[08:33] <SuperMatt> morning all
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy World Development Information Day! :-D
[08:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> What's the little audio settings widget called on the top bar? It has a bug. On Saucy if I mute, then come back later and un-mute, the icon itself stays in the muted image.
[08:41] <JamesTait> TheOpenSourcerer, I think that'll be indicator-sound
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone else confirm what I'm seeing?
[08:42] <SuperMatt> that's the one
[08:42] <SuperMatt> TheOpenSourcerer: I've seen similar things
[08:42] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: how did you mute?
[08:42] <SuperMatt> I've got a weird bug right now. When using spdif out, the volume starts up AT FULL until I turn it down
[08:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Click the word "mute"
[08:43] <popey> i clicked mute and it still shows the sound icon thing
[08:43] <popey> i have two audio devices, wonder if that's why
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm, it grey's out and you get the "x" next to the speaker icon.
[08:43] <popey> and mute button on KB doesn't change the icon either
[08:43] <popey> want me to file a bug?
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Repeatedly muting and unmuting seems to get the icon to change correctly but it's not consistent.
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah sure popey
[08:44] <popey> kk
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[08:48] <Laney> There's a bug where it gets stuck sometimes
[08:48] <Laney> killing unity-panel-service and letting it respawn fixes it for me
[08:48] <popey> bug 1244114
[08:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's the one.
[08:50] <JamesTait> I can't reproduce it.
[08:55] <dvrr> hiiiiiiiiiiiii
[09:14] <dwatkins> Today I learned a new software term: "ship blocker"
[09:15] <mungbean_> how can i see g+ posts i have commented on?
[09:15] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: I'm just getting my CV checked out by somemone. Do I need a covering letter?
[09:16] <mungbean_> hmmm SuperMatt i haven't gone through this proces in a while, so its prob different now
[09:16] <mungbean_> i think its via online application form and cv.
[09:17] <SuperMatt> cool
[09:31] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:35] <mungbean_> guys
[09:35] <mungbean_> is this a piece of fiction? https://plus.google.com/103470457057356043365/posts/9fyh5R9v2Ga
[09:35] <mungbean_> sounds like it
[09:35] <mungbean_> heh, i notice sadfl has commented on it
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. Dell's website claims you can't order the XPS13 online anymore.. preparing for a refresh?
[09:52] <brobostigon> like selling off the nexus4 cheap, in prep for selling the nexus5, :)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, possibly
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: speaking of which.. ;)
[09:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: you bought one?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Is the Nexus 5 out?
[09:54] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: all but announced basiclly, yes.
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I want to order it!
[09:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: and you can afford it? however much it will cost.
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: rumours are $350-$399, that's *cheap* for a good smart phone
[10:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I've saved up enough money in the past 2 years of Galaxy Nexus ;)
[10:00] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :) very true, i thought the original nexus4 price was good aswell.
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:14] <DJones> I wonder how long the Nexus branding will continue, we've got N4, N7, N10, N5 is due out, as a guess (on recent naming policies) N6 will have a 6" screen and at that size would more of a phablet than a phone or tablet, where do they go with phone names after that, an N8 with an 8" screen is getting seriously too big for a phone
[10:15] <DJones> Will Google Glass be a N0.5 for the 1/2 inch screen :)
[10:18] <penguin42> DJones: What was the name of the guy in Blade runner who made the Nexus series eyes?
[10:18] <DJones> There was certainly a Nexus 6 reference in Bladerunner
[10:18] <penguin42> hm 'Chew' apparently
[10:18] <popey> Hannibal Chew
[10:19] <penguin42> hmm may not be that great a naming scheme, but for 'what I've seen with your eyes...'
[10:23]  * DJones ponders a remake of the classic horror, "The hills have google eyes"
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> googly eyes?
[11:50] <directhex> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/4735431_700b.jpg
[11:50] <SuperMatt> mungbean_: submitted
[11:57] <DJones> Heh, just saw this mentioned www.php.net is being blocked by Google Chrome for containing malware
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> it is
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> also by firefox
[11:58] <DJones> http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://php.net/&hl=en
[11:58] <DJones> Thats not a good thing to happen
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> DJones: probably some leaky PHP code :P
[11:59] <SuperMatt> ouchy
[11:59] <SuperMatt> can we now start ditching php?
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: maybe
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/webmasters/puLmvjtK0m8/8zxOCgZvyPEJ
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> it's real
[12:26] <mungbean_> SuperMatt: \o/
[12:34] <mungbean_> bought a server from ibm and it came in parts o_O
[12:35] <mungbean_> i mean, had to install CPU, ram, raid card, pcie riser, 10gb eth, disks.
[12:35] <penguin42> mungbean_: Yeh you get the base thing and all the addons
[12:35] <mungbean_> something went wrong somewhere, i'm sure customer doesn't install this
[12:35] <directhex> mungbean_, "system integration" is a line item, maybe?
[12:35] <mungbean_> thats why you get ripped off by a reseller
[12:35] <naya> i'm new here
[12:35] <popey> hello naya
[12:35] <mungbean_> dell servers ftw
[12:35] <naya> hey
[12:36] <naya> i've been out of ubuntu for a while
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean_: IBM has an army of servicepeople to do that,right?
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> naya: welcome back then :)
[12:36] <naya> thanks
[12:36] <mungbean_> i thought some of the items i instaled were not customer installable
[12:36] <mungbean_> how can they validate the new server is working oterhwise
[12:36] <naya> can i get help here?
[12:36] <mungbean_> of course naya whats up
[12:36] <naya> i mean with configuration stuff?
[12:37] <popey> you can drive to mungbean_'s place and setup a server ☻
[12:37] <popey> (I kid)
[12:37] <mungbean_> awww
[12:38] <naya> i use Toshiba Satellite L775 but my keyboard does not work when the system boots
[12:38] <naya> i'm using the life CD now.
[12:38] <penguin42> naya: When you say the keyboard doesn't work - is that the only thing that doesn't work?
[12:39] <penguin42> naya: i.e does the mouse move? Or an external keyboard work?
[12:39] <naya> oh yea right the touchpad doesn't either.
[12:39] <naya> i don't have an external mouse or keyboard.
[12:40] <penguin42> naya: OK, so what makes you think it's the keyboard that's failing as opposed to the whole machine being dead?
[12:40] <naya> because when i use the onscreen keyboard i'm able to log in and that's it
[12:40] <dwatkins> in German, "na ja" means "well, yeah"
[12:41] <penguin42> naya: You mean touchscreen?
[12:41] <naya> onscreen keyboard i mean.
[12:41] <penguin42> naya: OK, that's interesting - I had heard of other people who had keyboards that didn't work
[12:42] <naya> ok?
[12:42] <penguin42> naya: I'm not sure what to suggest, I would file a bug, which version of Ubuntu are you using - and if you can borrow an external keyboard I'd try it
[12:43] <naya> 12.04
[12:43] <naya> LTS
[12:43] <naya> penguin24: and i'm gonna get and external keyboard and mouse
[12:44] <penguin42> naya: ok, is this 12.04.3 ?
[12:44] <naya> penguin42: yea it is
[12:45] <penguin42> naya: OK, so other things to try - and I don't know if any of these will help; 1) Try the latest 13.10 release just to see if it works  2) Try an old release like 10.04
[12:45] <penguin42> naya: But also, if you can do a bug report against 'linux' and mention the bug number here I'll try and see if I can spot anything obvious in the logs
[12:46] <naya> penguin42: ok thanks
[12:46] <naya> penguin42: i'll try the different versions first!
[12:47] <penguin42> naya: If the 12.04 live CD works you can also try installation from say 12.04.1 or switching the hardware enablemenet pack to 12.04.1 or 12.04.2 - that wouldn't need a reinstall
[12:47] <mungbean_> shuttleworth appears to have 2 G+ accounts
[12:47] <penguin42> a work one and a private one?
[12:47] <jussi> mungbean_: I have 4....
[12:47] <penguin42> that's pretty common thing to do
[12:47] <mungbean_> 2k followers on one, and 4k followers on other
[12:47] <naya> penguin42: ok!
[12:48] <jussi> mungbean_: yeah, one is for the unity and mir lovers, the other for haters - Ill let you decide which is which :P
[13:05] <ali1234> i broke launchpad :/
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: awesome
[13:06] <ali1234> upload a package to a ppa, then delete it, then upload it again
[13:06] <ali1234> now i have pending builds on my ppa which contains now packages, because the packages are all pending for deletion
[13:10] <jussi> ali1234: well done! :D
[14:57]  * popey dug 3 suits out of the cupboard, and they all "fit" (ish)
[14:57] <popey> handy for bigcalm's wedding tomorrow
[15:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: so you can "superman rip" out of 2 suits during the course of the wedding? :)
[15:00] <popey> hah
[15:02] <popey> https://twitter.com/search?q=Ubuntu%20is%20a%20community%20developed%20operating%20system%20that%20is%20perfect%20for%20laptops%2C%20desktops%20and%20server&src=typd&f=realtime
[15:02] <popey> why do those twitter accounts exist
[15:02] <penguin42> is there live coverage on here?
[15:02] <popey> many look like generated names
[15:02] <popey> but they are tweeting many of the same pieces of text
[15:02] <MartijnVdS> Search engine optimizers?
[15:03] <popey> I can't fathom what the benefit is, given they aren't tweeting links
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> maybe it makes the accounts seem more "legit" to Twitter's spam-detect robot
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> so once they start spamming, they don't get blocked as quickly
[15:20] <popey> https://twitter.com/windroadkbKhoko/status/393395714249588736 probably explains it
[15:28] <ali1234> why do any twitter accounts exist?
[15:47] <mungbean_> i understand certain use cases
[15:47] <mungbean_> not for me though
[15:51] <mungbean_> bloke who invented twitter sis its to express any info you want anywhere without constraint. except 140 chars
[16:27] <ali1234> trololol :D
[17:00] <diddledan> ali1234: quit trolling
[17:11] <davmor2> diddledan: maybe we should have the government introduce interwebz trolling tax,  of course most of us would be bankrupt by the end of the month :D
[17:12] <diddledan> I'd be bankrupt after the first hour
[17:47] <naya> poivy on ubuntu 12.04
[17:47] <naya> any ideas?
[17:47] <popey> naya: https://www.poivy.com/download has a link to sign up to get the linux version
[17:48] <naya> popey: really? i check didn't see that though
[17:48] <naya> but i'm gonna get back to u.
[17:48] <naya> cheers!
[17:49] <naya> popey: i can only use the websignup version not a standalone application!
[17:50] <popey> poivy just looks like a sip provider
[17:51] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/126408/is-there-any-software-like-voipgain-megavoip-poivy
[17:56] <penguin42> anyone tried Mozilla's togetherJS stuff?
[17:57] <penguin42> e.g. https://togetherjs.com/examples/drawing/
[17:58] <ali1234> anyone got an awk oneliner that turns scp syntax into ssh syntax?
[18:01] <penguin42> not sure it's that trivial, I know of at least differences in -P to -p and scp is fussier over the placement
[18:01] <penguin42> but not sure of other differences
[18:01] <ali1234> well basically i just need to turn 'user@host:/path/to/file' into 'user@host -c "cat /path/to/file"'
[18:02] <ali1234> this can't be all that hard... it might not be perfect but it's good enough
[18:02] <ali1234> maybe i can do it with sedactually
[18:02] <ali1234> just replace first :
[18:02] <ali1234> and stick a " on the end
[18:02] <ali1234> yeah that should work
[18:19] <ali1234> can i untar to a series of pipes?
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: *to* a pipe? unlikely.
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> you can untar *from* one, or tar *to* one, no problem
[18:20] <ali1234> eg for each file in a tar file, pipe it to md5sum > $filename.md5
[18:20] <MartijnVdS>      --to-command=COMMAND
[18:20] <MartijnVdS>            pipe extracted files to another program
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> ^ from "man tar"
[18:20] <ali1234> awesome
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> I don't know if that pipes it as one big blob though
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> or as separate files
[18:21] <ali1234> yeha i don't want it to
[18:22] <ali1234> http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Writing-to-an-External-Program.html#SEC84
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> shiny
[18:23] <ali1234> exactly what i need :)
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> Wow, another batch of security updates
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> was there some kind of backlog?
[18:28] <davmor2> http://www.kulfoto.com/funny-pictures/52288/librarian-humor-na-na-na-batman  I'll just leave that here
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ...
[18:33] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: put a smile on my face so thought I'd share it :)
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I've sent it on to a librarian I know :)
[18:33] <davmor2> haha
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> http://open.spotify.com/album/1aSU7tVnGuKquY8yKCw1jm
[19:12] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296712/
[19:13] <ali1234> for when you have to copy a directory twice using absolutely the minimum amount of bandwidth possible
[19:15] <penguin42> ali1234: pv ?
[19:15] <ali1234> pipe viewer, shows throughput on the pipe
[19:16] <ali1234> this is my final solution instead of using rsync
[19:16] <penguin42> what was wrong with rsync?
[19:16] <ali1234> well, the double file thing
[19:16] <penguin42> double file?
[19:17] <ali1234> this makes two copies of every file and also writes checksums, while reading each file strictly only once, and writing it strictly only twice
[19:17] <ali1234> doing the same with rsync would mean multiple reads of each file
[19:17] <ali1234> i don't have time fo that
[19:17] <penguin42> why multiple reads?
[19:18] <ali1234> rsync it to make copy 1
[19:18] <ali1234> that's 1 read/1write
[19:18] <ali1234> then rsync it again to make copy 2, that's another 1 read and 1 write
[19:18] <ali1234> then md5sum it all, that's another read
[19:18] <penguin42> oh you're wanting double copies
[19:18] <ali1234> = 3 reads, 2 writes
[19:19] <ali1234> this does the whole thing in one step, thus it's optimal i think
[19:19] <ali1234> not sure how much overhead tar and ssh will create, probably not much though
[19:22] <ali1234> turns out my laptop doesn't actually have gigabit ethernet, so that's will be the limiting factor
[19:25] <ali1234> i need to test this with spaces in the file names
[21:28]  * popey hopes bigcalm gets a good nights sleep
[22:07] <penguin42> popey: You've not tied him naked to a lamppost with cat5?
[22:10] <popey> heh
[22:11] <directhex> cat5 is poor rope
[22:11] <directhex> doesn't knot well
[22:15] <AlanBell> I am sure bigcalm will be tucked up in bed nice and early
[22:15] <AlanBell> Hayley might not be though :)
[22:20] <AlanBell> Anyone know lots about VAT? DJones?http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2013/10/crowdfunding-and-vat/
[23:37] <bigcalm> I've just got back from the venue. Some joint decorating while we're still aloud to see each other
[23:37] <bigcalm> I'm now on my own and unlikely to sleep
[23:43] <penguin42> well, you shouldn't be sleeping tomorrow....
[23:43] <bigcalm> Today?
[23:43] <bigcalm> T - 14 hours 46 mins
[23:45] <penguin42> ah very civilised, no rush
[23:45] <bigcalm> It's 00:45, not a civilised hour I'd say
[23:46] <penguin42> but 2-3pm will be
[23:47] <bigcalm> 3.30pm
[23:47] <bigcalm> I will be back at the venue at 10am though to continue setting up
[23:52] <bigcalm> Maybe watching TV in bed will help
[23:52] <bigcalm> Night peeps :)