[00:06] <grandwatch_COMMA> hey.
[00:08] <grandwatch_COMMA> would a radeon 7700 perform as good on ubuntu a son windows?
[00:08] <grandwatch_COMMA> regarding the driver quality.
[00:09] <Denyerec> In the file manager, what's the command key to spawn a new window ?
[00:10] <Denyerec> Also, are there any file managers that are somewhat less.... basic.
[00:10] <Denyerec> Like Directory Opus, for example ?
[00:11] <mouse> #FreeBSD
[00:12] <grandwatch_COMMA> mouse, can you help?
[00:13] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: as in?: nautilus
[00:14] <Denyerec> Whatever the default file "manager"  is
[00:14] <Denyerec> (More of a file browser if you ask me)
[00:14] <grandwatch_COMMA> nautilus.
[00:14] <Denyerec> Just wanted to spawn a new window - couldn't
[00:14] <Denyerec> had to use the mouse
[00:14] <Denyerec> Tried Alt N, Ctrl N, Ctrl Alt N
[00:14] <Denyerec> Nothing seemed to trip it off
[00:14] <Denyerec> But in the file menu, I see "new window" with N as a shortcut key underlined.
[00:14] <Denyerec> Thought that'd be Alt+N
[00:15] <Denyerec> But didn't seem to work
[00:15] <hitsujiTMO> grandwatch_COMMA: ati support tends to leave you with 2 choices: decent 2d performance and practically no 3d with radeon driver, or good 3d and crap 2d with fglrx
[00:15] <grandwatch_COMMA> what's with the three floodbots?
[00:16] <grandwatch_COMMA> it was fine on windows.
[00:16] <grandwatch_COMMA> but for some reason catalyst doesn't save the settings, I've tried everything.
[00:16] <grandwatch_COMMA> running as root..
[00:17] <grandwatch_COMMA> hitsujiTMO, could you help with this problem? where catalyst wont save my settings. the screen always goes back to not spreading out compltely. across the screen.
[00:18] <grandwatch_COMMA> 1680 x 1050..
[00:18] <hitsujiTMO> try setting up an xorg.conf
[00:18] <Denyerec> How do I spawn a root file manager?
[00:19] <hitsujiTMO> to be honest, i avoid ati graphics like the plague, so can't help you with the specifics
[00:19] <grandwatch_COMMA> i dont have dvi ports.
[00:19] <grandwatch_COMMA> this is a tv.
[00:19] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: install gksu and do: gksudo nautilus
[00:19] <grandwatch_COMMA> i would have gone for nvidia.
[00:19] <Denyerec> Oh, so you can't right click and "run as root" ?
[00:20] <hitsujiTMO> Denyerec: not that i know of
[00:20] <Denyerec> MMM
[00:20] <Denyerec> Maybe I should install Thunar instead of Nautilis
[00:20] <Denyerec> Nautilus seems awfully... basic.
[00:20] <Denyerec> Is it supposed to be ?
[00:20] <Denyerec> Or is it operating in some kind of newbie mode?
[00:21] <Denyerec> Bit new to Linux GUI, sorry :(
[00:21] <Denyerec> (Server commandline for years)
[00:21] <oldsmokey> gotta luv linux
[00:21] <hitsujiTMO> yeah, its intended for base use. power users tend to stick with terminal
[00:21] <Denyerec> Bit of a quantum leap that.
[00:21] <Denyerec> "Here, have a crayon. Or this supercomputer."
[00:21] <oldsmokey> cant wait to tweak the crap out of it
[00:22] <Denyerec> :)
[00:23] <oldsmokey> 3.12.0-031200rc6-generic will make it scream lol
[00:25] <sophie__> oldsmokey, what's new in 3.12 over 3.8 from the standpoint of the end user?
[00:27] <ExWizzard> hello everyone, is it possible to restore an rm -rf / server by wgeting the files from another identical server /boot /usr and all that?
[00:28] <Thalheim> ExWizzard, how did you end up in this situation?
[00:29] <ExWizzard> i was called to fix this, i dont know the exact details, the user with root access executed the command
[00:29] <Thalheim> well,
[00:29] <Thalheim> you'd need to boot it from a live system
[00:29] <OerHeks> ExWizzard, not possible unless you were root. if so, time to backup and reinstall.
[00:30] <ExWizzard> i am booted into rescue mode, with the partitions attached
[00:30] <ExWizzard> half the files are there
[00:30] <ExWizzard> other half not..
[00:30] <Thalheim> recover the files that you can.
[00:30] <Thalheim> then reinstall
[00:30] <Thalheim> and rsync the files from there
[00:30] <ExWizzard> i see, so no chance of bringing the server up online without reinstalling?
[00:31] <Thalheim> not really
[00:31] <Guest68286> 这是哪里
[00:31] <ExWizzard> i was hoping to run a file recovery program on the partition
[00:31] <Thalheim> at least that i know of
[00:31] <Thalheim> you can still run a recovery program on it
[00:31] <Thalheim> but there's no way you're going to do this on a live system
[00:32] <ExWizzard> the rescue mode is read only, cannot compile the recovery program
[00:32] <Thalheim> worst case, mount a network drive
[00:32] <Thalheim> and compile everything on there
[00:32] <tking0036> I figured out the problem.. curl is replacing & in links with &amp;
[00:32] <tking0036> how do I stop that
[00:33] <Thalheim> tking0036, what language are you calling curl from, if any?
[00:33] <tking0036> bash
[00:33] <Thalheim> is it in quotes?
[00:34] <ExWizzard> okay thanks
[00:34] <tking0036> It's not.. I'll try putting the url in quotyes
[00:34] <Thalheim> tking0036, if that fails, escape all of the &'s with \ slashes
[00:34] <Thalheim> like this \& this
[00:34] <tking0036> is that -e ?
[00:35] <Thalheim> tking0036, what command are you using?
[00:35] <tking0036> im doing curl -b cookies.txt --url "the url"
[00:36] <tking0036> writing out with > out.txt
[00:36] <Thalheim> and your url is in double quotes and it still fails?
[00:36] <tking0036> it doesnt fail.. It puts &amp;
[00:36] <Thalheim> is the url constant?
[00:36] <tking0036> It works.. Like I get that page
[00:37] <tking0036> but there are links on the page with & in them
[00:37] <tking0036> and it replaces every & in the response file with &amp;
[00:37] <Thalheim> oh i see
[00:38] <tking0036> Could I do something with sed?
[00:38] <Thalheim> thinking
[00:38] <tking0036> I don't regex so idk there
[00:38] <m4t> hey, could someone tell me what is renaming eth0 to em1 in 13.10?
[00:38] <m4t> no 70-persistent-net.rules
[00:39] <wr3d> hi all
[00:39] <fwaokda> using ssh whats the proper way to download a file to my pc from remote location? i tried  scp filename ~/home/user/ but it put a copy on the remote server there
[00:39] <wr3d> does anyone know how to enable appmenu in GTK apps?
[00:39] <wr3d> or does unity-gtk2-module take care of that now?
[00:40] <tking0036> Thalheim: any ideas?
[00:40] <Thalheim> try uppercase B
[00:40] <ausxxh> this is a dumb question, is there a way i somehow apt-get back to the stage of fresh install?
[00:40] <ausxxh> reinstall with uefi and windows8 is always scary
[00:41] <Thalheim> ausxxh, reinstall windows 8?
[00:41] <ausxxh> no reinstall ubuntu
[00:41] <Thalheim> oh
[00:41] <ausxxh> in fact my laptop does not have a windows 8 cd with it
[00:41] <Thalheim> then what does w8 have to do with it?
[00:41] <ausxxh> my ubuntu is 'broken' somehow
[00:42] <ausxxh> dual-boot, and i want to see if i can 'reset' ubuntu before i have to reinstall it
[00:42] <ausxxh> 12.04 that is
[00:42] <ausxxh> i think it's caused by some stupid i386 packages required by androdi build
[00:42] <Thalheim> ah
[00:42] <tking0036> Thalheim: -B is for FTP transfers
[00:42] <overdub> fwaokda, scp -v user@host:/path/to/file .
[00:43] <fwaokda> thanks
[00:43] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, there is no reset.
[00:44] <fwaokda> overdub, is there a cmd or something to find out what my user@host should be?
[00:44] <overdub> that would be the remote machine user host
[00:44] <fwaokda> ahh ok thanks
[00:44] <overdub> you said you wanted to copy a file to your computer from remote
[00:44] <fwaokda> yup
[00:45] <tking0036> can someone help me with sed
[00:45] <tking0036> I need to replace &amp; with &
[00:46] <overdub> sed -e 's:\&amp;:\&:g'
[00:47] <Thalheim> overdub, does it make a difference to use slashes versus colons?
[00:47] <tking0036> overdub: thank you so fuckingmuch
[00:47] <overdub> you may use any non meta character as delimiter
[00:47] <Thalheim> learned something new
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> !language | tking0036
[00:47] <tking0036> that worked
[00:48] <overdub> Thalheim, have had that feeling in IRC many times myself :)
[00:49] <ausxxh> wilee-nilee: thanks. it's time to get a 'recovery' mode for linux...
[00:50] <ausxxh> we should be able to roll back if a update messed things up
[00:50] <ausxxh> just the system stuff, not user data,
[00:51] <mae_tae> i want to install SVN but no idea, is there any web equivalent for that? do you know some good website where I can start on
[00:51] <wilee-nilee> ausxxh, You can if you know what your doing, there are no hand holding apps, that's the point.
[00:52] <tking0036> what does the g mean in sed
[00:53] <gram-negative> Is there a way to make a customized boot-usb for ubuntu? As in I boot off of it and all of my settings are already there?
[00:53] <itaylor57> g = global
[00:54] <itaylor57> i.e. do the substitution on all occurances
[00:55] <tking0036> how could I apply that to a script
[00:56] <tking0036> like to a string
[00:58] <Thalheim> you mean, run it on a physical script or make it into a script?
[00:58] <linuxuz3r> i cant seem to wake up from hibernate and suspend can someone help
[00:59] <Thalheim> linuxuz3r, is this a laptop?
[00:59] <linuxuz3r> desktop 12.04.3 with updates
[00:59] <linuxuz3r> nvidia graphics card
[00:59] <linuxuz3r> they said that its due to nvidia gfx card but i installed the drivers already and still cant wake up
[01:00] <Thalheim> who said?
[01:00] <linuxuz3r> forums
[01:00] <tking0036> you guys saved the day!
[01:02] <linuxuz3r> thalheim c an you help
[01:07] <pfifo> Hi everyone
[01:07] <OerHeks> hi pfifo
[01:08] <pfifo> Im on 13.10, using default apps, including firefox. Dont want to switch to chromium yet. But firefox keeps asking me to install flash. I have chosen to boycott flash and want this message to go away. How can I get rid of it?
[01:09] <noagor> 2
[01:14] <OerHeks> pfifo maybe flashblock is what you want >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/344312/how-to-prevent-the-flash-is-required-popup-from-showing-in-firefox-and-chrome
[01:15] <OerHeks> and try html5 on the youtube page, awesome
[01:17] <qingluo> hi all, i have a question about shutdown command. why shutdown button in graphic mode, while using sudo shutdown in terminal will need user passwd. how it be?
[01:17] <pfifo> Exactly, why flash when you can simply html.... join the movement
[01:18] <OerHeks> qingluo, "sudo" requires your password
[01:18] <xangua> pfifo: not all youtube videos are aviable in html5 player, neither all video sites
[01:18] <pfifo> qingluo: can you 'shutdown' without sudo?
[01:19] <qingluo> OerHeks: but why graphic mode shutdown button didnt require my passwd? normal user can run shutdown while any notice?
[01:19] <pfifo> xangua: actually 99% of my flash player usage was for viewing advertisements :)
[01:21] <OerHeks> qingluo, good question; i think that the gui has this solution build-in, but not accessible from comandline > http://askubuntu.com/questions/168879/shutdown-from-terminal-without-entering-password
[01:22] <qingluo> OerHeks: thanks you, i'll search it further
[01:28] <groundnuty_m> hey, what command can I use to get as much details about my wifi usb antena?
[01:28] <groundnuty_m> antena/adapter
[01:29] <tvillerealest> hey, how can i get skype on ubuntu?
[01:30] <xangua> tvillerealest: you can download it from the software center or go to skype.com
[01:30] <Thalheim> groundnuty_m, you can try "lshw -C network"
[01:31] <tvillerealest> xangua: i tried that and it only offered a 32-bit but i need a 64-bit
[01:33] <skraito> ubuntu win again redhat guys?
[01:33] <xangua> !ot | skraito
[01:35] <hitsujiTMO> tvillerealest: you need the multiarch
[01:38] <Richhh> using wubi installer, stuck on 2/5 dots "Preparing to run ubuntu for the first time..." for ~1 hour now, fans are noisy so its hard to differentiate any hdd sounds, don't think there's a hdd light to check either, doesn't respond to ctrl+alt f1...f4 or s or enter, rebooted, following http://askubuntu.com/questions/127358/ubuntu-freezes-running-the-first-time   did step 1, except ctrl+x didnt do anything
[01:39] <Wheez> Ubuntu dropped Wubi after 12.04 because it had so many problems
[01:39] <Richhh> shall i just switch the PC off to reboot then continue to step 2?
[01:39] <cfhowlett> Richhh, wubi is for testing ubuntu, not for long term installation.  If you're only testing, you might find it easier to do so in Virtualbox.
[01:39] <Wheez> Or a bootable disk or USB drive
[01:40] <Richhh> bootable DVD was not detected for some reason
[01:40] <Richhh> bootable USB not supported by bios apparently
[01:40] <Richhh> id like to dual boot XP and Ubuntu
[01:40] <cfhowlett> !dualboot|Richhh, dual boot then.
[01:40] <qasfdgafh> query %s
[01:40] <groundnuty_m> Thalheim: not much info there
[01:41] <Wheez> There is a difference between dual boot and wubi Richhh
[01:41] <Richhh> ok
[01:41] <cfhowlett> Richhh, I take it this is an older machine?  it'll probably enjoy lubuntu or xubuntu more.  both are optimized for older/lower spec devices
[01:42] <Thalheim> by the way, lubuntu core is REALLY fast to boot.
[01:42] <Thalheim> i have it running on some servers for that reason
[01:42] <weasel00> suacy upgrade hosed my mediawiki apache conf file. any pointers on the correct settings? tried google to no avail :/
[01:42] <cfhowlett> Thalheim, I see your lubuntu and raise you that xubuntu is the foundation of Ubuntustudio ...
[01:43] <FesterJester> I am trying to take the output from shred and use it in YAD or Zenity
[01:43] <Thalheim> i'm calling your bluff*
[01:43] <cfhowlett> :)
[01:43] <Thalheim> no. joking
[01:43] <Thalheim> fold
[01:43] <cfhowlett> Thalheim, we both win!
[01:43] <Richhh> yeah cfhowlett
[01:44] <FesterJester> anyone familiar with zenity or yad?
[01:45] <cfhowlett> FesterJester, never heard of them on this channel.  If they're apps you might find more support on their specific sites.
[01:47] <Richhh> so now i know not to use wubi do i need to uninstall whatever it has installed?
[01:49] <cfhowlett> Richhh, I'm thinking it hung.  if you can still boot OK, don't bother.
[01:49] <jery> hi
[01:51] <time1> hello everyone
[01:52] <time1> i want that every .exe file should open with wine windows program loader, but it is opening with q4wine
[01:52] <time1> i installed wine to install office
[01:52] <time1> now what to do
[01:53] <xangua> time1: right clic, properties, open with
[01:53] <time1> yes, i know that but how to set it as a default
[01:54] <time1> there should be a check box to set a application as default in ubuntu, like windows
[01:55] <time1> this is just a pain for user to right click every time to do that
[01:55] <leonid> time1: right click, properties, open with, choose app, set as default
[01:55] <xangua> time1: 'set as default program' is right there time1
[01:55] <xangua> lol
[01:56] <time1> No, It is not there, let me show you the imagebin
[02:01] <time1> http://imagebin.org/274584
[02:01] <time1> xangua: ^^
[02:02] <jack01111> anyone here in umass that might be able to help me with my ubuntu install?
[02:04] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, state the issue to the channel, if someone knows they will probably answer.
[02:04] <master> wow
[02:05] <time1> i want to change my default file manager to nemo, because nautilus stopped responding many times, even on small directories, but nemo looks are not pleasent here, how to solve that http://imagebin.org/274586
[02:05] <moderx> why cant I send
[02:05] <time1> xangua:  http://imagebin.org/274586 leonid
[02:06] <wilee-nilee> moderx, send what? give some details and context.
[02:06] <time1> xangua: sorry, http://imagebin.org/274584
[02:06] <Devin_Squirrel> Devin_Squirrel
[02:06] <moderx> mode
[02:07] <Devin_Squirrel> so hows everyone
[02:07] <moderx> MODE
[02:07] <moderx> good you devin>
[02:07] <Devin_Squirrel> echo
[02:07] <Devin_Squirrel> pretty good
[02:07] <moderx> ok for some reason I wants allowed to speak in chat odd
[02:08] <moderx> glad its working now
[02:08] <moderx> I was getting "Cannot send to channel"
[02:08] <moderx> weird eh?
[02:09] <moderx> well I goot to know its working
[02:09] <moderx> err good
[02:11] <jack01111> anyone here in umass that might be able to help me with my ubuntu install? after grub is only black screen it's my first time installing an os. 0 computer knowledge, if anyone is in umass please help me
[02:11] <hitsujiTMO> jack01111: try adding the kernel param: nomodeset
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, This the at the reboot after the install?
[02:12] <jack01111> after the installation, i see ubuntu ubuntu13.10 system setup
[02:12] <jack01111> then any options just give me black screen except ssytem setup jumps me back to efi
[02:12] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset | jack01111 try this
[02:13] <jack01111> ok i will try it thanks
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, If that gets you to the desktop run a update and check the additional drivers app for ant graphic drivers offered.
[02:14] <wilee-nilee> any*
[02:15] <jack01111> im on usb wifi...cant even connect to the net..
[02:16] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, The usb wifi did not work in the live environment?
[02:16] <moderx> you might need to be wired to get thet wireless driver
[02:16] <jack01111> sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt, after installation there was a single instance the gui pops out , but no wifi and then black screen
[02:16] <moderx> weird
[02:17] <moderx> are you using a recent version of ubuntu?
[02:17] <jack01111> 13.10
[02:17] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, No Ethernet cable?
[02:17] <jack01111> i brought a very high end pc and im still with no OS for 2 weeks
[02:17] <jack01111> no ethernet, in school dorm
[02:17] <moderx> and all you get is a black screen?
[02:18] <moderx> do you get the splash
[02:18] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, Did the computer come with an OS, and does it get wifi?
[02:18] <moderx> like the ubuntu boot up?
[02:18] <jack01111> no the computer does not come with an OS, it gets wifi on the live cd but not all the times, sometimes the drivers work on live sometimes it doesn't
[02:19] <jack01111> im using alfa wireless usb
[02:20] <moderx> blah
[02:20] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, If you can get to the desktop and open a terminal run lsusb and identify the usb wifi exactly. There are many that plug and work, you might consider getting one they are cheap.
[02:21] <jack01111> those commands you tell me im really noob at it, havent even install a windows os before :(
[02:21] <jack01111> i was hoping someone in UMASS might be able to help me. willing to pay...
[02:21] <jack01111> my local repair shop doesn't want to make the trip down to install
[02:21] <hitsujiTMO> can you copy the line that identifies your wireless?
[02:21] <moderx> its cool jack01111. we all need to start somewhere! :)
[02:21] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, this is a world wide channel, not umass
[02:21] <moderx> just dong give up! :)
[02:22] <moderx> don't* lol typo
[02:22] <jack01111> ok..
[02:23] <moderx> Linux is a beautiful thing once you learn it.. turn hours of work into minutes
[02:24] <moderx> wilee-nilee has a good idea going
[02:24] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, You can get a usb wifi from amazon that will identify working on linux by just plugging it in, and or a local store near you. YOu can just run the command I gave you from a terminal and identify the usb exactly not just the name, that does not really work, hardware has specifics.
[02:24] <wylde> jack01111, you could see if there's a local LUG
[02:24] <moderx> I got one for 11 dollard
[02:24] <moderx> dollars*
[02:24] <moderx> you can get cheaper
[02:25] <moderx> but mine works fine
[02:25] <jack01111> ok
[02:25] <moderx> is there a reason that you cant get wired?
[02:25] <moderx> or borrow a cable from a friend?
[02:25] <moderx> casue Ubuntu supports stuff pretty well
[02:25] <moderx> just yo have to be connected to the internet for the driver
[02:26] <moderx> which believe me.... Winbloz can be a nightmare for drivers...
[02:27] <moderx> .
[02:28] <user456> does anyone know how to get the trackpad work in 13.10 on an acer c720 chromebook?
[02:30] <Saint_> #ubuntu-de
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, here is an example of someone asking about a alpha us wifi, notice the header and the model info, the lsusb command will tell you that about yours. http://askubuntu.com/questions/178009/how-do-i-install-drivers-for-the-alfa-awus036h-usb-wireless-adapter
[02:30] <wilee-nilee> usb*
[02:31] <jack01111> ok im still reading on the nomoodset part lol
[02:31] <hitsujiTMO> user456: what version of ubuntu?
[02:32] <jack01111> how do i enter nomodeset for ubuntu 13.10
[02:33] <wilee-nilee> jack01111, Cool we all started somewhere in this trying to figure stuff out. ;)
[02:34] <Guest98919> Hello
[02:34] <Guest98919> Can someone help me?
[02:34] <moderx> I remember my first month ... it was rough... but now boss biges me tons of work and Linux makes the job easier... a LOT easier... boss doesnt none the wiser
[02:34] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | Guest98919
[02:34] <moderx> boss gives*
[02:34] <moderx> sorry
[02:35] <Guest98919> I am using Lubuntu and my Menu won't work properly. It only shows me the 'Run' and 'Logout'-Button, but not the Application, Settings etc.
[02:36] <jack01111> how do i enter nomodeset for ubuntu 13.10?
[02:36] <Ben64> !nomodeset | jack01111
[02:36] <jack01111> @Ben64 i don't see that try ubuntu screen
[02:36] <Ben64> Guest98919: can you post a screenshot
[02:37] <Ben64> jack01111: did you already install
[02:37] <Guest98919> Ben64: No, because i can't run much Applications
[02:37] <Guest98919> Firefox is on my Desktop, this Way i could enter a Webchat
[02:37] <Ben64> Guest98919: "print screen" key should still take a screenshot, and you can post it using firefox
[02:37] <Guest98919> If i try to access the Applications via PCManFM it just loads and loads...
[02:38] <furoido> hav eyou ever experienced Chrome not having titles in the tab?
[02:38] <Guest98919> Doesnt work somehow
[02:38] <jack01111> yes Ben64 already installewd
[02:39] <Ben64> jack01111: then read further down, where it says to hit shift to get to the grub menu
[02:39] <crack> quick question, is there any tool on backtrack that will let me reset an admin password on a machine in the same network i'm on???
[02:39] <jorian>  /set window_default_level MSGS PUBLICS NOTICES CTCPS ACTIONS JOINS PARTS QUITS KICKS MODES TOPICS NICKS CLIENTCRAP
[02:39] <Ben64> crack: backtrack is not supported here
[02:40] <jorian> well that didn't work :p
[02:40] <crack> is this ubuntu only
[02:40] <hitsujiTMO> furoido: not experienced, but heard it is a bug for some peeps
[02:40] <crack> how can i switch to a back track irc???
[02:40] <wilee-nilee> crack, yes and backtrack is eol.
[02:40] <crack> its eol??
[02:40] <crack> end of line
[02:41] <crack> life
[02:41] <wilee-nilee> yes
[02:41] <crack> wilee can can i use then??
[02:41] <jorian> crack: I believe it was replaced by Kali linux
[02:41] <crack> some dumb A$$ changed an admin password on me.
[02:41] <Ben64> !backtrack | crack
[02:41] <crack> anyone have any ideas?
[02:41] <crack> quick question, is there any tool on backtrack that will let me reset an admin password on a machine in the same network i'm on???
[02:41] <hitsujiTMO> crack try #backtrack maybe
[02:42] <crack> #backtrack
[02:42] <crack> where do I put that?
[02:42] <hitsujiTMO> /join #backtrack
[02:42] <Ben64> /join #kali-linux
[02:42] <moderx> .
[02:42] <jorian> crack: honestly if you're looking to remotely change an admin password
[02:42] <jorian> crack: it might be fairly non trivial
[02:42] <niftylettuce>  can anyone help with this Desktop Capture API issue on Ubuntu?  It's not displaying the window picker... https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=310329
[02:42] <crack> ya i know i've been trying
[02:43] <crack> i can do it all day in front of a machine.. that's easy
[02:43] <crack> more like a dictionary or brute force attack
[02:43] <hitsujiTMO> !ot | crack
[02:43] <crack> how to i change to another irc??
[02:43] <Ben64> crack: its offtopic here, please take it to the appropriate channel
[02:43] <hitsujiTMO> /join #backtrack
[02:46] <BradTN> hey guys
[02:47] <BradTN> can anyone please help me with my ubuntu box :(
[02:47] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | BradTN
[02:47] <BradTN> having a software raid issue and i dont even know where to begin to be honest
[02:48] <hitsujiTMO> !details | BradTN
[02:48] <BradTN> ah ok im sorry
[02:48] <BradTN> I am running 12.04 ubuntu I had a software raid 5 of 6 drives
[02:49] <BradTN> Out of nowhere suppoesdly 2 of my drives failed?
[02:49] <BradTN> I rebooted the system and i randomly couldnt get back into ubuntu...
[02:49] <BradTN> I finally sorta solved that and i am back in the os
[02:49] <Thalheim> BradTN, check the power or data cable to them. yesterday my sata cable on a raid array somehow stopped working, and it reported a failed disk
[02:49] <BradTN> but my raid isnt running or mounting? i have no idea what to do or what to look at
[02:49] <BradTN> i am a ubuntu noob 100%
[02:50] <BradTN> I am wondering if someone would PLEASE teamview in my box
[02:50] <BradTN> and take a look?
[02:50] <Thalheim> BradTN, pm me
[02:50] <BradTN> im freaking out
[02:50] <BradTN> lol
[02:51] <time1> i want to integrate pidgin to kde, taskbar
[02:51] <time1> how to do that
[02:51] <time1> anyone
[02:52] <xangua> time1: enable notification icon in pidgin preferences
[02:54] <time1> xangua: thanks a lot
[02:54] <kyle__> I'm having graphics problems with my ubuntu box since upgrading to 13.10.  It's got a Gforce 8400, using the neuvo driver
[02:54] <kyle__> It seems to lock up on _something_ repeiter host does when rendering the preview of what path the print head will take
[02:55] <jorian> Before going down the rabbit hole, I was wondering if anyone has had any success using containers to run X11 apps in Ubuntu?
[02:56] <kyle__> jorian: which type?  I haven't tried, but it's an interesting idea.
[02:56] <jorian> kyle__: Well, I haven't done much research yet.  But I was thinking it would be nice to run firefox in an LXC
[02:57] <kyle__> jorian: Out of curisoity, why firefox, or why just firefox?
[02:57] <jorian> kyle__: Partly for securirty and partly just to see if I could do it.
[02:57]  * kyle__ is porting over some openvz containers to lxc right now
[02:57] <kyle__> Cool.
[02:58] <jorian> kyle__: I don't know very much about them yet.  I just found out about them the other day, and I have been getting a little bit excited about them.
[02:58] <wilee-nilee> I like FF in ram, http://www.webupd8.org/2013/02/keep-your-browser-profiles-in-tmpfs-ram.html
[02:59] <kyle__> Anyone?  X segfaulting on 13.04 with nouveau driver?
[02:59] <kyle__> s/13.04/13.10/
[03:01] <Stronghold> For so many people, this channel has all the excitement of a sleepy sloth
[03:01] <matu> holaa
[03:02] <crocket> I installed 13.10, and ibus is not displayed in the unity panel.
[03:02] <matu> alguna chika?
[03:02] <crocket> It used to be there in 13.04
[03:02] <crocket> What happened?
[03:02] <CrazyZurfer> just updated to 13.10 from 13.04 and now I can't log in.. i mean.. the screen keeps in black after login in. During update, had issues, so I did ppa-purge xorg-"Something" and that fixed the problem, what could it be?
[03:03] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: What video card?  Mostly out of curiosity, more than being able to help.
[03:03] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: Nvidia geforce 650M
[03:04] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: did you have ssh enabled?  Have another system you can ssh in with to see what's going on in the logs?
[03:05] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I can enter to the console by control + alt + f1
[03:06] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: Can you log in using a different wm/de?
[03:07] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I don't understand what you say.. I can see logs.. tell me where it is and i'll show it to you
[03:07] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: First check /var/log/Xorg.log.0, since X is still running.  See if it crashed or if it thinks X is fine.
[03:10] <crocket> oh my
[03:10] <crocket> ubuntu is replacing ibus with its own input methods.
[03:12] <kyle__> OK.  So, if I shut down my system, go away for the night, come back, it works until something in repeiter host renders, then I get odd graphics corruption and nothing can get GUI back.  If I reboot, I get a checkerboard garbage screen.  I can repeat with a clean looking boot tomorrow.
[03:13] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6292722/
[03:13] <kyle__> It didnt' happen before I upgraded to 13.10, so is that conincidence, and the card is dying, or a driver bug and the card is fine?
[03:13] <roxx_> hi
[03:14] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: X is fine.  Or at least it thinks it's fine.  Do you know how to choose a different DE from the login screen?
[03:14] <roxx_> Have a question/problem with umask
[03:14] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: nope
[03:14] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: I'm going to guess that it's something running on login (remenant from pre-upgrade), that isn't working.
[03:15] <kyle__> Hum.  Ok. This is from memory (my ubuntu box is hosed), so give me some leway....
[03:15] <zerodivided> So TF2 runs pretty bad in 13.10. I'm running an HD 5870. Any idea whats up?
[03:16] <kyle__> When you reboot, don't log in right away.  Click the little ubuntu icon next to your name, and you should see a drop down.  Click on it, and choose gnome for failsafe.  Then continue to log in.
[03:16] <time1> helllo everyone, i am using dolphin right now, it is much better than nautilus file browser
[03:16] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I don't see that option :S
[03:16] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:16] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: Is there an "other" option?
[03:16] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: I don't see that ubuntu icon
[03:16] <time1> i want to know one thing, the files with big file names are appearing as it as
[03:17] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: nope, I see just the input password, but nothing else.. Down there I can see that it says, "invited Session"
[03:17] <time1> in nautilus, it usually display some few characters of file name, followed by ....
[03:17] <time1> how to do that in dolphin
[03:18] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: Damn.  They changed it again.
[03:19] <time1> is there any skype plugin for pidgin
[03:20] <time1> voice and video calls
[03:20] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:21] <BradTN> can anyone else help consult on my raid box with thalheim??
[03:22] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: From the command line, try to sudo apt-get install lxde.  It's a very lightweight desktop envrionment.  Maybe if it's installed as well, it will show you the option from the login screen?
[03:24] <crocket> oh man
[03:27] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:29] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:29] <klync> roxx_: just got done reading it the first time, thanks....
[03:30] <roxx_> hi!
[03:30] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: it was the bumblebee. i reinstaled it and it worked
[03:31] <fahadash> Hi
[03:31] <roxx_> is kyle still here?
[03:32] <fahadash> I installed ubuntu on a vm, I don't see any "wobbly" effect when I move a window around... How do I enable it ?
[03:32] <kyle__> bumblebee?
[03:32] <fahadash> Actually I don't see any of the good ux stuff that I see on those youtube videos
[03:32] <kyle__> The 80's cartoon version, or the CGI camera from the (crappy) new movies?
[03:33] <roxx_> Anyone know what this problem is?   Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to igno
[03:33] <kyle__> fahadash: compiz settings manager, probably.  You can find it in apt.
[03:33] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: ran dpkg to see the installed and uninstalled software, and saw that bumblebee was uninstalled, installed it again and worked
[03:33] <sgp667> fahadash
[03:33] <Omen_20> Does anyone know of any issues with the Startup Disk Creator? I can't get 13.10 to boot on my pendrive.
[03:33] <Thalheim> roxx_, please stop repeating yourself
[03:33] <fahadash> roxx_: umask
[03:33] <kyle__> roxx_: Stop repeating your question, please.  You're having umask problems.  A google search will probably help.
[03:33] <fahadash> sgp667 ?
[03:34] <fahadash> kyle__: Thats a little cryptic for me
[03:34] <sgp667> I am using Zorin and it came with CompizConfig  Settings Manager  it has settign for teh wobbly windows
[03:34] <kyle__> CrazyZurfer: awesome.
[03:34] <sgp667> but idk if it applies to your distro
[03:34] <CrazyZurfer> kyle__: yeah, don't know why anyway but works haha, thanks for your help ;)
[03:34] <fahadash> kyle__: sudo apt-get install compiz setting manager doesnt give anything
[03:35] <kyle__> fahadash: compiz settings manager is a program to let you turn on and off compiz "stuff".  Unity hides most of the stuff from you, so you can't turn it on or off by deafult.
[03:35] <kyle__> fahadash: apt-cache search compiz|grep settings
[03:35] <kyle__> fahadash: apt-cache search compiz|grep setting
[03:35] <kyle__> rather.
[03:35] <sgp667> to be hones it cam with distro what about compizconfig?
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, sudo apt-get compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:36] <sgp667> that worked for me
[03:36] <sgp667> i'm not sure is the setting manager will be included though
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, Be very careful messing with compiz and look up the reset, sometimes it needs a logout or reboot when tweaked
[03:38] <vertago1> Anyone here use xpra?
[03:38] <Dr_Willis> !anyone
[03:39] <kyle__> Does any here use !anyone?
[03:39] <Dr_Willis> does anyone ever read the bot posts? ;)
[03:39] <vertago1> My next question is if whoever uses xpra and ubuntu 13.10 was having the server seg fault every time?
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> can anyone here read
[03:40] <sam113101> I can read
[03:41] <kyle__> I never learned how to read
[03:41] <kyle__> </oscar moment>
[03:44] <vertago1> !anyone know how to force apport to watch a pid?
[03:48] <fahadash> I am trying to set up win7 theme installation through a web article, I follow the steps and get "Please use the Gnome classic desktop for the Win7 theme installation."
[03:49] <mae_tae> Dougie187: are you still there?
[03:49] <Crazyzurfer> anybody here has Nvidia video card?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> Crazyzurfer:  lots of people use nvidia
[03:49] <Crazyzurfer> Dr_Willis: do you?
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> !anyone
[03:50] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, Some of those can't be removed I would be careful, you may mess the whole thing up and have to reinstall.
[03:50] <kingbeowolf> is this Gnome or Xfce? http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Orta?content=134123
[03:50] <roxx_> Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to ignore the umask (002) when the user and
[03:50] <fahadash> I am using this: http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/
[03:51] <kyle__> Well holy crap.  Replaced the nevoau/gallium driver for my old nvidia with nvidia-current, and now repeiter-host doesn't crash x.  Woot!
[03:51] <kingbeowolf> roxx_: xubuntu 13.10 actually has a few bugs
[03:51] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: I have ubuntu installed on vm and disk-file is backed up. I use that vm to test add-ons before I install on real box
[03:51] <kingbeowolf> roxx_: not really worth upgrading
[03:51] <xangua> kingbeowolf: it's a gtk2 theme
[03:51] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys im using ubuntu 12.04, i see it says gpg  has a new version 2.0.22 is released but when i use gpg mine is completely outdated like version 1.4.11but im using the default Xubuntu/Ubuntu install, what can i do to update GPG or should I not worry?
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, Cool, good idea.
[03:52] <kingbeowolf> xangua: yeah what about the icons and everything
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  'it says gpg has a new version' -- what is 'it' ?
[03:52] <kingbeowolf> xangua: and the universal menu
[03:52] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, I think that was a gnome 2 mod though
[03:52] <kyle__> Psil0Cybin: I don't know of any security bugs, so if you dont' need a feature from the newer version... I woulnd't worry about it.
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> !latest
[03:53] <kyle__> Do your own search of known seucrity holes of coures.
[03:53] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: I am running 12.0 LTS, what does it mean by "Please use the Gnome classic desktop for the Win7 theme installation." ?
[03:53] <Dr_Willis> !classic
[03:53] <Crazyzurfer> anybody with nvidia card.. In "details" -> Graphics, what does it show to you?
[03:55] <forgpt> Hello
[03:55] <Crazyzurfer> is it normal to have Controller: Intel Ivybridge Mobile and decoration Standart while I've got and Intel HD 4000 and an Nvidia Geforce 650M?
[03:55] <Ben64> Crazyzurfer: what is your actual question
[03:55] <Crazyzurfer> Ben64: that's my question
[03:55] <kyle__> Crazyzurfer: Driver Geforce 8400 (something something)\n Experience standard
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> Dr_Willis: the new version is number " October 2013: new security fix released in 2.0.22 and 1.4.15 to mitigate deeply nested compression packets "
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> within the Gpg channel
[03:56] <Psil0Cybin> kyle__:
[03:56] <Crazyzurfer> kyle__: do you have dual cards?
[03:56] <Dr_Willis> Crazyzurfer:  you mean to say you have an Optmius dual video chipset system>
[03:56] <Crazyzurfer> Dr_Willis: yes I do
[03:56] <fahadash> I don't see any session box at the bottom of my screen at login
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  often  security fixs get backported to older versions. and may eventually get into the ubuntu rele4ase
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> !bumblebee | Crazyzurfer
[03:57] <fahadash> I see "Ubuntu" and "Ubuntu 2D"
[03:57] <kyle__> Crazyzurfer: I've got a single dual head card.  I may get one of those chincey 1x->16x cables and use a second dual head card, if I get bored :)
[03:57] <fahadash> !ubuntu2d
[03:57] <Dr_Willis> hmm no bumblebee factoid
[03:57] <FreezingCold> So going to reinstall a Ubuntu installation, is everything really just in ~/home?
[03:57] <Crazyzurfer> Dr_Willis: I've got bumblebee installed, but it seems that the nvidia card is still not recognized
[03:57] <FreezingCold> It's not my computer, it's the one I gave my parents awhile back
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> so Dr_Willis if you use GPG do you leave it as is? o did you update it or something
[03:57] <Psil0Cybin> i am just confused
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  you install theextra desktop packages and you get differnt sessions
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> cuz the people @ #gnupg tell me mine is out dated
[03:58] <forgpt> I just installed 13.10 for the 8th time and this is happening with the toolbar http://imgur.com/qA7METi. Why is it doing that?
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> Psil0Cybin:  i tend to alwyas use the latest ubuntu release
[03:58] <Psil0Cybin> oh
[03:58] <Crazyzurfer> kyle__: cool
[03:58] <Dr_Willis> forgpt:  reinstalling to fix little problems  is a windows mentality. ;)
[03:59] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Is there any easy way to install extra desktop packages ?
[03:59] <kyle__> Psil0Cybin: Are the people in #gnupg telling you it's insecure?  If they are, then worry about it, if not, just know some of the latest greatest tutorials won't match up with your version.
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> forgpt, Identify the graphic card
[03:59] <wilee-nilee> forgpt, run lspci and share the card with the channel
[03:59] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  everything in the softare center is 'extra'   theres numerus packages that add more desktops to your system. the bot factoid mention what ones are for the classic look. I dont use the gnome classic stuff
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> forgpt:  its not clear from that screenshot what the issue is.. and Uuntu can take desktop screenshots with the printscreen key
[04:01] <forgpt> wilee-nilee, the drivers are installed and it doesn't happen with any of the previous installs
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> kyle__: so that it i can rest assured from security updates
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> i am worried that i can have security flaws
[04:02] <Psil0Cybin> i dont care about new features
[04:03] <Bauer1> How do I install the lib32asound2 under 13.10? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lib32asound2&searchon=names
[04:03] <Ben64> Psil0Cybin: it might take some time, but there should be a security patch for it then
[04:03] <fahadash> Thanks Dr_Willis
[04:03] <Psil0Cybin> alright Ben64 thanks guys for making me rest assured.
[04:05] <Patero-ng> hi I want to know if ubuntu detected my card how to know and also how to know what drivers are loaded for it
[04:05] <mrdeb> Patero-ng: lsmod in terminal
[04:06] <Ben64> Patero-ng: what card
[04:08] <Patero-ng> Ben64: is a wag511 wireless card
[04:08] <Patero-ng> mrdeb: just type lsmod?
[04:11] <Dr_Willis> and hit the enter key.... ;)
[04:12] <Dr_Willis> of course it could be a long list of modules that the sstem is using ;)
[04:13] <Patero-ng> I want to eject my pccard i want to know if it's safe to just remove it or do I have to type come eject command
[04:13] <Patero-ng> I'm on ubuntu server
[04:13] <Dr_Willis> Patero-ng:  pc card? you mean you have a PCMCIA card  with storage on it?
[04:16] <Patero-ng> Dr_Willis: is a pcmcia card that's a wireless network card netgear wag511
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> those should be hot-plugable as far as i rember.
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> not seen one in well.. ages  ;)
[04:16] <wayne__> how do you copy dvds or blu rays with ubuntu
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> wayne__:  clarify what you mean by copy. and what kind of disk? data? video?
[04:17] <fahadash> I got a 404 when tried to install gnome from software manager
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> comercial video disks? ones you made?
[04:17] <fahadash> Here is the error: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/accountsservice/gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0_0.6.15-2ubuntu9.6_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.14 80]
[04:17] <wayne__> Like back ups.
[04:17] <wayne__> of what I own
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> you mean 'comercial video disks'
[04:18] <wbill> wowsers
[04:18] <wayne__> yeah I think
[04:18] <wayne__> Like a anydvd or ubuntu
[04:18] <wayne__> of not or
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> theres dvd riper tools in the repos
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> i tend to just rip to video files
[04:18] <wayne__> acid or something ?
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> used to use k9copy but its not in the repos any mpore
[04:18] <Dr_Willis> !info acidrip
[04:19] <wayne__> does it work
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> I use acidrip to rip dvd videos to video files.....
[04:19] <wayne__> like to mp4 or mkv
[04:19] <Dr_Willis> I tend to use mp4
[04:19] <wayne__> okay thanks!
[04:20] <Dr_Willis> handbreak can also do dvd->video files
[04:21] <Dr_Willis> some of the newer dvd anti-copy features can break those tools sadly.
[04:21] <wayne__> Have you seen www.slysoft.com anydvd is great I want something like that
[04:22] <Dr_Willis> no idea what its features are.. try it in wine if you want.
[04:22] <wayne__> doesnt work done tried
[04:23] <ObrienDave> It probably would work through a VM like VirtialBox
[04:24] <ObrienDave> VirtualBox*
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> theres plenty of alternatives ;) so i dont see why it so special heh.
[04:24] <UserError> what compiler flags / optimization targets are used for Ubuntu's binaries ?
[04:25] <ObrienDave> Dr_Willis... user preferences? ;)
[04:26] <lachesis> something changed in my updates on 3.04, and now my radeon doesn't give sound over hdmi anymore
[04:26] <Dr_Willis> i just wish handbreak had a 'enque all using these settings..' that would save me a few min on each disk ;)
[04:26] <lachesis> i just updated to 13.10, and then mainline linux 3.11.6-031106-generic in the hopes that would help
[04:27] <lachesis> and i have the radeon.audio=1 in my grub - it's showing up in my dmesg
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[04:31] <nixnine> hello
[04:32] <nixnine> Am I connected?
[04:32] <lachesis> nixnine, yeppers
[04:32] <reisio> nixnine: nope, this is my local internet :)
[04:33] <nixnine> cool.  anyone know how to remove an infected file found in chkrootkit?
[04:35] <time1> hello everybody, i am using dolphin file viewer and it is great, how to show file names in short, and how to add send to> Pendrive> right click shortcut to its right click menu
[04:36] <time1> nautilus is slow, buggy and many times not responding on small directories,
[04:36] <time1> we couldn't remove as well
[04:36] <time1> it will uninstall whole ubuntu deskto
[04:36] <time1> hellllllllllo
[04:36] <time1> just ping me, anyone
[04:43] <Patero-ng> When I try to reconnect my wireless card the message that shows is failed to wakeup the mac chip what is going on?
[04:44] <Patero-ng> I think is using ath5k drivers
[04:46] <Patero-ng> I'm using modprobe -r ath5k to remove driver or disable the card and modeprobe ath5k to reenable it am i doing the right thing?
[04:48] <Patero-ng> I'm also unplugging and replugging the card
[04:51] <ObrienDave> nixnine, good question because I also get::: Searching for Suckit rootkit...                             Warning: /sbin/init INFECTED
[04:53] <reisio> ObrienDave: according to what?
[04:53] <ObrienDave> chkrootkit
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> its a false positive there is info on the web
[04:53] <reisio> ObrienDave: those sorts of things always give false posities
[04:53] <reisio> ALWAYS
[04:53] <reisio> and even if they didn't you can't be sure
[04:54] <reisio> the only way to be sure is to checksum the files when you install
[04:54] <reisio> and diff later
[04:54] <reisio> look into AIDE
[04:54] <ObrienDave> ok, will check it that. thanks
[04:54] <ObrienDave> *into
[04:55] <Dr_Willis> gotta love weird false positives
[04:56] <reisio> I've never seen a rootkit finder script not generate MULTIPLE false positives
[04:56] <reisio> it's too little too late, and it would be even if they gave no false positives
[04:57] <Psil0Cybin> hey guys can i trust the program KeePX that is in the ubuntu repos
[04:57] <ObrienDave> trying to tell me i'm being falsely positive? ;))
[04:57] <Psil0Cybin> that is a password storage program
[04:59] <reisio> ObrienDave: heh
[04:59] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: you can probably trust it to do what what it says it does
[05:00] <Psil0Cybin> reisio: so assume it doesnt have backholes or backdoors?
[05:01] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: if it were known to have such things, it wouldn't be in any distro repos
[05:03] <Psil0Cybin> lol yea thanks guess i asked a silly question
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> tatoo your passwords onto the roof of your dogs mouth..
[05:05] <JoeyJoeJo> How can I change my apt-get mirror from the command line? I know I can manually edit sources.list, but I was hoping for a program that lists the current mirrors for me to choose from
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> protected by pomerian 1.0
[05:05] <UserError> Dr_Willis not much writing room
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> JoeyJoeJo:  there  used to be mirror-select. but im not sure if thats in ubuntu any more
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> UserError:  i use the same password formost sites. ;P
[05:06] <UserError> JoeyJoeJo , the mirrors trick picks the fastest
[05:06] <Dr_Willis> UserError:  i tried training the dog to type them in.. but he keeps going to  lolcats
[05:06] <UserError> Should've bought a border collie
[05:06] <ObrienDave> LOL I've used 2 "high level" passwords for almost 30 years. haven't been compromised yet.
[05:07] <reisio> Psil0Cybin: it's a fair question if the awesomeness of free unix package management hasn't sunk in yet :)
[05:08] <ObrienDave> Psil0Cybin... that's the beauty, ALL open source code is just that, OPEN to inspection
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> cool. Just found a tool in the repos - that can auto add boot-this-iso entries to your grub menu for whatever iso files you got in a specific system directory. ;)
[05:08] <Dr_Willis> !info grml-rescueboot
[05:09] <reisio> grml is a nice distro
[05:09] <Psil0Cybin> that is very true ObrienDave
[05:09] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive evern heard of grml . well time to test out the tool. bbl
[05:10] <UserError> Does anyone know the default compiler flags, optimization level and target that ubuntu uses for their 32 and 64 bit repos?
[05:12] <grimeton> i'd say -funroll-loops and --omg-optimized
[05:14] <supergauntlet> http://funroll-loops.info/
[05:14] <lotuspsychje> supergauntlet: this is an ubuntu support channel
[05:15] <UserError> Yeh that's hilarious... until you're on an AMD or ARM machine
[05:15] <supergauntlet> lotuspsychje: grimeton> i'd say -funroll-loops and --omg-optimized
[05:15] <grimeton> --fuck-upstream is default on debian anyway
[05:15] <UserError> I'm asking because on many platforms the difference is 20+%
[05:15] <IdleOne> !language | grimeton
[05:15] <lotuspsychje> supergauntlet: my bad sorry
[05:15] <supergauntlet> I just figured I'd point out what he was referencing
[05:15] <supergauntlet> lotuspsychje: no biggie
[05:16] <supergauntlet> UserError: this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ToolChain/CompilerFlags
[05:17] <grimeton> hm great, upgrading from 13.04 to 13.10 on my mac mini produces a kernel panic on the first boot
[05:17] <reisio> nice
[05:18] <grimeton> na, nice is different
[05:19] <grimeton> and rebooting doesn't look good either
[05:20] <reisio> what's it say?
[05:20] <grimeton> it just hangs
[05:20] <reisio> usually there is useful information before it says 'kernel panic'
[05:20] <supergauntlet> surely it gives some sort of error message/
[05:21] <grimeton> "... on the first boot ...."
[05:21] <grimeton> the 2nd boot worked
[05:22] <UserError> is there a dev channel
[05:22] <lotuspsychje> !dev | UserError
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> UserError: #ubuntu-devel
[05:23] <supergauntlet> Isn't it just #ubuntu-devel?
[05:23] <reisio> UserError: /msg alis list *ubuntu*
[05:23] <UserError> thank you
[05:26] <Bauer> How do I install the lib32asound2 under 13.10? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=lib32asound2&searchon=names
[05:26] <reisio> Bauer: do you really need sound for teamviewer?
[05:27] <Bauer> reisio: no, but I cant install the .deb file
[05:28] <reisio> Bauer: then use the .tar
[05:28] <reisio> I told you multiple times
[05:29] <Bauer> reisio: sorry, I didnt see any answers about this until now
[05:30] <Bauer> do you mean alsa-lib_1.0.25-4ubuntu3.debian.tar.bz2 ?
[05:31] <reisio> no, I mean teamviewer offers more than just a .deb on their site
[05:31] <reisio> they have among other things a tarball
[05:33] <grimeton> the self destructing cookie thing is pretty sweet
[05:34] <reisio> grimeton: ?
[05:34] <grimeton> reisio: it's a firefox add-on - it destroys all cookies the moment you close the tab
[05:34] <roscogruen> kckcpw
[05:34] <roscogruen> oops
[05:35] <roscogruen> tomorrow i'll be helping a guy install some sort of linux.  i was thinking mint or ubuntu.  anyone give me plusses or minuses?
[05:35] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntu | roscogruen
[05:36] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: we reccomend you ubuntu, one of the version sin topic
[05:36] <grimeton> everytime a question like this comes up i'm tempted to suggest buying an snes
[05:37] <tjj> I'm having trouble with telnetting to a nonstandard port. I think iptables is blocking me somehow. "telnet freechess.org 23" works but "telnet freechess.org 5000" gives 'no route to host'
[05:37] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: may i ask this way, do you recommend it for a person completely new to linux and who won't want to figure things out?
[05:37] <grimeton> tjj: no route to host can also mean that the port is just not used on the other end (icmp message makes it through)
[05:37] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: because ubuntu is very intuitive to install
[05:37] <xmetal> hmm i keep forgetting to install ubuntu on that spare partition
[05:37] <tjj> grimeton: It's definitely used on the other end, it's the default port to connect to for that service
[05:38] <grimeton> tjj: hm, so you think it's blocked locally?
[05:38] <xmetal> ubuntu is one i'd recommed for people new to linux (and many others too :) )
[05:38] <tjj> grimeton: I think so
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: and security of your system will be tight
[05:38] <zorbsone> xmetal: virtualbox.org?
[05:38] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: yes, i'll agree there.  the help irc channel is the best i've seen of any linux.  i'll go this way.
[05:38] <grimeton> tjj: check you local output chain of iptables
[05:38] <tjj> grimeton: How do I do that?
[05:38] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: wise choice!
[05:38] <grimeton> tjj: open a root shell and enter iptables -L OUTPUT -vn
[05:39] <grimeton> hmm i wonder if there is an app armor setup for the telnet client!?
[05:39] <tjj> grimeton:     3   180 ACCEPT     tcp  --  *      *       0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0            tcp dpt:5000
[05:39] <tjj> grimeton: That line is from when I tried (and failed) to unblock the port
[05:39] <grimeton> tjj: yeah you need at least create state, what's the output policy and are there other chains involved?
[05:40] <roscogruen> any recommendation on the type or flavor?  want lightweight and no heavy whistles.  i liked lubuntu but it didn't seem faster than the vanilla flavor of ubuntu
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: what is the system you want to install to?
[05:40] <grimeton> tjj: something like iptables -I OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 5000 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
[05:40] <roscogruen> i don't know what he has yet.
[05:40] <tjj> grimeton: I ran that command but get the same no route to host
[05:40] <roscogruen> my computer needs to restart.  bbl.  thank you lotuspsychje
[05:40] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: if its a new laptop/desktop plain ubuntu will do fine
[05:40] <grimeton> tjj: what about a filter on your firewall?
[05:41] <tjj> I'm a total iptables newbie, I honestly don't even know what policies / chains are
[05:41] <grimeton> tjj: when you to a iptables -L OUTPUT -vn the first line in the output holds a policy
[05:41] <grimeton> tjj: something like Chain OUTPUT blabla POLICY
[05:41] <tjj> grimeton: I suppose it's possible, but I can use bittorrent on nonstandard ports. The only other thing that could be blocking me would be my router and I don't think it has any firewall restrictions
[05:42] <tjj> grimeton: iptables -L OUTPUT -vn now shows:     1    60 ACCEPT     tcp  --  *      *       0.0.0.0/0            0.0.0.0/0            tcp dpt:5000 state NEW
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> !info firestarter
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> hmm seems like been removed
[05:42] <grimeton> tjj: hm, you can check for the icmp messages that are returned...
[05:43] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, wasn't FS gnome based gui?  unity ...
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> any gui alternatives for firestarter these days?
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: if there isn't any icmp message coming back it's blocked locally
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: is your network device eth0?
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> cfhowlett: not sure didnt use for a while...
[05:43] <ripthejacker> how to know what type of RAM I have installed?
[05:43] <tjj> grimeton: eth1
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: tcpdump -pqni eth1 icmp
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: run this command and then try to connect in another terminal via telnet
[05:43] <grimeton> tjj: then you get an icmp message - if not it's blocked locally
[05:44] <tjj> grimeton: 00:44:02.138769 IP 10.8.0.1 > 192.168.1.3: ICMP host 69.36.243.188 unreachable - admin prohibited filter, length 36
[05:44] <tjj> 192.168.1.3 is my local ip
[05:44] <grimeton> tjj: so there is a filter ...
[05:44] <grimeton> tjj: either by 10.8.0.1 intercepting or by 69.36.243.188
[05:44] <tjj> grimeton: A local filter on my box or a filter at some other point in the network?
[05:45] <grimeton> tjj: some other point in the network
[05:45] <tjj> hmmm
[05:45] <grimeton> if it is locally you wouldn't see an icmp message from the network
[05:46] <ripthejacker> how to check If I am using DDR1 or DDR2 RAM?
[05:46] <grimeton> ripthejacker: open the box and check the hardware
[05:47] <Bauer> thanks reisio, wasnt able to make their tar.gz work via ssh, will try again when I get home
[05:47] <ripthejacker> grimeton: Isn't there any way I can check without opening?
[05:47] <DoYouKnow> hi. I tried a day or two ago to connect to a CentOS box using a different graphics card and stream OpenGL apps over ssh
[05:47] <grimeton> ripthejacker: dmidecode would be another way
[05:47] <ripthejacker> I tried to use dmidecode, but it shows type as unknown
[05:47] <DoYouKnow> how mcuh bandwidth does this require and is it possible?
[05:48] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: real time video with opengl requires gigabits network at least
[05:48] <Bauer> but what if I want to do a normal install? and fix the missing lib? why not fix it reisio? which package can I install for that lib32asound2 on Saucy?
[05:48] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: and i don't think that would be enough
[05:48] <grimeton> ripthejacker: then you're pretty much lost i guess
[05:49] <ripthejacker> grimeton: Ok thanks
[05:49] <Bauer> or is it a good idea to issue dpk --force on the teamviewer .deb file?
[05:49] <grimeton> ripthejacker: did you run dmidecode --type 17 ?
[05:49] <Bauer> to force the issue
[05:49] <grimeton> Bauer: no
[05:49] <ripthejacker> grimeton: yes
[05:49] <grimeton> Bauer: --force isn't a solution, it's always a problem
[05:49] <ripthejacker> grimeton: also dmidecode --type memory
[05:49] <grimeton> ripthejacker: that's not nice
[05:49] <DoYouKnow> grimeton, how is it usually done?
[05:50] <ripthejacker> grimeton: why?
[05:50] <DoYouKnow> grimeton, I am referring to using ssh -X
[05:50] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: what? transfering real time video with opengl? bad idea imho
[05:50] <grimeton> ripthejacker: because that somehow means that your bios doesn't know what's going on
[05:50] <DoYouKnow> how do I view an OpenGL app remotely grimeton ?
[05:50] <grimeton> DoYouKnow: don't think that's possible - imho
[05:50] <grimeton> same goes for memory overlays in X
[05:51] <ripthejacker> grimeton: so it means , the pc has a low quality motherboard?
[05:51] <grimeton> ripthejacker: don't know, but at least it means the bios is not able to provide the memory type
[05:51] <reisio> Bauer: I doubt you'd have a problem with force, it would of course be a kludge :)
[05:52] <Bauer> reisio: like you said, I dont need audio :P as long as it wont break the system or something?
[05:53] <grimeton> Bauer: isn't there a tar ball that one can install to /opt or something?
[05:53] <Ben64> Bauer: what are you trying to accomplish
[05:53] <Bauer> Ben64: trying to re-install teamviewer after the succesful upgrade to Saucy
[05:54] <Ben64> Bauer: well did you fix all your apt problems first
[05:54] <Bauer> grimeton: the tarball does not seem to work propely via ssh, perhaps it will work when I am logged in X and run it...
[05:54] <Bauer> yes Ben64, no broken dependencies anymore :) but now teamviewer .deb file requires lib32asound2 in order to install
[05:55] <grimeton> Bauer: hmm
[05:55] <roscogruen>   could someone give me a means to determine whether i've a 32 or 64bit box?
[05:55] <Ben64> Bauer: why even use teamviewer? vnc works better
[05:55] <grimeton> roscogruen: uname -a
[05:55] <Ben64> roscogruen: "uname -m" will tell you what the os currently is, not what your hardware is
[05:56] <Bauer> Ben64: I find teamviewer much simpler to use for other people, and especially when having two screens.. I tried setting up VNC to work, and it was pain.. I didnt get it to work properly and simply
[05:56] <Ben64> Bauer: and you've been trying to get teamviewer to work for at least a day :)
[05:56] <Bauer> it requires to define the screens with :0, :1 etc... didnt work for me
[05:57] <Bauer> Ben64: it worked perfectly on 13.04 :P
[05:57] <grimeton> Bauer: you got a x64 box there?
[05:57] <Bauer> yes grimeton
[05:57] <roscogruen> does "x86_64 tell me 64bit is the version i want?
[05:57] <Ben64> anyway, that library you want is in the repositories, don't install via thz
[05:57] <Ben64> tgz*
[05:57] <reisio> roscogruen: where?
[05:57] <Ben64> roscogruen: if thats what the command returned that means you're running 64 bit right now
[05:57] <Bauer> Ben64: do you refer to the lib32asound2?
[05:57] <Ben64> Bauer: yes
[05:57] <roscogruen> okay
[05:58] <Bauer> Ben64: I tried, but it says Package lib32asound2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. aaand in the end it says: E: Package 'lib32asound2' has no installation candidate
[05:58] <roscogruen> is there a simple command to or way to blank and burn this iso to a usb stick to use an install device?
[05:59] <chris11> hey, I just ran ls and got a file in red text, what exactly does that mean?
[05:59] <marek_> re
[05:59] <grimeton> Bauer: gimme 5 minutes
[05:59] <Ben64> chris11: its red. we'll need more info from you to be sure
[06:00] <Ben64> Bauer: try libasound2:i386
[06:00] <ripthejacker> grimeton: I gotit, I just checked for the motherboard info and looked online for the details.
[06:00] <lapion> I do not know if this is a problem in the ubuntu installer as well, but It cannot seem to make a btrfs volume.
[06:00] <lapion> in the ubuntu-gnome
[06:01] <Bauer> Ben64: libasound2:i386 is already the newest version. and: libasound2:i386 set to manually installed.
[06:01] <grimeton> Bauer: got it
[06:01] <chris11> It's ubuntu 12.10 server edition, I tried to get a file via ftp and it hun on Opening binary Connection. When I then ran ls, that file that I tried to get is in red. I'm guessing the space is resevered, but it isn't valid?
[06:01] <grimeton> Bauer: fix your dependency problems and remove teamviewer, tell me when you're done
[06:01] <rrm> anyone has an idea when next lts comes out
[06:02] <Bauer> grimeton: done - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[06:02] <k1l> rrm: !trusty
[06:02] <grimeton> Bauer: now enable multiarch: dpkg --add-architecture i386
[06:02] <grimeton> Bauer: then run apt-get update
[06:02] <k1l> !trusty | rrm
[06:02] <cfhowlett> !trusty
[06:02] <cfhowlett> rrm, April 2014
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: got that?
[06:03] <Ben64> chris11: pastebin "ls -l /the/file"
[06:03] <Bauer> yes grimeton
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: download the 32bit / multiarch debian package: http://download.teamviewer.com/download/teamviewer_linux.deb
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: then install it and see errors: dpkg --install teamviewer_linux.deb
[06:03] <rrm> cfhowlett, thank you, hope the unity will be a bit more fluid then in this current lts
[06:03] <grimeton> Bauer: then run apt-get -f install and see all necessary libs installed including teamviewer
[06:04] <Ben64> chris11: and if you're on 12.10, you'd better hurry up and upgrade, you got 2 upgrades to do before February
[06:04] <crocket> I hate text entry.
[06:04] <crocket> It doesn't accept "Hangul" key as a shortcut for switching to the next input source.
[06:04] <cfhowlett> rrm, consider the lxde/kde/xfce4 options: lubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu
[06:04] <reisio> crocket: you must like inefficiency, then :)
[06:04] <reisio> oh you hate that it is malfunctioning :)
[06:05] <chris11> Ben64: -rw-rw-r-- 1 chrism chrism 596907592 Oct 24 05:55 ghcnd_all.tar.gz
[06:05] <crocket> reisio, ibus is much better than "Text Entry" that replaced ibus.
[06:05] <reisio> so use ibus
[06:05] <Bauer> works!!! thanks grimeton :)))
[06:06] <grimeton> Bauer: you're welcome
[06:06] <Bauer> grimeton: should I now remove the architecture in the same way?
[06:06] <rrm> cfhowlett, i did, might try xubuntu, lubuntu is just too minimal
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | grimeton
[06:06] <crocket> reisio, Ubuntu 13.10 prevents ibus from appearing on the unity panel.
[06:06] <Ben64> chris11: probably the file type
[06:06] <grimeton> Bauer: no, never remove i386 from the arch list
[06:06] <cfhowlett> rrm, xubuntu is the foundation of Ubuntustudio FYI
[06:06] <grimeton> Bauer: the lib32 stuff will vanish and multi arch will become the way to go
[06:06] <reisio> crocket: that's only a problem if you need Ubuntu 13.10
[06:06] <roscogruen> is there a set of instructions to get iso burned on to a usb stick so it is an install stick?  mint has a one line command
[06:06] <crocket> reisio, It's obviously a bug or done on purpose.
[06:07] <Bauer> grimeton: wont that cause conflicts in installing other packages? wont it begin installing 32 bit packages instead?
[06:07] <grimeton> Bauer: if you remove i386 from the arch list you break your dpkg database, so bad idea
[06:07] <grimeton> Bauer: it only installs 32bit packages if you ask it to by adding :i386 at the end of the package name
[06:07] <grimeton> Bauer: i386 is a foreign arch, so it's not used for your system
[06:08] <grimeton> Bauer: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
[06:08] <chris11> oh, thanks  Ben64. I thought the coloring signifyied some error message.
[06:08] <Bauer> awsesome, thanks for explanation :)
[06:09] <grimeton> Bauer: you're welcome
[06:09] <reisio> crocket: probably just a bug
[06:09] <reisio> crocket: it might even be listed as one already
[06:09] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: are you still there?
[06:09] <crocket> reisio, It was added as a bug years ago
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> who know the usbinstaller trigger for roscogruen ?
[06:09] <crocket> Now the bug is universal in 13.10
[06:10] <roscogruen> thank you lotuspsychje
[06:10] <reisio> crocket: if it's changed, that's more than one bug then
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> keep forgetting that trigger
[06:10] <reisio> what, !usb ?
[06:10] <crocket> reisio, The bug was fixed in 13.04 and reappears in 13.10
[06:11] <crocket> What a unity
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !usb
[06:11] <urterror> can anyone here tell me what command I can use to view real time statistics or data being moved up and down from my nic
[06:11] <reisio> luckily it's all open source
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> right :p
[06:11] <reisio> urterror: ntop?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> reisio: tnx
[06:11] <chris11> any reason ftp get file would hang on Opening BINARY mode data conection? I'm already in passive mode. Is it probably a firewall issue on my end?
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: read that usb url
[06:11] <crocket> reisio, Unfortunately, I'm not capable.
[06:11] <reisio> lotuspsychje: if you /query ubottu you can test all the strings you like without spamming the channel :)
[06:12] <reisio> crocket: get capbale :)
[06:12] <roscogruen> ubottu: thank you.  i am there.  and lotuspsychje TY
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> reisio: yes i know that, just forget wich triggername it was
[06:12] <jnhghy> roscogruen: don't talk to the bot ...
[06:12] <urterror> reisio: will try
[06:13] <reisio> lotuspsychje: ginkgo
[06:13] <grimeton> urterror: iptraf
[06:13] <urterror> reisio: are you sure thats the right name of the probram
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> !info capbale | urterror
[06:13] <reisio> urterror: of the package?
[06:13] <reisio> urterror: 'ntop'
[06:14] <reisio> 'get capbale' is was not to you
[06:14] <reisio> and was a typo for 'get capable'
[06:14] <reisio> 'cause this keyboard is awful
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:14] <grimeton> urterror: in the console use iptraf-ng
[06:14] <grimeton> urterror: for a bit colored nice-looky use darkstat
[06:18] <urterror> grimeton: it says resource or device busy when I sudo darkstat -i wlan0
[06:19] <grimeton> urterror: darkstat is a daemon providing a web interface
[06:19] <urterror> I editated /etc/darkstat config file
[06:19] <grimeton> urterror: you have to configure it and then start the daemon
[06:19] <urterror> I'm on ubuntu server
[06:20] <grimeton> urterror: did you restart the service after you modified the config?
[06:20] <urterror> grimeton: it wouldn't even load
[06:20] <urterror> grimeton: it will say device is busy
[06:20] <grimeton> urterror: huh?
[06:20] <grimeton> urterror: ps auxw | grep -i darkstat
[06:21] <roscogruen> i am curious of something.  i don't see an indication of moderators.  is this so?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: mods grant status when needed
[06:22] <grimeton> roscogruen: figure it out ;)
[06:22] <urterror> grimeton: it gives me a line
[06:22] <grimeton> urterror: is there a darkstat running?
[06:22] <lotuspsychje> roscogruen: do you need an op?
[06:22] <urterror> grimeton: there is a line saying darkstat
[06:22] <limpc> hi guys.
[06:22] <grimeton> urterror: that's not enough info
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> limpc: welcome mate, what can we do for you?
[06:23] <zorbsone> limpc: hello
[06:23] <urterror> grimeton: the line is mentioning my username
[06:23] <limpc> trying to install ubuntu 13.10 as a dual boot alongside my win7 partition.  but during ubuntu install, it doesnt recognize my win7 partition (win7 is a fresh install as well, boots fine).  googling around suggested I check gparted, which detects the partitions s invalid gpt tables.
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: is it also mentioning grep?
[06:24] <limpc> I tried the suggested fix (chkdsk /f on windows boot) but that did not fix the problem
[06:24] <Ben64> limpc: windows does weird stuff with gpt
[06:24] <urterror> grimeton: it says grep -i darkstat
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: then darkstat isn't running
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: but i wonder which device is busy
[06:24] <limpc> Ben64: yeah i noticed.  do you know how to get around this problem?
[06:24] <grimeton> urterror: can you pastebin your config somewhere? like pastebin.com ?
[06:25] <urterror> grimeton: I don't have a web broswer here
[06:25] <Ben64> limpc: either don't use gpt, or partition using gparted before installing windows
[06:25] <lotuspsychje> limpc: a great choice would be loose windows once and for good
[06:25] <urterror> grimeton: I have either eth0 or wlan0 and none of those are mentioned
[06:25] <Ben64> lotuspsychje: lose*
[06:25] <roscogruen> lotuspsychje: i don't need an op.  just curious and noticing how more smoothly things are running compared to four years ago
[06:25] <limpc> lotuspsychje: i run linux for my primary systems. but this is a work laptop and they have software that can only run on windows. so i need it to dual boot.
[06:26] <limpc> Ben64: is there no way to fix the current windows partition without losing it? it has some licensed software on it that would be very difficult to reinstall
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> limpc: what kind of software is it, if i may know?
[06:26] <grimeton> limpc: run linux or windows in a vm
[06:26] <limpc> lotuspsychje: its analytic software by Logi
[06:27] <limpc> its a pain because it has IIS/SQL Server integration
[06:27] <Ben64> limpc: backup?
[06:27] <limpc> so theres absolutely no way to save the partition?
[06:28] <grimeton> limpc: sure, just install ubuntu around it
[06:28] <grimeton> limpc: in the free area behind winodow
[06:28] <lotuspsychje> limpc: did you choose install along windows during setup, or did setup not see the win partition?
[06:28] <Ben64> limpc: i haven't seen a way yet
[06:28] <limpc> setup is not seeing the win partition. it displays a single, unused 1tb drive
[06:29] <limpc> the win partition is about 600gb
[06:29] <Ari-Yang> how come when I attempt to split a file into .rar parts it doesn't complete?
[06:29] <grimeton> limpc: that's weird, the partition should be visible in the partition table
[06:29] <Ben64> grimeton: windows' gpt doesn't jive with linux
[06:29] <fahadash> I have a baseline ubuntu install, hardly installed anything on it and its eating up all my 5GB harddrive space why ?
[06:29] <grimeton> urterror: then do the following: cat /etc/darkstat/init.cfg | curl -F 'sprunge-<=' http://sprunge.us and give me the url
[06:29] <Ari-Yang> I'm using compress (and tried running file-roller in terminal), and I just can't get a file to split. running on ubuntu 12.10
[06:30] <grimeton> Ben64: there is a partition table and the windows partition is in this partition table - and linux should see the partition independent of what is inside it
[06:30] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: you've got about 3 months to upgrade to 13.10 or lose support
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: 5 gig is a bit low for an ubuntu install
[06:30] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: that doesn't answer my question, thanks
[06:30] <grimeton> urterror: eeer cat /etc/darkstat/init.cfg | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us
[06:31] <fahadash> lotuspsychje: Whats the minimum space requirement for ubuntu ?
[06:31] <limpc> grimeton: it detects that the partition is there, but complains that its gpt table is corrupted.
[06:31] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: ok, the answer to your question is read the man pages
[06:31] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: afaik ubuntu 12.10 will be supported 'til April 2014 or something
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: did you install 'rar'
[06:31] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: aye, I did
[06:31] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: I have thanks
[06:31] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: but 13.04's support ends january
[06:31] <malinus> Ben64, what about 13.10?
[06:31] <grimeton> limpc: eww, but you're sure that the part table is fine? what part table does it detect? the gpt one or the older one?
[06:31] <Ben64> malinator: july
[06:31] <limpc> grimeton: yes, it can boot into windows just fine.
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[06:32] <Ben64> grimeton: again, windows' gpt does not work with linux
[06:32] <ObrienDave> malinus... 9 months is the new life cycle for non-LTSs
[06:32] <grimeton> limpc: but it's still weird ...
[06:33] <limpc> grimeton: theres only 1 partition on it, the windows partition, and a chunk of unallocated space.  it detects the windows partition as an invalid GPT
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows the trigger for that system requierment?
[06:33] <grimeton> limpc: does it say that the partition it self is invalid or that the partition table is invalid?
[06:33] <urterror> grimeton: ok will do
[06:33] <Ari-Yang> [02:31:24] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: but 13.04's support ends january ---> I suggest you check yourself before telling people to upgrade: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[06:34] <fahadash> What are the places to clean up the files from to get some disk space freed ?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: how about that 7zip package might help you?
[06:34] <limpc> grimeton: "/dev/sda contains GPT signatures, indicating that it has a GPT table.  However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. "
[06:34] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: that says 13.04's support ends january, so i'm right, thanks!
[06:34] <fahadash> Is there any application to do disk cleanup ?
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: firefox cache might clean alot!
[06:34] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: I wasn't referring to that, I'm referring to 12.10, don't run away from your error
[06:34] <grimeton> limpc: that doesn't mean that it is broken - it's just missing the space at the beginning that holds a fake partition table for older systems
[06:34] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: ubuntu-tweak can clean alot of old stuff aswell
[06:34] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: wasn't aware that 7zip is available for ubuntu, I'll look into it, thanks
[06:34] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: its not an error, upgrading to something thats EOL will not be a happy experience
[06:34] <ObrienDave> 12.10 is on the old cycle, 18 months
[06:34] <limpc> grimeton: yeah. its also stopping ubuntu 13.10 from seeing the windows partition or being able to install around it.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: not sure whats it called again
[06:35] <fahadash> How do I remove compiz ?
[06:35] <fahadash> compiz might be eating space
[06:35] <urterror> grimeton: I deleted the init.cfg file how do I recreate it
[06:35] <gdrg>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFXlX2hAw2o ROFL
[06:35] <grimeton> urterror: uargh, dpkg --purge darkstat and then reinstall it
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> !info p7zip | Ari-Yang
[06:36] <Ben64> gdrg: don't spam here
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: you don't know my plans and whether I'm going to upgrade or not
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: thanks, I'll look into it
[06:36] <malinus> when I'm sshing into my mediaserver I get the "7 packages can be updated. \n 7 updates are security updates." . When I then run upgrade, I get "The following packages have been kept back: linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic \n 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.". Any ideas?
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: i would not reccomend uninstalling compiz
[06:36] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: i'm letting you know before you get into a position where you can't upgrade
[06:36] <grimeton> limpc: an fdisk -l /dev/sda and an gdisk -l /dev/sda would be very helpful at the moment
[06:36] <fahadash> lotuspsychje: Can I keep compiz and ubuntu-tweak both ?
[06:36] <grimeton> limpc: to see what's going on
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: if you want ubuntu on low space hd, install lubuntu
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: there are other ways of upgrading other than using software-updater~
[06:36] <Ari-Yang> ^__^
[06:37] <cfhowlett> malinus, relax.  just means some packages have been upgraded yet.  Once ready, those downloads will drop
[06:37] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: not if you want to come here for support
[06:37] <malinus> cfhowlett, why are they held back though?
[06:37] <fahadash> Where are temp files stored when software manager downloads the stuff ?
[06:37] <cfhowlett> malinator, there are THOUSANDS of packages to update.
[06:38] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: your response to what I just said doesn't make any sense .__. You're just going around in a circle, done having this discussion with you~
[06:38] <malinus> cfhowlett, yeah?
[06:38] <limpc> grimeton: what info do you want from fdisk -l?
[06:38] <grimeton> limpc: the complete output
[06:38] <limpc> im on a livecd boot so i dont have gdisk
[06:38] <malinus> cfhowlett, Iø
[06:38] <malinus> cfhowlett, *I'm really not following you here
[06:38] <grimeton> limpc: can't you install it?
[06:38] <Ben64> Ari-Yang: don't complain here when you can't upgrade then
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: ubuntu has a default 'disk usage' icon to findout
[06:38] <cfhowlett> malinus when ALL are ready, you get the goods.  Otherwise your system might break.  So they're temporarily held.  I just had that last week with new kernels.  This week, they loaded.
[06:38] <fahadash> what would be the apt-get command to uninstall skype ?
[06:38] <cfhowlett> fahadash, sudo apt-get purge skype
[06:39] <lotuspsychje> fahadash:  are you actually gonna try all you ask?
[06:39] <Ari-Yang> Ben64: >assuming I can't upgrade
[06:39] <fahadash> Yes
[06:39] <limpc> grimeton: pastebin.com/ShF2z0KA
[06:39] <malinus> how would I check, which additional repositores I haved added (with the apt-get-add)
[06:39] <cfhowlett> malinus thousands of lines of code, thousands of verifications to be done and MOSTLY by volunteers ...
[06:39] <fahadash> Doing it as I get answers
[06:40] <malinus> cfhowlett, okay, I'm with ya. thanks.
[06:40] <cfhowlett> malinus, best of luck
[06:40] <grimeton> limpc: this is a weird output
[06:40] <fahadash> It says / is taking 3.7 GB  of space, but disk shows only 198 MB free. Total Disk is 5 GB
[06:40] <limpc> grimeton: gdisk says "found invalid mbr and gpt."
[06:41] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: so with pzip, I should be able to make RAR files, yes?
[06:41] <grimeton> limpc: yeah, because the first partition should be with id EE
[06:41] <fahadash> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu is taking 226 MB, Do I need it ?
[06:41] <grimeton> limpc: that's the weird thing
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> Ari-Yang: that p7zip can do alot of stuff
[06:42] <Ben64> fahadash: don't go around deleting random stuff, you're going to break your system
[06:42] <fahadash> :(
[06:42] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: just apt-cache search p7zip and noticed p7zip-rar - non-free rar module for p7zip - hope that doesn't mean I can't make RAR files for free :S
[06:42] <fahadash> What would be the apt-get command to uninstall libreoffice ?
[06:42] <Ari-Yang> fahadash: sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[06:42] <Ben64> fahadash: search for it in the software center and remove it there
[06:42] <ObrienDave> Ari-Yang... non-free means the code is not FOSS
[06:43] <limpc> grimeton: EE?
[06:43] <Ari-Yang> ObrienDave: oh, I see
[06:43] <grimeton> limpc: yeah, GPT protective partition
[06:44] <fahadash> Uninstall failed: Error in function:
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> limpc: how about backing up your win software and install ubuntu on full hd, then virtualbox your win software
[06:44] <fahadash> Libreoffice Math uninstall output (failed) http://pastebin.com/m8KQX33q
[06:45] <ObrienDave> fahadash... sudo ap-get purge liberoffice
[06:45] <ObrienDave> *apt-get
[06:45] <limpc> lotuspsychje: im not running iis/sql server enterprise on vbox
[06:45] <ObrienDave> fahadash... sudo apt-get purge libreoffice
[06:45] <ObrienDave> dang typos
[06:45] <urterror> grimeton: http://sprunge.us/cyyi
[06:45] <urterror> can you read info on there
[06:45] <grimeton> urterror: that url isn't valid
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> limpc: wine and playonlinux might help you
[06:46] <killer> hey , is there a way I can rollback ubuntu to a particular time
[06:47] <limpc> grimeton: "On MBR disks, type 0x27. On GPT disks, GUID: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC. A hidden version of a Windows RE type 0x7 partition with NTFS."
[06:47] <limpc> these partitions are both 0x7
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> killer: you can make backups with dejadup
[06:47] <grimeton> limpc: hm, strange
[06:47] <urterror> grimeton: that's the output
[06:47] <ObrienDave> killer... not like Windows system restore, no
[06:47] <grimeton> urterror: sprunge.us can't find the paste under cyyi - sure there isn't any kind of typo?
[06:48] <killer> actually I was chrooting in ubuntu image , but eventually soething crazy happened and my mouse of the current installation stopped working
[06:52] <Ari-Yang> lotuspsychje: do I have to re-install archive manager/file-roller to be able to make RAR files after installing p7zip?
[06:52] <fahadash> Now I got some space freed up to install gnome
[06:53] <reisio> Ari-Yang: file-roller probably assumes unrar for that
[06:53] <Ari-Yang> I installed p7zip, p7zip-rar, and p7zip-full
[06:53] <fahadash> But installing through Software Center gives me this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/364874/cannot-install-gnome-on-ubuntu-12-4-lts-getting-404-on-a-deb-package
[06:53] <reisio> p7zip-rar probably only helps p7zip with rar
[06:53] <reisio> Ari-Yang: but no, either way if file-roller can find the unrar executable it wants, you won't have to re-install it
[06:54] <Ari-Yang> reisio: well I still can't split this file into multiple RAR parts :s
[06:54] <foofoobar> Hi. Ubuntu 12.04, 3.8kernel, atheros wireless driver. I have this problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/285234/cannot-connect-to-wpa2-wpa-enterprise-peap-and-mschap except that after some minutes I am able to connect, but it needs a lot of connection tries
[06:54] <foofoobar> There is no such line like "system-ca-certs=true" like it is suggested in the solution
[06:54] <foofoobar> any ideas what I can do ?
[06:54] <reisio> Ari-Yang: sounds like something not worth doing anyways
[06:55] <reisio> Ari-Yang: other archive formats can be split, they can compress more, and do it more efficiently and at less cost
[06:55] <Ben64> Ari-Yang:        -v<size>[k|b|f]
[06:55] <jack01111> how do i use ubuntu to burn iso for windows 7 usb stick (uefi bootable)
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !usb | jack01111
[06:55] <fahadash> What would be the package name for apt-ing ubuntu-tweak ?
[06:56] <Ben64> jack01111: eh, that sounds more like a ##windows question
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: you need to add a ppa from their website, want url?
[06:56] <Ben64> !ubuntutweak | fahadash
[06:56] <reisio> jack01111: http://serverfault.com/questions/6714/how-to-make-windows-7-usb-flash-install-media-from-linux#answer-167060
[06:57] <roscogruen> using unetbootin to create a usb startup disk.  it doesn't recognize the stick i've in it and suggests reformatting.  i'm lost.
[06:57] <k1l> fahadash: ubuntu-tweak is a 3rd party.
[06:57] <fahadash> I just need ubuntu-tweak to help me manage the hard drive space.. Any other tool recommendation ?
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> well i never had any issue with ubunt-tweak
[06:57] <ObrienDave> roscogruen... so, reformat the stick. easy peasy
[06:57] <Ben64> fahadash: you don't need it for that. you need more hard drive space really
[06:58] <reisio> roscogruen: do you have another stick you can try?
[06:58] <k1l> fahadash: what? there are alot of better ways to handle that than the ubuntu-tweak stuff
[06:58] <roscogruen> shouldn't i get something when i type, "fdisk -l" in terminal?
[06:58] <urterror> grimeton: I'm sure there is no type
[06:58] <urterror> typo
[06:58] <reisio> roscogruen: sudo
[06:58] <roscogruen> oh
[06:58] <reisio> you should get something, but on some systems you will get nothing at all, because those systems are silly
[06:58] <fahadash> The reason I moved away from windows was that windows was a hog who never had enough hard drive space and memory and processing power...
[06:58] <reisio> it should spit out an error if it requires root, it shouldn't just return nothing
[06:58] <urterror> grimeton: try yiov now
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> fahadash: 5gig is really low for ubuntu, go for lubuntu
[06:59] <k1l> fahadash: what do you actually want to do?
[06:59] <urterror> grimeton: that's the url cat gives me
[06:59] <ObrienDave> dang, new kernel. brb
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> k1l: he's uninstalling packages to free space from hi 5gig hd
[07:00] <Ben64> urterror: case does matter
[07:00] <fahadash> k1l: I am just running a baseline ubuntu on a VM to try out stuff... Have not installed anything yet but it is taking 4.5 gigs already
[07:00] <k1l> lotuspsychje: ah
[07:00] <reisio> fahadash: that's at least 66% less than Windows 7
[07:00] <urterror> Ben64: lol what? is a url
[07:00] <reisio> so no need to bring that up again
[07:00] <fahadash> I am sure Baseline Windows7 would need less than 5 GB, why not ubuntu then ?
[07:00] <reisio> fahadash: nope, it needs around 15GB
[07:00] <Ben64> urterror: so?
[07:00] <reisio> but won't actually install unless it sees 20
[07:00] <urterror> Ben64: the browser won't care
[07:00] <k1l> fahadash: if you want a really small system install the minimal install and then just install that packages you need. but that is recommended to advanced users
[07:01] <roscogruen> what is url to post a screenshot?
[07:01] <Ben64> urterror: it does in fact, care
[07:01] <reisio> roscogruen: http://imgur.com/
[07:01] <urterror> Ben64: then it's YIOV
[07:01] <haider254> Hi! I've got a perplexing issue and could use some help! I used to have external media mounted to my home directory, apparently the mount was poorly configured and none of the data went into the external hdd. Now I have gigs worth of material hogging up my internal HDD but I can't find it! Can anyone lend me hand?
[07:01] <k1l> fahadash: you dont get windows with that less disk space reauirements
[07:01] <urterror> Ben64: I'm sure it doesn't matter
[07:01] <Ben64> urterror: well you're wrong
[07:01] <urterror> Ben64: like an email address
[07:01] <Ben64> no, its not. you're wrong. case matters.
[07:02] <reisio> haider254: baobab
[07:02] <grimeton> urterror: doesn't work either
[07:02] <Ben64> grimeton: yeah it does
[07:03] <grimeton> Ben64: gimme an url
[07:03] <Ben64> http://sprunge.us/YIOV
[07:03] <urterror> grimeton: I'm not doing anything wrong I dont't think... when I type the command wrong it doesn't give me a url
[07:03] <roscogruen> reisio: do i need to register w/ that site?
[07:03] <haider254> reisio: looks interesting, however I only have a command line connection to the problem pc atm...
[07:03] <grimeton> Ben64: aaah, upper case
[07:03] <Ben64> grimeton: see, case does matter
[07:03] <reisio> roscogruen: not last I checked, no
[07:04] <grimeton> urterror: uncomment the lines with DIR and PORT
[07:04] <grimeton> urterror: then restart darkstat
[07:04] <grimeton> Ben64: don't tell me
[07:04] <reisio> haider254: find / -size +1G -exec du -hs {} \; | sort -h
[07:04] <roscogruen> i posted it several times.  how do i get url for it?
[07:04] <haider254> reisio: will give it a go
[07:05] <reisio> haider254: or try ncdu
[07:05] <urterror> grimeton: by restart darkstat you mean run sudo darkstat -i wlan0?
[07:05] <crocket> yo
[07:06] <grimeton> urterror: sudo service darkstat restart
[07:06] <haider254> reisio: running the command now, will look into ncdu. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
[07:08] <killer> Ubuntu is working normal except mouse stopped working suddenly when i broke something while chrooting in another systemm
[07:08] <urterror> grimeton: same error it says getaddrinfo null 667 failed name or service not known: device or resource busy
[07:08] <urterror> I think I'll call it over
[07:09] <grimeton> urterror: is there something running on port 666?
[07:10] <urterror> grimeton: I dontknow
[07:10] <grimeton> urterror: sounds like there is... netstat -anp | grep -i 666
[07:10] <ObrienDave> killer... unplug and plug back in. happens to me all of the time
[07:11] <killer> ObrienDave: oops I did n't explained it correctly , it's a laptop nd mouse touchpad is n't working
[07:12] <urterror> grimeton: I have 6667 which is irssi
[07:12] <urterror> grimeton: not 666 or 666
[07:13] <urterror> 667*
[07:13] <grimeton> urterror: hm, did you change it to 667?
[07:13] <roscogruen> i doubt it gives me the url to the screenshot.  on a desktop w/ several usb drives, only one stick in now, is sdb the likely location?
[07:13] <grimeton> that's really weird
[07:14] <urterror> grimeton: no I haven't change anything there
[07:14] <grimeton> urterror: i don't understand what is busy there
[07:15] <urterror> grimeton: maybe this driver is not loaded right I had my device went to sleep earlier i had to modprobe -r it and then reconnect it
[07:15] <urterror> grimeton: actually I ahd to reestart
[07:16] <ObrienDave> killer... umm, that explanation would have helped. LOL
[07:16] <grimeton> urterror: hm, try again when the device is up and running
[07:16] <roscogruen> it also locks up firefox.  had to restart it.
[07:17] <ObrienDave> killer... PS there is NO such thing as a mouse touchpad
[07:17] <roscogruen> could i do this in terminal:  sudo dd if=~/Desktop/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb oflag=direct  bs=1048576
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> a touch mousepad ;)
[07:18] <ObrienDave> PFFFFFT
[07:18] <roscogruen> to blank the usb stick?
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  why are you using that bs argument?
[07:18] <roscogruen> mouse touchpad!  LOL
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive e er us
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> ed the o
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> cant say ive ever used the oflag option with dd either
[07:19] <urterror> roscogruen: I usually say touchmouse
[07:19] <urterror> or mousetouch
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> those Lenvo machines have a little red nipple dont they still? ;) is it a Mouse-Nipple?
[07:19] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis: no idea.  i copied it.  i might guess it tells it where to stop
[07:19] <ObrienDave> LMAO
[07:19] <reisio> 'trackpoint'
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  you just want to image the iso to the usb? bs tells the size of block to use. not where to stop.
[07:20] <reisio> the thinkpads do, lenovo has many that aren't thinkpads
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdb  bs=4M
[07:20] <reisio> the keyboard-only addons for the tablets have an optical alternative that isn't the same thing
[07:21] <roscogruen> i want to make a new usb install or startup or live stick to help friend install linux.
[07:21] <roscogruen> unetbootin is a dead end for me so far
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  the command i gave can do that.
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  the pendrivelinux site has numerous alternatives to unetbootin
[07:21] <urterror> roscogruen: use lili
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> ive had issues with lili in the past. ;)  beyond its extreme weird-gui-ness ;)
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> dd should work in most cases. - However - i have seen problem machines that just dont want to boot from a live-usb no matter what i did..   had to use a dvd on it
[07:22] <reisio> beyond that there isn't actually a guarantee that any of the following will for sure allow you to boot from usb: the bios/etc., the usb stick hardware
[07:22] <urterror> Dr_Willis: I was making a usb live ubuntu yesterday and my father closed lili thinking it was a spam window
[07:22] <roscogruen> i don't want alternatives but it done
[07:22] <urterror> I got so mad
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> urterror:  yep - its one of the worst GUI;s ive ever seen
[07:23] <fahadash> Is the next LTS really coming on April 2014 ?
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  every 2  years is the schedule i belive
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> 14.04 = 2014. 4th month
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> 12.04 14.04 16.04  ;)
[07:24] <urterror> I started using ubuntu 7.04
[07:24] <fahadash> Would that be capable of running on DELL Windows8 tablets ?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  how should we know. ;)
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> by the time 14.04 comes out - there maybe ubuntu tablets.
[07:25] <fahadash> ummm because you guys are ubuntu pundits ?
[07:25] <roscogruen> Dr_Willis:  do i put the iso in the home drive?  and is the "~" left out?
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> MS likes its tablets locked down so no other os's can work
[07:25] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  use the fullpath.. dont rely on ~
[07:25] <geirha> fahadash: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[07:25] <fahadash> So does apple
[07:25] <time1> hello, everyone
[07:25] <Calinou> hi
[07:25] <time1> I updated gimp to 2.8
[07:25] <fahadash> I would really love to be able to install ubuntu on new iPhones and iPads
[07:26] <time1> but windows are still separate
[07:26] <roscogruen> how do i get the whole path?  i'm not good at this stuff.  learning disability
[07:26] <time1> how to merge them in one
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> I dont really see the point of using apple hardwar.. if you are not running the apple os on the hardware.. why spend more $$ for the hardware
[07:26] <reisio> Calinou: hi
[07:26] <time1> i mean, tool box, layers etc should be in one box, i have readd somewhere in release notes that this version can do that
[07:26] <Calinou> time1: Window > Single window mode :)
[07:26] <Calinou> it's not defaul
[07:26] <Calinou> default*
[07:27] <reisio> yup, in >=2.7, IIRC
[07:27] <crocket> I decided that 13.10 breaks a lot of things compared to 13.04
[07:27] <Calinou> "I decided"
[07:27] <Calinou> I'm upgrading on my netbook right now
[07:27] <crocket> decided
[07:27] <crocket> Calinou, Stop that
[07:27] <crocket> Skip 13.10
[07:27] <Calinou> no. :)
[07:27] <fahadash> Because apple hardwares are better ?
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> 13.10 seems to work well for me.
[07:28] <Calinou> apple hardware isn't "better", it just has an optimized OS
[07:28] <crocket> Dr_Willis, Because you don't use ibus.
[07:28] <Calinou> hardware that you find on high end android phones is more powerful
[07:28] <Calinou> and not more expensivd
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  cant really say ive seen many people in here with ibus issues.
[07:28] <Calinou> french here...
[07:28] <Dr_Willis> but i am using xubuntu on a netbook as my main 13.10 machine
[07:28] <time1> Calinou: thanks
[07:29] <Calinou> np :)
[07:29] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: My gf is using ubuntu 12.4 LTS on her netbook
[07:29] <Calinou> Dr_Willis: same! :)
[07:29] <crocket> Dr_Willis, xubuntu is better
[07:29] <crocket> unity is annoying
[07:29] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: She asked for a more expensive netbook because hers was slow, I replaced win7 with ubuntu
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> i have no issues with unity. it just is too much for this netbook.
[07:29] <crocket> I think cinnamon is the way to go
[07:29] <md> hi every one
[07:30] <time1> Calinou: i want to add send to bluetooth & removable drives shortcut on dolphin, like nautilus, how to do that
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> i dont see much point in cinnamon either. Been playing with qtrazor lately
[07:30] <crocket> Dr_Willis, What do you think about mate?
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  dont se emuch point in any of the gnome2-wanna-be clones.. since the gnome devs now have an official gnome-2 looking setup for gnome-shell
[07:30] <Calinou> time1: no idea :/
[07:30] <reisio> mdh: sup
[07:30] <Calinou> I don't use kde
[07:31] <crocket> Dr_Willis, what is that?
[07:31] <fahadash> Gnome DE doesnt show up in sofware center when I search for it
[07:31] <Calinou> gnome-shell?
[07:31] <time1> hmm, how to add it to the NEMO
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  gnome shell 3.8+ has their official gnome-2 look/feel thing.
[07:31] <time1> i just don't like nautilus
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> i forget what they call it.. thse things have to many varity of names
[07:31] <Dr_Willis> gnome-classic or somthing
[07:32] <Calinou> thunar here
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> if i want an old skool type desktop for low end machines i use lubuntu or xubuntu
[07:32] <time1> why ubuntu ships such kind of buggy applications by default, like brasero, nautilus,
[07:32] <fahadash> Please help... Canonical or whoever just pulled GNome from software center... It used to be there 15 min ago
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> qtrazor is a newcomer to that catatory also
[07:32] <Guest12279> when i run my script, it is working fine but when my script running  through crown it showing some syntax error in command. what should i do?
[07:32] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  use the apt-cache search command. and what are you searching for exactly?
[07:33] <time1> does thunar support file search option
[07:33] <Calinou> time1: if you are affected by a bug try updating the packages
[07:33] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Trying to install gnome
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> Guest12279:  cron dosent use bash by default.  make sure your script is ran with bash as its  first line. #!/bin/bash
[07:34] <time1> Calinou: most of time, it hangs, stops responding in small directories
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  which gnome? Unity uses gnome3 by default.. so your being vague
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  gnome-shell?
[07:34] <pockerface> hello
[07:34] <reisio> hi
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  ubuntu-gnome-desktop ?
[07:34] <fahadash> I need to install gnome classic
[07:34] <Calinou> never hung for me
[07:34] <Calinou> but I'm on thunar these days anyway
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  in what ubuntu release?
[07:35] <ObrienDave> fahadash... the gnome meta is still in the repos
[07:35] <fahadash> 12.4 LTS
[07:35] <Guest12279> Dr_Willis, oh ok thanks
[07:35] <fahadash> I just did apt-get update and still cant find it
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> !info gnome-panel
[07:36] <ObrienDave> use synaptic
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> thought it was gnome-panel that pulled in the classic gnome in 12.04  but i could be wrong.
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> !classic
[07:36] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: http://imgur.com/ExFH7qR
[07:36] <Dr_Willis> !nounity
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> gnome fallback mode -> install gnome-panel the bot just said.
[07:38] <fahadash> Unable to locate package ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  because you are on an older release
[07:38] <bazhang> fahadash, gnome-panel
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> gnome fallback mode -> install gnome-panel the bot just said.   fahadash
[07:39] <fahadash> Thanks
[07:39] <fahadash> Its installing now
[07:39] <sfera> Hi, I searched  about this hardware in the forums but have not found any information that mentioned if this hardware with pre-installed ubuntu works  easily with this somewhat limited power processor, do anyone know  this hardware, have used it and that how responds with ubuntu?  supports a resolution full hd 1080 pp?
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> be glad when all these redundant fallnack/classic/old-skool modes die out
[07:39] <sfera> http://www.carrefouronline.carrefour.es/noalimentacion/TemplateProduct.aspx?pila=catal...&itemMarcado=&nivel_desplegado=cat410336&itemId=303000670
[07:40] <reisio> sfera: if it's preinstalled, all you need is a return policy
[07:40] <roscogruen> what is the purpose of having xubuntu along with ubuntu?  how is xubuntu different?
[07:40] <reisio> roscogruen: it uses Xfce instead of GNOME 3+Unity
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> roscogruen:  xubuntu uses xfce
[07:40] <reisio> which is different, it's a little more like GNOME 2 than 3
[07:40] <fahadash> I got gnome, thanks
[07:40] <reisio> and potentially uses fewer resources
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> xfce is a bit lighter ;) and more old skool in its looks
[07:41] <OerHeks> unity - 1024 mb / xubuntu - 512 mb / lubuntu 256 mb
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu and lxde is lighter still.
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> or go extreme and just use a basic window manager. ;)
[07:41] <roscogruen> hmm.
[07:41] <ObrienDave> a little too lite for my taste
[07:42] <roscogruen> i'm gonna restart and try ubuntu for first time in four years
[07:42] <urterror> it use to work well on my pentium 3 laptop
[07:42] <roscogruen> bbl
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> all im doing on my netbook is irc and watching vidoes. ;) jwm and a terminal is about all i need
[07:43] <urterror> Dr_Willis: are you watching flash videos from ubuntu server?
[07:43] <lapion> hmm gnome fall-back/flashback on i915 still does not do screen redraws correctly
[07:43] <urterror> how can it be done? using a svga framebuffer?
[07:43] <Twinlator> what's the most important new features in ubutnu 13.10?
[07:43] <sfera> reisio this hardware support full hd 1080 pp ?http://www.carrefouronline.carrefour.es/noalimentacion/TemplateProduct.aspx?pila=catal...&itemMarcado=&nivel_desplegado=cat410336&itemId=303000670
[07:44] <wilee-nilee> Twinlator, having people ask "what's the most important new features in ubutnu 13.10?"
[07:44] <reisio> sfera: I'd guess not, but we can figure it out if we look it all up
[07:45] <reisio> sfera: do you have a screen that supports 1080p?
[07:47] <sfera> reisio yes it is for a tv lg full hd from 120 cm of diameter , 47 inch
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> Just use a flash downloader tool and a video player perhaps...
[07:48] <Lynxx> hello
[07:48] <Lynxx> i have a q
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. even rather low end mondern hardware can support 1080p these days
[07:48] <ObrienDave> !ask | Lynxx
[07:48] <reisio> sfera: there are some <$100 computers you can get that do 1080p
[07:49] <Lynxx> Whenever i try playing bingo blitz on facebook it says i need to update flash. I already have updated to the latest but still same error, was working before i think...
[07:49] <Lynxx> ObrienDave, i was typing it
[07:49] <Twinlator> i'm using ubutnu 12.04 LTS now, and i wanna update my OS to the newest version. However ,the intro on ubutnu.com didn't give much more information.
[07:49] <Dr_Willis> Lynxx:  could be theres some newer flash on windows thats not out for linux yet.  or their code is just being stupid
[07:49] <ObrienDave> ok, sorry. my impatience ;)
[07:49] <reisio> sfera: $50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubieboard
[07:49] <Lynxx> :(
[07:49] <sfera> reisio i wanted this machine because is very small
[07:49] <reisio> sfera: €30
[07:50] <reisio> sfera: this is even smaller
[07:50] <Lynxx> Dr_Willis, is there any work around?
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> Lynxx:  no idea.
[07:50] <reisio> and about 300% cheaper
[07:50] <Lynxx> other than using windows
[07:50] <Lynxx> ok ty
[07:50] <Dr_Willis> Twinlator:  if you dont have a real need to update. then dont. stick to lts or the latst release.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Twinlator:  upgradeing from your current install to 13.10 - maybe a bit of a pain. for little gain
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> Twinlator:  and 14.04 will be out in a few months.
[07:51] <Sazpaimon_> why do the ubuntu 13.10 isos not have an EFI folder?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> 6, to be exact ;)
[07:52] <OerHeks> Sazpaimon_, why does it need to have it? it works on UEFI.
[07:52] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[07:53] <Sazpaimon_> because for me to boot the installer in efi mode, it needs a bootx64.efi file
[07:53] <Sazpaimon_> does it not?
[07:53] <sfera> reisio reisio ok it is cool but i cant buy it in a shop of my country, true??
[07:53] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: no, uefi boots the usb stick
[07:53] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: after installation you'd need an efi system partition, but not before
[07:53] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: besides that, a bootx64.efi file is not an efi folder
[07:54] <reisio> sfera: what country, España?
[07:54] <sfera> reisio , yes of course
[07:54] <reisio> I'm sure there are some €30 small form factor single-board computers supporting 1080p available in España
[07:54] <reisio> if not the cubieboard then something else
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, so then how does the uefi firmware know how to boot the usb stick?
[07:55] <reisio> does it matter if it has to be shipped to you, though?
[07:55] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: same way bios knows how
[07:55] <reisio> hello usb stick, please boot
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> uh, bios only knows because the MBR is formatted
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> uefi does not use MBR
[07:55] <Sazpaimon_> oh wait, I was mistaken re: efi folder missing
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> i was loading the 32 bit iso
[07:56]  * reisio shrugs
[07:56] <fahadash> Where do I find synaptic ?
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> the 64 bit iso clearly has EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> carry on
[07:56] <ObrienDave> fahadash... go through software center
[07:56] <OerHeks> Sazpaimon_, UEFI does not support 32 bit
[07:56] <Sazpaimon_> OerHeks, yes i know, i accidently mounted the wrong iso
[07:57] <Sazpaimon_> but just fyi that file is indeed required for any uefi system to boot the usb stick
[07:57] <reisio> sfera: http://cubieboard.org/buy/ three items for spain
[07:57] <sfera> reisio ok but i like buy  it all in shops of my country
[07:58] <OerHeks> Sazpaimon_, i am aware of that, have fun!
[07:59] <lapion> well actually if you do not want to use bios emulation on an uefi system you need efi folder on any device you wish to boot
[07:59] <reisio> sfera: why?
[07:59] <Sazpaimon_> also speaking of distros tha are missing the EFI folder
[07:59] <vadi> What is a Ubuntu-friendly drawing tablet?
[07:59] <Sazpaimon_> the minimal CD is also missing it
[08:00] <sfera> reisio , buy it  only in physical stores   ???
[08:00] <reisio> sfera: yes
[08:00] <Sazpaimon_> copying the EFI folder from the full iso into it makes it boot, though, but it'd be nice if it were included so I dont need to download an additonal 700+ MB ISO just to get the efi stuff
[08:02] <sfera> reisio which is a physical store ?      Imai-solutions     Quascar     Goshield
[08:02] <Sazpaimon_> is this a mistake or is it by design?
[08:02] <reisio> sfera: no idea, why do you need to buy it in a store?
[08:02] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: is what a mistake?
[08:02] <ObrienDave> it's by design
[08:03] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, the minimal iso missing the EFI bits
[08:03] <fahadash> How do I add new users ? I used useradd -d /home/username username <-- and I cant log in gui
[08:03] <Sazpaimon_> it only takes up about 1.5MB more, so I dont know why that's missing
[08:03] <reisio> Sazpaimon_: I think someone said if it boots it boots
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  easier to use 'sudo adduser username'
[08:03] <sfera> reisio because i can taste the hardware in the same shop before of buy it
[08:04] <Sazpaimon_> reisio, mini.iso wont boot unless I copy the EFI folder from the full iso to it
[08:04] <reisio> fahadash: you'd need to run 'passwd user' at the very least
[08:04] <fahadash> reisio: I did
[08:04] <reisio> sfera: that's what return policies are for
[08:04] <reisio> fahadash: then there are groups to consider
[08:04] <fahadash> It accepts my user/pass , screen flickers and comes back to login screen
[08:04] <fahadash> Which group should it be in ?
[08:04] <reisio> fahadash: almost all the same groups any user you're already using is in
[08:05] <Sazpaimon_> its not a deal breaker, i'd just rather not have to download 700MB just to copy 1.5-2MBMB of data to make a 36MB iso work
[08:05] <reisio> 'groups existingUser'
[08:05] <fahadash> my current (root/default) user is in adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[08:05] <reisio> weird
[08:06] <reisio> fahadash: what'd you put in the home dir?
[08:06] <sfera> ..
[08:06] <reisio> sfera: if you're going to walk into a store
[08:06] <fahadash> reisio: useradd command didn't mkdir the new directory so I had to create one, its empty
[08:06] <reisio> sfera: you can just ask a sales clerk if it does 1080p
[08:06] <reisio> sfera: and return it if they lie to you
[08:06] <reisio> fahadash: -m does that
[08:07] <fahadash> I am trying adduser as Dr_Willis said
[08:08] <fahadash> adduser is asking a whole bunch of questions including room # and SAT score
[08:08] <reisio> yup
[08:08] <wylde> fahadash, they can be left blank ...
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> every time ive seen people have issues adding users from the cli.. its because they use useradd not adduser. ;)
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  so hit enter
[08:08] <sfera> reisio in the web if you buy something  and you return this thing the cost of return this thing is yours
[08:08] <reisio> useradd is simple
[08:09] <fahadash> Why can't I use useradd ?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> and they always seem to have a hard time understanding 'just leave them blank...'
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  my guess would be you did not tive useradd all the needed options
[08:09] <fahadash> sfera: That is why I always buy with free shipment; that comes with free return shipment automatically
[08:09] <wylde> you can use useradd, you just have to use it properly ;)
[08:09] <reisio> useradd -m -G foo,bar,baz -s /bin/bash -c Edgar edgar
[08:10] <mr-xu> hi guys, is there some other programs like wgetpaste, i cant install wgetpaste in ubuntu
[08:11] <reisio> mr-xu: Ubuntu uses pastebinit
[08:11] <reisio> for some reason every distro has their own favorite pastebin script :p
[08:11] <reisio> almost as indicative as the package manager
[08:11] <reisio> probably moreso
[08:12] <nb-ben> gist
[08:12] <sfera> fahadash ,the namew of a  universal web  of shops for buy this stuff with free shipment??
[08:12] <mr-xu> reisio: tk ;)
[08:12] <sfera> the name
[08:12] <bazhang> !ot | sfera
[08:13] <reisio> you don't need free shipment when you're saving yourself 300% cost
[08:14] <fahadash> sfera: A whole bunch of them offer free shipments. amazon, newegg . You just have to play it right
[08:14] <mr-xu> hi guys, i cant start X window, here is the log file, can someone help, thanks;) http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293633
[08:14] <fahadash> There goes the Topic-Police
[08:15] <k1l> fahadash: no need for that comment. please see the guidelines to be clear what rules apply to this channel
[08:15] <michagogo|cloud> Someone should fix the release notes link in the topic...
[08:16] <fahadash> Ok I take my comment back. But you gotta relax on that limitations sometimes for trivial stuff
[08:16] <fahadash> Is there any such command as gnome-session-save ?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> !find gnome-session-save
[08:16] <k1l> fahadash: we have a extra offtopic channel to keep this channel only for technical support. since its a 1700 users channel which gets out of hand if everyone wants to tak trivial stuff
[08:17] <fahadash> I am running a theme script, it cant find it
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  dosent seem to be
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  a theme script? what script?
[08:17] <fahadash> I am trying to run this on 12.4 LTS...http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/
[08:17] <sfera> ok but i wanted find that hardware in a shop of my country and with complete garantie of return
[08:18] <wylde> fahadash, http://askubuntu.com/questions/38988/is-there-a-way-to-save-a-session
[08:18] <k1l> sfera: stick to technical ubuntu support in here please. you were already asked to drop that into #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:18] <jack> anyone want to help me a bit with apt/dpkg?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  my advice... dont bother with that script/theme
[08:19] <jack> i'm stuck with E: Internal Error, No file name for python3.2:i386
[08:20] <jack> no clue what to try now
[08:20] <ObrienDave> why would anyone want a Win7 theme?
[08:20] <k1l> jack: can you put the command and the whole output into a pastebin?
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  if a theme needs some 'script' its most likely best to avoide
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  and look at the date.. seems that was published in 2011
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> I bet it dident work very wellback then either
[08:20] <fahadash> ObrienDave: I am trying this out... It would help me convert some win7 users better if they find a familiar interface
[08:20] <jack> ok, trying
[08:21] <sfera> k1l the best warranty is buy it all in the corteingles xd
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  i imagine that script can break your system badly.
[08:22] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Do you have other options to get windows 7 look and feel on ubuntu ?
[08:23] <cfhowlett> fahadash, use xubuntu or lubuntu instead.  they're less Ubuntuy
[08:23] <cfhowlett> to an extent
[08:23] <zebedee_> hello
[08:23] <ObrienDave> how about T.A.I.L.S.? it haa a XP looking theme built in ;)
[08:23] <cfhowlett> zebedee_, greetings
[08:23] <ObrienDave> *has
[08:23] <zebedee_> need some assistance please with xubuntu if thats ok
[08:24] <cfhowlett> zebedee_, asj
[08:24] <cfhowlett> ask
[08:24] <vlt> !details | zebedee_
[08:24] <OerHeks> fahadash, the start "sudo wget  ..." is reason enough to avoid it
[08:24] <zebedee_> fresh install 13.10   installed nvidia-common  and now I have no toppanel ??
[08:24] <fahadash> Why you guys are all over me, telling me about my vulnerability instead of giving me the alternatives ?
[08:25] <wylde> fahadash, I saw a couple alternatives suggested.
[08:25] <fahadash> cfhowlett: Can xubuntu or lubuntu help me accomplish what I am trying to accomplish ?
[08:25] <k1l> fahadash: we gave you alternatives. see the desktops that look like the way windows looks
[08:25] <fahadash> Dont want XP look, dont want xfce's default look
[08:25] <wylde> fahadash, then customize them?
[08:25] <zebedee_> I can get to a desktop  and alt+f2 will allow me to start applications - how do I get the top panel back please
[08:26] <fahadash> I want this look.... http://cdn.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Final-Product-e1300273216522.png
[08:26] <fahadash> Is this possible ?
[08:26] <reisio> fahadash: there are several packs and howtos for making GNOME and KDE look like Windows
[08:26] <reisio> fahadash: including a few distros that ship them default
[08:26] <ObrienDave> xubuntu is a bit "plainer". I think it looks closer to classic windows
[08:26] <k1l> fahadash: and dont take the users for naive. they will see its not windows at least if they start a file browser or if the want to install some .exe
[08:26] <reisio> there's nothing in particular that makes Xfce plainer, the Xubuntu guys just went with flat gray because they did
[08:27] <fahadash> k1l: I am not going to tell them its windows... I am trying to help users have a smooth transition
[08:27] <wylde> fahadash, the answer is yes. It is possible.
[08:27] <fahadash> reisio: Do you have any link to those howtos ?
[08:27] <fahadash> wylde: How ?
[08:27] <reisio> nope, because they're so easy to find
[08:28] <vlt> fahadash: What distro is this screenshot?
[08:28] <fahadash> vlt: Ubuntu 10.4 LTS
[08:28] <reisio> https://www.google.com/search?q=windows%207%20theme%20gnome etc.
[08:28] <cfhowlett> vlt, that would be ... vista
[08:28] <wylde> fahadash, by starting with a reasonably similar desktop and cusomizing it.
[08:28] <wylde> customizing it.
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> having it sort of-kinda-look like windowsa but not act like windows will just cause more frustration
[08:28] <fahadash> vlt: Here is the actual page... http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/
[08:29] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Its "acting like windows" part that causes everybody frustration
[08:29] <cfhowlett> fahadash, it won't.  it's not windows.
[08:29] <fahadash> If windows acting like windows, I wouldn't be trying to convert windows users into linux
[08:29] <fahadash> wait, i gotta rephrase
[08:29] <fahadash> If windows did act like windows, I wouldn't be trying to convert windows users into linux
[08:30] <Dr_Willis> i convert windows users by just lettingthem use the system and they relize how its differnt and better
[08:30]  * vlt too
[08:30] <ObrienDave> fahadash... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2028896/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7.html
[08:30] <cfhowlett> fahadash, time for you to do your own research.  LOOK like windows is doable.  ACT like windows ... install windows and send them away happy.
[08:30] <ObrienDave> that took all of 10 seconds to find
[08:31] <reisio> he probably means act like windows if it weren't so awful
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> watch out for 'theme guides' that date back  2+ years ;)
[08:31] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, lmgtfy
[08:31] <fahadash> wait it still doesnt make sense... I guess I am too sleepy
[08:32] <fahadash> What I meant to say, Windows acting like Windows is a problem
[08:32]  * Dr_Willis makes his windows setup look like unity.
[08:32] <bazhang> !ot | fahadash
[08:32] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett... LMAO
[08:32]  * cfhowlett makes his ubuntustudio look kewl.
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> I still cant get the elementary os desktop working right on 13.10 ;(
[08:33] <fahadash> cfhowlett: I guess I am misunderstood, I am not trying to make ubuntu act like windows....
[08:33] <fahadash> I tried to get Windows to stop acting like Windows, I failed... So I moved to linux...
[08:33] <bazhang> fahadash, lets get back on topic
[08:33] <ObrienDave> fahadash... i think they're trying to tell you to do some basic RESEARCH
[08:34] <cfhowlett> fahadash, I think we' ve beat this topic into the ground
[08:34] <bazhang> fahadash, chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic NOT here
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  i imagine if you want to customuze the desktop that much. you will want to be using XFCE and not Unity or gnome3
[08:34] <fahadash> bazhang: I am talking about giving people who got stung by windows a solution...which is ubuntu... is it still off-topic ?
[08:34] <bazhang> fahadash, YES
[08:34] <wow> hi guys, i can see the display manager, and when i login, there is just black screen, here is the error message http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293691/
[08:34] <reisio> it'd take less time with Xfce
[08:34] <wow> can someone help? thanks
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> wow:  lightdm login works? or you dont even see that?
[08:35] <bazhang> wow tried nomodeset?
[08:35] <fahadash> Dr_Willis: Are you saying getting that theme is easier on xfce than on gnome ?
[08:35] <BenNZ> hi having trouble with the precise mini iso , ive tried on my laptop/desktop and vbox each time it fails after selecting the mirror , i did an md5sum test on the iso and it passed , anyone know what the problem is?
[08:35] <ObrienDave> fahadash... YES, this is Ubuntu SUPPORT not ex-window user support
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> fahadash:  you dont understand how themes work on linux desktops.
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> oh well.. never mind
[08:35] <cfhowlett> dang,  I just found his solution too  http://ubuntusatanic.org/
[08:35] <Dr_Willis> and for the record.. xfce is mor ecustomizeable. ;)
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> cfhowlett:  what? not hanna-montanna linux? ;)
[08:36] <bazhang> !nomodeset | wow
[08:36] <reisio> it's not more customizeable, it's just less complex, and therefore more easily customized
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Dr_Willis, agreed
[08:36] <cfhowlett> Dr_Willis, LOL
[08:36] <Dr_Willis> be carefull we will have to !OT ourself more.
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> wow:  if lightdm login screen works. but the desktop dosent. try making a new user. see if it works for them.
[08:37] <wow> ubottu: thanks, i'll try
[08:37] <wow> Dr_Willis: nope, the same result
[08:37] <wow> ubottu: thanks anywahy
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> wow:  i imagine the guest user also has the same issue?
[08:38] <jack> k1l, check http://pastebin.com/Whd7wW15
[08:38] <wow> yep, i try the guest user, but it is black screen too
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> wow:  often theres some issues with Unity/compiz and the video drivers.  but ive never seen a defacto fix.
[08:38] <zetto123> what is the top bar called in ubuntu? the one with all the small icons and stuff, and sometimes settings for an program.
[08:39] <reisio> top bar, globalmenu, etc.
[08:39] <Dr_Willis> wow:  other then to try a differnt non-unity/compiz based desktop ;) but thats a little  exterem
[08:39] <zetto123> oh it doesn't have a specific name?
[08:39] <reisio> panel :)
[08:39] <wow> Dr_Willis: ok, then i'll try lxde, tk ;)
[08:39] <zetto123> lol okay
[08:40] <reisio> zetto123: does it have a name in Mac OS?
[08:40] <zetto123> reisio: dunno not a mac user soo
[08:40] <ObrienDave> zetto123... panel 0
[08:40] <ab`> what should be the behavior of 'sed -ni s/regex/foo file'?
[08:40] <ObrienDave> I think ;)
[08:41] <reisio> ab`: an error
[08:41] <lapion> ubuntu installer cannot handle btrfs install
[08:42] <cfhowlett> lapion, default is ext4 ...
[08:43] <ab`> everytime i do that, sed empties my file. is there a reason behind it?
[08:43] <lapion> after manually selecting btrfs the installer cannot handle using or formatting btrfs
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  theres some web sites that give  the names of all the unity gui bits..  http://www.howtogeek.com/113330/
[08:43] <reisio> ab`: try without -n
[08:44] <iceroot> ab`: sed will remove your regex with foo (and because you are using -n you will not get any output
[08:44] <zetto123> Dr_Willis: thanks that can be helpful, gonna look into it
[08:44] <iceroot> ab`: and maybe remove -i for testing, because -i will edit the file directly (see also man sed  for the options)
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  seen several sites that are similer.. some may be a little out of date. then theres the offical ubuntu manual
[08:44] <Dr_Willis> !manual | zetto123
[08:45] <cfhowlett> lapion, stop the installation.  reboot the ubuntu disk live session.  DO NOT install.  use gparted to prepare your partitions.  then reboot and install into the partitions
[08:45] <zetto123> okay thanks guys, guess i will for first time in my life read an manual
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  its more pictures then anything else i recall. ;)
[08:46] <ObrienDave> rtfm ;)
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> 'read and follow label directions'
[08:46] <ObrienDave> something I can't get my wife to do LOL
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> some of the features of ubuntu are a bit hard to 'discover'
[08:47] <ab`> it works fine with 'sed -in s/regex/foo file', though. it seems little weird.
[08:48] <lapion> cfhowlett, like I said " cannot handle using or formatting btrfs"
[08:48] <ObrienDave> sometimes switch order makes all the difference
[08:48] <iceroot> ab`: ? so you say -in is working but not -ni? or what is your statement?
[08:48] <cfhowlett> lapion, per the gparted site, btrfs is doable.  I don't know why your's isn't working.  sorry
[08:48] <ab`> iceroot: exactly.
[08:48] <iceroot> ab`: ok that sounds strange, was never facing something like that, maybe i was just lucky
[08:49] <ab`> iceroot: just lost my big .emacs file
[08:50] <iceroot> ab`: the manpage says .) edit files in place (makes backup if extension supplied)
[08:50] <iceroot> ab`: so maybe there is a backup?
[08:51] <ab`> iceroot: i didn't supply any, sadly.
[08:51] <ObrienDave> *nibbles on fingers*
[08:52] <BenNZ> hi having trouble with the precise mini iso , ive tried on my laptop/desktop and vbox each time it fails after selecting the mirror , i did an md5sum test on the iso and it passed , anyone know what the problem is?
[08:52] <geirha> -ni is -n -i,  -in is -i with n as suffix
[08:53] <ObrienDave> BenNZ... have you tried a different mirror each time?
[08:53] <wylde> BenNZ, what mirror are you choosing? Are you trying the same one each time? Is there any additional error output?
[08:53] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, wrong mirror?
[08:53] <lapion> cfhowlett, sorry a preformatted partition works fine
[08:53] <cfhowlett> lapion, more than one way to skin a cat ...
[08:54] <ab`> geirha: oh i see, there are 'filen' files in same directory.
[08:54] <geirha> ab`: You probably don't want -n at all, just -i, so the question would be why did you include -n in the first place?
[08:54] <BenNZ> i did try the nz one and the one of the aus one's
[08:54] <lapion> still it's sloppy to not insert a warning in the installer to point to this shortcoming...
[08:55] <cfhowlett> lapion, I'm slow to claim BUG! but I think it might just be ...
[08:55] <ab`> geirha: i just forgot i was editing file 'in-place'
[08:55] <ChiVampir> Hi I have some problem and are unable to get my system to boot.
[08:55] <cfhowlett> !details|ChiVampir,
[08:56] <geirha> ab`: Technically, sed cannot edit files. What the -i does is write the result to a new file and move it over the original one afterwards
[08:57] <lapion> e this one account to login to everything in the installer.. this should not be in the installer..
[08:57] <BenNZ> nope doesnt matter which mirror , just tried aus and us again , hangs at the same place
[08:57] <xtriz> is their a GUI for openvpn  ?
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: client or server?
[08:58] <ChiVampir> I have problem with booting Ubuntu 13.10. I only run into this screen: http://i44.tinypic.com/2zsnr51.jpg I have disabled secure boot and boot mode is set to legacy. I was able to boot into the system one time after install (the boot took over 10 min), and installed updates as well as installing kernel 3.12. I've tried to do a boot repair and this is my url: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293415/
[08:59] <ChiVampir> If you need it I can give you the output of  lshw -short
[08:59] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, both
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> ChiVampir: check BIOS settings for the drive in BIOS. You may want to run a low level check using the manufacturer's tool on the Ultimate Boot CD
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: network-manager icon in your panel can connect to VPNs and has the client in. I am not sure about a GUI for openVPN as an endpoint but there are tonnes of guides on how to set one up
[09:00] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: Thank you. I will try and tell you the result.
[09:01] <xtriz> ActionParsnip, ok , it would have been nice if there was a nice GUI to configure VPN as well.
[09:02] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: I'm now in bios and don
[09:02] <ChiVampir> 't quite understand what you mean I should do.
[09:02] <gypsymauro> hi
[09:02] <BlackT1tan> q
[09:02] <flutiwinger> hi
[09:02] <BlackT1tan> hay
[09:02] <gypsymauro> I mount a smb share with nautilus, but when I open a qt application I can't see that mount point and I've no idea on how to access to it, any hint?
[09:03] <ab`> geirha: so, what goes wrong when with 'ni'?
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: why? Most people put it on a server OS, so has no GUI
[09:03] <wylde> gypsymauro, look in ~/.gvfs ;)
[09:03] <nubuntu> ?
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> xtriz: why does EVERYTHING need a GUI?
[09:03] <Twinlator> hello, i have a error when i run a c program. (i'm a new man in c language). http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293806/
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  they are in the users /home/username/.gvfs directory
[09:04] <flutiwinger> q
[09:04] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: Where can I find the low level check?
[09:04] <gypsymauro> I don't have that folder
[09:04] <gypsymauro> even showing hidden files
[09:04] <flutiwinger> Quit
[09:04] <geirha> ab`: It includes -n, which you apparently don't want.
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  look again.  its where  the gnome virtual filesystem puts things
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  try the shell.. cd ~/.gvfs
[09:05] <ChiVampir> ActionParsnip: And what is the Ultimate Boot CD? Sorry for not knowing...
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  if you are using kde.. it might use a differnt location
[09:05] <knifes> i install ubuntu 13.10
[09:05] <geirha> ab`: Have you looked it up in the manual yet?
[09:06] <knifes> yes
[09:06] <gypsymauro> Dr_Willis: yes iI found the same answer on internet but on my installation I can see in nautilus the share mounted and I can access to it but no .gvfs folder
[09:06] <gypsymauro> it's a 13.10
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  ls -l ~/.gvfs       gives what error/info ?
[09:08] <ab`> geirha: sure, i did. i have read the man, info and faq pages that come with sed. but it just says -n suppresses the output of context area.
[09:08] <gypsymauro> Dr_Willis: no souch fiel or directory
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  and you are using unity/gnome? or kde?
[09:09] <gypsymauro> Dr_Willis: unity/gnome
[09:09] <ab`> geirha:  this behavior is not mentioned anywhere.
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  i definatly have a .gvfs on unity/13.10 here
[09:09] <geirha> ab`: «suppress automatic printing of pattern space», which means that it won't output any lines unless you explicitly use the p command (or the p flag for the s command).
[09:09] <wylde> Dr_Willis, as does my Kubuntu 13.10 box
[09:10] <gypsymauro> Dr_Willis: I added the share using "connect to server"
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  you could always mount the shares by hand to whatever location you want i guess
[09:10] <knifes> ubuntu 13.10 its ok  still have lot of error and bug to work on
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  access it in nautilus, and look at the path its using
[09:10] <gypsymauro> Dr_Willis: yes of course but is for a non geek user :)
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> gypsymauro:  ctrl-l shows the full path.address bar
[09:10] <geirha> ab`: Why did you include -n in the first place?
[09:11] <gypsymauro> Dr_Willis: it says smb://myserver/share
[09:13] <Wiz_KeeD> Hey guys, I tried making a ubuntu bootable stick and it didn't work, it just boot from it, show a bit of the welcome screen then go into a console and giving endless lines of killing something
[09:13] <ab`> geirha: okay, now i understand. '-n' is suppressing the output which was supposed to be sent to the file. that's why i am getting blank file.
 hello, i have a error when i run a c program. the result should be 3, but it returned 0. (i'm a new man in c language). http://paste.ubuntu.com/6293806/
[09:13] <Wiz_KeeD> I tried it with penlinux thing or what's it called to install ubuntu 12.04 Desktop x64
[09:13] <yeehi> nvidia drivers problem: proprietary nvidia drivers were installed in Saucy, using the software sources/additional drivers method. Prior to installation, FPS scores were over 1000; after installation FPS is down to 60 (the refresh rate of the display.) How can this be?
[09:14] <Wiz_KeeD> Windows worked fine with the same stick and wintoflash
[09:14] <ObrienDave> Sazpaimon_... did you ever get the EFI files?
[09:14] <yeehi> Has the computer actually been slowed down by installation of the proprietary drivers?
[09:15] <ab`> geirha: i was wrongly guessing it works for 'stdout' only. okay, thank you very much for the help.
[09:15] <ObrienDave> Sazpaimon_... https://www.dropbox.com/sh/nvzhfnk4vxatpyh/6vl3VudId9
[09:16] <zebedee_> not to worry about help question earlier  I re-installed and will now try and read about problems with nvidia-common
[09:16] <zebedee_> back later if I need to
[09:16] <geirha> ab`: yeah, sed -i 'script' file    does   sed 'script' file > file.tmp && mv file.tmp file   behind the scenes
[09:17] <lameroid> libng error:Read Error [13.295132] Kernel panic - not suncing: Attemped to killinit! exitcode=0x00000100 [13.295132] [13.295166] drm_kms_helper: panic occured, switching back to text console
[09:17] <lameroid> who - that knows?
[09:17] <wylde> yeehi, check nvidia-settings and see if it's set to behave that way?
[09:17] <lameroid> nvidia 6800 GT
[09:18] <zetto123> What's the PPA for oracle java?
[09:18] <n008> help how do I setup a quick proxy on an ubuntu serveR?
[09:18] <yeehi> wylde, how do we check nvidia settings?
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> !java | zetto123
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> zetto123:  webupd8  has a ppa with an install script for it
[09:19] <wylde> yeehi, the nvidia app in system? or type nvidia-settings in terminal
[09:19] <yeehi> i found the app wylde, am looking at it now
[09:21] <ivali> how can i enable multiple workspaces on ubuntu
[09:21] <lameroid> русские есть?
[09:22] <vlt> !ru | lameroid
[09:22] <vlt> Yes, how can I enable multiple workspaces on Ubuntu (13.10) with Unity?
 you can find the proxy setting in system setting>network
[09:23] <yeehi> wylde, is there a quick and easy way to verify I am utilizing the full power of the nvidia graphics card in this installation?
[09:23] <zetto123> Ivali: appearence>Behavior>enable workspaces
[09:24] <yeehi> I can't understand how glxgears was providing such high FPS scores. The FPS is meant to be approximately equal to the refresh rate of the display...
[09:24] <wylde> yeehi, no idea. Use it, do some intense graphics activities. Browse ubuntu packages for graphics benchmarking tools?
[09:24] <yeehi> I don't know any display that refreshes at over 1000 FPS...
[09:24] <yeehi> thanks, wylde...
[09:25] <lapion> cfhowlett, the breakage is probably because mkfs.btrfs gives a warning and aborts when formatting a pre-formatted partition. mkfs.btrfs will only format the partition if -f is used
[09:25] <wylde> yeehi, welcome :)
[09:26] <zetto123> anyone here having experience using Déjà Dup? i can't get it to work with my webdav server...
[09:27] <fahadash> Hi All
[09:27] <fahadash> I just wanna say thank you everybody for helping me
[09:28] <ObrienDave> fahadash... thank you for saying so :)
[09:28] <fahadash> This is the snapshot of what I got so far....http://imgur.com/w8FpUc4
[09:28] <fahadash> That pcmag article (whoever shared it), was awesome
[09:29] <ObrienDave> fahadash... looks good so far
[09:29] <holden87> hi guys, i just have one question
[09:29] <fahadash> ObrienDave: Now the menus are little bit off; the howtogeek article was showing the perfect win-like menu
[09:30] <n008> how do I setup a light proxy on a server
[09:30] <holden87> i installed 13.10, and when i visited youtube, it asked me to install the youtube shortcut or whatever that is. How do i uninstall it?
[09:30] <cfhowlett> holden87, it's a firefox addon and managed by firefox
[09:30] <n008> that I can use from my dektop
[09:30] <cfhowlett> holden87, firefox> tools > addons >
[09:31] <holden87> is it ubuntu online accounts 0.5?
[09:31] <holden87> or unity websites integration?
[09:31] <harpal> I have ubuntu harddisk mounted on /mnt/oldlinux directory. I am trying to remove libc6:i386 using command dpkg -P --force-all --root=/mnt/oldlinux libc6:i386
[09:31] <cfhowlett> holden87, ??? it's not related to ubuntu - it's a firefox dohickey
[09:31] <wasanzy> hello
[09:31] <cfhowlett> holden87, unless we're talking about different things
[09:31] <harpal> but it throws error about unable to execute installed post-removal script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:i386.postrm): No such file or directory
[09:32] <wasanzy> how do I check if a file or directory is a symbolic link?
[09:32] <holden87> no no, that's what the firefox addons are named in my addon list
[09:32] <holden87> but i don't know which is the right one
[09:32] <holden87> :D
[09:32] <harpal> while /mnt/oldlinux/var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6:i386.postrm file exists
[09:32] <strit> Hi guys. Quick question, with hopefully a quick answer. I'm creating my own .desktop files, but the icons I specify in the file will not show. Is there a special syntax for that, or must the icons be in a specific folder?
[09:32] <ObrienDave> fahadash... which picture?
[09:32] <jack> E: Internal Error, No file name for python3.2:i386
[09:32] <jack> :(
[09:33] <jack> old,it's quantal
[09:33] <fahadash> ObrienDave: http://www.howtogeek.com/55985/
[09:33] <harpal> I dont know why dpkg is not able to see that file while purging the package.
[09:34] <fahadash> ObrienDave: I am still seeing xfce layout on "Applications menu". Dont know how to customize that.
[09:34] <Wiz_KeeD> Do you guys recommend 12.04 or 13.04?
[09:34] <jack> 13.10 :P
[09:34] <fahadash> Wiz_KeeD: Not sure what is best but I use 12.04, I am a n00b.. 12.04 is LTS
[09:34] <holden87> Wiz_KeeD: 12.04, because 13.04 support is ending soon
[09:34] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah that's why I use it too
[09:35] <jack> saucy > *
[09:35] <Wiz_KeeD> soon? it hasn't been launched for that long :))
[09:35] <Wiz_KeeD> haha
[09:35] <holden87> It has only 9months support
[09:35] <Zerant> Desktop I User 13.10 and on my Server and HomeServer i habe 12.04 LTS Server
[09:35] <DJones> Wiz_KeeD: Life spans are only 9 months now apart from LTS releases which are 5 years
[09:35] <ObrienDave> fahadash... because they're being done by 2 different methods. neither one will look like the other
[09:36] <fahadash> ObrienDave: I got the bottom panel fine, applications menu button changed, window edges, folder icons changed... Can we even customize look n feel of Applications Menu ?
[09:36] <jack> E: Internal Error, No file name for python3.2:i386
[09:36] <jack> :(
[09:37] <fahadash> ObrienDave: Or would that be the question for #xfce
[09:38] <ObrienDave> fahadash... don't know, never tried. I like it the way Xubuntu is. It's more like classic Windows
[09:38] <fahadash> ObrienDave: I wanna give windows users the warm and fuzzy feeling while they switch to ubuntu
[09:39] <fahadash> But that is good so far... Thanks again everybody for their help
[09:39] <lalala_> hello world
[09:41] <Zerant> Hey guys i am trying to virtuallize my Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS with KVM and ipv6 does someone have tried it yet?
[09:41] <Zerant> i am not that good in ipv6 atm
[09:42] <wylde> !details > jack
[09:43] <pockerfa1e> Hello at all
[09:43] <cfhowlett> !saucy
[09:43] <cfhowlett> pockerfa1e, greetings
[09:43] <fahadash> lol
[09:44] <pockerfa1e> cfhowlett: thanks
[09:44] <fahadash> Does it come with Salamandar disease ?
[09:44] <jack> wylde: http://pastebin.com/Whd7wW15
[09:44] <cfhowlett> pockerfa1e, what's the issue?
[09:46] <HisaoNakai> Hey folks, Is there a cli/ncurses bittorrent client which renders graphs?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: graphs of what?
[09:46] <vlt> Hello. Two questions after upgrade to 13.10: How to add more workspaces? And how to cycle through the keyboard layouts? The settings dialog says “Super+Space” but that doesn’t change the layout (but shows the starter bar instead). Any idea?
[09:46] <HisaoNakai> (upload/download graphs, and maybe torrent progress graphs)
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: rtorrent has an ncurses UI
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: no idea about graphs
[09:47] <HisaoNakai> ActionParsnip: rtorrent hasn't been updated in years, right? o.o
[09:48] <vlt> HisaoNakai: Can’t confirm.
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: if you want a server you can remote manage, then transmision has a remote UI you can use :)
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: https://github.com/rakshasa/rtorrent/tree/master/src  updated 2 months ago, so no
[09:49] <jack> wylde: ping?
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: where did you get the idea that it hasn't been updated?
[09:49] <ObrienDave> HisaoNakai... you mean like bandwidth usage graphs?
[09:49] <HisaoNakai> ObrienDave: sorta
[09:50] <HisaoNakai> vlt: I see.
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: where did you get the idea that it hasn't been updated?
[09:50] <ObrienDave> don't know of one for Linux
[09:50] <HisaoNakai> ActionParsnip: Oh. Holy crap, i didn't know it was on github, I was looking at the Trac. x-P
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: simple websearch shows where it is ;)
[09:51] <wylde> jack, that's nice. Care to translate? :-P
[09:52] <HisaoNakai> ('simple websearch' puts me at the trac page as the first result :\)
[09:53] <caleb11223344556> yo, i installed ubuntu 13.04 onto my asus chromebook and it worked fine. afterwards i installed lxde and when i try to click on the lxde menu button the only things that come up are "run" and "logout". any ideas?
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: searched for 'rtorrent'  and got
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> libtorrent.rakshasa.no/.
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: under download: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/Download   there is Git and Subversion repos...
[09:54] <moopers> can someone help me with a simple question  or atleast point me in the right direction
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: which were updated 2 months ago
[09:54] <ActionParsnip> moopers: ask away
[09:54] <HisaoNakai> ActionParsnip: Yeah, I clicked 'browse source' in the top right corner x3
[09:54] <HisaoNakai> Site needs updating lol
[09:55] <moopers> im trying to copy 100gb of music to an external hd, however it seems my screensaver keeps interupting the file copy process
[09:55] <moopers> can i just write a script to move my mouse cursor a few pixels evrey couple min to keep it alive
[09:55] <moopers> if so   how
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> moopers: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[09:56] <OerHeks> moopers, try disablng disable screensaver/energy setting
[09:57] <moopers> ive tried most everything
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> moopers: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[09:57] <moopers> my option seemed like that last
[09:58] <wylde> jack, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2100265
[09:58] <wylde> jack, it's old but may help
[09:58] <jack> k. thx
[09:59] <moopers> anyone?
[09:59] <Linux> hello at all
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> moopers: I asked you a question...twice
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> moopers: you still haven't answered?
[10:02] <cfhowlett> Linux, greetings
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> moopers: its a simple terminal command, copy the output and paste to the channel
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> moopers: its a single line so is fine
[10:04] <vlt> Hello. A questions after upgrade to 13.10 (and Unity): How to add more workspaces?
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> vlt: in which shell / desktop?
[10:05] <vlt> ActionParsnip: Is there more than one Unity?
[10:06] <risro_> any ideas why I get "New ubuntu release '14.04' is available" when I run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && update-manager -d (I'm using 12.04 lts)?
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> vlt: you could be using LXDE, XFCE, KDE and so forth.
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> risro_: because the latest (d)evelopment release is 14.04
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> risro_: that's what the -d option does..
[10:07] <wylde> ActionParsnip, he did include (and Unity) in his initial question is what he's saying.
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> vlt: You could also have LXDE installed and be using that etc :)
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[10:07] <kristoffel_loos> list
[10:07] <risro_> ActionParsnip: ah ofcourse. thanks!
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> vlt: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/unity-quicklists-to-add-remove.html
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> risro_: man update-manager     is a good read
[10:08] <Wiz_KeeD> Guys, I followed this tutorial, downloaded latest 12.04 Desktop x64, did what the tutorial asked (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu) and now it's booting, showing a slight image of the ubuntu installation then goes to console and keeps printing undevd[194] timeout killing /sbin/modprobe -bv pci bla bla bla
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> vlt: http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2013/09/ubuntu-13-10-quick-tip-enable-workspaces-add-show-desktop-icon/
[10:08] <Wiz_KeeD> what does this mean? something to do with hardware??
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: what GPU do you use?
[10:08] <Wiz_KeeD> wait...it booted now but it gave all those errors
[10:08] <Wiz_KeeD> graphics card?
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: yes, the chip on the card. What is it?
[10:09] <Wiz_KeeD> there's a internal one Intel HD 4000 smth and there's a nvidia card as well
[10:09] <Wiz_KeeD> optimus technology smth
[10:09] <risro_> ActionParsnip: yeah I copied that line from the web and didn't think about the -d
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: try the boot option:  nouveau.blacklist=1
[10:10] <Wiz_KeeD> how can I set that on the usb stick ActionParsnip ?
[10:10] <Wiz_KeeD> when it's booting from that
[10:10] <Kyshtynbai> Hi guys! What version of gnome shell is in the repository in 13.10?
[10:10] <vlt> ActionParsnip: Thank you.
[10:10] <Wiz_KeeD> now the logo is loading but doesn't seem to be going anywhere
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-shell saucy | Kyshtynbai
[10:10] <Wiz_KeeD> the splash or what do you call it
[10:10] <Kyshtynbai> Thanks!
[10:11] <time1> hello everyone, recently when i click iso file in nautilus, it used to be automounted, but now it is opening with archiver, how to stop that and i like to automount media.  how to reset nautilus, i want to open iso file with archive mounter but  it is not displaying in the  list, archive manager is in the list and no browse button is there in the nautilus, open with dialog, how to get them back
[10:11] <vlt> A second question after upgrade to 13.10 (and Unity): How to cycle through the keyboard layouts? The settings dialog says “Super+Space” but that doesn’t change the layout (but shows the starter bar instead). Any idea?
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> ActionParsnip, what can I do when the stick does not even boot to the main screen? :(
[10:12] <Wiz_KeeD> Should I dread the fact that this laptop cannot work with ubuntu?
[10:12] <wylde> vlt, http://askubuntu.com/questions/362041/problem-setting-keyboard-shortcuts-after-upgrade-to-saucy
[10:13] <Wiz_KeeD> woah, it actually did but after a very long time
[10:13] <vlt> wylde: Thanks
[10:13] <wylde> vlt, also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-keyboard/+bug/1218322 , no problem
[10:14] <babinlonston> Did the OpenLDAP and LDAP or Different ?
[10:17] <DoeJohn> test
[10:18] <multi_io> how do you enable multiarch on 12.04?
[10:18] <multi_io> (I want to install skype)
[10:18] <ping-f-pong> go to skype.com and download version for linux
[10:18] <multi_io> yeah, did that
[10:19] <multi_io> skype-ubuntu-precise_4.2.0.11-1_i386.deb is the newest, I'm trying to install that
[10:19] <multi_io> (on an x86_64 system)
[10:19] <ThinkT510> !skype | multi_io
[10:20] <cfhowlett> multi_io, it's in the repos - software center
[10:21] <fahadash> Whats the code name for 12.4 LTS ?
[10:22] <fahadash> Saucy, Raring, Quantal, Precise
[10:22] <fahadash> Dont know which one is 12.04
[10:22] <wylde> fahadash, precise pangolin
[10:22] <cfhowlett> !precise|fahadash,
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> !nomodeset | Wiz_KeeD
[10:25] <Wiz_KeeD> ActionParsnip, I managed to get passed that and now installing updates
[10:25] <Wiz_KeeD> should be fine I guess no?
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> time1: mounty can mount ISOs in GUI
[10:26] <zetto123> anyone know how to get facebook chat system to work with empathy?
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: i guess, look into bumblebee to support your Optimus mess
[10:26] <time1> ActionParsnip: no, i mean, i was able to mount them in nautilus
[10:26] <BenNZ> hi still having trouble using the mini iso for precise , no matter what locale or mirror i use still gets stuck at downloading release file information , md5sum matches , and it doesnt matter whether i dd the image , use grub to boot the iso , or use vbox , anyone know what could be wrong?
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> time1: there are nautilus-scripts to add that functionality
[10:27] <time1> ActionParsnip: now, where they have gone
[10:27] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, and it still fails at the mirror selection?
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> time1: they are 3rd party, you'll find them online with ease
[10:28] <BenNZ> cfhowlett: just after with the release file download (same place as before)
[10:28] <napsc> Running 13.04: I just did the lastest update (not upgrade to 13.10).  It put the “Computer” “Home Folder” and “Trash Can” on the desktop (I don't keep icons on Desktop normally) and now they've disappeared.  Is that normal behavior?
[10:28] <time1> ActionParsnip: i don't know why they got uninstalled, i have not updated nautilus
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> time1: its not a default feature of nautilus
[10:28] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, man, I wish I knew what to say, but if it's not a mirror glitch, I'm out of idea.
[10:28] <BenNZ> cfhowlett: also tried with the saucy mini but that didnt even get that far
[10:28] <chro> my keyboard stop working when I upgraded my ubuntu to 13.10.
[10:29] <chro> it works with older kernels, but not with the latest one
[10:29] <time1> ActionParsnip: yesterday, i was using all of them, but now they are not there, what has happend to my system
[10:29] <chro> what can I do ?
[10:29] <time1> ActionParsnip: let me see
[10:29] <BenNZ> cfhowlett: i even tried quantal and raring and they failed at the same place as precise
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> chro: are there any bugs reported?
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> chro: does the system have a make and model?
[10:30] <BenNZ> cfhowlett: i cant figure it out either , perhaps theyre just not usuable
[10:30] <chro> ActionParsnip, yes there are
[10:30] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, are you on the internet with that box?  I wonder if you're blocked or routing blacklisted or something
[10:30] <Wiz_KeeD> ActionParsnip, if I have a ssd and a regular drive, I partitioned the ssd in half and the full harddrive for windows then installed ubuntu with "install ubuntu alongside windows" that means ubuntu is not installed on the ssd?
[10:30] <Wiz_KeeD> Because if I boot from ssd windows starts automatically, if i boot from the other hard-drive, grub starts...
[10:30] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, try a different internet connection
[10:30] <BenNZ> cfhowlett: yep same one im using now , and i tried on my laptop aswell
[10:30] <BenNZ> cfhowlett: router issue?
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: you can have grub in the MBR of any of the drives, it can boot multiple drives
[10:31] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, and ALL fail at the same point?  i'd suspect you've got an ISP /router setting then
[10:31] <wylde> BenNZ, I tested a mini.iso here and got the same.
[10:31] <cfhowlett> BenNZ, not hardware, not software
[10:31] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: normally it is on the same drive as the OSes etc, but its not 100% necessary
[10:31] <BenNZ> wylde: fails at the 'download release file' for you aswell?
[10:31] <FourFire> Hello is there a specialized OpenCL channel?
[10:31] <xxxman> 没中文？
[10:32] <wylde> BenNZ, immediatley after I select a mirror
[10:32] <cfhowlett> !cn|xxxman,
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> ActionParsnip, I just formated my normal drive will start the install once again, any suggestions on how to install ubuntu on ssd?
[10:32] <BenNZ> wylde: thats the same , then its just ubuntu havent made the iso's properly then
[10:32] <Wiz_KeeD> I left the other half of the ssd unpartitioned
[10:32] <xxxman> ths
[10:32] <BenNZ> wylde: not much i can do about that then
[10:32] <wylde> BenNZ, not sure about, this iso I've had for a bit and used before successfully
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: use the 'something else' option at install, you can set the partitions you wnat to use Ubuntu with and what function they will fulfil. Set the '/' partition as being on the SSD
[10:33] <wylde> BenNZ, testing it again right now
[10:33] <BenNZ> wylde: release file changed perhaps and they need to update the iso's
[10:33] <wylde> BenNZ, perhaps.
[10:33] <Zerant> hey guys i am trying to ping an ipv6 host with my ubuntu 12.04 LTS Server and allways gets connect: Network is unreachable does someone know this problem?
[10:33] <Wiz_KeeD> ActionParsnip, it's strange that I formated my regular hard-drive from windows yet when I set to boot from it ubuntu still starts
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> grub then ubuntu
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> that's mighty strange...
[10:34] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: you can install grub to the MBR of the SSD if you want
[10:34] <Wiz_KeeD> I have a feeling ubuntu is not curently installed on ssd it's taking like 10 seconds to shut down
[10:35] <wylde> BenNZ, just selected the Canadian mirror and it's hung on the purple screen
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: pretty normal...
[10:35] <Wiz_KeeD> windows takes 6 secconds to boot and less to shutdown
[10:35] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: so?
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: my xpud boots in 3 seconds
[10:36] <Wiz_KeeD> it's an indicative that ubuntu is not on ssd
[10:36] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: Its a totally different OS, it will behave differently
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> I was thinking that I install ubuntu on the ssd and keep the other hdd in windows that can be accessed from ubuntu as wel
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> let me see now
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: if you want, put /var and swap on the platter based drive too
[10:37] <magdur> test
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> !test | magdur
[10:37] <BenNZ> wylde: ok ive tried the us , aus , nz , fiji and there was another one , all fail at the same place , and youre having trouble with the canadian mirror , my guess is the release file has changed
[10:37] <Wiz_KeeD> ActionParsnip, i don't know what that means :))
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: you hear abouty people putting /home in a different partition, right?
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> I guess
[10:38] <Wiz_KeeD> But i'd keep it on the ssd to have things run super fast like server or a database
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: if you put /var on a partition on the platter based drive as well as the swap space, you will write less to your SSD and wear it out less
[10:38] <wylde> BenNZ, yep. Same issue with the canadian mirror
[10:39] <Wiz_KeeD> Yeah I heard about that
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: the kernel will keep things in RAM that you use a lot, much faster than your slow SSD
[10:39] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah yeah just read a few articles the other day
[10:40] <BenNZ> wylde: at least i know its nothing i have(nt) done , its an ubuntu problem
[10:40] <wylde> BenNZ, for the record it's a precise mini.iso
[10:40] <wylde> BenNZ, i386
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: if you plan partitions before installing, you'll find it easier
[10:40] <BenNZ> wylde: ive tried precise , raring , quantal 32 bit , all fail at the same place , for some reason saucy crashes earlier , but i believe its related
[10:41] <Wiz_KeeD> Well i am installing now, will click the "others" option but I'll need some help there I guess
[10:41] <wylde> BenNZ, reasonable assumption I think.
[10:42] <BenNZ> wylde: my only other thought was perhaps theyre looking for the medibuntu repo's
[10:42] <zetto123> i have a strange network problem in 13.10 didn't have this problem before. but when i connect to a wireless network with auth. PEAP i get dced all the time and gets really unstable internet. anyone know the solution for this?
[10:42] <Denyerec> Which is better performance wise, parsing find results with -exec, or using -print and then xargs?
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  id say use -exec,
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> less processes ;)  less redundancy
[10:43] <wylde> BenNZ, shouldn't matter. I don't think anything the mini iso installs comes from medibuntu
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> medibuntu was never official. so i dont see how any official iso would be using it.
[10:44] <Denyerec> While we're here...
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> its also dead
[10:44] <Denyerec> I copied some TTF's to /usr/share/fonts/
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> as in..medibuntu, the repo is disabled
[10:45] <Denyerec> now my "ubuntu" top left, and many items in the UI, are non-printing boxes.
[10:45]  * wylde nods
[10:45] <cfhowlett> medibuntu is gone.  use ubuntu-restricted-extras
[10:45] <Denyerec> Bear in mind I did not set these fonts for use
[10:45] <Wiz_KeeD> Idk what to do now ActionParsnip :))
[10:45] <Denyerec> just moved them to the fonts folder
[10:45] <vikky> i need a portable php apache mysql linux server plz help
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:   they overwrote fonts that were llready there?
[10:46] <BenNZ> wylde: i didnt think so , but other than that , the release file , cant think of anything else that would cause this
[10:46] <Wiz_KeeD> there is only one dev/sdc6/ swap 8419mb and 0 used I have no idea wich that one is
[10:46] <Denyerec> Nah I checked, they're all fonts I own from Windows, nothing that was on Ubuntu previously.
[10:46] <Denyerec> I've done fc-cache -rv  just in case
[10:46] <Denyerec> no dice
[10:46] <Denyerec> Maybe it's the VM glitching out and I should just reoot,
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:   i would have put them in the users .fonts directory
[10:46] <Denyerec> reboot.
[10:46] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: sudo fdisk -l   will tell you which disk is which
[10:46] <Denyerec> I wanted them globally available to all users
[10:46] <OerHeks> vikky, install ubuntu server on your usb device ?
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  and there are packages in teh repos to install the ms core fonts
[10:46] <Wiz_KeeD> i'm in the ubuntu installer in others now ActionParsnip
[10:46] <Denyerec> I have the core fonts.
[10:46] <Denyerec> Sadly I wanted a little more than comic sans and times new roman :)
[10:47] <Denyerec> (Segoe, Tahoma and Consolas)
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  check the fonts names.. sounds like you overwrote some defaults somehow.
[10:47] <vikky> sir i have ana pplication php which i will run on linux
[10:47] <vikky> so i will be giving this app to a client
[10:47] <Denyerec> The top level /fonts/ folder was empty tho Doc
[10:47] <Denyerec> It contained only folders
[10:47] <vikky> i need a portable apache mysql web server
[10:47] <vikky> which is porta ble
[10:47] <Denyerec> so I just popped the TTFs in there alongside said folders
[10:48] <racho> zetto123, i think this may be relevant to you https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1104476
[10:48] <vikky> does someone has it portable
[10:48] <Denyerec> Just to be sure I'll restart the VM as Unity can freak out inside there sometimes.
[10:48] <Wiz_KeeD> so dev sdb1 ntfs is the platter disk with 1tb size and 3221 used (even though I've formatted it from windows
[10:48] <Denyerec> OK yeah it was a VM freakout - apologies for th etime used Dr Willis
[10:48] <Wiz_KeeD> the other is dev/sdc sdc1 ntffs sd2 ntfs sdc5 ext4 and sdc6 swap
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  ;)
[10:49] <Denyerec> Do you know of any decent file managers BTW?
[10:49] <Denyerec> I use Diurectory Opus on windows
[10:49] <Wiz_KeeD> so I guess it's installed on the ssd after all but grub is on the platter one?
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> !info mc
[10:49] <Denyerec> it leaves Nautilus feeling like a box of crayons
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  'gentoo' is a similer dual pane file manager. theres a few others in teh repos
[10:49] <thorin39> mc the best
[10:49] <Denyerec> Cool
[10:49] <Denyerec> I shall check out both
[10:49] <Denyerec> MC looks like it's cmdline
[10:49] <racho> it is
[10:50] <Denyerec> if I was happy there, I'd not have bothered with Unity ;)
[10:50] <racho> ncurses interfaces
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> of course it is. ;)
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> mc+ssh  = :) handy
[10:50] <man0riaX> Hello everybody
[10:50] <Denyerec> True
[10:50] <Denyerec> Very true
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> mc has so many features i bet i dont even know 1/3 of them
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> and ive used it for years
[10:51] <Denyerec> I wish Directory Opus was available on Linux.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  ir ecall some clones to it in the repos.
[10:51] <Denyerec> It's hands down the best and most useful peice of software ever conceived.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> I recall that onmy amiga decades ago. ;)
[10:51] <Denyerec> See?
[10:51] <Denyerec> Strong legacy.
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> and as i said.. theres SEVERAL int eh repos that are similer
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> i just use mc instead of them ;)
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> !info gentoo
[10:52] <Denyerec> Krusader is another
[10:52] <Denyerec> though that might need KDE?
[10:52] <BenNZ> wylde: managed to find this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2158954&p=12714144#post12714144 , but fuck waiting overnight to get to the next screen
[10:53] <wylde> BenNZ, careful with the language please. Although I agree.
[10:53] <BenNZ> wylde: oops sorry
[10:54] <BenNZ> wylde: just have to wait for ubuntu to make them usuable i suppose
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> theres perhaps half a dozen or so 2 pane file managers
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> some are very old. :)
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> !info filerunner
[10:54] <wylde> BenNZ, perhaps. I might dig at it for something to do.
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> Oh no.. not in the repos.  - that one was written in tcl/tk
[10:54] <Denyerec> Is it possible to add entries to the right click menu ?
[10:54] <fahadash> Positive side of getting ubuntu looking like windows, A lot of people will be saved from viruses whenever they think dialer.exe was the s3x tape of their favorite artist
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  nautilus has its Nautilus Scripts feature
[10:55] <Denyerec> I don't have the time to rebuild Dopus in Nautilus scripts :)
[10:55] <vikky> plz help me
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: if you add locations as bookmarks, they will appear in the left panel
[10:55] <Denyerec> No, I want a "terminal" entry in the right click menu
[10:55] <vikky> i need a portable php mysql apache server for linux
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> vikky: without knowing your issue, how can we
[10:55] <Denyerec> Not a location, per-se
[10:55] <NullVoxPopuli> Hi, I'm having a problem with my graphics, and I need this computer for work. If anyone could help, that would be great. I just upgraded to 13.10, and now lightdm is either black, or goes into low graphics mode. Using onboard motherboard / i5 graphics
[10:55] <vikky> im telling u
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  use the apckage manager and search for dual pane file  manager. ;
[10:55] <Denyerec> plus the launcher bar is cluttered, and autohide doesn;t work
[10:55] <fahadash> vikky: Did you check xampp ?
[10:55] <vikky> i have a php application
[10:55] <Denyerec> I'm installing them all now Dr_Willis
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> theres some package that adds a terminal here... menu item to nautilus
[10:55] <vikky> xampp is not portable
[10:56] <vikky> i want portable
[10:56] <Dr_Willis> or just use  somthing like guake
[10:56] <vikky> i will give it to client
[10:56] <fahadash> vikky: Why you need a portable server-set ?
[10:56]  * ActionParsnip loves guake
[10:56] <vikky> to give app to a client
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> vikky: have you asked in #lamp
[10:56] <NullVoxPopuli> ActionParsnip: Ubuntu 13.10 \n \l
[10:56] <Wiz_KeeD> what guake?
[10:56] <vikky> ya they say they dont have something likt that
[10:56] <fahadash> vikky: If its a php web application you can host it and give clients the www address right ?
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: drop down terminal, like the tilde menu in Quake. Hides and shows on shortcut key
[10:57] <vikky> no sir
[10:57] <vikky> i dont want to do that
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: do you use a switchable gpu (with an nvidia in there too)
[10:57] <vikky> i will give a php desktop application
[10:57] <fahadash> Its funny, you wanna ship a php web application + mysql database as a desktop application
[10:57] <Dr_Willis> 'php desktop application' sounds sort of.. well.. wrong in my mind...
[10:57] <vlt> Hello. I want to install grub on a new disk. I tried `grub-install --recheck /dev/sdc` but I get "/usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: your core.img is unusually large.  It won't fit in the embedding area. \n /usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for RAID and LVM install." Any idea what could be the problem here?
[10:57] <racho> vikky, create a virtual image with a LAMP stack copy the .vdi and carry it around on a usb stick
[10:57] <fahadash> +1 Dr_Willis
[10:57] <NullVoxPopuli> ActionParsnip: Nope, it's a desktop motherboard, with a 3.4GHz i5 (I think that's the speed). I think the onboard graphics are called HD 3000
[10:58] <fahadash> vikky: You should rewrite the application in GTK+
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: is the OS fully updated?
[10:58] <vikky> racho i didnot understand what u said
[10:58] <Denyerec> On windows I used Beyond Compare for diff
[10:58] <vikky> plz explain
[10:58] <Denyerec> (It;s awesome, by the way)
[10:58] <Denyerec> I know there are many, many diff frontends on linux
[10:58] <Denyerec> but is one considered "The Best" ?
[10:58] <Denyerec> (As BC is on Windows)
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: none
[10:58] <vikky> racho : help me
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: there is no single 'best' for anything
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> !best
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> This is the best channe however. ;)
[10:59] <Denyerec> Ok so a different approach
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> channel
[10:59] <NullVoxPopuli> ActionParsnip: just ran this: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo service lightdm restart;   Still low-graphics mode
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: if there was the others would die off as they would not be used as one is best over all
[10:59] <Denyerec> Is there a comparable program to Beyond Compare on linux ?
[10:59] <vlt> vlt: I think I solved it. I moved the begin of sdc1 a bit further ==> error gone.
[10:59] <Wiz_KeeD> fdisk -l didn't work ActionParsnip
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: why not just use diff in CLI
[11:00] <Denyerec> OOH OOH
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> Wiz_KeeD:  you did do a 'sudo fdisk -l' or 'sudo blkid'
[11:00] <Denyerec> ActionParsnip - If I was happy in the CLI I wouldn't bother with Ubuntu.
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> !find colordiff
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Wiz_KeeD: saying 'didnt work' tells us nothing at all
[11:00] <Denyerec> Turns out Beyond Compare has a linux build!
[11:00] <Denyerec> Happy days :D
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  man up and learn the cli. ;)
[11:00] <Denyerec> Hopefully my licence transfers.
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> !info colordiff
[11:00] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, do you have a discrete gpu or it's just the internal intel one?
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Compare it runs in Linux too
[11:00] <vikky> plz anyone help me
[11:00] <vikky> im having trouble
[11:00] <Denyerec> Yeah I just discovered this :D
[11:01] <vikky> i want to create portable web application in php
[11:01] <gvo> !info gvimdiff
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> http://www.scootersoftware.com/bcompare-3.3.8.16340_i386.deb
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> vikky:  the idea of making a 'portable' php app. is just a bit weird. people are saying set up a mini system that runs in a VM to handle it.
[11:01] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, I'm using just the internal intel one. I /had/ a GPU, but I disconnected it, as NVidia causes problems a lot of the time, and I wanted to eliminate drivers being the issue
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: I had no idea about this, yet using the power of websearching I found that file
[11:02] <Denyerec> Didn't think you could run .debs on ubuntu?
[11:02] <Denyerec> I downloaded the tar source to build
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> Denyerec:  err.. ubuntu uses .debs
[11:02] <Denyerec> Oh
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> edgars: you dont run debs, you install them
[11:02] <Denyerec> Colour me silly
[11:02] <Denyerec> I was thinking of RPM
[11:02] <Denyerec> :)
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: how do you think you get updated?
[11:02] <FloodBot1> Denyerec: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> !manual | Denyerec
[11:02] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, it's a long shot but usually hybrid systems have an option in the bios about witch gpu to use? could it be set to nvidia still?
[11:02] <NullVoxPopuli> racho and ACtionParsnip: my lightdm.log says Seat: Steopping; failed to start a greeter
[11:02] <HisaoNakai> !google | ActionParsnip
[11:03] <HisaoNakai> x)
[11:03] <vikky> Dr_Willis ,sir i want to have a server like server2go(it is for windows)
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> HisaoNakai: you read too far between the lines
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> vikky:   never heard  of it.. neer used it..
[11:03] <NullVoxPopuli> racho: I turned off the PCI slot that the gtx 650 is attached to. The monitor wouldn't turn on otherwise. I can only use the graphics card OR the motherboard DVI port. it doesn't let me use both
[11:04] <Denyerec> ActionParsnip - I was confusing it with RPM as they supply one of those also.
[11:04] <Denyerec> I am aware of yum, apt, etc.
[11:04] <ntg-work> my add a new printer button is greyed out, are there any packages that i need to install ?
[11:04] <Denyerec> But had to wrestle with RPM's at my last workplace.
[11:04] <wylde> vikky, make a bootable usb with persistance and install the lamp stack there? Just a thought.
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: apt uses deb files....
[11:04] <Denyerec> Just got my brain crosswired.
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> ntg-work:  try the cups web interface?
[11:04] <Denyerec> I know
[11:04] <Denyerec> I am trying to relate to you
[11:04] <ntg-work> Dr_Willis: cups web interface? I'll look into that
[11:04] <Denyerec> That I am aware of this, and you have jumped on simple confusion.
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: well they make debs, so you are good :)
[11:04] <Denyerec> :)
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: i recommend you learn how to use diff, you will be able to use a standard command then, in any UNIX / Linux system as diff is diff.
[11:05] <HisaoNakai> vikky: You're probably looking at apache, lighttd or nginx. Read the documentation at library.linode.com . howtoforge.com is also useful at times. duckduckgo the rest. Any problems, ask on IRC :)
[11:05] <ntg-work> Dr_Willis: ooh sexy, thank you.
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: rather then some GUI app which may not be available
[11:05] <Denyerec> I can struggle by on the cmdline for simple stuff
[11:05] <Denyerec> but 3 way merges from Git on cmdline is pure hell fo rme
[11:06] <Denyerec> THe vimdiff interface is atrocious
[11:06] <Denyerec> That's why I got BeyondCompare in the first place :)
[11:06] <ActionParsnip> Denyerec: it limits your skills, using standard apps means more transferable ability. Your choice though
[11:07] <killer> hey , where is the location of .deb packages (that are installed on system)
[11:07] <Denyerec> Sometimes you need to merge the code and move on, rather than learn a new language :)
[11:07] <Denyerec> (I do appreciate your point, however)
[11:07] <vikky> HisaoNakai, Sir i want to have a server2go like server
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> killer:  no  where.. unless they are cached in /var/cache/apt/
[11:08] <vikky> server2go is for windows
[11:08] <vikky> it didnt need any installation
[11:08] <killer> Dr_Willis: exactly , thanx
[11:08] <HisaoNakai> vikky: That means it was pre installed. Everything has to be installed lol
[11:08] <Dr_Willis> killer:  dont rely on them being there for very long. they can get cleaned out. ;)
[11:08] <NullVoxPopuli> ActionParsnip, racho, any ideas?
[11:08] <HisaoNakai> vikky: India se ho?
[11:09] <vikky> jya
[11:09] <vikky> ya
[11:09] <vikky> hisaonakai
[11:09] <vikky> i am from india
[11:09] <Dr_Willis> vikky:  were you fighting with Java in here just a few days ago?
[11:10] <vikky> no sir
[11:10] <HisaoNakai> vikky: Heh, same. Use the guides on library.linode.com . a quick fix solution is unlikely to help here...
[11:12] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, i suppose it has something to do with .Xauthority but i never had this issue. you may try to purge lightdm and then reinstall it
[11:12] <vikky> HisaoNakai, have u done some research on it
[11:12] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, I'll give that a go. one sec
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> you can remove the .Xauthority file and let it get remade if its an issue
[11:12] <HisaoNakai> vikky: aap #ubuntu-server main bhi koshish kar sakte hain, lekin jawab badalne ki gunjayish nahin hai. I'm a newbie webadmin of sorts.
[11:14] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, i suggest installing gdm then dpkg-reconfigure to gdm, then purge lightdm and then the reverse (dpgk-reconf lightm and purge gdm)
[11:14] <ntg-work> mfw printing on linux (ubuntu) works without problems
[11:14] <ntg-work> thanks for the cups web interface tip
[11:14] <vikky> Hisonakai, mera project atka hua hai
[11:14] <vikky> kya karun??
[11:15] <grimeton> vikky: E_WRONG_LANGUAGE
[11:15] <vikky> i want portable web server??
[11:15] <cfhowlett> !hi
[11:15] <vikky> for linux includingn php,mysql
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> and no one in here seems to have seen one for linux vikky
[11:16] <NullVoxPopuli> oh yeah
[11:16] <vikky> :(
[11:16] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, I'm getting a ton of you have held broken packages errors.
[11:16] <wylde> vikky, you're not going to find a drop in. Have you made any attempts using the suggestions you were given?
[11:16] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, I tried installing gdm, said I needed gnome-shell first.. .but it is not going to be installed
[11:17] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, i tried installing gnome-shell, it listed 6 other dependencies that aren't going to be installed
[11:17] <NullVoxPopuli> :-(
[11:17] <vikky> i made aatempts for portable apache
[11:17] <vikky> but nothing worked
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: are they from a PPA by any chance?
[11:17] <vikky> path is the main problem
[11:17] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, can you re-install lightdm?
[11:17] <vikky> path and permission in ubuntu are problems
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> vikky: never had an issue
[11:18] <NullVoxPopuli> ActionParsnip, maybe? maybe not? I thought everything came from a ppa?
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> the idea that 'portable apps' on linux . are i think the core of the problem
[11:18] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, yeah, I already did a purge and reinstall of lightdm, no dice
[11:18] <vikky> thats why i have raised  this problem
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: no, the normal updates come from repositories, those are the official packags made by canonical
[11:18] <vikky> if u have one portable server plz give me
[11:18] <vikky> i have tried all
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: PPAs are packages made by some guy on his PC and published to a PPA
[11:19] <grimeton> vikky: define "portable"
[11:19] <vikky> its in windows but not for buntu
[11:19] <vikky> portable means once i give this app to anyone
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> vikky: i dont know what a portable server is
[11:19] <vikky> it will run no configuration nothing required
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> vikky: by definition, servers stay still and users connect to them
[11:19] <grimeton> vikky: you want a virtualization solution
[11:19] <vikky> portable server is once downloaded run
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> vikky: why would you want a portable server?>
[11:19] <grimeton> vikky: e.g. an image for virtual box or something
[11:19] <vikky> to sell my app without clients work
[11:20] <vikky> i can give virtual box image
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> vikky: yes apache and sql do that, post install the services are told to run, as well as being added to the startup of the system so they run at bootup
[11:20] <vikky> server2go is there but for windows
[11:20] <grimeton> problem solved
[11:20] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, can you dump the whole lightdm.log
[11:20] <vikky> my quseion is is there a server2go like for linux
[11:20]  * Dr_Willis imagines how easially a 'portable' app would break...
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> vikky: then they need to install the service on the system, then you add the service data
[11:21] <Dr_Willis> vikky:  checked on askubuntu.com yet ?
[11:21] <vikky> action , this thing is already done in server2go
[11:21] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, and ActionParsnip: I'm removing all my extra ppas (wayland daily, ricotz-testing-saucy, ubuntu-x-swat-x-updates, xorg-edgers
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> vikky: the services you are talking about are in pretty much every mainstream Linux distribution, so they can install the service then copy in your data
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> vikky: I cant see a single issue here
[11:21] <grimeton> vikky: distribute server2go inside a virtualbox windows image - problem solved ;) hrr hrr
[11:22] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, you're on 13.10? why do you keep xorg-edgers if you don't have a discrete gpu
[11:22] <vikky> man the problem is that
[11:22] <ObrienDave> OMG I just HAD to play with the "make it look like Win7" stuff. dummy me LOL
[11:22] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, yeah, I'll dump teh lightdm log in a few.  also, for xorg-edgers, i was trying /everything/ yesterday
[11:22] <wylde> meh, learn to package, include the lmap stack as dependency, and a post install script that installs your webapp, corrects perms and sets the appropriate settings in the lamp stack. Package is and have an installable .deb
[11:22] <vikky> the server will run some linux programs too
[11:22] <vikky> now tell me
[11:22] <vikky> this server will run programs from linux
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> vikky: yes, install the services and then import your data, done
[11:22] <vikky> actionparsnip
[11:23] <vikky> will my client do that
[11:23] <vikky> 'i want one click to go and nothing else
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> 'linux programs' is a bit vague
[11:23] <vikky> it is product not for my friend
[11:23] <NullVoxPopuli> racho: paste.ubuntu.com/6294377/
[11:23] <vikky> i want just a server2go like for linux
[11:23] <ActionParsnip> vikky: then you can make a deb, with the services as dependancies
[11:23] <grimeton> vikky: you want to distribute a virtualized linux image
[11:23] <wylde> vikky, then write one?
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> vikky:  i doubt if 'one click and it goes' is going to happen with out a lot of work on your part
[11:23] <Ben64> "portable server" and "server2go" are vague too
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> vikky: do you think people running MS SQl server have this? Or Windows IIS web servers?
[11:24] <vikky> ok let me explain whole problem
[11:24] <grimeton> maybe an ootb linux container
[11:24] <vikky> i have dep packages
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> vikky: no, they install the sevrice then the devs import their data, is completely normal
[11:24] <vikky> i will install them on client machine
[11:24] <vikky> and the software installed will be rujn with help opg web gui
[11:24] <vikky> plz state if there is a server
[11:24] <vikky> or if i can make one
[11:24] <vikky> withut any virtual thing
[11:24] <Ben64> could you define "rujn with help opg web gui"
[11:24] <ActionParsnip> vikky: yes, install lamp as always, it will give you the server
[11:25] <vikky> lampp is not portable
[11:25] <vikky> what are u talking about
[11:25] <vikky> i have used it
[11:25] <vikky> i tried to make it portable but nothing happened
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> vikky: unless the server does not have web access (unlikely) it will be able to install the packages needed via their package sources
[11:25] <ActionParsnip> vikky: won't they
[11:25] <vikky> i will be giving debs for other softwares
[11:25] <wylde> vikky, then package your "web app". Seriously. http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/packaging-new-software.html
[11:25] <vikky> and my gui will operate them
[11:25] <Ben64> 1. what do you mean by "portable" 2. why do you need it "portable"
[11:26] <vikky> easy for client
[11:26] <ObrienDave> vikky... do you mean something like install the server on a USB stick?
[11:26] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, now that I've cleared my extra ppas, I can install gdm
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> vikky: why not use the package repos, like normal installs of any packages?
[11:26] <vikky> my god portable is for making client ease
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> vikky: lots easier
[11:26] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, can you also dump /var/log/lightdm/x-1-greeter.log
[11:26] <vikky> usb stick is good
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> 'portable' means differnt things to everyone in here.
[11:26] <vikky> but what when my client installs on machine
[11:26] <vikky> thats main problem
[11:27] <Ben64> i can pick up my desktop computer, move it to another room. that is portable
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> vikky: using the web is much easier and will be sure it is the latest version available to the distribution
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> vikky: you are fixing a non-existant problem
[11:27] <vikky> portable means it is a webserver that can run directly from cdrom without installation
[11:27] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, gdm actually got me into my desktop... so.. that's good. I'll get you that file though. I'm still curious why lightdm doesn't work
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> then you wouldebnt be supplying it as a .deb  if it was portable
[11:27] <wylde> vikky, if you simply learn to package your "web app" as a .deb. The all you need to carry is the mywebapp.deb as long as you package with the lamp stack as a dependency.
[11:28] <Ben64> why would you possibly need to run a websever from cd
[11:28] <ObrienDave> because she wants to?
[11:28] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, i guess it may be some version/package clash between official packages and ppa packages
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a huge security hole also.
[11:28] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, one of the biggest offenders is X
[11:28] <NullVoxPopuli> I hate X
[11:29] <vikky> ok
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> its just dumb, what is the customer uses Puppy? or gentoo? How will you run it from there?
[11:29] <NullVoxPopuli> racho, I can't wait for Mir or Wayland to actually get some traction
[11:29] <vikky> now i have web app in php
[11:29] <vikky> im not hosting it
[11:29] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, soon we'll all bask in Wayland
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> vikky: its not feasible to take into account all eventualities
[11:29] <vikky> thats the main problem
[11:29]  * wylde *sigh*
[11:29] <vikky> thats what im asking
[11:29] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, i actually run wayland no
[11:29] <racho> *now
[11:29] <vikky> the problem is that i want a server2go
[11:29] <vikky> plz if anyone knows that tell me
[11:29] <NullVoxPopuli> racho: I tried doing that yesterday, but I ended up not getting anywhere.
[11:29] <vikky> or if u dont see server2go
[11:30] <vikky> i want that type of server
[11:30] <vikky> Server2go a portable web server
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> vikky: the OS you are using is far and above more complex then WIndows, You can knock this all on the head by having the services install on a server
[11:30] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, i'm on fedora 20.. don't know what is the situation in ubuntu land
[11:30] <Ben64> or write the application better so it doesn't need a webserver to function...
[11:30] <vikky> ActionParsnip i will do as u say
[11:30] <NullVoxPopuli> I think ubuntu things are a little /too/ tightly integrated with one another
[11:30] <vikky> just fullfill what i want
[11:30] <ActionParsnip> vikky: as this will install for whatever distribution and architecture they are using
[11:30] <NullVoxPopuli> I may be swiching to Arch at somepoint... so.. idk
[11:30] <vikky> i want my client one click and run app
[11:31] <humanoids> hi
[11:31] <wylde> vikky, no one has seen it. You're either going to have to search for it, or write one yourself.
[11:31] <vikky> one lcik app starts now tell me
[11:31] <vikky> ok
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> vikky: then make one for WIndows...
[11:31] <humanoids> i tried to start unreal and it needs libsdl
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> for Linxu
[11:31] <vikky> thats what u would have said earlier
[11:31] <vikky> ok bye
[11:31] <ntg-work> vikky: you want to make an app that uses a webserver?
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> vikky: with all the architectures, for all distributions/
[11:31] <humanoids> then i tried to get to install the ia32libs but it won't work
[11:31] <vikky> lots of problem solved
[11:31] <vikky> bye
[11:31] <ActionParsnip> vikky: ood luck
[11:31] <NullVoxPopuli> oh, whaddaya know. I just found an article saying lightdm and gnome don't work together in 13.10
[11:31] <NullVoxPopuli> great
[11:31] <NullVoxPopuli> lol
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> NullVoxPopuli:  Hmm.. cant say ive noticed any issues.. been using them since beta
[11:32] <NullVoxPopuli> hmm
[11:32] <racho> NullVoxPopuli, did you have the gnome ppa activated?
[11:32] <NullVoxPopuli> in 13.04, yeah
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> i might be using GDM to launch both however.. im not sure what i got going right now
[11:32] <NullVoxPopuli> the upgrade removed a bunch of my ppas
[11:32] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: then tahts why
[11:32] <racho> 13.04 and 13.10 use gnome 3.8 but afaik the gnome ppa is set to 3.10
[11:32] <racho> so expect the unexpected
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> NullVoxPopuli: you can get gnome-shell from the Ubuntu repos
[11:33] <racho> ^ this. remove the ppa and sync the gnome packages with the official repos
[11:34] <ObrienDave> NullVoxPopuli... they aren't removed, just disabled
[11:34] <racho> humanoids, then install libsdl
[11:35] <humanoids> its installed but only the 64bit
[11:35] <racho> you can install the 32bit besides it
[11:35] <Ben64> humanoids: which "unreal" are you starting
[11:35] <humanoids> unreal
[11:35] <Ben64> yeah... which
[11:35] <humanoids> unreal 99 (not tournament)
[11:36] <Ben64> if you put :i386 after the package name, it'll get the 32 bit version
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> humanoids: M-M-M-M-Monster kill!
[11:36] <humanoids> no monster kill
[11:37] <humanoids> its not tournament
[11:37] <humanoids> its unreal return to napali
[11:37] <racho> unreal + return to na pali
[11:37] <humanoids> coop not that stupid death match thing
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> head Shot!? ;)
[11:39] <racho> back in the days when pentium 2 was a mean machine :)
[11:39] <Dr_Willis> Yep.
[11:39] <grimeton> yeah, dual p2
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> I got some of the old Unreal games as part of a Steam Collection pack.
[11:40] <Dr_Willis> So this is an open sourced project you are refering to?
[11:40] <ObrienDave> my first PC was a 286 25Mhz LOL
[11:40] <grimeton> 286 that fast? really?
[11:41] <humanoids> my first computer? a zx spectrum
[11:41] <racho> mine was pentium 2 MMX 350 with a voodoo banshee....great times back then
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> humanoids:  I still have one of those.. hanging on the wall.
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> oh wait. thats a timex sinclare. ;)
[11:42] <humanoids> i still use z80 computer
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> microwave oven, ;)
[11:42] <ObrienDave> Dr_Willis... i bought one of those LMAO
[11:43] <humanoids> nah TNC
[11:43] <zexcriz> what is virtualhost ?
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> CP/M ! ;)
[11:43] <grimeton> Terminal Node Controller
[11:43] <iceroot> zexcriz: sounds like apache2
[11:44] <grimeton> humanoids: are the basic ones still made with z80s?
[11:44] <hitsujiTMO> zexcriz: that's a question better asked in #httpd
[11:44] <zexcriz> ok
[11:44] <Juan22> org
[11:44] <humanoids> grimeton i don't know maybe TNC2 based ones
[11:45] <humanoids> today they are used for APRS
[11:45] <grimeton> humanoids: last time i remember the tnc2s have been discontinued and they switched to smaller structures
[11:46] <lesshaste> when I save something as eps from gimp the quality is terrible. How can you make it "full quality"
[11:46] <grimeton> lesshaste: modify the quality settings before you store the picture?
[11:46] <lesshaste> grimeton, how do you do that? I have it opennow
[11:46] <humanoids> grimeton those from symek?
[11:47] <wylde> lesshaste, I bet #gimp would know
[11:47] <grimeton> lesshaste: go on save as and then a dialogue should open op
[11:47] <grimeton> humanoids: eww, it's at least 15 years ago ... don't remember
[11:47] <lesshaste> grimeton, save as doesn't give sensible options.. only export
[11:47] <lesshaste> grimeton, I mean export lists eps but save doesn't
[11:47] <grimeton> lesshaste: then use that ;)
[11:47] <grimeton> i wonder if the gimp on os x is that different
[11:48] <lesshaste> grimeton, there are no quality options
[11:48] <humanoids> no its like linux
[11:48] <lesshaste> wylde, sadly they are asleep or dead :)
[11:49] <ObrienDave> *correction* my first PC was a 386 25Mhz LOL
[11:50] <ObrienDave> IBM compatable, that is
[11:50] <grimeton> lesshaste: hm, i get a postscript dialog where i can seet multiple stuff
[11:50] <lesshaste> grimeton, anything related to quality?
[11:50] <lesshaste> grimeton, I get things like rotation
[11:50] <lesshaste> grimeton, and if I want a preview
[11:51] <RarrikinsRarriki> How do I randomize my computer's DHCP name?
[11:51] <grimeton> lesshaste: when i look at the exported eps at the same size the original png was the quality isn't really nice - you're right
[11:51] <grimeton> lesshaste: and i don't see anything regarding to quality options
[11:51] <lesshaste> grimeton, :(
[11:52] <lesshaste> grimeton, google doesn't help me either with this
[11:52] <vlt> Hello. After rebooting and logging in my volume control is back to really hurting 100%. How can I fix this?
[11:53] <grimeton> lesshaste: did you try libmagick?
[11:53] <grimeton> lesshaste: convert command?
[11:54] <lesshaste> grimeton, yes.. same problem
[11:54] <grimeton> lesshaste: looks like it's a postscript problem then ?
[11:54] <lesshaste> grimeton, I don't think so
[11:54] <lesshaste> grimeton, postscript can just contain the raw bitmap wrapped up in principle
[11:55] <bagz> hey , I'm trying to kill wpa_supplicant, but each time i try it respawns autmotically, is there any process that could be restarting it?
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> vlt:  i recall seeing mention of some cli tools at askubuntu.com that can 'save' the  mixer state.
[11:55] <grimeton> lesshaste: hm
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> vlt:  someone was asking about it last week i recall seeing  askbuntu.com showing several ways to set  the levels at boot time
[11:56] <wylde> bagz, I would suspect network manager
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> vlt:  somthing like alsactrl store/restore
[11:57] <bagz> wylde, thanks
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[11:57] <grimeton> lesshaste: maybe this is the key: http://www.tek-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=1190558
[11:58] <lesshaste> grimeton, it doesn't really contain any information
[11:58] <grimeton> lesshaste: it tells you that gimp is the wrong tool for the job
[11:59] <lesshaste> grimeton, that's just unhelpful in this case
[12:00] <lesshaste> grimeton, It's a picture.. someone else needs it in eps. End of stroy
[12:00] <lesshaste> story
[12:00] <pablo_> hello all
[12:01] <pablo_> I have a eeepc asus 1225C with ubuntu 13.04 amd64 ; my problem is the light of the screen ; it don't go pls help me
[12:02] <Void> hello, im having a problem with ubuntu after an employee update the system now when i click on any menu it  doesdn dessapear and stay stick to the screen ... the same when i pass the mouse over an icon it shows a description but remain stick to the screen any help to solve it ?
[12:03] <makara> hi. I'm trying to determine the total bandwidth cost of a "git pull" command. Is there a program that can do this in the form 'app git pull' ?
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> Void: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> Void: if you make a fresh Ubuntu user, is it the same?
[12:04] <Void> 1) ubuntu 12.04.03 LTS /n /s
[12:05] <Void> that ubuntu machine is into a domain if i enter with a new user ... the same history
[12:05] <Void> *story
[12:07] <Rory> makara: The closest thing I could think would be nethogs although it doesn't work exactly like you want http://www.tecmint.com/nethogs-monitor-per-process-network-bandwidth-usage-in-real-time/
[12:07] <rossmoore> Hi. I'm looking for some support with installing Ubuntu. I'm an experienced user of Ubuntu, but the 13.10 DVD simply will not even boot
[12:07] <rossmoore> Is this a widespread problem?
[12:08] <k1l> rossmoore: no. make sure the md5 is right in first place
[12:08] <rossmoore> md5 is definitely correct
[12:08] <rossmoore> I have tried grub n iso, usb stick and dvd
[12:08] <rossmoore> and have double-checked the md5
[12:08] <rossmoore> the system is currently running 13.04
[12:09] <vlt> Which key (combination) opens the shutdown dialog on Ubuntu 13.10 Unity?
[12:09] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: in what way exactly will it not boot? does it get skipped over by the bios?
[12:09] <rossmoore> i have 5 drives on the machine, I've seen a hint somewhere that multiple drives might be a problem
[12:09] <k1l> rossmoore: no thats not a problem
[12:09] <rossmoore> it dumps me to initramfs right about 5 seconds after choosing "try ubuntu without installing"
[12:10] <rossmoore> or indeed "install ubuntu now"
[12:10] <k1l> rossmoore: maybe you need special kernelmodules.
[12:10] <k1l> !nomodereset | rossmoore
[12:10] <rossmoore> i've just a core i3 (sandy bridge)
[12:10] <rossmoore> gigabyte motherboard. nothing unusual
[12:10] <rossmoore> try nomodereset as a grub kernel option?
[12:11] <hitsujiTMO> nomodeset don't you mean?
[12:11] <k1l> !nomodeset | rossmoore
[12:11] <k1l> hitsujiTMO: thanks :)
[12:12] <rossmoore> will give that a go right now
[12:12] <rossmoore> didn't expect to need that, just using on-board intel graphics. all open source
[12:14] <rossmoore> nope
[12:14] <rossmoore> right back at initramfs
[12:16] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: i would try backing up your system and then perform a do-release-upgrade
[12:16] <rossmoore> k1l thanks for the nomodeset idea, but no luck
[12:17] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: thanks. that's where I started.
[12:18] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: Tried a do-release-upgrade. That bombed due to unspecified package problems, so I figured I back up and start again. Only to find, to my shock, that I couldn't even do that.
[12:19] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: whats the exact model of your motherboard. i would report it as a bug, as it appears the kernel has dropped support for some device you are using
[12:19] <jasic> hello guys , I had a problem with WUBi please help me
[12:20] <hitsujiTMO> !details | jasic
[12:20] <auronandace> jasic: wubi is being phased out, i suggest you avoid it
[12:20] <jasic> auronandace, why sir?
[12:20] <gvo> auronandace: Is anything replacing it?
[12:20] <jasic> auronandace, so, why is it in the iso then?
[12:20] <auronandace> gvo: i don't know
[12:20] <jasic> of 13.10??
[12:20] <gvo> WUBi seems to be a great idea.
[12:21] <rossmoore> hitsufiTMO: GA-H67N-USB3-B3
[12:21] <auronandace> jasic: its not compatible with uefi and safeboot apparently
[12:21] <TOM_otakux> asking one thing
[12:21] <TOM_otakux> kubuntu 13.10
[12:22] <jasic> auronandace, i only want to fix, why is it downloading the files...
[12:22] <TOM_otakux> plasma-nm did not show any connection even though i have added DSL connection
[12:22] <auronandace> jasic: to fix what?
[12:22] <TOM_otakux> this problem is ?
[12:23] <mjayk> Hello all im trying to format a usb stick in ubuntu 13.10 and i get a formatting error "error: setting partition type after formatting: Error settings partition flags on /dev/sdc1
[12:23] <mjayk> any help ideas
[12:23] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: is there any way to get a debug log out of the boot in this case, do you know?
[12:23] <jasic> auronandace, while I install WUBI, it downloads the files ,which it shouldn't ,I just downloaded 13.10 iso ... wanted to install using WUBI ... ;p
[12:23] <jasic> auronandace, while I install WUBI, it downloads the files ,which it shouldn't ,I just downloaded 13.10 iso ... wanted to install using WUBI ... :p
[12:23] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: just don't know where to start with it
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> mjayk: are you using gparted o format it?
[12:24] <auronandace> jasic: then you are talking to the wrong person, i don't use wubi nor recommend it
[12:24] <jasic> ok , so anyother guys there , installing Ubuntu using WUBI ??
[12:24] <mjayk> ActionParsnip: im using "Disks" I also get the same error when I right click in file browser and format, would you recomment I try gparted?
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> jasic: wubi is awful, its also not advised under Windows8
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> mjayk: is the partition to format unmounted?
[12:25] <jasic> ActionParsnip,  while I install WUBI, it downloads the files ,which it shouldn't ,I just downloaded 13.10 iso ... wanted to install using WUBI ... :p
[12:25] <jasic> ActionParsnip, I don
[12:25] <mjayk> ActionParsnip: fixed it sfdisk --force /dev/sdc
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> jasic: if you put the ISO in the same folder as the wubi ISO, is it used?
[12:26] <mjayk> ActionParsnip: it was the --force that made it work
[12:26] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: i'm unsure as you are booting a RO file system at this point. https://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug might help
[12:26] <jasic> ActionParsnip, i don't want to let the downloads from WUbi again
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> mjayk: please remember to safely remove your USB sticks in your OS before you physically unplug them]#
[12:26] <jasic>  ActionParsnip I downloaded the iso in which there was WUBI
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> jasic: did you mount the ISO in Windows?
[12:26] <newuser> Hello, I've got two problems since I've update my ubuntu to the last version. Could someone help me? Thanks!
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> newuser: with details, yes. presently, no
[12:27] <jasic> yes , I extracted the whole iso in a folder
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> jasic: you don't extract the ISO
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> jasic: that isn't part of the procedure
[12:27] <linuxuz3r> whats a good twitter client for ubuntu?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> jasic: instead of looking at how Windows presents data, use your mind
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> linuxuz3r: friends or gwibber
[12:28] <jasic> ActionParsnip, I tried both the mounting and extraction...
[12:28] <mjayk> ActionParsnip: Cheers for your helps
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> jasic: if you make a USB stick or CD< you can install easily with thtat
[12:29] <newuser> The problems are: 1) the mouse cursor blinks everytime and 2) even if I change my browser, the internet in my computer doesn't work well - in my ipad it works, but in the computer I have problems with photos of websites
[12:29] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: Just noticed something as it boots: "Error root variable isn't set" flashes up briefly
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> jasic: I recommend you resize NTFS, boot to an Ubuntu install media and install to the freed space
[12:29] <jasic> ActionParsnip, I know , but I don't have USB currently
[12:29] <jasic> neither  a blank dvd :p
[12:30] <hitsujiTMO> rossmore: seems like its not detecting or setting the root filesystem from the live usb.
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> jasic: if you download the wubi.exe as a separate file and put it in the same folder as the ISO file, it will be used
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> jasic: wubi is not a long term solution and is a try-before-you-buy at best
[12:31] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: are you using a usb image or the dvd itself?
[12:31] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: yup. I'm using a DVD at this point, as the least likely to have some quirk (IMHO). The root filesystem should therefore be just the DVD
[12:31] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: Burned the DVD with brasero just now.
[12:31] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: what filesystem was the usb when you tried it?
[12:32] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: with USB the filesystem was fat32
[12:34] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: OK, by passing the debug boot parameter I can get access to some kind of initramfs debug log (mentioned in that link you sent me)
[12:34] <williamcarswell> hey
[12:35] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: I can't figure out how to "scroll" through it, but the last few lines say "no iti found. Try passing init= bootarg"
[12:36] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: sorry "no init found." etc. seems related to the root argument message before.
[12:37] <jasic> clefebvre_, hello dude
[12:37] <jasic> is this channel or the devs?
[12:38] <azixx_hack>    
[12:38] <mjayk> jasic: this is a channel
[12:39] <jasic> are the Ubuntu devs present here?
[12:39] <jasic> mjayk,  are the Ubuntu devs present here?
[12:39] <moppy> jasic: Some are, but won't uncloak by magic
[12:40] <moppy> jasic: it's open source anyway, a dev won't necessarily be able to give a better answer unless its about canonical polcy
[12:40] <moppy> jasic: did you have a question?
[12:42] <jasic> moppy, Is Debian a LFS ?
[12:42] <cfhowlett> !debian|jasic,
[12:43] <moppy> jasic: think you need #debian
[12:43] <jasic> moppy, why debian repo doesn't work in Ubuntu ??
[12:43] <pablo_> there is a GPL driver for the gma3600 ? I founded only the proprietary intel driver. Pls answer me
[12:44] <moppy> jasic: this isn't debian
[12:44] <gvo> jasic: why doesn't my chev waterpump work on my ford?
[12:44] <cfhowlett> jasic, it doesn't.  please direct further questions to #debian.
[12:44] <moppy> chev?
[12:44] <gvo> OK Mercedes then, not chev
[12:45]  * cfhowlett wonder's why my key won't fit that maerati parked out front
[12:45] <moppy> oh i get it,some car brand?
[12:45] <jasic> moppy, are u a dev ?
[12:45] <moppy> ok i see now, chevrolet
[12:45] <gvo> Right chev = Chevrolet
[12:45] <jasic> moppy, is the Ubuntu versions a respin of previous with fixes of buys and extra installation ??
[12:46]  * cfhowlett ... feels a disturbance in the force and gets his trollbat ready
[12:46] <moppy> jasic: it's based on debian but not fully compatible
[12:47] <moppy> is that chev-ro-lay as in french or chev-ro-let as in literal english?
[12:47] <gvo> moppy: the former
[12:48] <moppy> oh they do the volt, i had of heard of that but the name didn't register
[12:48] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: no more ideas?
[12:50] <linuxuz3r> gwibber has bad background
[12:50] <linuxuz3r> how do i change gwibber background
[12:50] <linuxuz3r> ActionParsnip,
[12:50] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: fraid not. have not seen that issue before
[12:51] <hitsujiTMO> rossmoore: well, you could possilby try booting manually from the grub prompt, if you know how
[12:52] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: choose the hard drive partitions like (hd0,msdos2)? there's no problem booting the existing system
[12:53] <docmur> I'm having really annoying issues with Ubuntu 12.04 and up deuathenticating from my enterprise wireless.  The wireless is WPA-EPA, PEAP, MSCHAPV2 and I have the Cert.  I can connect to it but then it will drop and reauth and continue this over and over.  I've tried wpa-supplicant and I see the exact same repsonse.
[12:53] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: I can do that, but I still can't successfully bring up the DVD
[12:55] <JWFoxJr> docmur: I had a similiar problem - try changing the channel on the infrastructure AP - you might be experiencing interference. That was what solved my issue.
[12:56] <hitsujiTMO> rossmore: does the dvd show up if you type ls at grub prompt at all?
[12:58] <jasic> moppy, is the kernel of Ubuntu modified from Debian or not ?
[12:58] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: how would it help if it did? [sorry, stepped away from that computer for a few minutes]
[12:58] <Pricey> jasic: Yes.
[12:59] <hitsujiTMO> could allow you to manually boot if whatever is detecting the dvd in the grub config is not working
[12:59] <jasic> Pricey, where is the kernel files present in the filesystem?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> linuxuz3r: not something I use,
[13:00] <moppy> jasic: my understanding is the kernel is configured with different options
[13:01] <moppy> jasic: /boot and /lib/modules
[13:01] <jasic> and what about the initrd.lz ??
[13:01] <SIGKILLer> Umm.. I just installed a 32-bit package by mistake, I meant to download a 64-bit .deb. It seems half my system was deleted in the process:O
[13:02] <linuxuz3r> ActionParsnip, ok
[13:02] <docmur> Whats the best way to set my channel?
[13:03] <linuxuz3r> docmur, what client
[13:04] <docmur> I prefer network-manger but I can also use wpa_supplicant
[13:05] <JWFoxJr> docmur: I guess it depends on who the AP mfg is. If it's enterprise AP like Cisco you could probably google how.
[13:05] <JWFoxJr> docmur: you don't want to set the channel from client side.
[13:06] <docmur> I think the channel auto selection might be causing my wifi issue
[13:06] <JWFoxJr> docmur: That could possibly be. I hadn't thought of that.
[13:07] <docmur> basically I'm authenticating / disauthenticating over and over to the enterprise wifi, PEAP, MSCHAPV2 WPA-EPA CCMP.
[13:07] <linuxuz3r> oh i thought you mean irc client
[13:08] <docmur> oh no lol wifi channel, sorry
[13:10] <rossmoore> hitsujiTMO: doesn't seem like it can't detect the dvd. It gets to the grub entry in dvd, then successully starts _something_ on the dvd using that grub entry
[13:10] <rossmoore> it's just that _something_ isn't functioning properly.
[13:11] <Kruppt> initrd.gz located in /boot ...has modules that are loaded into RAM disc for enabling hardware (drives, etc.)  on boot up
[13:12] <central> hola
[13:13] <central> alguien sabe como instalar una epson en ubuntu?
[13:13] <fidel> !es | central
[13:13] <central> bien grascias
[13:14] <central> "/join #ubuntu-es"
[13:19] <clemens> I've a problem with Dropbox. It always stop downloading the files. Ubuntu 12.04 64 Bit - I use the same folder for WIN and Ubuntu (Ntfs)
[13:20] <g105b> clemens: What is the problem?
[13:20] <ssj5goku> Clemens: rey usin a download manager
[13:20] <hitsujiTMO> clemens: what do you mean exactly by: "It always stop downloading the files"?
[13:21] <ssj5goku> Try
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> clemens: dos your system have free space?
[13:24] <clemens> ssj5goku, what download manager?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> clemens: if you hover your cursor over the dropbox icon, does it display an error?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> clemens: also do you have free inodes?
[13:24] <clemens> ActionParsnip, 20 GB free space left
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> clemens: if you run:   df -i    do you have fre inodes?
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> *free
[13:26] <julius> Anyone know a project like FreeNAS, that enables you to host your own web server, email server, ex owncloud, ftp and more, easy from within a graphical server management interface? Like arkOS is for Raspberry PI ?
[13:26] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, if I start dropbox, it download the index list or something like that, than uploadding some stuff and it start downloading and stops after a few files
[13:27] <zrad> hi noob here, using ubuntu 12.04; I can't click on anything on the desktop. I think I caused this problem by adding an application that requires root permissions to startup. I can get to another terminal (alt+ctr+f1). Not sure how to remove that application from startup from the command line (I think that would solve my problem).
[13:27] <Ceninant> julius,vmware? lol that's a super jack of all trades
[13:27] <katha> hi. mint 15 64x does not start normally, but taking recovery mode and resume works.
[13:27] <hitsujiTMO> clemens: is there an error from dropbox app? sounds like a normal sync if there's only a few file changes.
[13:27] <DJones> !mint | katha
[13:28] <julius> Ceninant: do you mean Zimbra from vmWare?
[13:29] <clemens> ActionParsnip, Where the dropbox is: /dev/sda5      381332748   198926 381133822    1% /mnt/Data
[13:29] <toad> hi guys gtk apps are crashin unity during snapping
[13:29] <hitsujiTMO> julius: have you looked at juju for ubuntu-server?
[13:29] <toad> in saucy
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> clemens: thats good
[13:29] <toad> anyone with this error
[13:29] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, dropbox status: 57 Dateien werden heruntergeladen... seems it tries downloading
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> toad: I disable that feature, drives everyone I know mental
[13:30] <toad> but i use it alot :(
[13:30] <donavan01> What is my best option for setting up a RDP/VNC connection to my desktop from a windows machine to my linux box... been a while since I had to do this in linux and didnt know what the best practice is now
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> toad: does it happen as a fresh ubuntu user?
[13:31] <Rory> toad: If you run a GTK application from the terminal, do you get any error output when it crashes? If so, can you please paste the full error message on http://paste.ubuntu.com and put the resulting URL in this channel?
[13:32] <toad> after that i have to force a logout since unity and the session dies
[13:32] <julius> hitsujiTMO: Just a quick lock, but in seems that it requires lots of components?
[13:32] <fishsystem> hi so I hold super+ctrl+down, but this window won't minimize. What's wroooom..ng (wrong)?
[13:32] <hitsujiTMO> julius it should allow you to install what you need from the interface
[13:32] <hobarey> fishy.... use windows 8
[13:33] <kristenbb> Hi, I'm trying to set up a static ip on a Ubuntu server, however my changes are not applied. Restarting the networking service doesn't change anything. What could be wrong ?
[13:33] <toad> could it be an issue with the upgrade
[13:33] <Rory> toad: Possibly, could you see if the issue occurs as a different user, or as the guest user?
[13:33] <toad> all my friends with clean installs dont have this issue
[13:33] <julius> hitsujiTMO: hmm okey, i'll look into juju then! Thank you very much
[13:34] <hobarey> kristenbb: dont use the GUI.. install joe editor and edit the relevant files by hand.. they must be somewhere in /etc..
[13:34] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, It seems that i stuck somehow, because when i click pause syncing nothing happen
[13:35] <toad> Rory: its a hard issue to reproduce
[13:35] <toad> will try and try to get logs
[13:36] <hitsujiTMO> clemens: when you say the folder is shared with windows? do you mean that both your windows and ubuntu are sharing the exact same physical folder?
[13:36] <ssj5goku> @Dai19
[13:36] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, that's correct
[13:36] <hitsujiTMO> clemens: thats your problem!
[13:36] <kristenbb> Hobarey: I'm not using the GUI, i edited the /etc/network/interfaces file but the ip is still the old one.
[13:37] <toad> some guys are telling me to purge unity and reinstall will this work?
[13:37] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, why it should not work?
[13:37] <xiaoy> kristenbb, which ubuntu version? did you edit /etc/network/interfaces file?
[13:37] <hobarey> kristenbb: i have no idea friend... why do you rely on ubuntu for a server anyway? why wont you use something more serious like debian? or at least slackware
[13:37] <fishsystem> can you minimize current window with some keyboard shortcut? ctrl+super+down only restores the window
[13:37] <hitsujiTMO> clemens: you effective trying to sync an already synced folder, and ubuntu's dropbox index does not match whats in the folder!
[13:38] <kristenbb> Can someone please help me to configure a static ip ?
[13:38] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, is there a way to use the same folder in both OS ?
[13:38] <hobarey> kristenbb, did you google?
[13:38] <fishsystem> kristenbb: trust me on this one, follow any tutorial (google)
[13:39] <hitsujiTMO> clemens: not for dropbox
[13:39] <xiaoy> kristenbb, https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[13:39] <kristenbb> Fishsystem I did but it didn't work
[13:39] <hobarey> kristenbb: that is because ubuntu is a joke
[13:39] <fishsystem> kristenbb: it'd be inconvenient to give a 20KB tutorial on IRC
[13:40] <fishsystem> hobarey: I'd agree on that. I only use it now because it was easy to install and has a non-cryptic-10100101 desktop
[13:40] <hobarey> fishsystem: it is ok for desktop, but she uses it for a server.. isnt that risky?
[13:41] <Pici> hobarey: knock it off.  This this channel is for being helpful, which you are not doing.
[13:41] <clemens> hitsujiTMO, Okey ty for your help
[13:42] <cgt> I just bought a new Nvidia graphics card. I am currently using an ATI graphics card (with the radeon driver). Are there any steps I should take before installing the new card and removing the old to ensure that my system will function after the new card has been installed?
[13:43] <hitsujiTMO> cgt: what driver are you using?
[13:43] <xMopxShell> Hi, I was following this guide to install dspam: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix/Dspam . It seems to be working but forwarding mail to the "spam" and "ham" addresses doesn't seem to do antyhing & I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting.
[13:43] <kristenbb> Fishsystem I tried to use this tutorial but I fails at the ifup step. The error returned is ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[13:43] <cgt> hitsujiTMO: I am using the radeon driver. I wish to use the proprietary Nvidia driver with the new card.
[13:44] <hitsujiTMO> cgt: you should be fine so, just disable the xorg.conf if you made one.
[13:44] <Ubnoobtu> Hey all, I have a short question. I recently installed Ubuntu 13.10 on a PC. The first thing I want to do is use a wireless adapter. I googled around, found someone who asked the same thing I did on 10.04.
[13:45] <Ubnoobtu> Do I do the same thing, using the same file, or what?
[13:45] <cgt> hitsujiTMO: I should note that I am using a minimal Ubuntu install with i3 and GDM. Does Ubuntu automatically switch to nouveau when it detects a new Nvidia card?
[13:46] <kristenbb> Can someone please help me to set a static ip ? I followed some tutorials but it fails at the ifup or service networking restart step
[13:46] <hitsujiTMO> cgt: yes it should auto switch
[13:46] <hitsujiTMO> cgt: unless you use a xorg.conf that is
[13:46] <cgt> hitsujiTMO: Excellent. Thank you.
[13:46] <fishsystem> hobarey: I don't find ubuntu to be an optimal server no.. but that depends on what you're doing
[13:47] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: no dont follow those exact steps. he's using an older kernel and completely different system effectively. and aswell is prob using a different wireless device.
[13:47] <fishsystem> kristenbb: are you wireless or hooked to a string of copper?
[13:47] <otak> kristenbb: if your network is working now, try command ip addr show , it will tell you about your interfaces
[13:47] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: lets start by you giving us the output of: lsusb
[13:48] <kristenbb> Hooked
[13:48] <Rory> kristenbb: You can set  a static IP in the Network Manager GUI
[13:48] <fishsystem> kristenbb: eth0=eth0 is not a network interface, but eth0 is
[13:48] <fishsystem> kristenbb: what rory said
[13:49] <kristenbb> Rory I only have ash access it's a Ubuntu server
[13:49] <Ubnoobtu> okay, should I plus the adapter in when I'm doing this?
[13:49] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: yes
[13:50] <kristenbb> Fish system I know that eth0=eth0 is not an interface but why is it claiming it is ? I only wrote eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:50] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO: is this command used to list usb devices and what type like 2.0?
[13:51] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: it lists usb devices, does not specify type
[13:52] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO:  Linksys WUSB54G v2 802.11g Adapter [ instersil ISl3887]
[13:52] <fishsystem> kristenbb: I don't know anything about linux really, just using my common sense. Google it, I'm sure you'll find the right thing. Try googling for: ubuntu server static ip, and don't chose any result but chose one that seems convenient
[13:52] <kristenbb> Otak the command you mentioned has a weird  output. It shows two ips with eth0 and secondary eth0. What does it mean ?
[13:53] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: i need the exact string it produces
[13:53] <helmut_> hi
[13:53] <Ubnoobtu> okay, give me one moment, I'll have to use a flash driv
[13:54] <kristenbb> Fishsystem ok np thanks for your help. I'm sure others will know. I did try google but the tutorials don't mention what I'm facing.
[13:54] <Patero-ng> does anyone here knows why my conecction with the access point is lost? like if I would have set the essid to none... I have to do iwconfig wlan0 essid "router" to reconnect
[13:55] <Scrivener> Yo, so I made the mistake of upgrading to 13.10... :P Hi all!
[13:55] <Scrivener> I'm on a Thinkpad T430 with Intel HD4000 graphics, and I am attempting to use 2 external monitors in addition to my laptop's screen.
[13:56] <Scrivener> Under Ubuntu 13.04 this worked brilliantly. No problems. I upgraded to 13.10 last night, come into work, and discover the error message "Could not set the configuration for CTRC65"
[13:57] <Scrivener> I discovered this post: http://askubuntu.com/questions/195812/2-external-displays-on-thinkpad-t430s-with-hd4000-graphics
[13:57] <Scrivener> Which seems to claim that 3 displays on the HD4000 is not workable in the real world, but I know this can't be true, as I was just doing it for the past several months without any problems.
[13:57] <kristenbb> Otak could you help me a bit further with my networking issue please ?
[13:58] <Scrivener> Only after I upgraded did this break (along with other sundry errors on different things... I may end up having to do a re-install of 13.04, ugh)
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> Scrivener: why not do a clean install of 13.10?
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> Scrivener: 13.04 is EOL in January 2014.
[14:00] <Scrivener> ActionParsnip, I could try a clean install of 13.10, but I was hoping to avoid the arduous process of setting up my development environment again.
[14:00] <Scrivener> Luckily I've documented most of it, but still...
[14:01] <Scrivener> Is that what's needed to get 3 displays working again?
[14:01] <Scrivener> I'm sorta regretting trying 13.10 instead of waiting on 14.04 when I had an OS that worked :P
[14:01] <Scrivener> "If it ain't broke" and all that.
[14:01] <jpds> Scrivener: For a work laptop, use 12.04 LTS. ;-)
[14:02] <Scrivener> jpds, Well I found that 13.04 worked just fine :) Meh though. Nobody familiar with this display issue?
[14:02] <Scrivener> I'm *at* work and need to get working... I should've known better :P
[14:03] <Scrivener> What would cause this to break?
[14:03] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO:  Heres the output from lsusb
[14:03] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO: Bus 001 Device 006: ID 0bda:0111 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTS5111 Card Reader Controller Bus 001 Device 007: ID 13b1:000a Linksys WUSB54G v2 802.11g Adapter [Intersil ISL3887] Bus 001 Device 004: ID 13fe:2240 Kingston Technology Company Inc. microSD card reader Bus 001 Device 003: ID 05dc:a660 Lexar Media, Inc.  Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1532:0016 Razer USA, 
[14:04] <Scrivener> jpds, ActionParsnip it looks like people using 12.04 are/were unable to get a 3-monitor setup working.
[14:04] <Scrivener> But it wasn't an issue with 13.04
[14:04] <Scrivener> Maybe it was something that got backported too...?
[14:05] <babarhaq> hi all, can a diskless desktop boot off ubuntu live (usb)
[14:05] <toad> issue just happens on apps using gtk ..is there a way i can get the unity debug output
[14:05] <toad> in a file
[14:06] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO: did it work correctly?
[14:07] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: seems like it uses the p54usb driver which should be available in the package: linux-firmware-nonfree, if you can get net access thru your wired port, try downloading the deb from http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download and copy it over to your machine and install it with: sudo dpkg - i linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb
[14:07] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: sorry that should be: sudo dpkg -i linux-firmware-nonfree_1.14ubuntu1_all.deb
[14:08] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO: thank you so much for your troubles, you're the man.
[14:08] <delinquentme> so I've got an interesting package operation happening ... which ideally I'd love to get fixed :D https://gist.github.com/delinquentme/0f7ca6588a3624897e94
[14:08] <delinquentme> Basically I just uninstalled R w sudo apt-get remove r-base
[14:09] <delinquentme> and now a package which was up and running ( with its dependencies ) no longer installs
[14:12] <docmur> Does anyone know why wpa_supplicant won't accept freq_list on ubuntu?  I'm trying to use it in the config but it keeps saying it's an unknown global
[14:12] <babarhaq>  hi all, can a diskless desktop boot  ubuntu live (usb)
[14:13] <cody--> morning
[14:14] <hitsujiTMO> docmur: how exactly are you declaring ti?
[14:14] <hitsujiTMO> it*
[14:14] <docmur> before my network={ block, in the global context
[14:15] <hitsujiTMO> docmur: please specify the exact string you are entering to the config
[14:15] <docmur> freq_list=2412
[14:17] <Ubnoobtu> Okay, I have another question. How do I resize my pc video output. It's connected to a tv through hdmi. It's a nivida videocard, and I think I could use its driver to do it.
[14:17] <hitsujiTMO> docmur: you must speficy it within the network block
[14:17] <Ubnoobtu> but how do I get the drivers, etc etc, anything thats useful is appreciated
[14:18] <hitsujiTMO> !nvidia | Ubnoobtu
[14:19] <s-haha-n> what the best app for power saving on a laptop for ubuntu 13.10?
[14:21] <hitsujiTMO> s-haha-n: i use indicator-cpufreq to manually specify my desired cpu power usage
[14:22] <s-haha-n> hitsujiTMO, i'm not too savvy with that stuff exactly and i need something quick and easy just turned my laptop on in  a lecture no charger
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> s-haha-n: its a little systray app, fairly easy to use :P
[14:23] <s-haha-n> hitsujiTMO,  ah so "sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq"?
[14:23] <hitsujiTMO> s-haha-n: yes
[14:24] <s-haha-n> hitsujiTMO, thanks
[14:24] <skavs> can anybody help me in setting up hindi input method in ubuntu?
[14:25] <donavan01> what program is used for remote desktop into an ubuntu box?
[14:25] <kambavanan> how r u
[14:25] <d3fc0n> vnc comes to mind
[14:27] <donavan01> does the VNC that comes with it support SSL or something ... I have only every used remoting into a machine on windows
[14:27] <Mouzz> Any advice on getting apache2.4 to not give me a 403 even after changing Order/Allow directives to Require?
[14:30] <s-haha-n> hitsujiTMO, what's going to extend my battery longer? powersaving or on demand?  I'm just taking notes on a word processor in browser.  probably on demand right?
[14:30] <hitsujiTMO> i just use on demand ... never checked the specifics
[14:30] <wiz__> hey guys
[14:31] <wiz__> dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge <-- Can i really run this to remove (Previous version) form the grub menu?
[14:31] <hitsujiTMO> s-haha-n: powersave does not allow you to just to higher frequencies
[14:31] <hitsujiTMO> s-haha-n: powersave does not allow you to jump to higher frequencies
[14:32] <hitsujiTMO> wiz__: you should purge manually.... never run a script you don't inderstand, especially ones with complex regexes
[14:33] <wiz__> it's from here http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu
[14:33] <Mouzz> Could it have anything to do with the DocumentRoot being inside my homedir?
[14:33] <wiz__> how do I purge manually?
[14:33] <saiarcot895> wiz__: 'sudo apt-get purge' purges packages
[14:34] <wiz__> and list them with dpkg -l ?
[14:34] <s-haha-n> what is the default file browser for 13.10?  nautilus?   how do you ssh with nautilus?  'File' -> 'Connect to server'  but where form there?
[14:34] <Patero-ng> wiz__: I think is dpkg --purge
[14:34] <Patero-ng> and name of packet
[14:34] <wiz__> to identify the name of the package i meant
[14:35] <saiarcot895> wiz__: dpkg -l 'linux-*' returns all packages that contain linux, yes
[14:35] <blubber123> What is the difference between hard and soft values? ulimit -Hn
[14:35] <wiz__> ah there you go
[14:35] <theadmin> s-haha-n: Type the URI like ssh://ssh.example.org/
[14:35] <saiarcot895> wiz__: including ones that aren't installed
[14:35] <theadmin> s-haha-n: And there you go
[14:35] <saiarcot895> wiz__: You could also use synaptic to have a graphical view of installed packages
[14:36] <hitsujiTMO> wiz__: dpkg --get-selections | grep "^linux-image.*install$"       will list currently installed kernels ... uname -r   will list your currently running kernel
[14:36] <theadmin> s-haha-n: (where "ssh.example.org" is the FQDN of the server you're connecting to, an IP address works too)
[14:36] <wiz__> http://pastie.org/8426995
[14:36] <wiz__> generic-lts-raring, what the hell
[14:37] <theadmin> wiz__: Current LTS versions get kernel updates from upstream Ubuntu releases, as an attempt to improve hardware support.
[14:37] <theadmin> wiz__: Is normal.
[14:37] <s-haha-n> theadmin, wow... that was so simple, and it works beautifully!  I can uninstall nemo now!  thanks man this rocks
[14:38] <wiz__> so i sudo apt-get purge everything except the one in uname -r?
[14:38] <hitsujiTMO> wiz__ that's listing headers only, not kernels
[14:38] <saiarcot895> wiz__: not everything
[14:38] <theadmin> wiz__: To remove every kernel except your currently-running one, do: dpkg -l 'linux-*' | sed '/^ii/!d;/'"$(uname -r | sed "s/\(.*\)-\([^0-9]\+\)/\1/")"'/d;s/^[^ ]* [^ ]* \([^ ]*\).*/\1/;/[0-9]/!d' | xargs sudo apt-get -y purge
[14:38] <hitsujiTMO> wiz only purge older than uname -r, not newer
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: yikes
[14:39] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: I know this looks scary but it actually works :D I run it after every kernel update, saved it in a shell script here.
[14:39] <saiarcot895> theadmin: first off, I wouldn't do "apt-get -y purge", just so I have a chance to review things
[14:39] <Edgar_> I have a laptop the does not have a valid partition on which to install UBUNTU. How can I partition mu hardrive and format the needed partition(s) to prepare for installation of UBUNTU from a DVD that I have prepared from an ISO?
[14:40] <theadmin> s-haha-n: Ah, that makes sense. Well, the command is actually ripped off from some blog so.
[14:40] <Edgar_> that* my*
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: I'd do it a little simpler but if it works then fine :)
[14:40] <theadmin> Edgar_: The installer can handle the partitioning by itself. You may simply select "Install Ubuntu near current OS" or "Install Ubuntu instead of current OS".
[14:40] <hitsujiTMO> Edgar_: the linux installer will do that for you
[14:41] <moppy> Empathy is the messenger client in ubuntu?
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> moppy: its A messenger client, it's not THE
[14:41] <saiarcot895> moppy: the default one, yes
[14:41] <theadmin> Edgar_: OR, you can do the partitioning manually from the installer, then you need to create a partition for / with type ext2/ext3/ext4 (or btrfs though I'd recommend against this), and one for swap, and maybe for /home (also ext2/3/4/btrfs)
[14:41] <Edgar_> OK I will try that. Do you mean that the installer will repartition and reformat my hard-drive?
[14:41] <moppy> i have a question about using Empathy with multiple PCs
[14:42] <theadmin> Edgar_: Yeah, it's full automated. It also detects already-installed operating systems and sets up dual boot.
[14:42] <k1l> empathy is a client, not a server, moppy
[14:42] <moppy> if you are simultaneously logged in on multiple PCs to the same messenger account, how would empathy handle this? Pidgin doesn't really do it properly
[14:42] <Edgar_> I will try. Thanks.
[14:42] <saiarcot895> Edgar_: it doesn't reformat the whole hard drive, it formats any new partitions
[14:42] <k1l> moppy: that depends on the chat protocol.
[14:43] <Mouzz> Can anyone tell me  where/how I can get the default content for /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf on 13.10 ?
[14:43] <ak__> whois ak
[14:43] <moppy> k1l: Ah i see - thanks - so same as pidgin. I'll give it a go just to make sure though
[14:43] <verses_> so, I installed xfce4 on my ubuntu 12.04 and now when I start terminal it doesn't show prompt... nor does it echo in characters I "try" to type.
[14:44] <hitsujiTMO> mouzz: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure php5
[14:45] <moppy> can we recommend any ubuntu IM program that *would* sync across multiple PCs?
[14:45] <theadmin> verses_: Is of clean install?
[14:46] <verses_> theadmin, the clean install?
[14:46] <theadmin> verses_: Like, did you modify anything after the installation?
[14:46] <verses_> theadmin, no I didn't.
[14:46] <Mouzz> hitsujiTMO: dpkg-reconfigure didn't bring back the php5.conf (which I moved out of the way before executing)
[14:46] <akshri> hi, can anyone help me installing murrian theme engine.. I m using ubuntu 13.10 with gnome 3.10
[14:47] <saiarcot895> moppy: IM programs don't sync across multiple PCs; if you are signed in at multiple locations, the defined behavior is up to the IM server/messaging protocol
[14:47] <hitsujiTMO> moppy: the issue is if the protocol can handle concurrent logins, not the client
[14:47] <verses_> in fact, when I landed up on the xfce the very first time I saw it's terminal the way it is now.
[14:47] <theadmin> verses_: Hm. Okay. If you hit Ctrl+Alt+F2 and log in, does the prompt show? (Ctrl-Alt-F7 to go back to GUI)
[14:47] <saiarcot895> moppy: IM server being the service you are using
[14:47] <k1l> moppy: again: that is protocol specific
[14:47] <elijah> Is there a way to always assign a certain window to a specific workspace? e.g. phpstorm on workspace 4
[14:48] <cebor> hi are there any differents between oracles jdk7 and openjdk7 ?? i heard jdk6 had problems with font rendering, is this fixed in v7??
[14:48] <theadmin> elijah: I don't know of a way to do it with Unity. You may be interested in a superior WM. For example, in i3 it's very easy to do.
[14:48] <elijah> ^^ every time I switch from my dock (external monitor) back to laptop screen it moves my windows to different workspaces
[14:48] <verses_> theadmin, yes , it shows there. But what about terminal's?
[14:48] <saiarcot895> cebor: openjdk7 is open source and includes nearly everything in Oracle's JDK 7
[14:48] <elijah> theadmin: what is a superior WM?
[14:48] <theadmin> verses_: Hm, yeah just trying to figure out what the problem is so checks... Eh. No idea. Maybe the color scheme is borked and is, say, black on black?
[14:49] <s-haha-n> so i currently had a windows 7 laptop, installed ubuntu on a partition, and am now dual booting, i noticed that you can only have the encrypted secure files with the ubuntu install when you format your hdd.  I'm thinking about wiping my laptop clean and installing ubuntu would i Then be able to install windows on a partition with a valid ISO on usb?
[14:49] <moppy> Yea Im aware its the protocol, i was just asking if some programs took 3rd party steps to get around it. I see from your answers you dont know of any so i assume there isnt one, unless i us a cloud service or a plugin to get it to sync over irc or something
[14:49] <verses_> let me check then.
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> mouzz: the the conf in that  dir is a symlink, not the actual conf, just symlink to where it the conf is
[14:49] <theadmin> elijah: Basically... Ubuntu's default window manager, Unity, can into very tiny amount of actual window management tasks... There are other window managers, which can do a lot more, like auto-tiling, etc. But they can be pretty complicated to configure.
[14:49] <Mouzz> hitsujiTMO: I know. I'm in the mods-available dir.
[14:49] <hitsujiTMO> mouzz: its prob in /etc/php5/
[14:49] <verses_> theadmin, you were right , surprisingly.
[14:50] <saiarcot895> cebor: I don't know about font rendering problems in JDK 6, but I would simply recommend to use JDK 7 for the security fixes
[14:50] <theadmin> verses_: Well that's weird
[14:50] <verses_> just removed the "use system colors" and I get white screen with a prompt , ugh
[14:50] <elijah> theadmin: ahh, gotcha. I am pretty sure I did this with compiz/unity a year or so ago
[14:50] <verses_> thanks theadmin
[14:50] <theadmin> elijah: Ah, there must be a way to do this with compiz.
[14:51] <elijah> theadmin: there was a gui program I could use to target the window to get the actual window name, I was then able to make the window "on all workspaces" and "always on top" in that case.
[14:51] <elijah> I forget the gui program but I don't think it was ccsm
[14:51] <cebor> saiarcot895: ok thanks
[14:52] <elijah> I think it is ccsm, http://askubuntu.com/questions/7377/how-to-start-an-app-with-always-on-top-set
[14:52] <ping-f-pong> Hello! May I ask an unrelated question regarding xchat - client?
[14:53] <s-haha-n> what's the best way to wipe a laptop entirely erasing everything completely except for the BIOS?  I've used DBAN auto nuke, before, any suggestions?
[14:53] <theadmin> elijah: CCSM has "Place Windows", there you can assign "Windows with fixed viewports".
[14:53] <theadmin> elijah: So there you go. As for getting the name, xwininfo may help I suppose.
[14:53] <elijah> theadmin: very nice, thanks!!
[14:53] <hitsujiTMO> moppy: if a protocol does not support concurrent logins, then it can't support concurrent logins (such as with steam). attempting to hack a bypass for this could very well get your account/ip banned
[14:54] <saiarcot895> !offtopic | ping-f-pong
[14:54] <moppy> hitsujiTMO: steam supports it, for their chat client
[14:54] <Pici> ping-f-pong: Try the xchat channel: #xchat
[14:54] <verses_> ping-f-pong, #xchat perhaps
[14:54] <ping-f-pong> understood. sorry.
[14:54] <theadmin> s-haha-n: DBAN does the trick very nicely, but is slowish. Then again, any secure wipe tool would be
[14:54] <verses_> I want to know your problem
[14:54] <verses_> so would you follow there
[14:55] <hitsujiTMO> moppy: yes they support it for chat, not for main account (just using it as an example)
[14:55] <s-haha-n> theadmin, yeah i think i'm going to use that again, would you say it's the standard in this type of stuff?  seems like it.
[14:55] <Patero-ng> any body here knows why my wireless nic disconnects from the access point? this is something I fix by doing iwconfig wlan0 essid "router"but still is anoying
[14:56] <theadmin> s-haha-n: Eh, I doubt there are any standards. Best way? Break HD with hammer and buy new HD.
[14:56] <moppy> hitsujiTMO: i thank you for your concern for me - it's good people look out for others. in general though messenger services dont mind concurrent login as people tend to have pc, phone, etc
[14:57] <Patero-ng> theadmin: I have a 40GB harddrive I have that has damaged circuit and I have waiting 3 years now to buy its'replacement circuit so I can keep using my old p3 desktop
[14:57] <supNow> my Ubuntu server upgrade failed and now it won't boot. It was trying to update to 13.10 Anyone know where I can find documentation on how to fix this?
[14:57] <theadmin> Patero-ng: That message wasn't directed to you :D
[14:58] <moppy> Patero-ng: can you not find another drive of same model and take the part?
[14:58] <hitsujiTMO> supnow what error are you getting?
[14:58] <babilen> supNow: It is typically necessary to know *what* failed if you expect others to help you ;) Use, for example, http://paste.ubuntu.com to provide relevant output. The log of your entire upgrade session would also be interesting as well as information about *which release* you upgraded from.
[14:58] <Patero-ng> moppy: it has my valueadable data on it
[14:58] <Patero-ng> moppy: I bought its replacement circuit but I broke it again
[14:59] <Patero-ng> moppy: it cost like 40$ more then the HD's worth but data has no price
[14:59] <moppy> Patero-ng: what i meant was find a second drive, take the electronics from that
[14:59] <hitsujiTMO> !behelpful | babilen he was asking for documentation not help :P
[14:59] <s-haha-n> theadmin,  lol gotcha
[14:59] <Guest93925> lo
[14:59] <Pots> lamers on line
[14:59] <babilen> hitsujiTMO: I don't think that was neither appropriate nor helpful in itself.
[15:00] <supNow> babilen: it was ubuntu server 12.10 upgrading to 13.10. It failed while fetching packages. Not sure how to get logs as it won't boot
[15:00] <supNow> update manager came up with a new release I clicked ok...
[15:00] <Patero-ng> moppy: yea it has to be the same model and even so has to match I have no money so data stil sitting since 2009 or so
[15:00] <theadmin> supNow: If it failed in fetching packages, nothing would actually happen...
[15:00] <hylian> i get this error when trying to send files to my bluetooth phone... (This worked just three days ago) Error while getting peer-to-peer dbus connection: The name :1.41 was not provided by any .service files
[15:00] <ChogyDan> supNow: are you sure 12.10?  12.10 can't upgrade to 13.10
[15:00] <priam> Any body who knows how to install ubuntu besides windows?
[15:00] <hitsujiTMO> supnow: did you use ppas?
[15:01] <theadmin> priam: Easy. Boot the Ubuntu CD (or DVD, whatever). Click "Install Ubuntu" and then "Install Ubuntu alongside Windows".
[15:01] <supNow> I have nothing special running on the server just a basic web host and file server for in the office
[15:01] <theadmin> priam: Then say how much space you want to give to each OS.
[15:01] <jhutchins> priam: Dual-boot installs have been the default for about twenty years now.
[15:01] <theadmin> priam: Done :)
[15:01] <cheater_3> hi
[15:01] <cheater_3> do the kernel builds in kernel-ppa have pae support?
[15:01] <priam> I mean window8
[15:01] <hitsujiTMO> supnow: where is it exactly failing during boot?
[15:02] <jhutchins> priam: In spite of what Microsoft says, W8 is nothing new.
[15:02] <theadmin> priam: Ah. Well, then just disable the "Fast Boot" in Windows and Secure Boot in your BIOS, and see aove.
[15:02] <Ubnoobtu> I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT,  I've gone to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto, and I think got it. But could I get some more info, because I'm an Idiot and I'm afraid I'll fuck my self over.
[15:02] <the1> can any one help me : 1 get adobe flash to install on ubuntu  13.10 ..there is no windows installer...2 I cant get wine to do anything after trying everything...
[15:03] <babilen> supNow: I would recommend to boot a live CD and to chroot into the system. You can then provide additional information (e.g. /var/log/apt/history.log or your sources.list or output of "apt-get dist-upgrade" and so on) that would allow people to help you. fwiw, you might get better support in #ubuntu-server.
[15:03] <jhutchins> !tell priam about install
[15:03] <hillary_>  i get this message "org.hsqldb.sdbcDriver could not be loaded" when trying to create a database table using libreOffice Base ubuntu 12.04. what could be the issue
[15:03] <hitsujiTMO> the1: adobe flash is no longer updated on linux by adobe. easiest way to get flash is to install chrome
[15:03] <hylian> what would cause a bluetooth connection to work one day, and not work the next? I already tested my bluetooth dongle, it works...??
[15:04] <Liam-> I have a question, when I use "ssh -R 8080:localhost:8080 root@my-vps" from one Ubuntu computer, to my vps, and then try binding my local 8080 port, it fails to bind
[15:04] <Liam-> And i'm unable to forward the port
[15:04] <supNow> babilen: I just took a couple screenshots with my phone I will post them in a moment
[15:04] <Liam-> Is there a better location to find information about forwarding ports using SSH, other than the top links on google?
[15:04] <the1> thanks hitjusi
[15:04] <the1> thanks babilen
[15:05] <babilen> huh?
[15:05] <mgaunard_> I'm having issues linking OpenMP with MKL (be it with libgomp or iomp5) since I upgraded to 13.10. Did anything change with regards to the linker behaviour? It works fine if I use clang or an older unsupported gcc package
[15:05] <m_tadeu> is there a way to get which distro I'm using on the command line? the same that comes in the package names (ex: ubu1304)
[15:06] <fishsystem> so.. can linux be used as a sandbox by restricting an applications rights to a specific directory? Can I, for example, restrict a malwares/trojans right to a limited directory with chmod and run it?
[15:06] <hitsujiTMO> m_tadeu: cat /etc/issue
[15:07] <manlin> m_tadeu: also cat /etc/lsb-release
[15:07] <supNow> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByTNRs3sW0J1UGJNVWJsRmYzNUU/edit?usp=sharing
[15:07] <hillary_> my libreoffice base not working in my ubuntu 12.04
[15:07] <ChogyDan> fishsystem: I think you can use chroot, but you still can't let the virus run as root (root can break out of a chroot)
[15:08] <supNow> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByTNRs3sW0J1aVFoWGU1bnNLbE0/edit?usp=sharing
[15:08] <supNow> hope those screenshots help
[15:08] <hillary_> i cannot create tables because i cannot connect to the created database
[15:09] <supNow> babilen: Is there something I can do from that prompt to get the information you're looking for?
[15:09] <moppy> fishsystem: you can in theory, but wouldnt a VM be better
[15:09] <moaz_1991> From morning till now, I've been trying to download this video: http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/XNDM1MTQ1NDky/v.swf => no success => any idea? any software?
[15:10] <m_tadeu> hitsujiTMO, manlin: thanx...but dpkg-buildpackage is setting "ubu1304" on the package name....now I'm makeing a script and I need to rebuild the package name again...with that string exactly
[15:10] <Patero-ng> I have port 22 open ssh why? I don't use it help!
[15:10] <Patero-ng> I don't want to get hacked by urt users
[15:11] <theadmin> moaz_1991: http://114.80.184.45/youku/6776386A8493F814F7F23363A8/0300020500501BBB25EC81077FB16F3B998604-A91F-BDFD-DF7C-A9936D2AF696.flv
[15:11] <theadmin> moaz_1991: That's the video link, download it with anything.
[15:11] <moppy> so it wasn't a flash 0-day then? :-)
[15:12] <theadmin> moaz_1991: I use the "FVD Video Downloader" plugin for Chrome/Chromium, works for anything but Youtube :)
[15:12] <Ubnoobtu> Could someone walk through the process of updating my drivers in 13.04, I'm a novice on 12.
[15:12] <killer> hey
[15:13] <killer> when will ubuntu switch to python 3
[15:13] <Denyerec> Skydrive possible without a 3rd party webservice?
[15:13] <moppy> killer: they said their milestone is 14.4 but who knows if they wil hit it?
[15:13] <theadmin> killer: Python 3 is already in the default installation if that's what you mean. There's currently no plans to make /usr/bin/python point to python3 as that would break a huge lot of scripts.
[15:13] <hitsujiTMO> fishsystem: defo use a virtual machine, some sandboxing guides suggest chroot, but that can be easily circumvented
[15:13] <moaz_1991> theadmin: Yeah, I tried FVD but just recognize ~12MB=6minutes of it?!
[15:13] <theadmin> moaz_1991: Eh who knows...
[15:13] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: what graphics card do you have?
[15:14] <theadmin> moaz_1991: I don't want to bother downloading it myself :D
[15:14] <moppy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Python/3
[15:14] <moppy> > It is a release goal for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS to have only Python 3 on the desktop CD images
[15:14] <killer> It is in the default install but ubuntu softwares are still written in python 2
[15:14] <Ubnoobtu> I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT,  I've gone to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto, and I think got it. But could I get some more info, because I'm an Idiot and I'm afraid I'll fuck my self over.
[15:14] <theadmin> ah okay moppy, my bad
[15:15] <saiarcot895> If you open up Software & Updates, there should be a tab that says Additional Drivers. Any proprietary drivers that are available for your system are listed there
[15:15] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: ^
[15:16] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: also, try to keep it clean
[15:16] <supNow> babilen: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* is saying files are locked and read only
[15:16] <moaz_1991> theadmin: I tried your link directly into chrome; I'll back with result; It's still 12. MB => may this one is complete video!
[15:16] <theadmin> moaz_1991: Possible, I honestly dunno, this site looks strange.
[15:16] <verses_> ok there's one more question, I have to connect a windows 7 machine with ubuntu, for sharing Internet and files.
[15:17] <supNow> babilen: sudo dpkg --configure -a is returning unable to access for same reason... read only
[15:17] <verses_> Can I share the internet both ways?
[15:17] <Ubnoobtu> Okay, So how do I open up the control panel, I need to adjust the display to fit my tv, which is my own source to output
[15:18] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: you can just type in Software in the Dash search bar, and it should come up
[15:18] <theadmin> moaz_1991: It's just 12MB, it'll take seconds to download with any decent connection, why not download and check?
[15:18] <Ubnoobtu> what software?
[15:19] <theadmin> Ubnoobtu: (s)he literally meant the text string "Software".
[15:19] <Patero-ng> I have port 22 open help me close it please
[15:19] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: Software & Updates, for the drivers
[15:19] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Uninstall your OpenSSH server.
[15:19] <k1l> Patero-ng: i think you have a wrong idea of open ports
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> k1l: +1
[15:19] <Ubnoobtu> it has all the boxes checked
[15:19] <slipp3d> anyone having any issues getting bluetooth and pulse working ?
[15:20] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: Is there a "Additional Drivers" tab?
[15:20] <user_> does anyone know how to get the fans to turn off when putting chromebook in suspend?
[15:20] <k1l> Patero-ng: if you want a running ssh on your system you need a open port 22. if you dont want it stop the ssh server
[15:20] <Patero-ng> k1l: in what way? an open port is an invitation to get hacekd!
[15:20] <user_> using c720 in 13.10
[15:20] <malinus> I've just installed php5-sqlite. How would I figure out where it got installed?
[15:20] <Ubnoobtu> Yes, but it own has my wireless adapter listed
[15:20] <moppy> user_: your chromebook suspends? :-) samsung 5x (intel) here with ubuntu , and it doenst
[15:20] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: I never found out, what graphics card are you using? (Nvidia? Intel? AMD?)
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> user_: are there bugs reported?
[15:21] <user_> when i put it in suspend the fan turns on
[15:21] <Patero-ng> is there a way to close it? I mean why is it on?
[15:21] <Ubnoobtu> I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8500 GT,
[15:21] <user_> when the computer is on the fan is off
[15:21] <k1l> Patero-ng: stop the ssh server. or remove that if you dont want it
[15:21] <slipp3d> Patero-ng, remove the openssh server
[15:21] <Patero-ng> I remember selecting something like that during install but I didn't think itwas gonna be open just because I installed it
[15:21] <Patero-ng> k1l: tell me how to stop it I might need it later
[15:21] <user_> i heard some people having trouble with suspend using chromebooks as well
[15:21] <Ubnoobtu> how do I quick reply to people
[15:21] <slipp3d> that is how ubuntu works ... you install a service it opens the ports that service needs
[15:21] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Open ports aren't a bad thing... They're only a problem if some malicious software is opening them.
[15:22] <malinus> so, figuring out where stuff got installed, any ideas?
[15:22] <Ubnoobtu> like you did to me, saiarcot895
[15:22] <moppy> Patero-ng: if you arent going to ssh into your machine, you might as well uninstall it
[15:22] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: hmmm, Nvidia should have other drivers
[15:22] <slipp3d> if you want to leave openssh installed Patero-ng ... just change the port to a really high number and you should be fine
[15:22] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: just type the person's name, like you did
[15:22] <theadmin> malinus: Uh. It gets installed where it needs to. Simply use SQLite in your PHP scripts, it'll work magically.
[15:22] <moppy> Ubnoobtu: type a few letters then press tab to match the name
[15:22] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: one moment
[15:22] <theadmin> malinus: Like $db = new SQLite3("test.db");
[15:23] <verses_> ok there's one more question, I have to connect a windows 7 machine with ubuntu, for sharing Internet and files.
[15:23] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895 : I checked and it said it wasn't supported. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCardsNvidia
[15:23] <k1l> Patero-ng: but this will only stop it until reboot. "sudo service ssh stop"
[15:23] <Patero-ng> moppy: I might ssh into my system I want to learn
[15:23] <moppy> user_: I have found the chromebook google group to be really good for support
[15:23] <ocooel> any good software to learn other languages..?
[15:23] <Patero-ng> k1l: thanks
[15:23] <Patero-ng> ocooel: roseta
[15:23] <user_> thanks moppy. ill check it out
[15:23] <malinus> theadmin, nah I get "undefined" error. looking in the phpinf() I can see it's "enabled" everywhere, but the "sqlite3.extension_dir" has "no value"
[15:24] <theadmin> malinus: Oh, that's odd.
[15:24] <theadmin> malinus: Well. You can list all files in a package with "dpkg -L packagename"
[15:24] <theadmin> malinus: That should give you at least some idea.
[15:24] <malinus> theadmin, thanks
[15:25] <ocooel> Patero-ng, what language did you learn..?
[15:26] <lotuspsychje> what sound recorder package could i use for decent audio interview
[15:26] <moppy> ocooel: whihc language?
[15:27] <Patero-ng> ocooel: I learned how to use roseta
[15:27] <ocooel> moppy: I need to finish learning Italian. Then I want to learn a little latin and japanese.
[15:27] <zhxk> suggest me a paste.net
[15:27] <cgt> How does one "finish" learning a language?
[15:28] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: you might have to use the open-source drivers (which are installed by default), if additional drivers doesn't suggest anything
[15:28] <Patero-ng> ocooel: I bought an english learning program for 70$ in 1999 that I still have it had voice recognizion and it told you if you pronounced like a native
[15:28] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: does the display look fine?
[15:28] <moppy> ocooel: Can't help with those 3, sorry.
[15:28] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: no, It's too large for my screen.
[15:28] <ocooel> cgt: to the point you do that many exercises and speak to people using the language fluently.
[15:28] <Pici> !ot
[15:29] <Ubnoobtu> how do I join another channel
[15:29] <ocooel> I can pick out words and put together the "idea" of what someone might be telling me in italian
[15:29] <moppy> ocooel: DId you try the local paper. In my area there are a lot of lonely foreign student who will teach for a few free beer
[15:29] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: /join #channelname
[15:29] <Ubnoobtu> I do want to join offtopic
[15:30] <ocooel> moppy: great idea..!
[15:30] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: technically, this would be on-topic, but ok
[15:30] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: no, I mean this is fine, but I'd like to chat off topic eventully, lol.
[15:31] <ocooel> Patero-ng: roseto looks good, but is online.
[15:31] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot985: so then, how can I edit the screen size, resolution
[15:31] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: try going into System Settings>Displays and change the resolution. Typically, the highest resolution is the correct resolution. How many resolutions are there?
[15:31] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: *How many resolution options are there?
[15:31] <supNow> it appears I have some lock files preventing dpkg to work but the sudo rm **** is returning that it's read only. How can I get around this?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> ocooel: plz use #ubuntu-offtopic as Pici sugested
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | supNow
[15:32] <hitsujiTMO> supNow: make sure update manager & software centre is closed
[15:33] <supNow> thanks i'll try that and it has to be closed I can only boot into a command prompt... :(
[15:33] <ocooel> lotuspsychje: sorry. was only asking about software initially.
[15:33] <moppy> omg! for years apple fans have been telling me ubutnu are trying to copy mac os especially with 'ocelot' being a cat.. now apple's new os is called 'maverick' ... haha
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> moppy: same for you use #ubuntu-offtopic for chitchat
[15:34] <jhutchins> moppy: mavericks
[15:34] <Ubnoobtu> Saiarcot895: quite a few, from 1920 x 1080, to 800x600. but none to change the size of the borders
[15:35] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: that's good; borders? As in the gray/black bar at the top?
[15:35] <Ubnoobtu> its going over, so most of the icons, time etc are outside the display
[15:36] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: what's the current resolution setting?
[15:36] <slipp3d> is anyone having issues with connecting bluetooth headsets ... I'm getting it connected ... but pulse doesn't see the device
[15:36] <Ubnoobtu> saiar895: its on 1920
[15:37] <Guest61837> how do we add hibernate option for Ubuntu 13.10?
[15:37] <cgt> !details | slipp3d
[15:37] <saiarcot895> saiarcot895: try changing it to 1440x900 or 1280x720 (the resolutions are something like that; I don't remember the exact numbers)
[15:38] <supNow> ubottu: it won't run that command it keeps telling me the file is locked
[15:38] <hitsujiTMO> Ubnoobtu: borders may be caused by the tv settings. there should be a method to disable the overscan seetings for the used port
[15:39] <super_man> ubottu: how do we add hibernate option for Ubuntu 13.10?
[15:39] <Ubnoobtu> hitsujiTMO: unfortunately the remote is missing and I am not able to do what I did when it was on windows vista.
[15:40] <slipp3d> okay.... I'm having a problem connecting my bluetooth headset ... the bluetooth applet says that it's connected but when I look in Pulseaudio's volume control -> configuration it's not listed so I can't send audio over the device
[15:40] <slipp3d> cgt, is that better?
[15:41] <Gallomimia> slipp3d: a good thing to check would be if pulseaudio has its bluetooth modules loaded and running properly
[15:41] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: to extend that, the disadvantages of having a single remote: if you lose it, you lose all control :)
[15:41]  * Ubnoobtu sobs
[15:42] <hitsujiTMO> supnow you could try: sudo rm -f
[15:42] <andreb> morning all
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> any reccomends for a decent sound recorder package to record an interview
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: sound recorder is in a default install....
[15:43] <andreb> i just enabled locking on the screensaver for ubnut 12.04 LTS... screensaver is running.. .but now i cant unlock it.. doesnt give me a prompt to unlock.. just keeps telling me Authentication failed.
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: is it decent enough for a good quality?
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: depends on the mic
[15:44] <andreb> how can i get around this problem ?
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> ActionParsnip: ok tnx
[15:45] <slipp3d> Gallomimia, yes it does have that module installed ... how do I check to see if it's running?
[15:46] <Gallomimia> slipp3d: pacmd list-modules (or just list to view everything)
[15:46] <Patero-ng> is there a chess program I can install in ubuntu server?
[15:47] <ActionParsnip> Patero-ng: to play? there may be a cli chess app
[15:47] <subz3r0> server? chess? server?
[15:47] <Patero-ng> to play online better over the server lol
[15:47] <hoxeni> hi
[15:47] <hoxeni> on running netstat -ap | grep :5000, I get the foll output
[15:47] <hoxeni> tcp        0      0 localhost:5000          *:*                     LISTEN      -                tcp        1      0 localhost:5000          localhost:39341         CLOSE_WAIT  -
[15:48] <subz3r0> a server should even has NO de installed!
[15:48] <hoxeni> I can't kill these two process and free the socket
[15:48] <hoxeni> what should I do?
[15:48] <hoxeni> can't restart
[15:49] <Gallomimia> hoxeni do you WANT to restart?
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> !info gnuchess
[15:49] <hoxeni> nopes
[15:49] <hoxeni> can't restart
[15:49] <deitarion> My brother just bought a new system and we're trying to set up an nVidia+Steam stack but, with all driver versions tried, there's an unpredictable chance that it'll boot to the terminal and the binary drivers will have wedged X11 so strongly that, unless we `killall lightdm` first, it'll get stuck trying to shut down.
[15:50] <Gallomimia> ah i thought you meant you were unable to. you mean you cannot due to  something running
[15:50] <deitarion> He's running a brand new GeForce GTX 760.
[15:50] <Patero-ng> lotuspsychje: can I play multiplayer with that game
[15:50] <lotuspsychje> Patero-ng: dont think so, it seems to be asci in terminal against computer
[15:50] <deitarion> Does this sound familiar to anyone? I've been having trouble getting relevant results out of Google due to how new this card is.
[15:51] <Gallomimia> easy enough to fix in open source environment
[15:51] <jasic> clefebvre_, hello clem how are you ??
[15:51] <Gallomimia> deitarion: what seems familiar is linus torvalds giving nVidia the finger for not supporting the linux environment enough and causing problems like that
[15:51] <jasic> clefebvre_,  remember me ??
[15:51] <Patero-ng> somebody should do a multiplayer chess game for ubuntu server so I dont'have to go to a web browser on a gui interface
[15:51] <moppy> Patero-ng: there are lots of websites that offer online chess in a browser, if that helps. yu dont really 'need' a local client.
[15:52] <andreb> can anyone help me with the screen saver issue on ubnut server 12.04 lts ?
[15:52] <moppy> Patero-ng: do you mean terminal-based multiplayer chess? there's an IRC for that... check channels
[15:52] <deitarion> Gallomimia: Constructive commentary only, please. I've never had a problem with my GT430 or the 7600 I was running prior which blew a capacitor. (And my brother never had a problem with his old 9600 nor my old PC with its FX5200)
[15:52] <Gallomimia> andreb i would suggest you come up with more details regarding your hardware. i think there's an issue with waking displays on certain laptops
[15:53] <Gallomimia> but have you gotten an nvidia card to run under linux yet?
[15:53] <linuxuz3r> hi
[15:53] <clefebvre_> jasic: hi, I'm sorry no
[15:54] <Gallomimia> i personally just bought a new rig then when i got it built and decided to skip the idea of windows forever, realized how fortunate it was that i changed all my chips to amd flavor before ordering...
[15:54] <linuxuz3r> is there a codec that renders your video image to ascii characters?
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> !details | andreb
[15:54] <moppy> clefebvre_: are you the c lefebvre? as in mint?
[15:54] <clefebvre_> moppy: yes
[15:54] <moppy> clefebvre_: cool, it's a nice project
[15:54] <hitsujiTMO> deitarion: does the crashing occur if you force nomodeset for every boot?
[15:54] <clefebvre_> thanks moppy
[15:55] <jasic> clefebvre_, clem , so how is days going on?
[15:55] <hitsujiTMO> !behelpful | Gallomimia
[15:55] <jasic> clefebvre_, so, how is Petra going on ??
[15:55] <Wiz-KeeD> hey guys
[15:55] <andreb> ubottu : i enabled the option on ubuntu server 12.04 lts to lcok the screen after 10 minutes of the screen saver running.. the thing is when i try to unlock the screen or even try moving the mouse i am getting an Authentication error.... no password prompt or anything is coming up
[15:55] <clefebvre_> jasic: good, thanks but it's off-topic here on this channel
[15:55] <deitarion> hitsujiTMO: I haven't tried it. I've never needed to. Give me a sec to look up how to do that with GRUB2. (I've only ever edited kernel parameters with LILO and GRUB 1 on Gentoo.)
[15:56] <Wiz-KeeD> hey guys, can someone help out it seems the my monitor is flickering pretty bad and my eyes are getting sore on this new laptop :(
[15:56] <Wiz-KeeD> anyone have any suggestions?
[15:56] <jasic> clefebvre_, dude, ok say lets then talk about the Ubuntu ;)
[15:56] <jasic> clefebvre_, have you tried Saucy ??
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> andreb: ubuntu server doesnt have a mouse pointer
[15:56] <clefebvre_> jasic: not yet no
[15:56] <ActionParsnip> andreb: server is cli only
[15:57] <jasic> clefebvre_, so want you have a try or during respin only ??
[15:57] <hitsujiTMO> deitarion: add it in /etc/default/grub     the line: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"          then run: sudo update-grub
[15:57] <andreb> i installed gnome on it to make admin it a little easier
[15:57] <Gallomimia> i seem to recall being told server can install a gui. also, there's a #ubuntu-server channel
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> andreb: then its a desktop OS
[15:57] <clefebvre_> jasic: I've downloaded it, hopefully when I've more spare time.
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> andreb: if you wanted a GUI OS, why not install the desktop OS?
[15:57] <Wiz-KeeD> anyone?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: what make and model laptop?
[15:57] <moppy> Wiz-KeeD: what do you mean by flickering?
[15:58] <Gallomimia> Wiz-KeeD: sounds like you have set it to the wrong refresh
[15:58] <jasic> clefebvre_, you are currently off the mint irc?
[15:58] <Gallomimia> rate*
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: what GPU?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: which ubuntu release?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: details.....?
[15:58] <clefebvre_> jasic: it's on irc.spotchat.org #linuxmint-chat
[15:58] <Wiz-KeeD> ActionParsnip, ubuntu model or notebook?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: both
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: you have stated the issue, yet no details about the setup it is happening
[15:59] <Wiz-KeeD> uname -r is 3.8.0-32-generic
[15:59] <werty> Hi, I wanted to install Ubuntu with full-encryption enabled. But to do so, I have to select "erase entire disk"... if I do so, will I have the possibility to install other SO alongside this Ubuntu encrypted one?
[15:59] <Wiz-KeeD> how do i extract the hardware data ActionParsnip ?
[15:59] <Gallomimia> Wiz-KeeD: we usually know it before installing ubuntu...
[15:59] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: sudo dmidecode -t 1; sudo lshw -C display
[15:59]  * Gallomimia writes this down...
[16:00] <Wiz-KeeD> know what before installnig buntu Gallomimia ?
[16:00] <andreb> ACtion : Installed the GUI so my manager can do some work on it if he watned too.. hes not so well will linux a gui made he feel more comfortable having the box around
[16:00] <Wiz-KeeD> ActionParsnip, http://pastie.org/8427206
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> andreb: i suggest you stick to the desktop ISO until you become versed in the OS
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> andreb: did you install xsrceensaver
[16:01] <Wiz-KeeD> resolution is 1920 x 1080
[16:01] <Gallomimia> andreb are you actually planning to use it as a server all the time, or is it possibly going to be used as a workstation too?
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: so your question should have been:  "I have an Aspire V3-771 with Optimus GPU and the screen is flickering under Ubuntu Precise"
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: yes?
[16:01] <andreb> I i install xscreensaver 5.15
[16:01] <Wiz-KeeD> that would be much more accurate yes
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: can you please give details like that, in future, it makes things a tonne quicker
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> ActionParsnip, also under windows, but in grub and boot it doesn't seem to have problems
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue    you can paste to the channel as it is one line
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> Especially on gradient gray and colors like that you can really see it
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS \n \l
[16:02] <RayWizard> is there a way to force linux save clipboard somewhere, i cant ctrl-v after ctrl-c if i closed source application
[16:02] <Wiz-KeeD> ?
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: did you install bumblebee?
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> issue pastes the ubuntu model? wierd
[16:03] <jasic> guys why the ubuntu doesn't feature a cool integration for bluetooth services
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> no I did not ActionParsnip
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> wierd thing is that it happens under Windows as well...
[16:03] <Gallomimia> RayWizard: um... what environment are you operating in? my clipboard works pretty well
[16:03] <Wiz-KeeD> !info bumblebee
[16:03] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: well you have an OPtimus switching GPU mess, you will need it to get some sort of support
[16:04] <Wiz-KeeD> mess? why do you say that?
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> Wiz-KeeD: imho its a nasty hack
[16:04] <Wiz-KeeD> :(
[16:04] <RayWizard> clipboard works fine, but! if i close apllication where buffer was, and then try to ctrl-v it wont, buffer whould be empty, it seams only reference to data is stored
[16:04]  * Wiz-KeeD feels bad about the laptop he bought now
[16:04] <hitsujiTMO> RayWizard: if you cant ctrl+v after the app closes then that app must be using its own clipboard
[16:04] <moppy> Wiz-KeeD: if it doesnt work in windows either, im betting it's not drivers, and it's the chips on the fritz
[16:05] <Gallomimia> the hardware design, or software to drive it ActionParsnip ?
[16:05] <Wiz-KeeD> moppy, if so then I will try to return this laptop right away
[16:05] <Gallomimia> moppy: he said it DOES work in windows, but the problem persists during boots and grub
[16:05] <Gallomimia> oh, i must have read that wrong
[16:05] <Wiz-KeeD> I'll confirm again by switching to Windows
[16:05] <svector> what is happening with the line args.putInt(ArticleFragment.ARG_POSITION, position); at the end of http://developer.android.com/training/basics/fragments/fragment-ui.html ?
[16:06] <svector> what are ARG_POSITION and position?
[16:06] <Gallomimia> arguments for a command
[16:07] <svector> Gallomimia, is ARG_POSITION inherited or assumed to be defined? Is it a known constant?
[16:08] <Gallomimia> svector: 1. ubuntu != android thankfully... 2. i'm going to have to read this page first
[16:08] <moppy> svector: sorry you appear to be asking an android development question? i would think one of the comptuer programming channels might be of more use?
[16:08] <svector> Gallomimia, oh sorry. I thought I was on #android-dev
[16:09] <svector> sorry guys
[16:09] <andreb> got it fixed.. via ssh.. xscreen couldnt read /etc/pam.d/common-session ...
[16:09] <svector> mistakenly got here
[16:10] <Gallomimia> svector: is this C++? you're going to have to look at the signature for the Bundle.putInt function in order to find out. does this function ask for its args by reference or as a copy?
[16:10] <deitarion> hitsujiTMO: That looks like it fixed it. Thanks.
[16:11] <hitsujiTMO> deitarion: np at all
[16:12] <deitarion> ...but now we've got another problem. Ever since I tried running Firefox with pasuspender to gather data on why his Flash audio might be stuttering, he's had no sound because his pavucontrol keeps flickering between speakers and headphones, forcing a ALSA mixer mute each time it happens.
[16:12] <deitarion> s/a ALSA/a full ALSA/
[16:13] <Patero-ng> is there a way to view pictures on ubuntu server and those picture being from internet source
[16:13] <Ubnoobtu> saiar895: So, I have a question. What drivers am I using>?
[16:14] <deitarion> I don't know how to fix that. Ripping PulseAudio out of my system is coded into the post-installer setup script I always run on my systems. (I'd do it on his too since it causes latency in LMMS but, at the ALSA level, his system sets the S/PDIF output as default and I don't know how to change that without writing a whole new asoundrc.)
[16:14] <k1l> Patero-ng: what does ubuntu server has to do with it?
[16:15] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: I'm guessing the open-source Nouveau drivers, but can you open Terminal and type in "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"?
[16:15] <Patero-ng> k1l: is the only ubuntu installed
[16:16] <Patero-ng> and I love using termianal remains me of my time using dos
[16:17] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: i think you need to install fbida    its the image addon for w3m iirc
[16:17] <Gallomimia> patero-ng curl and wget are good cli tools for fetching content from a http server. including pictures
[16:18] <jasic> guys why the ubuntu doesn't feature a cool integration for bluetooth services
[16:19] <Patero-ng> Gallomimia: but then how do I see the picture?
[16:19] <k1l> jasic: a "cool"? it does integrate bluetooth already
[16:20] <dannymichel> to make fonts look exactly like this using Infinality? http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=148200&p=777346#p777346
[16:20] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: explain me more
[16:20] <jasic> k1l, it just integrate but doesn't features more services
[16:20] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: you want to view images on web in ubuntu-server right?
[16:21] <deitarion> Ok. I've figured that out. PulseAudio was muted and it applies its settings whenever the jack sense changes and it appears the jack sensing is messed up.
[16:21] <dannymichel> I will pay someone to do it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182682&page=2&p=12826805#post12826805
[16:21] <Ubnoobtu> saiar895: now its listing drivers for the videocard, which do I pick?
[16:22] <Patero-ng> yes hitsujiTMO
[16:22] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: where? Terminal or Software and Updates?
[16:22] <Ubnoobtu> software and updates
[16:23] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: w3m is the default web browser on ubuntu server but is text only. fbida adds image support
[16:23] <wilee-nilee> !mint | dannymichel
[16:23] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: sweet
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> on this image with the new laptop under windows and ubuntu
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> http://filelist.ro/styles/images/header-silver.png
[16:24] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: interesting. Is there a recommended driver, or something indicated?
[16:24] <Wiz_KeeD> it flickers pretty bad...
[16:24] <hitsujiTMO> dannymichel: i think you are reffering to font hinting. try installing unity-tweak-tool and changing font hinting to medium or full
[16:25] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: one the is propietary and tested
[16:25] <Patero-ng> is there a command to know the latest programs installed
[16:25] <Gallomimia> Wiz_KeeD: things still flickering??
[16:25] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: try that one.
[16:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Gallomimia, yes sir it is!
[16:26] <Gallomimia> if it flickers under both OS's you have one of three things wrong: possibly some software in the GPU and board is messed up. Possibly something in your bios is messed up. Most likely there's a hardware problem and you should return it. Seek hardware testing suites to look
[16:26] <Ubnoobtu> how would I find out how to open the settings once I do that. I have a hard time remember what each command is to open up those menus
[16:26] <tubaguy_> Is there a way to allow a user to restart a service, but not added it to sudoers?
[16:26] <Wiz_KeeD> Gallomimia, they updated the bios btw! at the warranty
[16:26] <tubaguy_> add*
[16:27] <Gallomimia> Patero-ng: yes. it's dpkg. read the manual and find out how to list all installed packages. it should have an option to list by install date
[16:27] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: sudoers can probably let you restrict the commands each group of "sudo" capable users is allowed to do
[16:27] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: you can just hit the start key, type in "Software", and either "Software & Updates" or "Software Sources" should come up.
[16:28] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: from there, you can enable or disable proprietary drivers
[16:28] <tubaguy_> Gallomimia: I have this in visudo: username ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/php5-fpm
[16:28] <Gallomimia> Wiz_KeeD: if that's something that has changed since your last "working" state of this computer, then you should look into that very strongly. i was going to say it's probably not that cause no one changed it... but they did.
[16:29] <tubaguy_> Gallomimia: When I try "sudo /etc/init.d/php5-fpm stop" I get no feedback and the service doesn't stop.
[16:29] <frojnd> I don't know if this is vbox question or not. The thing is that I've installed guest addons for ubuntu 12.4. Yet when I press combination of keys (My host is running xmonad) to switch windows it wont. It's stuck inside window where guest is running. Is this ubuntu 12.04 issue or virtualbox issue?
[16:29] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: unfortunately i'm not well versed in sudo. i know enough to think it's possible but i need to study it myself
[16:29] <tubaguy_> here's where I'm at if anyone can help: http://serverfault.com/questions/548362/user-with-root-privileges-to-restart-a-service-cant
[16:29] <cheater_3> hi
[16:30] <cheater_3> do the mainline kernel builds in the kernel ppa have pae support?
[16:30] <Calinou> hi, I may upgrade to 13.10 soon, and currently I have nvidia driver installed from xorg-edgers, what is the best option to do before upgrade? switch to nouveau?
[16:31] <Ubnoobtu> okay, so I found out I could sudo nvidia-settings but its now saying that... " you do not appear to be sing the NVIDIA X driver, please edit your X configuration file, ( just run ' nvidia-xconfig' as root), and restart the X server
[16:31] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: what is the user name you wish to allow access to that service?
[16:32] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: follow what it says. Run "sudo nvidia-xconfig".
[16:32] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: strativent
[16:33] <Ubnoobtu> in the terminal its saying IBUS WARNING**: The Owner is of /home/******/.config/ibus/bus is not root!
[16:33] <saiarcot895> Calinou: You might want to use ppa-purge to revert to the official packages from xorg-edgers and then upgrade, so that there are no version conflicts and so that it's a clean upgrade
[16:33] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: ignore that
[16:33] <Calinou> saiarcot895: ok, thanks :)
[16:33] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: if permissions on your script file are 755 everyone should be able to execute it
[16:34] <Gallomimia> shouldn't need sudo at all
[16:34] <Calinou> saiarcot895: if I use ppa-purge, which driver will be used?
[16:34] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: add the line: strativent ALL= /etc/init.d/php5-fpm
[16:34] <Calinou> nouveau or nvidia proprietary?
[16:34] <Calinou> not that important i know, just wanting to know :)
[16:34] <saiarcot895> Calinou: I think you'll still be using the nvidia drivers
[16:35] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: okay, I ran sudo nvidia-xconfig. New X configuration file written to '/etc/x11/xorg.conf'
[16:35] <Gallomimia> tubaguy_: that being said i'm going to suggest that possibly the script in question forks and loses privs when running as someone who can't run much with sudo
[16:35] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: now try running nvidia-settings
[16:35] <tubaguy_> Gallomimia: Correct.  It needs to be run as root.
[16:35] <hitsujiTMO> !behelpful | Gallomimia, you clearly don't understand the problem.
[16:35] <Calinou> ok
[16:35] <gotsaquestion> Hey, does anybody know what ubuntus source code is programmed in???
[16:36] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: that's not a very easy question to answer
[16:36] <Ubnoobtu> I get the same messages
[16:36] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: Ubuntu is a particular distribution, with stuff written in all kinds of languages
[16:36] <toggler> Does anybody have "extended knowledge" about 3G Modems in Ubuntu?
[16:36] <gotsaquestion> do you have any idea where i can find out???
[16:36] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: I forgot the part where it said "restart the X server"
[16:36] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: find out what?
[16:37] <esing> hi
[16:37] <wylde> gotsaquestion, pick a package, grab the source and have a look ;)
[16:37] <Ubnoobtu> okay so it just when all crazy colored and whent black
[16:37] <gotsaquestion> what ubuntu 13.04 is programmed in (source code-wise)
[16:37] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: I already told you
[16:37] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: I already did that.  In that ServerFault question I did "strativent ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/php5-fpm"
[16:37] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: its back, normally.
[16:37] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: lots of different languages
[16:37] <esing> I have issues with ubuntu's radeon driver. I noticed this error in kern.log, what does it mean? http://dpaste.com/1428205/
[16:37] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: it's not one single project
[16:38] <gotsaquestion> is there a primary language? C maybe?
[16:38] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: In auth.log I see that strativent calls the command as root, but nothing happens.
[16:38] <wylde> gotsaquestion, it's not one big source. It's many many packages coded in a number of languages.
[16:38] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: depends which bit you look at
[16:38] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: the Linux kernel is written in C
[16:38] <saiarcot895> gotsaquestion: for starters, there's C++, Python, and C
[16:38] <Boneslash>       #
[16:38] <Ubnoobtu> how do I restart the server
[16:38] <gotsaquestion> Oh yeah, duh... Sorry I didn't realize that
[16:38] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: try "sudo restart lightdm"
[16:39] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: have you ensured that all configs are correct? doesnt not seem like a sudo issue then?
[16:39] <gotsaquestion> How secure would you say Raring Ringtail is anyway? Like, are there any known vulnerabilities?
[16:39] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: Root can start and stop the service just fine
[16:39] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I tried looking for fbida but is not listed
[16:39] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: pretty secure
[16:40] <costales> Hi! Where can I send an email to Canonical about a mobile business collaboration? Thanks in advance! :)
[16:40] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: as more people use the released version, more bugs get shaken out
[16:40] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895: the sudo restart caused me to go to the log in window, and when i signed back in, the only thing on screen is my mouse cursor
[16:40] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: after a while the updates slow down, as it all gets worked out ;-)
[16:40] <gotsaquestion> But since it's open source, any programmer amongst all the contributors could leave a backdoor or something, right???
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> costales  ubuntu.com  contact
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: theoretically, yes
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: but it tends to get spotted straight away
[16:41] <toggler> If there is noone with knowledge for 3G Modems in linux: Would there be a more specific channel
[16:41] <toggler> where i could get help?
[16:41] <gordonjcp> toggler: don't ask to ask
[16:41] <Gallomimia> do believe i've read stories about such backdoors being spotted swiftly
[16:41] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: try fbi then
[16:41] <gotsaquestion> Oh. That's cool. I was worried about that
[16:41] <gordonjcp> toggler: just ask your specific question
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: in proprietary OSes you can hide all sorts of nasty stuff
[16:41] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: I know, I've done it ;-)
[16:42] <malinus> gotsaquestion, you got it the other way around. Closed source, proprietary software almost definitely has backdoors, because why not? Open source software don't have that freedom because it can be reviewed.
[16:42] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: are there relative links in the config?
[16:42] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: which config?
[16:42] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: still nothing has come up?
[16:42] <gotsaquestion> proprietary OSes?
[16:42] <Ubnoobtu> nothing
[16:42] <Gallomimia> gotsaquestion: that exact story is why OpenSource in the first place
[16:42] <Ubnoobtu> should I reinstall?
[16:43] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: did you see the one about the root elevation trick that *nearly* got through, which came down to the difference between "==" and "=" in one part of the kernel?
[16:43] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: for php5-fpm. such as relative symlinks or relative paths being reffered?
[16:43] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: Nope.  Like I said, root can start and stop the service just fine.
[16:43] <gotsaquestion> So, what's the big difference between UNIX and Linux anyway? Is it the GUI or something?
[16:43] <gordonjcp> Gallomimia: long time ago now
[16:43] <Gallomimia> esing: i'm trying to compare your issue to mine from a week ago...
[16:44] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: can anyone with sudo group start and stop the service?
[16:44] <tubaguy_> hitsujiTMO: Yes.  I just don't want this user to have sudo access to everything.
[16:44] <gordonjcp> gotsaquestion: UNIX is a specific trademark, and to be called UNIX a Unix-like OS has to meet a certain set of criteria
[16:44] <moppy> gotsaquestion: originally linux was a clone of unix, but they;ve diverged now. some unix are open source btw
[16:44] <Gallomimia> gordonjcp: no i don't think i did. sounds interesting. i think the one i was looking at was something in the repo that didn't get checked in thru normal channels. obv someone must have hacked their repo and added stuff hoping to slip it thru
[16:45] <moppy> gotsaquestion: and there's lot of unix that are not named unix, for example citrix's netscalar
[16:45] <toggler> On my mobile phone I can make hash-tag requests (call *102#) and receive back a notice from my provider, can I do something similar with my 3G modem?
[16:45] <gotsaquestion> And Linux doesn't have a set of criteria?
[16:45] <k1l> !ot | gotsaquestion
[16:45] <costales> Thanks MonkeyDust :) I found this http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/contact-us I think is more specific. Thanks! :)
[16:45] <hitsujiTMO> tubaguy_: at this point, i'll bow out. unsure as to where along the line the issue is failing
[16:45] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: at this point, I'm not sure.
[16:46] <moppy> gotsaquestion: its open source and anyone can fork it, im not sure that's really a relevant way it think about it
[16:47] <Gallomimia> linux is linux. there's no linux-like things afaik. all distros are based on the linux kernel plus other things they like
[16:48] <Ubnoobtu> okay, I restarted
[16:48] <Gallomimia> esing what drivers did you install, and what card do you have?\
[16:48] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot985, I had to force restart it, and now when I logged in, everything came up.,
[16:48] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: ok
[16:49] <leo-the-manic> Hi all. Trying to install the Jenkins tool following their instructions (https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Installing+Jenkins+on+Ubuntu). However when I run "apt-get install jenkins" it installs an old version (1.424); which seems to be in an Ubuntu package list. I don't have in-depth knowledge of apt-get; how can I use it to install the newer version from the Jenkins site?
[16:49] <Gallomimia> esing: i had problems with the radeon drivers too. first i tried installing specific drivers for the radeonHD7790 card i have, but that made things worse. i installed the generic catalyst package they have next, and everything works great
[16:49] <Ubnoobtu> saiarcot895 : Now I'd like to use the card settings to adjust the size of the display to fit within my monitor
[16:49] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I installed fbi but when I load w3m and go to facebook I can't see any images why
[16:50] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: go into Settings>Displays, and change the resolution
[16:50] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: did you add the software source as given in the top lines of that page you linked from jenkins site?
[16:50] <k610> is : "service --status-all" really showing all runing services ?
[16:50] <saiarcot895> Ubnoobtu: changing the resolution may or may not work, depending on the TV settings
[16:50] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: I think so, but I don't know how to check that it worked
[16:50] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: I ran all the shell code on the site
[16:51] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: w3m has limited javascript support (unfortunately is the case for all terminal browsers). the fb images are displayed with js
[16:51] <Gallomimia> really the only way is to view the file called /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jenkins.list and also make sure aptget is looking at that source
[16:51] <Pici> Patero-ng: keep in mind that framebuffer images will only display if you are working locally on the server, it will not work over SSH.
[16:52] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: an alternative browser you could try is links2
[16:52] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: That file does have the jenkins-ci.org line. How can I check/make it that apt-get is looking at that source?
[16:52] <Ubnoobtu> yyyaaaaaaay
[16:52] <Ubnoobtu> Saiarcot985, You did it man
[16:52] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I'll try another website
[16:53] <Gallomimia> Patero-ng: if you really want a gui on a ubuntu-server i suggest you run an xwindow server. you can view it on a remote machine, and you can use gui web browsers and all that
[16:53] <gordonjcp> Patero-ng: GUI on a server?  Why?
[16:53] <gordonjcp> Patero-ng: terrible idea
[16:53] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: this i don't know. i think i'm only slightly ahead of you in understanding apt-get and sources. i've never personally seen the sources split into multiple files within a .d folder like that
[16:54] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: but, maybe if you try apt-get update it will list out all the sources it just checked, and you'll find a jenkins-ci.org url at the bottom
[16:54] <esing> Gallomimia, The radeon driver which comes with ubuntu and I have the ati hd 7750
[16:54] <esing> Gallomimia, I got adviced to enable v-sync, since it seems to be vertical tearing
[16:54] <Gallomimia> esing: very very similar to mine. i had to install a driver from amd.com
[16:55] <Gallomimia> oh. mine's tearing a lot too, but at least there's gpu acceleration where there was none before
[16:55] <Gallomimia> esing: at first it was like... "why is this game running at 2.5fps and taking 400% cpu!?"
[16:56] <esing> Gallomimia, Hm, I thought I can install the proprietary driver also with the package fglrx
[16:56] <esing> And you still got tearing?
[16:56] <Gallomimia> that's the one that didn't work
[16:56] <akShri> hi, can anyone help me install murrian theme engine, i m using ubuntu gnome 13.10 with gnome updated to 3.10
[16:56] <esing> (When watching videos?)
[16:56] <Gallomimia> in fact everything went slower after installing that
[16:56] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: apt-get update does look at jenkins-ci.org. It also complains (which I forgot to mention earlier) about a "duplicate sources.list entry"; pasted the error to https://dpaste.de/to4X
[16:56] <hitsujiTMO> esing what is the output of cat /etc/issue
[16:56] <wilee-nilee> ! ppa | akShri
[16:56] <esing> hitsujiTMO, Ubuntu 13.10
[16:58] <hays> i have the kernel update blues
[16:58] <fahadash> What kind of stuff ppa can do ?
[16:58] <Patero-ng> ok I am using nano and I want to copy a line of text I tried control 6 and I can mark the text but I can't copy it on memory and and I know paste is shift insert but I'm not sure help
[16:58] <hitsujiTMO> esing: which drivers are you using exactly?
[16:58] <fahadash> Or what regular softwares can do that ppas cant ?
[16:58] <hays> is there a way to update to raring while keeping my nice comfy old 12.04 LTS kernel
[16:58] <wilee-nilee> fahadash, WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages
[16:58] <Gallomimia> nano does not use a clipboard sharable with other softare
[16:58] <ihre> when a make command gets interrupted by ctrl+c, should make clean/distclean be run?
[16:59] <Gallomimia> uh.... probably make can recover from that
[16:59] <hays> ihre: probably not needed
[16:59] <esing> hitsujiTMO, xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[16:59] <saiarcot895> leo-the-manic: you have some entries that get packages from hardy, when you are running precise. You need to open Software Sources and correct that (and the duplicate entries)
[16:59] <fahadash> wilee-nilee: PPAs have access to all resources of the system that a Software would have ?
[17:00] <ihre> hays: how can I check wheter I should run make clean or not ?
[17:00] <hays> its not something you really check for
[17:01] <jhutchins> ihre: It really depends on the package, but it's probably best to start over.
[17:01] <Gallomimia> easing: this is the driver I used. I installed it right over top of the HD7790 driver which failed for me. Things basically "work" in that department so i moved on till I can get some time to really fiddle with it
[17:01] <hitsujiTMO> esing: 7000 series graphics only have had support to them in the radeon driver. i would report the issue as a bug on launchpad. in the mean time, it might be an idea to switch to the proprietary drivers
[17:01] <hays> bah just run make again
[17:01] <saiarcot895> fahadash: If you add the PPA to your system and install packages from it, yes
[17:01] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: what version of this software SHOULD it be installing?
[17:01] <naxil> ciao ragazzi
[17:01] <ihre> jhutchins: what do you mean by start over? just run make again, or from scratch?
[17:01] <jhutchins> ihre: use make clean.  You shouldn't need to run .configure.
[17:02] <esing> hitsujiTMO, Good to know thanks. Already reported the bug to launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1243415
[17:02] <ihre> so thats 50/50
[17:02] <hays> or just run make again
[17:02] <Azer> Hello, raid 1 of the OS on desktop possible?
[17:02] <Wiz_KeeD> Gallomimia, i'm returning it tommorow, hope they will take it back and give me my money
[17:02] <Gallomimia> esing hitsujiTMO i got confused while working on this myself. is there not a huge difference between radeon 7000 series and radeon HD 7000 series?
[17:03] <hays> is there a way to update to raring while keeping my nice comfy old 12.04 LTS kernel?
[17:03] <hays> I ask because the new kernels apparently hose up my wifi driver
[17:03] <Wiz_KeeD> Do you have any suggestions as to how to pick a notebook in general that will work with ubuntu and without general problems?
[17:03] <Gallomimia> Azer: possible. you need proper hardware. raid controllers + boot volumes = headaches
[17:03] <Wiz_KeeD> A few rules of thumb so to speak
[17:03] <Azer> Gallomimia, i should have stated software raid..
[17:04] <hitsujiTMO> Gallomimia: sorry meant hd 7000. 7000 series are so old that they may not even exist anymore
[17:04] <Azer> Gallomimia, during a fresh install
[17:04] <hays> Wiz_KeeD: my advice-- not really possible. exception is to buy a laptop with linux preloaded and never upgrade
[17:04] <DYnamo_> Hello, Im having a hard time installing my Wireless USB stick (Linksys WUSB54G ver 3) i read so many threads and man pages but still not good, any idea guys?
[17:04] <Gallomimia> Wiz_KeeD: i'd go straight ahead and find a notebook that comes with ubuntu pre-installed. they exist
[17:04] <Wiz_KeeD> yeah they do Gallomimia but that does not neccesairly mean they have good driver support
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> hays, never upgrade? that's silly
[17:05] <hitsujiTMO> !hcl | Wiz_KeeD
[17:05] <Wiz_KeeD> It's just some guy like me and you that installed it there
[17:05] <Gallomimia> hitsujiTMO: ah okay. haven't been well versed in the video boards labeling schema for the last 10 years, till i got on the shopping bug
[17:05] <hays> Wiz_KeeD: well, if you don't want to deal with any problems, that's what you do
[17:05] <DYnamo_> Im getting this:
[17:05] <jhutchins> Wiz_KeeD: You can also look through the mailing lists and hardware sites and see what works well for peple.  I've had Toshibas, Dells, Acers, and Thinkpads and they all worked pretty well.
[17:05] <DYnamo_> [ 1012.855243] usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2800usb
[17:05] <DYnamo_> [ 1014.072703] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan1: link is not ready
[17:05] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: 1.5
[17:05] <wilee-nilee> DYnamo_, there are many that plug and work, buy one.
[17:05] <jhutchins> Wiz_KeeD: Try to go for something that's been out for a while instead of the latest and greatest.
[17:06] <Wiz_KeeD> I have DELL and still have problems with wireless network and i'm shipping back an ACER now because of the graphics card and optimus shizzle
[17:06] <hays> Wiz_KeeD: I have a fully supported Asus linux laptop and the update to 13.x killed my wifi. doesn't work any more despite being a supported card in the kernel
[17:06] <Wiz_KeeD> ouch
[17:06] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: i seem to have forgotten the command that lets you list versions available and installed and the source for a given package. but it should start with dpkg. read man pages, lookup on google, or hopefully someone else here can give you more info
[17:06] <hays> so... if you don't want to be rooting out BS problems like that...  i think you have to stick with whatever is "supported'
[17:06] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: also there's http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[17:07] <Wiz_KeeD> Dell has the most support I see...
[17:07] <hitsujiTMO> hays: you may need to blacklist a conflicting kernel module
[17:09] <Wiz_KeeD> this is a REALLy good link hitsujiTMO
[17:09] <Wiz_KeeD> When I like a laptop I just check if it's here
[17:10] <Gallomimia> holy wow. Wiz_KeeD yeah it's awesome. i'm going to look up all my NAS drives and other devices
[17:11] <Wiz_KeeD> :D
[17:11] <mehdi> anybody knows how can i setup kerio connection ?
[17:12] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: Ah I found the apt-cache madison command which shows that 1.5 is available. Although apt-cache show still shows 1.4; if I do "apt-get install jenkins=1.5" will it not auto-update? My head hurts
[17:12] <Gallomimia> leo-the-manic: you've now passed me in knowledge of the subject. i'll learn from you at this point
[17:13] <leo-the-manic> Gallomimia: Haha well thank you for your help to here, it's much appreciated
 ok solved it lol
[17:14] <DYnamo_> wilee-nilee: im so goofy i spent all day yesterday reading so many things and man pages and it turned out that i just had to set the essid and trigger it with ifconfig
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Dude what is with this integrated graphics proccesor?
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> Optimus and all that crap?
[17:15] <Gallomimia> :/
[17:15] <Wiz_KeeD> If you have a 2gb 4gb video card, what 's the point?
[17:15] <Gallomimia> secondary or backup?
[17:16] <Wiz_KeeD> but whyyy? :)))
[17:17] <Xtreme> Hey guys
[17:17] <Gallomimia> plug your dual 40" 1ms gaming displays into your radeon and use the 15" display on the integrated for a terminal running top, volume control\ and some risque backgrounds cycling?
[17:17] <Xtreme> Using XFCE here. Its still remembering previous session even when i have unmarked it
[17:17] <Gallomimia> Hi Xtreme
[17:17] <Xtreme> what can i do
[17:18] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I tried links2 and tried to load a jpg image but it only showed gargabe instead is there an fbi for links2? btw the same link for w3m only showed an empty black screen and I had fbi for it
[17:19] <cariveri> hi. normal booting results in black screen, recovery mode boot + "resume" = everything works. what can I do?
[17:21] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, install a desktop to view images on your server, w3m has its limitations
[17:21] <leo-the-manic> Is anyone good at 'pinning'? How can I pin when the package is provided by a source line that looks like this? "deb http://pkg.jenkins-ci.org/debian binary/"
[17:22] <fishsystem> hai what's the shortcut for mininiininimiminizing windows? ctrl+super+down only restores a window, not minimizes it
[17:22] <genii> !nomodeset | cariveri ..might want to try this
[17:22] <Patero-ng> OerHeks: I just want to see image files I am not looking for javascript support I use to watch images on a dos 5.0 palmtop that was like 20mhz
[17:22] <Patero-ng> don't tell me it can't be done
[17:22] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: alt-tab or alt ~ might get you where you want to go
[17:23] <OerHeks> Patero-ng, good luck with it.
[17:23] <fishsystem> Gallomimia: I want to hide my pr0n window but keep everything else up
[17:23] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: That's just the repo, not a packge name. You can prevent updates for a package by using the following command (IF that's what you want, I'm not certain it is): echo "package_name_here hold" | sudo dpkg --set-selections
[17:24] <Gallomimia> oh i got it backwards i thought you wanted it to popup on demand ;)
[17:24] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: I don't want to prevent updates, I want to grab a newer version from this source in prefrence to an older version from the official Ubuntu source
[17:24] <Gallomimia> which... now that i think about it, i should have probably recommended a pill instead
[17:24] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: The package name is jenkins btw
[17:24] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: Uh. APT will always install the latest version.
[17:24] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: No matter what the source.
[17:25] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: ctrl+alt+numzero
[17:25] <GeekDude> I'm trying to get internet over bluetooth to work with my ubuntu desktop & BT adapter sharing it's ethernet over bluetooth to a Windows XP tablet with built in BT. I got it to connect, but pages don't load in chrome
[17:25] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: try: links2 -g     i'm not familiar with links2 tbh .... have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1225697 for more ideas
[17:25] <Xtreme> anyone?
[17:25] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: Oh. Huh. Well I dunno if I changed something but yeah it seems to be working the way I want now. Before it kept installing an older version
[17:25] <fishsystem> Gallomimia: ah, thank you very much
[17:25] <leo-the-manic> theadmin: Thank you for that lol
[17:25] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: found in system settings > keyboard > shortcuts > window > minimize window. you can change it
[17:26] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: Maybe you forgot to run an apt-get update
[17:26] <theadmin> leo-the-manic: Happens.
[17:26] <Gallomimia> fishsystem: i suggest you add another modifier and use a button close to them to promote one handed presses of that combo.........
[17:27] <GeekDude> Does anyone here have experience doing this?
[17:27] <cconstantine> Hey guys, I tried to install skype and it's failed with a "skype:i386 : Depends: libqt4-webkit:i386 (>= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed".  I don't particularly care about skype, but it's preventing me from doing any other apt action.  How do I tell apt to forget about skype?
[17:27] <FxMr> http://www.nelsonpires.com/software/dimmer/ Is there a similar program for linux?
[17:28] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: have you used ping to discover how far you are allowed to go on the "internet" ping the other device, ping its router, ping 8.8.8.8 and similar known public machines. then do a dig and host on some domains
[17:28] <theadmin> FxMr: See http://justgetflux.com
[17:29] <hitsujiTMO> cconstantine: sudo dpkg -r skype:i386 && sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:29] <thnee> When running an alternative desktop (awesome), magnet links don't open in deluge. gconf-editor says it should, and gnome-settings-daemon is running. What else might be needed?
[17:29] <cconstantine> hitsujiTMO, thank you :)
[17:30] <FxMr> theadmin: thx
[17:30] <cconstantine> hitsujiTMO, that was a very hard thing to google for
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> fxfm: you can also do it at the command line with xrandr
[17:30] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: pinging localhost works, pinging 192.168.1.1 (the router) does not work, and neither google nor google's dns work.
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> cconstantine: surprising considering how many people it catches
[17:30] <theadmin> FxMr: Err, never mind. I misunderstood the description of dimmer.
[17:30] <theadmin> FxMr: Flux is not what you are looking for.
[17:31] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: type ifconfig and see if you like the results
[17:31] <Gallomimia> also ping not localhost but the non-localhost ip of the local system.
[17:31] <Gallomimia> whatever that might be 192.168.1.2 sounds like a good candidate
[17:31] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I'm troubleshooting the XP end; IPConfig gives 169.254.204.146 as teh autoconfiguration IP address, and 255.255.0.0 for the subnet mask. all the other values are blank.
[17:32] <z2s8> Is it safe to replace unity with GNOME, or should do a reinstall w/ Ubuntu gnome?
[17:32] <theadmin> z2s8: Sure is safe, no problems would arise
[17:32] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: so your ubuntu system doesn't have a network configuration for the bluetooth adapter?
[17:32] <z2s8> I'm scared of dependency errors ;)
[17:32] <Gallomimia> set that up and you'll make progress. manual set up in system settings > network
[17:33] <wilee-nilee> z2s8, unity is a plugin in compiz running on gnome 3, what gnome are you referring to, the gnome shell, fallback gnome 2?
[17:33] <z2s8> Gnome 3.8, the interface
[17:33] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I'm confused, do I need to set something up I didn't? I just apt-get installed blueman, and enabled NAP in the "Local services" menu
[17:33] <Wiz_KeeD> I cannot seem to find a dual-bay hdd laptop on 15 inch
[17:33] <wilee-nilee> z2s8, the gnome shell, don't exspect support if you use a ppa.
[17:34] <z2s8> Willee-nilee I suppose its gnome shell
[17:34] <z2s8> Yep all good then
[17:34] <Gallomimia> you need to assign that adaptor an ip address, tell it what its router and subnet mask are, and provide a server to use for dns queries
[17:34] <wilee-nilee> z2s8, I use the shell myself
[17:34] <z2s8> I'll give it a shot, thx guys!
[17:34] <Gallomimia> either your XP machine will provide your ubuntu system all that with a dhcp server, or you'll do it by hand
[17:34] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: So basically, I have to manually point it at all the relevant addresses?
[17:34] <Gallomimia> yeah
[17:35] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: use at your own risk: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/9-5mm-SATA-to-SATA-2nd-HDD-Hard-Drive-Universal-Caddy-CD-ROM-Pro-Optical-bay-/320987078390?pt=UK_Collectables_HardDriveEnclosures_RL&hash=item4abc521ef6
[17:35] <Gallomimia> router is what you gave me. pick an ip you like on the same subnet, put subnet mask to 255.255.255.0
[17:35] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Where do I find a menu to do this?
[17:35] <Gallomimia> system settings > network
[17:35] <Wiz_KeeD> hitsujiTMO, to replace the standard dvd-rom /
[17:35] <Wiz_KeeD> ?
[17:35] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: yes
[17:36] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I have two options, "Wired" and "Network proxy"
[17:36] <Wiz_KeeD> wouldn't that be at much lower speeds hitsujiTMO ?
[17:36] <Gallomimia> click the + button at the bottom of that list
[17:36] <hitsujiTMO> Wiz_KeeD: not necessarily. most likely sata1 speed ... depends on what interface the mobo is using
[17:37] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: It gives me the option to create a VPN, is that what I'm looking for?
[17:37] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: maybe the wired one is your bluetooth adapter?
[17:37] <Gallomimia> no, vpn is not what you want
[17:37] <Gallomimia> do you have a wired connection on this device?
[17:38] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Ethernet wired connection on the desktop
[17:38] <GeekDude> (The one that is running ubuntu)
[17:38] <Gallomimia> but.... not how you're trying to connect?
[17:38] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I'm trying to connect to wifi over bluetooth from XP to Ubuntu
[17:38] <Gallomimia> k.... your networking system doesn't know about your bluetooth yet
[17:38] <caadubuntu> ok
[17:38] <Gallomimia> you're trying to establish a bluetooth network from ubuntu desktop to xp... laptop?
[17:39] <caadubuntu> no
[17:39] <GeekDude> XP "laptop", it's an x86 fujistu tablet
[17:39] <caadubuntu> yes
[17:39] <Gallomimia> ah that's the issue. it has no ethernet :) limited options man... pretty ballsy to attempt this at all
[17:40] <GeekDude> I'm trying to get the laptop to use internet over bluetooth, and the desktop to use internet over ethernet, while sharing with the tablet.
[17:40] <GeekDude> tablet/laptop
[17:40] <GeekDude> the tablet runs XP, the desktop, ubuntu 12.04
[17:41] <Gallomimia> k, so the desktop has internet thru it's wired connection?
[17:41] <GeekDude> yes
[17:42] <Gallomimia> ah. same problem, different direction. later in this process you'll want some kind of natd to run in your system. i think that's built in isn't it?
[17:42] <hid> hi is there a way to type non-breaking spaces in numbers?
[17:42] <Gallomimia> anyway, the problem i see now is getting your bluetooth device to be recognized as a network interface
[17:42] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I wouldn't know. I'm not sure what a natd *is*. I'm not much for networking
[17:43] <hid> I'd like to follow the systeme international of units
[17:43] <Gallomimia> hid i would suggest you change the formatting and make the entire cell not wrap. i don't know if there's an actual nbsp
[17:43] <wagonboi> How would I check if my NIC has a correctly installed driver?
[17:43] <hid> i mean, automatically by typing the spacebar in numbers*
[17:44] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: natd stands for network address translation, and it's what home-based routers do to share internet like this. you need a program on your desktop to work with it
[17:44] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Should I go with blueztools and try to set things up with the command line instead of with blueman
[17:44] <uvala> test
[17:45] <Gallomimia> bluetooth on ubuntu is a bit beyond my knowledge
[17:45] <sarah33> hi everyone, I have a little problem, my brother has installed ubuntu on my laptop, and the fglrx didn't work, so he has explained to me that he had downloaded them from ati website and installed it. With the fglrx ubuntu version, the laptop cannot start, startup is blocked on purple screen. so the last time, ha has use grub recovery mode en use something like "check for damaged packages" to enable read/write on the disk and then go
[17:45] <sarah33>  to root shell and remove all fglrx packets. My problem is: I have updated ubuntu to 13.10 and I think fglrx is now ubuntu one because the laptop freeze on startup at purple screen, but grub recovery mode doesn't work, check for damaged packages works infinitely as graphical safe boot. So now I'm on the live cd and I want to chroot my system and remove fglrx, could someone help me to do that?
[17:46] <uvala> test
[17:46] <wagonboi> uvala, A+
[17:47] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: what I want to do now is configure your network adaptor and the network between the tablet and the desktop. but somewhere in the plugging in a device, populating it to /dev, using its driver, and recognizing it as a network adaptor, something's not complete, and i am lost
[17:48] <uvala> hello everyone, I have  problem getting sound in audacity, can anyone maybe help?
[17:48] <uvala> wagonboi, I couldnt understand your reply
[17:48] <hitsujiTMO> sarah33: try booting with the kernel option nomodeset
[17:49] <esing> I want to install the proprietary drivers for my ati graphic card. Do I just install the package fglrx or do I also have to tell ubuntu to stop using radeon?
[17:49] <sarah33> hitsujiTMO, ok I have see that on internet, so at the boot, I'm pressing 'e' and change the concerned line but right after that I don't know what to do, how to save this modification and boot, if I press F10, the system start but freeze too
[17:50] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: Do you think doing something like this would work? http://www.jasonernst.com/2011/11/29/creating-a-bluetooth-access-point-nap-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[17:50] <uvala> hello everyone, I have  problem getting sound in audacity, can anyone maybe help?
[17:50] <hitsujiTMO> !nomodeset | sarah33 have a look at the tutorials here
[17:50] <oi> I need a help with ubuntu server perfomace
[17:50] <rostam> Hi is there a link for how ubuntu rc script framework? thx
[17:50] <theadmin> !rootirc | sarah33
[17:50] <oi> the system is very slow
[17:50] <oi> but there is no botleneck
[17:50] <oi> IO is fine
[17:50] <oi> disk space is fine
[17:50] <oi> memory fine
[17:50] <cariveri> thanks genii . I will try nomodset.
[17:50] <oi> cpu 99 idle
[17:51] <^Phantom^> does xubuntu have full wine support?
[17:51] <oi> any ideas?
[17:52] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: What? That question doesn't even make sense. WINE is present in all the official Ubuntu derivatives' repositories, yes.
[17:52] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: But WINE isn't a supported piece of software per se, you'd need to go to #winehq for WINE support.
[17:54] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: im reading, but its looking promising
[17:54] <^Phantom^> theadmin, let me refine this question then, does xubuntu get access to the full wine environment?
[17:54] <^Phantom^> Seeing as it's a lighter 'buntu, and all
[17:54] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: bridge is better than natd
[17:55] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: So, this is what I should be doing/looking for?
[17:55] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: Basically... All the official Ubuntu versions (Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu and Lubuntu) have full access to all sotware present in the Ubuntu Repositories (or the Ubuntu Software Centre), so as long as the machine has internet connection, yes, you can install WINE in full.
[17:55] <Gallomimia> GeekDude: also, this guide is for 2 ubuntu computers. you'll need to adapt the instructions for the xp side of the link
[17:55] <^Phantom^> That's what i was interested in.  Thankies.
[17:55] <GeekDude> Gallomimia: I think the only difference is I don't need to bother with configuring the XP side
[17:55] <GeekDude> I'm not positive, though. Can't hurt to try
[17:56] <Gallomimia> yeah it should be ready. just wait for the bluetooth handshake
[17:56] <^Phantom^> I need to set my mom's xubuntu pc up to run wine
[17:56] <Gallomimia> k, so first add the bridge connection to /etc/network/interfaces like it says
[17:56] <Gallomimia> oh.
[17:56] <Gallomimia> it says get pairing done before anything else
[17:56] <theadmin> ^Phantom^: If the target machine is NOT going to have internet connection, but you have an existing machine running Ubuntu, you can easily build a custom ISO for that machine using the Ubuntu Customization Kit.
[17:56] <Gallomimia> and to use blueman from the repos
[17:57] <^Phantom^> Oh that is neat.
[17:57] <^Phantom^> It's already set up, though
[17:57] <^Phantom^> But that is neat.
[17:58] <basichash> On vim I keep getting "E325: ATTENTION - Found a swap file by the name xxx.y" every time I open a file. How can I stop this from happening?
[17:58] <b22> poivy on ubunut 12.04
[17:58] <b22> any help or application?
[17:59] <uvala> how can I install avconv?
[17:59] <GeekDude> basichash: I think by deleting the swap file. Don't quote me on that.
[18:00] <hays> hitsujiTMO: yeah i tried all that
[18:00] <Gallomimia> i was gonna say that too. but i recommend moving it, or finding out whats in it first
[18:00] <hays> hitsujiTMO: with the blacklisting.. I tried the proprietary broadcom drivers and the open source driver
[18:00] <OerHeks> b22, no, there is no linux client > http://www.poivy.com/download
[18:01] <hays> hitsujiTMO: the odd thing is that the 12.04 LTS configuration uses the open source kernel driver with no proprietary code
[18:01] <theadmin> basichash: In your ~/.vimrc, set directory=''
[18:01] <hays> hitsujiTMO: yet the kernel update breaks it for some reason
[18:01] <theadmin> basichash: Also, vim rocks :)
[18:01] <basichash> theadmin: haha indeed it does, thanks
[18:03] <theadmin> basichash: Also, if those files appear, they're basically temporary files, and they should disappear whenever you close (:q) vi/vim/ex.
[18:05] <basichash> theadmin: oh right. is there anyway to remove the "unable to open file.swap, press ENTER to continue" when I open a file?
[18:05] <hays> hitsujiTMO: the driver in 12.04 LTS that it shipped with is brcmsmac, which I think is in the kernel sources
[18:05] <theadmin> basichash: Uh, remove file.swap itself :D
[18:05] <gordonjcp> basichash: make sure you're not editing it somewhere else first
[18:05] <Patero-ng> hola
[18:05] <gordonjcp> basichash: then delete the file
[18:06] <hays> but moving to 3.8 kernel this doesn't work anymore... and the "sta" driver also doesn't work, although has different indications of not working (heh)
[18:06] <basichash> thanks
[18:07] <Ubnoobtu> How do I get audio driver info?
[18:07] <Gallomimia> pacmd list-cards should give you something
[18:08] <fishsystem> Patero-ng: I have no idea who you are and I know you can't speak english. But I want to spend the next 3 month with you at a motel room.
[18:08] <DJones> fishsystem: Please remember this is a support channel
[18:09] <Gallomimia> sounds like he's getting some support for a real serious problem :/
[18:13] <Ubnoobtu> saiar985: You wouldn't happen to know how to I can get audio output? It's not listed, but it looks to be 5.1 audio and I'd like to test those next.
[18:14] <Kiwi_> help
[18:14] <Kiwi_> lol
[18:15] <saml> hello
[18:15] <saml> i upgraded to 13.10  and gnome keyring stuff doesn't work
[18:15] <saml> /usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[18:15] <saml> Cannot register authentication agent: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
[18:18] <sarah33> I'm back, I have tried the nomodeset for grub and that not work
[18:19] <moaz_1991> I upgraded to 13.10 last night; Nautilus crashes if I click on any file!?
[18:20] <sarah33> hitsujiTMO, I have tried your solution but the startup still freeze
[18:20] <moaz_1991> I can not access to files via nautilus (As a temporary solution, I've installed Thunar, but it's not on my desire!)
[18:21] <esing> Gallomimia, With the proprietary ati drivers I don't see any tearing yet
[18:21] <esing> Gallomimia, Also I have the impression that the overall desktop graphic is better than before
[18:22] <moaz_1991> esing: proprietary ati drivers are available for 4xxx radeon series?
[18:23] <moaz_1991> This is my video card:
[18:23] <moaz_1991> product: RV710 [Radeon HD 4350/4550]
[18:23] <esing> moaz_1991, I think yes, officially 4xxx is supported on 12.04 http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Grafikkarten/ATI/fglrx
[18:23] <esing> +it
[18:24] <moaz_1991> yeah, On 12.04, they support xorg, but I had problems with it on 12.10 and 13.04;
[18:24] <esing> Did you try fglrx on 13.10 yet?
[18:25] <Kiwi_> I cannot extend my partition that ubuntu used to be installed on
[18:25] <moaz_1991> I afraid! -> on 13.04 it ruined my system -> I reinstalled it!!!
[18:25] <moaz_1991> esing: ^
[18:25] <esing> You can always uninstall it
[18:26] <binyod> I've been asking yesterday about a conversion tool for video to audio, I found WinFF, a great one: http://is.gd/QaLQFe
[18:26] <esing> moaz_1991, Worst case you boot from a live cd and chroot into your system and the uninstall
[18:26] <belkinsa> What is the channel name for Ubuntu Touch support?
[18:27] <fishsystem> well, this is the place. May I take your order please.
[18:27] <bazhang> #ubuntu-touch belkinsa
[18:27] <belkinsa> Thank you, bazhang.
[18:27] <c|oneman> I have to type uppercase "Y" to accept packages now?
[18:27] <esing> Kiwi_, Do you mean resize the partition?
[18:27] <moaz_1991> esing: yes, I've just learnt chroot yesterday when I had a problem during upgrading to 13.10; However, I'll try that driver soon.
[18:28] <ses1984> i was wondering if anyone knew more information about this issue, regarding copying to an NFS share, the copy operation will freeze, sometimes lock up the whole desktop
[18:28] <ses1984> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478413
[18:28] <ses1984> this is marked solved, but people are continuing to have this problem, with a wide range of hardware and kernel versions
[18:28] <moaz_1991> kiwi: what do you mean? more details, please!
[18:29] <moaz_1991> NO idea for "nautilus crashing"?!
[18:30] <moaz_1991> I upgraded to 13.10 last night- ->  Nautilus crashes if I click on any file!?
[18:30] <moaz_1991> ses1984: try via command line
[18:31] <ses1984> moaz_1991: actually, i have copied via command line, using cp, rsync and scp
[18:31] <ses1984> it copies up to a couple hundred megabytes, then stops
[18:32] <moaz_1991> ses1984: If I where you (as a temporary solution), I zipped it and then try again!
[18:33] <ses1984> moaz_1991: i'm supposed to zip 900GB of hd video?
[18:33] <ses1984> its already compressed anyway
[18:33] <krabador> i must deactivate journaling from / partition on ssd, on 13.10
[18:33] <krabador> how can i do?
[18:34] <hitsujiTMO> sarah33: at this point i can only suggest backing up and data and doing a reinstall
[18:34] <wjtaylor_> what package keeps ubuntu server in line with a time server?
[18:36] <hitsujiTMO> wjtaylor_: you dont need to install a package, use ntpdate to sync, add it to a daily cron to keep it synced
[18:36] <SeuL> re
[18:36] <wjtaylor_> hitsujiTM0: thanks
[18:37] <SeuL> help
[18:38] <moaz_1991> ses1984: I dunno a real solution, but you may want to split it into smaller pieces (if it's currently zipped) and share it at this step; next you can solve it permanently.
[18:38] <SeuL> help me
[18:38] <ses1984> moaz_1991: i don't need a work around involving nfs, because i have already copied all the data i need just by sharing the same volume with cifs instead of nfs
[18:38] <hitsujiTMO> !ask | Seul
[18:38] <cariveri> apt-cache search bash
[18:39]  * hid se marre
[18:39] <ses1984> but cifs is ugly and why would i use it in a linux only environment when nfs is made for linux
[18:39] <SeuL> i have ubuntu
[18:39] <ses1984> nfs should work. it's not. apparently that's a big problem with a lot of people using ubuntu
[18:39] <SeuL> 13.10
[18:39] <SeuL> i don't find my patrition in ORDINATEUR
[18:39] <hitsujiTMO> ses1984: cifs has a handful of utilities that nfs does not have
[18:39] <krabador> i must deactivate journaling from / partition on ssd, on 13.10
[18:39] <krabador> how can i do?
[18:40] <ses1984> well, all things being equal, cifs and nfs should have similar performance. i'm getting decent performance with cifs, and i'm getting zero performance with nfs, because it simply doesn't work
[18:40] <hid> SeuL: what does ORDI contain?
[18:40] <moaz_1991> N a u t i l u s crashes! why does it crash while it is a fresh upgraded 13.10?! damn upgrading:-!
[18:40] <SeuL> meaninig ?
[18:41] <hitsujiTMO> moaz_1991: is nautilus crasing for specific directories?
[18:41] <zykotick9> moaz_1991: "fresh upgraded", if only that was possible ;)
[18:41] <SeuL> hid !
[18:42] <moaz_1991> hitsujiTMO: for all, for anything -> I also lose desktop when it crashes
[18:42] <SeuL> help me !
[18:43] <wilee-nilee> krabador, You can use trim, modern ssd's last as long as mechanical HD's.
[18:43] <hitsujiTMO> !fr | Seul
[18:43] <krabador> wilee-nilee, trim?
[18:43] <Xuorx> hello all,
[18:43] <moaz_1991> SeuL: Your question is not obvious!
[18:43] <Xuorx> i have got a problem
[18:44] <wilee-nilee> krabador, 100's, probably 1000's of web pages on setting up a ssd in linux
[18:44] <Bombo> hi
[18:44] <hid> He did not speak french...
[18:44] <Bombo> is it possible to install a 32bit version of gstreamer incl plugins into a 64bit ubuntu?
[18:44] <zexcriz> what is LTSP used for ?
[18:45] <wilee-nilee> krabador, here is one I use. https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd Do your research
[18:45] <DuncanNZ> Bombo: sudo dpkg --list-architectures | pastebinit
[18:45] <hitsujiTMO> hid ordinateur is french for computer ... he's saying he cant find his partition in his computer ...
[18:46] <DuncanNZ> Bombo: sorry, that's  sudo dpkg --print-foreign-architectures | pastebinit
[18:46] <hid> hitsujiTMO: It is the name of the partition... you can call it whatever you want...
[18:47] <moaz_1991> hitsujiTMO: a new day, a new word: ordinateur (fr) = computer (en)
[18:48] <moaz_1991> @SeuL can solve this "misunderstanding"!!!
[18:51] <OerHeks> !ltsp
[18:51] <moaz_1991> which file-managers are more customizable than Thunar (a non qt-based one, please)! Thunar = ugh! (I'm forced to use thunar instead of Nautilus for a day!)
[18:51] <zexcriz> OerHeks, thank you :)
[18:53] <zorael> Does anyone know of a program that visualizes an electrical circuit schematic, like the java applet at http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-resistors.html ? Preferably in the repos, naturally
[18:54] <tmmunq> electric?
[18:55] <whitenoise> hey guys, for dpkg --get-selections, is there a way of only printing out the packages that have been apt-get installed, instead of getting every package on the system, most of which came with it?
[18:56] <zorael> tmmunq: Well, yes
[18:56] <hitsujiTMO> WhiteDawn: dpkg --get-seleections | grep "install$"
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> WhiteDawn: sorry: dpkg --get-selections | grep "install$"
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> Whitenoise: again sorry: dpkg --get-selections | grep "install$"
[18:57] <whitenoise> haha
[18:57] <whitenoise> hitsujiTMO: thanks :)
[18:58] <nexusjay> Hi everyone! Been digging around and wanted to confirm that there is no Canonical Support for the Nexus 7 (2nd Gen) device.
[18:58] <IdleOne> nexusjay: #ubuntu-touch
[18:58] <hitsujiTMO> nexusjay: #ubuntu-touch
[18:59] <nexusjay> ty
[19:00] <nickgaw> ok I just finished the ubuntu upgrade with do-release-upgrade -m desktop and again I am able to login but as before orca did not start after I entered in my password but it was on when I was at the login screen if I was using gnome classic before the upgrade will I still be on gnome classic after the upgrade?
[19:00] <Bombo> is it possible to install a 32bit version of gstreamer incl plugins into a 64bit ubuntu? $ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures -> i386
[19:00] <vindav> hello, has anyone had trouble with the last update from Ubuntu on their 12.04 LTS distro ?
[19:01] <hitsujiTMO> bombo add :i386 to the end og the package name
[19:01] <ars23> hy, does anybody have an idea about an IDE for simulating verilog code?
[19:02] <wilee-nilee> vindav, any last update for anyone will be different depending on what's installed and when last updated, be specific, details...etc
[19:03] <Bombo> hitsujiTMO: hmmm i'll try
[19:06] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  Thank you for your response.  Ok, we'll...a couple of days ago I had updates from the Canada server, and after re-starting, my background wallpaper changed, the vertical launcher with Unity blinks and flashes randomly all together, when dragging screenlets or windows, duplication of images exist and seem liek they are multiplied immensely.  When windows / application are closed, there are video images that seem like they are 
[19:07] <theadmin> vindav: What is your GPU (graphics card)? If using proprietary drivers, stuff happens...
[19:07] <theadmin> vindav: I am running on nvidia with bumblebee though and things are fine
[19:07] <wilee-nilee> vindav, You might try a compiz reset, do you have a proprietary graphic driver installed per-chance?
[19:08] <vindav> theadmin:  my graphics card is a Nvidia - GeForce310, driver version:  304.88
[19:09] <theadmin> vindav: Hm ah, yeah, proprietary drivers may cause problems as I said, try deactivating them through System Settings -> Hardware Drivers
[19:09] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  I have a proprietary graphic driver installed:  Nvidia GeForce 310, driver version:  304.88
[19:09] <tejas> need help..I have a ubuntu server box with only samba setup for file sharing..i want to monitor it with "monit"...but it always says unable to conect at localhost:2812....Do i need to install Apache for this only...?
[19:09] <wilee-nilee> vindav, From nvidia or the repos?
[19:10] <theadmin> tejas: 2812 does not seem like any sort of HTTP port, unlikely that Apache will have to do anything with that.
[19:10] <vindav> theadmin:  so, if I deactivate them from System Settings->Hardware Drivers, would do I do next after that, reboot or what ?
[19:10] <theadmin> vindav: Yeah, reboot and see if this helps.
[19:10] <kriskropd> I have a core 2 duo with a 1min load average os 228.36 and is frozen - what do to find out what the bloody F*** is going on
[19:10] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  it is from Nvidia
[19:11] <tejas> theadmin what you suggest for this error..or i should go with webmin :-(
[19:11] <hitsujiTMO> tejas: did you change the monit config to allow access from ips other than localhost?
[19:11] <theadmin> tejas: Yeah no, Webmin is kinda broken with Ubuntu
[19:11] <tejas> it even not accessible from localhost
[19:12] <wilee-nilee> vindav, Ah, well I think you know what'sup from looking at your posts.
[19:12] <compdoc> tejas, if you use a browser to open monit, then yes, you likely need apache. Have you searched for any how tos?
[19:12] <vindav> theadmin:  ok, I'll try that out first and come back to this chat here to report.
[19:12] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  Could you please clarify as I am need of some understanding of that ?
[19:13] <tejas> thanks copdoc..I was thinking this...I was trying to avoid installing apache..
[19:13] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  how do you do a Compiz reset ?
[19:14] <hitsujiTMO> tejas can you post your monit config?
[19:14] <wilee-nilee> kriskropd, This is a worldwide channel including many cultural and ethnic groups, what makes you think swearing is an allowed reponse here.
[19:14] <kriskropd> wilee-nilee: my frustration
[19:14] <kriskropd> wilee-nilee: I'm not directing my anger at anyone here nor am i uncensored
[19:14] <tejas> yes..why not..I just changed only few options...wait sending pastebin link
[19:14] <tmmunq> zorael: http://www.staticfreesoft.com/productsFree.html
[19:15] <vindav> theadmin:  ok, am removing the driver.  I noticed that there are other Nvidia hardware drivers waiting to be activate, all seem like they are beta like.  Should I activate them after re-boot ?
[19:16] <wilee-nilee> vindav, this link might help it also addresses nvidia. http://askubuntu.com/questions/127782/ubuntu-12-04-compiz-failure-computer-has-nothing-to-use
[19:16] <theadmin> vindav: Eh, if the deactivation of the current driver helps just leave it as is
[19:17] <tejas> here is mine monit config file... http://pastebin.com/dRS3GSUK hitsujiTM0
[19:19] <wilee-nilee> vindav, I will say though that theadmin is a better support here than myself.
[19:19] <theadmin> wilee-nilee: Don't be of saying that, you are into great help many times :)
[19:20] <wilee-nilee> theadmin, graphics I have no clue of is all. ;)
[19:20] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  why is that ?  I like your support too.  In fact am reading and implementing what you shared in regards to that link in resetting Unity and Compiz.
[19:21] <wilee-nilee> vindav, This area I know enough from seeing traffic on the channel, and I don't give advice that is not conclusive without mentioning that. I have all intel setups they work, so I have not had to mess with drivers is all.
[19:21] <hitsujiTMO> tejas: try removing the space before "set httpd"   also, try swapping localhost for ips
[19:22] <FabianS> Hey guys.
[19:22] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  Unity is no longer present, and the terminal window is no longer accessible after I reset Compiz after entering the command:  gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1
[19:22] <FabianS> I can't get Ubuntu 13.10 to boot from a Thumdrive on a UEFI system.
[19:22] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  I too have a intel setup on my Ubuntu box.
[19:22] <tejas> ohk hitsuji..trying it
[19:23] <FabianS> GRUB does start and kernel&initramfs are loaded.
[19:23] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: disabled secure boot and fast boot?
[19:23] <FabianS> But it seems like the initramfs is unable to find the livesystem's squashfs.
[19:23] <wilee-nilee> vindav, I would do a logout or reboot, compiz is a bit funky with changes at times.
[19:23] <FabianS> Any ideas?
[19:23] <kostkon> vindav, go into tty
[19:23] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: Obviously yes.
[19:23] <kostkon> vindav, give the command there
[19:23] <theadmin> FabianS: How did you create the LiveUSB?
[19:23] <FabianS> Else grub wouldn't boot.
[19:23] <vindav> kostkon:   What is tty ?
[19:23] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: sorry, didnt see the you got grub bit till after i hit enter :P
[19:24] <FabianS> theadmin: partitioned to ef00, formatted as vfat and copied the contents of the iso on the partition.
[19:24] <theadmin> FabianS: eeeeeh... way complicated. I am not qualified to tell if that would work :D
[19:24] <kostkon> vindav, press ctrl+alt+f1 to f6 and then ctrl+alt+f7 to come back
[19:24] <vindav> Before I reboot, I just want to make sure that everything that can be done will be done.
[19:24] <FabianS> theadmin: That's the default procedure for EFI install medium creation.
[19:24] <FabianS> Really simple.
[19:25] <kostkon> vindav, e.g. press ctrl+alt+f4.  reset compiz/unity then reload it with setsid unity   then ctrl+alt+f7
[19:25] <compdoc> its looking like ubuntu 13.10 server with a Mate desktop has solved my remote desktop issues
[19:25] <theadmin> FabianS: EFI itself is incredibly complicated rubbish, in my opinion
[19:25] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: at grub prompt, what is the output of: ls
[19:25] <wilee-nilee> vindav, try ctrl-alt-f1 login in then run sudo stop lightdm then sudo start lightdm
[19:25] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: GRUB does load the kernel and the initramfs.
[19:25] <FabianS> It's not a GRUB problem.
[19:26] <kostkon> vindav, if your x is dead do what wilee-nilee said
[19:26] <tejas> hitsujiTM0 ..it didnt worked...I tried on virtualbox too...now on physical system.....please suggest another for monitoring my samba except webmin
[19:26] <mikkie> hello folks
[19:26] <FabianS> theadmin: EFI would be simple if vendors didn't ignore the standard.
[19:26] <theadmin> FabianS: I do suppose that, yeah... :/
[19:26] <FabianS> theadmin: I have EFI dualboot running on two machines and it does work.
[19:26] <theadmin> FabianS: Well, sorry, I can't really help here
[19:27] <FabianS> But one machine likes to shuffle around the boot order and the other one likes deleting custom-built Linux kernels.
[19:27] <kmyst> how does one get the unity launcher to stop acting like a scrollbar? all of a sudden it's not longer snapping back to the top
[19:27] <vindav> Ok, we'll...my X is dead, the Nvidia hardware driver mentioned finally for me to reboot to re-activate itself.  I wish I could print out and / or e-mail this chat to myself for reference as no commands or menu-drops are available to select.
[19:27] <wilee-nilee> FabianS, The manufacturers have their own uefi codes, some use the bootrepair app to get things fixed, have you seen the thread by oldfred a mod at the UF on uefi installs?
[19:28] <mikkie> I have a big problem with my Screen-Configuration. -> I have two n210 (nvidia) cards in my pc and four screens but however I try (nvidia-settings or xorg.conf) I cant set them right to split screen all over them. please help
[19:28] <FabianS> wilee-nilee: No, I haven't. Link?
[19:28] <FabianS> I think the problem is that the Ubuntu initramfs fails to find the thumbdrive with casper.squashfs on it..
[19:28] <wilee-nilee> FabianS, hope this helps, you are not new at this it seems. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[19:29] <FabianS> But I don't know how it tries to locate the device.
[19:29] <FabianS> Arch uses the FAT disklabel.
[19:29] <Gallomimia> looking forward to installing ubuntu on the mac laptop i have....
[19:30] <Ojoloco> hi there guys, I have some troubles with a Makefile, where could I ask?
[19:30] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: have you looked for errors in dmesg
[19:30] <mikkie> anybody a idea for installing two graphiccards on ubuntu?
[19:31] <wilee-nilee> vindav, save this url. http://pastebin.com/4J3msBuH
[19:32] <wilee-nilee> its from when I signed on
[19:32] <theadmin> Ojoloco: I don't think Make has its' own channel, what's the problem?
[19:33] <Ojoloco> hi theadmin, I have this one, I don't know why line 43 is there:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296735
[19:33] <Ojoloco> sorry, not that one
[19:34] <theadmin> Ojoloco: Uh. That's not a Makefile. Looks like C code.
[19:34] <Ojoloco> sorry, sorry, this one:
[19:34] <Ojoloco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296796/
[19:34] <Ojoloco> nor that one too
[19:34] <Ojoloco> :\
[19:35] <Ojoloco> this is the right one, I swear it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6296802/
[19:35] <tejas> will someone suggest web based monitoring tool for ubuntu server....ir i should use zentyal
[19:36] <theadmin> Ojoloco: Ah. "sinclude" with GNU Make is pretty much identical to "include" from what I know, maybe it's for compatibility with BSD Make or something.
[19:36] <Ojoloco> ah, cool, thanks theadmin!
[19:38] <Dougie187> For some reason my top panel (in unity) randomly freezes (doesn't refresh) and won't let me click it. this includes my clock, and all application related menus. This does not include the unity panel on the left, or the HUD. I haven't found any useful information in the logs in /var/log or in dmesg. Does anyone have any idea where I could look for a clue as to why this is happening?
[19:38] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: I'm not sure what dmesg does in the initramfs.
[19:39] <FabianS> But I'll try it.
[19:39] <bazhang> tejas, you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-server as well
[19:39] <bekks> tejas: nagios :)
[19:40] <hitsujiTMO> fabians: boot with debug kernel option and you should be able to mount the hdd and dump dmesg to whereever
[19:40] <tejas> thanks..guys.. for help..joined server channel love you :-)
[19:43] <s2013> my terminal window for some reason doesnt stay on top of other window when i click on it
[19:43] <mikkie> please help me out with that xserver stuff
[19:43] <s2013> its been happening past couple of hours
[19:43] <s2013> i basically see the wallpaper and hte terminal window
[19:44] <ampw> what does ' sudo netstat -natp ' show?
[19:44] <hitsujiTMO> s2013: can you link a printscreen of the exact problem
[19:46] <s2013> hitsujiTMO, http://imgur.com/rrm0yt4
[19:46] <hitsujiTMO> ampw netstat --help will display the meanings of the 4 flags
[19:46] <Patero-ng> anyone here familiar with zgv? the image viewer for terminals? I can't display pics! I don't know if I have to restart pc tell me if I do
[19:47] <s2013> it doesnt also show up on alt tab
[19:47] <s2013> i think it might be on anothe rdesktop workspace o rsomething
[19:49] <s2013> k got it
[19:49] <hitsujiTMO> s2013: wait, i'm not following the exact error ... is it forcing other apps to minimise?
[19:49] <s2013> it was a workspae issue
[19:49] <s2013> yeah
[19:49] <s2013> i guess i somehow dragged it to a diff workspace
[19:49] <s2013> its fine now. thanks
[19:49] <hitsujiTMO> ahh yeah, the terminal was in another workspace
[19:49] <s2013> yeah didnt realize it. thanks
[19:50] <hitsujiTMO> <- is quite happy with a single workspace :P
[19:50] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Doesn't work here either, try fbi instead.
[19:52] <Patero-ng> theadmin: are u on terminal
[19:53] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Yeah... It's a terminal viewer
[19:54] <theadmin> Patero-ng: You need to be in the "video" group for fbi to work. Maybe that's why zgv fails too?
[19:55] <ampw> how do iget peerguardian on ubuntu
[19:55] <Patero-ng> theadmin: it works! thanks for making my day
[19:56] <hitsujiTMO> ampw http://sourceforge.net/p/peerguardian/wiki/pgl-Install-DebianUbuntu/
[19:56] <Patero-ng> theadmin: I did sudo zgv and it didn't work either but it made fbi worked I think zgv is flawed
[19:57] <lna_r00t> hey
[19:58] <ampw> hitsujiTMO: thanks, ive added the ppa
[19:59] <rammm> should salary negotiates be done  1 on 1, with all of the CEOs on staff, or does it matter?
[19:59] <ampw> but its not in the soft center
[19:59] <ampw> i did update
[19:59] <jpds> !ot | rammm
[19:59] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Yeah, running as root may be a bad idea, simply add yourself to the video group
[19:59] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: what version of ubuntu are you on?
[20:00] <ampw> 12.04
[20:01] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install pgld pglcmd pglgui
[20:02] <ampw> hitsujiTMO: thnaks a bunch
[20:02] <hitsujiTMO> ampw: np
[20:05] <Dougie187> For some reason my top panel (in unity) randomly freezes (doesn't refresh) and won't let me click it. this includes my clock, and all application related menus. This does not include the unity panel on the left, or the HUD. I haven't found any useful information in the logs in /var/log or in dmesg. Does anyone have any idea where I could look for a clue as to why this is happening?
[20:06] <FabianS> Well, looks like the more implementation in the initramfs busybox is broken.
[20:06] <FabianS> So I can't read the dmesg.
[20:06] <FabianS> The error message is: (initramfs) unable to find a medium containing a live file system
[20:08] <FabianS> Sounds like a really stupid race condition :/
[20:08] <ChogyDan> Dougie187: if this happens pretty consistently, you could file a bug with ubuntu-bug unity, and people could help you look at the log files on launchpad
[20:08] <Dougie187> Ok
[20:08] <Dougie187> Thanks
[20:09] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: your the second person i've seen with the same error on 13.10 installer
[20:09] <FabianS> I don't really know the Ubuntu boot process.
[20:09] <FabianS> Where does the initramfs look for casper.squashfs?
[20:10] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: not sure, the live cd is sorted differently to an actual install
[20:10] <FabianS> Oh what the hell?
[20:11] <FabianS> Why would name folders on the first level of the iso with a . in the beginning.
[20:11] <ruth> Hi, guys,  we were asking about this yesterday but are still having troubles. We downloaded the game, Minecraft from Minecraft.net, and they had a download for different OS even Linux. We downloaded it, and it goes into the download on Ubuntu, but when we try to run it, it opens to a bunch of folders. What should we do?
[20:11] <FabianS> cp * doesn't match those. Wtf.
[20:13] <kostkon> ruth, you need to install java.
[20:14] <ruth> We're new with LInux, so what should we do after we install Java, and is it Java Iced Tea we install?
[20:14] <Patero-ng> theadmin: I tried using usermod -a -G video myusernamereal but checking it with id still doesn't show me in video group maybe video is not the right name? anybody here knows how to add myself to the video group
[20:14] <kostkon> ruth, open the software centre, search for java or openjdk, install the version 6 or 7 or both, then right click on the minecraft file and select open with openjdk 6 or 7
[20:15] <kostkon> ruth, or double click on it after installing openjdk
[20:16] <ruth> Great, we will try it. We'll get back to you if we have problems
[20:16] <kostkon> ruth, ok
[20:17] <ozbrk> guys I need  a suggestion I have Asus EEEr101 notebook. I had leaved windows 7 because of the performance issues and I'm here because I hadn't find a solution yet. I tried all of the variations of ubuntu but sometime the distrobution was too simple or too effective and heavy
[20:17] <ozbrk> are there anybody who can suggest me a distro
[20:17] <skande> ubuntu?
[20:17] <theadmin> Patero-ng: sudo adduser $USER video
[20:17] <bekks> ozbrk: No distro will change that low end hardware causing the performance issues.
[20:17] <theadmin> Patero-ng: But you'll need to log out and back in for this to have any real effect.
[20:18] <wilee-nilee> ozbrk, a lighter desktop might be worth a try xubuntu, or a more hands on lubuntu
[20:18] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: once you add yourself to a group, you must relog for it to take effect
[20:18] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: Solved it.
[20:19] <ozbrk> can I optimize unity 2d or gnome - sell according to bekks no distro can't change my situtation
[20:19] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: so the . files?
[20:19] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: My cp -r $ISODIR/* $THUMBDRIVE obviously didn't match the .disks-dir.
[20:19] <bekks> ozbrk: You can install 12.04 and dont use 3D, e.g.
[20:20] <hitsujiTMO> FabianS: cool, at least your in working order again
[20:20] <wilee-nilee> ozbrk, I would have the max ram allowed on that device.
[20:20] <ozbrk> bekks I tried that :S
[20:20] <FabianS> hitsujiTMO: I don't actually use ubuntu.
[20:20] <ozbrk> wilee-nilee I have 2GB ram
[20:20] <FabianS> But I'm trying to get it on a friend's ultrabook.
[20:21] <bekks> ozbrk: Which CPU do you have, exactly?
[20:21] <Patero-ng> theadmin: that might add a new user! I just want to add my existing user to a group
[20:21] <kostkon> wilee-nilee, 2gb is fine
[20:21] <kostkon> oops
[20:21] <kostkon> ozbrk, 2gb is fine*
[20:21] <ozbrk> intel Atom dual core
[20:21] <ozbrk> let me check the model number
[20:22] <duxb> When I try to upgrade from my 13.04 to 13.10, using the software update tool, it stops working after "downloading tools 2/2", one more little box flashes, then exits, and then nothing happens, any ideas?
[20:22] <ozbrk> http://www.cnet.com/laptops/asus-eee-pc-r101/4505-3121_7-35278566.html here guys that's all you need that is my computer
[20:22] <theadmin> Patero-ng: No, "adduser USER GROUP" will add USER to GROUP. It will NOT add a new user if USER doesn't exist.
[20:22] <duxb> same thing happening on both my laptop and desktop
[20:22] <ozbrk> except the ram I upgraded it
[20:22] <wilee-nilee> duxb, what additional stuff is installed, such as desktops and pps'a?
[20:23] <kostkon> ozbrk, i have more or less the same hardware. runs ubuntu fine
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> ppa's*
[20:23] <kostkon> ozbrk, vanilla ubuntu with unity3d
[20:23] <Patero-ng> theadmin: ok I trust you
[20:23] <duxb> wilee: my laptop is a pretty standard install
[20:23] <ozbrk> vanillia ubuntu ?
[20:23] <wilee-nilee> duxb, no extras?
[20:24] <theadmin> Patero-ng: That's what the manual says anyway :D
[20:24] <Patero-ng> I have another question I installed program xboard and when I run xboard as user it says itcan't open display so I guess it needs sudo I sudo it but it says command not found? what is wrong here
[20:24] <wilee-nilee> duxb, Might just need another mirror
[20:24] <kostkon> ozbrk, i mean ubuntu (with unity) not xubuntu or some other flavour
[20:24] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  hi there, am back after about 4 or 5 re-boots, all files intact, but still have the same graphics problems as before when I came to the chat room.  I went to Hardware Drivers and it said that I was not authorized to activate the Nvidia driver 319.  Can you please help me ?
[20:24] <theadmin> Patero-ng: Uh, xboard needs a graphical interface
[20:24] <vindav> theadmin  hi there, am back after about 4 or 5 re-boots, all files intact, but still have the same graphics problems as before when I came to the chat room.  I went to Hardware Drivers and it said that I was not authorized to activate the Nvidia driver 319.  Can you please help me ?
[20:24] <theadmin> vindav: Eh, run "gksudo jockey-gtk" and then you can reinstall the driver.
[20:25] <wilee-nilee> vindav, I would if I had the skills, nvidia I have never messed with.
[20:25] <ozbrk> kostkon which release do you prefer n that kind of hardware
[20:25] <duxb> I have ppa's for opera and wine, that's about it, I'll try playing with the repo server.
[20:25] <jhutchins> !nvidia
[20:25] <ozbrk> 13.10 had a lot of problem when I tried it
[20:25] <kostkon> ozbrk, any but i would recommend 12.04 since it is lts with 5y support (until 2017)
[20:25] <vindav> wilee-nilee:  ok, I appreciate your input very much.
[20:25] <kostkon> ozbrk, what kind of probs
[20:26] <ozbrk> ok
[20:26] <ozbrk> I gonna give a last shot for it
[20:26] <vindav> theadmin:  am running that command now in terminal and will wait to let you know what goes.
[20:26] <wilee-nilee> vindav, sure, however you should get help from people who know this area is all.
[20:26] <ozbrk> Ubuntu 12.04 with unity2d
[20:26] <Gnjurac> can somone help me i sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/korisnickoime/MASA1 can mount partrition whit this comand and it works but asks for sudo password and i addet it trou GUI to start auto but it dosent work probably beacuse it requres password so i did this in visudo KorisnickoIme ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/korisnickoime/Templates/Automaunt but still not working what to do?
[20:26] <ruth> kostkon, we're back after downloading OpenJdk 6 and 7 and tried to open the game MInecraft in Opendjdk, but on our Ubuntu screen it says, "blocked, is not marked as executable, dangerous to run." Now what?
[20:26] <kostkon> ozbrk, even unity(3d)
[20:27] <wilee-nilee> Gnjurac, no password is not a good idea, and not supported here.
[20:27] <duxb> Ok, now I'm getting error reports being generated by /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade crashing
[20:27] <kostkon> ruth, oh right. do the following: right click on it, select properties from the menu, then the permissions tab and then tick the allow executing as program option and finally press ok
[20:28] <wilee-nilee> duxb, You might check the software.list have you modified it?
[20:28] <Gnjurac> wilee-nilee,  i read it online thet thet is best for runing sudo, or not have suggestions?
[20:28] <vindav> theadmin:  am getting this from terminal:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297078/
[20:28] <kostkon> ruth, 'close' button not 'ok'
[20:28] <FabianS> Gnjurac: put it in /etc/fstab?
[20:30] <duxb> wilee: I disabled all third party ppa's, set to the standard ubuntu.com repo, same thing
[20:30] <theadmin> vindav: Oh, right, uh, run "sudo jockey-text --enable=kmod:nvidia_319"
[20:30] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  put this " sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/korisnickoime/MASA1" or what, and i want to learn how to run bin bash whit sudo anywey
[20:31] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Read the fstab manpage.
[20:31] <vindav> theadmin:  Additional Drivers window mentioned that I should re-boot to activate the Nvidia driver 319 now.  Shall I run that command you issued too ?
[20:31] <ruth> Ok, going to try that.
[20:31] <duxb> what's going to happen if I apt-get dist-upgrade on desktop version?
[20:32] <Elliot_> Hi
[20:32] <Elliot_> How do I chmod a folder so that I can add files to it?
[20:33] <theadmin> vindav: Ah no, never mind, if the window appeared then no problem
[20:33] <theadmin> vindav: Just reboot I guess
[20:33] <duxb> Elliot_ chmod 755 filename
[20:33] <vindav> theadmin:  terminal reported that knmod:nvidia_319 is an unknown driver and to use --list to see available drivers.  So, shall I just now reboot and see what happens ?  BTW, do you know what tty means ?
[20:34] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  ok thet can solve my automount but it will not help me run sudo in bash whitout promting for pass
[20:34] <wilee-nilee> duxb, dist-upgrade upgrades kernels and maybe any other held packages, not a distro
[20:35] <theadmin> vindav: Uh, it's kmod: not knmod:, but yeah just reboot for now. A TTY is a virutal terminal, they normally go from TTY1 to TTY7, you can access them with Ctrl+Alt+F{TTY NUMBER}, e.g. Ctrl+Alt+F1 = TTY1
[20:35] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Why would you want to run sudo in bash without prompting for a password?
[20:35] <duxb> Elliot_: but the problem may not be the permissions, but the ownership, which would be fixed by "sudo chown yourusername:yourusername filename"
[20:36] <duxb> wilee: dist-upgrade is for dist(ribution) upgrade, so it should do exactly the same as the upgrade tool, in theory
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> duxb, Its not
[20:36] <hays> ozbrk: try xubuntu if you want lighter weight wm maybe?
[20:36] <ntomkin> WTF
[20:36] <wilee-nilee> in ubuntu anyway
[20:37] <k1l> duxb: its not a 13.04 to 13.10 upgrade.
[20:37] <bazhang> !dist-upgrade | duxb
[20:37] <hitsujiTMO> duxb: dist-upgrade differs from upgrade in the fact that it will install new dependencies if a package changes dependencies. it's not a distrbiution upgrade in ubuntu
[20:37] <hays> kostkon: i had problems with 13.10 also.  specifically my broadcom wifi broke
[20:37] <duxb> gotcha
[20:38] <duxb> Ok, then how do I upgrade if do-release upgrade is broken?
[20:38] <hays> kostkon: in 12.04 i am using the bcmsmac (sp?) driver.. in 13.10 this driver doesn't work and neither d oes the proprietary STA driver
[20:38] <k1l> duxb: why is it broken? what happens? logs?
[20:38] <MonkeyDust> duxb  any error message?
[20:38] <wilee-nilee> I think there is a bug in this area check duxb
[20:39] <zykotick9> theadmin: VT1-7 are consoles, not TTYs.  a tty is ANY terminal console or Xorg.  ubottu also as some incorrect message about this ;)  hope all is well with you.
[20:39] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  beacuse i want to runs scripts thet requre sudo and not be promted for pass
[20:39] <theadmin> zykotick9: Oh, oops.
[20:39] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  aloot terminal and other commands requre sudo
[20:40] <duxb> mostly, no, one try I got it to generate a crash report, SIG(something)V
[20:40] <FabianS> Gnjurac: That's extremely insecure.
[20:40] <jhutchins> duxb: It's not really the upgrade process that's broken.  It's the resulting install.
[20:40] <kostkon> hays, hmm but yeah in 12.04 both drivers work also for me
[20:40] <hays> kostkon: yeah its a weird problem maybe residing in the kernel ?
[20:40] <duxb> there is no resulting install, it crashes before it changes a single file
[20:41] <jhutchins> duxb: If you're worried about it, hold off for a while before you upgrade.
[20:41] <MonkeyDust> duxb  and what are the symptoms of the crash?
[20:41] <k1l> duxb: without any error or log it is very difficult to help there
[20:41] <duxb> upgrade process disappears after downloading tools, before calculating changes
[20:41] <bekks> duxb: SIGSEGV indicates defective RAM pretty often.
[20:41] <kostkon> hays, maybe, although 12.04.3 comes with 3.8, the same kernel as 13.10
[20:42] <Gnjurac> as i read for me editing   visudo username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: and making file unreadeble by any other feels secure , why shoudent it be?
[20:42] <hays> hmm
[20:42] <ruth> kostkon, thank you! It Worked! You are a computer genious.
[20:42] <kostkon> ruth, nice :)
[20:42] <duxb> ah, yes, SIGSEGV was the error code
[20:42] <hays> kostkon: not sure ive upgraded to that kernel yet maybe ill try
[20:42] <duxb> I tried /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade from cli and it seems to be working
[20:42] <kostkon> hays, yeah, only if you have installed it recently
[20:42] <bekks> Gnjurac: The will be able to do everything. Do you think thats secure?
[20:42] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Because any software you run will be able to do anything.
[20:43] <kostkon> hays, otherwise, you might have 3.2 or 3.5
[20:43] <FabianS> Gnjurac: Including scripts running in your browser etc.
[20:43] <Gnjurac> w8
[20:43] <Gnjurac> a sec
[20:43] <hays> kostkon: right now i have whatever it came with because i did a factory reset. i think 3.2
[20:43] <hays> but i had it on 13.04 (?) with updated everything and it was working fully i think...  but 13.10 borked it
[20:44] <kostkon> hays, hmm
[20:44] <hays> if you care a lot about it i can try to reproduce
[20:44] <Gnjurac> FabianS,  i was thinking  visudo username ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/Bashscreept  so it gives no request for password for only thet file and i set it to only sudo can acces read edit
[20:44] <hays> would involve me factory resetting again probably
[20:45] <hays> but if it would help devs find the problem im game to give it a go
[20:45] <kostkon> hays, theres no need to do that at the moment
[20:45] <bekks> Gnjurac: That bashscript will be able to do pretty much everything. Thats not secure.
[20:45] <dr3am_> hello
[20:45] <hays> asus has like no downloads for this machine on their website from what i can tell
[20:45] <Gnjurac> bekks,  why if i crated thet bash script and nobody can edit it if he dosent have sudo
[20:45] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: did you write the bash script yourself?
[20:45] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  y
[20:46] <bekks> Gnjurac: Then why does it need root privileges at all?
[20:46] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  i did  sudo ntfs-3g /dev/sda2 /media/korisnickoime/MASA1 so i can auto mount
[20:46] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: you can do that in fstab
[20:47] <kostkon> hays, they sell ubuntu laptops in some markets though
[20:47] <bekks> Gnjurac: You can add an entry to the fstab to allow users to mount that device.
[20:47] <hays> yeah that's what this is
[20:47] <Gnjurac> bekks,  and ntfs-3g needs sudo
[20:47] <hays> http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/1015E/#support_Download
[20:47] <bekks> Gnjurac: Read what we just wrote ;)
[20:47] <dr3am_> i installed ubutnu alongside windows 7, but now when i try to boot windows i have eror "Windows failed to start. A recent hardware or software change might be the caus...
[20:47] <dr3am_> any help?
[20:48] <FrameFever> how can I check which shell am I using?
[20:48] <Gnjurac> bekks,  i noticed thet  but i steel wanted to know how to run scripts whit sudo whitout req pass and you started me whit security risks bla bla
[20:48] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, Did you resize windows with the installer, and or remove any partitions?
[20:48] <Gnjurac> anywey how to add to fstab
[20:48] <duxb> dr3am_: did you have to shrink your windows partition to make room for unbuntu?
[20:48] <dr3am_> no
[20:48] <dr3am_> when i install windows
[20:48] <bekks> Gnjurac: Sorry for pointing out the downsides of your approach.
[20:48] <dr3am_> i make c: d: f:
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: lets say, you leave your laptop for a sec, someone can come along and overwrite that script as a prank
[20:49] <dr3am_> windows is on c: data on d, and nothing in f
[20:49] <dr3am_> but i dont know where is install ubunutu :S
[20:49] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, this a wubi install?
[20:49] <hitsujiTMO> Gnjurac: or use it to create a sudo user for themselves ... or use it to change your password
[20:50] <dr3am_> wilee-nilee: i dont undrestand ?
[20:50] <duxb> dr3am_, if you get into ubuntu, install and open gparted, it should tell you all about your partitions
[20:50] <dr3am_> duxb
[20:50] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, Did you install ubuntu from a live cd/usb?
[20:50] <dr3am_> how to do that i am new in linux
[20:50] <dr3am_> from a usb
[20:51] <kostkon> hays, oh it's an ubuntu laptop, nice then :)
[20:51] <duxb> dr3am_, you can install new programs through the software center
[20:51] <hays> kostkon: yeah im shocked it doesn't work flawlessly
[20:51] <dr3am_> how to bot now on windows ?
[20:51] <squishface> hello, i am looking to get netflix installed on my ubuntu ssalamander  browser.  any ideas for installing silver light
[20:51] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  how can he owerwriete thet file when i did set it to be writable only whit sudo
[20:51] <Richhh> does Lubuntu need a wired internet connection to install fully?
[20:52] <kostkon> hays, it's working with the installed version, 12.04 that is.
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, no
[20:52] <hays> kostkon: yeah, that works great
[20:52] <duxb> dr3am_, that last sentence made no sense...
[20:52] <Richhh> wont be missing anything at all wilee-nilee ?
[20:52] <dr3am_> my english is bad, sry
[20:52] <Gnjurac> hitsujiTMO,  thet file executes what i writed and nobody can edit thet file beacuse he dosent have premisions sudo
[20:52] <duxb> just try again
[20:52] <hays> kostkon: im a bit disappointed that asus provides no support it seems for the thing though
[20:53] <Guest44098> in 12.04 session fallback mode how can I make my application's icon show in system tray?
[20:53] <Richhh> ok thx will try now
[20:53] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, which release is it a daily? m issing what, your questions are way to broad, with no context or details.
[20:53] <duxb> dr3am_: what is your native language?
[20:53] <dr3am_> i installed win 7 on c:, and make d: parcition for date, and also make f for ubutnu, then i install ubuntu from usb in option "install ubuntu alongside windows".
[20:53] <kostkon> hays, yeah
[20:54] <dr3am_> there is no option in installation to install on f:
[20:54] <Richhh> wilee-nilee 13.10 desktop i386
[20:54] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, You can't make a partition in windows to install ubuntu on from a usb
[20:54] <bekks> dr3am_: Yes. Because Ubuntu cant use Windows filesystems for installing Ubuntu.
[20:54] <dr3am_> now i dont know how to boot winddows 7, and i dont know whete i installed ubuntu
[20:54] <duxb> dr3am_ the default "install along side windows" will shrink all the windows partitions to make room for a new partition
[20:54] <sam113101> GUYS
[20:55] <sam113101> GUUUUYS
[20:55] <fishscene> sam113101: Please state your question.
[20:55] <jhutchins> dr3am_: Did you read the install guide?
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, Are you planning to have no internet at all, or you can't get a ethernet setup of wifi at this time?
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> or*
[20:55] <dr3am_> jhutchins: no
[20:55] <pinch0> K
[20:55] <hitsujiTMO> Gnurdux: i'm saying that if someone comes along, while your away from your computer and your account is logged in, they can change the file to whatever they want
[20:55] <dr3am_> duxb: any help how to boot windows 7 again ?
[20:55] <sam113101> I wonder if the magic trackpad works as expected on ubuntu?
[20:55] <jhutchins> dr3am_: Perhaps that would be a good idea.
[20:55] <hays> kostkon: i think its supposed to work with the bcmsmac driver so they figure the kernel folks have it
[20:56] <Richhh> wilee-nilee i plan to have internet, preferably wireless, my router is quite far away and i don't have a long enough ethernet cable
[20:56] <jhutchins> dr3am_: If it's not in the grub boot menu you may have removed it.
[20:56] <pinch0> What's the server for linux mint?
[20:56] <bekks> 11!mint < pinch0
[20:56] <bekks> GNA.
[20:56] <kostkon> hays, yeah, eveything is in the kernel so they don't need to care i guess
[20:56] <bekks> !mint | pinch0
[20:56] <duxb> dr3am_: if you put in your windows installation cd, it should have a repair tool that you may need to run to fix your install
[20:56] <pinch0> Bella thank you
[20:57] <pinch0> Bekks
[20:57] <duxb> after you do this, you may need to repair grub to get the boot choice menu back, google it and you'll find lots of guilds to do that
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, As long as its a regular live install you will everything, but additional drivers that would be detected and downloaded, which might be important if you are not up for installing them without a internet access after install.
[20:57] <pinch0> Sorry on android, um never getting another android ever again
[20:57] <jhutchins> dr3am_: Be aware that the windows repair tool will make it impossible to boot to ubuntu.
[20:57] <Ziber> I want to loop-mount the desktop iso of 14.04 to install it on a PV xen vm. Where in the directory structure is the kernel/initrd?
[20:57] <dr3am_> duxb: ok i will try , thanks
[20:58] <bekks> Ziber: 14.04? There isnt an ISO even, I guess.
[20:58] <duxb> google "repair grub" to get the boot choice menu back
[20:58] <Ziber> In fact, there is.
[20:58] <Ben64> Ziber: #ubuntu+1 for 14.04, but its not even alpha yet
[20:58] <jhutchins> Ziber: loop mount it and browse.
[20:58] <hays> kostkon: not in this list: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/make/Asus/?category=Desktop&category=Laptop
[20:58] <wilee-nilee> Richhh, ON occasion we see people here who have limited skills with tough driver issues and are in trouble is all.
[20:58] <hays> that's upsetting  a bit
[20:58] <Ziber> jhutchins: I can't find it.
[20:59] <jhutchins> duxb: Why do you suppose he'd need the windows bootloader?  Grub should find and boot to windows if it's still there.
[20:59] <wagonboi> does anyone know how to find a virtualbox file using FIND? I lost mine and it's 10gigs, I need that space :\
[20:59] <duxb> not if his windows install was corrupted by the repartition, usually something in the windows bootloader that grub hands off to
[20:59] <bodhi_zazen> Ziber: the files you want are in /casper - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot/Examples#Ubuntu_Menuentry_Examples
[21:00] <duxb> windows is such a fragile thing, and partition moving always presents a risk
[21:00] <bodhi_zazen> unless they moved 'me ;)
[21:00] <Ziber> Oh, look at that. Thanks.
[21:00] <wilee-nilee> bodhi_zazen, howdee good to see you here. ;)
[21:01] <V4mpire> hey guys, i have a friend trying to use s-video and they are only getting it in black and white, any ideas?
[21:01] <bodhi_zazen> 14.04 daily build - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:02] <Trudko_> Guys is there some soft with tips for ubuntu, something like tip of the day
[21:02] <mikeiz> hello,
[21:02] <mikeiz> i have a problem with steam on Ubuntu 13.10
[21:02] <kostkon> hays, yeah hmm, and all of those have an atheros wifi card
[21:03] <hays> its like the asus 1015e-ds03 doesn't exist...
[21:03] <duxb> mikeiz: what's your problem?
[21:03] <dr3am_> any idea how to fix boot to win 7, when i insert win 7 cd and go to repair
[21:04] <Ziber> Hm.
[21:04] <dr3am_> This version of System Recovery Options is not comparible with the version of windows you are ty to repair.
[21:04] <oscalation> is the right way to make ubuntu use local time to edit the /etc/default/rcs file?
[21:04] <dr3am_> any other way ??
[21:04] <mikeiz> so i can't start steam, libgl.sl
[21:04] <duxb> dr3am_: that question is going to have to go to the windows channel
[21:04] <bekks> dr3am_: Thats a good question for the vendor of your computer.
[21:04] <dr3am_> is there way to delete ubuntu any try again ?
[21:04] <mikeiz> libgl.so.1 are missing
[21:04] <sam113101> !guideline
[21:05] <sam113101> !guidelines
[21:05] <duxb> dr3am_: any partitioning tool has a way to delete parameters, but that won't get you windows back to how it was before if it's not working now
[21:06] <duxb> partitions* not parameters
[21:06] <mikeiz> i can't fix this problem because on ubuntu 13.10 ia-32lib are not available
[21:07] <pinch0> Anyone know a work around a bug for a school network (PEAP) when you ignore the certificates it somehow sets them to true anyway.
[21:08] <hitsujiTMO> mikeiz: have you fixed the dependancy issues for steam after you install it with: sudo apt-get -f install
[21:08] <Ben64> mikeiz: ubuntu uses multiarch now instead of ia32-libs
[21:08] <hays> kostkon: if you were going to document the kernel config what would you grab?  lsmod, lspci, anything else?
[21:08] <sisterFister> How do I stop windows from sticking to multiple monitor edges while using gnome shell?
[21:08] <dr3am_> duxb: i dont know is it work, when i on start go on windows 7 loader it says it cant boot
[21:08] <Elliot_> Guys where can I find my FTP credentials?
[21:08] <bekks> hays: Neither not. the kernel config can be found in /boot
[21:08] <mikeiz> why i can use multi-arch ?
[21:09] <Elliot_> I don't remember setting them but Wordpress is asking for them
[21:09] <oscalation> is the right way to make ubuntu use local time to edit the /etc/default/rcs file?
[21:09] <hitsujiTMO> elliot_ did you setup an ftp daemon on your server?
[21:10] <Elliot_> No I didn't
[21:10] <hays> bekks: true but will that show 3rd party modules and what not?
[21:10] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, Can you boot to ubuntu?
[21:10] <dr3am_> yes
[21:10] <pinch0> Anyone? Peap bug has been reported in may and never fixed
[21:10] <bekks> hays: No. It will show your kernel configuration, which was asked :)
[21:10] <hitsujiTMO> Elliot_: then you will have to manually do what wordpress is asking
[21:10] <bekks> pinch0: You are using Mint, arent you?
[21:10] <dr3am_> wilee-nilee: yes
[21:10] <Elliot_> I don't the password for FTp
[21:10] <mikeiz> hitsujiTMO: Yes ...
[21:11] <hays> bekks: what im trying to do is ascertain the status of my hardware so that when I upgrade and can see what has changed and where things might be broken
[21:11] <Elliot_> It's local btw
[21:11] <Elliot_> localhost
[21:11] <dr3am_> wilee-nilee:everything is fine on ubuntu
[21:11] <bekks> hays: Then why do you need the kernel config at all?
[21:11] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, use this app the bootinfo summary only, and post the url that is generated, it will give a lot of info that we really need to help you. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:11] <pinch0> Yeah based on ubuntu, I couldn't connect to spotchat on my android, since I can't use my computer (the bug is on launchpad) in ubuntu
[21:11] <doomlord_> since 13.10 upgrade i seem to have lost sound , any pointers on what i should look at to fix it
[21:11] <mikeiz> Ben64: Why i can use Multi-arch ? Can you help me
[21:11] <hitsujiTMO> Elliot_: you'll have to figure out what wordpress wants to do with the ftp details and do it yourself
[21:11] <bekks> pinch0: Mint isnt supported in here.
[21:12] <doomlord_> speakers/headphones are plugged in, volume is up :)
[21:12] <hays> bekks: well when I said kernel config I wasn't talking about .config I was talking about the dynamic configuration of active modules and status of hardware
[21:12] <pinch0> I understand that bug is in ubuntu
[21:12] <hays> bekks: not too interesting into getting into a semantic debate though :)
[21:12] <Ben64> mikeiz: not sure what you mean by that, but if you installed steam correctly, it should have pulled in all dependencies
[21:13] <Ben64> hays: "kernel config" means a specific thing on linux
[21:13] <sam113101> guyyyyys :)))))
[21:13] <fishscene> sam113101: Please stop spamming.
[21:13] <sam113101> do apple's trackpads work as expected on ubuntu?
[21:13] <bekks> sam113101: Stop it. You really get boring.
[21:13] <sam113101> gestures, exposé, etc.
[21:13] <sam113101> fishscene: bekks: what?
[21:14] <sam113101> k1l said it was alright
[21:14] <sisterFister> How do I stop windows from sticking to multiple monitor edges while using gnome shell?
[21:14] <pinch0> ProbBly not Sam
[21:14] <bekks> sam113101: ignore set.
[21:14] <mikeiz> Ben64: I have download .deb file on official website .. Update Ok.
[21:14] <hays> Ben64: well god damnit if it wasn't obvious from the context of my entire question, but whatever
[21:14] <sam113101> nisstyre: hello
[21:14] <fishscene> sam113101: Please read the channel guidelines.
[21:15] <hitsujiTMO> sam113101: gestures are interpreted at software level, not in the hardware, ubuntu gestures work un unbuntu, osx gesture work in osx
[21:15] <oscalation> is the right way to make ubuntu use local time to edit the /etc/default/rcs file?
[21:16] <hitsujiTMO> oscalation: to change the timezone use: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[21:16] <wilee-nilee> oscalation, You have a desktop?
[21:16] <hays> well despite the pointless semantic nitpicking you two have provided I think lshw captures most of it. I guess I'll go with that as I upgrade this machine to try to identify where the 13.10 release fucked up my machine. thanks.
[21:16] <Ben64> hays: watch the language and attitude here
[21:17] <hays> Ben64: ok thanks for the additional useful information Ben.
[21:18] <Ben64> !attitude | hays
[21:18] <Snake2k> Hey, can anyone please tell me what Ubuntu for Android is? or how I can use it? :/
[21:18] <Dudytz> hi all! I am using gnome 3.10. How can I enable the left bar like this http://vindsl.com/images/vindsl-D2D-patched.png?
[21:18] <sam113101> hitsujiTMO: hmmmm? well, I mean, first we need a good driver that detects the gesture, and then software (maybe the window manager) that makes a good use of them
[21:19] <Elliot_> Fixed the problem by typing: /var/www$ sudo chown -R www-data wordpress
[21:19] <Elliot_> Thanks for the help though :D
[21:20] <sam113101> but will I be able to setup gestures to have them the same as on a mac, on ubuntu?
[21:20] <jhutchins> Elliot_: Looks like the right way to fix it.
[21:20] <Snake2k> Dudytz: I don't know much about manipulating gnome panels, but you could look into Docks http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-power-docks-for-your-linux-machine/
[21:21] <jhutchins> sam113101: Depends on how good you are.  You're talking touchpad gestures?
[21:21] <hitsujiTMO> sam113101: no, not unless someone writes specific gesture support for the specific touchpad
[21:21] <sisterFister> How do I stop windows from sticking to multiple monitor edges while using gnome shell?
[21:21] <hays> kostkon: did you say that 12.04 lts has 3.8 kernels?  Im showing the latest at 3.2.0-55 here.  Maybe something in my apt-sources?
[21:21] <sam113101> jhutchins: I want to do win+w with three fingers swipe, show workspaces with four fingers swipe, etc.
[21:22] <sam113101> and yes, touchpad gestures
[21:22] <jhutchins> sam113101: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch http://blog.ubuntulinuxguide.com/2013/03/get-mac-like-gesture-support-for-ubuntu.html
[21:22] <hitsujiTMO> snake2k ubuntu for android is ubuntu ruinning in a virtual machine on android. the project now appears to be dead and it has been replaced with ubuntu touch
[21:22] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar
[21:22] <sam113101> jhutchins: I'll read them
[21:23] <sam113101> thanks
[21:23] <Ben64> hays: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Release/Rolling
[21:23] <hays> sam113101: I got some basic gestures working.. the two-finger scroll is "backwards" from how the newer macs do it, but there is some configuration option somewhere to change it to be consistent with mac defaults...
[21:23] <jhutchins> sam113101: I wouldn't expect to get 100% of them working, but you might get close.
[21:23] <Snake2k> hitsujiTMO: Oh I see, thank you very much :)
[21:23] <hitsujiTMO> sisterFister: disable sticky edges in the display settings
[21:24] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar. how do i fix this??
[21:24] <hays> Ben64: do I need to be concerned that the first sentence in that page says the information provided is obsolete and irrelevant?
[21:25] <Ben64> hays: weird... the 12.04 stuff is all accurate though
[21:25] <bxtxcx> hi there!
[21:25] <sisterFister> hitsujiTMO: that option isn't there :\
[21:25] <kostkon> hays, 12.04 has 3.2, you'll get 3.8 only if you install 12.04.3 or manually install the raring stack becuase older 12.04 installations don't get updated automatically. see here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[21:25] <Ben64> !info linux-generic-lts-raring precise | hays
[21:26] <bxtxcx> i just installed Ubuntu 12.04lts on my macbook which was running snow leopard. I cant load the front camera! i have cheese app but says no device found
[21:26] <Ben64> kostkon: oh thats the link i was looking for
[21:26] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar. how do i fix this??
[21:26] <HeathHayle> Is there any way of installing ubuntu on a really old celron mobile processor laptop?
[21:27] <sisterFister> HeathHayle: try lubuntu ?
[21:27] <HeathHayle> Yer I am trying that now but it says it only supported till april 2014
[21:27] <sisterFister> HeathHayle: or puppylinux, it is so small that it stays on the RAM http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm
[21:28] <sisterFister> 100MB
[21:28] <kostkon> HeathHayle, yeah, lubuntu 12.04 is not an lts. i think 14.04 will be though
[21:28] <hays> kostkon: Ben64: so for troubleshooting purposes it seems like I should install the quantal kernel and then precise and see where things start to go to hell
[21:29] <hays> and I am assuming that installing 12.04.3 is equivalent to installing the updated hardware enablement stack
[21:29] <bxtxcx> anybody know how i can get the front camera up and going?
[21:29] <kostkon> hays, yeah the quantal, not raring sorry. you could try that and see how it goes. you can always revert back to the previous one if you know how
[21:30] <kostkon> hays, revert to the 3.2 kernel*
[21:30] <hays> im not even sure how to see what version of ubuntu im running .. lets see if its somewhere obvious vice digging around in the command lind
[21:30] <kostkon> hays, actually it;s not only about the kernel, also it's the graphics stack that gets updated
[21:31] <HeathHayle> But 14.04 doesn't work oh old hardware does it?
[21:31] <HeathHayle> On
[21:31] <bodhi_zazen> hays: cat /etc/issue
[21:31] <kostkon> hays, you are running 12.04.3.
[21:31] <hays> lsb_release maybe
[21:31] <Ben64> HeathHayle: ubuntu isn't really geared for very old computers
[21:32] <hays> yep im on 12.04.3 with the 3.2 kernel.. so that means these other packages update my kernel. cool. good way to safely narrow this down.
[21:33] <kostkon> HeathHayle, you could try lubuntu 13.10 and then upgrade to 14.04 that is going to be lts
[21:33] <dr3am_> i have windows on c: particion and data on d:, i install ubuntu on option "Install ubuntu alongside windows", now my question is where is installed ubunut ? Is it on c: ?
[21:33] <kostkon> hays, kernel and X
[21:33] <Ben64> dr3am_: linux doesn't use things like c: or d:
[21:33] <hays> kostkon: im pretty sure I had raring working on this
[21:33] <hays> i didn't formally test but i didn't run into anything glaring...  so we will see how this goes
[21:33] <bxtxcx> nobody knows how i can have the front camera working?! i have a macbook and running ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:34] <kostkon> hays, ok
[21:34] <ubuntu-studio> Hi there, guys. Any hint for a total newbie in UbuntuStudio?
[21:34] <hitsujiTMO> dr3am_: ubuntu will attempt to resize the partitions to make space for it. it will have its own partition (not visible from windows)
[21:35] <dr3am_> okey, but i cant run windows now, if i decide to install windows again and format c: , will i delete ubutnu ?
[21:35] <wilee-nilee> ubuntu-studio, well there is a #ubuntustudio channel, if you need support give details.
[21:35] <Ben64> dr3am_: you should paste the stuff requested of you like 30 mins ago
[21:35] <duxb> dr3am_ you won't delete it, but you will have to repair grub to be able to see it again
[21:35] <ubuntu-studio> THank you wilee-nilee. Joining.
[21:36] <Ben64> Oct 24 2013 14:11:30 <wilee-nilee>	dr3am_, use this app the bootinfo summary only, and post the url that is generated, it will give a lot of info that we really need to help you. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[21:36] <mjuszczak> Do I have to install 13.10 from scratch or is it reasonably reliable to simply go from 13.04 to 13.10 with distupgrade?
[21:37] <bodhi_zazen> dr3am_: "depends" , terms such as "c:" have limited meaning, you have to understand how both windows and linux refer to partitions, otherwise you will write data / install / format the wrong location and loose data
[21:37] <hays> hmm interesting. I got a message saying restricted drivers are available when i upgraded to 3.2.0-55
[21:37] <kostkon> mjuszczak, backup first, always do that, then try upgrading
[21:37] <wilee-nilee> mjuszczak, Some upgrade with no problems some do not, make sure you have backups always.
[21:38] <mjuszczak> sounds good.  Thank you.
[21:38] <hitsujiTMO> mjuszczak: purging ppas might be a good idea too
[21:38] <hays> wow a lot of hw modules removed..  fat32 and weird stuff that was probably just made monolithic
[21:38] <bxtxcx> nobody knows then?
[21:39] <Patero-ng> I have a dilema, I have a folder named coco owned by root with permissions dr-------- meaning read only for root, as a user I can't access it but doing sudo cd coco/ just returns invalid command... so how can I access this folder as root?
[21:39] <hays> When Ubuntu tells me that there are restrticted drivers available, where is it going to get them from?  e.g. what is it going to do under the hood
[21:39] <Ben64> Patero-ng: you need +x to be able to enter a directory, and "sudo cd" is not really going to do what you want either
[21:39] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: chmod +x it
[21:39] <wilee-nilee> bxtxcx, Can you identify the camera more exacting, run lspci and see if the info is there. sometimes cheese needs to be installed, details are the key here.
[21:41] <hitsujiTMO> bxtxcx: more than likely the camera is usb so you will need to run: lsusb
[21:41] <Xanadu> hey whats up?
[21:42] <Ionut> Hi, why do I get this? E: Couldn't configure pre-depend upstart-job for hostname, probably a dependency cycle.
[21:43] <duxb> hays: nvidia gives proprietary drivers to ubuntu to use if the user so chooses
[21:43] <pfifo> whats the largest value I can use for a user id in 13.10 64bit? 2^64?
[21:43] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, WE can help get the bootrepair app loaded and the part run needed if you are unable to understand using it, we are here to help, but we need details many times to do so.
[21:44] <duxb> your computer installs them from the ubuntu repos, but they're closed source, and written/maintained by nvidia, or whoever
[21:44] <hitsujiTMO> pfifo nobody - 1
[21:45] <dr3am_> is there any other way to fix windows boot without win cd repair ?
[21:45] <pfifo> only 16bit? thats so 1980's
[21:46] <Patero-ng> Ben64: I know I just added x to owner but still sudo cd won't work
[21:46] <hays> duxb: yeah these aren't nvidia.. not sure what they are because i don't know how to get a list.. its just a button to install
[21:46] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I just did still sudo cd says is invalid
[21:46] <Ben64> Patero-ng: read what i wrote... i said "sudo cd" isn't going to do what you want
[21:47] <jhutchins> Patero-ng: Your permissions are invalid.
[21:47] <duxb> hays: if ubuntu is asking you to install them, they're from the official repos, so they can be trusted, but updates to them may come infrequently or not be supported by the official ubuntu team
[21:47] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: your prob able to get into the directory as root, but cant as a user.
[21:47] <wolfy1339> software updater has crashed and is now displaying only the title bar. how do i fix this??
[21:47] <hays> duxb: yeah i just want to see waht they are
[21:48] <Patero-ng> Ben64: I just want to access the folder so I can see its files and stuff then if sudo cd is not valid how can I access that folder
[21:48] <duxb> hays: what are they for? sound? network?
[21:48] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: i can't as root either
[21:48] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: unless I change chmod bits
[21:49] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: to allow users or other users then root read and execute permisions and I don't want that
[21:49] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: what are the permissions for the directory now?
[21:49] <Patero-ng> dr-x------
[21:49] <Patero-ng> ^
[21:49] <hays> duxb: i don't know
[21:50] <hays> duxb: I just have a button that says drivers are available.. trying to see what they are
[21:50] <saml> hays, help me
[21:50] <wolfy1339> guys, how do i lock /var/lib/dpkg cause a process that was using it crashed
[21:50] <duxb> hays: if you start the install, you should be able to see what it is, but that does require starting it
[21:50] <hitsujiTMO> only as root can you enter that directory. you cannot enter with sudo, as once you're in then you no longer have permissions so you get kicked out again
[21:50] <saml> what's the app that prompts you  when i do `git pull` ?
[21:51] <saml> ssh key stuff
[21:51] <jpds> saml: SSH.
[21:51] <bodhi_zazen> Patero-ng: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/linux-permissions.shtml#zzee_link_9_1077830297
[21:51] <saml> it was gui prompt
[21:51] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: what exactly are you trying to achieve?
[21:51] <saml> it stopped working
[21:51] <duxb> pater: try sudo su; cd directoryname
[21:51] <jpds> saml: Then, whatever SSH is using a plugin for key auth, like seahorse.
[21:51] <saml> or should i just use ssh-agent ?
[21:51] <pfifo> Patero-ng: maybe you want, 'sudo ls coco/'
[21:52] <saml> jpds, i had this in autostart @/usr/lib/policykit-1-gnome/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1
[21:52] <saml>   
[21:52] <xubuntu__> hi
[21:52] <bodhi_zazen> permissions for files != permissions for directories, and what are you hoping to do with "sudo cd ..."
[21:52] <peter_> guy I installed ubuntu next to windows and I would swear that I let 15 GB for ubuntu but now my partition has only 5.7 which is almost full
[21:52] <saml> but that command fails since upgrade to 13.10
[21:52] <hays> duxb: ahhh  Qualcomm Ethernet and STA driver.. that's interesting.. it wants to install the STA package
[21:52] <Patero-ng> pfifo: that's an option
[21:52] <peter_> what is easiest way how to enlarge it ?
[21:52] <xubuntu__> can anyone help me repartition the disk for ubuntu ?
[21:52] <jhutchins> peter_: Back up your data, repartition, restore.
[21:52] <xubuntu__> Im on a sony vaio and it has a LOT of ntfs partitions
[21:52] <xubuntu__> i dont know why
[21:53] <wolfy1339> why is it that nobody here is answering my questions??!!
[21:53] <hays> There is an AES_64 module that is gone, and a dm_crypt module added
[21:53] <saml> hrm polkit is already running
[21:53] <duxb> xubuntu: gparted on a live cd
[21:53] <hitsujiTMO> peter_ use gparted from live cd
[21:53] <jhutchins> wolfy1339: It could just be that nobody understands what you want.  I think maybe you want to remove the lock file from the failed proces so you can re-run it.
[21:54] <jhutchins> wolfy1339: We're all just fellow users hanging out.
[21:54] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: can you explain exactly what you want to do and we might be able to advise a better alternative
[21:54] <xubuntu__> i know how to do it, but im not sure about the sizes, or whether to delete others, or if im allowed to use 6/7 partitions
[21:54] <xubuntu__> in a ssd disk
[21:55] <bodhi_zazen> wolfy1339: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock; sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:55] <wolfy1339> thx
[21:55] <xubuntu__> it seems to have no free space. ill send a screensho
[21:55] <peter_> btw this is how my disk looks now http://postimg.org/image/isikw8yhl/
[21:55] <xubuntu__> t
[21:55] <Archyme> xubuntu__, why dont you just resize the partition you want to make bigger? then your not adding a partition
[21:55] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: just a folder that a root can read and everyone else can't even read less write or execute
[21:55] <jhutchins> I swear I saw a factoid from ubottu on how to unlock a stuck apt process...
[21:55] <peter_> i think i did provide the 15gb but it got splited what is difference between filesystem partition and swap?
[21:56] <peyam> Hej
[21:56] <pfifo> jhutchins: you should check ubottu.com
[21:56] <peter_> i would like to merge those two
[21:56] <peyam> I want to show the GPU tempertature in conky. how do I do it?
[21:56] <jhutchins> pfifo: Not sure of my search terms.
[21:56] <peyam> I use this one. but it doesnt work http://kurdiskingenjor.wordpress.com/2013/07/13/display-the-ati-amd-radeon-hd-temperature-in-conky/
[21:56] <jhutchins> peyam: Do you have a gpu temperature sensor?
[21:56] <pfifo> jhutchins: read them all 1 by 1?
[21:56] <xubuntu__> Archyme, but there are only ntfs partitions...
[21:57] <peyam> jhutchins: yes. lm-sensors
[21:57] <wilee-nilee> jhutchins sudo apt-get -f install maybe or  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:57] <jhutchins> peyam: No, I mean are you sure the actual sensor exists?
[21:57] <bodhi_zazen> !aptlock | jhutchins
[21:57] <jhutchins> wilee-nilee: That won't work if a crashed process locked the DB>
[21:57] <Archyme> xubuntu__, did you install ubuntu through windows?
[21:57] <hitsujiTMO> Patero-ng: thats what you're doing , but why is more akin to what i'm asking for
[21:58] <jhutchins> bodhi_zazen: Dead on, I'll try to remember that!
[21:58] <wilee-nilee> jhutchins, I only read your last post that was not in that.
[21:58] <peyam> yes. it shows the tempearute in the terminal jhutchins . but since I have two variables names temp1 the conky shows both of them and not one
[21:58] <peyam> jhutchins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297556/
[21:58] <xubuntu__> Archyme, http://imgur.com/H0M5GC7
[21:58] <tripelb> 12.04 5+ gig dee o  hard drive. it got slow. WHAT IS UP? Also "some files unreadable. What so I do next. Just rebooted still so slow it is pausing to select an entry in a directory list.
[21:58] <xubuntu__> that is a screenshot of my disk
[21:58] <xubuntu__> i dont know where to add ubuntu
[21:59] <pfifo> tripelb: trying to read that bad block over and over again until it finally gives up and times out
[21:59] <Patero-ng> hitsujiTMO: I think there are other alternatives I can do like what other person recommended to use ls instead then cd to view the files inside that folder
[21:59] <Archyme> xubuntu__, do you have drive letters on all of those partitions?
[22:00] <Marlenee> iam looking for best secure free disk spcae eraser  ?
[22:00] <pfifo> Patero-ng: we want to know the bigger picture here, your trying to look at some files owned by root... well why do you want to look at root's files?
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> "best" is subjective, I like scrub, YMMV
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> Marlenee: ^^
[22:01] <jhutchins> peyam: You can rename the variables in the config for lm_sensors.
[22:02] <peyam> jhutchins: how?
[22:02] <Archyme> Marlenee, you can still find parted magic for free if you look hard enough
[22:03] <peter_> ou crap i see I didnt realize that if i let ubuntu have 15 GB it will take  8 for swap -_-
[22:03] <xubuntu_> heres a screenshot of my disk. im not sure what those partitions are. http://imgur.com/H0M5GC7
[22:03] <Marlenee> Archyme : iam just Looking For simple CLI tool
[22:04] <bodhi_zazen> Marlenee: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1024K count=1024; rm file
[22:04] <hitsujiTMO> Marlenee: dd is the best free secure disk eraser
[22:05] <pfifo> bodhi_zazen: thats not a very secure disc erase
[22:05] <Archyme> Marlenee, are you trying to do something like windows' trim? for a ssd?
[22:06] <Marlenee> is "dd" faster enough to erase a big freespace like 500 GB or it depend on the speed of the HDD
[22:07] <bodhi_zazen> pfifo: if the count is large enough, it will zero fill the free space and IMO is secure , for the entire disk, modify dd, of=/dev/sda or what not
[22:07] <jpds> Marlenee: Depends on the size of the HDD and how fast it spins.
[22:07] <k1l> Marlenee: take a look at "shred". but the speed is limited by the hdd
[22:07] <dr3am_> damn
[22:07] <hitsujiTMO> Marlenee: its as fast as anyother software is going to be, limited only by hdd speed/interface speed
[22:07] <dr3am_> ubuntu is piece of shit
[22:07] <tmmunq> also the command you use for dd, blocksize makes a huge difference
[22:08] <hays> kostkon: well 3.5 was ok... going to the raring stack now.. which I also suspect will work since I was on raring before im pretty sure.
[22:08] <hitsujiTMO> !language | dr3am_
[22:08] <pfifo> bodhi_zazen: im talking the /dev/zero part, try /dev/urandom in the future, also if you omit the count altoghter, it will fill the disk
[22:08] <kostkon> hays, nice
[22:09] <hays> kostkon: well if its not a kernel issue im kinda stumped where the problem could have resided.. but i guess well see
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> why is urandom more or less secure then /dev/zero ?
[22:09] <kostkon> hays, yeah
[22:09] <tmmunq> wait, are you trying to just zero the disc or shred it for encryption?
[22:09] <hays> bodhi_zazen: that is a complicated question that depends on a lot of hardware specific information about the disk
[22:10] <Patero-ng> pfifo: because she is my math teacher
[22:10] <hays> the biggest key is really making sure the disk is actually physically writing zeros where you think it is
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> we seem to have a discusssion on whats best to erase a hd  in here about every week. ;)  I think  the general idea is that using zero, makes it practically unrecoverable by any but the most dedicated reovery experts.. and even with the experts its not a guarentee if its even possible. ;)
[22:10] <hays> and that is highly unsure especially with an SSD.
[22:10] <Dr_Willis> Yes - The rules are very differnt with SSD drives..
[22:11] <hays> The only way to really get rid of the data is to destroy the disk
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> ;) not even sure they can be recovered from, unless they dont write to the location in question.
[22:11] <wilee-nilee> !bs | dr3am_
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> definatly seen people say 'dont use dd' on a ssd.
[22:11] <pfifo> Patero-ng: what?
[22:11] <Dr_Willis> well.. dont use dd to write to a ssd. ;)
[22:12] <wilee-nilee> dr3am_, There is a Bosnia local try them if thats where your at the language problem is where we are at.
[22:12] <hays> Dr_Willis: well there are some history effects that can occur with SSDs because of the way the data is written (quantum tunneling or some crap that leaves a trace for a while)
[22:12] <hays> its been a while since I've read the papers on it
[22:12] <hitsujiTMO> hays: theres trim for ssds (well, those that support it)
[22:13] <hays> also depends on who your adversary is for what you are comfortable with
[22:13] <Dr_Willis> hays:  in theory information is never destroyed if you throw it in a black hole also.. ;) but it all  boils down to the practical aspects ;) Im a mechanic jim! not a therotical-physisicsist..
[22:13] <hays> but if they have microscopes and are willing to use them, you're mostly hosed
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> check the logs for the channel. should be a lot of urls mentioned.
[22:14] <hays> Dr_Willis: well suffice it to say that I've seen some things that are surprisingly possible with the right tools, and mostly automated
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> Hehe, start trek quotes. ;)
[22:14] <wilee-nilee> star*
[22:14] <Dr_Willis> Hay - from what i recall  in the discussions..  a lot of that was in theory also.. but i just watch the discussions here. ;) i dont read the articals.
[22:15] <wilee-nilee> the original was the best in my book
[22:15] <pfifo> Dr_Willis: how are you a mechnic if your a doctor?
[22:15] <peyam> wilee-nilee: do you know how I can show the second temp1 in conky? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297556/
[22:15] <kostkon> wilee-nilee, aka star trek tos
[22:15] <hays> kostkon: got some error messages that didn't abort the install
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> wilee-nilee:  got a few hunderd startrek ebooks on my kindle. ;)
[22:15] <Dr_Willis> pfifo:  its all mechanical. )
[22:15] <kostkon> hays, hmm. what kind
[22:15]  * Dr_Willis operates on ubottu
[22:16] <pfifo> witch doctor
[22:16] <hays> alsa-hda, i915, compat-wireless-3.4-rc1-1-alx-dkms (kernel modules)
[22:16] <hays> kostkon: %%
[22:17] <wilee-nilee> peyam, here is mine, http://pastebin.com/PxwAxmvx
[22:18] <sburjan`> Hello. Can someone tell me where can I find what a packages actually does in my system ? I am curious what is libshadow-ruby. I know it's related to Ruby, but I want some details. I am unable to find a website which gives more details about this package in Ubuntu
[22:18] <wilee-nilee> peyam, The temp is commented out is all I have the shell running and a extension showing them.
[22:18] <hitsujiTMO> sburjan`: apt-cache show packagename
[22:18] <kostkon> sburjan`, packages.ubuntu.com or apps.ubuntu.com or apt-cache show package_name in terminal or open the software centre
[22:19] <peyam> wilee-nilee: but do you have the same graphic card?
[22:19] <wilee-nilee> no I doubt it
[22:20] <wilee-nilee> peyam, I have not followed your post, you called me not I you. ;)
[22:20] <hays> kostkon: looks like redeclerations of enumerators in the module source code
[22:20] <peyam> wilee-nilee: when I run sensors in teminal I got the link I sended you and now I want the radeon-pc-...temp1 in my conky. and I dont know how
[22:20] <hays> kostkon: looks like stuff related to sound (alsa)
[22:20] <sburjan`> kostkon: I see the description: Transitional package for ruby-shadow [universe] . But I still don't know what is a transitional package
[22:21] <kostkon> hays, ok. it shouldn't be a problem
[22:21] <hays> kostkon: ooh here's one that seems bad..
[22:21] <hays> hmm i need to get xchat or something on this other machine
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> sburjan`: a transitional package is a package that has been replaced by another ... it is only there so theres no broken dependanices on upgrades for users that used to use it
[22:22] <peyam> wilee-nilee: any suggestion?
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> !info ruby-shadow
[22:22] <wilee-nilee> peyam, let me repeat, you called me not I you, just randomly asking people gets no where.
[22:22] <Dr_Willis> lets ruby acess the shadow file it seems. ;)
[22:23] <peyam> wilee-nilee: so you don't know?
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> peyam:  so whats the weather in alaska right now? ;)
[22:23] <hays> kostkon: something more serious in the compat-wireless module I think
[22:23] <kostkon> sburjan`, it means that the package is obsolete but being kept only for dist-upgrade purposes. it actually points to a another packge in this case ruby-shadow
[22:23] <peyam> Dr_Willis: good :)
[22:23] <kostkon> hays, what is the error
[22:23] <Dr_Willis> peyam:  find conky example scripts that do what you want...  and borrow their configs. ;)
[22:23] <wilee-nilee> peyam, I need some coffee from starbucks can you pick me up a cup?
[22:24] <sburjan`> kostkon: Thanks ! Now I understand better. And the description of ruby-shadow is: 	Interface of shadow password for Ruby. This allows ruby to interact with /etc/shadow file ?
[22:24] <Dr_Willis> sburjan`:  thats my guess.. since thats where the shadow passowrds are kept. ;0
[22:24] <hays> kostkon: working on it... have to get irc connected on this machine
[22:24] <pfifo> peyam: bring wilee-nilee's coffee by my place before you take it to him
[22:24] <peyam> Dr_Willis: I actually have a conky. but when I updated the distro I got two temps. one for the virtuel device and one for GPU. and both have the same name. When I write temp1 in the conky I get both temperatures but I only want one f them.
[22:24] <kostkon> sburjan`, apt-cache show ruby-shadow might show a longer desc.
[22:25] <kostkon> hays, ok
[22:25] <sburjan`> thanks everyone ! I'll go to sleep less stupid than I was before I woke up this morning
[22:25] <u19809> Hi all, I still run 12.10 precise and I wish to upgrade to the lastest version 13.10.  However my do-release-update says there is no upgrade path from precise to trusty... how can I proceed ?
[22:26] <techlord> Hello I am looking for ideas, I have installed ubuntu on a PC and after updateing the GPU driver to propierity driver it will not load. How can I cahnge the driver without full reinstall of OS?
[22:26] <peyam> Dr_Willis: wilee-nilee you see that I have two variables named temp1. and my conky for determine that value is : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297703/
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  you  have to go to 13.04 first
[22:26] <pfifo> sburjan`: for the most information about a package on ubuntu, view its entry on launchpad.net
[22:26] <sburjan`> kostkon: Indeed, I have now more information, thanks !
[22:26] <kostkon> sburjan`, np
[22:26] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  then to 13.10 - a clean install may be faster/more reliable
[22:27] <u19809> Dr_Willis : faster perhaps but more reliable ?  And how can I install 13.04. It seems the upgrade wishes to install the 13.10 ... can I specify the older version ?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  theres alwyas horror stories about upgradeng to the next release that fails.
[22:28] <sisterFister> Hello everyone. I'm usinglubuntu for one of the first times but i need to find a way to change the default monospace font. How is this done?
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  normal upgrade path is from LTS to the next LTS. or each step in btweeen
[22:28] <bodhi_zazen> Dr_Willis: as well as horror stories about fresh installs =)
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  as far as i know you cant jump releases.
[22:28] <Dr_Willis> except in the case of LTS to LTS.
[22:29] <u19809> If it fails I can always do a fresh install.  the problem remains .. how can I specify intermediate releases ...
[22:29] <Dr_Willis> u19809:  you are using actual ubuntu, and not some ubuntu variant like mint, or  pinguy  ect?
[22:30] <kostkon> u19809, it doesn't seem right that it offers you 13.10 instead od 13.04
[22:30] <hays> is there a dpaste or other pastebin command line utility in the repos?
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> theres a do-release-upgrade --SOMEOPTIONS  that i have seen used.
[22:30] <sisterFister> Hello everyone. I'm usinglubuntu for one of the first times but i need to find a way to change the default monospace font. How is this done?
[22:30] <Dr_Willis> !info pastebinit | hays
[22:30] <kostkon> u19809, you said 12.10 precise. is it 12.10 or 12.04?
[22:30] <pfifo> isnt 12.10 EOL? 9 months now isnt it?
[22:30] <kostkon> oh thats way
[22:30] <u19809> dr_willis no ubuntu (kubuntu in fact)
[22:30] <kostkon> yeah
[22:30] <sisterFister> The letter spacing in my terminal is all messed up in Lubuntu
[22:30] <kostkon> then...
[22:30] <hays> kostkon: http://dpaste.com/1428477/
[22:31] <kostkon> eol | u19809
[22:31] <kostkon> oops
[22:31] <u19809> kostkon 12.10  ... precise
[22:31] <Dr_Willis> if 12.10 is EOL and they have moved to the EOL servers for it. then you may need to fix your sources.list fisrt
[22:31] <kostkon> !eolupgrades | u19809
[22:31] <ixio2> if I create an SSH tunnel using sudo ssh -NTCf -w 0:0 1.2.3.4 | how can I tear that tunnel down again ?
[22:31] <auscompgeek> ixio2: kill?
[22:31] <u19809> Strange is that i did not get offered upgrades ... just fixes
[22:31] <ixio2> auscompgeek how would I know which process it is ?
[22:31] <kostkon> hays, did it fail completely or it has already finished?
[22:32] <auscompgeek> ixio2: anything that lists processes
[22:32] <hays> kostkon: well it finished, but those look like hard errors to me... I can reboot and see what happens
[22:32] <kostkon> hays, some modules are getting rebuild by dkms for the new kernel and that where these msgs are coming from
[22:32] <hitsujiTMO> i thought 12.10 is not eol til april
[22:32] <auscompgeek> u19809: 12.10 is quantal, not precise
[22:32] <ramine> hey, just testing this new client. is this working?
[22:33] <wilee-nilee> nope
[22:33] <auscompgeek> ramine: test failed :P
[22:33] <hays> kostkon: well I saved the logs and am rebooting to see if things work or not
[22:33] <ramine> heh thx
[22:33] <Trudko_> guys can I load  ubuntu , use gpart to shrink windows partition a bit and assign it to ubuntu?
[22:33] <ramine> does freenode have registering / confirming nicks?
[22:33] <hays> kostkon: hmm hey look at that.. no wireless heh
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  yes. you can resize wingows partions with gparted. and enlarge linux partions with the same tool.
[22:34] <u19809> auscompgeek : correct I run 12.04 ... precise
[22:34] <hitsujiTMO> Trudko_: no you need to do it while the partitions are not mounted. so do it from a live cd
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  make backups first
[22:34] <kostkon> hays, damn. check for drivers in software sources
[22:34] <k1l> !register | ramine
[22:34] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, I would use windows disk management to resize it then reboot it so the chkdsk run before you install ubuntu.
[22:34] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  use the gparted or some other live -cd - so you have full access to the disks. they must NOT be in use
[22:34] <Trudko_> wilee-nilee: i alredy installed ubuntu but partition I have assigned to it is too small
[22:34] <OerHeks> 12.10 is supported until april 2014
[22:35] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, I would still use windows to resize itself if it were me.
[22:35] <hays> kostkon: the brcmsmac module is still loaded...
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  and windows can resize its own ntfs (while its in use) and i find does the job much faster then gparted does
[22:35] <kostkon> hays, hmmm
[22:35] <Dr_Willis> Trudko_:  use windows to shrink itself., then use gparted live cd. to elnarge the linux partions
[22:35] <Trudko_> ok so I should resize while in windows ( so now)
[22:35] <hays> kostkon: the brcmsmac driver for some reason thinks the wifi is rfkilled with a hardware block
[22:36] <hays> this is what happened when I upgraded to 13.10
[22:36] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, You have to be in admin is all, this is what windows release?
[22:36] <kostkon> hays, let's unblock it then  rfkill unblock all?
[22:36] <chrislustic> wifi resets at random on 13.10, i went back to 13.04
[22:36] <hays> kostkon: well ill try again but I think that doesn't work with a hard block
[22:36] <Trudko_> wilee-nilee: sorry dont understand whay you just said
[22:36] <ran_> hi. i have a question about xubuntu 13.10
[22:37] <kostkon> hays, maybe try with sudo but im not sure
[22:37] <hays> kostkon: yeah no effect
[22:37] <hays> that's definitely the issue with the brcmsmac driver... now if I remember, I tried the -sta driver and got similar problems...
[22:37] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, The install of windows is the admin account, what winds release W7, vista, W8, W8.1?
[22:37] <kostkon> hays, hmm
[22:37] <hays> i wonder if there is a way to get that install proprietary drivers prompt to come up again
[22:38] <kostkon> hays, search for additional hardware in the dash
[22:38] <Trudko_> are you asking me what windows do i have?
[22:38] <Wally> I'd like to be able to use Ubuntu as an iTunes Home Sharing server is there anyone that knows a good package for that?
[22:38] <pfifo> hays: I had to install 'linux-firmware-nonfree' to get unhard-blocked
[22:38] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, Why yes I am.
[22:38] <Trudko_> I have w7
[22:38] <hays> pfifo: what is that?
[22:39] <wilee-nilee> Trudko_, cool Xp does not have a partitioner that run while you are using it, just confirming you have the correct tools.
[22:39] <pfifo> hays: it was on my moms laptop too which has a broadcom card. 'sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree'
[22:39] <hays> pfifo: that package is not in my repo
[22:40] <hays> maybe i need multiverse turned on or someting
[22:41] <pfifo> hays: yes its in multiverse
[22:41] <hays> doh no internet
[22:42] <pfifo> hays: is the power turned on?
[22:42] <hays> one sec :)
[22:42] <pfifo> :)
[22:42] <hays> pfifo: no the wireless is down so i had to plug in
[22:44] <hays> pfifo: hmmm..  added multiverse still not there..  checking again
[22:44] <pfifo> hays: 'sudo apt-get update'
[22:45] <techlord> Hello I am looking for ideas, I have installed ubuntu on a PC and after updating the GPU driver to propierity driver it will not load. How can I change the driver without full reinstall of OS?
[22:45] <hays> pfifo: yes did that.. might not have added the multiverse right...
[22:45] <hitsujiTMO> hays: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download  just download it from here it has no dependancies
[22:46] <auscompgeek> techlord: recovery or text mode
[22:46] <auscompgeek> !recovery
[22:47] <auscompgeek> that works as well
[22:47] <hitsujiTMO> techlord: what gpu and how did you install it?
[22:47] <hays> pfifo: so you installed that and did you have to do anything?
[22:47] <hays> there is no manpage for linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> hays there's not going to be ... its a collection of firmware
[22:48] <pfifo> hays: after that i could 'sudo rfkill unblock wifi0' successfully (might have needed a reboot)
[22:48] <pfifo> hays: 'apt-cache show linux-firmware-nonfree'
[22:48] <hitsujiTMO> hays: you can see the details of the package here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/saucy/all/linux-firmware-nonfree/download
[22:49] <nurow> does anyone know of a GUI/fornt-end for sixad or another way to connect SixAxis (PS3) controllers over bluetooth? It is really annoying to have to use a command line every single time I want to use my controller.
[22:50] <ixio2> any idea how to obtain the external IP address of the router I am behind from shell only ?
[22:51] <fishscene> nurow: Not that this really helps or whatnot, but if you have to use the terminal, is it possible to script?
[22:51] <hitsujiTMO> nurow: could you not write a script for it and link it with a .desktop  .... or better yet, detect when the device is plugged in then call the script?
[22:51] <hays> pfifo: no effect here.. but it seems like firmware would have to be flashed wouldn't it?
[22:52] <nurow> well.. part of my reasoning is the I'm going to be connecting multiple controllers, and I'd like a graphical interface for managing them, disconnecting them etc.
[22:52] <pfifo> hays: no
[22:52] <hays> pfifo: hmm i think this package does not contain firmware for my card...  i see a bcm2033 and bcm70012/15.. no bcm4313
[22:53] <auscompgeek> ixio2: query an external server for your external IP
[22:53] <ixio2> yes, how ?
[22:53] <nurow> when I go to the website for QTsixA, it has a GUI. But I can't seem to figure out how to get to it. The screenshot is here: http://kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/107197-1.jpeg
[22:53] <hays> tried it also, no effect.. well I guess I will try to use the STA driver again to see how that goes
[22:54] <pfifo> hays it has b43 drivers in it
[22:54] <nurow> I installed using this guide, which is defeintely QTsixA: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis
[22:54] <hitsujiTMO> nurow is it not this sofware then ? https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/qtsixa
[22:54] <nurow> yep thats it
[22:54] <auscompgeek> yeah
[22:55] <OerHeks> ixio2, http://www.whatismyip.com/
[22:55] <ixio2> "from the shell only" - I guess I could use lync
[22:55] <kostkon> nurow, added the ppa and instlled the pacakge?
[22:55] <pfifo> nurow: it might be called 'qtsixa'
[22:56] <nurow> yep. and QTsixA shows installed in the Ubuntu software center
[22:56] <pfifo> nurow: what happens when you run it?
[22:56] <OerHeks> ixio2, curl ifconfig.me
[22:56] <hays> pfifo: did you flash something with b43-cutter?
[22:56] <hitsujiTMO> nurow what happens when you type qtsixa from terminal?
[22:56] <pfifo> hays: this isnt that kind of firmware
[22:56] <ixio2> thanks OerHeks
[22:57] <nurow> Unity finds nothing for "QtsixA" or "Sixad", but I can get it to pair using  "sixad --start" from terminal
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> nurow, type qtsixa in terminal
[22:57] <pfifo> nurow: what package did you install to get this stuff?
[22:57] <hitsujiTMO> not in unity
[22:57] <kostkon> nurow, try giving for example 'qtsixa' in the terminal. search for it in the dash also
[22:57] <nurow> pfifo, I followed this guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sixaxis
[22:58] <nurow> qtsixa: command not found
[22:58] <kostkon> lets download the package and find the name of the executable
[22:58] <hays> pfifo: im still using bcmsmac drivers so maybe I need to switch over to b43 drivers then?
[22:58] <hitsujiTMO> nurow: looking at the bazaar branch, the gui is marked as dev, it might not acutally be released yet
[22:59] <kostkon> nurow, 'qtsixa'
[23:00] <pfifo> nurow: did you read the first paragraph of that tutorial?
[23:00] <nurow> huh.. maybe I should try installing the deb from their website?
[23:00] <kostkon> nurow, sixad-lq sixad-notify those should be in your /usr/bin
[23:00] <kostkon> those 3*
[23:00] <kostkon> nurow, try giving:  /usr/bin/qtsixa
[23:00] <pfifo> hays: im not sure, you might have to undo stuff you already did
[23:01] <kostkon> nurow, it sholdnt make any difference
[23:02] <hays> pfifo: im following the guide which says I need to run System > Administration > Hardware/Additional Drivers... which doesn't show the b43 module
[23:02] <pfifo> hays: cant help with anything gui related sorry
[23:02] <kostkon> nurow, definitely the executable is qtsixa, i just checked its desktop file
[23:02] <nurow> there is no qtsixa in usr/bin
[23:02] <pfifo> nurow: this tutorial you linked dosent provide qtsixa, note #1 says its available as a ppa
[23:03] <hays> pfifo: so you just activated the drivers how?  installing doesn't seem to have done it.. bcmsmac is still being loaded
[23:03] <kostkon> nurow, are you sure you have install the qtsixa package from this ppa?: https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/qtsixa/+packages
[23:04] <kostkon> installed*
[23:04] <kostkon> nurow, im starting to believe thats not the case
[23:04] <hitsujiTMO> nurow: you may need to install the gui seperately: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7472939
[23:05] <pfifo> hays: sorry, it dosent seem linux-firmware-nonfree worked for you like it did for me, Im unable to offer a course of action from here.
[23:05] <nurow> yeah i think you guys are right
[23:05] <nurow> i was confused, I had only the PPA
[23:05] <hitsujiTMO> hays: whats the exact line lspci for the wireless?
[23:05] <kostkon> nurow, give:  sudo apt-get install qtsixa
[23:06] <kostkon> nurow, thn search for it in the dash, you should get a result for it
[23:06] <Fabio> what is the best way to have a clean ubuntu where i can set up my favourite desktop?
[23:06] <pfifo> Fabio: debootstrapping
[23:07] <kostkon> Fabio, mini iso?
[23:07] <kostkon> !mini
[23:07] <hitsujiTMO> Fabio: ubuntu server
[23:08] <pfifo> hitsujiTMO: server uses a kernel optimized for server
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> pfifo not since 13.04 all kernels have merged
[23:08] <hitsujiTMO> they're all now generic
[23:08] <schultza> how do i disable the desktop icons, but keep the background image?
[23:08] <schultza> oh.. and not have it come back
[23:09] <Fabio> I had thought about the server, but I see conflicting opinions :)
[23:10] <pfifo> Fabio: hitsujiTMO is right about the kernels, I still recommend using debootstrap if your a power user or better
[23:11] <Fabio> thank you at all!
[23:12] <ixio2> ubuntu server and then you can install whatever desktop manager you want afterwards
[23:13] <schultza> how do i disable the desktop icons, but keep the background image?  and keep them [icons] gone?
[23:14] <Fabio> which DE you use?
[23:14] <mwhooker> Hi folks. I'm creating a chroot, and running various chef recipes in it. the end result is there are a handful of services that get started. my goal is to stop all these processes so I can remove the chroot. Ideally I would use policy-rc.d to make sure these processes don't start in the first place, but some of the services use upstart which doesn't respect the sysvinit policy files. Does anyone have any ideas?
[23:14] <schultza> unity
[23:15] <pfifo> mwhooker: your supposed you add a diversion to /sbin/initctl before you start installing software
[23:15] <mwhooker> pfifo okay, thanks. I read about that but wasn't sure it was best practice
[23:15] <pfifo> mwhooker: reboot to those process to stop, then add the diversion before you continue
[23:16] <hays> kostkon: haha. the sta driver is unblocked supposedly but there are no networks.
[23:16] <pfifo> to get*
[23:16] <Fabio> schultza I do not remember but there was an app for the tweaks?!
[23:16] <kostkon> hays, no networks being shown?
[23:16] <mwhooker> pfifo I'm pretty new to chroots. what do you mean by reboot? the parent system?
[23:16] <hays> kostkon: yeah the scan shows no networks in range
[23:17] <schultza> yes.. and there is a bug with that... im following the bug on that... disabled icons, but enabled background image. and made sure something else was "active". relogged in.. initially there were not there, but apparently there is a script that reactivates the desktop icons
[23:17] <kostkon> hays, hmm
[23:17] <kostkon> hays, try disabling networking and enabling it again
[23:17] <schultza> and every time i get an update from ubuntu updates.. my desktop icons reappear.. these icons are redundant for me.
[23:17] <kostkon> hays, whats the output of nm-tool
[23:18] <pfifo> mwhooker: yes, the processes that started used the host's system's /proc and hence dbus and upstart to start up
[23:18] <Quest> my laptop sleeps after some inactivity time. how can i change that. using kde, kubuntu?
[23:18] <jcastro_> schultza, ubuntu doesn't put icons on your desktop by default
[23:18] <jcastro_> which icons do you mean?
[23:18] <kostkon> hays, without sudo, just nm-tool
[23:18] <schultza> Computer, Home, and Trash. All of which are on my launcher bar.
[23:18] <schultza> ie: redundant
[23:19] <jcastro_> do you remember how you added them to the desktop?
[23:19] <mwhooker> pfifo that makes a lot of sense. so you're saying the host system needs to be modified?
[23:19] <hays> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6297882/ kostkon
[23:19] <schultza> i never purposely added them... it was these annoying updates that keep readding them.. since this last update though, they keep reappear after login
[23:19] <pfifo> mwhooker: are you trying to end the processes you started? I highly recommend a reboot
[23:20] <kostkon> hays, disconnet the lan and see what happens?
[23:20] <AzizLight> Hi everybody
[23:20] <hays> kostkon: also I should note that there is an LED on my notebook that is usually lit when WiFi is on.. and its not lit.
[23:20] <mwhooker> pfifo I don't need the processes to start in the first place
[23:20] <jcastro_> schultza, gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false
[23:20] <jcastro_> should do the trick
[23:20] <kostkon> hays, that's not a good sign :/
[23:21] <hays> kostkon: heh yeah.
[23:21] <AzizLight> Using rsync, how can I sync a directory while changing the destination name please? ie: `rsync rsync -v -r -h --progress --no-implied-dirs --exclude 'autorun' $DOTS/home/.irssi/scripts $HOME/.dotfiles/irssi_scripts
[23:21] <schultza> thanks.. ill check that out..
[23:21] <pfifo> mwhooker: they start when you install/update them... simply entering the chroot wont make them start
[23:22] <AzizLight> but without creating the irssi_scripts/scripts/ dir in the example above
[23:23] <schultza> nope.. still there
[23:24] <mwhooker> pfifo to add more context, the host system is running on ec2. the chroot is a mounted volume containing a base ubuntu install. Nothing is running in the chroot yet. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think redirecting ioctl before running chef (installs extra software, runs it), should make sure that nothing starts. right?
[23:24] <chris111> is there anyway to check if an ftp transfer has completed succesfully?
[23:25] <hays> kostkon: the internet says to try an old version of the sta driver package.  how would I do that with apt?
[23:25] <hays> bcmwl-driver-source is the package...
[23:26] <pfifo> mwhooker: i cant say for sure as I dont know chef, But I can tell you that running 'dpkg-divert --rename /sbin/initctl' will make upstart jobs NOT run.
[23:26] <sam113101> what's a system compositor?
[23:26] <mwhooker> pfifo oh wow, even better. I didn't know dpkg-divert existed. thanks so much for your help
[23:26] <project0101> hi
[23:27] <hays> kostkon: actually, nevermind..  I think this solution is pretty suboptimal.  Im just going to figure out how to revert to the raring stack
[23:27] <hays> err quantal stack
[23:27] <pfifo> importantmwhooker: 'dpkg-divert --rename /sbin/initctl && ln -sf /bin/ture /sbin/initctl' to be exact, the symlink is
[23:27] <kostkon> hays, that sounds better :)
[23:27] <pfifo> mwhooker: 'dpkg-divert --rename /sbin/initctl && ln -sf /bin/ture /sbin/initctl' to be exact, the symlink is important
[23:28] <mwhooker> thanks again =)
[23:28] <hays> is there a way to run 13.10 with a 3.5 kernel that is advisable?
[23:28] <pfifo> mwhooker: dpkg-divert is grat because if you upgrade upstart, it will see the diversion, and leave it in place
[23:29] <sam113101> what's a system compositor?
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> hays: why would you want to run kernel 3.5 on ubuntu 13.10? and you can download kernels and easily install them from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[23:29] <hays> Ari-Yang: oh because wireless is borked on 3.8
[23:29] <hays> its in the backscroll if you are curious
[23:29] <Ari-Yang> hays: I thought ubuntu 13.10 runs on kernel 3.11
[23:31] <hays> Ari-Yang: hmm well 3.8 seems to be where the problem starts
[23:31] <hays> but i was pretty sure the update to 13.10 is when my system started borking.
[23:31] <Ari-Yang> hays: what's the output of uname -r ?
[23:32] <pfifo> sam113101: a compisitor is like a middle man between windows and the X windows system
[23:32] <hays> Ari-Yang: right now im on precise with a raring LTS enablement stack
[23:32] <hays> been trying to locate the problem
[23:32] <sam113101> pfifo: isn't that the job of the window manager?
[23:34] <pfifo> sam113101: a compisitor is the graphical side, windows draw their buttons on a buffer provided by the compisitor, the compisitor draws the buffer where ever the window manager says
[23:35] <pfifo> sam113101: compisitors also enable some neat-o effects like fade in and out
[23:36] <hays> so.. is it advisable to run 13.10 with 3.2 or 3.5 kernel?
[23:37] <hays> just so i get the other shiny things that come along after 12.04 LTS came out
[23:37] <Ari-Yang> hays: what graphics card do you have?
[23:37] <pfifo> hays: the only downside to that is you cant get support for your setup here
[23:37] <hays> Ari-Yang: dunno some intel thing
[23:37] <hays> pfifo: hmm
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> hays: it's up to you I mean look what I'm running
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> Akaigo-Arc 3.11.4-031104-generic x86_64 Description: Ubuntu 12.10 Codename: quantal
[23:38] <minimec> hays: I don't see a problem... http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.5-quantal/
[23:38] <Ari-Yang> hays: you can always switch between kernels too, do whatever you want
[23:38] <hays> Ari-Yang: hmmm maybe I should try that.
[23:38] <hays> running a 3.11 kernel that is
[23:39] <Ari-Yang> hays: you on 64bit?
[23:39] <chris111> so should ftp hang on opening a binary file in ubuntu until the file is succesfully transferred?
[23:39] <pfifo> hays: try as they might, the ubuntu devs can not provide a single kernel that is one size fits all, doing your own kernel is what you need if its really what you need
[23:40] <numberto> can I install ubuntu 13.04 on top of 13.10?
[23:40] <hays> Ari-Yang: yes
[23:40] <numberto> without touching my home directory
[23:40] <Ari-Yang> numberto: wut? why would you want to do that
[23:40] <Ari-Yang> hays: download http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.6-saucy/linux-headers-3.11.6-031106-generic_3.11.6-031106.201310181453_amd64.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.6-saucy/linux-headers-3.11.6-031106_3.11.6-031106.201310181453_all.deb http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.11.6-saucy/linux-image-3.11.6-031106-generic_3.11.6-031106.201310181453_amd64.deb move
[23:40] <Ari-Yang>  it into a folder, open terminal cd into that folder and run sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[23:40] <numberto> Ari-Yang: I got some issues with 13.10
[23:41] <Ari-Yang> hays: after installing those .deb reboot
[23:42] <dak0> Hello, anybody have idea how can I incrase the GPU voltage? All I could find with google is that I need to flash my bios, hope there is another way
[23:43] <Ari-Yang> dak0: what? you mean increase gpu clock?
[23:43] <dak0> Ari-Yang, nope I mean increase the gpu vcore voltage
[23:43] <dak0> Ari-Yang, with the stock voltage i'm limited on the overclocking.
[23:43] <pfifo> that sounds dangerous
[23:44] <quidnunc> How do I find which package contains a binary (or file in general) among packages I don't have installed?
[23:44] <ObrienDave> LOL finally got the "Make Ubuntu look like Win7" fiasco fixed. I won't do that again LMAO
[23:44] <quidnunc> (all packages, including ones I don't have installed)
[23:45] <dak0> pfifo@ there is alot of software for Windows, looks like the only way for Linux is to flash the GPU bios and change the voltage..
[23:45] <ObrienDave> oops, OT, my bad ;)
[23:46] <Ari-Yang> dak0: what graphics card do you have?
[23:46] <dak0> Ari-Yang, can't Overclock more then 15-18% with the stock voltage, Nvidia.
[23:46] <minimec> dak0: There seems to be a solution for AMD https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8451.0
[23:46] <pfifo> dak0: flashing your cards bios sounds like trouble.
[23:47] <dak0> minimec: I found that link too but i have nvidia
[23:47] <hays> Ari-Yang: is this somthing that is semi-recoverable from ? :)
[23:47] <pfifo> dak0: dosent nvidia settings allow you to control that?
[23:48] <CarlFK> quidnunc: http://packages.ubuntu.com  or apt-file someething something (or maybe apt-cache? )
[23:48] <Obi1> heloo
[23:48] <dak0> pfifo, no I can only change the GPU core and Memory speed.
[23:48] <Obi1> i have problem can`t launch IPtraf
[23:48] <Ari-Yang> hays: uuhhh you can uninstall the kernel.... I recommend you set the GRUB menu to show up on boot up in case you need to boot into a previous kernel :|
[23:48] <hays> Ari-Yang: is xorg going to be a problem
[23:48] <Ari-Yang> hays: tbh you should be just fine *shrugs*
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> hays: shouldn't be
[23:49] <Obi1> @Obi1Kenobe:~$ iptraf  IPTraf Version 3.0.0 Copyright (c) Gerard Paul Java 1997-2004l  This program can be run only by the system administrator this is the mesage i getting
[23:49] <kostkon> Obi1, sudo iptraf
[23:49] <hays> Ari-Yang: well im doing this to see if borkage in 3.8 is fixed in 3.11
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> hays: what's the output of lspci | grep VGA ?
[23:49] <Obi1> ok tnx
[23:49] <Ari-Yang> hays: wait what problem do you have again? :|
[23:50] <hays> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[23:50] <dak0> Ari-Yang, pfifo, minimec: anyone have idea how can i possible change the voltage?
[23:50] <Ari-Yang> dak0: nup
[23:50] <hays> Ari-Yang: something messed up with both the broadcom drivers available for my wireless card
[23:50] <hays> introduced between 3.5 an 3.8
[23:50] <Ari-Yang> hays: what ubuntu version are you on?
[23:50] <hays> 12.04 LTS
[23:51] <pfifo> dak0: sorry, no. I dont overclock
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> hays: did you update the kernel yourself, ever?
[23:51] <hays> Ari-Yang: but I'd like to upgrade to 13.10 if possible
[23:51] <Ari-Yang> hays: uh yeah, it is possible for you to upgrade to ubuntu 13.10
[23:51] <hays> Ari-Yang: yeah, I've been doing it based on the LTEEnablementSTack advice
[23:51] <cylex> How do I install Ubuntu + Win8 dual boot.
[23:51] <hays> Ari-Yang: well i don't want to do that if my wireless won't work, so this is a test to see if the 3.11 kernel works
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> hays: do you know that proprietary drivers will break if you upgrade the kernel yourself that hasn't been provided by ubuntu via software updater?
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> cylex, This a W8 oem a uefi setup?
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> hays: you'll have to use DKMS I think to build the driver
[23:52] <cylex> wilee-nilee: dual boot
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> !DKMS > hays
[23:52] <wilee-nilee> cylex, Do you understand the question?
[23:52] <Ari-Yang> hays: why not use the open source driver?
[23:53] <hays> Ari-Yang: that's what it normally uses.. but it appears broken in 3.8
[23:53] <hays> brcmsmac
[23:53] <cylex> wilee-nilee: yes with uefi
[23:53] <Ari-Yang> hays: idk *shrugs* do whatever, good luck
[23:53] <hays> thanks
[23:53] <wilee-nilee> cylex, Then, is there a uefi set up now?
[23:54] <cylex> wilee-nilee: not sure it only runs in legacy mode for me, so far.
[23:54] <wilee-nilee> cylex, Did you install W8?
[23:55] <quidnunc> CarlFK: apt-file, I can never remember the name of that program
[23:55] <quidnunc> CarlFK: thanks
[23:55] <CarlFK> quidnunc: yay :)
[23:55] <hays> holy balls that 3.11 kernel works
[23:56] <wilee-nilee> cylex, uefi and msdos are completely different, and require different install parameters, so this is key information if you want correct info.
[23:58] <cylex> wilee-nilee: so uefi is propietary so it can't be dualbooted.
[23:58] <cylex> right?
[23:58] <wilee-nilee> cylex, No, it is just a different type of install.
[23:58] <hays> if I want to update to 13.10, do I run update-manager -d ?  that seems to push me to update to 14.x
[23:59] <ObrienDave> cylex... yes it can be dual booted.
[23:59] <Ari-Yang> [19:55:53] <hays> holy balls that 3.11 kernel works ---> nice :T
[23:59] <hays> Ari-Yang: so now I want to upgade to whatever ubuntu version has that kernel