[01:26] <qingluo> hi all, why i use lxde with lubuntu. it requires my passwd when i press shutdown button in graphic mode
[01:30] <hyperair> do you have any other users logged in? i think polkit requires root access to shutdown a system that has others still logged in.
[01:36] <hyperair> no wait, maybe it's a consolekit failing
[01:54] <qingluo> yep
[01:54] <qingluo> i have a root log in background
[01:54] <qingluo> linaro's system
[02:39] <ianorlin> I think it is so people don't log other users out and mess up their data
[02:42] <hyperair> ianorlin: yeah i'd think so too, but the polkit files don't seem to show any difference in behaviour..
[02:43] <hyperair> check out the two <action>...</action> blocks from this command: sed -n '/power-off"/,/\/action/p; /power-off-multiple-session/,/\/action/p' /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy
[02:45] <Unit193> hyperair: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.login1 /org/freedesktop/login1 org.freedesktop.login1.Manager.CanPowerOff    if you are using logind.
[02:45] <hyperair> ooih
[02:46] <hyperair> it says "challenge"
[02:46] <hyperair> CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.
[02:46] <hyperair> wait, how do i accept this challenge?
[02:46] <Unit193> string "yes"
[02:46] <hyperair> hmm.
[02:46] <hyperair> maybe it means to prompt me?
[02:46] <hyperair> i mean i have a guest account active right now
[02:47] <hyperair> so maybe it just prompts me for yes/no confirmation
[02:47] <hyperair> hang on, wasn't logind supposed to replace consolekit? i still have consolekit running.
[02:48] <hyperair> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/ this says possible, but only after authorization.
[02:49] <hyperair> poking around consolekit's dbus methods says that CanRestart -> false, and CanStop -> false
[02:49] <hyperair> hmm
[02:50] <hyperair> GetSessions() gives me a blank array
[02:50] <hyperair> derp
[02:54] <Unit193> `ck-list-sessions` ?
[02:54] <hyperair> nothin
[02:54] <hyperair> is it supposed to have stuff?
[02:54] <hyperair> or is logind supposed to handle it now?
[02:54] <Unit193> logind is supposed to, but not so sure how it works in Lubuntu.
[02:55] <hyperair> well, i'm on ubuntu
[02:55] <hyperair> eh interesting, i can remove consolekit.
[02:55] <hyperair> i don't think it's being used.
[02:55] <Unit193> Logind is what's used there.
[02:56] <hyperair> except by KDE, apparently.
[02:56] <hyperair>  libpolkit-qt-1-1 : Depends: consolekit but it is not going to be installed.
[02:56] <Unit193> hyperair: dpkg -l | grep systemd
[02:56] <hyperair> and with it, goes kdelibs5-plugins
[06:41] <llogiq> Hi folks. I just updated to 13.10 and now ssh always asks for my rsa key. What has changed and how can I restore the old behavior?
[06:45] <hyperair> llogiq: what's the old behaviour?
[06:45] <roscogruen> i'm wanting to use unetbootin to make a usb install stick.  "lubuntu" is not a choice but other ubuntu types are.  which do i choose
[06:45] <roscogruen> ?
[06:45] <hyperair> asking for your rsa key seems like correct behaviour to me
[06:45] <Unit193> hyperair: Gnome keyring.
[06:45] <Unit193> roscogruen: Download ISO, use the ISO option.
[06:45] <hyperair> Unit193: oh the agent
[06:46] <hyperair> is lubuntu using the upstart user session too?
[06:46] <roscogruen> what iso option, Unit193 ?
[06:47] <roscogruen> ooooh
[06:47] <Unit193> Yep, in unetbootin.
[06:47] <llogiq> Unit193, thanks, that should do the trick
[06:48] <Unit193> hyperair: I thought they all were, but not sure and haven't upgraded yet. :P
[06:49] <llogiq> Nope, that didn't do anything. It still asks for the passphrase to my rsa key.
[06:50] <hyperair> llogiq: you need to get the ssh-agent info
[06:50] <hyperair> it's in the SSH_AUTH_SOCK environment variable
[06:50] <roscogruen> i've a usb stick in the port now but it doesn't pick it up.  suggests i reformat to FAT32.  i'm lost
[06:55] <hyperair> run blkid on the usb stick partition
[06:55] <hyperair> as root
[06:56] <hyperair> Unit193: okay, i've done some poking around, and i have absolutely no idea how gnome-sessoin handles environment variables any more.
[06:56] <hyperair> Unit193: it used to be set inside /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
[06:56] <hyperair> but it's shifted away to /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-keyring-ssh.desktop
[06:56] <hyperair> but afaik nothing plugs directly into the gnome-session process, so how does it set environment variables?
[06:57] <hyperair> =\
[06:57] <hyperair> oh Apps in this phase can make use of a D-Bus interface to set environment variables in gnome-session's environment. This can be used for things like $GTK_MODULES, $GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET, etc
[06:57] <hyperair> it's broken for lubuntu then.
[06:58] <hyperair> derp
[06:58] <llogiq> yep.
[06:59] <llogiq> I got a /tmp/ssh-LUserGaRBleD/agent.1234 socket
[07:01] <llogiq> @roscogruen: Maybe unplugging it and plugging it in again might help? Otherwise, which version of UNetBootin do you use? My version here has Lubuntu alright.
[07:02] <llogiq> roscogruen, if you want to format the stick, mkfs.vfat is your friend.
[07:03] <hyperair> llogiq: can you check if your user has a process called init running?
[07:04] <Unit193> hyperair: What about /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/desktop.conf?
[07:04] <hyperair> oh i didn't know there was something like that.
[07:04]  * hyperair isn't familiar with lxsession
[07:05] <hyperair> but gnome-keyring-daemon invoked with `gnome-keyring-daemon -s` shows you the environment variables
[07:05] <hyperair> so you could basically put something like [ -n "$DISPLAY" ] && eval $(gnome-kerying-daemon -s)
[07:09] <llogiq> hyperair, "ps aux | grep init" returns, among the grep and /sbin/init a "init --user" entry
[07:09] <llogiq> So yes, the user init is running.
[07:10] <llogiq> The gnome-keyring-daemon also runs, if that helps
[07:10] <hyperair> eh?
[07:10] <hyperair> by default?
[07:11] <hyperair> or not?
[07:12] <llogiq> I think I started it when trying things out.
[07:12] <llogiq> Maybe I'll just reboot and come back if the problem persists.
[07:13] <hyperair> well the simplest way is to just dump this line: [ -n "$DISPLAY" ] && eval $(gnome-keyring-daemon --start)
[07:13] <hyperair> inside your .bashrc
[07:13] <hyperair> you just need to log out and log back in
[07:13] <hyperair> or if you're trying out the bashrc trick, then open a new terminal
[07:17] <llogiq> hyperair, this doesn't export the values
[07:18] <llogiq> Ah, my fault, I mis-copied it :-)
[07:19] <llogiq> Thanks, hyperair.
[07:20] <llogiq> What needs to be done for this to be fixed in the main Lubuntu? I know ISOs will not change, but which packages should be changed?
[07:20] <hyperair> llogiq: oh yeah whoops, sorry about that.
[07:21] <hyperair> llogiq: it's eval $(set -e; gnome-keyring-daemon --start)
[07:21] <hyperair> oh and unset -e
[07:21] <hyperair> eh not -e
[07:21] <hyperair> -a
[07:21] <hyperair> eval $(set -a gnome-keyring-daemon --start; unset -a)
[07:23] <llogiq> hyperair, this gives me an error: "bash: unset: -a: Invalid Option"
[07:23] <hyperair> whoops
[07:24] <llogiq> I'll go with your original version: [ -n "$DISPLAY" ] && eval $(gnome-keyring-daemon --start)  - it works for me
[07:24] <llogiq> Thank you for the workaround.
[07:24] <hyperair> uh okay
[07:24] <llogiq> Again, does anybody know which package would we need to patch to bring this fix into mainline?
[07:25] <hyperair> this wasn't a fix
[07:25] <hyperair> this was a hack
[07:25] <llogiq> Sure thing. Ok, let me rephrase that.
[07:25] <llogiq> What can be done to fix this problem in mainline?
[07:25] <hyperair> the right fix would probably be to get gnome-keyring ported to upstart
[07:26] <hyperair> so that it sets the env vars inside upstart instead
[07:26] <llogiq> Ok
[07:36] <llogiq> There is a file /usr/share/upstart/sessions/ssh-agent.conf which contains what you specified, except it uses ssh-agent instead of gnome-keyring-daemon
[07:39] <llogiq> so it should (in theory) already work. I'll revert the bashrc hack, reboot and see if that was an odd post-installation error.
[07:39] <llogiq> brb
[07:43] <llogiq> No, that doesn't work for some reason.
[07:50] <llogiq> How do I debug upstart?
[07:50] <llogiq> I'd like to know if the ssh-agent job was run
[08:32] <hyperair> inictl list
[08:32] <hyperair> er
[08:32] <hyperair> initctl list
[08:41] <llogiq> thanks, hyperair - ssh-agent is running. Why doesn't it cache the id_rsa passphrase?
[08:41] <hyperair> llogiq: because ssh-agent is the wrong one.
[08:42] <llogiq> I see.
[08:42] <hyperair> llogiq: with ssh-agent, you have to manually add it via ssh-add
[08:42] <llogiq> So the solution would be to disable ssh-agent and use a similar upstart script to run gnome-keyring-daemon?
[08:42] <hyperair> gnome-keyring-daemon implements the ssh-agent interface, but isn't the same as ssh-agent
[08:42] <hyperair> yesh something like that.
[08:43] <hyperair> the existing ssh-agent script is in /usr/share/upstart/sessions/ssh-agent.conf
[08:43] <llogiq> I know.
[08:43] <hyperair> right
[08:43] <hyperair> just cp it into ~/.config/upstart/ as gnome-keyring-daemon.conf and modify it to use g-k-d instead
[08:46] <llogiq> Interestingly, synaptics shows libgnome-keyring0 as defect.
[08:47] <llogiq> Also gnome-keyring comes with /etc/xdg/autostart files
[08:47] <llogiq> But apparently that works only for gnome.
[08:49] <qingluo> my lubuntu didn't recognize hdmi screen well, how can i set the xorg.conf file to recognize it?
[08:59] <llogiq> I'll be back after trying out my upstart script.
[09:02] <llogiq> Yep, it worked.#
[09:02] <llogiq> Someone interested in getting the upstart script into the gnome-keyring-daemon package?
[09:03] <llogiq> (which could effectively replace the xdg autostart files)
[09:05] <brainwash> the keyring cannot be enabled via lubuntu's default apps config dialog?
[09:07] <Unit193> lxsession-edit, I saw it in there, on Raring.  I still don't know much about Lubuntu on Saucy. :/
[09:10] <llogiq> Unit193, apparently it is no longer available on saucy. But as hyperair said, using upstart is the right fix.
[09:10] <llogiq> So why not fix it while we're at it?
[09:18] <brainwash> lxsession-default-apps?
[09:19] <brainwash> here's a picture of it http://i.stack.imgur.com/HTvnJ.png
[09:20] <llogiq> brainwash: I know it (having run Lubuntu since 10.10)
[09:21] <llogiq> Still, it's not here by default.
[09:21] <llogiq> I'm in the process of creating a bug on launchpad attaching the upstart script.
[09:22] <brainwash> does lubuntu even utilize the upstart user session?
[09:23] <brainwash> looks like it does
[09:27] <llogiq> Apparently, yes. And I just opened bug #1244138
[09:27] <llogiq> thanks, ubottu
[09:27] <llogiq> :-)
[09:28] <llogiq> cu folks, I've got work to do.
[09:32] <brainwash> mmh, but lxsession-default-apps offers the user to enable xdg autostart entries or select a default app to manage the keyring
[10:26] <llogiq> Hi again. Lunch break ;-)
[10:27] <bioterror> llogiq, if you want to chat, you can join #lubuntu-offtopic
[10:28] <llogiq> Since 13.10 can lock the screen using lightdm-greeter, can I remove xscreensaver?
[10:31] <Unit193> It can't.
[10:33] <llogiq> Unit193, Go to the logout screen and select "Lock".
[10:33] <Unit193> llogiq: ...Then hit CTRL+Alt+F7 ;)
[10:33] <brainwash> bug 1205384
[10:34]  * Unit193 wonders if brainwash highlights on that.
[10:34] <brainwash> :P
[10:39] <lehongnguyen> hi everyone
[10:39] <lehongnguyen> when I doubleclick on an icon, how can I know it works
[10:40] <lehongnguyen> sometimes I open it few times, because I don't see anything open
[10:53] <llogiq> brainwash, Unit193 : Great. I'll probably be OK with suckless (in fact I quite like it), but I'll need something more user friendly for my wife.
[10:54] <llogiq> cu folks (back to work)
[11:19] <ozbrk> hi guys are there any other menu appellts which we can use
[11:19] <ozbrk> I mean different menu styles
[13:31] <nb-eca> greetings
[13:31] <nb-eca> some languages do not display well on my firefox or chrome
[13:31] <nb-eca> im on lxle btw
[13:31] <nb-eca> any ideas?
[13:48] <holstein> nb-eca: lxle is its own thing.. they might have a support channel.. not sure
[13:48] <holstein> nb-eca: what languages do what exactly? do you have or want to take a screenshot?
[13:53] <nb-eca> oh sorry
[13:53] <nb-eca> some korean and chinese characters
[13:54] <nb-eca> i'd post this in their forums
[13:54] <nb-eca> :)
[13:56] <nb-eca> i'll *
[13:56] <llogiq> hi again. Apropos characters: Has anyone else noticed that with 13.10 sometimes characters will show up wrong? Marking the text seems to repair it.
[14:10] <brainwash> llogiq: visual glitch? intel gpu?
[14:12] <llogiq> brainwash: I'm afraid yes.
[14:13] <brainwash> some intel chips are affected by this weird font rendering issue, if SNA is being used as accel method (default)
[14:13] <llogiq> How do I change the method?
[14:13] <brainwash> bug 1098334
[14:13] <llogiq> Thanks, brainwash
[14:15] <brainwash> llogiq: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_Graphics#Choose_acceleration_method
[14:16] <brainwash> UXA was the previous default method
[14:16] <brainwash> it's slower, but does cause less visual glitches
[14:21] <llogiq> cu folks.
[19:24] <Stretchy> Hi there, new to Lubuntu and excited to really dive in but I'm having an issue determining what firmware I need to get wireless to work.  I'm sure you get this question all the time so I figured this was the best place to look.
[19:27] <Unit193> Stretchy: Open lxterminal,  lspci
[19:30] <mikkie> I have a big problem with my Screen-Configuration. -> I have two n210 (nvidia) cards in my pc and four screens but however I try (nvidia-settings or xorg.conf) I cant set them right to split screen all over them. please help
[19:31] <Unit193> mikkie: Nvidia settings I thought would take care of it, but have you installed and tried using arandr?
[19:32] <mikkie> yes I have tried both
[19:32] <mikkie> arandr lets me turn on and off the screens of the first graphic card
[19:33] <mikkie> the other are gray
[19:33] <mikkie> grayed-out
[19:34] <mikkie> nvidia-settings shows them all but doesnt do the job
[19:36] <mikkie> and even if it does than I have two running and the others are turned off or black (when move mouse over it turns from arrow to X) or just background of loginscreen
[19:37] <Unit193> I have setup dual monitors only once, and it went off without a hitch, so not much more I can say there.  Maybe someone else might know.  The nvidia drivers are in use I'd presume?
[19:38] <mikkie> I think so
[19:38]  * ianorlin unfortuanley hasn't treid multiple monitors
[19:39] <Unit193> `lsmod`  to find out.
[19:39] <mikkie> is there an option to do it with xrandr?
[19:41] <mikkie> mikkie@desktop:/media/data/home/mikkie$ lsmod | egrep "nouveau|nvidia|vesa"
[19:41] <mikkie> nvidia               9430532  222
[19:44] <GoGoo> The problem with Lubuntu 13.10 is that it does not have the plug and play printers drivers like the other Ubuntu’s do.  I had to manually add the printer driver of my HP Deskjet 1050A All-in-One printer by going into the Printer Settings Menu in Lubuntu.  It allowed me to add the recommended driver for my printer but when I tried to print something with it nothing came out of the printer.
[19:45] <Unit193> Install hplip.
[19:45] <GoGoo> The problem with the HPLIP is that you need the internet to install it completely.  But I do not have the internet at home so can somebody tell how I can get my printer working without it?
[19:48] <phillw> Unit193: does not the .deb have all the data? It's ~ 6.3 Mb
[19:49] <GoGoo> The HPLIB does not come with a .DEB file.
[19:49] <Unit193> GoGoo: I see nothing in the post or preinst scripts that would prevent it.  Sure it does!  apt-get download hplip  on a computer with internet.
[19:50] <Unit193> phillw: Check it yourself, see if it does.  People fail, I may overlook something.
[19:50] <GoGoo> The HPLIP is .RUN file or a TAR.GZ file.
[19:50] <phillw> GoGoo: also you may want to look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1157609 which is specifically for installing on a machine with no internet.
[19:51] <phillw> GoGoo: the .deb is available at http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/hplip-data/download
[19:51] <ianorlin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptCdrom would this be of help
[19:51] <phillw> but I think that forum thread may better explain things.
[19:52] <Unit193> ianorlin: Better to use apt-offline
[19:53] <ianorlin> ok
[19:53] <ianorlin> thank you
[19:53] <GoGoo> Thanks guys.  To resolve the problem I installed Xubuntu.  Its has plug and play drivers.  But I prefer Lubuntu over Xubuntu.
[19:55] <Stretchy> Unit193: Thanks for the help.  I'll try that out.
[19:55] <wxl> Stretchy: did you get taken care of?
[19:56] <Unit193> Well, not fully.
[19:56] <Stretchy> I'm going to try the lspci in terminal
[19:56] <wxl> ah, k
[19:56] <wxl> that would be helpful :)
[19:56]  * wxl goes back to work
[19:56] <phillw> GoGoo: that's the advantage of being dvd sized :D Lubuntu, however, are comitted to CD size.
[19:56] <Stretchy> I'm away from my laptop that I'm trying to get working so I can't do much from here but I'll take your advice and give it a try when I get home.
[19:57] <Unit193> Stretchy: That will only tell you what card you have, you have to know/figure out from there what you need.
[19:57] <wxl> Stretchy: unfortunately that's not so much advice as it is a necessary investigative step that's a precursor to giving advice
[19:57] <wxl> Stretchy: what kind of laptop is it?
[19:57] <Unit193> !bcm | Doesn't mean it's this, but tends to be more often than not. :P
[19:58] <wxl> tru dat!
[19:58] <Stretchy> I see.  I have to admit I don't have a whole lot of experience with this but I'm trying to learn all that I can.
[19:58] <wxl> the word "firmware" kind of tipped me off :)
[19:59] <Stretchy> it's a Toshiba Satellite...can't think of the specific model off the top of my head...
[19:59] <Stretchy> Let me look through my notes as I wrote it down somewhere because I new I'd need to know it at some point in this process
[20:00] <wxl> yeah there are like 30,000 of the darn things
[20:00] <Stretchy> yeah that's why I can't remember off the top of my head...
[20:00] <wxl> :)
[20:02] <Stretchy> I'm going to head out, fire up the ol' laptop when I get home later, and hop on here and do this all "live".  That'll probably be the best plan of attack...
[20:02] <Stretchy> thanks for your help so far and I'll be back later
[20:09] <Unit193> Make sure to ping wxl when you do! :----D
[22:32] <sisterFister> hello is anyone here?
[22:33] <phillw> !ask | sisterFister
[22:33] <phillw>  :D
[22:35] <sisterFister> Thanks. So I'm using Lubuntu and really like it. The thing is that in the terminal the letters are spaced very strangely, some overlapping and others too far apart. Changing the fonts to monospace in the "customize look and feel" options didn't solve the issue either. Anyone know how to fix this?
[22:35] <wxl> sisterFister: screenshot?
[22:36] <phillw> !screenshot | phillw
[22:37] <phillw> wxl: the factoid is wrong :(
[22:37] <wxl> sisterFister: you know how to handle a screenshot?
[22:38] <sisterFister> wxl: lol not here in lubuntu
[22:38] <wxl> sisterFister: just hit print screen. it'll be in ~
[22:38] <phillw> !screenshot | wxl
[22:38] <sisterFister> i pressed the button and am used to it being saved in the pictures folder
[22:39] <sisterFister> it's not in ~
[22:39] <phillw> sisterFister: it get saved to your home directory
[22:39] <wxl> ~ = /home/$(whoami)
[22:40] <wxl> if it's not there for some reason, ~/Desktop is possible
[22:40] <sisterFister> not there either.
[22:40] <wxl> oh for pete's sake
[22:40] <sisterFister> I know how to take a screenshot lol.
[22:40] <phillw> wxl: I'll leave this with you, having both of us chatting will complicate; but PrtSc gets saved where you said
[22:41] <sisterFister> how do i shot screen?
[22:41] <sisterFister> jk
[22:41] <sisterFister> i'll be back in a bit guys.
[22:41] <wxl> sisterFister: try scrot /path/to/filename
[23:59] <sisterFister> so I installed knapshot to get a screenshot. Print sc key didn't seem to be auto saving to anywhere. Anyway any insight as to why my terminal letter spacing looks this way? http://imgur.com/085KN3r