[00:30] heello [03:17] shadeslayer: We'll need an upload for grub2-signed signed as well. Please upload it too. [03:17] ScottK: So, how is logging handled in the current initscript for Quassel? It has been quite some time since I actually ran with the stock script. [03:19] It uses --logfile=$LOGFILE --loglevel=$LOGLEVEL [03:20] Ah, OK. I don't have any idea how to do something like that with Upstart. I basically just hacked something together so that I could ensure Quassel would start after PostgreSQL started. [03:21] anyone know how the ubuntu doc meeting went? [03:23] ahoneybun: The logs are here (I missed it due to family issues I had to take care of in lieu of attending) -- http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [03:29] ScottK: OK, it looks like the argument for $LOGFILE is hardcoded in the initscript and $LOGLEVEL and $PORT come from /etc/default/quasselcore. Is there any scheme for storing this configuration with Upstart scripts? I looked at several of the scripts on my system and it looks like everything is just in the .conf file. [03:35] I think I found it, nevermind. [03:38] Excellent. [03:39] I've so far avoided knowing anything much about upstart. [03:39] Log goes in /var/log/quassel/core.log [03:40] Writing Upstart scripts is *so* much easier than old-fashioned ones. [03:40] And I find it preferable to systemd scripts as well. === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [03:40] Except when you know how to do sysv init scripts and not upstart ones. [03:55] thanks skellat [03:55] ahoneybun: No problemo [04:02] ScottK: OK, I have written something that has all the functionality of the current sysv initscript. How would you like for me to send it to you? File a bugreport on Launchpad? [04:02] Yes. [04:02] I'll ask someone who knows more about upstart than me to review it. === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [04:12] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036 [04:12] Ubuntu bug 1244036 in quassel (Ubuntu) "Quasselcore should use an Upstart script instead of a sysv initscript" [Undecided,New] [04:21] apachelogger: ^^^ would you please review. === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine === jono is now known as Guest95491 === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [05:37] hrm, why do we have a package called kdeconnect-kde? [05:37] should it not be kdeconnect and if needed kdeconnect-gtk or -dbg etc? [05:37] bad packagename, for sure [05:40] hrrr [05:41] kdeconnect people, you suck. [05:41] they hacve changed the protocol already, so our package is out of date, and cant be used with the version that is in the google store [05:41] I don't think they added on the -kde part [05:42] oh, boo [05:42] well that was a bunch of fail installing that... [05:42] * jussi goes to report bug [05:44] hrm is the a cli way to report a bug? ubuntu has ubuntu-bug , does the kde thing have similar? === jussi is now known as android [06:14] ::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj) [06:18] good morning [06:19] morning soee [06:19] someone can remind me the command to upgrade 13.04 -> 13.10 ? [06:20] sudo do-release-upgrade [06:21] iirc [06:23] Riddell, you didn't answer my question yesterday :| [06:32] right bug 1244064 has been filed [06:32] bug 1244064 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu) "Protocol mismatch saucy and android play store versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244064 [06:54] Good morning. [06:54] ahoneybun: Ugh from the meeting: 20:04 david wonderly also left Kubuntu and Kubuntu killed their docs [06:57] mis information ftw [06:59] android: Riddel came to the rescue: 20:09 bkerensa: our docs are back in 13.10 ^^ [06:59] good on him. which meeting was this ? [06:59] android: Documentation meeting: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-10-21-19.01.html [07:00] ahh === android is now known as juss === juss is now known as jussi === jalcine is now known as jalcine_ [07:56] ScottK: ack [07:59] morning [07:59] soee: sorry I've been at linuxcon, what was your question yesterday? [07:59] Riddell, i v seen some conversation about server, are you looking for some? [08:01] soee: no I think we have all the server we need currently thanks [08:01] ok :) [08:04] you survived Scotland ? [08:08] yossarianuk: I have lived here for over 30 years :) [08:12] Riddell: Ah good stuff <<< im half scottish myself . [08:17] yossarianuk: welcome along, new to the channel? [08:17] yes - I have been bugging people about the UEFI bug with 13.10... [08:18] thanks much needed, I see bug 1242417 is needing testing [08:18] bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 [08:18] but I'm unsure how to test, how do you upgrade if it won't boot? [08:21] Riddel: Install as normal - then chroot into the new install [08:21] then add ppa and apt-get dist-upgrade [08:22] actually, you'll want to wait a bit [08:22] and enable proposed [08:23] fix is in -proposed [08:23] however still needs grub2-signed rebuilt against new grub-efi-amd64 [08:23] aah [08:23] yossarianuk: I think you won't get the upgrade because you're running my PPA [08:23] same version [08:24] Riddell: can you upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.23.dsc [08:24] and https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/grub2-signed_1.22.1.dsc [08:25] apachelogger: a) I'd check with upstream whether it is fine to backport that without the associated qt libraries [08:25] atleast for libnm-qt that is not true [08:26] you need the latest bugfix version of libnm-qt for the latest bugfix of plasma-nm [08:38] shadeslayer: onto it [09:04] ScottK: quasse upstart looks fine, but upstart is not really my area of expertise so you should probably have someone from foundations look at it real quick [09:07] shadeslayer: so.... we want to SRU muon 2.1 or what? [09:07] apachelogger: already done? [09:07] oh? [09:07] apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/muon/+bug/1243807 [09:07] Ubuntu bug 1243807 in muon (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] Update Muon to 2.1.0" [Undecided,Fix committed] [09:07] go move trello cards? :P [09:08] and compile a list of what we reported and was fixed :P [09:08] ufff [09:08] I didn't file bugs [09:08] I just showed apol what didn't work [09:08] and he fixed them all [09:08] the card has all -updater issues [09:09] * apachelogger gets too much bug mail [09:11] shadeslayer: also plasma-nm card needs moving to doing I rckon [09:12] apachelogger: I don't know if KDE bug 326245 was fixed [09:12] KDE bug 326245 in installer "knsbackend crash on nil pointers from resourcesmodel" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326245 [09:12] can you check? [09:13] shadeslayer: that's the crash on start [09:13] ah cool then [09:14] * apachelogger shakes head at bug 1166102 [09:14] bug 1166102 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Cannot mix incompatible Qt library" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1166102 [09:23] ::runtime-bugs:: [1244054] Can't enable Compose key @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244054 (by Anubhav Chattoraj) === emma is now known as em [12:06] shadeslayer: fix kdeconnect already! [12:10] Good afternoon. [12:27] Hi folks [12:53] just upgraded to 13.10 here at work :) not even single error [12:53] soee: I had a similar experience [12:54] :) [12:54] i have a feeling that overall performance is a bit better now [12:55] However, one thing about the upgrade... could we somehow patch dpkg or something to keep going, even if configs need attention? stoppping while the user answers a non essential question like, "do you want to keep or replace xorg.conf" is STUPID! [12:55] shadeslayer: that comment from upstream is nonesense [12:56] you can inject arbitrary translation catalogs [12:56] shadeslayer: regarding plasma-nm [12:58] jussi in my cas it asked about apache config [12:58] so i think its important here to keep local configuration [12:59] soee: yes, I agree. it asked a few different things for me, but the point was, it should keep installing in the background, even though it is waiting for input on that small issue [13:14] quiet day today [13:18] jussi: whut? :S [13:18] * shadeslayer was out lunching [13:18] and violining [13:19] shadeslayer: how do we fix kdeconnect? [13:19] what's broken? [13:19] shadeslayer: bug 1244064 [13:19] bug 1244064 in kdeconnect-kde (Ubuntu) "Protocol mismatch saucy and android play store versions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1244064 [13:19] I like how the package is called kdeconnect-kde [13:19] because the name doesn't have enough KDE in it [13:20] kde connect doesnt currently work... [13:20] :/ [13:21] I don't see a new release http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdeconnect/0.3/src/ [13:22] apt-get autoremove wants to delete: kdebase-runtime is it ok ? [13:23] yes [13:23] only a transitional package [13:24] thank you [13:25] shadeslayer: hrr [13:25] I wonder if the guy uploaded something weird to the play store [13:25] some git version [13:29] shadeslayer: 0.3.1 is the android version [13:29] yes I see [13:31] I can't even install [13:33] ScottK: grub2-signed in saucy-proposed unapproved queue for bug 1242417 [13:33] bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417 [13:34] shadeslayer: I fixed the debian/control file to require grub2 2.00-19ubuntu2.1 [13:36] aha, possibly we need to do the same for trusty? [13:38] shadeslayer: too late :) [13:43] :P [13:56] ta da http://tr.kubuntu.org/ [14:53] does the new status 'fix released' for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 mean that now as long as you enable updates during install UEFI installs will now work? [14:53] Ubuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] [14:53] or will I still have to chroot to fix it ? [14:55] yossarianuk: it's only in -proposed for now so it won't get updated unless you add that manually, we need to test it to ensure it works [14:56] yossarianuk: it'll go into -updates once we've tested a 7 days have passed then it should be picked up by anyone who ticks install updates during install [15:02] ok - I already have the version from the PPA... [15:02] (i may re-install tonight to help test and speed things along.) [15:02] (depends on how my 6th month old son is tonight.....) [15:20] yossarianuk: yes please test the packages from -proposed, otherwise it's not part of the SRU process and doesn't let the packages progress to -updates [15:32] yossarianuk: if you reinstall, please check if your problem gets fixed by clicking the "Update packages during install" checkbox [15:36] shadeslayer: Riddell: will do [15:38] here is a semi off topic question .... I have always wanted to pick up a programming language - The only languages I have ever used really is Basic on the Amiga/Commodore64/Dragon32 , HMTL and a bit of PHP - I'm pretty good at bash scripting and I understand package building (I have a PPA with latest nvidia and I maintain the nvidia-rt Arch Linux package..) - what you would you recommend to me if I want to learn a 'proper' language [15:38] shadeslayer: it won't if they're just in -proposed [15:38] Riddell: would enabling proposed fix that? [15:39] shadeslayer: you'd have to do it manually and update in the chroot, I don't know of any way to get ubiquity to do that [15:39] well, there is just one proper language :) [15:39] yossarianuk: I'm a big fan of python [15:39] Thanks for your input.... [15:40] shadeslayer: what is the one proper ? [15:40] Riddell: uhm, so if I enable proposed, ubiquity will still generate a sources.list without -proposed ? :/ [15:40] yossarianuk: C [15:40] ok thanks. [15:41] so (back on topic..) I need to install - chroot - enable proposed then dist-upgrade / [15:43] shadeslayer: what's in /etc/apt/sources.list on the live image is unrelated to what gets installed onto the hard disk [15:43] yossarianuk: ug don't go learning C, it's a horrible way to start programming [15:44] which is interesting because I thought ubiquity checks what's enabled on the CD and enables the same on the target [15:44] yossarianuk: I'd search for python and pyqt beginners tutorials [15:45] Ohh python is lovely :) [15:46] if you like Python, then you might like Go [15:46] mix of C and Python [15:46] Riddell: thanks ! [15:46] I'm guessing there are a lot of QT programmers in the KDE world... [17:12] right - just checking before I do it... [17:12] to test UEFI [17:12] just install - chroot - + proposed updates - dist-upgrade - reboot [17:12] (am doing to new install..) [17:18] yossarianuk: yes I think so [17:18] yossarianuk: plz wait [17:18] Riddell is uploading something? [17:18] or not required? [17:19] mm I don't know [17:19] grub2 sound pretty required [17:20] I'd rather have both the packages tested together [17:20] so that yossarianuk doesn't have to do another test xD [17:20] yeah [17:24] i can wait if need be... [17:26] yossarianuk: yeah hold off for a few hours [17:27] * shadeslayer is wrapping things up for the day [17:29] cya tomorrow [17:29] ciao [17:29] or should I say adios? [17:29] ok [17:29] np - got to bath my boy anyway.... [17:30] i'll check later [17:44] yossarianuk: building now, should appear in the archive in < an hour, make sure you set your chroot to use archive.ubuntu.com not xx.archive.ubuntu.com as that'll be a few more hours behind [18:03] Riddell: so do I need to enable proposed updates in the chroot ? [18:04] i'll be doing in about 9 ish UK time I think (if little man goes to sleep...) [19:15] I take it the package is ready ? [19:15] (UEFI test) [19:30] hello all [19:32] Riddell: thanks for correcting the ubuntu docs meeting about our docs :) [19:32] Hey ahoneybun, how are you? [19:42] lordievader: pretty good excited for my meeting tomorrow, you? [19:44] ahoneybun: Ah your Kubuntu member meeting? Best of luck! I'm doing good, messing with Fluxbox. [19:47] yep thanks nic [19:47] e [20:25] hi - just before i re-install to test the new packages from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 - I need to chroot + then add proposed-updates, then update grub packages? [20:25] Ubuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] [20:26] yossarianuk: Possible usefull: ping some people to get their attention ;) [20:30] riddell: sorry if I have just pinged mutiple times... [20:31] I'd imagine everybodies shut down for the night - I'm going to give it a go and report back. [20:31] there is something liberating about wiping all os's and starting fresh.... [21:23] The proposed updates for'https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 seem to work fine from a fresh install [21:23] Ubuntu bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] [21:24] however it does add a 2nd UEFI entry (you cannot get rid of (whilst the /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu folder exists) [21:24] but it boots now. [21:25] please comment on the report :) [21:25] will do - cheers [21:43] anyone have good results dual booting with a lenovo that has 2 different graphics? [21:44] ahoneybun: I have a T530. I don't dual-boot, but I know you can disable Optimus and use either the Intel graphics only or the Nvidia graphics only. [21:44] shadeslayer: do I just need to update with my findings or do I need to change the status of the bug, etc ? [21:45] just post a comment [21:45] mamarley: I think that depends on the BIOS [21:45] dine [21:45] with a tag saying "Verification succeeded" [21:45] done [21:45] EFI whatever [21:45] np [21:45] ahoneybun: It does, but Thinkpads have that option. [21:45] this is a Ideapad [21:46] Ah, OK. No experience there. [21:47] mamarley: similiar set up though [21:47] I did get Ubuntu installed with WIndows [21:47] it just gave me a error [21:47] when trying to boot Ubuntu windows worked fine [21:49] mamarley: you do need a nomodeset in the kernel p [21:50] to boot the installer [21:51] ah missed him [21:52] mm but it seems to mostly work which is good [21:52] I'll test it tomorrow too [21:52] Riddell: dearly sorry I missed the ubuntu doc meeting' [21:53] ahoneybun: I have never actually tried booting mine in Optimus mode. [21:54] mamarley: well I don't really have a choice BIOS/EFI wise I believ [21:54] e [21:54] ahoneybun: Yeah, I don't think the Ideapad has that option. [21:57] mamarley: yea [23:06] wow [23:06] https://madiba.encs.concordia.ca/~x_decarn/truecrypt-binaries-analysis/ [23:06] Somebody had too much time on their hands I guess