ScottKshadeslayer: We'll need an upload for grub2-signed signed as well.  Please upload it too.03:17
mamarleyScottK: So, how is logging handled in the current initscript for Quassel?  It has been quite some time since I actually ran with the stock script.03:17
ScottKIt uses --logfile=$LOGFILE --loglevel=$LOGLEVEL03:19
mamarleyAh, OK.  I don't have any idea how to do something like that with Upstart.  I basically just hacked something together so that I could ensure Quassel would start after PostgreSQL started.03:20
ahoneybunanyone know how the ubuntu doc meeting went?03:21
skellatahoneybun: The logs are here (I missed it due to family issues I had to take care of in lieu of attending) -- http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html03:23
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mamarleyScottK: OK, it looks like the argument for $LOGFILE is hardcoded in the initscript and $LOGLEVEL and $PORT come from /etc/default/quasselcore.  Is there any scheme for storing this configuration with Upstart scripts?  I looked at several of the scripts on my system and it looks like everything is just in the .conf file.03:29
mamarleyI think I found it, nevermind.03:35
ScottKI've so far avoided knowing anything much about upstart.03:39
ScottKLog goes in /var/log/quassel/core.log03:39
mamarleyWriting Upstart scripts is *so* much easier than old-fashioned ones.03:40
mamarleyAnd I find it preferable to systemd scripts as well.03:40
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ScottKExcept when you know how to do sysv init scripts and not upstart ones.03:40
ahoneybunthanks skellat03:55
skellatahoneybun: No problemo03:55
mamarleyScottK: OK, I have written something that has all the functionality of the current sysv initscript.  How would you like for me to send it to you?  File a bugreport on Launchpad?04:02
ScottKI'll ask someone who knows more about upstart than me to review it.04:02
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mamarleyScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/124403604:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 1244036 in quassel (Ubuntu) "Quasselcore should use an Upstart script instead of a sysv initscript" [Undecided,New]04:12
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^ would you please review.04:21
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jussihrm, why do we have a package called kdeconnect-kde? 05:37
jussishould it not be kdeconnect and if needed kdeconnect-gtk or -dbg etc?05:37
valoriebad packagename, for sure05:37
jussikdeconnect people, you suck. 05:41
jussithey hacve changed the protocol already, so our package is out of date, and cant be used with the version that is in the google store05:41
valorieI don't think they added on the -kde part05:41
valorieoh, boo05:42
jussiwell that was a bunch of fail installing that... 05:42
* jussi goes to report bug05:42
jussihrm is the a cli way to report a bug? ubuntu has ubuntu-bug <package>, does the kde thing have similar? 05:44
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kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj)06:14
soeegood morning06:18
androidmorning soee06:19
soeesomeone can remind me the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ?06:19
androidsudo do-release-upgrade06:20
soeeRiddell, you didn't answer my question yesterday :|06:23
androidright bug 1244064 has been filed06:32
ubottubug 1244064 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu) "Protocol mismatch saucy and android play store versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124406406:32
lordievaderGood morning.06:54
lordievaderahoneybun: Ugh from the meeting: 20:04 <bkerensa> david wonderly also left Kubuntu and Kubuntu killed their docs06:54
androidmis information ftw06:57
lordievaderandroid: Riddel came to the rescue: 20:09 <Riddell> bkerensa: our docs are back in 13.10 ^^06:59
androidgood on him. which meeting was this ?06:59
lordievaderandroid: Documentation meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html06:59
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shadeslayerScottK: ack07:56
Riddellsoee: sorry I've been at linuxcon, what was your question yesterday?07:59
soeeRiddell, i v seen some conversation about server, are you looking for some?07:59
Riddellsoee: no I think we have all the server we need currently thanks08:01
soeeok :)08:01
yossarianukyou survived Scotland ?08:04
Riddellyossarianuk: I have lived here for over 30 years :)08:08
yossarianukRiddell: Ah good stuff <<< im half scottish myself .08:12
Riddellyossarianuk: welcome along, new to the channel?08:17
yossarianukyes - I have been bugging people about the UEFI bug with 13.10...08:17
Riddellthanks much needed, I see bug 1242417 is needing testing08:18
ubottubug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124241708:18
Riddellbut I'm unsure how to test, how do you upgrade if it won't boot?08:18
yossarianukRiddel: Install as normal - then chroot into the new install08:21
yossarianukthen add ppa and apt-get dist-upgrade08:21
shadeslayeractually, you'll want to wait a bit08:22
shadeslayerand enable proposed08:22
shadeslayerfix is in -proposed08:23
shadeslayerhowever still needs grub2-signed rebuilt against new grub-efi-amd6408:23
shadeslayeryossarianuk: I think you won't get the upgrade because you're running my PPA08:23
shadeslayersame version08:23
shadeslayerRiddell: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.23.dsc08:24
shadeslayerand https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.22.1.dsc08:24
shadeslayerapachelogger:  a) I'd check with upstream whether it is fine to backport that without the associated qt libraries 08:25
shadeslayeratleast for libnm-qt that is not true08:25
shadeslayeryou need the latest bugfix version of libnm-qt for the latest bugfix of plasma-nm08:26
Riddellshadeslayer: onto it08:38
apacheloggerScottK: quasse upstart looks fine, but upstart is not really my area of expertise so you should probably have someone from foundations look at it real quick09:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: so.... we want to SRU muon 2.1 or what?09:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: already done?09:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/124380709:07
ubottuUbuntu bug 1243807 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] Update Muon to 2.1.0" [Undecided,Fix committed]09:07
apacheloggergo move trello cards? :P09:07
apacheloggerand compile a list of what we reported and was fixed :P09:08
shadeslayerI didn't file bugs09:08
shadeslayerI just showed apol what didn't work09:08
shadeslayerand he fixed them all09:08
apacheloggerthe card has all -updater issues09:08
* apachelogger gets too much bug mail09:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: also plasma-nm card needs moving to doing I rckon09:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: I don't know if KDE bug 326245 was fixed09:12
ubottuKDE bug 326245 in installer "knsbackend crash on nil pointers from resourcesmodel" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32624509:12
shadeslayercan you check?09:12
apacheloggershadeslayer: that's the crash on start09:13
shadeslayerah cool then09:13
* apachelogger shakes head at bug 1166102 09:14
ubottubug 1166102 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/116610209:14
kubotu::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj)09:23
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jussishadeslayer: fix kdeconnect already! 12:06
lordievaderGood afternoon.12:10
BluesKajHi folks12:27
soeejust upgraded to 13.10 here at work :) not even single error12:53
jussisoee: I had a similar experience12:53
soeei have a feeling that overall performance is a bit better now12:54
jussiHowever, one thing about the upgrade... could we somehow patch dpkg or something to keep going, even if configs need attention? stoppping while the user answers a non essential question like,  "do you want to keep or replace xorg.conf" is STUPID!12:55
apacheloggershadeslayer: that comment from upstream is nonesense12:55
apacheloggeryou can inject arbitrary translation catalogs12:56
apacheloggershadeslayer: regarding plasma-nm12:56
soeejussi in my cas it asked about apache config12:58
soeeso i think its important here to keep local configuration 12:58
jussisoee: yes, I agree. it asked a few different things for me, but the point was, it should keep installing in the background, even though it is waiting for input on that small issue12:59
jussiquiet day today13:14
shadeslayerjussi: whut? :S13:18
* shadeslayer was out lunching13:18
shadeslayerand violining13:18
jussishadeslayer: how do we fix kdeconnect? 13:19
shadeslayerwhat's broken?13:19
jussishadeslayer:  bug 124406413:19
ubottubug 1244064 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu) "Protocol mismatch saucy and android play store versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124406413:19
shadeslayerI like how the package is called kdeconnect-kde13:19
shadeslayerbecause the name doesn't have enough KDE in it13:19
jussikde connect doesnt currently work...13:20
shadeslayerI don't see a new release http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.3/src/13:21
soeeapt-get autoremove wants to delete: kdebase-runtime is it ok ?13:22
shadeslayeronly a transitional package13:23
soeethank you13:24
jussishadeslayer: hrr13:25
jussiI wonder if the guy uploaded something weird to the play store13:25
jussisome git version13:25
jussishadeslayer: 0.3.1 is the android version13:29
shadeslayeryes I see13:29
shadeslayerI can't even install13:31
RiddellScottK: grub2-signed in saucy-proposed unapproved queue for bug 124241713:33
ubottubug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124241713:33
Riddellshadeslayer: I fixed the debian/control file to require grub2 2.00-19ubuntu2.1 13:34
shadeslayeraha, possibly we need to do the same for trusty?13:36
Riddellshadeslayer: too late :)13:38
Riddellta da http://tr.kubuntu.org/13:56
yossarianukdoes the new status 'fix released' for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 mean that now as long as you enable updates during install UEFI installs will now work?14:53
ubottuUbuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress]14:53
yossarianukor will I still have to chroot to fix it ?14:53
Riddellyossarianuk: it's only in -proposed for now so it won't get updated unless you add that manually, we need to test it to ensure it works14:55
Riddellyossarianuk: it'll go into -updates once we've tested a 7 days have passed then it should be picked up by anyone who ticks install updates during install14:56
yossarianukok - I already have the version from the PPA...15:02
yossarianuk(i may re-install tonight to help test and speed things along.)15:02
yossarianuk(depends on how my 6th month old son is tonight.....)15:02
Riddellyossarianuk: yes please test the packages from -proposed, otherwise it's not part of the SRU process and doesn't let the packages progress to -updates15:20
shadeslayeryossarianuk: if you reinstall, please check if your problem gets fixed by clicking the "Update packages during install" checkbox15:32
yossarianukshadeslayer: Riddell: will do 15:36
yossarianukhere is a semi off topic question ....  I have always wanted to pick up a programming language - The only languages I have ever used really is Basic on the Amiga/Commodore64/Dragon32 , HMTL and a bit of PHP - I'm pretty good at bash scripting and I understand package building (I have a PPA with latest nvidia and I maintain the nvidia-rt Arch Linux package..) - what you would you recommend to me if I want to learn a 'proper' language15:38
Riddellshadeslayer: it won't if they're just in -proposed15:38
shadeslayerRiddell: would enabling proposed fix that?15:38
Riddellshadeslayer: you'd have to do it manually and update in the chroot, I don't know of any way to get ubiquity to do that15:39
shadeslayerwell, there is just one proper language :)15:39
Riddellyossarianuk: I'm a big fan of python15:39
yossarianukThanks for your input.... 15:39
yossarianukshadeslayer: what is the one proper ?15:40
shadeslayerRiddell: uhm, so if I enable proposed, ubiquity will still generate a sources.list without -proposed ? :/15:40
shadeslayeryossarianuk: C15:40
yossarianukok thanks.15:40
yossarianukso (back on topic..) I need to install - chroot - enable proposed then dist-upgrade /15:41
Riddellshadeslayer: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list on the live image is unrelated to what gets installed onto the hard disk15:43
Riddellyossarianuk: ug don't go learning C, it's a horrible way to start programming15:43
shadeslayerwhich is interesting because I thought ubiquity checks what's enabled on the CD and enables the same on the target15:44
Riddellyossarianuk: I'd search for python and pyqt beginners tutorials15:44
lordievaderOhh python is lovely :)15:45
shadeslayerif you like Python, then you might like Go15:46
shadeslayermix of C and Python15:46
yossarianukRiddell: thanks !15:46
yossarianukI'm guessing there are a lot of QT programmers in the KDE world...15:46
yossarianukright  - just checking before I do it...17:12
yossarianukto test UEFI 17:12
yossarianukjust install - chroot - + proposed updates - dist-upgrade - reboot17:12
yossarianuk(am doing to new install..)17:12
Riddellyossarianuk: yes I think so17:18
shadeslayeryossarianuk: plz wait17:18
shadeslayerRiddell is uploading something?17:18
shadeslayeror not required?17:18
Riddellmm I don't know17:19
Riddellgrub2 sound pretty required17:19
shadeslayerI'd rather have both the packages tested together17:20
shadeslayerso that yossarianuk doesn't have to do another test xD17:20
yossarianuki can wait if need be...17:24
Riddellyossarianuk: yeah hold off for a few hours17:26
* shadeslayer is wrapping things up for the day17:27
shadeslayercya tomorrow17:29
Riddellor should I say adios?17:29
yossarianuknp - got to bath my boy anyway....17:29
yossarianuki'll check later17:30
Riddellyossarianuk: building now, should appear in the archive in < an hour, make sure you set your chroot to use archive.ubuntu.com not xx.archive.ubuntu.com as that'll be a few more hours behind17:44
yossarianukRiddell: so do I need to enable proposed updates in the chroot ?18:03
yossarianuki'll be doing in about 9 ish UK time I think (if little man goes to sleep...)18:04
yossarianukI take it the package  is ready ?19:15
yossarianuk(UEFI test)19:15
ahoneybunhello all19:30
ahoneybunRiddell: thanks for correcting the ubuntu docs meeting about our docs :)19:32
lordievaderHey ahoneybun, how are you?19:32
ahoneybunlordievader: pretty good excited for my meeting tomorrow, you?19:42
lordievaderahoneybun: Ah your Kubuntu member meeting? Best of luck! I'm doing good, messing with Fluxbox.19:44
ahoneybunyep thanks nic19:47
yossarianukhi - just before i re-install to test the new packages from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 - I need to chroot + then add proposed-updates, then update grub packages?20:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress]20:25
lordievaderyossarianuk: Possible usefull: ping some people to get their attention ;)20:26
yossarianukriddell: sorry if I have just pinged mutiple times...20:30
yossarianukI'd imagine everybodies shut down for the night - I'm going to give it a go and report back.20:31
yossarianukthere is something liberating about wiping all os's and starting fresh....20:31
yossarianukThe proposed updates for'https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 seem to work fine from a fresh install21:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress]21:23
yossarianukhowever it does add a 2nd UEFI entry (you cannot get rid of (whilst the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu folder exists)21:24
yossarianukbut it boots now.21:24
shadeslayerplease comment on the report :)21:25
yossarianukwill do - cheers21:25
ahoneybunanyone have good results dual booting with a lenovo that has 2 different graphics?21:43
mamarleyahoneybun: I have a T530.  I don't dual-boot, but I know you can disable Optimus and use either the Intel graphics only or the Nvidia graphics only.21:44
yossarianukshadeslayer: do I just need to update with my findings or do I need to change the status of the bug, etc ?21:44
shadeslayerjust post a comment21:45
ahoneybunmamarley: I think that depends on the BIOS21:45
shadeslayerwith a tag saying "Verification succeeded"21:45
ahoneybunEFI whatever21:45
mamarleyahoneybun: It does, but Thinkpads have that option.21:45
ahoneybunthis is a Ideapad21:45
mamarleyAh, OK.  No experience there.21:46
ahoneybunmamarley: similiar set up though21:47
ahoneybunI did get Ubuntu installed with WIndows21:47
ahoneybunit just gave me a error21:47
ahoneybunwhen trying to boot Ubuntu windows worked fine21:47
ahoneybunmamarley: you do need a nomodeset in the kernel p21:49
ahoneybunto boot the installer21:50
Riddellah missed him21:51
Riddellmm but it seems to mostly work which is good21:52
RiddellI'll test it tomorrow too21:52
ahoneybunRiddell: dearly sorry I missed the ubuntu doc meeting'21:52
mamarleyahoneybun: I have never actually tried booting mine in Optimus mode.21:53
ahoneybunmamarley: well I don't really have a choice BIOS/EFI wise I believ21:54
mamarleyahoneybun: Yeah, I don't think the Ideapad has that option.21:54
ahoneybunmamarley: yea21:57
QuintasanSomebody had too much time on their hands I guess23:06

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