| ahoneybun | heello | 00:30 |
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| ScottK | shadeslayer: We'll need an upload for grub2-signed signed as well. Please upload it too. | 03:17 |
| mamarley | ScottK: So, how is logging handled in the current initscript for Quassel? It has been quite some time since I actually ran with the stock script. | 03:17 |
| ScottK | It uses --logfile=$LOGFILE --loglevel=$LOGLEVEL | 03:19 |
| mamarley | Ah, OK. I don't have any idea how to do something like that with Upstart. I basically just hacked something together so that I could ensure Quassel would start after PostgreSQL started. | 03:20 |
| ahoneybun | anyone know how the ubuntu doc meeting went? | 03:21 |
| skellat | ahoneybun: The logs are here (I missed it due to family issues I had to take care of in lieu of attending) -- http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html | 03:23 |
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| mamarley | ScottK: OK, it looks like the argument for $LOGFILE is hardcoded in the initscript and $LOGLEVEL and $PORT come from /etc/default/quasselcore. Is there any scheme for storing this configuration with Upstart scripts? I looked at several of the scripts on my system and it looks like everything is just in the .conf file. | 03:29 |
| mamarley | I think I found it, nevermind. | 03:35 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 03:38 |
| ScottK | I've so far avoided knowing anything much about upstart. | 03:39 |
| ScottK | Log goes in /var/log/quassel/core.log | 03:39 |
| mamarley | Writing Upstart scripts is *so* much easier than old-fashioned ones. | 03:40 |
| mamarley | And I find it preferable to systemd scripts as well. | 03:40 |
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| ScottK | Except when you know how to do sysv init scripts and not upstart ones. | 03:40 |
| ahoneybun | thanks skellat | 03:55 |
| skellat | ahoneybun: No problemo | 03:55 |
| mamarley | ScottK: OK, I have written something that has all the functionality of the current sysv initscript. How would you like for me to send it to you? File a bugreport on Launchpad? | 04:02 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 04:02 |
| ScottK | I'll ask someone who knows more about upstart than me to review it. | 04:02 |
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| mamarley | ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036 | 04:12 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1244036 in quassel (Ubuntu) "Quasselcore should use an Upstart script instead of a sysv initscript" [Undecided,New] | 04:12 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ^^^ would you please review. | 04:21 |
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| jussi | hrm, why do we have a package called kdeconnect-kde? | 05:37 |
| jussi | should it not be kdeconnect and if needed kdeconnect-gtk or -dbg etc? | 05:37 |
| valorie | bad packagename, for sure | 05:37 |
| jussi | hrrr | 05:40 |
| jussi | kdeconnect people, you suck. | 05:41 |
| jussi | they hacve changed the protocol already, so our package is out of date, and cant be used with the version that is in the google store | 05:41 |
| valorie | I don't think they added on the -kde part | 05:41 |
| valorie | oh, boo | 05:42 |
| jussi | well that was a bunch of fail installing that... | 05:42 |
| * jussi goes to report bug | 05:42 | |
| jussi | hrm is the a cli way to report a bug? ubuntu has ubuntu-bug <package>, does the kde thing have similar? | 05:44 |
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| kubotu | ::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj) | 06:14 |
| soee | good morning | 06:18 |
| android | morning soee | 06:19 |
| soee | someone can remind me the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ? | 06:19 |
| android | sudo do-release-upgrade | 06:20 |
| android | iirc | 06:21 |
| soee | Riddell, you didn't answer my question yesterday :| | 06:23 |
| android | right bug 1244064 has been filed | 06:32 |
| ubottu | bug 1244064 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu) "Protocol mismatch saucy and android play store versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244064 | 06:32 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 06:54 |
| lordievader | ahoneybun: Ugh from the meeting: 20:04 <bkerensa> david wonderly also left Kubuntu and Kubuntu killed their docs | 06:54 |
| android | mis information ftw | 06:57 |
| lordievader | android: Riddel came to the rescue: 20:09 <Riddell> bkerensa: our docs are back in 13.10 ^^ | 06:59 |
| android | good on him. which meeting was this ? | 06:59 |
| lordievader | android: Documentation meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html | 06:59 |
| android | ahh | 07:00 |
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| shadeslayer | ScottK: ack | 07:56 |
| Riddell | morning | 07:59 |
| Riddell | soee: sorry I've been at linuxcon, what was your question yesterday? | 07:59 |
| soee | Riddell, i v seen some conversation about server, are you looking for some? | 07:59 |
| Riddell | soee: no I think we have all the server we need currently thanks | 08:01 |
| soee | ok :) | 08:01 |
| yossarianuk | you survived Scotland ? | 08:04 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: I have lived here for over 30 years :) | 08:08 |
| yossarianuk | Riddell: Ah good stuff <<< im half scottish myself . | 08:12 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: welcome along, new to the channel? | 08:17 |
| yossarianuk | yes - I have been bugging people about the UEFI bug with 13.10... | 08:17 |
| Riddell | thanks much needed, I see bug 1242417 is needing testing | 08:18 |
| ubottu | bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 | 08:18 |
| Riddell | but I'm unsure how to test, how do you upgrade if it won't boot? | 08:18 |
| yossarianuk | Riddel: Install as normal - then chroot into the new install | 08:21 |
| yossarianuk | then add ppa and apt-get dist-upgrade | 08:21 |
| shadeslayer | actually, you'll want to wait a bit | 08:22 |
| shadeslayer | and enable proposed | 08:22 |
| shadeslayer | fix is in -proposed | 08:23 |
| shadeslayer | however still needs grub2-signed rebuilt against new grub-efi-amd64 | 08:23 |
| Riddell | aah | 08:23 |
| shadeslayer | yossarianuk: I think you won't get the upgrade because you're running my PPA | 08:23 |
| shadeslayer | same version | 08:23 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.23.dsc | 08:24 |
| shadeslayer | and https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.22.1.dsc | 08:24 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: a) I'd check with upstream whether it is fine to backport that without the associated qt libraries | 08:25 |
| shadeslayer | atleast for libnm-qt that is not true | 08:25 |
| shadeslayer | you need the latest bugfix version of libnm-qt for the latest bugfix of plasma-nm | 08:26 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: onto it | 08:38 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: quasse upstart looks fine, but upstart is not really my area of expertise so you should probably have someone from foundations look at it real quick | 09:04 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: so.... we want to SRU muon 2.1 or what? | 09:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: already done? | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | oh? | 09:07 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1243807 | 09:07 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1243807 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] Update Muon to 2.1.0" [Undecided,Fix committed] | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | go move trello cards? :P | 09:07 |
| apachelogger | and compile a list of what we reported and was fixed :P | 09:08 |
| shadeslayer | ufff | 09:08 |
| shadeslayer | I didn't file bugs | 09:08 |
| shadeslayer | I just showed apol what didn't work | 09:08 |
| shadeslayer | and he fixed them all | 09:08 |
| apachelogger | the card has all -updater issues | 09:08 |
| * apachelogger gets too much bug mail | 09:09 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: also plasma-nm card needs moving to doing I rckon | 09:11 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: I don't know if KDE bug 326245 was fixed | 09:12 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 326245 in installer "knsbackend crash on nil pointers from resourcesmodel" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326245 | 09:12 |
| shadeslayer | can you check? | 09:12 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that's the crash on start | 09:13 |
| shadeslayer | ah cool then | 09:13 |
| * apachelogger shakes head at bug 1166102 | 09:14 | |
| ubottu | bug 1166102 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166102 | 09:14 |
| kubotu | ::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj) | 09:23 |
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| jussi | shadeslayer: fix kdeconnect already! | 12:06 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 12:10 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:27 |
| soee | just upgraded to 13.10 here at work :) not even single error | 12:53 |
| jussi | soee: I had a similar experience | 12:53 |
| soee | :) | 12:54 |
| soee | i have a feeling that overall performance is a bit better now | 12:54 |
| jussi | However, one thing about the upgrade... could we somehow patch dpkg or something to keep going, even if configs need attention? stoppping while the user answers a non essential question like, "do you want to keep or replace xorg.conf" is STUPID! | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that comment from upstream is nonesense | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | you can inject arbitrary translation catalogs | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: regarding plasma-nm | 12:56 |
| soee | jussi in my cas it asked about apache config | 12:58 |
| soee | so i think its important here to keep local configuration | 12:58 |
| jussi | soee: yes, I agree. it asked a few different things for me, but the point was, it should keep installing in the background, even though it is waiting for input on that small issue | 12:59 |
| jussi | quiet day today | 13:14 |
| shadeslayer | jussi: whut? :S | 13:18 |
| * shadeslayer was out lunching | 13:18 | |
| shadeslayer | and violining | 13:18 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: how do we fix kdeconnect? | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | what's broken? | 13:19 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: bug 1244064 | 13:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1244064 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu) "Protocol mismatch saucy and android play store versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244064 | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | I like how the package is called kdeconnect-kde | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | because the name doesn't have enough KDE in it | 13:19 |
| jussi | kde connect doesnt currently work... | 13:20 |
| shadeslayer | :/ | 13:20 |
| shadeslayer | I don't see a new release http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.3/src/ | 13:21 |
| soee | apt-get autoremove wants to delete: kdebase-runtime is it ok ? | 13:22 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | only a transitional package | 13:23 |
| soee | thank you | 13:24 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: hrr | 13:25 |
| jussi | I wonder if the guy uploaded something weird to the play store | 13:25 |
| jussi | some git version | 13:25 |
| jussi | shadeslayer: 0.3.1 is the android version | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | yes I see | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | I can't even install | 13:31 |
| Riddell | ScottK: grub2-signed in saucy-proposed unapproved queue for bug 1242417 | 13:33 |
| ubottu | bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 | 13:33 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: I fixed the debian/control file to require grub2 2.00-19ubuntu2.1 | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | aha, possibly we need to do the same for trusty? | 13:36 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: too late :) | 13:38 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 13:43 |
| Riddell | ta da http://tr.kubuntu.org/ | 13:56 |
| yossarianuk | does the new status 'fix released' for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 mean that now as long as you enable updates during install UEFI installs will now work? | 14:53 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] | 14:53 |
| yossarianuk | or will I still have to chroot to fix it ? | 14:53 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: it's only in -proposed for now so it won't get updated unless you add that manually, we need to test it to ensure it works | 14:55 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: it'll go into -updates once we've tested a 7 days have passed then it should be picked up by anyone who ticks install updates during install | 14:56 |
| yossarianuk | ok - I already have the version from the PPA... | 15:02 |
| yossarianuk | (i may re-install tonight to help test and speed things along.) | 15:02 |
| yossarianuk | (depends on how my 6th month old son is tonight.....) | 15:02 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: yes please test the packages from -proposed, otherwise it's not part of the SRU process and doesn't let the packages progress to -updates | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | yossarianuk: if you reinstall, please check if your problem gets fixed by clicking the "Update packages during install" checkbox | 15:32 |
| yossarianuk | shadeslayer: Riddell: will do | 15:36 |
| yossarianuk | here is a semi off topic question .... I have always wanted to pick up a programming language - The only languages I have ever used really is Basic on the Amiga/Commodore64/Dragon32 , HMTL and a bit of PHP - I'm pretty good at bash scripting and I understand package building (I have a PPA with latest nvidia and I maintain the nvidia-rt Arch Linux package..) - what you would you recommend to me if I want to learn a 'proper' language | 15:38 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it won't if they're just in -proposed | 15:38 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: would enabling proposed fix that? | 15:38 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: you'd have to do it manually and update in the chroot, I don't know of any way to get ubiquity to do that | 15:39 |
| shadeslayer | well, there is just one proper language :) | 15:39 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: I'm a big fan of python | 15:39 |
| yossarianuk | Thanks for your input.... | 15:39 |
| yossarianuk | shadeslayer: what is the one proper ? | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: uhm, so if I enable proposed, ubiquity will still generate a sources.list without -proposed ? :/ | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | yossarianuk: C | 15:40 |
| yossarianuk | ok thanks. | 15:40 |
| yossarianuk | so (back on topic..) I need to install - chroot - enable proposed then dist-upgrade / | 15:41 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list on the live image is unrelated to what gets installed onto the hard disk | 15:43 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: ug don't go learning C, it's a horrible way to start programming | 15:43 |
| shadeslayer | which is interesting because I thought ubiquity checks what's enabled on the CD and enables the same on the target | 15:44 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: I'd search for python and pyqt beginners tutorials | 15:44 |
| lordievader | Ohh python is lovely :) | 15:45 |
| shadeslayer | if you like Python, then you might like Go | 15:46 |
| shadeslayer | mix of C and Python | 15:46 |
| yossarianuk | Riddell: thanks ! | 15:46 |
| yossarianuk | I'm guessing there are a lot of QT programmers in the KDE world... | 15:46 |
| yossarianuk | right - just checking before I do it... | 17:12 |
| yossarianuk | to test UEFI | 17:12 |
| yossarianuk | just install - chroot - + proposed updates - dist-upgrade - reboot | 17:12 |
| yossarianuk | (am doing to new install..) | 17:12 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: yes I think so | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer | yossarianuk: plz wait | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell is uploading something? | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer | or not required? | 17:18 |
| Riddell | mm I don't know | 17:19 |
| Riddell | grub2 sound pretty required | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | I'd rather have both the packages tested together | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer | so that yossarianuk doesn't have to do another test xD | 17:20 |
| Riddell | yeah | 17:20 |
| yossarianuk | i can wait if need be... | 17:24 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: yeah hold off for a few hours | 17:26 |
| * shadeslayer is wrapping things up for the day | 17:27 | |
| shadeslayer | cya tomorrow | 17:29 |
| Riddell | ciao | 17:29 |
| Riddell | or should I say adios? | 17:29 |
| yossarianuk | ok | 17:29 |
| yossarianuk | np - got to bath my boy anyway.... | 17:29 |
| yossarianuk | i'll check later | 17:30 |
| Riddell | yossarianuk: building now, should appear in the archive in < an hour, make sure you set your chroot to use archive.ubuntu.com not xx.archive.ubuntu.com as that'll be a few more hours behind | 17:44 |
| yossarianuk | Riddell: so do I need to enable proposed updates in the chroot ? | 18:03 |
| yossarianuk | i'll be doing in about 9 ish UK time I think (if little man goes to sleep...) | 18:04 |
| yossarianuk | I take it the package is ready ? | 19:15 |
| yossarianuk | (UEFI test) | 19:15 |
| ahoneybun | hello all | 19:30 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: thanks for correcting the ubuntu docs meeting about our docs :) | 19:32 |
| lordievader | Hey ahoneybun, how are you? | 19:32 |
| ahoneybun | lordievader: pretty good excited for my meeting tomorrow, you? | 19:42 |
| lordievader | ahoneybun: Ah your Kubuntu member meeting? Best of luck! I'm doing good, messing with Fluxbox. | 19:44 |
| ahoneybun | yep thanks nic | 19:47 |
| ahoneybun | e | 19:47 |
| yossarianuk | hi - just before i re-install to test the new packages from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 - I need to chroot + then add proposed-updates, then update grub packages? | 20:25 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] | 20:25 |
| lordievader | yossarianuk: Possible usefull: ping some people to get their attention ;) | 20:26 |
| yossarianuk | riddell: sorry if I have just pinged mutiple times... | 20:30 |
| yossarianuk | I'd imagine everybodies shut down for the night - I'm going to give it a go and report back. | 20:31 |
| yossarianuk | there is something liberating about wiping all os's and starting fresh.... | 20:31 |
| yossarianuk | The proposed updates for'https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 seem to work fine from a fresh install | 21:23 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] | 21:23 |
| yossarianuk | however it does add a 2nd UEFI entry (you cannot get rid of (whilst the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu folder exists) | 21:24 |
| yossarianuk | but it boots now. | 21:24 |
| shadeslayer | please comment on the report :) | 21:25 |
| yossarianuk | will do - cheers | 21:25 |
| ahoneybun | anyone have good results dual booting with a lenovo that has 2 different graphics? | 21:43 |
| mamarley | ahoneybun: I have a T530. I don't dual-boot, but I know you can disable Optimus and use either the Intel graphics only or the Nvidia graphics only. | 21:44 |
| yossarianuk | shadeslayer: do I just need to update with my findings or do I need to change the status of the bug, etc ? | 21:44 |
| shadeslayer | just post a comment | 21:45 |
| ahoneybun | mamarley: I think that depends on the BIOS | 21:45 |
| yossarianuk | dine | 21:45 |
| shadeslayer | with a tag saying "Verification succeeded" | 21:45 |
| yossarianuk | done | 21:45 |
| ahoneybun | EFI whatever | 21:45 |
| yossarianuk | np | 21:45 |
| mamarley | ahoneybun: It does, but Thinkpads have that option. | 21:45 |
| ahoneybun | this is a Ideapad | 21:45 |
| mamarley | Ah, OK. No experience there. | 21:46 |
| ahoneybun | mamarley: similiar set up though | 21:47 |
| ahoneybun | I did get Ubuntu installed with WIndows | 21:47 |
| ahoneybun | it just gave me a error | 21:47 |
| ahoneybun | when trying to boot Ubuntu windows worked fine | 21:47 |
| ahoneybun | mamarley: you do need a nomodeset in the kernel p | 21:49 |
| ahoneybun | to boot the installer | 21:50 |
| Riddell | ah missed him | 21:51 |
| Riddell | mm but it seems to mostly work which is good | 21:52 |
| Riddell | I'll test it tomorrow too | 21:52 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: dearly sorry I missed the ubuntu doc meeting' | 21:52 |
| mamarley | ahoneybun: I have never actually tried booting mine in Optimus mode. | 21:53 |
| ahoneybun | mamarley: well I don't really have a choice BIOS/EFI wise I believ | 21:54 |
| ahoneybun | e | 21:54 |
| mamarley | ahoneybun: Yeah, I don't think the Ideapad has that option. | 21:54 |
| ahoneybun | mamarley: yea | 21:57 |
| Quintasan | wow | 23:06 |
| Quintasan | https://madiba.encs.concordia.ca/~x_decarn/truecrypt-binaries-analysis/ | 23:06 |
| Quintasan | Somebody had too much time on their hands I guess | 23:06 |
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