubuntu-it
[16:00] <hitsujiTMO> buu what is the output of: lsusb
[16:00] <EFIguy> Hello, I'd like to install Ubuntu as a dual boot with Windows 8, however my laptop has EFI/secure boot (not really sure of the different unfortunately) and I really don't want to ruin everything. I have a separate partition onto which I'd like to install Ubuntu but I'm not sure how to go about it since I believe that it's NTFS or something
[16:00] <cristian_c> join #ubuntu-it-chat
[16:01] <buu> hitsujiTMO: Bus 002 Device 025: ID 046d:0a0c Logitech, Inc. Clear Chat Comfort USB Headset
[16:01] <hitsujiTMO> buu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/131812/logitech-usb-headset-not-working-on-12-04
[16:01] <ForSpareParts> I screwed up and accidentally deleted the apparmor mysql abstraction (was cleaning up after an old manual mysql install, long story). Is there any way to get it back? apt-get remove/install apparmor doesn't do it.
[16:02] <baordog_> Where would I find the source files for the unix utilities that come with ubuntu?
[16:02] <baordog_> like grep, xargs and such
[16:03] <Hawkerz> well, you can use the 'which' command to find out where they are
[16:03] <Hawkerz> and then you can use really anything you want to look at them, like less, or vim, or whatever
[16:03] <cariveri> hi there. booting seems to ignore the new boot partition with grub, booting the old windows way without menu. what do I need to do?
[16:03] <hitsujiTMO> buu: first: make sure its at least not an issue that ubuntu is just not going to a different device: System Settings -> Sound
[16:04] <bpietro> cristian_c, leading / missing ;)
[16:04] <baordog_> Hawkerz: As in there is a copy of the source on every linux distor?
[16:04] <Hawkerz> cariveri, did you run sudo update-grub2 ?
[16:04] <baordog_> I thought I just had the binaries
[16:04] <buu> hitsujiTMO: I don't have a system settings -> sound
[16:04] <buu> This is puzzling me
[16:04] <Hawkerz> baordog_, they call it open source for a reason
[16:04] <cariveri> Hawkerz: no. can I do that now on the livecd ?
[16:04] <baordog_> Right, but I would assume that the source would just live in a repo somewhere
[16:05] <hitsujiTMO> ForSpareParts: you could possibly try: dpkg-reconfigure apparmor                        i'm not familiar with apparmor tho
[16:05] <Hawkerz> cariveri, how are you making changes to the bootloader from a livecd?
[16:05]  * martinb goes for the big reboot...
[16:05] <Hawkerz> you would need to mount the root filesystem and then chroot
[16:05] <hitsujiTMO> buu: definately odd ... try that ppa then
[16:05] <Hawkerz> and then you can update grub, yah
[16:06] <wrale> do you know of any good way to lock the screen transparently?  for a heads up display which shows nagios and similar, i want to lock the keyboard and mouse, while displaying in a kiosk-like mode
[16:06] <ForSpareParts> hitsujiTMO, I'll give that a shot. thanks.
[16:06] <baordog_> Hawkerz:  That was really what I was asking.... where is the official repo. Where does Ubuntu get it's unix utilities from? are they from a central location or kept updated seperate to other distros?
[16:06] <ragutierrez_> hello
[16:06] <cariveri> Hawkerz: yes livecd. /-partition  is mounted to /mnt/
[16:06] <xckpd7> question: how would I undo this command?
[16:06] <xckpd7> sudo ln -f /usr/bin/python2.6 /usr/local/bin/python
[16:06] <hitsujiTMO> wrale: disconnect the keyboard and mouse?
[16:07] <ragutierrez_> I need help with my ethernet and wireless
[16:07] <ragutierrez_> can somone help me
[16:07] <wrale> hitsujiTMO: clever idea
[16:07] <ragutierrez_> they are atheros
[16:08] <buu> hitsujiTMO: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[16:08] <buu> Same with binary-amd64
[16:08] <ForSpareParts> hitsujiTMO, It worked! You're a fucking genius.
[16:08] <ForSpareParts> thanks, dude
[16:08] <cristian_c> bpietro, thanks
[16:09] <hitsujiTMO> ForSpareParts: np
[16:09] <cariveri> Hawkerz: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?)  on update-grub2
[16:09] <ragutierrez_> Do you know how can I make Ubuntu recognition for wireless
[16:09] <hitsujiTMO> buu: soory, they must not have updated to saucy fully yet
[16:09] <babo> i have a bitch of an ubuntu problem, the only firefox package that my ubuntu can see is firefox-3.0 and i can't install that because it's getting 404's from the package manager i'm on jaunty jackolope
[16:09] <babo> so i've got no browser
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> babo: Jaunty is EOL, so there are no more updates for it
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> babo: I recommend a clean install from scratch using Precise, it is LTS and supported til APril 2017
[16:10] <neilp> Does anyone know how to get notifications working for "Back In Time" in Ubuntu 13.10 (Unity)?
[16:10] <babo> ActionParsnip: i don't have access to a browser so can you tell me how to upgrade my ubuntu ? preferably to the latest ...
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> babo: download the ISO, burn it as slowly as you can to a CD, or use usb-creator to make a bootable USB / SD card
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> babo: then install, be sure your data backups are sufficiently recent
[16:11] <Hawkerz> cariveri, here?
[16:11] <cristian_c> Hi
[16:11] <cristian_c> some time ago, I noticed that the volume keys no longer worked fine on 12.04
[16:11] <baordog_> which version of grep does ubuntu use? GNU?
[16:12] <Hawkerz> cariveri, did you mount your hard disk somewhere? if so, where?
[16:12] <cristian_c> for example, if I press the toggle key, the sound is muted. But if I press it again, the sound is no longer turned on
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> !info grep saucy
[16:12] <babo> ActionParsnip: i'd prefer not to do that, i just need firefox. i can't download the recent iso cause i don't have firefox
[16:12] <hitsujiTMO> buu: desktop or server?
[16:12] <cristian_c> even the keys to increase and decrease the volume does not work well: they do not reach the lower and upper limits (at least in the applet on the panel)
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> babo: you can download it with wget
[16:12] <cristian_c> what might be the problem? What should I look for?
[16:12] <hitsujiTMO> buu: sorry, wrong person
[16:12] <cariveri> Hawkerz: I mounted the rootpartition to /mnt/ and chrooted into it.
[16:12] <Trudko_> guys I am switching from windows and I am courious where should I put my development related stuff(libraries, sdk, source code) ? I was used to put these thigs on c:/dev should I put it in home folder?
[16:13] <cristian_c> Any ideas?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> babo: wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/daily-live/current/saucy-desktop-i386.iso
[16:13] <hitsujiTMO> babo: desktop or server (or cli install)?
[16:13] <wrale> hitsujiTMO: just found xtrlock, works well for this.. thanks again
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> babo: I assume you want 32bit ISO
[16:13] <Hawkerz> cariveri, so if you were to type 'mount' right now it whould show yoru hd mounted at /mnt ?
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> babo: This is only supported 9 months, Precise (Ubuntu 12.04) is supported til April 2017
[16:13] <babo> ActionParsnip: yes thanks. unfortunately i don't have any discs handy
[16:13] <babo> desktop
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> babo: got a usb stick you can use to install with?
[16:14] <babo> ActionParsnip
[16:14] <babo> oops
[16:14] <babo> yes i do
[16:14] <brontosaurusrex> Trudko_, yeah, the you make a softlink or something to that folder that would read as /dev if you want
[16:14] <ActionParsnip> babo: then use that
[16:14] <Shimpu> @marcepan
[16:14] <brontosaurusrex> but ~/dev should be good enough
[16:15] <Xethron> Interesting Article from IBM: http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/41926.wss
[16:15] <Hawkerz> cariveri, do you have a separate boot partition? if so you need to also mount that to /mnt/boot then
[16:15] <cariveri> Hawkerz: in the surrounding environment yes. not on the chroot whihc seems plausible.
[16:15] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | Xethron
[16:15] <Preytell> I am not a big ununtu user, mostly been in the corp world when it's redhat/centos/etc... I am looking for the reason behind something that I am seeing in ubuntu, the first few blocks and the last few blocks of /dev/sda are not being used. So when you extend a drive, and create a new partition the default starting block is not the beginning of the new partition it's the unused space inside that unused space.
[16:15] <babo> ActionParsnip: i'll try that if nothing else works. i've downloaded the latest firefox version but when i double click on the firefox executable nothing happens
[16:15] <Xethron> Interesting
[16:16] <Preytell> anyone else seeing this issue?
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> babo: we cannot support Jaunty here, it is dead
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> Preytell: yes I se it
[16:16] <Hawkerz> cariveri, if you have a separate boot partition, get out of the chroot and mount it to /mnt/boot, also, you should mount the relevant virtual filesystems
[16:16] <babo> ActionParsnip: do i have to change the bios to boot from a usb ?
[16:17] <ragutierrez_> I Need Help!!!!
[16:17] <Trudko_> brontosaurusrex: ok thank you
[16:17] <neilp> how do I get notifications working for "Back In Time" in Ubuntu 13.10 (Unity)?
[16:17] <rawrmonster> i was trying to set up a openvpn server and when i was following the documentation on https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openvpn.html there are some files it is trying to get me to copy from "/usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/*" and copy them to "/etc/openvpn/easy-rsa" (the folder they had me create). But the file's in the folder are not there so i can't change the files like they are telling me. I already have openvpn installed do i ne
[16:17] <cariveri> Hawkerz: Hawkerz yes ther eis a sep. boot part. mount showed it is mounted to /boot , but of course its not mounted in the chroot. can I mount it there too?
[16:18] <Hawkerz> cariveri, so that would mean: for VFS_PATH in "dev" "proc" "sys"; do mount --bind /${VFS_PATH} /mnt/${VFS_PATH} ; done
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> babo: most BIOS's have shortcut keys to cheng the boot device for one shot
[16:18] <Hawkerz> yes, you have to
[16:18] <Hawkerz> or else you can't update it :p
[16:18] <ragutierrez_> my Ethernet and Wireless controller don't be recognized by Ubuntu... They are Atheros
[16:18] <ragutierrez_> my Ethernet and Wireless controller don't be recognized by Ubuntu... They are Atheros..
[16:18] <ragutierrez_> my Ethernet and Wireless controller don't be recognized by Ubuntu... They are Atheros...
[16:19] <rawrmonster> It don't be recognized yo lol
[16:19] <brontosaurusrex> Trudko_, actually /dev is a reserved system dir, make up something else
[16:19] <hitsujiTMO> !patience | ragutierrez_
[16:19] <cariveri> Hawkerz: wait. mount in the chroot showed me /boot is mounted
[16:19] <Hawkerz> did you put it there?
[16:20] <Preytell> ActionParsnip: Do you have a reason for why it happens?
[16:20] <h31> Hello. Why there is nearly no updates on 13.10? Everybody are working on Ubuntu Touch? :)
[16:20] <Hawkerz> you still have to mount --bind /dev, /proc, and /sys
[16:20] <Trudko_> brontosaurusrex: i can create it but symlink would be problem right?
[16:20] <joew> Hello, my /boot partition doesn't have enough space for the recent dist-upgrade. It appears I have a lot of older files in it, such as: initrd images, config files, system maps, vmlinux. Can I safely delete the older versions?
[16:20] <freakynl> Hi, I just noticed 12.04.3 comes with 3.8. My 12.04.2 install is stuck on 3.2 (dist-upgrade wants to upgrade the kernel to a newer 3.2 version). Why doesn't it upgrade my kernel to 3.8 as well?
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> Preytell: no idea, do you have latest BIOS?
[16:20] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: thanks for checking my sentence... can you help me with my problem?
[16:20] <cariveri> Hawkerz: it was mountd, I think I did not, but its ok isnt ? still this /user/sbin/grub-probe error
[16:20] <freakynl> joew: pretty much yes
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> freakynl: why do you need the 3.8 kernel?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> freakynl: is everything working ok?
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> freakynl: sound? video? net? all ok?
[16:21] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez_: i need a little more info than your eth card is not working have you checked dmesg?
[16:21] <Rarrikins> How can I get the WiFi connection thing to stop asking me for passwords when the signal is weak? It'll stupidly sit there for hours without an Internet connection waiting for a password to be entered, long after the signal has gotten better.
[16:21] <freakynl> better LIO support. Or actually, LIO iSCSI support. 3.2 does not have it, I have servers with unstable 13.04 because of that
[16:21] <cariveri> Hawkerz: moutn in chroot: /dev/sda7 on / type ext4 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
[16:21] <ActionParsnip> Rarrikins: try disabling N speed
[16:22] <Hawkerz> cariveri, mount in chroot lies to you, you need to exit the chroot to mount things
[16:22] <freakynl> err unstable I mean short term support. Not that ubuntu's support of LIO is great, been complaining about the targetcli on launchpad for over a year - even with newer ubuntu releases they don't bother upgrading the tools... (haven't checked 13.10 yet tho')
[16:22] <Hawkerz> also, that mount line does not seem to acknowledge that you have mounted a boot partition, which may be separate, but which you can't know without leaving the chroot
[16:22] <hitsujiTMO> freakynl: it doesn't upgrade as doing so could break your system
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> freakynl: if you enable the backports repo you should be able to get it
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> !info linux-generic-lts-raring
[16:23] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: well the first one is an Atheros Communications Inc. Device 10a1
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> ahhh
[16:23] <h31> freakynl: you need to install it manually, it doesn't comes as an update.
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> Rarrikins: what wifi module are you using?
[16:24] <freakynl> hitsujiTMO: really? I've been upgrading my own kernels on my private system (not servers thus) for like 17 years. Number of things that broke because of the kernel (as in not my configuring mess up's): 0
[16:24] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: the system recognize them but it seems that the drivers are not installed
[16:24] <freakynl> besides ubuntu likes to keep a ton of older kernels laying around anyways ;) just boot the older one
[16:25] <cariveri> Hawkerz: did not help. I mounted /boot partition into /mnt/boot , chrooted into it, same error.
[16:25] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez_:  go to terminal and type "dmesg > test.txt" with out the quotes and pastebin the file (just make sure you don't have a test.txt in that directory or you will overwrite it)
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> rawrmonster: why not just pipe to pastebinit
[16:25] <Hawkerz> cariveri, did you mount the other 3 partitions i told you to mount as well?
[16:26] <Rarrikins> ActionParsnip: It looks like iwlwifi
[16:26] <cariveri> no I fogot.
[16:26] <rawrmonster> ActionParsnip: forgot lol i am a little tired
[16:26] <freakynl> and if that breaks things I'm quite curious on who decided to up it anyways. For example plesk supports 12.04. AppAssure supports 12.04, many other parties support 12.04. Don't think they'll be very glad 12.04(.1) has 3.2, 12.04(.2) has 3.2 (well with me, found some post from someone stating it came with 3.5...) and 12.04.3 has 3.8
[16:26] <hitsujiTMO> freakynl: while it is extremely unlikely for it to break your system, in rare cases it can. normally you should only need to upgrade the kernel for specific support (as seems to be your case).
[16:26] <dosequis> Hawkerz: just got back from lunch and swapped the machine...and it works! Must be an issue w/ the network card on that other machine...sorry I wasted your time
[16:26] <freakynl> hitsujiTMO: yea LIO's iSCSI stack is part of kernel since 3.5 iirc.
[16:27] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, follow-up: this helped http://askubuntu.com/a/169534
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> Rarrikins: run:    echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=0" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwififix.conf > /dev/null
[16:27] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, at least i think so.. dont know if my system will survive a reboot
[16:27] <freakynl> plesk probably won't care. AppAssure builds dkms kernel modules for their vdisk driver tho'
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> Rarrikins: then reboot to test
[16:27] <brontosaurusrex> Trudko_, let me try ...
[16:27] <domo__> at least it worked hard to correct all kinds of packages
[16:28] <Hawkerz> dosequis, no worries, i'm still confused by it
[16:28] <hitsujiTMO> dolo__: cool, good luck with the reboot :P ... hopefully you should be back to normal
[16:28] <dosequis> Hawkerz: haha I think it must be a hardware issue
[16:28] <cariveri> Hawkerz: your script line had a syntax error. unexpected do
[16:28] <ustdana> Hi All, anyone knows youtube-viewer ppa?
[16:28] <bjsnider> can someone with unity open an image please?
[16:29] <Paterito> I have an issue with a folder it's on /media I want to allow rwx for root and r for group and users but is not allowing me to remove -w on users it does on the root but not on users and the command even verbose to me that the new changes are dr-xr-xrwx wtf is going on
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> !ppa | ustdana
[16:29] <Hawkerz> cariveri, well then do it manually
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> ustdana: do you mean minitube?
[16:30] <Hawkerz> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev && sudo mount --bind /proc /mnt/proc && sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[16:30] <ustdana> ActionParsnip: nope, youtube-viewer
[16:30] <freakynl> well thx for the info - gotta run
[16:30] <hitsujiTMO> Paterito: what filesystem is the mounted drive?
[16:30] <Hawkerz> once you have /, /boot, /dev, /proc, and /sys mounted into your chroot you can actually use it
[16:30] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: http://pastebin.com/zLpzzq3U
[16:30] <ustdana> ActionParsnip: I saw it here https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer/tree/master/WWW-YoutubeViewer
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> ustdana: what is the output of:   cat /etc/issue
[16:32] <cariveri> Hawkerz: ah. now it works. it that all ? do I only have to reboot ?
[16:32] <Paterito> hitsujiTMO: don't know it's a live ubuntu
[16:32] <Hawkerz> did you update grub?
[16:32] <cariveri> Hawkerz: I mean sudo update-grub2 worked in chroot
[16:32] <cariveri> yes
[16:32] <Paterito> hitsujiTMO: ubuntu 10.04 to be exact
[16:32] <Hawkerz> i dont actually know which error we were fixing apart from the one where you couldn't update grub
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> ustdana: its a simple terminal command, no need to pastebin as its a single line
[16:32] <Hawkerz> but if yo uwanted to change the boot menu now would be an opportune time
[16:32] <ustdana> ActionParsnip: Zorin OS 7 \n \l
[16:32] <hitsujiTMO> Paterito: can you show the output of: mount     specifically the line reffering to the drive
[16:32] <ActionParsnip> ustdana: ZOrin is not supported here
[16:33] <brontosaurusrex> Trudko_, for example "sudo ln -s /home/ticho/videos /videos" will make my user videos accessible via cd /videos
[16:33] <babo> ActionParsnip: what if i just want to upgrade to the next version. can't i do that without having to backup all my files ?
[16:33] <domo__> hitsujiTMO, system is fine again! thanks for your time. off to some work again..
[16:33] <Paterito> hitsujiTMO: the folder I'm trying to create it's on the live file system
[16:33] <ustdana> ActionParsnip: Ok, thanks anyway..
[16:33] <brontosaurusrex> Trudko_, don't make an actual /videos directory before that
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> ustdana: try in #ZorinOS
[16:33] <cariveri> Hawkerz: it looked to me as if the master boot record was taken with win7 instead of looking into /boot partition. do I have to do something with the masterboot record?
[16:33] <brontosaurusrex> Trudko_, and  thats it
[16:33] <ActionParsnip> babo: you should have a backup anyway...what if your drive IDE fails, where is your data?
[16:34] <ustdana> ActionParsnip: Thanks again.. :-)
[16:34] <Paterito> hitsujiTMO: the folder is on /media but mount doesn't show type format for that folder
[16:34] <Trudko_> brontosaurusrex: so you are saying that i should run mkdir /videos but just run ln -s ?
[16:34] <brontosaurusrex> just ln -s
[16:34] <Hawkerz> cariveri, put the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg in http://paste.ubuntu.com
[16:34] <brontosaurusrex> no mkdirs
[16:34] <hitsujiTMO> Paterito: that dir should NOT ever be changed!
[16:34] <babo> ActionParsnip: will a disk still boot if there is other non iso files on it ?
[16:35] <Paterito> hitsujiTMO: is probably aufs that's what's on / btw
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> babo: as long as there is bot data, it will boot
[16:35] <ActionParsnip> boot*
[16:35] <Paterito> hitsujiTMO: I want to create the folders I want to mount fs on
[16:35] <hitsujiTMO> Paterito: you using sudo?
[16:35] <Paterito> yea
[16:36] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: here is the file http://pastebin.com/zLpzzq3U
[16:36] <hitsujiTMO> i'm unsure what the problem is
[16:36] <Paterito> #@$#@
[16:36] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez_: I am looking at it now.
[16:36] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: ok, sorry
[16:37] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez_: np which version of ubuntu are you running?
[16:37] <cariveri> Hawkerz: http://pastebin.com/fqWKuxrD
[16:37] <hitsujiTMO> ragutierrez_: you need a bios update it seems :P
[16:37] <ragutierrez_> rawrmonster: Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit
[16:38] <babo> how do i mount my usb disk ?
[16:38] <Hawkerz> cariveri, looks right to me
[16:38] <Paterito> first find out what dev name it has do sudo fdisk -l
[16:39] <Paterito> babo: that's waht I would do
[16:39] <cariveri> ok then I reboot? nothing with any old things from the systemreserved partition of win7?
[16:39] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez_: What driver does your ath card use? If you don't know type "lspci | grep -i ethernet"
[16:40] <Hawkerz> cariveri, i'm not sure what you're asking'
[16:40] <Hawkerz> are you talking about the normal boot repair partition in sda1?
[16:40] <hitsujiTMO> rawrmonster: ragutierrez_: lspci -k       will list the kernel driver
[16:43] <cariveri> Hawkerz: the boot label in gparted is nromally  set on the system reserved sda2 ntfs, and I setted the boot flag on /boot
[16:43] <Hawkerz> manually?
[16:43] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: did you type something... I lost conecction
[16:43] <cariveri> Hawkerz: in gparted yes.
[16:44] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: Did you see where i asked for the driver your card uses?
[16:45] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: no, how I do that?
[16:45] <cariveri> Hawkerz: or is that my fault? I thought that is the purpose of a sep. boot part.
[16:45] <Neurotoxin> is there a terminal command to install ubuntu from the live desktop`?
[16:45] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: "lspci -k | grep -i ethernet"
[16:45] <Hawkerz> cariveri, you probably should not have changed that
[16:46] <cariveri> Hawkerz: ok ill revert it.
[16:46] <Hawkerz> boot is where the mbr goes
[16:46] <Hawkerz> unless you are using EFI
[16:46] <Hawkerz> in which case there is no MBR?
[16:46] <chro> hi, how can I upgrade to the latest version 13.10 ?
[16:46] <chro> I tried with "$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" but it says there is nothing to upgrade
[16:47] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: i will brb going for a smoke
[16:47] <cariveri> ok Hawkerz I try reverting the boot flag on the old place, but I dont see how it would use the boot parition at all, since windows and mbr did not do anything to recognize it.
[16:47] <eein> so what is missing that doesnt allow me to see thumbnails or open content when mounting my android phone?
[16:48] <Hawkerz> cariveri, huh?
[16:48] <eein> seems odd, not an issue on windows. i can open them directly without first copying them on to the computer first
[16:48] <Hawkerz> you know MBR stands for master boot record?
[16:48] <hitsujiTMO> !upgrade | chro
[16:48] <Hawkerz> like, where your hd stores the record for how to boot
[16:48] <Hawkerz> it's only in one place, and it never moves
[16:49] <electron__> adb devices does not list my zte racer
[16:50] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: well, I have problems with Ethernet and wireless... so here is the output http://pastebin.com/AmT67wx3
[16:50] <cariveri> see. sda1-3 is windows including sys reserved with boot flag (I dont know exactely where the master boot record is, but I assume there). now I wanted to turn to a different place. the /boot partition . It should be independent of all win stuff so I could finally delete it one day.
[16:52] <cariveri> ok I try setting it back, ill come back if issues.
[16:54] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: its ok i have a site that can decode these cryptic outputs
[16:55] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: give me "lspci -n" as well
[16:55] <jubale> Having a problem with built-in mount of Windows disk. Windows was shut down properly, but when I clicked 'OS' in Nautilus, it says http://paste.ubuntu.com/6290058/
[16:57] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: you can add the -k flag to tell which ones are for your ethernet after the -n
[16:57] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: forgot to say that sorry
[16:58] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: it's ok
[16:58] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: do you want the files?
[16:59] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: yea
[16:59] <Rory> jubale: You have two options. The best one is to boot back into Windows and run chkdsk
[16:59] <jubale> Why run chkdisk? It shut down properly, no errors.
[16:59] <Rory> OK don't then
[16:59] <Rory> The ntfs partition is marked as dirty
[16:59] <hitsujiTMO> ragutierrez__: for your wireless visit: http://askubuntu.com/questions/215498/upcoming-support-for-qualcomm-atheros-ar9565-wireless your wired required a later kernel... more info here : http://askubuntu.com/questions/165192/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-atheros-ar8161-ethernet-controller
[16:59] <Rory> You can forcibly remove that flag, but it's presumabl;y there for a reason
[17:00] <jubale> This is the second time this has happened, first time I only had to reboot Ubuntu, which didn't make sense.
[17:00] <Wiz_KeeD> is there a way to format the hard-drive to install ubuntu and leave space to install windows later on in dual-boot?
[17:00] <jubale> Instead of simply rebooting, I'd like to solve whatever is causing it to happen.
[17:00] <Rory> Wiz_KeeD: Yes, use gparted to set the partitions up manually, then use the custom partitioning option in the installer
[17:00] <Rory> !grub | Wiz_KeeD you'll have to do this after
[17:00] <MonkeyDu1t> Wiz_KeeD  first win, then lin, or windows will ruin grub and you'll have to repair it
[17:01] <Wiz_KeeD> ughh, so that's why everyon says first windows
[17:01] <MonkeyDu1t> Wiz_KeeD  yes
[17:01] <Rory> jubale: Then you can use "sudo ntfsfix -d /dev/sda5" from the ntfsprogs package
[17:02] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: you can install ubuntu first ... theres more work involved if you install windows after ubuntu tho
[17:04] <Wiz_KeeD> That all makes sense, so I will do patience first
[17:04] <Wiz_KeeD> The thing is that I don't have a DVD or a bootable stick, just two laptops, my smartphone and a external hard-drive
[17:04] <Wiz_KeeD> And it's difficult to set windows live-cd from either :))
[17:05] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: http://pastebin.com/xJtLsG5K
[17:07] <ragutierrez__> hitsujiTMO: I'm gonna review it... I tried with the latest version of compat-wireless but nothing hapened... I will seee what hapen with this
[17:07] <rawrmonster> ragutierrez__: check up make sure hitsujiTMO's post didn't answer your question
[17:07] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster: ok
[17:11] <musicholic> need help
[17:12] <ChogyDan> Wiz_KeeD: why do you need windows?  If the needs are minor, you may look into virtualbox or wine
[17:12] <MonkeyDust> musicholic  let's hear it
[17:12] <musicholic> i need to remount my windows partitions to ubuntu
[17:12] <Wiz_KeeD> ChogyDan, they are pretty minor indeed, I could just keep it to use my dlna software and all that
[17:12] <musicholic> can i do it without reinstalling
[17:12] <musicholic> ?
[17:12] <Wiz_KeeD> But with 1tb of space + 128ssd it would be a shame to waste it and not have some nice media software or a few games here and there
[17:13] <Myrtti> musicholic: what exactly are you planning to do?
[17:13] <Denyerec> Hey guys, anyone here trying to run 13.10 as a Guest on Windows7 through Virtualbox?
[17:13] <MonkeyDust> musicholic  mkdir [some easy name] ; sudo mount /dev/blah [that name]   <-- basically
[17:13] <Douro> what is the name of debian's .deb install tool? is it available/usable in ubuntu? software center is too slow and i want a gui.
[17:14] <Cuppa_coffee> can you use the mount command to mount things in a a network btw? Like a mediaplater?
[17:14] <Cuppa_coffee> *player?
[17:14] <MonkeyDust> Douro  gdebi
[17:14] <BAMbanda> How can I make a shortcut for terminal and put it on the desktop? I have gnome setup currently
[17:14] <anoop> why ubuntu consumes more battery charge than windows?
[17:15] <Douro> MonkeyDust: thank you, are there any issues using it in ubuntu?
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> Douro  not sure, I use apt-get install
[17:15] <MonkeyDust> Douro  or dpkg -i
[17:15] <ChogyDan> Wiz_KeeD: well, it looks like there is some klna software for ubuntu: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1755/what-dlna-server-to-choose
[17:15] <ChogyDan> I don't know about that myself.  I've done a _tiny_ bit with xbox
[17:16] <Wiz_KeeD> hehe :D
[17:20] <Wiz_KeeD> ChogyDan, any idea how I could install windows without a usb stick or dvd? I have a external hard-drive, my adroid phone with micro-card and another laptop if that helps
[17:21] <RayWizard> how do i find process producing sound sound?
[17:22] <apb> So I went to bed last night and I woke up this morning to a blank screen - normal after 5 or so minutes of inactivity - moved my mouse... hit keys on my keyboard... no reaction.  I was forced to power down and reboot.  This is the first time this has happened and the primary thing that changed was... the kernel.  ubuntu 12.04, kernel 3.2.0-55-generic-pae
[17:22] <ChogyDan> Wiz_KeeD: no, I don't.  Maybe you could install the image to the phone/card or the drive.  It might wipe the media so take care playing with that
[17:22] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: if the external hdd is empty you could just use that instead of a usb
[17:22] <anoop> Ubuntu consuming more charge than windows on my laptop. Reason please???
[17:23] <hitsujiTMO> anoop: no power maganement running maybe?
[17:23] <hitsujiTMO> anoop: what gfx card do you have?
[17:24] <ChogyDan> anoop: sometimes there are power management bugs in linux.  Make sure you are running the latest ubuntu
[17:24] <Wiz_KeeD> hitsujiTMO, it's not :( I was reading a few articles about it
[17:24] <anoop> hitsujiTMO: I heard that it is a kernel  bug. Is it right or not?
[17:24] <anoop> hitsujiTMO: Nvidia GeForce
[17:25] <anoop> ChogyDan: I was running 13.04.
[17:26] <hitsujiTMO> anoop: if your gfx supports Optimus then you could install the proprietary drivers along with bumblebee for better gpu power management
[17:27] <anoop> hitsujiTMO: Installation of proprietary drivers was totally a mess. So I just stopped installing graphics drivers.
[17:29] <sfb> I just started the Saucy upgrade and it appears to have retrieved openjdk-6-jdk about a thousand times.
[17:30] <sfb> It just keeps re-downloading it over and over again.
[17:30] <ragutierrez__> rawrmonster hitsujiTMO thanks I have wireless now... I think I can go on with this for now
[17:31] <anoop> hitsujiTMO: Can I just turn off the graphics card from Ubuntu?
[17:33] <rawrmonster> I have installed openvpn using apt-get but i do not have any of the config files that the documentation says i should have. How do i get the config files this is a fresh install of ubuntu server and openvpn
[17:33] <ChogyDan> sfb: can you pastebin some of the output?
[17:34] <c|oneman> how long do free Amazon EC2 accounts take to approve?
[17:36] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | c|oneman
[17:36] <ChogyDan> rawrmonster: are you following an ubuntu specific guide?
[17:36] <rawrmonster> ChogyDan: yes i am
[17:37] <ChogyDan> rawrmonster: link?
[17:37] <rawrmonster> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/openvpn.html
[17:37] <ChogyDan> rawrmonster: which files are you missing?
[17:38] <LXPRO> Hello at all
[17:38] <rawrmonster> in the chapter "Certificate authority setup" i have made the dir easy-rsa but i have nothing in "/usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/2.0/*"
[17:39] <rawrmonster> i made my easy-rsa in /etc/openvpn/easy-rsa
[17:39] <rawrmonster> so i know i didn't overwrite it but there is just nothing there
[17:41] <Denyerec> Hey guys, anyone here trying to run 13.10 as a Guest on Windows7 through Virtualbox?
[17:41] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | Denyerec
[17:41] <hitsujiTMO> !anyone | Denyerec
[17:42] <Denyerec> I'd love to follow
[17:42] <ChogyDan> rawrmonster: Im guessing you aren't running lts(12.04)  what are you running?
[17:42] <Denyerec> but it's utterly irrelevant if not running through VBox so whats the use?
[17:42] <rawrmonster> ChogyDan: ubuntu server 12.04
[17:43] <ChogyDan> rawrmonster: oh, nm.  erm, I dunno
[17:43] <Denyerec> When I run 13.10 in VirtualBox on a Windows7-64 Host with 2 Displays enabled, Unity breaks. Login is fine, but when taken to the desktop the laincher and top toolbar do not display. Does anyone know the workaround ?
[17:43] <ChogyDan> rawrmonster: maybe try the later guide anyway? https://help.ubuntu.com/13.10/serverguide/openvpn.html       maybe they updated
[17:44] <Denyerec> Further, shared folders do not seem to function at all from Vbox or VMware, vendor VM tools installed.
[17:44] <Denyerec> (Crunchbang works fine with the shared folders)
[17:44] <rawrmonster> ChogyDan: lol yep i already see where the new guide has fixed it's self
[17:44] <LXPRO> join #fedora
[17:44] <rawrmonster> ChogyDan: apt-get install easy-rsa  :D
[17:44] <ChogyDan> ya
[17:44] <wilee-nilee> Denyerec, #vbox
[17:45] <Denyerec> I figured I'd ask in here, as Crunchbang is fine
[17:45] <Denyerec> So figured it was an ubuntu issue
[17:45] <Denyerec> I'll be back when #vbox tells me to ask in #ubuntu
[17:46] <anoop> Denyerec: nice
[17:49] <MARKTIME> Anybody here know anything about mounting a RAID0 created in windows in Ubuntu?
[17:51] <LXPRO> sazawal, hello
[17:52] <sazawal> LXPRO, hi
[17:52] <LXPRO> sazawal, where are you from?
[17:52] <wad> I saw a tool once that shows a graphical representaiton of disk usage. Anyone recall the name?
[17:53] <ChogyDan> baobab
[17:53] <ChogyDan> maybe
[17:53] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | LXPRO
[17:53] <nikitko> hello guys
[17:53] <sazawal> LXPRO, sorry
[17:53] <nikitko> in ubuntu 13.04 nautilus downgrade to version 3.6? how?
[17:53] <LXPRO> hitsujiTMO, Sorry
[17:53] <nikitko> парни, есть русские? подскажите как откатить версию наутилуса в 13.04 до 3.6?
[17:53] <wilee-nilee> !ru | nikitko
[17:54] <sfb> ChogyDan: http://pastebin.com/yBxRqch0
[17:54] <ChogyDan> sfb: is this from do-release-upgrade
[17:54] <sfb> Yeah
[17:55] <kingbeowolf> how can i install xfce without the programs showing up in Unity?
[17:55] <manny0080> can somebody please psm me n tell me how to set up a ssh
[17:55] <ChogyDan> sfb: I really don't know, but maybe you could just remove openjdk temporarily
[17:55] <sazawal> Can anyone tell me, when a file is opened in nautilus what is the trigger that ubuntu uses for recording recent history?
[17:55] <nikitko> !ru
[17:56] <MonkeyDust> manny0080  what do you ant to do with ssh?
[17:56] <MonkeyDust> want*
[17:56] <Console> Hey, quick question. What's the simplest way to have a native dev environment on your local Ubuntu machine. I would like to apache up and running where I can easily add urls like "test.dev" and easily manage the locations of those files and all?
[17:56] <hitsujiTMO> !xfce | kingbeowolf
[17:57] <wilee-nilee> nikitko, http://askubuntu.com/questions/286430/nautilus-3-6-doesnt-have-a-status-bar ppa's are not supported here.
[17:57] <manny0080> no i dont
[17:57] <manny0080> i installed ssh pack
[17:58] <MonkeyDust> Console  create a chroot, work in that chroot
[17:59] <sfb> ChogyDan: Hmn. Okay.
[17:59] <sfb> ChogyDan: Can't remember if I have anything relying on it directly.
[17:59] <lapion> does anyone else hav problems downloading the iso images of 13.10 with zsync ?
[18:00] <jack> hi...i need someone to do me a favor
[18:00] <wilee-nilee> !anyone | lapion
[18:00] <ni664665> hi there
[18:00] <wilee-nilee> !details | lapion
[18:00] <MonkeyDust> lapion  you mean rsync?
[18:00] <lapion> MonkeyDust, no zsync
[18:01] <jack> i need a http/ftp dowload-link for hexchat :(
[18:01] <trism> lapion: are you using a mirror? I always have trouble using zsync with the ubuntu cdimage servers after release, always disconnects
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> !info zsynch
[18:01] <MonkeyDust> !info zsync
[18:01] <trism> lapion: though it always works fine before the release, kind of strange
[18:01] <wilee-nilee> zsync ia working fine here
[18:01] <lapion> trism I get "failed to retrieve from ..."
[18:02] <lapion> trism, even if I add the url manually
[18:02] <kingbeowolf> hitsujiTMO: doesn't really help
[18:02] <sfb> ChogyDan: Cool, now it's doing it for openjdk-6-jre-headless instead.
[18:03] <kingbeowolf> what version of xfce does that command install?
[18:03] <ChogyDan> sfb: rinse repeat?
[18:03] <trism> lapion: sorry not cdimage, but the release.ubuntu.com server is where I have trouble, I'm trying now since I haven't grabbed an iso yet anyway, but you may just want to try a different mirror
[18:04] <lapion> trism, the download doesn't even start
[18:04] <Console> MonkeyDust: I have google'ed a bit, but is there a really good reference out there that you know of for setting up chroot?
[18:04] <apb_> Ummm....  mountall: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[18:04] <wilee-nilee> lapion, post the code your using
[18:05] <MonkeyDust> !chroot | Console start here
[18:05] <kingbeowolf> how can i figure out what version of software a package contains?
[18:05] <lapion> trism, only the zsync file is downloaded correctly
[18:05] <Console> Thank you
[18:05] <hitsujiTMO> apt-cache show packagename
[18:05] <daniel2you> Hi, I am on Ubuntu 12.04 on a laptop writing to you. I just now downloaded Mint 13 to a dvd and tried it on my machine, BUT it won't show any icons. It will on my other desktop. Is Ubuntu not letting the live cd show correctly? I can right click and get a terminal though. What should I do?
[18:06] <daniel2you> Kinda new here with linux.
[18:06] <wilee-nilee> daniel2you, Mint is not supported here you want to use their channel.
[18:06] <daniel2you>   thanks
[18:06] <jack> mint is at15 now afaik
[18:06] <kingbeowolf> should i install xubuntu-desktop or just xfce4 ?
[18:06] <trism> lapion: that is what always happens to me, after it reads the seed file, just disconnects. so I would just try a different mirror if that is your problem, though in testing now, I'm not having that problem on releases.ubuntu.com today, strangely
[18:07] <trism> lapion: but it did redirect me to a different mirror
[18:07] <hitsujiTMO> kingbeowolf xfce4 will install the bare minimum xfce4 ... xubuntu-desktop is a complete desktop install
[18:07] <kingbeowolf> hitsujiTMO: what is included in the bare minimum?
[18:08] <lapion> trism, I was using cdimage.ubuntu.com.. but I allready started wget which works perfectly, but for bandwidth hoggings sake I wanted to only download the missing 45%  as compared to the beta iso
[18:08] <sfb> Okay, there's something else wrong. I can't remove libbost1.53-dev
[18:08] <kingbeowolf> hitsujiTMO: i know installing xubuntu-desktop in the past changed my loading screen and kernel i think
[18:09] <ChogyDan> sfb: hmm, maybe you are removing too much
[18:09] <hitsujiTMO> kingbeowolf: the xfce4 DE ... but no other apps ... are you just looking to switch from unity to xfce4?
[18:09] <ChogyDan> sfb: why did you use the graphical upgrade manager?
[18:09] <sfb> It's console based.
[18:10] <kingbeowolf> hitsujiTMO: id like to be able to move back and forth for testing
[18:11] <hitsujiTMO> then just installing xfce4 should be enough, you should have an option to choose your DE from the login prompt then
[18:12] <ChogyDan> sfb: apt-get dist-upgrade -d            try that, see if it runs
[18:13] <nikitko> wilee-nilee Thank you. but, unfortunately, the problem is not solved. I want to bring back the old nautilus.  I do not like the look of folders. I want to make a List (in the old nautilus). In the new, uncomfortable minimalism.
[18:13] <sfb> Console: Yeah
[18:13] <sfb> Console: Sorry
[18:13] <sfb> ChogyDan: Yeah - I was actually in the middle of that.
[18:14] <sfb> It appears to be working fine.
[18:14] <ChogyDan> sfb: ya, and then retry do-release-upgrade after, see if it is able to go
[18:15] <sfb> ChogyDan: Thanks. It's weird that it doesn't work within do-release-upgrade but does normally.
[18:17] <sazawal> Can anyone tell me, when a file is opened in nautilus what is the trigger that ubuntu uses for recording recent history?
[18:18] <hays> on my acer with broadcome wifi chip, i upgraded to raring and wifi says its disabled via a hardware switch now
[18:18] <hays> is this a problem with an easy fix or am i going to have to break out the ethernet cable are start toying with things
[18:19] <Sivik> what did the xscreensaver-command command change to?  Its no longer there.
[18:25] <MonkeyDust> hays  yes, ethernet is the easiest, fastest and most stable connection
[18:28] <theuser> hi, i reinstalled Xubuntu 12.4 LTS and now my skype is acting up like crazy crashin every few minutes
[18:28] <Trudko_> Guys if I nstall Ubuntu using wubi would it be problem to update it?
[18:29] <ChogyDan> Trudko_: yes
[18:29] <Trudko_> crap .. i dont have usb stick or dvd :/.
[18:29] <ChogyDan> Trudko_: wubi is discontinued
[18:29] <theuser> I a whole bunch of stuff including skype is missing from the ubuntu software center and i had to download skype directly from skype.com
[18:29] <datiti> hello
[18:29] <Trudko_> ChogyDan: and other way how to install through windows?
[18:30] <theuser> Beefore this reinstall, skype was working just fine
[18:30] <ChogyDan> theuser: try running from the terminal, see if there are errors
[18:30] <MonkeyDust> theuser  yes, skype is not from canonical, it belongs to some enterprise in redmond - i forget the name
[18:30] <ChogyDan> !install | Trudko_ maybe I dunno check out this
[18:31] <theuser> But i used to be able to install from the ubuntu software center
[18:31] <theuser> not that i care where i install from, but maybe that older version was more stable
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> theuser  activate the 3rd party repo
[18:32] <nikitko> wilee-nilee Thank you. Turned:D
[18:32] <Trudko_> ChogyDan: btw why did you say that it is problem to update ubuntu if I install it by wubi?
[18:32] <gogi_> ubuntu 13.10 with cinnamon menu icon error ?
[18:32] <MonkeyDust> theuser  or partner repo, rather
[18:33] <gogi_> ubuntu 13.10 with cinnamon menu icon error, after chaged it?
[18:33] <sam113101> does the macbook's trackpad work as expected on ubuntu?
[18:33] <vlt> Hello. If you wanted to build a solid desktop system with Ubuntu 13.10 and could choose between an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+" and an "Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo E8500 CPU @3.16 GHz" ... what would you recommend?
[18:33] <ChogyDan> Trudko_: just because 12.04 is the last release that has wubi.  It is discontniued
[18:33] <sam113101> will all the gestures
[18:33] <kingbeowolf> exit
[18:33] <Trudko_> ChogyDan: I am asking because I found http://schoudhury.com/blog/articles/install-ubuntu-13-04-with-ubuntu-wubi-installer/
[18:33] <Trudko_> so it seems that it shouldnt be problem
[18:34] <gogi_> somebody use 13.10 with cinnamon?
[18:34] <MonkeyDust> !anyone | gogi_
[18:34] <readyjar> So I'm running 13.10. I just installed kubuntu-full as well, but I want to keep the default Ubuntu unity login screen. I can't seem to figure out how. Using lightdm gives me the KDE style login, and gdm gives me gnome style. Can't seem to get unity
[18:34] <gogi_> thnks
[18:35] <gogi_> ubuntu 13.10 with cinnamon menu icon error, after chaged it?
[18:35] <Console> When creating a symbolic link, how do I create a symbolic link of the contents of a folder instead of the actual folder?
[18:35] <ChogyDan> Trudko_: maybe.  One of the reasons wubi was disconninued was too many issues.  But I see what you mean now.  You just want to use Wubi to get it installed.  Once it is installed, then I was wrong, you should be able to update fine
[18:35] <vlt> Console: What?
[18:36] <sam113101> does the macbook's trackpad work as expected on ubuntu?
[18:36] <Trudko_> ChogyDan: too many issues ? Do you think i should install ubuntu using wubi?
[18:36] <Trudko_>  I shouldn*t
[18:36] <readyjar> So I'm running 13.10. I just installed kubuntu-full as well, but I want to keep the default Ubuntu unity login screen. I can't seem to figure out how. Using lightdm gives me the KDE style login, and gdm gives me gnome style. Can't seem to get unity
[18:36] <Console> I'm in the directory I want to create a sym link to and I tried "ln -s ~/Work/Git/TransitLabs/demo/*" to try and copy the content. When I removed the wildcard it just created a sym link to the demo folder inside the folder I'm in
[18:36] <Console> vlt: Does that make more sense?
[18:37] <ChogyDan> Trudko_: that's all I know.  sorry
[18:37] <sam113101> you want to create a symlink for every file?
[18:37] <vlt> Console: A bit. What exactly is your goal?
[18:38] <Console> My goal is to have the directory with a different name, in a separate location, but with the same exact content as another folder with a different name
[18:38] <jhutchins> Console: To do what you're trying to do, remove the target directory and replace it with a symlink to the source directory.
[18:39] <hays> when i do rfkill list all it says my wifi is "hard blocked" what does this mean
[18:39] <jhutchins> Console: You want any changes in either directory to appear in the other, correct?
[18:39] <gogi_> ubuntu 13.10 with cinnamon: i changed menu icon, but after shuwdown ... menu icon change to defaults none icon
[18:39] <FUmist> mist you are my enemy for life
[18:39] <MonkeyDust> gogi_  what is your own language?
[18:40] <sazawal> How can I generate an interrupt when a file from a particular folder is opened using inoticoming?
[18:40] <gogi_> spanish
[18:40] <Console> jhutchins: Yes
[18:40] <gogi_> but try it to communicate ... ;)
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> !s | gogi_ ask here first
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> !es | gogi_ ask here first
[18:40] <suore> Hi, how to check time and date at Ubuntu?
[18:40] <gogi_> thnks
[18:40] <hitsujiTMO> suore: date
[18:40] <MonkeyDust> suore  'date'
[18:41] <suore> what date?
[18:41] <suore> yes date
[18:41] <suore> how to check, where is date at Ubuntu?
[18:41] <hitsujiTMO> suore: run 'date' in the terminal
[18:41] <suore> lol! to check date i have to run date at terminal?! o.O
[18:41] <genii> suore: That is the best way, yes.
[18:42] <suore> now i know why all says why linux is shitty, and is not to use for typical Smith... im back to windows
[18:42] <hitsujiTMO> suore: unless you just want to see it in unity, then click on the time in the corner
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> suore  what's funny with the command date, if you want to know the date?
[18:42] <readyjar> So I'm running 13.10. I just installed kubuntu-full as well, but I want to keep the default Ubuntu unity login screen. I can't seem to figure out how. Using lightdm gives me the KDE style login, and gdm gives me gnome style. Can't seem to get unity
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> suore  you can easily alias 'date' to some command you prefer
[18:44] <vlt> vlt: Choose Intel (as they said in #ubuntu-offtopic) ;-)
[18:44] <genii> readyjar: Change "lightdm-kde-greeter" in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf  to just "lightdm"
[18:44] <suore> MonkeyDust, im installed Ubuntu bacause all says i easy and friendly for beginers, and... relly is easy in use,i like it, look like OS X, but i no see date in Tray like in windows, i have to wirting everytime in terminal date, to see date.....
[18:45] <chro> what happens if I interrupt the upgrading process ?
[18:45] <jhutchins> chro: You get to discover the resume commands, or maybe just the -f install command, or maybe you get to reinstall.
[18:46] <jhutchins> chro: Somewhat unpredictable, the system may not be fully functional but should be bootable and console-fixable.
[18:46] <chro> jhutchins, and can I lose my data in the process ?
[18:46] <jhutchins> chro: You can always loose your data, that's why you keep backups.
[18:46] <FUmist> should i update grub even if i don't have it installed?
[18:46] <buu> LOOSE THE DATA UPON THE PLAINS OF WAR
[18:46] <chro> jhutchins, I'm asking if the probability is high, to lose data
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> suore  something's wrong then, the date should be visible in the tray
[18:47] <suore> MonkeyDust, but is not
[18:47] <jhutchins> chro: Not if you have backups.
[18:47] <suore> from week i have no date...
[18:47] <suore> so i think - i ask here
[18:47] <UrielVigilant> I already installed Epson sx130 but only printer work and scan dont. Now i have acessed to drivers in Epson website  and i already have iscan_2.29.2-1~usb0.1.ltdl7_i386.deb driver and  iscan-data_1.24.0-2_all.deb driver . Now to install is just type, example : cd directory
[18:47] <UrielVigilant> sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb  , and nothing more, just reboot ?
[18:47] <jhutchins> !pl
[18:48] <jhutchins> UrielVigilant: Try installing xsane
[18:48] <hitsujiTMO> suore: o you at least see the time in the sys panel?
[18:48] <hitsujiTMO> do*
[18:48] <readyjar> genii: Now I get no login screen. Just stuck at a black screen
[18:48] <vlt> MonkeyDust: suore might be right. When I installed 13.10 yesterday and chose "show date" in the time settings I got "unsupported time format" (sic!) in the tray.
[18:48] <UrielVigilant> jhutchins: xsane already come with drivers ?
[18:48] <malnese> Just updated to 13.10, but can't boot to it. I go to memtest every time. How can I boot?
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> vlt  suore then it lay be a !bug, no reason to blame a complete distro
[18:49] <suore> hitsujiTMO, only on Live
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> may*
[18:49] <hitsujiTMO> suore: there must be something wrong with your install then
[18:50] <suore> hitsujiTMO, how to show date?
[18:50] <suore> in tray/
[18:50] <suore> any tips?
[18:50] <yo_> hi im trying to connect to a router using wpa_supplicant. And it appears to connect just fine, but I still get no internet connection. Am I missing something?
[18:50] <genii> readyjar: ctrl-alt-f1  , login, and to do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install --reinstall unity-greeter && sudo service lightdm restart
[18:50] <vlt> malnese: Try to hold shift key and wait for the GRUB menu.
[18:50] <jhutchins> suore: Do you know which desktop you have?
[18:50] <malnese> vlt: only memtest is listed
[18:50] <suore> jhutchins, Ubuntu
[18:51] <vlt> malnese: From where did you upgrade?
[18:51] <malnese> 13.04
[18:51] <malnese> same computer
[18:51] <guest-RPkXv8> My gnome froze so I did some gdm restart and gnome-shell --display :0 --replace, and some stuff a few times to no avail. Now I can't login to gnome with my username, it shows the login screen again. What should I do?
[18:51] <malnese> vlt *sorry, the update utility 13.04 popped up
[18:51] <vlt> malnese: press "c". Do you get the GRUB command line?
[18:52] <malnese> vlt: yes, I'm there now
[18:52] <jhutchins> suore: dconf-editor: http://askubuntu.com/questions/129985/how-to-make-the-date-appear-next-to-the-time-indicator-in-gnome-classic
[18:52] <jhutchins> suore: ubuntu can use many different desktops, unity, gnome, kde, xfce, lxde, etc.
[18:52] <vlt> malnese: Does `ls /` show you files?
[18:53] <suore> jhutchins, how to check?
[18:53] <UrielVigilant> to install deb driver for scan its just sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb  ?
[18:53] <jhutchins> suore: Let's assume unity or gnome, check the web page above and see if that works.
[18:53] <MonkeyDust> suore  http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg
[18:53] <sdn3rd> does anyone know of a good howto for storing empathy conversation history in  evolution?
[18:54] <malnese> vlt, yes but nothing from my normal /. I see "lost_found/ grub/ memtest86+.bin memtest86+_multiboot.bin extlinux/
[18:54] <suore> MonkeyDust, is most simlar to Unity
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> suore  then it is Unity
[18:54] <vlt> malnese: wait
[18:55] <hitsujiTMO> suore: you can install unity-tweak-tool to configure what part of date time shows up in the tray
[18:55] <vlt> malnese: What’s in extlinux/?
[18:55] <basichash> How can I kill all processes given by pidof?
[18:55] <suore> i no see any part, and i cannot change it in options
[18:55] <suore> all option of date in Setting are "grey"
[18:55] <readyjar> genii: Was unable to restart lightdm. stop: Unknown instance: start: Job failed to start
[18:56] <malnese> vlt: memdisk linux.cfg chain.c32 memdisk.cfg themes/ os-prober.cfg extlinux.conf
[18:56] <suore> options*
[18:56] <guest-RPkXv8> My gnome froze so I did some gdm restart and gnome-shell --display :0 --replace, and some stuff a few times to no avail. Now I can't login to gnome with my username, it's in a login loop. What should I do?
[18:56] <readyjar> I do get a corrupted memory warning when I first login though
[18:56] <readyjar> That can't be good
[18:56] <basichash> How can I kill all processes given by pidof?
[18:56] <hotmedal> My gnome froze so I did some gdm restart and gnome-shell --display :0 --replace, and some stuff a few times to no avail. Now I can't login to gnome with my username, it's in a login loop. What should I do?
[18:56] <yo_> is there a dhcpd that comes with ubuntu?
[18:56] <sdn3rd> hotmedal, reboot
[18:57] <vlt> malnese: Hmmm, this seems to be a boot only partition. Or has been. What hd(x,y) devices do you get from `ls` (w/o trailing "/")?
[18:57] <dannymichel> I tried downloading these drivers and installing them for my motherboard. it worked, but my rear left and rear right speakers arent working. Also, my USB headphones arent working either https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1203138#p1203138
[18:57] <hotmedal> sdn3rd: I did, now logged in as guest
[18:57] <sdn3rd> yo_: yes
[18:57] <suore> so i have to wait for repair this bug?.
[18:57] <sdn3rd> hotmedal: have network connectivity?
[18:57] <suore> by next update?
[18:57] <hotmedal> gnome isn't broken, just for my profile. Yes, I'm online from it
[18:57] <hays> I have a bcm4313 wireless card that stopped working with raring update
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> !bcm
[18:58] <hays> According to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx i should be using bcmsmac driver
[18:58] <yo_> sdn3rd: i mean that is included already with no need to install, since i have no network :/
[18:58] <sdn3rd> hotmedal: try deleting and recreating your user
[18:58] <malnese> vlt: (hd0) (hd0, msdos5) (hd0, msdos1) (fd0)
[18:58] <sdn3rd> or deleting .gnome
[18:58] <sdn3rd> etc
[18:58] <hays> MonkeyDust: guidance there did not work
[18:58] <yo_> sdn3rd: i connected to a router via wpa_supplicant but there's no flow
[18:58] <hitsujiTMO> hotmedal:  boot with text kernel option and run xorg manually and see if any errors pop up
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> suore  my advice: fist get used to the new interface, then try to repair things
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> first*
[18:58] <hays> MonkeyDust: MonkeyDust rfkill list shows the wifi "hard blocked"
[18:59] <hotmedal> hitsujiTMO: do you mean from a different tty?
[18:59] <hays> with the brcmsmac driver
[18:59] <sdn3rd> yo_: you mean you have no ip?
[18:59] <Wiz_KeeD> hey guys
[18:59] <vlt> malnese: I’m no GRUB guru but try `set root=(hd0,msdos5)`
[18:59] <Wiz_KeeD> how do I format a usb stick to avoid viruses when botting into ubuntu?
[18:59] <hitsujiTMO> hotmedal: in the grub menu add the "text" option to your kernel options
[18:59] <suore> MonkeyDust, how to use new interfaces?
[18:59] <suore> men im new.. not pro
[18:59] <hotmedal> sdn3rd: will that delete everything in /home?
[19:00] <specon> could anyone tell me where to find the terminal application in ubuntu 13.10 ? i can't seem to find it
[19:00] <yo_> sdn3rd: probably yes
[19:00] <vlt> malnese: Then `ls /` again.
[19:00] <specon> only with the search icon i can find it when i type terminal
[19:00] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: the tool you use to create the usb should give you the option to format it as fat32
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> suore  theb best way to learn it, is by using itn like you learned windows when it was new
[19:00] <malnese> vlt: "unknown filesystem"
[19:00] <vlt> malnese: Damn
[19:00] <Wiz_KeeD> hitsujiTMO, in ubuntu?
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> hays  rfkill unblock all
[19:01] <Wiz_KeeD> I will make the stick bootable in windows
[19:01] <Wiz_KeeD> But first I want to format it to be sure I have no viruses in it
[19:01] <vlt> malnese: After "set root..." or from the ls command?
[19:01] <malnese> after ls
[19:01] <suore> MonkeyDust, so its normal when all no see panel date?? and date options are on, but date settings are grey? i and i have to use how to read dat in terminal....
[19:01] <hays> MonkeyDust: no effect
[19:01] <suore> so cool... man...
[19:01] <vlt> malnese: Before we try further ... do you have any boot CD or USB stick?
[19:01] <malnese> vlt: tried with msdos1, that's just the boot partititon again it looks like
[19:02] <malnese> vlt: yes
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> suore  the date is not the most important thing, is it? first get used to the whole interface, where's what etc
[19:02] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: lili (http://www.linuxliveusb.com/) creates a ubuntu live usb and gives you the option to format it as fat32 as you're creating it
[19:02] <suore> for me is.
[19:02] <UrielVigilant> I tryed to install first epson sx130 scan driver package and i get this error, because problem dependences and missin xlstproc pakage or something http://paste.ubuntu.com/6290708/
[19:02] <suore> all works in my ubuntu what i need to use
[19:02] <UrielVigilant> now what can i do ?
[19:02] <Wiz_KeeD> hitsujiTMO, I want to install windows first though
[19:02] <trism> suore: if this is 13.10, see bug 1239710
[19:02] <MonkeyDust> suore  then try another DE, instead of Unity
[19:02] <Wiz_KeeD> and ubuntu I'll do it with a disk or something
[19:02] <ruth> How do i download Minecraft on Ubuntu
[19:03] <buu> ruth: Try left clicking
[19:03] <vlt> malnese: If there’s next to nothing on msdos1 and GRUB doesn’t recognise a fs on msdos5 => boot from external media
[19:03] <Pisami> Hello! I'm installing Ubuntu 13.10 alongside old OSes, but GRUB won't install, it says on console "this LDM has no Embedding Partition; embedding won't be possible." and so on. I don't have LVM, how I can install grub?
[19:03] <yo_> sdn3rd: dhclient is what i was looking for :d
[19:03] <vlt> malnese: From there we can try to fix it better.
[19:03] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: then for windows usb installer use this: http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/create-bootable-usb-key-thumb-drive-windows-vista7-command-line.htm   then create a ubuntu usb installer after
[19:04] <malnese> vlt: ok, I have 12.04 on my usb. booting that now
[19:04] <Wiz_KeeD> great hitsujiTMO !
[19:04] <Wiz_KeeD> thanks!
[19:04] <oupateddie> suddenly since about 2 weeks ago it seems as if nautilus crashes and the top menu options disappear. Need to reboot to get it to restore. Seems as if Libre Office is the culprit.
[19:04] <belgianguy> are the radeon.dpm kernel grub parameters experimental?
[19:05] <hays> MonkeyDust: and if I use the STA driver its unblocked but I don't get any networks listed to connect to
[19:05] <MonkeyDust> hays  better ask somebody else, i rarely use wifi
[19:05] <vlt> suore: That links says that 23 hours ago a fix was committed. The priority is set to High. (In case you just began to fix it yourself.)
[19:06] <hays> MonkeyDust: ok well thanks for trying
[19:06] <UrielVigilant> xsane dont recongnise my scanner
[19:06] <malnese> vlt: ok, I'm booted off my flash drive now
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> suore  while you wait, install a different desktop environment... logout, switch, login
[19:07] <oupateddie> UrielVigilant there is an epson driver install which worked for me when the epson was not seen
[19:07] <UrielVigilant> I need to install xsltproc to install de deb ? how to do this ?
[19:07] <Wiz_KeeD> brb
[19:07] <oupateddie> UrielVigilant look at the Epson website they give quite good instructions and I did that and xsane worked
[19:08] <manny0080_> hey how do i run NMAP
[19:08] <UrielVigilant> oupateddie: i dont know how to install the drivers , i already have te drivers .
[19:08] <Pici> manny0080_: read the manpage, nmap has lots of options.
[19:09] <suore> MonkeyDust, what new evi syou can suggest?
[19:09] <vershan> manny0080_ what in nmap do you want to run
[19:09] <oupateddie> UrielVigilant as I say go to the Epson website and search for the scanner and the how to install the drivers. There are three different ones to install. I had the problem last week and solved it by reading on the epson website
[19:09] <oupateddie> suddenly since about 2 weeks ago it seems as if nautilus crashes and the top menu options disappear. Need to reboot to get it to restore. Seems as if Libre Office is the culprit.
[19:09] <manny0080_> where can i find the main page
[19:09] <Pici> manny0080_:  `man nmap`
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> suore  KDE looks alot like windows, it may sweeten the bitter pill of 'all things new'
[19:10] <bean__> manny0080_: are you just wanting a simple scan using nmap?
[19:10] <ruth> so i downloaded it but it just opens the files
[19:10] <manny0080_> yes
[19:10] <vershan> manny0080_ use the gui if the command line is too difficult
[19:10] <bean__> manny0080_: "nmap -v -A ip.address.i.want
[19:10] <bean__> "
[19:10] <s-haha-n> Can anyone here help me with a gParted issue, I have unallocated space I want to rearrange ...
[19:11] <Pisami> s-haha-n: how much space
[19:11] <UrielVigilant> oupateddie: in Epson Website they say that it is 2 driver not 3 , see please   http://download.ebz.epson.net/faq/linux/faq_ls_00002.html
[19:11] <vershan> s-haha-n more info on your partitions
[19:11] <kingbeowolf> can some one help me install this http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[19:11] <Pisami> I'm installing Ubuntu 13.10 alongside old OSes, but GRUB won't install, it says on console "this LDM has no Embedding Partition; embedding won't be possible." and so on. I don't have LVM, how I can install grub?
[19:11] <oupateddie> UrielVigilant sorry yes 2 files. that was a typo
[19:11] <kingbeowolf> i dont know what it means to "+ search for"
[19:11] <s-haha-n> Pisami,  vershan  http://i.imgur.com/uMmccld.png  I want to unallocated to go to the dev/sda3   186GB drive
[19:13] <JoeyJoeJo> I'm having problems unmounting something because umount says the device is in use. How can I see what is using the device so I can unmount it?
[19:13] <s-haha-n> wait a minute...  wth??
[19:13] <s-haha-n> my drives are screwed up ...
[19:13] <Sivik> anyone here know why I would get a incorrect password for devmail even if I have it connected to the right server in my mail client?
[19:13] <Pisami> s-haha-n: i'm not sure, but maybe you first move sda6 to the right end and then just create new partition sda3
[19:13] <sdn3rd> does anyone know of a good howto for storing empathy conversation history in  evolution?
[19:14] <MonkeyDust> JoeyJoeJo  try this in a terminal    fuser -m [mountpoint]
[19:14] <eer> Hi
[19:14] <Pisami> s-haha-n: wait, you have sda3 as extended partition, what?
[19:14] <eer> Does anybody know whether it is possible to customize the address book of Evolution?
[19:15] <vlt> malnese: Got a root shell?
[19:15] <malnese> vlt: yes
[19:15] <vlt> malnese: `blkid`
[19:15] <s-haha-n> Pisami,  yeah... it's not adding up to 500GB right?   .. crap...  i have a 65GB ubuntu partition and the sda2 is windows 7
[19:15] <vershan> s-haha-n: the link is not opening
[19:16] <JoeyJoeJo> MonkeyDust: Thanks
[19:16] <s-haha-n> Pisami, oh no the sda3 is the unallocated and ubuntu combined....
[19:17] <s-haha-n> basically I want to take that unallocated space...  and add it to the "sda2" that is 279GB...  sorry if this is confusing...
[19:17] <Pisami> s-haha-n: yes, but the extended partition is just to make more partitions available, by default you can have only 4
[19:17] <s-haha-n> vershan, http://i.imgur.com/uMmccld.png  did i paste it wrong?
[19:17] <malnese> vlt: /dev/loop0: TYPE="squashfs"; /dev/sda1: UUID="<hex>" TYPE="ext2"; /dev/sda5: UUID"<hex>" TYPE="crypto_LUKS"; /dev/sdb1: LABEL="PENDRIVE" UUID="..." TYPE="vfat"
[19:17] <Smrtz> Hey, I've got a ~/Builds directory, and in it, I've got a wgetpaste-2.23 directory, with a wgetpaste script.  How can I make that a normal command?
[19:18] <s-haha-n> Pisami,  yeah... so the "extended" is like an umbrella right?  it has others inside of it... do i need to break it out of there to add to the sda2?
[19:18] <readyjar> Smrtz: Add that directory to your $PATH
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  make the script executable
[19:19] <Pisami> s-haha-n: yes, you must take it out first, then move the partitions around... make sure you have backups
[19:19] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: I have.
[19:19] <kingbeowolf> can some one help me install this http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[19:19] <kingbeowolf> its not showing up
[19:19] <Smrtz> readyjar: how?  let me post my .profile.
[19:19] <vlt> malnese: Ok, you got a luks device here. `cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 <some_name>`
[19:19] <vlt> malnese: After entering the passphrase check `blkid` again.
[19:20] <readyjar> Smrtz: export $PATH = $PATH:~
[19:20] <readyjar> Smrtz: Probably better just sticking the script in /usr/bin though
[19:20] <s-haha-n> Pisami,  oh so how do i take the 117GB unallocated and turn it into free usable disk space?
[19:20] <Smrtz> readyjar: here's my .profile, can you show me what I've done wrong please?  http://bpaste.net/show/143183
[19:20] <lukecarrier> readyjar, nope, export PATH=$PATH:$HOME
[19:20] <afigueiras> hi, can someone explain to me how can I get a locoteam approved?
[19:20] <readyjar> lukecarrier: Hmm thought tilde would expand. He gets the point either way
[19:21] <lukecarrier> readyjar, also note no dollar when setting vars, no spaces around = operator
[19:21] <s-haha-n> Pisami, i'm running gparted on the partition i think i'm trying to edit...  i have to usb boot gparted right?
[19:21] <MattShine> Hello can some one help me fix my harddrive, it has 2 partitions sda and sdb
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  i guess you need bin/bash in that script, forst line
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> first*
[19:21] <malnese> vlt: the new entry: /dev/mapper/<hex> UUID=<hex> TYPE="LVM2 member"
[19:21] <readyjar> lukecarrier: Ah I didn't even notice I had spaces. Doing too many things here ;P
[19:21] <lukecarrier> readyjar, amen to that :D
[19:22] <k1l_> afigueiras: please ask in #ubuntu-locoteams for help with locoteams issues
[19:22] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: just add "bin/bash"?
[19:22] <s-haha-n> Pisami,  vershan thanks btw
[19:22] <afigueiras> thanks k1l_
[19:22] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  #!/bin/bash
[19:22] <vlt> malnese: And lvm on top :-)  `vgchange -ay`, then blkid again
[19:23] <Pisami> s-haha-n: you probably need to boot somewhere else first, i am not so experienced gparted user that i don't know if it can make changes during booting, probably not
[19:23] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: done.
[19:23] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: wait, the wgetpaste script?
[19:23] <malnese> vlt: /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root ... TYPE="ext4"
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  yes, the script you want to run
[19:24] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: it starts with "#!/usr/bin/env bash:
[19:24] <Smrtz> "
[19:24] <vlt> malnese: We get close :-)
[19:24] <vershan> s-haha-n: drives must not be mounted, use live CD
[19:24] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: the script is at http://bpaste.net/show/143186
[19:24] <vlt> malnese: mount that ubuntu-root device somewhere
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  ok, replace that with "#!/bin/bash"  <-- without quotes
[19:25] <vlt> malnese: Then cd there.
[19:25] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: sure.
[19:25] <zandm7> I have a question. If when you create a bootable USB disk for Ubuntu, you set like 3GB of space for storage to use in the LiveCD mode, can you technically then keep a mobile version of Ubuntu with you all the time on your flash drive?
[19:25] <malnese> vlt: ok, I'm in
[19:25] <vlt> malnese: `mount -o bind /dev dev; mount -o bind /proc proc;`
[19:25] <zandm7> Like, keep it up to date and download new apps and all that.
[19:25] <Pisami> can someone help wit installing grub or burg... i'm on 13.10 livecd and need to power down soon
[19:25] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: done.
[19:25] <vlt> malnese: `mount -o bind /sys sys`
[19:26] <vlt> malnese: `chroot .`
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> zandm7  what you want, is a !persistent installation
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  now try to run it
[19:26] <IdleOne> !grub2 | Pisami
[19:26] <templer>  hi there i use evolution in xubuntu 12.04 but it won't print to my network printer had the same problem using document viewer but installing acrobat reader fixed that for pdfs anyone have any ideas why this is
[19:26] <zandm7> OK so how can I have a persistent installation that runs off a USB disk?
[19:26] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: same "command not found" error.
[19:26] <abuhafs> Hi I need your help, i have just installed ubuntu and I cannot install any updates as it cannot authenticate please help me
[19:26] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  use the complete path, where you saved it
[19:26] <vlt> malnese: No, wait. Leave the chroot again. (Ctrl+d, for example)
[19:27] <IdleOne> !usb | zandm7 see the second link
[19:27] <malnese> vlt: mounted, but I don't follow the chroot
[19:27] <vlt> malnese: What’s in ./boot?
[19:27] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: that's the problem.  I don't want to have to do that, I want to be able to just type "wgetpaste balls" from wheverever and have it work...
[19:27] <zandm7> Thank you!
[19:27] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  then put the wgetpaste command in    /usr/bin
[19:27] <abuhafs> please help me
[19:28] <s-haha-n> vershan, gotcha thanks, and i don't have to format to resize do i???  i should be able to add 100GB to a 250GB drive with stuff on it and keep that stuff resulting a 350GB partition??
[19:28] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: Ahh, it's that simple?
[19:28] <Smrtz> sec.
[19:28] <malnese> vlt: abi-3.8.0-29-generic config-3.8.0-29-generic
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  /usr/bin/ is the default folder, where installed executables are saved
[19:28] <vlt> malnese: Was 13.04 on kernel 3.8?
[19:28] <abuhafs> Can anyone help me
[19:28] <IdleOne> abuhafs: are you getting GPG errors?
[19:28] <MonkeyDust> abuhafs  start with a question
[19:29] <abuhafs> no
[19:29] <malnese> vlt: don't remember actually
[19:29] <Pisami> ubottu: that didn't help... but thanks anyways bot :)
[19:29] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: so just add Builds/wgetpaste-2.23/wgetpaste" at the end of "usr/bin"?
[19:29] <IdleOne> abuhafs: what specific errors are you getting?
[19:29] <abuhafs> its was first ever installation and it doesnt accept my password :(
[19:29] <nIc0> Hi guys, I have one question: can I install PC version of Ubuntu (NOT Ubuntu Mobile) on my Sony Xperia TAB Z? Anyone knows?
[19:29] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  inside /usr/bin   <-- it's the folder  name
[19:29] <vlt> malnese: Google says yes. But there’s no kernel or initrd.img left, hmmmm
[19:30] <readyjar> Too much playing around, just broke my ubuntu install :(
[19:30] <Smrtz> cp the wgetpaste script in there, and add /usr/bin to my path?
[19:30] <vlt> malnese: Are these really the only two files in that boot dir?
[19:30] <Smrtz> in .profile?
[19:30] <readyjar> Good thing for backups and always having a live USB with me :D
[19:30] <IdleOne> abuhafs: Are you able to login ?
[19:30] <vlt> malnese: Can you mount /dev/sda1 somewhere, please, and list its files?
[19:30] <abuhafs> i am able to log in as a guest
[19:31] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  cp the command there, the folder already is in your path (unless you changed the path)
[19:31] <abuhafs> Idleone how can i reset my password
[19:31] <IdleOne> abuhafs: ok so you either forgot the password or are typing it in wrong.
[19:31] <Smrtz> Thanks MonkeyDust, I'll try that in one sec.
[19:32] <abuhafs> idleOne if i log in as a guest then i enter the password its fine but if i enter the admin password no joy
[19:32] <IdleOne> abuhafs: http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[19:32] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: I did that, when I run "wgetpaste" I get "bash: /usr/bin/wgetpaste: bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory"...
[19:32] <abuhafs> IdleOne bare me with me its my first time let me check the link please
[19:33] <vershan> abuhafs did you enable automatic login by any chance
[19:33] <abuhafs> vershan yes i did but i was done by the system
[19:34] <abuhafs> the reset password is so complicated??
[19:34] <hays> ok I have been banging my head on this wifi driver for like an hour... is there a way to install an older kernel in 13.10 so that my wifi will work?
[19:34] <abuhafs> any other easy way
[19:34] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  from here, i guess you better ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[19:34] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: thanks!
[19:34] <hays> I've tried (1) kernel drivers (2) broadcom drivers provided by ubuntu (3) newest bcm drivers from their website
[19:34] <vershan> abuhafs, what version, what did you do last before this happened?
[19:34] <IdleOne> abuhafs: it actually is very simple, read the instructions and follow them. You can do this :)
[19:35] <dannymichel> My USB headset doesn't work after i installed drivers from the Realtek site for my ALC898 so i want to uninstall those drivers and reinstall the default Ubuntu drivers to get my USB headset back. Any ideas?
[19:35] <MonkeyDust> Smrtz  good luck, hope you make it
[19:35] <abuhafs> vershan my first ever installation V12.04
[19:35] <vlt> hays: Do you know a kernel that works with your wifi chip?
[19:36] <hays> well whatever was in version 12.10 i believe I was running before
[19:36] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: thanks, me too!
[19:36] <abuhafs> IdleOne ok i wil l try, please standby for help
[19:36] <hays> vlt: i think a 12.10 kernel... this started being a problem with the upgrade
[19:37] <vershan> abuhafs - ahhhh, i was thinking something else, so you did forget your password, or is it stuck on the logon screen although automatic logon is enabled
[19:37] <abuhafs> i am not stuck but i cannot make any changes or updates
[19:38] <vershan> abuhafs u in the terminal
[19:39] <abuhafs> vershan i dont even how to get to the terminal, please can you guide me
[19:40] <vershan> press CTRL+ALT+T
[19:40] <abuhafs> vershan would i loose u
[19:40] <vershan> abuhafs no
[19:40] <IdleOne> abuhafs: you can spend the next 30 minutes trying random stuff, or spend the next 5 minutes following that guide I linked you to.
[19:40] <abuhafs> vershan ok thanks
[19:40] <abuhafs> vershan i have the terminal
[19:41] <vershan> IdleOne oh did you send a guide
[19:41] <ianrossi> ME goes aways
[19:41]  * ianrossi goes away
[19:41] <IdleOne> !away > ianrossi
[19:41] <abuhafs> vershan yes he kindly send me the guide but please talk me through
[19:41] <IdleOne> vershan: I did http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[19:42] <dannymichel> My USB headset doesn't work after i installed drivers from the Realtek site for my ALC898 so i want to uninstall those drivers and reinstall the default Ubuntu drivers to get my USB headset back. Any ideas?
[19:42] <urterror> wow I'm chatting off ubunter server on irc! holy cow
[19:43] <abuhafs> vershan i have the terminal shall i go ahead and changed the password
[19:43] <MonkeyDust> urterror  great! with which irc client?
[19:43] <readyjar> Ah yeah. Didn't think I'd ever use Ubuntu One. Just did for easily reinstalling Ubuntu without losing all my docs
[19:45] <vershan> abuhafs i misunderstood you, i thought you needed to update the root password after first install then it would just be command 'sudo passwd' and follow prompts, but IdleOne has sent a tutorial follow that if you've forgotten your password. I find it very strange that you've forgotten the password that easily as you typed it in twice during the install and it verified
[19:46] <abuhafs> ok sorry i am new to this so kindly bare me bruv
[19:46] <vlt> hays: Are there still old kernels from 12.10 in your /boot dir?
[19:47] <hays> ill check
[19:47] <vershan> abuhafs no worries
[19:47] <hays> vlt: i thinkso
[19:47] <abuhafs> vershan password has been changed
[19:48] <vershan> so if you've updated the root password then you can ADMIN now
[19:48] <abuhafs> vershan let me check
[19:48] <fosstux> Hi! I've just helped a friend to change from 9.10 to 12.04. I'm having problems with the thunderbird profile...
[19:48] <vershan> type in 'sudo apt-get update'
[19:48] <hays> vlt: how do i get to the lilo or whatever menu when booting
[19:48] <hays> is there a key i need to press?
[19:49] <fosstux> What can I do to access the mails in the profile?
[19:49] <darrainw> Hello  We are attempting to install Server 12.04 through pxe using nfs. We are successfully at the pxe portion but every time it goes to install, we are prompted for the cdrom. Further, doing an ip a at this point in a console yields zero network config, as well as loopback completely down. We are putting the preseed file in the initrd.gz file that pxe picks up. If we insert the cdrom source and press continue, the install completes
[19:49] <vlt> hays: It’s GRUB by default. Try holding shift key while booting and check whether it is still listed. You can also check the file /boot/grub/grub.conf
[19:50] <vlt> malnese: I’m leaving in about 10 minutes.
[19:51] <abuhafs> vershan i tried typing sudo apt-get update i just get error messages
[19:51] <darrainw> We would really just like to export the server 12.04 install files through nfs and not have to use a cdrom at all.
[19:52] <malnese> vlt: sorry, /dev/sda1: extlinux grub lost_found memtest86+.bin memtest86+_multiboot.bin
[19:53] <vershan> abuhafs was there no password prompt to authenticate you, and what error
[19:54] <abuhafs> Vershan i have no changed the auto login on or off what is the best practise
[19:54] <Aeyesi> hello, is there sum sound expert :3?
[19:54] <Guest92044> looking for a c++ help,
[19:55] <Guest92044> c++ room is dead
[19:55] <hays> vlt: holding shift down didn't bring me to a grub menu
[19:55] <hays> vlt: is there a way to do it with nano
[19:55] <abuhafs> vershan password now changed and it allows me log in as an admin
[19:55] <vershan>  abuhafs thats good
[19:56] <abuhafs> vershan thank you so much
[19:56] <abuhafs> vershan is it better to leave in auto login??
[19:57] <plar> hi
[19:58] <vershan> abuhafs, no need to logon auto. Plus leave your account standard as it can be very dangerous. If theres requests that require admin rights then a popup for admin password will prompt you
[19:59] <abuhafs> vershan thank you so much, how friendly is the ubuntu for a non techie like me
[19:59] <Anonynimity> I love my backtrack-raring-studio laptop... :))
[19:59] <vershan> abuhafs u welcome
[20:00] <plar> Only me has problem with mouse? Sometime mouse doesn't work in top/system menu (Ubuntu 13.10/Unity) I can move my mouse over the application menu or over system bar(top/right position) but when I'm trying to click nothing happens after some interval it started to work...
[20:00] <hays> man i remember when there was an obvious file to edit to change the boot kernel.  now its all "abstract" and difficult to locate
[20:00] <abuhafs> vershan what is the security like compared to Windows??
[20:00] <MattShine> Can some one help me, I partitioned my harddrive it is not SDA and SDB how do i make it all one?
[20:00] <vershan> abuhafs i dont use windows sorry
[20:01] <plar> hays: /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
[20:01] <abuhafs> vershan can you advice any virus or security software
[20:01] <Anonynimity> I use windows all the time... but i use linux more
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> mattshine what is the output of: lsblk
[20:02] <vershan> abuhafs read this http://askubuntu.com/questions/10373/do-i-need-to-have-antivirus-software-installed
[20:02] <hays> im just going to factory reset back to 12.04
[20:03] <MattShine> hitsujiTMO: http://pastebin.com/tUJYXENi here it is.
[20:03] <abuhafs> vershan thank you so much and to your crew
[20:03] <jhutchins> hays: You are talking about the "upgrade" from grub-legacy (still available) to grub2.
[20:03] <hays> not your fault but allow me to vent generally <ignore> i buy a god damn linux laptop and still have f-ing hardware issues </ignore>
[20:04] <jhutchins> hays: Sounds like something to take up with whoever sold it to you.
[20:04] <hays> jhutchins: yeah im sure asus will say "sir don't upgrade it"
[20:04] <hitsujiTMO> MattShine: i see no abnormal martitioning there? what partions do you want to combine?
[20:05] <urterror> #1
[20:06] <jhutchins> MattShine: It would be sda1 and sda2 not sda/sdb.
[20:06] <FesterJester> Anyone know how to parse the output from shred into something like YAD or Zenity?
[20:06] <MattShine> hitsujiTMO:  i want to make a my partitions all one
[20:07] <vershan> abuhafs u welcome
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> !language | hays
[20:07] <urterror> hello
[20:07] <MattShine> here see both 500 gb hard drives have same number, http://tinypic.com/r/okaaev/5
[20:07] <MattShine> I want to make it all one hard drive 1tb hdf
[20:07] <MattShine> hd
[20:08] <MattShine> except hitsujiTMO  there labeled as different
[20:08] <MattShine> so idk what to do
[20:08] <hitsujiTMO> MattShine: sda is your physical drive, sda1 is your root partition, sda5 is your swap space which is needed.   sdb is a different physical drive, sdb1 is the partition on that drive.
[20:08] <bekks> MattShine: All you can do is creating a RAID0.
[20:09] <MattShine> bekks how can i create a raid0 on linux?
[20:09] <bekks> !raid | MattShine
[20:09] <Pici> bekks: or lvm
[20:09] <jhutchins> lvm also allows partitions to extend over multiple devices, but it's a Very Bad Idea.
[20:09] <bekks> Pici: Yeah.
[20:09] <Pici> jhutchins: Its not smart, but it works.
[20:09] <jhutchins> So is doing it with RAID.
[20:10] <jhutchins> Pici: Yeah, it's been possible since NT4, but not a good idea.
[20:11] <FesterJester> Anyone know how to parse the output from shred into something like YAD or Zenity?
[20:12] <MattShine> Bekks I can do this through installing unbuntu correct?
[20:12] <bekks> MattShine: You can do this in Ubuntu, and you can use it in Ubuntu only.
[20:14] <MattShine> Bekks btw in my bios i have a nvidea stripe array thai i have to disable in order to boot ubuntu any suggestions?
[20:16] <forgotmynick> does x11 set display resolution to the server or client?
[20:16] <dumnut> hi, when i dual boot, the slider is it left or right side the space for ubuntu?
[20:18] <FesterJester> @dumnut: always shrink windows partitions from the right to the left
[20:18] <naxil> cristian_c,
[20:19] <dumnut> hi FesterJester, so then if in 80g hard drive and i want windows to have 25g, i have 25g space on the left?
[20:19] <killer> hey , I was trying to chroot and make changes into the image , but then something funny happened and mouse in my 13.04 installation stopped working
[20:19] <wilee-nilee> dumnut, I would resize windows with its disk manager
[20:20] <killer> no clicks not even moving
[20:20] <FesterJester> @dumnut: if Windows is already installed, put ubuntu on the right and leave Windows on the left
[20:20] <Toaster_Strudel> what is the deal with the new ubuntu? How do I use this GUI?
[20:20] <Toaster_Strudel> all my windows get cut off from that thing on the left
[20:21] <jenson> is it possible to dualboot Ubuntu and windows 8.1 with Ubuntu being on a portable hard drive
[20:21] <Toaster_Strudel> oh and now my irssi window is maximized but not sure how to restore window
[20:21] <dumnut> hi wilee-nilee, thank-you for suggestion, but would it not be simpler to resize from ubuntu install disk? does that work ok?
[20:21] <wilee-nilee> jenson, yes but a portable will run slow if at all
[20:21] <Toaster_Strudel> oooh i see that part
[20:22] <FesterJester> @jenson: Look at a persistant live USB
[20:22] <dumnut> FesterJester: hmm, that is easy to follow direction, thank-you for help
[20:22] <Toaster_Strudel> how do we enable x on the cd rom? I need to install "guest additions"
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> dumnut, Yes it works, however on occasion people brick the windows this way, do you have a image/clone of windows?
[20:22] <Smrtz> MonkeyDust: "echo "export PATH=~/Builds/wgetpate2-2.23/wgetpaste
[20:22] <jenson> wilee-nilee i only have a 120 gb ssd in my laptop so i dont think its enough space for both
[20:22] <FesterJester> @dumnut: no problem
[20:23] <rawrmonster> Is there a way to have a sandbox for "risky software installs"?
[20:23] <dumnut> wilee-nilee: i will buy this computer used tomorrow so no clone. i will only use windows when i apply for telemartketing job and ha ve to use their softwares
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> dumnut, Sure however how do you feel on it being bricked and unusable? Like you wear a seatbelt when you drive, just in case there is an accident. image/clone the stuff or backup what you can't afford to loose.
[20:25] <Toaster_Strudel> rawrmonster: nothing is full proof, best take it offline
[20:25] <Toaster_Strudel> rawrmonster: but there is something called sandboxie
[20:26] <dumnut> wilee-nilee: hmm good idea to clone. so then i clone windows then partition using ubuntu install disk?
[20:27] <FesterJester> Anyone know how to parse the output from shred into something like YAD or Zenity?
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> dumnut, That works, If it were me I would resize with windows, for two reasons safer, and you reboot for the auto chkdsk run when it's resized, then boot ubuntu to install. The clone though is a good start, hjowever depending on the cloner you have a copy that has to go to the same size partition, so keep that in mind if it's before the resize.
[20:28] <QuantumRenegade> hi guys
[20:29] <QuantumRenegade> which is better in personal opinion 13.04 or 12.04 ?
[20:29] <wilee-nilee> QuantumRenegade, no polling here please
[20:29] <QuantumRenegade> k soz where would i be able to find out ?
[20:30] <dumnut> wilee-nilee: good suggestion. thank-you for your help.
[20:30] <wilee-nilee> QuantumRenegade, 12.04 has 5 years support 13.04 9 months, you have to consider your needs.
[20:30] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: everyone got another usecase. just make it clear if you want a stable release for the next 5 years or if you want to upgrade every half year
[20:30] <QuantumRenegade> i installed ver 13 .... and its seems its missing features that is in 12// is there a way for me to install those missing features ?
[20:31] <wilee-nilee> !details | QuantumRenegade
[20:31] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: depends on the features
[20:31] <FesterJester> @QuantumRenegade: 10.04 is better, but it is no longer supported or allowed to be talked about in these chats
[20:31] <QuantumRenegade> i see
[20:31] <QuantumRenegade> how does one enable the message in the launcher in unity ?
[20:31] <QuantumRenegade> or whats it called...
[20:32] <QuantumRenegade> *facebook / social network messageing
[20:32] <k1l_> FesterJester: dont do that
[20:32] <unknown98> wow
[20:32] <unknown98> pidgin!
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> FesterJester, You can tab complete nicks, and personal opinions sre subjective, and 10.04 the desktop is eol hardly relevant for bothe reasons
[20:32] <wilee-nilee> are*
[20:32] <FesterJester> My appologies
[20:32] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: sorry, i dont know what you mean. do you mean empathy or "friends" application?
[20:32] <killer> any helpp , how can  i reinstall or make my mouse work again
[20:32] <unknown98> why do you use facebook?  I don't get it
[20:32] <thnee> when using an alternative dekstop (awesome), opening magnet links in chrome with xdg-open does not open in deluge, even though gconf-editor says that it should
[20:33] <thnee> I tried running gnome-settings-daemon, but it didnt help. Any other daemons I should be running?
[20:33] <QuantumRenegade> whats the difference kil ?
[20:34] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: empathy is the multimessenger from gnome. for friends see : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/gwibber-not-in-ubuntu-13-04-install-friends
[20:34] <killer> I can't even google as mouse is not working
[20:34] <QuantumRenegade> is friends quite simliar than pidgin ?
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> killer, Is this a mouse that worked from the get go, have you tried it in another OS?
[20:35] <wilee-nilee> in other words is it still working at all
[20:36] <killer> wilee-nilee: It was working before I deleted some folder from /tmp
[20:36] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: empathy is more like pidgin (imho)
[20:36] <killer> It was working for last 5 months
[20:37] <eer> What is the exec command used for? I don't see any use.
[20:37] <QuantumRenegade> ah i knopw what i wanted to ask.... the lense for social networking
[20:37] <QuantumRenegade> is that enabled in ver 13 ?
[20:37] <unknown98> ccccccc
[20:37] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: there are 2 ubuntu versions a year. so there is 13.04 and 13.10
[20:37] <unknown98> I use xubuntu
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> killer, did it work without any special install to begin with, have you tried it on another OS to confirm it is not just broke, or maybe needs a battery if relevant.
[20:38] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: yes its enabled. you just need to set the online accounts in the system setting
[20:38] <k1l_> s
[20:38] <QuantumRenegade> crap i see... apologies... still new at ubuntu
[20:38] <QuantumRenegade> online accounts ?
[20:38] <k1l_> QuantumRenegade: see the system settings overview.
[20:39] <QuantumRenegade> ah got it tx
[20:39] <killer> wilee-nilee: I have fedora20 dual-booted and it is working fine in fedora
[20:39] <wilee-nilee> killer, this is after this incident?
[20:39] <QuantumRenegade> now i am more enlightemed :) even my cat is smiling
[20:40] <wilee-nilee> killer, read the questions you are not answering them.
[20:41] <killer> wilee-nilee: Fedora is installed for more than a week and It did not broke anything, and yes it worked without any special install
[20:42] <unknown98> fedora vs ubuntu
[20:43] <killer> wilee-nilee: further , now  ubuntu is displaying the incorrect time
[20:43] <killer> anyway to correct the time without mouse
[20:43] <unknown98> k
[20:43] <bekks> sure, sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[20:43] <wilee-nilee> killer, I can't help, sorry
[20:44] <nisstyre> bekks: theoretically you should only do that once at boot IIRC
[20:44] <eer> What is the exec command used for? I don't see any use.
[20:44] <killer> wilee-nilee: atleast , you can help me correct the time using terminal only
[20:44] <nisstyre> eer: it executes code
[20:44] <bekks> killer: I just told the command.
[20:44] <eer> so does just typing the program  name
[20:45] <rampageRipper> hi world,have anyone saved this page: books4electricians.blogspot.com?
[20:45] <MonkeyDust> rampageRipper  wrong channel
[20:47] <jhutchins> killer: Check your timezone.
[20:50] <rawrmonster> I am trying to install mplayer:i386 in ubuntu software center but it just keeps telling me that it has unmet dependences. How would i go about installing this package because i need 32bit mplayer for mss2 playback.
[20:50] <Ubuntivity> Hello everyone
[20:50] <nIc0> Hi
[20:52] <DeepBlue> Ubuntivity:  هلا وحودي
[20:53] <Ubuntivity> DeepBlue: pardon me??
[20:54] <DeepBlue> Ubuntivity: r u iraqi?
[20:54] <Ubuntivity> DeepBlue: are you?
[20:54] <DeepBlue> nope
[20:54] <k1l_> DeepBlue: please stick to technical ubuntu support in here.
[20:56] <Ubuntivity> DeepBlue: I think I know you
[20:57] <Ubuntivity> DeepBlue: and your IP obviously shows you are in Iraq :/
[20:58] <Pici> Ubuntivity: The message from k1l_ goes for everyone. If you two want to talk, take i to PM
[20:58] <MrDHat_> I have a live ubuntu 13.10 gnome usb. Everytime I click on continue for configuring custom partitions, the installer crashes.
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> MrDHat_, Can you imagebin a gparted screen shot and explain the partitioning your attempting?
[21:01] <wilee-nilee> MrDHat_, This a crash on choosing the something else option from the gui?
[21:01] <RedefinedClank> Hello, I just moved my computer to a spot where I can't get Ethernet, but now it continually asks for the WiFi password
[21:01] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Do you have more than one desktop?
[21:01] <RedefinedClank> I have one desktop
[21:01] <RedefinedClank> In this house, no one else has a desktop
[21:02] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, what ubuntu release? this the same wireless link?
[21:02] <RedefinedClank> 13.10
[21:02] <RedefinedClank> And I'm just trying to connect to my home network
[21:03] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Maybe the one there is wrong, remove it and sign in.
[21:03] <RedefinedClank> Ok
[21:03] <RedefinedClank> I just rebooted
[21:04] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, use nicks here you can tab complete them. Go to network seting and remove the password there and sign in.
[21:06] <RedefinedClank> Sorry, can't tab complete from a phone
[21:06] <RedefinedClank> And now my computer is getting stuck on grub
[21:06] <RedefinedClank> That's great
[21:07] <Ubuntivity> Hello, I have a weird ssh problem: I have 2 computers and 1 mobile. I can connect from any of them into any other except from mobile to a particular laptop! What can cause this?
[21:09] <jack> Ubuntivity, checked the netmask? and the ip's?
[21:09] <Ubuntivity> I quadriple checked the IPs!
[21:09] <chull> hi my husband is having a problem with his ubuntu 13.04 - it goes black periodically for no reason, and then comes back fine  -  is that video drivers or something else?
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: have you tried another ssh client on the mobile?
[21:10] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: I tried 2 clients
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> getting any particular errors?
[21:10] <jack> netmask is ok too?
[21:10] <Ubuntivity> the funny thing is that I can only connect from mobile through Laptop B into laptop A !
[21:11] <Ubuntivity> I get "EHOSTUNREACH" error
[21:11] <RedefinedClank> wilee-nilee its doing the same thing
[21:12] <geirha> chull: The power manager settings probably says to turn off screen after N minutes of inactivity
[21:12] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: can you ping from the mobile to the laptop? that error suggests networking issue
[21:12] <Ubuntivity> jack: pardon my silly question, but what exactly do you mean by netmask?
[21:12] <wilee-nilee> chull, A sreen saver is not installed, however the display will go black after a time period check the brightness and lock for the time off period.
[21:12] <chull> geirha, hmmm it's not really idle it does it while i'm typing
[21:13] <chull> wilee-nilee, it just did it before i finished that line
[21:13] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: I'm not sure how to ping from Android, but I CAN connect from mobile to the other Laptop (all of them are within 192.168.0.x)
[21:13] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Is this a password or wifi password needed?
[21:13] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys when im making a key in gpg, do i need to do something later like encrypt my private key or am i set as it is, after im done creating my key??
[21:13] <wilee-nilee> user password*
[21:14] <RedefinedClank> wilee-nilee WiFi password is needed
[21:14] <brucelee> how do i determine what versions of apache/mysql etc newest version of ubuntu comes with
[21:14] <Psil0Cybin> I am so confused i am on this site, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and it says you need to run a bunch of commands for encryption??
[21:14] <k1l_> brucelee: see packages.ubuntu.com
[21:14] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Did you remove the one there from network setting then login with the correct one?
[21:14] <geirha> chull: That's odd. Never heard of such symptoms before.
[21:14] <RedefinedClank> wilee-nilee, yep
[21:15] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Not sure never had this persist on my setup.
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: is there a service running from the laptop that you cant connect to that you can access from the mobile directly? (samba hare or whatever)
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> share*
[21:15] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: Its a fresh install, I didn't install anything weird other than openssh-server
[21:16] <brucelee> k1l_: thanks
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: what is the ips of the 2 laptops and phones?
[21:16] <chull> geirha, hmm now we all have. ideas?
[21:17] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: all within 192.168.0.x
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Isn't there a auto login tick in the network manager in unity?
[21:17] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: can you tell me the 3 ips tho
[21:17] <brucelee> looks like everyone is still using 2.4
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> I use the shell so my network settings is a different gui
[21:17] <RedefinedClank> wilee-nilee, what did you say? My irc client derped out
[21:17] <Ubuntivity> 105, 110, 140
[21:17] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: 105, 110, 140
[21:17] <wilee-nilee> RedefinedClank, Isn't there a auto login tick in the network manager in unity?
[21:18] <MrDHat_> wilee-nilee: Looks like it wasn't crashing it just got moved to another display
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> network settings rather*
[21:18] <hitsujiTMO> ubuntivity: can you ping the phone from both laptops?
[21:18] <MrDHat_> But the funny thing is that I do not have any other display connected to my laptop :|
[21:18] <confoundedpangol> Hey guys.. quick question.
[21:18] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: sorry I made a mistake, not 140 but 195
[21:18] <RedefinedClank> Can't find one nilee-wilee
[21:18] <Ubuntivity> I'll try pinging now
[21:18] <wilee-nilee> MrDHat_, works now?
[21:19] <MrDHat_> wilee-nilee: That means, gnome is detecting a display which does not exist!
[21:19] <confoundedpangol> What are the possible reasons something would something work in the shell interpreter, but not as an executable script?
[21:19] <MrDHat_> wilee-nilee: No
[21:19] <unknown98> O:-)
[21:19] <k1l_> confoundedpangol: fullpaths
[21:19] <MrDHat_> wilee-nilee: Is there a way I can disable a secondary monitor via CLI?
[21:19] <confoundedpangol> an executable bash script that is..
[21:20] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: I CAN'T ping the mobile from the affected laptop :/ what can cause that?
[21:20] <wilee-nilee> MrDHat_ a bit of a confusing description, mixed with your own theory and no question answering, not sure what is really going on to be honest.
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: can you ping from the other laptop?
[21:21] <geirha> chull: Not sure where to start looking. I guess booting the Ubuntu 13.04 Desktop cd/dvd/usb, choose to "try ubuntu", and then see if the blanking happens then as well
[21:21] <confoundedpangol> @kll - The commands aren't directory related. For instance..  history -c && history -w (to clear the .bash_history) works in the interpreter, but not as a script. (12.04)
[21:21] <wilee-nilee> !tab | confoundedpangol
[21:21] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: Yes I can ping from the other laptop normally
[21:22] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: which of the 3 ips is the mobile?
[21:22] <chull> i'll get him to test with a cd .. could it be hardware, like a capacitor discharing?
[21:22] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: 195
[21:22] <geirha> chull: I guess it could be related to the graphics card, either hardware or software, or it could be some bug in one of the running program that makes it send signals to blank the screen.
[21:23] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: it was 140 first but I changed it when I was trying to get the problem fixed, and you can see it still isn't.
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> ubuntivity: not netmask then.
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: is there a firewall up on the laptop?
[21:24] <confoundedpangol> ubottu - yup, But again, the command doesn't pass an argument containing a path. Nor does it have to be invoked while in a certain directory. If someone wants to try.. give it a go.
[21:24] <confoundedpangol> $ history -c && history -w
[21:24] <confoundedpangol> works to clear bash history
[21:24] <geirha> chull: If it is anything like that, then the live session should have the same symptom
[21:24] <confoundedpangol> but
[21:24] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: Probably the firewall allows ssh connection since I CAN connect to it from the other laptop
[21:24] <wylde> confoundedpangol, a missing shebang '#/bin/bash' as the leading line would prevent it from working.
[21:24] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: *apparently rather that 'probably'
[21:24] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: disable the firewall completely and test again.
[21:25] <confoundedpangol> wylde - checked that too.. other commands work fine.. just the history clearing doesn't.
[21:25] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: how can I disable it?
[21:25] <confoundedpangol> I just responded to a bot. <dammit>
[21:25] <hitsujiTMO> did you enable a firewall? (ufw, iptables)
[21:26] <apb1963> Since discussion of backup solutions is off-topic here, I've created a new channel ##backup  - please feel free to join.  At the moment, I'm wondering if anyone is using a cloud service that syncs data - I ask because I'm confused about the one I'm using and have questions...
[21:27] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: I didn't, its a fresh install.
[21:27] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: but can I be sure it is not enabled by default?
[21:27] <JoeN0Ob281> hi yall.  I've been googling around, but can't seem to find an answer.  I recently built and set up a NAS for myself and today I added a PCIe Gigabit ethernet card, but the box won't boot with it plugged in
[21:28] <JoeN0Ob281> it works fine using a live image
[21:28] <minimec> MrDHat__: "Is there a way I can disable a secondary monitor via CLI?" Example: 'xrandr --output VGA --off'. Typing xrandr only gives you an overview about available 'outputs'
[21:28] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: ubuntu does not enable one by default
[21:28] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: Then they are disabled! What else should I check?
[21:29] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: i would start with the router/wifi settings. seem to be a networking issue if both ssh and icmp are not working.
[21:29] <hitsujiTMO> !op | apb1963 Please refrain from advertising channels in here
[21:30] <hitsujiTMO> that should have been !ot, woops
[21:31] <nisstyre> c
[21:31] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: what confuses me is that the other laptop has a good connection to both devices, like it is being in the middle, while in fact they are all in the same local network!
[21:31] <freeedom> ciao
[21:32] <freeedom> !lista
[21:32] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: and as I said earlier, I can ssh from mobile into Laptop B, and through that I ssh (actually from Laptop B) into Laptop A, getting Laptop A on ssh in my mobile but only through Laptop B
[21:34] <Ubuntivity> But I need to find what kind of 'barrier' exist between Laptop A and Mobile!
[21:34] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: yes i understand that. but its not allowing you any networking between laptop a and the mobile. have you tried changing the ip of A?
[21:34] <k1l_> Ubuntivity: the router
[21:34] <k1l_> Ubuntivity: maybe the router only fowards to one laptop from outside the lan
[21:35] <^Mike> do-release-upgrade has a --sandbox option to "test upgrade with aufs overlay" -- does that actually work? :O
[21:35] <Ubuntivity> k1l_: my mobile is INSIDE the line, I use its Wifi connection.
[21:35] <k1l_> Ubuntivity: hmm
[21:35] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: No I didn't.
[21:36] <larry_> Hi, I just upgraded from 13.04 to 13.10, and now my sound doesn't work. I've done some research about it, and I have tried different suggestions listed there, but I still can't get it working. Any help would be great
[21:36] <k1l_> !sound | larry_
[21:37] <larry_> Well, that's the first problem. The volume applet doesn't show up.
[21:37] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: your router maybe set up with some sort of network blocking to the specific ip from a previous setup
[21:37] <OerHeks> larry, try to reset pulseaudio by removing the ~/.pulseaudio folder
[21:37] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: to the Laptop A IP you mean, right?
[21:38] <Xuorx> bonsoir tout le monde j'ai un petit problème
[21:38] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: yes, change ip of a
[21:38] <hitsujiTMO> Ubuntivity: even swap a and b
[21:38] <OerHeks> !fr | Xuorx bonsoir
[21:38] <larry_> OerHeks: I don't have a hidden pulse audio folder, either...
[21:39] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: I wouldn't want to change Laptop B IP, that will mess up my whole network setup. But I'll try to change Laptop B IP when possible (although I doubt it is being blocked, since I can connect to it from Laptop B)
[21:39] <Ubuntivity> hitsujiTMO: I wouldn't want to change Laptop B IP, that will mess up my whole network setup. But I'll try to change Laptop A IP when possible (although I doubt it is being blocked, since I can connect to it from Laptop B)
[21:41] <Adam-85> Hi, I have problem with fstab flush option and get message Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE
[21:41] <Xuorx> hello guy, i have got a problem, my mouse disapear when i play a game .. Can you help me
[21:41] <Adam-85> library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated
[21:41] <Adam-85> FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at
[21:41] <Adam-85> http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged"
[21:42] <hitsujiTMO> Xuorx: mouse disapearing is normal for most games, what game is it?
[21:43] <Xuorx> alpha test of prison architect
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> Xuorx: its an issue with the game itself, it uses its own cursor
[21:44] <Xuorx> when i left the game, on unity, i must be disconnet USB mouse for see it again
[21:45] <Adam-85> Hi, I have problem with fstab flush option and get message " Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE
[21:45] <Adam-85> library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated
[21:45] <Adam-85> FUSE support and make it setuid root. Please see more information at
[21:45] <FourFire> Holy crap Empathy doesnt have a hide join & parts
[21:45] <Adam-85> http://tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-faq/#unprivileged "
[21:45] <hitsujiTMO> Xuorx: sounds like the game is not closing down propperly either. these are issues that you have to deal with when you are using an unfinished product
[21:46] <aben>  /msg NickServ aben jexchat
[21:46] <jack> FourFire, using empathy for irc....nuts
[21:46] <Xuorx> ok i must be patient for another release ?
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> Xuorx: most likely, would be a good thing to check their support to see if others are having similar issues
[21:47] <Xuorx> ok thank you so much hitsujiTM0
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> Xuorx: fastest way to get it fixed is to report the bug to the developer
[21:48] <FourFire> jack its the default client on 12.04 and I\m on a stick install
[21:48] <OerHeks> aben time to change password
[21:49] <OerHeks> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#changepass
[21:49] <FourFire> is there a channel for formatting hard drives on this net_
[21:49] <FourFire> argh my keyboard is the wrong format too )
[21:52] <dentboy> Boa noite ha aqui algum entendido em sony las vegas
[21:52] <dentboy> preciso mesmo de ajuda
[21:52] <wilee-nilee> FourFire, No channel for HD formatting, we can help you here. Describe the wrong keyboard problem.
[21:53] <wilee-nilee> dentboy, English?
[21:53] <FourFire> nah keyboard issue is just because I havn\t downloaded my region for this portable install
[21:53] <k1l_> !pt | dentboy
[21:53] <FourFire> ok so I have situation> 2 disk partitions
[21:54] <FourFire> one of them is old windows with lots of space, NFTS and some files i want to keep
[21:54] <FourFire> the other is Ubuntu, ext4, and too small
[21:54] <wilee-nilee> FourFire, Can you take a screenshot of gparted and imagebin it?
[21:54] <dentboy> yes
[21:55] <FourFire> I\m on this computer booted from an USB Ubuntu, same version as installed on the HD 12.04
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> FourFire, This a partition resize or a install
[21:55] <k1l_> FourFire: i prefer windows to shrink their partitions on their own. after that i would use a livesystem with gparted to extend the ubuntu partition
[21:55] <wilee-nilee> same here
[21:55] <FourFire> rresize
[21:56] <FourFire> I want to keep the files though so I probably need atleast two seperate operations
[21:56] <FourFire> one to reduce the disk size as much as possible
[21:56] <FourFire> then manually transfer the files over to Ubuntu side
[21:56] <FourFire> then resize away the rest of the space and add to Ubuntu portion
[21:56] <k1l_> FourFire: like i said. windows got own tools to shrink their partitions.
[21:56] <FourFire> there is one last issue
[21:56] <qdtjo> what is required to change ownership of a file?
[21:57] <Ubuntivity> qdtjo: root permission
[21:57] <FourFire> the drive is sortof old and has exactly 200 Bad blocks
[21:57] <k1l_> qdtjo: chown
[21:57] <qdtjo> Ubuntivity: why?
[21:57] <FourFire> so I need to do something to prevent those being included
[21:57] <Ubuntivity> sudo chown
[21:57] <k1l_> FourFire: you should make a backup anyway
[21:57] <qdtjo> I dont have sudo access.
[21:58] <delimax> FourFire: preclude.
[21:58] <k1l_> qdtjo: depends on the file and the location if root rights are needed
[21:58] <wylde> qdtjo, if you own the files you don't need root perms
[21:58] <minimec> FourFire: And if you decided to backup the files you need and format the whole partition to ext4 and set it as your new /home in /etc/fstab? In case you don't need that windows installation anymore.
[21:58] <dentboy> does anyone here understand something of sony las vegas
[21:58] <qdtjo> k1l_: it was dropped by another user into my ~ directory
[21:59] <FourFire> k1l_: infortunately doing anything from the windows side would be impossible... unless I could make a USB bootable with it, but I don\t have a spacre 8GB one
[21:59] <k1l_> dentboy: this is a ubuntu support channel. is this related to ubuntu support?
[22:00] <qdtjo> wylde: so owning the directory its in doesnt count?
[22:00] <wylde> qdtjo, then you'll need them to chown it or use sudo unless their user and your user are in the same group and you both have them group perms.
[22:00] <k1l_> qdtjo: see the rights of that file with "ls -al file" while beeing in that folder
[22:00] <wylde> qdtjo, if you ls -la the directory, who owns the file?
[22:00] <Gallomimia> can someone suggest software or procedures to use to get separate logins on each of two monitors, so as to facilitate running two copies of steam with full screen games inside??
[22:01] <UrielVigilant> Good night , thank you very very much, thank , thank you to you all .  Please someone put this "past" on internet to everyone could see how its possible to put Epson sx 130 Scanner working easilly on  Ubuntu 13.10 ,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6291630/
[22:01] <UrielVigilant> this come from my own experience froma clean install !
[22:01] <k1l_> UrielVigilant: put it into the ubuntu wiki :)
[22:01] <mojtaba> Hi, Does anybody know why ubuntu tweak is not working well in ubuntu 13.10? Do you know what should I do?
[22:01] <UrielVigilant> With your hel.
[22:02] <Elliot_> Hey
[22:02] <wylde> Gallomimia, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX
[22:02] <qdtjo> wylde: I own that dir
[22:02] <UrielVigilant> k1l: i will try ti , so . thanks once again !
[22:02] <k1l_> mojtaba: ask the ubuntu-tweak guys. its 3rd party software
[22:02] <wylde> qdtjo, the file itself
[22:02] <qdtjo> wylde: another user owns the file.
[22:02] <mojtaba> k1l_: Do you know how can I ask them?
[22:03] <wylde> qdtjo, try  chowning it, I'm betting it's not going to not allow it. Unless, like I mentioned your user and the other user are in the same group with the same group permissions.
[22:04] <Elliot_> I'm new to Ubuntu, but whenever I try to install something I get the message: lyut@Lyut:~$ sudo apt-get install weechat Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: The following packages have unmet dependencies.  weechat : Depends: weechat-curses (>= 0.4.2~stable+20131006~saucy1) but it is not going to be installed  zamier
[22:04] <k1l_> mojtaba: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-tweak
[22:04] <Elliot_> Anybody know what's wrong?
[22:04] <mojtaba> k1l_: ok, thanks
[22:04] <Gallomimia> wylde thank you thats incredibly helpful
[22:05] <k1l_> Elliot_: do you have PPAs active?
[22:05] <wylde> Gallomimia, you're welcome :)
[22:05] <Elliot_> Then it when I run apt-get -f install, I get Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13:permission denied)
[22:05] <Elliot_> Uh PPAs?
[22:06] <FourFire> that image host is being picky
[22:06] <jakemp> when I press the super key, the menu is opening behind existing windows.
[22:06] <geirha> Elliot_: permission denied because you're not running it as root (e.g. with sudo)
[22:06] <jakemp> That's not super useful.
[22:06] <k1l_> Elliot_: 3rd party software or 3rd party software sources. see "ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d"
[22:06] <qdtjo> wylde: nope chown: changing ownership of ‘myfile’: Operation not permitted
[22:06] <Elliot_> Ahh I see thanks ^^
[22:06] <FourFire> @sudo fsck -t ext4 -l bad-blocks-result /dev/sda1@ yeah unfortunately I dont have a spare drive for that, otherwise I would have simply done so
[22:07] <wylde> qdtjo, then either the file owner has to modify the permissions or a user with sudo access has to.
[22:07] <qdtjo> too bad.. thanks.
[22:07] <FourFire> this problem is solved in two weeks when I can afford to buy an external drive and fix it, but I\m wondering whether It can be fixed without it
[22:07] <FourFire> Hey if I learn something from the process thats good right?
[22:08] <wylde> FourFire, always :)
[22:08] <k1l_> FourFire: honestly, on an old drive with already some (or alot) badblocks i would not change anything without having a backup
[22:09] <qdtjo> wylde: other user is getting the same error.
[22:10] <aknagi> I have a machine running ubuntu in my bedroom that has movies. Can I watch those movies on my stock xbox 360 in the living room?
[22:10] <FourFire> k1l then I wait two weeks and backup and try to do it the hard way nyway ;)
[22:10] <FourFire> thanks guys
[22:12] <wylde> qdtjo, hmmm, then it looks like you'll need an admin to look after it. Perhaps you'll at least get access to the file if just chmod it. DOn't do this to other files just this one so you can get a working copy. Have them 'chmod 0777 filename' make a copy for yourself to work with. Should work.
[22:12] <system_> hi, hope this is the right place for support ... need help, no email. upgraded to 13.10. Cant start ubuntu graphically. Can to terminal. Running in low graphics mode. Possble to revert to 13.04?
[22:13] <qdtjo> wylde: I was thinking of something similar 'cat hisfile > myfile'
[22:13] <bekks> system_: Not without reinstalling or restoring your backup
[22:13] <k1l_> system_: no, no revert possible.
[22:13] <Gallomimia> system_: easier to recover files and reinstall, or fix it
[22:13] <k1l_> system_: which video card and which driver (installed from where?)
[22:13] <wylde> qdtjo, if you can read the file then yes that should work as well.
[22:14] <Elliot_> How do I get rid of the EULA on Terminal when it just has <OK> at the bottom?
[22:14] <Elliot_> T_T
[22:14] <hitsujiTMO> Elliot_: hit tab?
[22:15] <Elliot_> Oh right
[22:15] <Elliot_> sorry ahah
[22:15] <Elliot_> I'm brand new to this
[22:15] <vlt> aknagi: You can setup your Ubuntu machine to act as a file server. If there’s a network connection to the XBox and you find out which type of file server it can use there should be no problem.
[22:15] <hitsujiTMO> Elliot_: yeah that one caught me before too
[22:15] <Gabboz> Hi. Ubuntu 12.04.  How can I launch the startup applications program from the command line?  I looked in /usr/share/applications but couldn't see anything relevant.  Thanks.
[22:15] <Elliot_> Does anybody know any good beginner tutorials for Ubuntu?
[22:16] <bekks> !beginners
[22:16] <bekks> hmm
[22:16] <bekks> !beginner
[22:16] <bekks> HMMM.
[22:16] <Gallomimia> Gabboz which startup applications?
[22:16] <FloodBot1> bekks: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:16] <xangua> !manual | Elliot_
[22:16] <Gabboz> Gallomimia, suppose I type startup in unity and it shows startup applications... that one :)
[22:16] <vlt> really, bekks, come on, don’t always flood! ;-)
[22:17] <Gabboz> Elliot_, people on youtube have added some good tutorials too
[22:17] <bekks> vlt: I do not regret :D
[22:17] <aknagi> vlt: That's the bit I'm missing. It can work from a Windows7 box, but I don't know how to replicate this on Ubunutu (or even if it's possible).
[22:17] <system_> card is unichrome pro, s3/ati blve. Dont know drivers, ubuntu ones thou. have installed fglrx stuff (hope ok)  looked on forums, tried lots.
[22:18] <vlt> aknagi: You can access files that are stored on a Windows 7 machine from your XBox already?
[22:18] <k1l_> system_: :/ unichrome pro is a very very very difficult issue. fglrx is not the right driver
[22:18] <aknagi> vlt: I don't think so.
[22:19] <vlt> aknagi: Then I didn’t understand what you’re doing with that Windows 7 machine.
[22:19] <darkangel> *Curious* Just woundering is when is CubeCraft Game in software center gonna be fixed?
[22:20] <k1l_> darkangel: best is to file a bug. only hoping will not help
[22:20] <darkangel> ok
[22:20] <aknagi> vlt: It's possible to do from Windows Media Player by clicking a few menu options.
[22:20] <vlt> aknagi: But ... *what* is possible?
[22:21] <aknagi> vlt: Watch videos stored on a windows 7 box in one room, on a xbox360 stored in another room.
[22:21] <system_> are there any generic drivers for unichrome? dont need anything clever.
[22:22] <vlt> aknagi: That’s what I tried to ask: You can access files that are stored on a Windows 7 machine from your XBox already?
[22:22] <vlt> aknagi: Aaah no
[22:22] <vlt> aknagi: It’s the other way round, I see.
[22:22] <aknagi> vlt: I don't have a windows 7 box.
[22:23] <vlt> aknagi: Or not? You used the word "stored" twice.
[22:23] <wessly> what is the easyest way to change a translation from en to my language?
[22:23] <UrielVigilant> k1l: to publish my experience on WIki, i have to click on attachments ?
[22:23] <aknagi> vlt: Sorry that was confusing. :  Watch videos stored on a windows 7 box in one room, on a xbox360 in another room.
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> aknagi, try ##windows that bis all MS stuff
[22:24] <wilee-nilee> is*
[22:24] <vlt> aknagi: Ok, then I think they’re propably using the “SMB” protocol and you can install and setup a “Samba” server on Ubuntu to provide files to the XBox.
[22:25] <vlt> wilee-nilee: No, he’s looking for samba, I think.
[22:25] <Untzy> Dear Sir(s) and/or Madam(s)
[22:25] <aknagi> vlt: Ok thanks.
[22:25] <wilee-nilee> vlt, read the responses
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> W7 to xbox in microsoft
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> vbox*
[22:26] <zandm7> Hey guys, so if I make a persistent USB flash drive for Ubuntu, will the screen resolution "mold" to the display if I switch computers? Like, if I boot it on a 1366x768 display and then later boot it on a 1920x1080, will it be all effed up or will the resolution change depending on what display it's on?
[22:26] <Multbrelch> hitsujiTMO, thx again for yesterdays help (WLAN interuption, athos compilation), my cards works perfectly
[22:26] <Untzy> I new to linux but dont know which dist I should start with. Some people says Linux Mint and some Ubuntu, any recommandtions?
[22:26] <hitsujiTMO> Multbrelch: np at all
[22:26] <Untzy> I am*
[22:26] <system_> btw, i did a reinstall, no diff. can i load 13.04 from 13.10 terminal session?
[22:26] <vlt> zandm7: No.
[22:26] <Gallomimia> untzy i definitely recommend ubuntu
[22:26] <wilee-nilee> Untzy, This is ubuntu support not polling
[22:26] <vlt> zandm7: It will adapt.
[22:26] <Gallomimia> but i know knothing about it
[22:26] <k1l_> Untzy: ubuntu. and dont irc as root
[22:26] <Chardot> Hi. I'm looking for instructions on how to install Ubuntu on my Mac, booting from my external hard drive. Have anyone done this?
[22:27] <UrielVigilant> please how to publish a solution for something on WIKI, iam already loged in .
[22:27] <zandm7> OK good, thanks vlt!
[22:27] <Ubuntivity> Untzy: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:27] <hitsujiTMO> vlt, aknagi: xbox 360 recieves dlna streams not samba
[22:27] <vlt> zandm7: Or rather: it *should*
[22:27] <aknagi> hitsujiTMO: Thanks. That's enough for me to go on :)
[22:27] <zandm7> Haha OK I'll test it out and see if it does. If I have any problems I'll just come back here. Thanks again vlt
[22:28] <uruloke> Hey guys i have this strange problem with workspaces in 13.10, i switch between all four, but i can only move the program i have open betwen the left and the right workspace, not the up or down workspace :/
[22:28] <vlt> hitsujiTMO: Thanks :-)
[22:28] <InsaneGene> guys I am trying to install packages and this is what I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/6291742/
[22:29] <oblivian> #
[22:29] <oblivian> # weechat.conf -- weechat v0.4.0
[22:29] <oblivian> #
[22:29] <k1l_> !rootirc | Untzy
[22:29] <rel82me> I can't believe how STABLE Ubunut is!!
[22:29] <rel82me> CONVERT FROM WINDOWS!!
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> InsaneGene, http://askubuntu.com/questions/30072/how-do-i-fix-a-problem-with-mergelist-or-status-file-could-not-be-parsed-err has a relevant answer.
[22:29] <rel82me> eeehhhaaaww!!
[22:29] <FloodBot1> rel82me: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:29] <Untzy> Thanks for the info
[22:30] <minimec> uruloke: how would you move them? With the keyboard or the mouse? with the keyboard it would be <ctrl><alt>left/right/up/down
[22:30] <rel82me> anyone care to share a best list of unbuntu software?
[22:31] <uruloke> minimec: sorry i meant with the keyboard with <ctrl><alt> i can only do left and right not up and down
[22:31] <InsaneGene> TheLordOfTime, like magic, thanx
[22:31] <minimec> uruloke: i have to correct myself <ctrl><alt><shift>left/right/up/down
[22:31] <xangua> rel82me: webup8 and omgubuntu website has sections of them
[22:31] <uruloke> minimec: i know what u meant, but yeah i use the keyboard and it only works siteways
[22:31] <TheLordOfTime> InsaneGene, you're welcome.
[22:32] <minimec> uruloke: ok. And <super>s gives you the 4 desktops on two lines...
[22:33] <Gabboz> Hi. Ubuntu 12.04.  How can I launch the "startup applications" program from the command line?  I looked in /usr/share/applications but couldn't see anything relevant.  Thanks.
[22:33] <uruloke> minimec: yes <super>s works like it should, it gives the 2x2 display
[22:34] <UrielVigilant> I should belong to a team to be able to create a new webpage on wiki, explaining how i have installed scanner Epson sx130 on Ubuntu13.10 with your help of course ?
[22:34] <minimec> uruloke: Have a look in the <keyboard<shortcuts menu, under 'Navigation'. The shortcuts should be listed there.
[22:34] <Gabboz> I think I found it..  gnome-session-properties
[22:36] <noiro> Can someone help me with xchat? My chat cursor is thick and replaces letters I"m hovering over with letters I type. I think I hit a shortcut but not sure which one
[22:36] <minimec> uruloke: Do you have the unity tweak tool installed?
[22:36] <uruloke> minimec: oh just booted the ubuntu 13.10 up and another problem came too lol :D it doesn't turn my screen on after having it on suspend
[22:37] <uruloke> minimec: not anymore, but i had in the start
[22:37] <minimec> uruloke: Just use the 'brightness' key...
[22:37] <vlt> noiro: Try the ins key.
[22:38] <noiro> vlt: Thanks. Must have accidentally mashed it
[22:38] <system_> can i load a usbdrive with ubtu 13.04 from a terminal seesion?
[22:39] <uruloke> minimec: doesn't work, it's not the light, there is simply no power at all in my screen. and oh can see in navigation that somehow it it bound to shift+super+page+up instead
[22:39] <minimec> uruloke: Well the unity tweak tool does some changes sometimes, that you can only 'undo' with the tweak tool itself or the 'ccsm' conpiz config manager. That might have influenced the desktop settings.
[22:40] <dtcrshr> is there any ubuntu / linux alternative that does what bsplayer does to find for itself subtitles on the web, browsing opensubtitles.org and some other sites with subs?
[22:40] <xangua> dtcrshr: the default movie player, totem, does
[22:40] <uruloke> minimec: ah thanks for the help minimec, it works now.
[22:41] <vlt> system_: Yes. Just write the iso file directly to the drive (not the file system that might be on the drive)
[22:41] <minimec> uruloke: the screen or the desktops?
[22:41] <uruloke> minimec: the workspaces
[22:41] <dtcrshr> thanks xangua
[22:41] <dtcrshr> do I have to install a plugin or something?
[22:42] <system_> thx vlt, how do i write the iso file directly to the drive? is there a command i can lookup?
[22:43] <vlt> system_: cat, dd, ddrescue, ...
[22:43] <uruloke> minimec: still have to force shutdown after closing the computer with suspend, sorry for wrong info before, there is power in the screen, but there is no picture at all, just totally black. i canøt take the light up.
[22:44] <vlt> system_: Check that there’s no file system currently mounted (in read/write mode) while you write to the raw device.
[22:45] <minimec> uruloke: In that state... can you switch to a console with <ctrl><alt>F1 and back with <alt>F7 ?
[22:45] <CoJaBo> How do I find out when the patch for this bug will reach the version of PHP for Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l?  https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=63176
[22:47] <uruloke> minimec: nope doesn't work
[22:47] <uruloke> minimec: the screen just keep being totally black and doesn't react to anything
[22:49] <minimec> uruloke: Did 'resume' work on previous installations? Maybe switch back to that kernel?
[22:50] <uruloke> minimec: hmm yes it did, gonna try switch kernel tommorow, gotta go sleep now. thanks for the help mimimec, i appreciate it alot
[22:57] <anonymous> hi
[22:58] <Guest67730> hi
[22:58] <Guest67730> is any alive?
[22:58] <SDr> hey ubuntu people, how can I see what, specifically, is using portmap?
[22:58] <SDr> and bonus points: are there any specific reasons portmap should be running at any given time
[22:58] <SDr> ?
[23:03] <wilee-nilee> SDr, you can have the irc app sign you in with your registered nick.
[23:03] <tking0036> Can you guys help me? Im running 12.04 with the latest upstream libcurl and curl.. I try to crawl a https:// page and it says https not supported
[23:03] <tking0036> if I do curl -V SSL is listed
[23:03] <aeon-ltd> wild guess. it needs TLS?
[23:04] <SDr> wilee-nilee, mine already does that, via nickserv magic ^.^
[23:04] <tking0036> aeon-ltd: I vaguely know what that is, does that come with the upstream version?
[23:04] <wilee-nilee> SDr, Heh, sure does not look like it 2 nicks getting there.
[23:05] <wilee-nilee> maybe I error here though
[23:05] <aeon-ltd> tking0036: no idea
[23:05] <aeon-ltd> it was just a guess
[23:05] <tking0036> aeon-ltd: It has tls
[23:06] <tking0036> whats odd is that I crawl 2 https pages that work
[23:06] <tking0036> and then get the links off of that page
[23:06] <tking0036> and they are https links
[23:06] <tking0036> and the individual links dont work
[23:08] <Trollinator> I honestly couldn't have thought of a better way for Mark Shuttlework to prove he's a dickhead than the blog post he recently wrote.
[23:09] <tking0036> It may have something to do with the way the bash script works
[23:09] <tking0036> because it works by hand
[23:10] <bekks> Oh, a troll out there. Ignore set.
[23:11] <Trollinator> I'm not the one who called the wayland developers a tea party.
[23:12] <nickgaw> Hi, What command can I run from ssh to update to the next version of ubuntu? I tried do-release-update but that failed so I restored to my earlier backup and am trying to do the upgrade over ssh.
[23:12] <bekks> nickgaw: "that failed" - how?
[23:13] <nickgaw> well I am totally blind and use the orca screen reader but when I finished the upgrade and logd in orca did not start after I logd in I am on gnome classic should this matter?
[23:13] <nickgaw> dpkg-reconfigure failed on some packages and update-manager I can't navigate with the keyboard.
[23:15] <nickgaw> is it possible to perform the update using the new ubuntu DVD?
[23:16] <Elliot_> I can't seem to connect my phone to my computer because It pops up saying 'Trust this computer?' and after I press trust it continues to pop up, After reading a bit, someone said that it relies on iTunes to be trusted... Is there any way around this?
[23:16] <seronis> Q: been getting gpu lockups in xorg since 13.10 update somewhat randomly. what exactly can i do to help get the new bug fixed ?
[23:16] <tinman> what options are available if i want to monitor network traffic? (KB usage.) my network consists of linux/windows PCs and android devices.
[23:16] <jakemp> Any ideas why fullscreen youtube video and the Ubuntu start menu(I forget the name)  appear behind any windows I have open>
[23:17] <tinman> and 2 routers
[23:18] <Thalheim> tinman, you can set up a proxy server on your local network, and route all traffic through that
[23:18] <tinman> you might have enabled the window view to always on top (in browser or file manager or whatever it is thats always on top)
[23:18] <tinman> Thalheim,  what do you suggest? i was thinking maybe pfsense. i tried nagios but thats not what its for i guess
[23:19] <tinman> if it must be a standalone system, all i have is a Duron 900 w/ RAM and IDE HDD
[23:19] <seronis> tinman, the network stats used in DD-WRT what you're looking for?
[23:19] <tinman> thats all i got to dedicate to this if it cant run on one of the existing systems
[23:20] <tinman> i need something that my roomate can open and see the traffic usage for the entire network in real time and understand without an IT degree
[23:20] <Thalheim> tinman, you can run it on a raspberry pi, even. pfsense is great if you're using it on a medium sized home network or larger
[23:20] <Thalheim> or to learn
[23:20] <tinman> sounds good
[23:21] <seronis> the bandwidth monitoring tab in ddwrt shows live dataq
[23:22] <tinman> flashing the firmware is a little more risk than im willing to take
[23:23] <seronis> your call. it wasnt any more difficult to install on my routers than rooting my phone
[23:23] <nickgaw> should I do do-release-upgrade -m desktop as this is a system running X?
[23:23] <tinman> i have $0 and no room for error
[23:24] <schultza> are there currently any bugs to worry about with the new ubuntu 13.10 (especially with upgrading from 13.04)?
[23:24] <schultza> and is there a unique testing branch that has a rolling release for ubuntu?
[23:24] <ausxxh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6291976/  only saw this on my ubuntu 12.04 64b laptop, not on desktop, which is really odd
[23:24] <nickgaw> does ubuntu have paid or remote support?
[23:25] <seronis> schultza, my laptop has started getting a couple random gpu lockups a day
[23:25] <ausxxh> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/main amd64 Packages [1,640 kB]
[23:25] <ausxxh> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com precise/main amd64 Packages           404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.14 80]
[23:25] <swift110_> hello all
[23:25] <tinman> i've seen a lot of failed upgrades. if your on a laptop, there is bug with closing the lid casuing the system to sleep, regardless of settings. the fix is a manual rewrite of a config file
[23:25] <ausxxh> the first line seems OK, why the second line errs? they're duplicated?
[23:25] <schultza> ouch
[23:25] <swift110_> anybody know of a good weather app
[23:25] <ausxxh> sources.list is the default
[23:25] <schultza> yes... thats important.. the two computers on 13.04 are laptops.. sigh
[23:26] <ausxxh> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.14 80]
[23:26] <ausxxh> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[23:26] <ausxxh> this has been persistent for months
[23:26] <tinman> run it again, it might have just timed out
[23:26] <tinman> nevermind then
[23:27] <ausxxh> the URL is actually valid, my other 12.04 worked fine, and more strangely, it downloaded the amd64 main packages already?
[23:27] <swift110_> I miss Ubuntu 10.10
[23:28] <schultza> what was unique about 10.10?
[23:29] <ausxxh> compared sources.list between desktop and laptop, identical, works on desktop without issues, but not on the laptop???
[23:30] <nickgaw> basically my issue is when I upgrade to ubuntu 13.10 from 13.04 dpkg dies with some packages but the rest of the cleanup works fine and I am able to do the reboot after the do-release-upgrade script should I run it with the -m desktop option?
[23:31] <tinman> ausxxh,  actually, i remeber having that problem myself.   i was never able to get it fixed. the people in here kept telling me to remove my PPAs but i didnt have any PPAs added
[23:31] <swift110_> schultza, It used Gnome 2
[23:31] <Ubuntivity> hello world
[23:31] <tinman> hi
[23:31] <swift110_> and was familiar to me since thats what I learned Linux on
[23:32] <Denyerec> If I ask about VMWare shared folders in Ubuntu 13.10 am I going to be told to go to #vmware ?
[23:32] <tinman> whats the question Denyerec?
[23:32] <Denyerec> "They don't work" :)
[23:33] <Denyerec> VMWare tools installed
[23:33] <Denyerec> Shared folder created
[23:33] <Denyerec> Machine rebooted
[23:33] <FloodBot1> Denyerec: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:33] <ausxxh> tinman: thanks. it's annoying and i don't know how serious that is for updates
[23:33] <Denyerec> Nothing appears in the /mnt/hgfs/ folder as the documents suggest it should.
[23:33] <tinman> the shares on the VM do not work? do you see them from the VM machine?
[23:34] <Pici> !nickspam > rampageRipper
[23:34] <Denyerec> On the host, I specify a shared folder for the VM to access. I boot the VM, and the documentation says that the share should appear in /mnt/hgfs/
[23:34] <Denyerec> It does not
[23:34] <ausxxh> use the same sources.list. both on amd64, from desktop and laptop, same network, gave me different results for apt-get update??? that's unbelievable
[23:34] <Denyerec> When I run  vmware-hgfsclient I can see the share name listed
[23:34] <Denyerec> But I don't appear able to access or mouint it,
[23:35] <rampageRipper> Pici:  sorry
[23:40] <seronis> Q: been getting gpu lockups in xorg since 13.10 update somewhat randomly. what exactly can i do to help get the new bug fixed ?
[23:40] <tking0036> does -b allow curl to set cookies if you are reading from an existing cookie file
[23:40] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: iirc, the build scripts for the kernel modules required for the extra features in vmware player/workstation target kernel 2.6. the builds fail on ubuntu due to the much newer kernel and therefore those extra features do not work. (same with modules for vmware tools)
[23:41] <Denyerec> That makes some sense, at least. Is there a workaround ?
[23:41] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: not that i know of
[23:42] <Denyerec> Hmm.
[23:42] <Denyerec> So I'm either stuck on VMware with no shares, or stuck on Virtualbox with one screen,.
[23:42] <Denyerec> (Multiple desktops don't work in Virtualbox due to Unity)
[23:42] <hitsujiTMO> only fixes i have get past the detecting kernel headers, but the builds still fail
[23:42] <Denyerec> Multiple monitors work in VMWare, but the shared folders don't
[23:43] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: you could use nfs shares or samba shares
[23:43] <Denyerec> Yeah.
[23:43] <Denyerec> I think the workaround here is to just use a cifs share and stick to VMware
[23:43] <Denyerec> At least I can fix that, wheras I cannot seem to get two screens working in VBox
[23:43] <tinman> Denyerec,  are the systems on the same network/workgroup/domain/subnet?
[23:44] <Denyerec> Yeah it's just Host->Guest
[23:44] <Denyerec> (VM)
[23:44] <Denyerec> Except for some reason bridged networking is broken.
[23:44] <Denyerec> (VMware)
[23:44] <tinman> yes but is that all stuff matching on both systems? (do you not have samba installed?)
[23:45] <Denyerec> Well it's NAT'd to the same subnet
[23:45] <Denyerec> so I can just set up a Samba share.
[23:45] <Denyerec> I was just trying to get VMware shared folders to work as I thought (HAH!) it'd be easier and faster.
[23:45] <Denyerec> 4 hours later... ;)