[00:08] <Ghost1227> evening all
[00:16] <a_muva> FYI: mplayer via commend line works
[00:16] <a_muva> I also tried VLC but I had no luck
[00:17] <Ghost1227> sweet on mplayer
[00:37] <Ghost1227> still struggling with apparmor and kernel setup :(
[00:38] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: what is the problem?
[00:39] <Ghost1227> comprehension >_<
[00:39] <Ghost1227> i get that far, and understand pretty much everything after it (in theory) but for some reason i keep getting stuck there
[00:39] <Ghost1227> i was never good with apparmor even on desktop
[00:40] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: are you trying to build the kernel?
[00:40] <jjohansen> patch the kernel? Or is it another issue
[00:40] <Ghost1227> patching the kernel
[00:40] <Ghost1227> or hell, figuring out what kernel to use
[00:41] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/AppArmorForPhabletKernels
[00:41] <Ghost1227> yep
[00:41] <jjohansen> yes its rough
[00:41] <Ghost1227> yea...
[00:41] <Ghost1227> lol
[00:41] <Ghost1227> to be expected, it's still a new product
[00:41] <jjohansen> alright, so what is the device?
[00:41] <Ghost1227> d2vzw
[00:42] <jjohansen> err I assume that is the droid 2 for verizon wireless?
[00:42] <Ghost1227> no
[00:42] <Ghost1227> though that would be logical
[00:42] <Ghost1227> galaxy s3 verizon
[00:43] <jjohansen> oh! hrmmm
[00:43] <Ghost1227> lol
[00:43] <Ghost1227> i did a double take first time i saw that codename for the galaxy
[00:44] <Ghost1227> i also made the assumption that with some history in porting and being a linux dev already this would be easier than it is :P
[00:44] <Ghost1227> i think those two things are working against me rather than for me
[00:44] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: how different is than https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9300
[00:45] <Ghost1227> hardware wise they're similar, but the modems are quite different
[00:46] <jjohansen> right so I was wondering if it would be possible to start with that as a base and patch in the modem drivers
[00:46] <Ghost1227> in other words... not compatible, but not entirely dissimilar
[00:47] <Ghost1227> i'd thought of that, not sure if it'd work. i'd really like to understand the whole process though... hence trying to figure it out from the ground up
[00:47] <jjohansen> right
[00:48] <jjohansen> so I would start with the cygenomod kernel
[00:50] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: the apparmor bit is actually pretty easy, if you just copy the apparmor directory over. What I do is checkout one of the backport kernels, rebase so I don't have the backport patches on it. copy the directory, and use that
[00:50] <jjohansen> I then cherry-pick the backport patches in order
[00:51] <jjohansen> you could just take the whole thing with out the backport patches, depending on the kernel
[00:51] <jjohansen> the backport patches only touch the apparmor directory
[00:52] <jjohansen> the whole backport has been done so the apparmor backport does not touch the rest of the kernel
[00:52] <jjohansen> this avoids breaking abi
[00:56] <Ghost1227> hmmm
[01:03] <rick_> hhello
[01:03] <rick_> i have a next7p12-8g tablet i want to install ubuntu
[01:04] <rick_> can someone help me please
[01:04] <Ghost1227> rick_: has anyone ported it to that yet?
[01:04] <rick_> no
[01:05] <Ghost1227> so you're not just installing it, you're porting it?
[01:05] <rick_> im not sure
[01:05] <Ghost1227> lol
[01:05] <rick_> ive been reading and am vry confused
[01:05] <rick_> i want to run ubuntu on my android tablet
[01:05] <Ghost1227> I'd start here if you haven't https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[01:06] <rick_> i have to port before i root?
[01:07] <Ghost1227> rick_: rooting isn't part of ubuntu, it's part of ANY custom rom
[01:07] <Ghost1227> you've never rooted your device?
[01:07] <rick_> so no need to root device?
[01:07] <rick_> no i have not yet
[01:07] <Ghost1227> you do need to root, yes
[01:07] <Ghost1227> hang on
[01:08] <rick_> thanks ghost i appreciate all the help
[01:11] <Ghost1227> not much out there on the nextbook...
[01:11] <rick_> ghost
[01:14] <Ghost1227> yes?
[01:15] <rick_> im lost here
[01:16] <rick_> any help would be greatly appreciated
[01:16] <Ghost1227> well porting touch is irrelevant until you can root the device... and i have yet to find a reliable method for rooting it
[01:17] <rick_> no reliable method for rooting my device?
[01:17] <rick_> next7p12-8g
[01:17] <Ghost1227> i haven't found one at any of my usual sources
[01:19] <rick_> http://www.blogotechblog.com/2012/02/how-to-root-nextbook-premium-7-tablet/
[01:19] <rick_> will that work?
[01:19] <Ghost1227> jjohansen: cm kernel located in /kernel? and kernel already has a d2 directory... separate i assume?
[01:19] <Ghost1227> rick_: it's possible... that's for a 7 and i believe yours is an 8
[01:20] <rick_> oh
[01:23] <rog3r> hi, I'm installing maguro onto a toro device. I'm currently looking at , "E:Can't open /cache/recovery/ubuntu_command\nautodeploy.zip not found." Googling suggests it might clear if I wait long enough. Your thoughts?
[01:24] <Ghost1227> i'm thinking the \n doesn't belong there... or at least the \. Linux paths use a /, \n means newline
[01:24] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: I meant I would check the cm project and grab what ever kernel they had for the galaxy s3 as a base, and then start patching it
[01:25] <Ghost1227> jjohansen: working through that now
[01:25] <rog3r> Ghost1227: sorry, I entered \n to indicate the following data was on a newline.
[01:26] <Ghost1227> jjohansen: i actually meant where should the kernel be in the directory structure
[01:26] <Ghost1227> rog3r: ah
[01:27] <jjohansen> Ghost1227: I don't know I've never messed with the android side bits of the kernel
[01:27] <Ghost1227> jjohansen: lmao fair enough
[01:29]  * jjohansen really should work through doing a port some time, but all the devices I have already have a port, and /me is too lazy to do one when when already exists
[01:29] <Ghost1227> lol
[01:29] <Ghost1227> i'd be doing one anyway just for the experience
[01:29] <Ghost1227> and knowledge
[01:30] <rick_> ghost i  have a 7 model
[01:30] <rick_> next7p12-8g
[01:30] <jjohansen> yeah I need to, its finding time when its not something that is critical
[01:31] <rick_> ever heard of Cydia Impactor
[01:31] <Ghost1227> time is why i'm still this early in the port after four days
[01:32] <jjohansen> yeah
[01:33] <jjohansen> rick_: so I don't see the next7 on the list of devices that ubuntu touch has been ported to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[01:34] <jjohansen> that would mean after rooting your device, you would need to port ubuntu touch to it
[01:35] <rick_> ok so i can root with cydia impactor?
[01:35] <rick_> then i need to port ubuntu to device
[01:36] <rick_> i clicked erase and restore device and its taking forever...so i cant try anyting just yet
[01:36] <rick_> if i try to end that process thats bad right?
[01:37] <Ghost1227> probably...
[01:37] <jjohansen> rick_: it is best to let that finish, it can take a while
[01:46] <rick_> ok takes hours huh?
[01:47] <rog3r> nvm what I said. Since seeing the error, I started over and it seems to be making further progress in spite of the error.
[02:55] <rog3r> I installed ubuntu phone. yay! Now it shows "google" on boot and never gets past it. :(
[02:56] <rog3r> so I rebooted and selected recovery mode, but even that only shows the google logo and doesn't move on. What are my options (if any)?
[02:58] <bef0rd> download mode and reflash I guess
[02:59] <bef0rd> I'm no expert though, so wait for other answers :)
[02:59] <Ghost1227> that'd probably be my first thought too
[02:59] <duflu> rog3r: I reliable place to restart is with Android (https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images). Then you can try Ubuntu again if you like
[03:00] <duflu> *A reliable :)
[03:01] <rog3r> what i'm wondering now is how to connect to the device with fastboot/adb/phablet-flash when won't even boot into the recover mode.
[03:02] <rog3r> i can get the bootloader, but thats about it, it seems.
[03:02] <Ghost1227> download mode != recovery
[03:02] <rog3r> thank you. i don't know what download mode is yet. I'll start googling.
[03:03] <Ghost1227> what device
[03:03] <rog3r> toro (galaxy nexus phone)
[03:04] <rog3r> a-ha, got it into download mode.
[03:05] <rog3r> not sure what to do next. i guess its downloading something?
[03:05] <Ghost1227> not if you haven't told it to
[03:10] <Ghost1227> rog3r: don't know much about nexus, but i'd start here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1392310 or elsewhere on that subforum
[03:13] <rog3r> Ghost1227: thank you. checking it out.
[03:20] <rog3r> drat. windows-only program. I'm running Ubuntu.
[03:21] <Ghost1227> xda is a great resource... look around their forum
[03:22] <rog3r> k
[03:26] <rog3r> a-ha, I got it to the recovery mode with adb sideload and adb shows a device attached now. maybe there's hope afterall.
[03:26] <ignitiongtown> When flashing touch on grouper should i use the saucy channel or stable
[03:29] <Ghost1227> rog3r: there's always hope.. lost track of how many times (and devices) i've bricked
[03:31] <eiais> is ubuntu touch available on the galaxy s4?
[03:31] <Ghost1227> for that matter, don't think i own a device (and not just phones either) that i haven't 'bricked' and then salvaged at least once
[03:32] <rog3r> Ghost1227: thank you :)
[03:32] <ignitiongtown> Not yet
[03:32] <ignitiongtown> Not stable on s2 or s3 yet either that i know of
[03:32] <Ghost1227> rog3r: for what?
[03:33] <Ghost1227> ignitiongtown: not stable, but there's unofficial ports for both. i'm working (VERY slowly) on the vzw s3 port
[03:33] <ignitiongtown> The nexus devices aren't that stable just yet i have an s3
[03:33] <ignitiongtown> Thank you for the work its greatly appreciated ghost1227
[03:34] <Ghost1227> heh
[03:34] <Ghost1227> i'll be happy when i can at least get a functioning kernel built >_<
[03:34] <rog3r> Ghost1227: thank you for reassuring me that theres hope and that I'll get through this.
[03:36] <rog3r> Ghost1227: i've downloaded 4.2.2 (JDQ39) from https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/image and extracted it. I'm not sure which thing to sideload onto the device. Trying my luck with image-mysid-jdq39.zip now.
[03:36] <Ghost1227> lol no problem rog3r... nothing wrong with learning the hard way
[03:36] <rog3r> s/image/images
[03:36] <Ghost1227> i still have the first device i ever bricked... haven't used it in years, but it still works!
[03:36] <rog3r> awesome
[03:42] <Guest98929> Is this the place to get help for Ubuntu Touch on the Nexus 4?
[03:45] <Ghost1227> might get a better response if you ask a question :P
[03:47] <Guest98929> lol, ok. I can connect to wifi but not 3g. I came across this article: https://plus.google.com/100264483712374857174/posts/3o1tjYo9Ghx but it says in the comments that it's obsolete and you shouldn't need the commandline anymore
[03:47] <rog3r> When the Nexus phone is booted and it shows Google on screen, what does that mean? Has it booted the kernel yet?
[03:48] <Ghost1227> Guest98929: so the question is how to connect to 3g?
[03:48] <Ghost1227> rog3r: honestly don't know what all is being done in that stage... haven't gotten that far yet
[03:49] <rog3r> k. i'll keep on googling.
[03:50] <Guest98929> Yes.I have "System Settings->Cellular->Cellular data" and "Data roaming" enabled
[03:50] <Ghost1227> rog3r: does that mean you got through your initial 'brick'?
[03:51] <rog3r> Ghost1227: not sure. I get the bootloader screen. I can select Recovery. In the recovery menu, I get lots of interesting choice, like the sideload. But my sideload attempt failed. I think I attempted the wrong file. So on normal boot, it still fails to get anywhere past displaying Google.
[03:52] <Ghost1227> rog3r: out of curiosity, what recovery are you using?
[03:53] <Guest98929> Ghost1227: and on a side note,  /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections has files for my wifi connections but not one for a 3G connection.
[03:53] <rog3r> Ghost1227: I get, "CWM-based Recovery v6.0.2.8"
[03:54] <Ghost1227> k
[04:01] <bray90820> Am i right that ubuntu has a driver error on the nexus 7
[04:13] <rog3r> holy crap, I did something right. successfully restoring factory image with fastboot and ./flash-all.sh now.
[04:13] <excalibr> I'm interested with few files in ubuntu touch but I don't want to download the entire touch image. Does it have bzr or repo where I can browse the image contents and get the files I want?
[04:16] <Ghost1227> rog3r: told ya you could do it! \o/
[04:16] <rog3r> =o)
[04:17] <rog3r> Ghost1227: yeah, it finished restoring and its booted up normally now. Next I'll restore my backup and brick it again another day. :Z)
[04:17] <rog3r> er, :)
[04:21] <Ghost1227> rog3r: my advice would be to backup anything you needed to restore somewhere secure... never know when you might need to again
[04:23] <ignitiongtown> Glad to here your good
[04:25] <rog3r> Ghost1227: good advice, thank you.
[04:25] <rog3r> ignitiongtown: thank you.
[04:27] <rog3r> I would've saved myself time by understanding what Fastboot actually was. It took me all this time to figure out that initial VolDn+VolUp+Pwr screen was the Fastboot that I needed to restore from. *sigh*
[04:27] <Ghost1227> rog3r: learned that the hard way... a few dozen times over
[04:27] <rog3r> i hear ya. restoring with adb restore backup.ab now
[04:29] <rog3r> i use Ubuntu at home and at work. Looking forward to Ubuntu Touch on my phone. Perhaps I'll have better luck tomorrow.
[04:30] <Ghost1227> rog3r: with my current phone i finally got smart... keep a script i wrote that can root/unroot/flash my standard rom/backup/restore on me at all times :Pf
[04:31] <Ghost1227> * :P
[04:32] <rog3r> hehehe, awesome
[04:33] <rog3r> i've got 4G to restore. this'll be awhile. I'm gonna go to bed. thanks again.
[04:33] <Ghost1227> np
[05:05] <ignitiongtown> With ubuntu touch can i code a counter to count pulses from the headphone jack? Small electromagnetic pluses like the same given off from speech into a mic?
[05:06] <ignitiongtown> Counts every time a threshhold of voltage is hit
[05:31] <mohdisham> Where can I find the latest Ubuntu touch image for my n7100
[06:08] <rrm> anyone to use ubuntu touch on a viewsonic vpad10?
[07:34] <AskUbuntu> install ubuntu for phones on galaxy tab gt p1000 | http://askubuntu.com/q/364892
[07:56] <Ojzcroc> I was wondering if someone could help me: I'm using Ubuntu touch, and it won't let me connect to my home wifi network. Our network is 128-bit WEP. The network shows up in the list of networks, but it won't ask for a password, and cannot connect.
[08:05] <popey> Ojzcroc: does it work if you use "phablet-network" from a connected pc on the wifi
[08:07] <Ojzcroc> I've never tried that; all the things i've tried have been using the phone by itself. Do I just connect it to a pc and type "phablet-network" on the pc's bash shell?
[08:08] <Ojzcroc> popey: thank you, thank you, thank you, it worked! I spent days trying to figure that out!
[08:12] <popey> Ojzcroc: yay
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Development Information Day! :-D
[08:57] <popey> ogra_: starting apps from a connected computer... "adb shell sudo -u phablet -i start application APP_ID=com.popey.giffgaff_giffgaff_0.2"
[08:57] <popey> ogra_: do you know how we stop apps remotely?
[08:58] <ogra_> sudo -u phablet -i initctl list
[08:58] <ogra_> that should show you the jobs
[08:58] <popey> ooh
[08:59] <popey> thanks!
[09:00] <ogra_> though i'm not sure how to tell the stop command which application-click job to stop
[09:01] <greyback> it's the same syntax I think: stop application APP_ID=...
[09:01] <ogra_> ah
[09:01] <popey> nope
[09:01] <greyback> no? Huh
[09:02] <popey> hence why i asked ☻
[09:02] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~/phablet/scripts$ adb shell sudo -u phablet -i stop application APP_ID=com.popey.giffgaff_giffgaff_0.2
[09:02] <popey> stop: Unknown instance:
[09:02] <greyback> I usually use the upstart-app-stop binary in upstart-app-launch-tools
[09:03] <popey> ooh that works
[09:03] <popey> much nicer than grepping the pid and kill -9'ing ☻
[09:04]  * greyback suspects "stop application APP_ID" should work though, will log a bug
[09:04] <ogra_> popey, yeah, that might produce .crash files (dont use -9 there)
[09:07] <greyback> https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart-app-launch/+bug/1244124
[09:17] <janimo`> popey, http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/qml-ubuntu-components0-orientationhelper.html such 12.10 URLs are still top places on google
[09:18] <janimo`> popey, who handles the docs server? These should get redirected to sdk-1.0 URLs
[09:25] <jibel> I flashed my mako with channel devel-proposed a couple of hours ago and it installed saucy, shouldn't it be trusty instead?
[09:29] <popey> janimo`: mhall119 can probably fix that
[09:49] <janimo`> rsalveti, is the grouper known not to have screen orientation working yet?
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:30] <Unopoo> hi guy, I have some trouble to install touch
[10:32] <ogra_> Saviq, wrt bug 1240911, i tested a patch from tvoss that made this issue go away while the whole was still slow
[10:33] <ogra_> i'm not sure it is the overall slowness that causes it
[10:33] <tvoss> ogra_, I think the bug is too unspecific here, we have had more concrete candidate bugs
[10:34] <tvoss> Saviq, any specific reason you are looking at that bug?
[10:34] <Saviq> tvoss, triaging
[10:34] <ogra_> tvoss, the one about the camera app ?
[10:34] <tvoss> ogra_, yes, for example
[10:34] <tvoss> Saviq, ack
[10:34]  * ogra_ found that quite specific
[10:34] <Saviq> bug #1240911
[10:34] <Saviq> ah crap ;P
[10:34] <Saviq> ogra_, feel free to un-dupe
[10:35] <ogra_> it points to one action/animation issue ... and i have seen that getting a lot better when testing your fix recently
[10:35] <ogra_> while the general slowness didnt change much
[10:35] <Saviq> ogra_, especially if you have more info like that ;)
[10:35] <Unopoo> I'm using manual method, downloaded those five files, but after i run "fastboot flash recovery ....", adb give me "Failed, (remote: recovery not support flash).
[10:36] <ogra_> Unopoo, sounds like your device isnt properly unlocked or something
[10:37] <ogra_> Unopoo, also note that the manual method installs an unsupported image ... we dont really support or test the cdimage zips anymore
[10:37] <Unopoo> yeah, I searched about it, but I'm using Xiaomi, and google told me that Xiaomi is originally designed unlocked..
[10:37] <ogra_> oh, right
[10:37] <ogra_> if it is a port the cdimage zip is indeed your only option atm
[10:37] <Unopoo> ogra_: are you team still developing Ubuntu touch?
[10:38] <ogra_> sure
[10:38] <ogra_> but we focus only on the galaxy nexus and nexus4 currently
[10:39] <ogra_> (this will likely change for the 14.04 cycle, we might add nexus5 or find an OEM to work with us which we then support too)
[10:39] <ogra_> (and there should be more focus on tablets again the next months ... we kind f left them behind for the last cycle)
[10:39] <Unopoo> I fiddled about this flashing touch to phone thing for two days... really tired..
[10:42] <ogra_> Unopoo, where did you get the device.zip from ?
[10:42] <ogra_> did you build it yourself ?
[10:42] <Unopoo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[10:43] <Unopoo> I really don't know which zip file to download
[10:43] <ogra_> Unopoo, that has nothing for Xiaomi
[10:43] <Unopoo> then, is their anything for Xiaomi?
[10:43] <ogra_> you need to have a ported zip for yoour device
[10:44] <Unopoo> a ported zip?
[10:44] <ogra_> well, if there is nothing on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices you have to do the porting yourself
[10:44] <ogra_> like described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[10:45] <ogra_> (not thats not a beginner task)
[10:45] <ogra_> *note
[10:45] <Unopoo> oh god, I don't even know what porting and ported zip are..
[10:45] <Unopoo> okay, let me figure this out first
[10:46]  * Unopoo gone and to figuring something out...
[10:46] <ogra_> Unopoo, well, you flash two files when flashing ... first the device specific zip that was created following the porting doc
[10:47] <ogra_> Unopoo, second the rootfs zip that you download from cdimage (the armhf.zip file in the manual howto)
[10:47] <ogra_> we only offer device specific zips for 4 nexus devices, they wont work on other hardware
[10:48] <ogra_> (so flashing a maguro, mako , manta or grouper zip will not get you anywhere)
[10:48] <Unopoo> I know I have to flash to zip file according to your guide, but I have problem before that, when I'm doing flash recovery/boot/system..
[10:49] <ogra_> you need to use the recovery.img that was created by doing your port
[10:49] <Unopoo> yeah , and you said that's probably because I have a unlocked phone
[10:49] <ogra_> if you port the android tree, it will create a bunch of img files and a zip ... one of tehm is recovery.img
[10:49] <ogra_> you need to flash that with fastboot
[10:50] <ogra_> then boot into it and flash the device specific zip ... then the ubuntu rootfs zip
[10:50] <ogra_> but your very first step will have to be to even create these files by doing a port of the android tree of your device
[10:51] <Unopoo> you mean I have to create my own recovery.img? the file I download from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ is not working on my phone?
[10:52] <Unopoo> so I got that failure message?
[10:52] <ogra_> cjwatson, you are most likely the wrong person to ask this, but i'll try anyway ... if i create a click package with a .qml file that has some imports at the top, shouldnt click build pull in the additional bits i use over the framework automatically ?
[10:52] <cjwatson> ogra_: click build doesn't look at file contents
[10:52] <ogra_> Unopoo, exactly
[10:53] <cjwatson> ogra_: if you want them in your package, put them in the filesystem tree
[10:53] <ogra_> you mean like dpkg -x *.deb . ?
[10:53] <cjwatson> ogra_: if anything should do this automatically, it should be much higher-level than click
[10:53] <ogra_> in the click package directory
[10:53] <cjwatson> ogra_: er not literally
[10:53] <cjwatson> ogra_: you need to ask somebody who knows more about apps I think.  I just know the low-level stuff
[10:54] <ogra_> k
[10:55]  * ogra_ tries to follow http://daker.me/2013/10/package-your-webapp-for-ubuntu-touch.html for a UA string overrride of the browser ... 
[10:55] <ogra_> while the app thats describer there works fine when installing the click package, doing the same steps for my stuff doesnt work
[10:55] <ogra_> and i clearly dont see the browser bits included in the .click
[11:18] <xnox> ogra_: no brower bits needed in the click....
[11:19] <xnox> ogra_: and that's a crazy way to package webapp.
[11:20] <xnox> ogra_: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[11:20] <ogra_> xnox, its the onlz way to override the UA
[11:21] <ogra_> (apart from adding it to the override db file, whi ch wont be possible easily for saucy)
[11:21] <xnox> ogra_: ah, true. Althought i thought webbrower-app was going to get that flag/option.
[11:21] <ogra_> right
[11:21] <ogra_> we have an overrde db
[11:21] <ogra_> but if i want my click package to work on saucy i need to use this override method
[11:22] <ogra_> and the fun is, the click app that uses it seems to work just fine
[11:22] <ogra_> something must be missing from that howto
[11:29] <tvoss> didrocks, ping
[11:29] <didrocks> tvoss: pong
[11:38] <nik90> popey: if I install a .deb package from a MP, will it obstruct the SDK update that I get from the ppa?
[11:38] <nik90> popey: or will the ppa update override the manual deb install?
[11:40] <nik90> to put things into context, I am trying to see if a certain SDK MP fixed an issue I had. SO I want to install that deb package. However I hope it doesnt stop the SDK update I get from the PPA (13.10)
[11:40] <popey> you can go forwards and backwards with debs nik90
[11:40] <popey> apt-get install packagename=version
[11:40] <popey> so you can always revert what you did
[11:41] <nik90> ah okay..so I can revert the manual deb install after t my test
[11:41] <popey> yes
[12:03] <GreySyntax> Hi currently attempting to port to the HTC One/m7ul, once i've flashed the custom cm build should i be flashing trusty-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip or saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip?
[12:03] <GreySyntax> i'm presuming it's the first atm
[12:07] <ogra_> GreySyntax, well, there is not really much difference between the last saucy build and the first trusty ones
[12:08] <ogra_> (trusty has a bunch more fixes)
[12:10] <GreySyntax> ogra_: thanks just wanted to confirm i was using the correct image :)
[12:13] <Diggicell> hey Guy!! The instructions from Dragünkorr to setup Ubuntu Phone on HTC sensation is driving me nuts. Followed all the steps but still isnt working. Maybe someone could help ? At the point iam loading recovery it just revocvers android again , and i see no point like revocer from sd or smthg
[12:14] <davmor2> ogra_: dude what the command to double check what version you are on please
[12:14] <zsombi> cwayne-afk: hi, seems the theme-paths MP landed in the SDK, not sure whether it got released or not, but it got merged into SDK trunk
[12:14] <ogra_> davmor2, system-image-cli -i
[12:15] <ogra_> via adb or ssh
[12:15] <davmor2> ogra_: thanks
[12:15] <Diggicell> so i think my Question is HOW TO FLASH the DragonBuntu UBUNTU PHONE rom ?
[12:16] <Diggicell> quiet a new
[12:16] <Diggicell> b
[12:16] <popey> Diggicell: never heard of DragonBuntu
[12:16] <popey> got a link?
[12:16] <Diggicell> http://www.droidevs.com/showthread.php?t=1107
[12:17] <Diggicell> DragunKorr its Name, sorry
[12:17] <popey> no idea, we tend to only support our nexus images.
[12:18] <popey> gosh, quite a long thread
[12:19] <davmor2> ogra_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6294582/ what the ?
[12:20] <popey> thats right
[12:20] <popey> saucy
[12:20] <ogra_> yeah
[12:20] <ogra_> nothing wrong in there
[12:21] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm expecting to see image 3 or 4 there not 101 :)
[12:21] <ogra_> so switch over to the right channel ;)
[12:21] <Saviq> ogra_, you'll probably know the answer - q: is there any reason to use phablet-flash after having flashed an ubuntu-system image once? since the read-only root is in a file anyway, using system-image-cli will just revert you to a read-only state without touching anything ese?
[12:21] <Saviq> and obviously discarding any changes to the root fs, if it was made writable?\
[12:21] <popey> that wont work
[12:22] <popey> if you make it writable you break OTA
[12:22] <popey> AIUI
[12:22] <ogra_> Saviq, well, an OTA might cause havoc if you have changed the installation much in rw mode
[12:22] <davmor2> ogra_: that was after running adb shell system-image-cli -c trusty -b 4 -v
[12:22] <ogra_> davmor2, did it install anything ?
[12:22] <ogra_> or did it just say "up to date" in the end
[12:22] <davmor2> [systemimage] Oct 24 12:11:46 2013 (25143) Already up-to-date
[12:22] <Saviq> ogra_, popey, ah so it won't just replace the rootfs file?
[12:23] <popey> nope
[12:23] <ogra_> davmor2, try -b 0 instead of 4
[12:23] <popey> it's a binary diff
[12:23] <Saviq> ogra_, popey, not even when it uses a full image and not diffs?
[12:23] <davmor2> ogra_: will do
[12:23] <ogra_> Saviq, you cant be sure its a full image
[12:23] <Saviq> popey, right, can you force a full-image download?
[12:23] <popey> yeah, phablet-flash ㋛
[12:23] <popey> dunno if you can on-device
[12:23] <ogra_> i think switching channels forces a full download
[12:23] <ogra_> and going back in versions with -b
[12:24] <ogra_> but not 100% sure
[12:24] <ogra_> barry or stgraber would know
[12:24] <Saviq> popey, yeah, phablet-flash scraps much more than just rootfs (even without --no-backup - I rarely get the backup to work :/)
[12:24] <popey> yeah, known bug
[12:24] <ogra_> Saviq, the backup is only for going from cdimage images to system-image
[12:24] <ogra_> it wasnt updated for sys-img to sys-img updates
[12:26] <Saviq> ogra_, orly? it works *sometimes*
[12:26] <ogra_> matter of luck then :)
[12:26] <ogra_> it isnt designed for that upgrade path yet
[12:28] <Saviq> that explains things ;)
[12:28]  * Saviq wants to be able to force system-image-cli to do a full-image OTA ;)
[12:29] <ogra_> system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0
[12:29] <ogra_> try that
[12:30] <davmor2> ogra_: 0 is downloading stuff
[12:30] <ogra_> ok, i'll send a followup mail
[12:30] <ogra_> well, or probably wait until you are done
[12:30] <ogra_> just to be sure
[12:30] <ogra_> :)
[12:31] <davmor2> ogra_: I would not that I don't believe it won't work or anything :D
[12:31] <ogra_> heh
[12:32] <Saviq> ogra_,
[12:32] <Saviq>   -f FILTER, --filter FILTER
[12:32] <Saviq>                         Filter the candidate paths to contain only full
[12:32] <Saviq>                         updates or only delta updates. The argument to this
[12:32] <Saviq>                         option must be either `full` or `delta`
[12:32] <ogra_> ah
[12:32] <ogra_> nice
[12:32] <ogra_> i think -b 0 forces that anyway though
[12:34] <Saviq> right
[12:36] <Saviq> ogra_, no way to select which image you want, though - it'll always go to the highest one, would it?
[12:37] <ogra_> i think so, yeah
[12:37]  * Saviq files a bug
[12:41] <Saviq> bug #1192577 btw
[12:44] <Saviq> and bug #1244208
[12:47] <ogra_> Saviq, both for barry i guess
[12:47] <ogra_> well, the second one at least
[12:47] <Saviq> ogra_, the first one is by barry, even
[12:47] <ogra_> oh
[12:47] <ogra_> k
[12:47] <MacSlow> loicm, ping
[12:48] <cwayne-afk> zsombi: i saw that, thanks!
[12:57] <cjohnston> ;15
[12:59] <janimo`> mhall119, ping
[13:01] <janimo`> ogra_, do you know if the app sumit process is in place? I went through a wizard on the website and after completing it I was told that this process is being replaced, and that the upload did not work
[13:01] <ogra_> janimo`, i only packages soem webapps, but that worked fine
[13:04] <thor___> hello can you give me an example of what udev rules files should look like?
[13:05] <ogra_> thor___, for a port ?
[13:06] <sergiusens> janimo`, it should just work; beuno can give you some insight on the backend side if you still need it
[13:06] <rsalveti> janimo`: I know we were able to rotate the shell by default in grouper, but I'm not completely sure if we have rotation for the apps at least
[13:06] <beuno> janimo`, you are trying to submit an app for Ubuntu Touch, yes?
[13:07] <thor___> orga_ : i need this for helping to port UT to  nexus s
[13:08] <beuno> janimo`, https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/new/
[13:08] <beuno> is the URL you should be submitting to
[13:08] <janimo`> beuno, I guess I went to the wrong URL: http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/get-started/
[13:08] <barry> mandel_: ping, re: u-d-m debugging
[13:08] <thor___> ogra_ i found this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7365716/connecting-nexus-s-to-eclipse-under-linux
[13:09] <thor___> but i don't know if it's the values I should be looking for
[13:09] <beuno> janimo`, well, that's where step 4 takes you to
[13:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, i cant see my desktop anymore ... attaching my phone opens an mtp window every second !
[13:09] <ogra_> sergiusens, was your mtp change tested at all ?
[13:10]  * ogra_ drowns in windows, aaaargh !
[13:11] <ogra_> thor___, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/lxc-android-config/trusty/files/head:/usr/lib/lxc-android-config/
[13:11] <sergiusens> ogra_, my mtp change didn't land
[13:11] <ogra_> thor___, i thought there was a script on the porting wikipage i added to convert from uevent rules to udev rules (though that still needs you to do a lot manual additionas and changes)
[13:12] <sergiusens> ogra_, did it? In my last discussion with rsalveti we had changes to make still
[13:12] <ogra_> sergiusens, oops, sorry
[13:12] <ogra_> i saw mtp was updated
[13:12] <ogra_> but that was xnox' boost rebuild
[13:12] <ogra_> not yours
[13:12] <sergiusens> ogra_, great, because I still need to implement usb connects/disconnects to make this complete
[13:13] <ogra_> anyway, i'm drowning in mtp windows and errors as soon as i connect with image #4
[13:13]  * xnox is drowning in mtp windows and errors with my Android Nexus4......
[13:13] <xnox> (not touch)
[13:13] <ogra_> intresting
[13:13] <ogra_> well, for me this only started after upgrading to #4
[13:14] <ogra_> was ok this morning
[13:14] <xnox> ogra_: well my phone goes crazy that is, constantly attached/detached mtd. ogra, Android Nexus 4, as in stock one.... not ubuntu-touch anything.
[13:14] <ogra_> well, mine does too, buut only since i updated from #3 to '4
[13:15] <thor___> ogra_, thanks i'll take a look at this
[13:16] <Saviq> ogra_, popey, yeah, `system-image-cli --build 0 --filter full` seems to be working fine
[13:16] <ogra_> hmm, intresting
[13:16] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# cat /var/log/upstart/mtp-server-bootup.log
[13:16] <ogra_> could not set property
[13:16] <ogra_> could not set property
[13:16] <ogra_> could not set property
[13:16] <ogra_> if it would only put timestamps in the logs
[13:16] <ogra_> jodh, ^^^ can we have that at some later upstart release ?
[13:16] <popey> yeah, people who write logs with no timestamps will be first against the wall when the revolution comes!
[13:17] <popey> (myself included) ⍨
[13:17] <ogra_> popey, well, i think upstart should just add one :)
[13:17] <popey> +1
[13:21] <davmor2> ogra_: I'd hold off on that email I'm stuck here http://paste.ubuntu.com/6294849/ I've had lunch while I left this
[13:21] <jodh> ogra_: feel free to argue the priority on bug 1154207.
[13:21] <ogra_> jodh, lovely ... :)
[13:21] <davmor2> ogra_: time here is now 14:21 so the time code should give you a clue
[13:26] <cwayne> mhall119: ping
[13:26] <cwayne> mhall119: unsure of who to ping about this, but hteres a small error in http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/webapp/packaging-web-apps/
[13:27] <janimo`> beuno, thanks, that link worked fine, submitted
[13:28] <ogra_> janimo`, oh, sorry, i let you down being distracted
[13:29] <janimo`> rsalveti, autorotation did not work, so the sensor interface could be the problem. Rotating explciitly worked
[13:29] <rsalveti> janimo`: yeah, probably
[13:29] <ogra_> janimo`, i think only a few apps actually do rotation at all
[13:29] <ogra_> the browser should
[13:29] <sergiusens> cwayne, there's a report bug at the bottom, isn't there?
[13:29] <sergiusens> cwayne, I logged one there
[13:30] <cwayne> sergiusens: ah, of course, thanks
[13:30] <janimo`> ogra_, I did not know the status of rotation in general. autoRotation works on N4 but not on the N7 with my newly uploaded app
[13:30] <ogra_> ah
[13:30] <janimo`> ogra_, but setting rotationAngle explicitly - which I actually needed works, so all good
[13:30] <janimo`> I needed to force landscape mode
[13:37] <karni> /system/bin/screencap not working for me. known issue?
[13:38] <ogra_> karni, well, thats an android app
[13:38] <ogra_> karni, only working with surfaceflinger
[13:38] <karni> oh
[13:38] <karni> and now we're on mir.. ?
[13:38] <ogra_> (which we dont use on the supported devices)
[13:38] <ogra_> right
[13:38] <karni> yeah, that used to work. I see.
[13:38] <ogra_> what device are you on ?
[13:38] <karni> ogra_: N4, flashed just now with trusty
[13:39] <ogra_> fo n4 we have a workaround ...
[13:39] <karni> ogra_: any way to take screenshots from utouch?
[13:39] <ogra_> one sec
[13:39] <karni> ogra_: \o/
[13:39] <ogra_> sadly it doesnt work on gnex, else we would ship it by default
[13:39] <karni> gotcha
[13:39] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6294931/
[13:39] <ogra_> try that script
[13:40] <ogra_> (on the host indeed, not on the phone)
[13:40] <karni> ok! lemme try that.
[13:40] <cwayne> oSoMoN: ping
[13:40] <ogra_> we call it mirfbdump btw
[13:40] <ogra_> in case you need to google for it or some such
[13:40] <oSoMoN> cwayne, pong
[13:41] <cwayne> oSoMoN: would you be the right one to ask about any issues creating a new quick webapp?
[13:42] <karni> ogra_: works great, thank you sir!
[13:42] <ogra_> :)
[13:42]  * karni saves as mirfbdump ;D
[13:42] <mhall119> cwayne: what's the problem with that page?
[13:42] <oSoMoN> cwayne, I can try and help, but you’ll probably get better help/answers from dbarth and alex-abreu, the webapps masters
[13:43] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, hah!
[13:43] <karni> mhall119: any plans to pull this kind of tutorial to dev.ubu.com? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41115284&nocache=1 We've hardly got anything about c++ apps for utouch.
[13:43] <karni> alex-abreu: good day :) o/
[13:43] <alex-abreu> cwayne, sure you don't need much
[13:43] <alex-abreu> karni, ! :)
[13:43] <karni> ^_^
[13:44] <karni> ogra_: is this mirfbdump script public?
[13:45] <mhall119> karni: plans yes, eta not yet
[13:45] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, would you rather I called you the webapps king? or perhaps the webapps demi-god?
[13:45] <karni> ogra_: I think it is since you used paste.ubuntu.com :)
[13:45] <karni> mhall119: ACK
[13:45] <karni> oSoMoN: haha
[13:45] <ogra_> karni, i think jibel has a bzr branch for it somewhere ... but as long as it does crash the gnex we cant ship it
[13:46] <cwayne> alex-abreu: just wondering if theres a quick way to make the toolbar not show up when a page is loading
[13:46] <karni> ogra_: I was thinking of more in lines of can I share it on ubuntu-phone mailing list?
[13:46] <cwayne> mhall119: there's a missing \n in the manifest json
[13:46] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, we are all grasshoppers :)
[13:46] <ogra_> karni, well, with a disclaimer that it can crash the galaxy nexus hard and that it hasnt been tested on mako and grouper
[13:47] <karni> ogra_: ACK :)
[13:47] <alex-abreu> cwayne, in the webbrowser-app ?
[13:47] <cwayne> alex-abreu: yeah, i thought that's what --webapp would do
[13:48] <alex-abreu> cwayne, no, to control the ui you have a set of "orthogonal" flags, e.g. --chromeless, --enable-back-foward etc.
[13:49] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, speaking of which I’d like to work on splitting the webapps container as a separate app asap, maybe even start tomorrow if I manage to find some time
[13:49] <cwayne> alex-abreu: ah, that makes sense :)
[13:50] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, as a click app ?
[13:51] <cwayne> mzanetti: ping
[13:51] <mzanetti> hi cwayne
[13:52] <janimo`> which is the package dealing with the application list/new app install GUI? I'd like to file a bug
[13:52] <sergiusens> stgraber, hey, is there anything on the filesystem that I can rely on as an interface to know I'm on a image upgrade system?
[13:52] <cwayne> mzanetti: is there a way to set what the background would be if the device is a tablet?
[13:53] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, not necessarily in the same MR, that can be done separately
[13:53] <karni> hi mzanetti. I sent an e-mail to the list sharing what I just learned from ogra_, how to take a screenshot on mir.
[13:53] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, but at least have two separate executables
[13:53] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, yes
[13:53] <mzanetti> cwayne: no idea, can you ask seb128 about it
[13:54] <mzanetti> karni: oh, cool. Thanks
[13:54] <ogra_> sergiusens, system-image-cli -i  ... if that returns 0 for all versions you are on a cdimage image
[13:54] <karni> janimo`: wild guess, https://launchpad.net/qt-creator
[13:54] <cwayne> mzanetti: sure, thanks!
[13:54] <cwayne> seb128: ping
[13:55] <janimo`> karni, I mean the "applications page" component on the phone screen
[13:55] <karni> mzanetti: just today I learned you have written Ubuntu Authenticator. How neat is that?! :)
[13:55] <karni> janimo`: oooh
[13:55] <ogra_> sergiusens, there is also a file in /etc/system-image/ where it pulls that info from ... in case you want to avoid subprocess calls
[13:55] <mhall119> cwayne: better now?
[13:55] <mzanetti> karni: heh. glad you like it
[13:55] <sergiusens> karni, ogra_ mirdump script is in a bug in phablet-tools
[13:56] <ogra_> sergiusens, we need to find a safe way for omap though
[13:56] <karni> sergiusens: Excuse me? :)
[13:56] <sergiusens> ogra_, I actually want to leave phablet-flash as just a bootstrap, no backups
[13:56] <seb128> cwayne, hey
[13:56] <cwayne> mhall119: yessir :)
[13:56] <seb128> cwayne, we don't have per-for-factor backgrounds no
[13:56] <karni> sergiusens: oh, I didn't get the bug part. yo umean the script is in phablet-tools?
[13:56] <sergiusens> karni, ogra_ https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1238839
[13:56] <karni> ;D
[13:56] <sergiusens> karni, not yet
[13:57] <karni> Thank you! That's neat.
[13:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, we should have some kind of backup tool ... but yeah, doesnt necessarily need to be part of phalet-flash :)
[13:57] <cwayne> seb128: so it just stretches the wallpaper?
[13:57] <sergiusens> but you asked if it was public
[13:57] <seb128> cwayne, yes
[13:57] <karni> Correct :)
[13:57] <sergiusens> ogra_, I am in the works
[13:57] <seb128> cwayne, the per-for-factor doesn't make sense
[13:57] <ogra_> heh, i didnt mean to push :)
[13:57] <mzanetti> sergiusens: on MeeGo there was an app that would allow you to take screenshots. would be nice to have such a capability to execute this stuff in apparmor
[13:57] <sergiusens> ogra_, only reason to need a backup from phablet-flash is when you move from cdimage builds to image based upgrades
[13:57] <seb128> cwayne, you can use a phone in landscape mode and some phone have higher resolution than some tablets
[13:57] <cwayne> seb128: well not per-form-factor, but i thought it was something like if width was higher than x gu's then use this wallpaper
[13:58] <ogra_> sergiusens, i can imagine paranoid users that would like to do regular backups to their PC
[13:58] <sergiusens> mzanetti, people told me it would added to the shell
[13:58] <ogra_> independently of flashing
[13:58] <seb128> cwayne, well, unity8 has some logic with 2 cases, but imho that's not clever
[13:58] <cwayne> seb128: basically the context here is that our customized background looks no bueno on a tablet
[13:58] <sergiusens> mzanetti, as in the shell would be the one to take screenshots and such
[13:58] <mzanetti> sergiusens: oh... seems I missed a team meeting then :D
[13:58] <seb128> cwayne, that seems line an unity8 bug, they should do nicer scaling/resizing
[13:59] <jdstrand> mzanetti, sergiusens: mir needs to expose that in some manner (it doesn't aiui) and then it needs to integrate with apparmor so we can allow it. that said, apps should be able to screen grab their own surface I think (once mir supports it)
[13:59] <mzanetti> jdstrand: apps can grab their surface already
[13:59] <cheeseboy> Hi. I have a nexus 4 (cyangenmod). How risky is installing ubuntu touch atm?
[14:00] <jdstrand> ok, so full screen-- like sergiusens said, that is a shell thing. if we were going to expose that in apparmor (I'm thinking probably not though), there would have to be apparmor integration with mir
[14:00] <jdstrand> s/expose that in apparmos/expose that to apps/
[14:01]  * jdstrand needs to stop doing multiple things at once. I can't type
[14:01] <mzanetti> jdstrand: QQuickWindow::grabWindow() btw
[14:02] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[14:12] <popey> balloons: do you know if it's easy to programmatically dismiss the keyboard?
[14:12] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, I'll sync up w. u next week I guess on that
[14:13] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, yep, let’s discuss this (and many other things) next week
[14:14] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, btw ... not sure if you had the time to check https://code.launchpad.net/~abreu-alexandre/webbrowser-app/fix1240685/+merge/192221
[14:15] <oSoMoN> alex-abreu, yup, I commented on the MR
[14:15] <alex-abreu> oh u did
[14:15] <alex-abreu> oSoMoN, ah indeed
[14:15] <cwayne2> cwayne ping
[14:22] <popey> ogra_: do you see errors when starting webapps?
[14:22] <popey> webbrowser-app: unrecognized option '--enable-back-forward'
[14:22] <popey> webbrowser-app: unrecognized option '--webappUrlPatterns=https?://*.ebay.com/*'
[14:22] <popey> webbrowser-app: unrecognized option '--webapp'
[14:23] <davmor2> ogra_: this should of moved on by now right?
[14:31] <mfisch> pete-woods1: whats going on with that usermetrics stuff? did you hand-merge it?
[14:37] <pete-woods1> mfisch: yeah, I ran the tests everywhere I could (arm, etc) then merged it myself, jenkins didn't seem to be getting any better
[14:40] <mfisch> pete-woods: will it be landing in the image still this week?
[14:40] <pete-woods> mfisch: I don't know for certain, but I'm going to try and get it landed
[14:41] <mfisch> pete-woods: okay, I've got one pending on it. I'm not in a rush, but can you just let me know so I can land it?
[14:42] <pete-woods> mfisch: sure, I'm assuming we're talking about landing to saucy here, right?
[14:42] <truebattleaxe> good morning all
[14:42] <truebattleaxe> is there any news on getting ubuntu touch working on the motorola moto x for at&t
[14:43] <mfisch> pete-woods: I didnt know saucy was even being built still
[14:43] <pete-woods> mfisch: it is for mobile, I think
[14:43] <pete-woods> mfisch: if this isn't needed for saucy, then it makes it easier, obviously
[14:44] <mfisch> pete-woods: I dont think we need it for saucy
[14:44] <pete-woods> mfisch: okay, cool, my life = easier :)
[14:45] <truebattleaxe> is there any news on getting ubuntu touch working on the motorola moto x for at&t
[14:45] <ogra_> popey, hmm, didnt notice (and tegh options work as expected)
[14:46] <ogra_> davmor2, well, probably system-image-cli cant reboot if it is called via adb or so
[14:46] <ogra_> i'd stop it, log in and run it again from the console
[14:47] <davmor2> ogra_: okay thanks
[14:52] <truebattleaxe> anyone have any luck on the motorola moto x installing and running? i couldn't find anything on the wiki
[14:54] <cheeseboy> hi I just installed ubuntu on my nexus 4. anyway i can get hdmi output to work?
[14:56] <truebattleaxe> hey cheese
[14:56] <truebattleaxe> i myself am trying to just see if it is possible to install on my new moto x
[14:58] <cheeseboy> truebattleaxe, i thought its only nexuses
[14:58] <truebattleaxe> there are different builds on the wiki for many tested devices. but i haven't found anything for mine
[14:59] <truebattleaxe> i do have the first gen nexus 7 but i cant risk bricking it
[15:07] <systime> truebattleaxe: Just take a nandroid on your nexus, then try touch.  If you don't like it, just revert back.
[15:10] <cheeseboy> anyway to get hdmi output working?
[15:12] <popey> cheeseboy: not yet
[15:12] <cheeseboy> :'(
[15:12] <cheeseboy> lame
[15:12] <popey> cheeseboy: patches welcome ☻
[15:13]  * cheeseboy nub
[15:13] <cheeseboy> this os is being suppa buggy
[15:15] <cheeseboy> popey, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/07/ubuntu-edge-convergence-shown-off hows that guy doing it?
[15:16] <popey> cheeseboy: that's not Ubuntu for Phones, that's Ubuntu for Android, different product
[15:16] <cheeseboy> whats the difference? :/
[15:16] <popey> Ubuntu for Phones = ubuntu on the phone with a little bit of driver support from the android kernel
[15:16] <popey> Ubuntu for Android = Android on the phone with an Ubuntu desktop also installed
[15:18] <cheeseboy> so i guess ubuntu on android is better?
[15:19] <ogra_> nobody knows
[15:19] <popey> It's not been released yet.
[15:19] <ogra_> (apart from a few devs that work on it)
[15:19] <ogra_> ubuntu for android can only be released together with a vendor
[15:19] <ogra_> it requires massive changes to the shipped android
[15:20] <cheeseboy> does ubuntu-touch have default password?
[15:20] <ogra_> it uses an autologin and has an open adb shell
[15:21] <cheeseboy> sudo is asking for pass
[15:21] <ogra_> but yes, the phablet user also has a password ...
[15:21] <ogra_> its phablet ;)
[15:22] <cheeseboy> any reason my keyboard is super glichy when i use phone horizontal?
[15:22] <ogra_> bugs i guess :)
[15:28] <GreySyntax> Hi is there a way to make the custom udev rules build into the image? I can't seem to find a udev.conf that's copied to the image
[15:31] <cheeseboy> im ssh'd into my phone anyway i can make sure its using wifi for data?
[15:33] <ogra_> cheeseboy, have a look at nmcli
[15:44] <cheeseboy> ogra_, can i use X11 apps?
[15:44] <ogra_> nope
[15:44] <ogra_> no X11
[15:44] <cheeseboy> double lame
[15:45] <ogra_> its a phone
[15:45] <cheeseboy> so?
[15:45] <ogra_> why would you run any X11 apps that arent optimized for touch ?
[15:46] <ogra_> once we have the convergence mode you will be able to run X apps btw
[15:46] <ogra_> in the docked mode
[15:46] <ogra_> but as long as that mode isnt implemented shipping X to bloat the image would be nonsense
[15:47] <cheeseboy> ogra_, i wasnt expecting it to ship with X
[15:47] <cheeseboy> was hoping i could install / use it tho
[15:47] <ogra_> you surely can hack it up and make it use X with framebuffer driver
[15:47] <ogra_> and ignore the whole android container that runs the graphics driver
[15:48] <ogra_> but i doubt that will be any fun to use
[15:48] <cheeseboy> im just playing
[15:48] <cheeseboy> ima prolly flash back to android in a week or so
[15:48] <ogra_> well, its ubuntu, you can bend it in any direction you want :)
[15:49] <ogra_> we even offer "play around images" that are very similar to std. installs (readwrite normal filesystem etc) if you want to play with the guts of the system
[15:50] <ogra_> (the cdimage oprion to phablet-flash gives you these image)
[15:50] <cheeseboy> thanks ill look into it
[15:51] <ogra_> oh, and indeed, all cmdline apps work fine in the terminal app ;)
[15:51]  * ogra_ knows some poeple run mutt and irssi
[15:52] <GreySyntax> ogra_: is there a way to modify the ubuntu-root that's build? trying to add udev rules and can't seem to find where they belong i've done grep -r "udev" * and can't find any likely candidates
[15:52] <cheeseboy> ogra_, i was curious about running a (simple)game that used x11
[15:52] <ogra_> cheeseboy, ah, yeah, that would be tricky
[15:54] <ogra_> GreySyntax, we ship the rules in the lxc-android-config package (if you have a working rule, file a bug against this package and aattach the rules file, i'll care to get it into the package) /usr/lib/lxc-android-config carries them
[15:55] <GreySyntax> ogra_: i'm still trying to test the one's i've added can't get the display etc up atm just the basic kernel
[15:55] <ogra_> GreySyntax, on boot there is an lxc-android-config-boot upstart job that copies the right one for your device to /lib/udev/rules.d/ from there
[15:55] <GreySyntax> ah
[15:55] <ogra_> well, are you in the ubuntu rootfs via adb already ?
[15:55] <ogra_> thats usually the hardest part of a port
[15:55] <GreySyntax> yes
[15:55] <ogra_> great
[15:56] <GreySyntax> seems to get reset after each boot though
[15:56] <GreySyntax> actually it appears the ubuntu fs isn't there i've got adb shell working but no /usr or /var/log
[15:56]  * GreySyntax should start again
[15:57] <ogra_> oh, that sounds more like you end up inside android then
[15:57] <GreySyntax> yeah just realised
[15:57] <ogra_> adb shell cat /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/ueventd*.rc|grep ^/dev|sed -e 's/^\/dev\///'|awk '{printf "ACTION==\"add\", KERNEL==\"%s\", OWNER=\"%s\", GROUP=\"%s\", MODE=\"%s\"\n",$1,$3,$4,$2}' | sed -e 's/\r//'
[15:57] <GreySyntax> i extracted the ueventd files from cm and generated the config already
[15:58] <ogra_> that should generate a rules file for you ... though most likely you will still have to do a lot of manual changes with trial and error testing until you have all of them right
[15:58] <ogra_> also look for chmod/chown commands that touch /dev in your init.rc
[15:58] <balloons> popey, I just got a notification from your question about the osk :-) no, there isn't a way to dismiss it, but you can turn off the service programmatically
[15:58] <ogra_> android isnt very consistent in that regard ...
[15:59] <ogra_> some bits are handled by ueventd some in init.rc
[15:59] <popey> balloons: ooh, how?
[15:59] <GreySyntax> yeah i've already noticed a few in the qcom init
[16:01] <balloons> popey, for instance we do it in some autopilot tests.. stop maliit-server
[16:02] <popey> oh, of course ☻
[16:05] <davmor2> ogra_: Yay Finally :) current build number: 4
[16:05] <ogra_> awesome !
[16:07] <davmor2> ogra_: so adb shell into the device and then run system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0 -v  and all is well :)
[16:07] <cheeseboy> ogra_, how long on convergence mode you think?
[16:07] <GreySyntax> ah it's the emergency adb shell i'm getting /data isn't found
[16:07] <GreySyntax> time for coffee
[16:08] <ogra_> cheeseboy, the first traces of it might appear in 14.04 ... proper implementation will happen in 14.10
[16:08] <cheeseboy> so 6months?
[16:11] <davmor2> cheeseboy: 6-12 months
[16:11] <cheeseboy> mkay
[16:12] <cheeseboy> any other distros doing anything similar?
[16:12] <Juaninn> Hello
[16:12] <Juaninn> I have a lot of answer about
[16:12] <Juaninn> ubuntu phone.
[16:13] <cheeseboy> lot of answers?
[16:13] <Juaninn> ¿Can you help me?
[16:13] <Juaninn> Lot of questions lol.
[16:13] <cheeseboy> youre the one with the answers
[16:13] <cheeseboy> you want us to quiz you?
[16:13] <cheeseboy> :P
[16:13] <Juaninn> I have an Alcatel One Touch Idol Ultra
[16:13] <Juaninn> but i want ubutu phone
[16:13] <Juaninn> Can be this possible?
[16:14] <Juaninn> I want Ubuntu on my phone.
[16:14] <crowell> Juaninn: if it can run cyanogenmod10, it is most likely possible to port
[16:14] <Juaninn> Not suportt customs rooms
[16:15] <Juaninn> last time my phone bricked.
[16:16] <Juaninn> ????
[16:16] <Juaninn> Cheeseboy
[16:16] <Juaninn> Can you help me pls?
[16:16] <cheeseboy> nope
[16:16] <cheeseboy> im a nub
[16:17] <beuno> Juaninn, this is the list of unofficial ports: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[16:17] <Juaninn> :'(
[16:18] <Juaninn> Nub?
[16:18] <Juaninn> Thanks bro.
[16:18] <Juaninn> Thanks .
[16:19] <Juaninn> Doesnt work with my phone
[16:19] <Juaninn> :(
[16:20] <Juaninn> Anyone have the alcatel one touch idol ultra?
[16:21] <Juaninn_> I want ubuntu phone
[16:22] <Juaninn_> in my alcatel one touch idol
[16:23] <ogra_> Juaninn_, if your device is not https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices i fear you have to do a port yourself (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting) but this is not a beginner task, alternatively you could ask if someone in the xda forums would like to do a port
[16:24] <Juaninn_> Thanks ogra
[16:37] <daker> Kyle: ping
[17:06] <mvollrath> anybody else had issues connecting to WPA-protected networks on grouper?
[17:07] <s3> is whatsapp available on ubuntu and do you recommend it on samsung gs3 for a non-developer user
[17:11] <s3> is whatsapp available on ubuntu and do you recommend it on samsung gs3 for a non-developer user
[17:11] <bef0rd> no, and no
[17:14] <mvollrath> it connects to an insecure network just fine, but it says pre-shared key may be incorrect
[17:14] <mvollrath> when connecting to WPA
[17:15] <a_muva> just want to let you know that  I can listen to live stream and watch youtubes videos via mplayer
[17:16] <mvollrath> is wpa_supplicant cli expected to work?
[17:17] <ogra_> mvollrath, if you have a laptop connected to the same wlan you can use the pahblet-network command, it will copy the connection info via USB
[17:18] <ogra_> *phablet-network ... without typo :)
[17:19] <mvollrath> neat, that's handy
[17:20] <a_muva> how can I select/copy/paste text?
[17:22] <ogra_> a_muva, i dont think that works yet
[17:49] <doanac> sergiusens, ogra_: discovered a pretty annoying bug: https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/test-run-with-click/+merge/192555
[17:49] <doanac> would be nice to get that landed quickly
[17:50] <ogra_> i assume you tested it ...
[17:51] <ogra_> (line 8 seems to be missing one \" )
[17:52] <ogra_> unless i read it wrong
[17:52] <ogra_> oh, i see, the closing one is in line 16
[18:06] <doanac> ogra_: yeah - its ugly. i thought someone was moving phablet-test-run to python for trusty, so i was trying to be conservative with how much i changed that
[18:11] <hazenme> anyone here familiar with u-boot.bin on encore?
[18:12] <ubuntuHP> hello
[18:12] <cwayne_> sergiusens, hey, are phablet-tools documented anywhere?  I'm looking to help bolster some docs, as some of the lesser-known scripts can be quite useful, but people may not know about them
[18:12] <hazenme> looking to change the kernel cmdline args, but modifying Boardconfig.mk doesn't change the /proc/cmdline in the running image. I think the kernel cmdline is getting hardcoded in the u-boot.bin
[18:12] <ubuntuHP> can someone help me
[18:14] <hazenme> out of curiosity, would a kernel cmdline arg of console=ttyO0 cause a bootloop? I see that in grouper we had to add "console=tty1" to the kernel boot args to avoid a bootloop.
[18:18] <GreySyntax> Hi i'm having issues getting /data to mount i've located the 'disks' uuid and by-path under /dev/disk i presume i'll need to customise scripts/touch to get booting working?
[18:19] <hazenme> is your data partition listed in /dev/disk/by-label ?
[18:20] <GreySyntax> i've only got by-path by-uuid and by-id
[18:21] <hazenme> I got the data part working on encore by adding a line like this to scripts/touch:
[18:21] <hazenme> ln -s /dev/mmcblk0p6 /dev/disk/by-label/userdata
[18:22] <GreySyntax> how are you getting changes to scripts/touch to stick?
[18:22] <GreySyntax> since ubuntu-root seems to be re-created on each build
[18:22] <hazenme> unpacking the ramdisk.img in the packaged zip file, then changing things, then repacking
[18:23] <GreySyntax> ah right ok wanted to make sure i wasn't over complicating things
[18:23] <hazenme> your data partition needs to be labeled one of these names if you dont want to edit the scripts/touch file
[18:23] <hazenme> userdata UDA DATAFS USERDATA
[18:23] <GreySyntax> yeah i came across that when debugging, thanks hazenme :)
[18:25] <hazenme> I had to actually mount the data partition from init before the touch script could detect the data partition.
[18:25] <hazenme> it was panicing and dropping to adb with 'couldn't find data partition'
[18:26] <GreySyntax> yeah thats what i'm getting with the one
[18:26] <hazenme> now that it is mounting the data part and touch can detect it, I get bootloops.
[18:26] <hazenme> I think it is the console=ttyO0 arg that seems to be hardcoded in the u-boot.bin for encore
[18:27] <GreySyntax> how odd
[18:28] <hazenme> yeah they fixed grouper's bootloop by adding console=tty1 to the kernel boot args
[18:28] <hazenme> but with encore I think the kernel boot args are hardcoded in the u-boot.bin
[18:29] <belkinsa> Does Ubuntu Touch only work the tablets listed on the wiki page (install one)?
[18:30] <hazenme> There are a handful of unofficial ports floating around XDA
[18:32] <belkinsa> Thank you, I will look at XDA's site.
[18:36] <slangasek> sergiusens, rsalveti: so, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg04813.html ... I think the fundamental bug here that we need to fix is that the process environment when connecting over adb is not what it is when launching from inside a proper login session
[18:36] <slangasek> and I'm wondering how we fix that
[18:37] <UbuntuUser> Does anyone know of a commandline tool to get mobile data working for a US mvno sim card?
[18:37] <UbuntuUser> I found this topic https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1225174 but my UT build doesn't have a GUI for editing APN
[18:39] <UbuntuUser> ok... so I guess i just wait for an update that includes that feature?
[18:40] <sergiusens> slangasek, let me look, at a conf now with slow network
[18:41] <rsalveti> slangasek: right, adb will login as root by default as well
[18:42] <rsalveti> slangasek: our plan is to move away from adb and use ssh instead
[18:42] <rsalveti> which will bring a proper session
[18:42] <sergiusens> doanac, approved
[18:42] <rsalveti> to fix that for adb we'd need to make it login as phablet by default, and make sure it's starting a clean session from scratch
[18:42] <rsalveti> that's why we recommend people using sudo -u phablet -i when using adb
[18:43] <sergiusens> rsalveti, slangasek phablet-test-run does that
[18:43] <sergiusens> rsalveti, slangasek and just calling qmlscene works from what I remember
[18:44] <rsalveti> right, if just for phablet-test-run then it might be a bug specific to that tool
[18:44] <rsalveti> but that would break a bunch of stuff I guess
[18:45] <sergiusens> rsalveti, the sdk has some helper tools that try to find the correct qmlscene with dpkg-architecture
[18:45] <sergiusens> rsalveti, they created their own test class to replace the one in each test suite (and avoid dups)
[18:46] <slangasek> ok, so perhaps autopilot isn't / wasn't using phablet-test-run?
[18:46] <rsalveti> sergiusens: right
[18:46] <slangasek> that is, perhaps people weren't using phablet-test-run to invoke autopilot at the time
[18:46] <sergiusens> slangasek, the problem is people doing su - phablet
[18:46] <sergiusens> slangasek, and I'm thinking that's why this was added
[18:47] <slangasek> why would 'su - phablet' not also work?  su calls pam_open_session(), it should get /etc/environment
[18:48] <sergiusens> slangasek, hmm, it does
[18:48] <sergiusens> even the DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS works now
[18:49] <sergiusens> slangasek, did this start working when polkit was fixed? or not related?
[18:49] <slangasek> sergiusens: should be unrelated to polkit
[18:49] <sergiusens> in any case, it shouldn't be needed at all then
[18:49] <slangasek> /etc/environment is just su/sudo -> pam_open_session -> pam_env -> /etc/environment
[18:49] <slangasek> yep, I'll follow up to the thread
[18:52] <sergiusens> cwayne, I just blog about it; but waiting a bit because we might need homogenization of switches and such
[18:53] <cwayne_> sergiusens, ah, that makes sense
[18:59] <cyphermox> jhodapp: poke?
[18:59] <nexusjay> Hi everyone! Been digging around and wanted to confirm that there is no Canonical Support for the Nexus 7 (2nd Gen) device.
[19:00] <wilee-nilee> depending on your definition of "support" there is none on  the original
[19:01] <wilee-nilee> they are hardly any different hardware wise
[19:02] <nexusjay> So I can wipe it and install it on the 2nd gen?
[19:03] <wilee-nilee> nexusjay, You tell us, you can try if it does not run, you can reload your backup.
[19:04] <wilee-nilee> I would research if what you want is what you will get as well.
[19:05] <davf> can someone point me to info on touch with galaxy S3 vzw? I want to know what does/does not work, currently.
[19:05] <wilee-nilee> I found the desktop version to be problematic on my nexus 7 a while back the hardware is just not up for it is all.
[19:05] <nexusjay> hahaha thanks. I was looking at the documentation and i know the first gen works, but didnt see anything about the 2nd
[19:05] <nexusjay> i see. Maybe thats where I started getting my wires crossed.
[19:05] <popey> we don't have an image for nexus 7 2013
[19:06] <popey> yet
[19:08] <nexusjay> sorry for the noob question but if theres no image, can i download the packages and make it work?
[19:09] <davf> I'm basically just wanting to know what hardware works/doesn't specific to the vzw s3.
[19:09] <davf> I'll do all the legwork for porting etc... if I know that it *SHOULD* work.
[19:10] <davf> Just read that "we can easily take advantage of all the devices that are officially supported there (cyanogenmod)."
[19:12] <nik90> hey everyone, I heard before that the core apps which are currently present as click packages on the phone will  continously be updated via the app store just like any other app. However what happens to the dependencies that  these click packages depend on? Will they also be updated?
[19:13] <nik90> an example in my case is the clock app which depends on the EDS. Will EDS be updated for those running the  builds 101 saucy?
[19:13] <nik90> or should I be asking those users to upgrade to trusty build 5 for that?
[19:13] <davf> Anyone?
[19:17] <davf> popey - ?
[19:17] <popey> hello
[19:17] <davf> ;)
[19:18] <doanac> rsalveti: can you top approve this: https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/test-run-with-click/+merge/192555 sergio did a moment ago but the landing job faild
[19:18] <davf> I'd really like to get some info beyond the wiki. Googling isn't coming up with much
[19:18] <rsalveti> doanac: sure, 1 sec
[19:18] <davf> Are there only core apps still (has there been an offical release now?)
[19:19] <davf> popey ^
[19:19] <rsalveti> doanac: how to test that?
[19:19] <doanac> rsalveti: how to test the fix? run something like "phablet-test-run -o /tmp dropping_letters_app" it fails now. this branch fixes it
[19:20] <jhodapp> cyphermox, ouch
[19:20] <rsalveti> doanac: great, thanks
[19:21] <davf> So this says "Ubuntu Touch Support and Discussion" is the IRC just not up and running yet?
[19:22] <popey> davf: yeah, patience
[19:22] <davf> Seems to be very difficult to get info
[19:22] <popey> davf: what specific info do you want?
[19:22] <davf> Galaxy S3 hardware with VZW. Anything that wouldn't work? GPS for example.
[19:23] <popey> is that GSM or not?
[19:23] <davf> Umm... vzw S3 is 4G but I'm not clear if it is still CDMA as it has a SIMM card.
[19:24] <davf> Is CDMA working?
[19:24] <popey> not yet
[19:24] <popey> thats why I asked.. currently we're only supporting GSM
[19:25] <davf> not LTE?
[19:25] <popey> I dont think we test on any LTE capable devices yet
[19:25] <popey> GNEX, N4, N7, N10
[19:27] <davf> Ok, any ETA roadmap website, RSS I can watch?
[19:28] <davf> N10 is LTE.
[19:29] <davf> Sorry that's 10-2
[19:32] <cjohnston> /11/5
[19:40] <janimo`> Mirv, can Qt 5.X and 5.Y coexist on the same system?
[19:41] <janimo`> Mirv, would an import of 5.1 or 5.2 to the archives prevent 5.0 being usable?
[19:48] <rsalveti> janimo`: I think currently we can only have one 5.x series
[19:49] <janimo`> rsalveti, ok, so qtchooser is for 4.x vs 5.x then
[19:50] <rsalveti> janimo`: currently, yes
[20:01] <UbuntuUser> does anyone know of a way to edit APN via the commandline? No gui support yet
[20:20] <JamesTait> popey, your bbcnews app is now installable. \o/
[20:20] <popey> yay
[20:23] <roguesatanic> I installed ubuntu touch Trusty through CWM Recovery (mako) and the update feature in system setting just spins its wheels. Nothing happens. Is this a known occurence?
[20:24] <hazenme> That has been the behavior of every UT install I have used so far
[20:24] <pmcgowan> hazenme, hmm?
[20:24] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, it should not do that, which version did you install?
[20:24] <pmcgowan> and do you know you have working internet connection?
[20:24] <roguesatanic> 10/24
[20:25] <roguesatanic> or at least I thought so, I did not notice until later there was also 10/17 on the page...
[20:25] <hazenme> It has done that on grouper since 13.10 was released
[20:25] <roguesatanic> it also did it for me on 13.10
[20:25] <hazenme> happens on mako too
[20:25] <pmcgowan> definitely should not
[20:25] <pmcgowan> the only time I saw it was a problem with my network and it was not yet sart enough to detect
[20:26] <roguesatanic> i am hoping to use it and just enjoy updates and stability as they happen.
[20:26] <pmcgowan> I got two updates today
[20:26] <pmcgowan> I am using the very latest howver
[20:26] <roguesatanic> i am on wifi only, so sim. would that make a difference?
[20:26] <pmcgowan> nope wifi is fine
[20:26] <hazenme> pmcgowan, are you referring to System Settings> Update?
[20:26] <roguesatanic> no need to run any apt-get commands first?  I understand that is not the same type of update as in system settings.
[20:27] <hazenme> or the update app?
[20:27] <pmcgowan> system settings>update
[20:27] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, maybe file a bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+filebug
[20:27] <pmcgowan> it gets image based deltas, no apt involved
[20:27] <roguesatanic> good idea, just want to make sure i am not missing something trivial.
[20:28] <pmcgowan> it should work, check the wifi is working
[20:28] <roguesatanic> it is. at least insofar as i can use the browser.
[20:28] <pmcgowan> well thats fine then
[20:29] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, there is a command line tool you could try running, system-update-cli
[20:29] <roguesatanic> thx. I'll try now.
[20:29] <pmcgowan> sorry system-image-cli
[20:32] <pmcgowan> popey, do we have an example for using the online accounts api?
[20:32] <roguesatanic> weird. it returns phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/usr/share/click/preinstalled/com.ubuntu.terminal/0.5.27
[20:34] <rsalveti> doanac: happroved
[20:34] <doanac> rsalveti: thanks!
[20:37] <popey> pmcgowan: an example as in documentation or an example as in an app already made?
[20:37] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, do adb shell system-image-cli -i
[20:37] <pmcgowan> popey, I would take either and both
[20:37] <pmcgowan> docs are not very good
[20:37] <pmcgowan> that I can find
[20:38]  * popey has a look
[20:39] <roguesatanic> pmcgowan: I don;t have adb. I am using Terminal app on the phone.
[20:39] <roguesatanic> I flashed through CWM Recovery; I did not push to phone.
[20:39] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, how did you flash? I assume phbalet-flash and you have adb tools
[20:39] <pmcgowan> oh
[20:39] <roguesatanic> I staed that when I first asked. would this affect the update mechanism?
[20:40] <w-flo> roguesatanic, I'm not sure the system-image based images can be flashed through CWM at all (?)
[20:40] <pmcgowan> sorry missed that, I am not sure either
[20:40] <w-flo> maybe you have a plain old "cdimage"-style setup now
[20:41] <pmcgowan> probably not
[20:41] <roguesatanic> I see. I thought with the OTA capability this would change. I guess tonight's project is to flash it properly. :) Thanks for your assistance.
[20:41] <pmcgowan> ok vg
[20:41] <roguesatanic> cdimage? I used preinstalled .zips
[20:41] <w-flo> That's how the so-called "cdimage" images work AFAIK
[20:42] <roguesatanic> aah
[20:42] <w-flo> while "system image" has a custom recovery etc
[20:43] <roguesatanic> I gotcha. Sounds like I would have to reinstall every time the image updates the way I did it
[20:43] <w-flo> yes, I think so. Some parts can be updated using apt-get if the partiton is mounted read/write, but that can break things from time to time
[20:45] <popey> pmcgowan: uReadIt by mhall119 has it
[20:46] <popey> pmcgowan: http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-24-214621.png that what you're after?
[20:47] <pmcgowan> not sure popey
[20:48] <popey> pmcgowan: well, it uses the friends API really..
[20:48] <pmcgowan> popey, I see, I want onlineaccounts, but I bet friends uses it
[20:49] <matv1> hello all. can anyone confirm a bug where brightness dims randomly?
[20:49] <roguesatanic> would you guys recommend flashing 13.10 or 14.04?  I am wondering if fixed/added items will make it to both, such as mms, alarm clock, etc
[20:49] <matv1> I just scanned launchpad but nothing on there like it, it seems
[20:49] <roguesatanic> (no daily driver expectations)
[20:50] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, I would go with trusty
[20:50] <roguesatanic> thx.
[20:50] <pmcgowan> not all fixes will be out into 13.10
[20:50] <roguesatanic> that was my concern
[20:50] <pmcgowan> matv1, the screen dims after a 30 sec timeout
[20:50] <matv1> nah this is anywhere from 2 secs upward
[20:51] <pmcgowan> roguesatanic, do trusty stable and it will be good
[20:51] <pmcgowan> matv1, then no I dont think so
[20:51] <hazenme> I noticed that on grouper matv1
[20:51] <matv1> seems like its actualy triggered by a zealous prox sensor
[20:51] <pmcgowan> that could be
[20:51] <hazenme> almost seems like ambient light sensor wonkyness
[20:52] <matv1> im not on grouper
[20:52] <matv1> on a galaxy nexus
[20:52] <hazenme> it happens with grouper too
[20:54] <matv1> hazenme is that bug listed on lp?
[20:54] <hazenme> havent looked
[20:55] <matv1> i dont see it
[20:55] <hazenme> I put the N7 down for now while I try to get encore working
[20:55] <matv1> should i file it?
[20:55] <mhall119> popey: uReadIt has what?
[20:56] <hazenme> up to you
[20:56] <popey> mhall119: i thought pmcgowan wanted friends, he wants onlineaccounts examples
[20:56] <matv1> hazenme cool
[20:56] <mhall119> uReadIt actually uses both
[20:57] <popey> yay
[20:59] <hazenme> So when building the android bits, there is a ubuntu ramdisk and a android ramdisk correct? Do I need to modify the ubuntu ramdisk to get the system and data partitions mounted on encore, or is this handled in the android ramdisk?
[20:59] <popey> hazenme: not a ramdisk, a read-only filesystem image
[20:59] <popey> but yeah
[21:00] <w-flo> hazenme, you can set the "datapart=/dev/whatever" kernel cmdline param in case the initrd can't find your data partition. It will try to find it by its name, so maybe it works without that
[21:01] <w-flo> that's bug 1199084, it's not 100% done yet
[21:01] <hazenme> yeah it seems that encore uses a prebuilt u-boot.bin that has the kernel cmdline set...   I got initrd to find data by mounting it in init, then adding a ln -s /dev/mmcblk0p6 /dev/disk/by-label/userdata
[21:02] <w-flo> hazenme, you may want to add a link for your system partition too, it's needed by the "update-fstab" script that runs on first boot
[21:02] <hazenme> that got it to see data, but still panics
[21:03] <w-flo> ouch :(
[21:03] <hazenme> do I need to mount system before scripts/touch runs?
[21:03] <w-flo> no, I think system is only mounted later on (by mountall I guess)
[21:04] <hazenme> so as long as it has the system label it should find it?
[21:06] <roguesatanic> pmcgowan:  w-flo  thx again.
[21:06] <w-flo> hazenme, yes, those are valid labels for system: syslabels="FACTORYFS APP system SYSTEM"
[21:07] <hazenme> sweet. I will test now. Thanks
[21:07] <w-flo> it shouldn't panic without that though :/
[21:08] <hazenme> hmm
[21:19] <hazenme> still bootlooping on encore.
[21:20] <hazenme> init: cannot open '/initlogo.rle'
[21:20] <hazenme> init: Unable to open persistent property directory /data/property errno: 2
[21:20] <hazenme> at least it is not complaining about not being able to find the data partition anymore...
[21:28] <alesage> hi I'm building unity8 from source and installing on my mako and getting a weird err during dpkg -i , any help?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297387/
[21:31] <slangasek> alesage: sadly, unity8 is copied to a tmpfs and bind-mounted in order to enable setting acls
[21:32] <alesage> slangasek, any advice on installing?  just testing some changes to autopilot-ify--is there an install guide?  /me is new here :)
[21:35] <slangasek> alesage: high-level: you need to undo the bind mount and then run dpkg, which requires first stopping any unity8 process
[21:35] <slangasek> I expected 'service lightdm stop' to do that
[21:35] <slangasek> and it didn't here :P
[21:36] <alesage> slangasek, possibly I'm in a weird state having stopped unity8 artificially, let me try again from a blank slate
[21:38] <popey> gra_: in case you want to release #5 tomorrow, I have tested it and all seems okay here.
[21:38] <slangasek> alesage: if you've stopped it already, then just try 'umount /usr/bin/unity8'
[21:38] <slangasek> then retry the dpkg
[21:39] <alesage> slangasek, ok thanks, will report
[21:44] <hazenme> Got a bit further on encore.
[21:44] <hazenme> (stk) :ldisc installation timeout
[21:44] <hazenme> (stk) :ldisc_install = 0
[21:44] <hazenme> initrd: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p6 initrd: Couldn't find a system partition.
[21:45] <hazenme> ls -la /dev/disk/by-label/ output:
[21:45] <hazenme> lrwxrwxrwx    1        14 system -> /dev/mmcblk0p5
[21:46] <hazenme> so mmcblk0p5 has a label, I can mount it with 'mount -t ext4 system /system'
[21:46] <hazenme> but initrd is not able to find it
[21:51] <xnox> hazenme: propose a patch against https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch/trusty
[21:52] <xnox> hazenme: it has a few labels it uses to look for system partition, i guess above is not one of them =) so should be a simple one liner or something.
[21:53] <hazenme> w-flo stated earlier that valid labels for system: syslabels="FACTORYFS APP system SYSTEM"
[21:53] <hazenme> I have /dev/mmcblk0p5 symlinked to system in /dev/disk/by-label/
[22:46] <notzippy> For ports which ubuntu touch builds should be used ? The ports page isnt specific on this matter
[22:47] <hazenme> so my encore build is getting to the point where it mounts the userdata partition to /tmpmnt, then I get this in the dmesg:
[22:47] <hazenme> initrd: Couldn't find a system partition.
[22:48] <hazenme> I already symlinked /dev/mmcblk0p5 (system partition) to /dev/disk/by-label/system
[22:49] <aquarius> Did I hear Saviq suggest in a talk the other day that I can adb to my Ubuntu phone over wireless, without it being connected by USB cable?
[22:49] <aquarius> if I did hear it, is it the truth? :)
[22:49] <hazenme> Do I need to mount /system before scripts/touch runs?
[23:03] <ryukafalz_> aquarius: Not sure if you can adb, but you should be able to ssh, right?
[23:03] <ryukafalz_> I mean it's just Ubuntu ;)
[23:03] <aquarius> ryukafalz_, there's an ssh server by default??
[23:03] <ryukafalz_> By default... hmm idk
[23:03] <ryukafalz_> I should check haha
[23:03] <aquarius> not by the look of it
[23:03] <ryukafalz_> hmm
[23:03] <aquarius> having just nmapped the phone :)
[23:04] <ryukafalz_> there's a terminal by default, try sudo service sshd start
[23:04] <aquarius> ryukafalz_, ah, I know I can probably set it up.
[23:04] <ryukafalz_> my nexus 7 is currently running android and rebooting would take a bit :P
[23:04] <aquarius> I had this idea that I could send links to the phone without push notifications by just sshing from my machine into the phone
[23:05] <aquarius> and then say "here is a cool tiny chrome extension to do this"
[23:05] <ryukafalz_> ahh okay
[23:05] <ryukafalz_> hmm
[23:05] <ryukafalz_> haha
[23:05] <ryukafalz_> well then you'd need ssh in a chrome extension...
[23:05] <aquarius> but if I have to prefix that with half a page of instructions about how to enable ssh on the phone, then maybe not worried. :)
[23:05] <aquarius> chrome extensions can call native code, now.
[23:06] <ryukafalz_> wait they can?
[23:06] <ryukafalz_> hmm
[23:06] <ryukafalz_> that seems like... a bad idea actually? >.>
[23:06] <aquarius> http://developer.chrome.com/extensions/messaging.html#native-messaging-host
[23:06] <aquarius> they can't just randomly shell out :)
[23:06] <aquarius> they have to call a pre-prepared thing.
[23:07] <ryukafalz_> aha, interesting
[23:07] <ryukafalz_> also, I did not know until just now what libhybris actually was
[23:07] <ryukafalz_> and it's awesome o.o
[23:07] <aquarius> adb seems to be doable wirelessly, but you have to plug your phone in and set it up that way first
[23:07] <aquarius> so this all sounds like hassle and I should wait for push notifications and do it properly. ;)
[23:08] <ryukafalz_> haha maybe
[23:08] <ryukafalz_> not to mention even if you could do it with SSH, you'd need the IP of the phone :P
[23:08] <ryukafalz_> and it'd need to be on wifi because carrier wireless is NATed to heck
[23:09] <aquarius> that's where the next step comes in, which is asking why ubuntu-phablet.local doesn't work. I suspect that "turn on the mDNS stuff" is something on the big list of stuff to do on the phone build, so that's OK.
[23:09] <ryukafalz_> ah well that one assumes that that's the hostname of the device then :P
[23:09] <aquarius> this is for sending web links from my laptop to my phone, remember. The times when I need to do that and they're not both on the same wifi network are extremely, extremely rare.
[23:10] <aquarius> because if there isn't wifi, then my laptop can't see the web to get links from it... and if there's wifi, the phone will also be on it :)
[23:10] <ryukafalz_> and if there are multiple ubuntu touch phones on the network? :P
[23:10] <ryukafalz_> actually how does mDNS handle hostname conflicts anyway?
[23:10] <aquarius> well, it should be called StuartsPhone.local, picking up the name of the phone, obviously, like my laptop is. :)
[23:11] <aquarius> no idea what mdns does if fifteen StuartsPhones show up :)
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[23:11] <ryukafalz_> haha
[23:12] <ryukafalz_> problem is if you ever wanted to distribute this to someone else (the reason for not using SSH) you'd have to work that out :P
[23:12] <ryukafalz_> because I'd imagine most people don't change the hostnames of their phones
[23:14] <slangasek> alesage: how'd you get on with umount?
[23:36] <alesage> slangasek, sorry afk for a bit, appears to work thx :)