[02:10] <Ajacmac> how horribly concerned should I be about a kernel panic after attempting to install xubuntu?
[02:11] <Unit193> Depends upon what caused it, but can't say I get them too often.
[02:11] <Ajacmac> the computer will not boot now, so that's annoying
[02:12] <Ajacmac> kernel panic - not syncing .... drm kms helper panic occurred
[02:12] <Unit193> I'd start checking to see if hardware went bad, thus screwing up Xubuntu/the kernel.
[02:12] <Ajacmac> I'm trying to determine if it's a bad hdd, but I'm not having any luck with ultimate boot cd atm
[02:12] <Ajacmac> none of the hdd checking tools seem to be compatible with the drive, being a seagate drive
[02:13] <Unit193> http://www.seagate.com/support/downloads/item/seatools-dos-master/
[02:14] <Ajacmac> thank you!
[02:15] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:17] <Unit193> Still under warranty by chance?
[02:17] <Ajacmac> nope
[02:17] <Ajacmac> it's one of the first eeepc's
[03:11] <roxx_> hi
[03:26] <ronxx> hi
[03:27] <ronxx> hi
[03:27] <ronxx> is anyonehere?
[03:28] <ronxx> Anyone know what this problem is?    Since I updated to xubuntu 13.10 (on 3 machines) when I create files or directories locally on a machine the permissions are u+rwx,go+rx instead of ug+rwx,o+rx. This is true both on the command line (bash) and file manager (Thunar). BUT: when I login remotely using ssh, and create files or directories, the permissions seem to work fine, i.e. ug+rwx,o+rx. Is there a bug in xubuntu 13.10 that causes the OS to ig
[03:29] <ronxx> hi!
[03:32] <ruien> ronxx: what's your umask setting in the terminal and also in ssh?
[03:33] <ronxx> the umask is as follows: file   /etc/login.defs :   UMASK    022  ;    and    USERGROUPS_ENAB yes
[03:33] <ronxx> file   /etc/pam.d/common-session :     session optional   pam_umask.so
[03:34] <ronxx> is that what you are asking?
[03:34] <ruien> well, if (in bash) you type "umask", you get "022" regardless of whether this is the local terminal or remote ssh connection?
[03:35] <ronxx> in bash (local) I get 022, and ssh, i will tell you in a minute
[03:35] <ronxx> when I ssh, it's 002
[03:36] <ruien> okay, that's the reason then, so the question is why the umask is different. The OS is working correctly based on that umask value.
[03:36] <ronxx> the files I referred to above are supposed to over-ride the 022 and change it to 002, i.e. the
[03:38] <ronxx> setting USERGROUPS_ENAB yes  is supposed to change that to  0002 when the user and group are the same (or so the comments in the file  etc/login.defile etc/login.defs   say)
[03:39] <ruien> but is the bash profile that's being run when you log in via SSH overriding the umask? that's pretty much the last thing that's being run. In other words, sort of what's described here: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Umask
[03:41] <ruien> hm, i guess i'm not sure, seems it really should be respecting /etc/login.defs
[03:41] <ronxx> the file ~/.profile does NOT override. But the other thing is, the file manager (Thunar) does the same, i.e. does NOT give the group file permissions upon creation
[03:42] <ruien> have you confirmed that this exists in SSH even with a non-login shell, as well as a login shell?
[03:43] <ronxx> I am not sure what is a login shell and what is a non-login shell...
[03:45] <ruien> this is the difference between ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc , and you can execute different ones using "su" with and without " - ", for example "sudo su - foo" vs "sudo su foo"
[03:47] <ronxx> I don't have ~/.bash_profile files, only ~/.bashrc and ~/.profile. I will tell you in a minute what is in each of them, if anything, for umask...
[03:49] <ronxx> in .bashrc: no reference at all to umask;   in .profile, the line is a comment, i.e. the line is: #umask 022
[03:49] <ronxx> it's the same on all 3 machines I use
[03:56] <kingbeowolf> how can i add the appmenu to a panel?
[03:56] <kingbeowolf> and how can i install AWN?
[03:57] <kingbeowolf> this appmenu http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[03:59] <ruien> ronxx: not sure what to tell you, I normally just set the umask explicitly in ~/.bashrc, and i usually source ~/.bashrc from ~/.bash_profile
[04:11] <Gerowen> Is there a command to temporarily suspend the screensaver function?  When I play games that use my controller, and no input is received via the mouse/keyboard, the screensaver randomly kicks me out, so I'd like to be able to script a screensaver suspension in with the scripts that start my games.
[04:13] <Unit193> xscreensaver-command -exit   then   xscreensaver -no-splash&
[04:14] <kingbeowolf> Gerowen: good idea
[04:14] <kingbeowolf> Gerowen: need something like that when actively watching videos as well
[04:15] <Unit193> VLC prevents it from happening.
[04:27] <Gerowen> Unit193: Thanks for getting back to me, so in order to restore the screensaver to normal operation, I would just kill the xscreensaver -no-splash that I started, correct?
[04:28] <Unit193> Gerowen: The "xscreensaver -no-splash &" *was* to start it back.
[04:29] <Gerowen> Unit193: Oh ok, I was reading the arguments for xscreensaver-command -exit, and from the way it worded the description of the "-exit", it just simulated user input, and would still kick in after a few minutes.  Thanks, :-)
[06:13] <ronsonol> Need to report a bug resulting in a crash that simply logs user out.  Prefer reporting manually on Launchpad, but want to assure data collected about the correct event.  Any tips?
[06:14] <cfhowlett> !bug
[06:17] <ronsonol> Alright, I have stuff to go blow up.
[07:18] <Callan79> Hi all, just popped in during xubuntu install (traditional ubuntu user, looking for lighter system for my netbook)
[07:19] <ObrienDave> welcome Callan79
[07:20] <Callan79> hi ObrienDave
[07:20] <Callan79> I'm interested to learn opinions as to whether xubuntu users typically also install the ubuntu-desktop package, or not ?
[07:20] <elfy> I certainly don't :)
[07:20] <Callan79> I wasn't intending to, unless there is a good reason to
[07:21] <Callan79> good to know, cheers :-)
[07:21] <ObrienDave> not if you want to keep the lighter system
[07:21] <Callan79> yeah, that's my aim
[07:22] <ObrienDave> you'll be happy with Xubuntu. we are
[07:22] <elfy> Callan79: I came fulltime to xubuntu in 11.04 when unity was the way it was going - not looked back since
[07:22] <Callan79> I'm familiar with the system, I've been using Ubuntu for a while but Unity is just getting way too slow on this machine
[07:22] <ObrienDave> it's the same system except for the DE
[07:24] <Callan79> excellent, sounds like I'm not alone then LOL
[07:24] <ObrienDave> I never liked Unity anyway. I'm an old DOS guy and don't see the need for eye candy
[07:25] <Callan79> I'll probably move my desktop to this aswell. I did check out Xubuntu a few years ago, it was quite plain, but this latest one is very pretty and smooth - impressed
[07:26] <ObrienDave> like elfy, once I made the switch to Xubuntu, I never looked back
[07:26] <ObrienDave> I've tried most Debian based systems, I keep coming back to Xubuntu
[08:06] <remildo_> buon giorno
[08:06] <bazhang> !it
[08:06] <remildo_> che dite, mi consigliate xubuntu per un aspire 5930G
[08:06] <remildo_> oooh sorri
[08:07] <remildo_> im sorry i dont undestand that here is allowed to speak english
[08:20] <cfhowlett> xaralx is a recommended package for UbuntuStudio?  Hasn't been touched since 2008?!!!!!
[08:24] <ruien> xara's good but i wish xaralx would get updates :(
[08:24] <cfhowlett> ruien, it's a dead project which prompted my question ...
[08:25] <ruien> yeah, i actually use xara so i wish it wasn't a dead project. But your question is completely valid.
[08:25] <cfhowlett> and I'm in the wrong channel
[09:00] <lameroid> О класно
[09:00] <lameroid> здравствуйте господа, кто- то живой есть?
[09:00] <lameroid> хелп ми плиз
[09:00] <cfhowlett> !ru|lameroid,
[09:00] <baizon> damn to slow :>
[09:03] <lameroid> help concerning the xubuntu 13.04 installation
[09:03] <lameroid> libng error:Read Error [13.295132] Kernel panic - not suncing: Attemped to killinit! exitcode=0x00000100 [13.295132] [13.295166] drm_kms_helper: panic occured, switching back to text console
[09:04] <lameroid> what with it to do?
[09:14] <lameroid> who - that knows?
[09:15] <cfhowlett> lameroid, too quiet here.  give these details and your query in #ubuntu.
[11:50] <Sappy> Hello, I have problem with xubuntu and flashplayer. http://postimg.org/image/m4n1hg7kb/ (1) How it looks, (2) how it should look.
[11:52] <ObrienDave> which browser are you using?
[11:53] <knome> Sappy, try disabling hardware acceleration from the flash right-click menu
[12:11] <xubuntu689> Hi, could somebody please help me with grub error ? Thanks.
[12:12] <ObrienDave> what grub error?
[12:14] <ObrienDave> pfffft, bed time
[12:15] <xubuntu689> I'll describe my situation... I have 2 HDD: internal with W7, and USB external with NTFS part. for data/backup. I reduced NTFS partition to have free space to install Xubuntu. But when I installed it, the grub crashed and this appeared: "No such partition, Grub rescue".
[12:49] <honza_> Hi
[12:50] <cfhowlett> honza
[12:50] <cfhowlett> greetings
[12:50] <honza_> this is international channel, isn't it?
[12:50] <honza_> greetings cfhowlett
[12:51] <knome> !english | honza_
[12:53] <honza_> ok, i'll try to describe my problem in english :D
[12:53] <honza_> I'll describe my situation... I have 2 HDD: internal with W7, and USB external with NTFS part. for data/backup. I reduced NTFS partition to have free space to install Xubuntu. But when I installed it, the grub crashed and this appeared: "No such partition, Grub rescue".
[12:54] <knome> honza_, or you can tell us what your native language is and we can point you to a channel with that language
[12:54] <knome> (if you're more comfortable with that)
[12:55] <honza_> knome: thanks, but i have no problem :-)
[12:55] <knome> ok, i have to go; good luck with yout problem
[12:56] <honza_> knome: thanks
[13:00] <tempask> hi chan, i'm using Xubuntu 13.10. I already tried the xfce built in GUI config tools, disabled screensaver, did some power management config and even created Xorg.conf with "ServerFlags" "BlankTime" set to "0". None of that satisfied my goal to have the display always on. How do i configure the power management to _not_ turn off the display?
[13:04] <honza_> Can somebody please help me with...? I'll describe my situation... I have 2 HDD: internal with W7, and USB external with NTFS part. for data/backup. I reduced NTFS partition to have free space to install Xubuntu. But when I installed it, the grub crashed and this appeared: "No such partition, Grub rescue".
[13:05] <GridCube> honza_, is your machine UEFI or BIOS?
[13:05] <honza_> Grid: BIOS
[13:05] <GridCube> s/is/has/
[13:06] <GridCube> mmm
[13:06] <GridCube> honza_, try again
[13:06] <honza_> GridCube: How you whisper? I have BIOS
[13:07] <GridCube> honza_, its better to use the main channel that private messages
[13:07] <GridCube> and in any case its "/msg nick"
[13:07] <GridCube> honza_, your grub settings might not have been installed in the proper medium
[13:08] <GridCube> i would recommend you to reboot using another medium and use boot-repair to set the proper grub in the proper places pointing at the proper partitions
[13:14] <honza_> GridCube: so i need to reinstall grub via live usb?
[13:15] <GridCube> that is probably the fastest route i know
[13:16] <honza_> may pc boots from sdb1 as first partition, not from sdb2, where is boot?
[13:18] <GridCube> honza_, it will usually end on sda
[13:18] <GridCube> unless you do something to change that
[13:20] <honza_> I've installed  grub on sdb, not sda and I boot from external hdd directly (boot option - one time boot)
[13:22] <GridCube> oh ok
[13:22] <GridCube> i don't know then
[13:24] <honza_> oh, i think that i made a mistake... maybe it's not "no such partition", but "unknown filesystem"...
[13:36] <honza_> thanks for help, I'll try several solutions, that i found (supergrubdisk, format whole HDD and so on...) Thank You very much, and Bye ;-)
[15:13] <slipp3d> anyone having luck with connecting a blue tooth headset and having it work?
[15:21] <holstein> slipp3d: i have used bt
[15:21] <holstein> !bluetooth
[15:22] <kingbeowolf> can some one help me with this http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[15:22] <holstein> kingbeowolf: are you running pinguyos?
[15:22] <kingbeowolf> no
[15:25] <slipp3d> holstein, your kidding right ... in 12.10 I have to manually configure the config files for bluetooth headsets to work?
[15:27] <holstein> slipp3d: you are using 12.10?
[15:27] <holstein> !12.10
[15:29] <kingbeowolf> slipp3d: i think xubuntu is struggling for help
[15:29] <slipp3d> yes i'm using 12.10 ... that link that you sent me to was how to configure bluetooth via config files
[15:30] <slipp3d> kingbeowolf, I'm starting to think the same thing ...
[15:30] <holstein> kingbeowolf: xubuntu is ubuntu.. its a smaller team than the main one, but its quite strong
[15:31] <kingbeowolf> holstein: the 13.10 release had a lot of bugs and not really any improvments
[15:31] <holstein> kingbeowolf: you are free to run the 12.04 version is you prefer
[15:32] <holstein> kingbeowolf: do you have a support question? if not, visit the offtopic channel for chat.. thanks
[15:32] <kingbeowolf> holstein: i am free to do what ever i like if i prefer.. dont get all snippy about it
[15:32] <kingbeowolf> where is the bug tracker?
[15:33] <holstein> slipp3d: i refered to that link i gave, and was able to get BT configured. but, this was a different release.. 12.04, and i dont have the particular hardware anymore
[15:33] <holstein> !bug
[15:34] <kingbeowolf> i dont want to report a bug i want to read them
[15:34] <GridCube> !launchpad
[15:34] <xubuntu462> hello, I've installed Ubuntu 13.10 then xubuntu. I am unable to have compiz with xubuntu. Unity plugin cannot be unset
[15:35] <kingbeowolf> !thanks
[15:37] <kingbeowolf> can some one help me with this http://forum.pinguyos.com/Thread-How-to-customize-Xfce-4-10
[15:38] <kingbeowolf> i think a universal menu work be awesome
[15:38] <kingbeowolf> but i cant get it working
[15:38] <kingbeowolf> getting xfce to look like this would be awesome http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php/Orta?content=134123
[15:38] <kingbeowolf> i also cant install AWN in 13.10
[15:39] <kingbeowolf> is it not being maintained any more?  their site was down
[15:39] <GridCube> kingbeowolf, any of those desktops seem very doable
[15:40] <kingbeowolf> GridCube: im just getting into xfce so its all new to me
[15:40] <kingbeowolf> GridCube: it is running better then Unity with less program crashes
[15:41] <GridCube> kingbeowolf, just download the themes, install them and then choose them on the settings, you have the main theme settings and the window decoration settings, you can install any program like awn just from the USC
[15:41] <kingbeowolf> GridCube: what is USC?
[15:42] <kingbeowolf> ubuntu software center?
[15:42] <kingbeowolf> i am on 13.10 and AWN doesn't show up
[15:43] <elfy> kingbeowolf: as far as I know last version it was available on was 12.04
[15:43] <elfy> in the repos that is
[15:44] <kingbeowolf> i looked at launchpad and it hasn't been updated and the site is down
[15:44] <kingbeowolf> so xubuntu people dont update to the newest release?
[15:45] <elfy> kingbeowolf: look on packages.ubuntu.com - it's not not available in repos to Xubuntu - it's not available to *buntu
[15:45] <elfy> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=avant&suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names
[15:47] <kingbeowolf> so...what do you do when this happens?
[15:49] <xubuntu462> hello ! Do you confirm that compiz cannot be used with xubuntu 13.10 ?
[15:49] <kingbeowolf> is compiz the compositor?
[15:49] <kingbeowolf> because if it is it works
[15:50] <xubuntu462> compiz --replace bring me Unity
[15:51] <kingbeowolf> xubuntu462: do you have the settings manager?
[15:51] <kingbeowolf> i just click on window manager tweaks and then go to compositor tab
[15:52] <xubuntu462> yes I can set a lot of thing with ccsm ... then reboot and here is Unity again
[15:52] <kingbeowolf> then click enable display
[15:52] <elfy> compiz is not the the compositor xubuntu uses
[15:52] <elfy> compiz isn't installed with xubuntu
[15:52] <kingbeowolf> that explains it
[15:52] <xubuntu462> so compiz could not be use anymore
[15:54] <GridCube> it shouldnt
[15:54] <GridCube> you can try to figure out how to use it tho
[15:54] <GridCube> !compiz
[15:54] <GridCube> but its not recommended
[15:54] <elfy> xubuntu462: I think that people have managed in the recent past - but I can't say more than that I'm afraid - I didn't ever use compiz with ubuntu
[15:55] <xubuntu462> Yes this page is not working with 13.10
[16:11] <gdos> synaptic crashed during an installation. how do i rerun the installtion process? is it 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure --a' ?
[16:58] <genii> gdos: Try first sudo apt-get -f install
[17:01] <gdos> genii: just like 'musica' the following package would not install properly 'nescc' so now i have a broken package which i can neither re-install nor purge.
[17:07] <gdos> ok that command 'sudo apt-get -f install' is crashing everything. i just submitted 20 bug reports.
[17:08] <TheSheep> gdos: make sure you have free disk space
[17:09] <gdos> TheSheep: of a 300G hard drive, i'm only using <20%
[17:09] <TheSheep> gdos: for the home, but what about the root partition?
[17:10] <gdos> <50%
[17:10] <gdos> that's <50% used.
[17:15] <dunpeal> Hi. Is there a way to get a list of all keyboard key names, so I can use them for custom shortcuts?
[17:15] <dunpeal> For example, KP_Page_Up
[18:33] <Sappy_>  Hello, I have problem with xubuntu and flashplayer. http://postimg.org/image/m4n1hg7kb/ (1) How it looks, (2) how it should look.
[18:40] <Unit193> Sappy_: Heh, you have an older intel that's using 16bit graphics.
[18:42] <Unit193> Sappy_: Drop http://paste.openstack.org/show/uZLRIlVRt7SGoj79M7eT in at /etc/X11/xorg.conf, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173649
[19:34] <xubuntu953> Hi. This is the first time I get in here, and I need some help about how can I errase the ".trash" file I have in my external hard disk or pen drives?
[20:05] <manuel> hi! can someone tell me why my xfce4 desktop looks different on local display compared to a xrdb session? (ie. icons are misseng and many other settings seem to be different...)
[20:06] <manuel> xu 13.10 and I have already asked google :-)
[20:06] <Unit193> xrdb, does this start a new session?
[20:11] <manuel> yes, its a complete different desktop - which is ok - but I'd like to have the same icon theme on the xrdp sessen as local
[20:12] <Unit193> How do you call it?  OK, so I've been testing a little, and I'm pretty sure it's not complete, but what happens if you drop http://paste.openstack.org/show/D7VimGKTgkzsPeiNxiEX in ~/.xinitrc and call  startx  in whatever session?
[20:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> manuel, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1899111
[20:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> See if that post helps you.
[20:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Though it is geared towards Gnome 2d, I'm sure it can be adapted
[20:14] <Unit193> Aaaah, so it's not calling it like NX does.
[20:14] <Unit193> Bummer.
[20:51] <ptnx> Hi - anyone else having trouble with the Log Out menu option?
[20:51] <ptnx> In 13.10?
[20:52] <elfy> ptnx: does it 'loop' ?
[20:53] <ptnx> System gets bogged down
[20:53] <ptnx> Before the menu with restart/shutdown, etc shows
[20:55] <elfy> ptnx: not sure what you mean to be honest - there can be an issue with systemd-shim
[20:55] <elfy> bug 1221809
[20:56] <ptnx> I don't think that;s it
[20:56] <elfy> you could see if you have it installed - run this in a terminal dpkg -l systemd-shim
[20:57] <elfy> if it doesn't show it installed - try doing so
[20:57] <ptnx> looks like it's there
[20:57] <ptnx> What happens is Xorg maxes out the cpu
[20:57] <elfy> not sure then I'm afraid - sorry
[20:57] <ptnx> ok - thx anyway
[20:58] <Unit193> Can you pull up a TTY or ssh in from another computer to check it out?
[20:58] <elfy> oh - might be a graphics card issue perhaps - at the end of a long day here - someone will comment I expect
[20:58] <TaoLi> after 13.10 update, i lost pulseaudio control from my top task bar, the speaker icon now does nothing, can someone help?
[20:58] <elfy> bug 1208204
[20:58] <ptnx> interesting, i have had issues with graphics driver since upgrading. will look into that more
[20:59] <elfy> TaoLi: ^^ bug up there - and it's mentioned on the release notes
[21:04] <TaoLi> thanks guys, there is a workaround mentioned there. all is well.
[21:13] <phoo> I installed a different sound control applet and it works fine.
[21:13] <phoo> volti
[21:13] <phoo> TaoLi: check out volti
[21:26] <TaoLi> phoo thanks volti is pretty cool, and in python, but just checked out the source don't know whats going on LOL
[21:33] <peyam> hi
[21:34] <peyam> isn't
[21:34] <peyam> isn't 1a32-libs available in xubuntu 13.10?
[21:40] <peyam> knome: are you there?
[21:47] <knome> peyam, yes?
[21:47] <peyam> yes it is included
[21:47] <peyam> sorry
[21:47] <peyam> one more thing
[21:48] <peyam> it is not possible to make menus in the "Main Menu" option
[21:54] <knome> peyam, please stop from asking support questions from anyone specifically; people in the channel will either answer or not
[21:55] <peyam> so why doenst it work?
[22:02] <TheSheep> peyam: maybe you need to ask better questions :)
[22:02] <peyam> TheSheep: The question is why "new menu" in "main menu" option in the setting manager doesnt work
[22:25] <CypherPunk39> Hello all
[22:33] <ran_> hi
[22:34] <ran_> i have a question. there is any known problem about the update notifier icon?
[22:35] <ran_> i am using 13.10.
[22:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> I haven't noticed an issue. What have you noticed?
[22:39] <ran_> Poisoned_Dragon, i think that its not shown when there is an update.
[22:40] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh... I'm impatient. I update with synaptic. :)
[22:41] <ran_> because there is a problem with the pulse-audio volume, because its gtk3.
[22:42] <brainwash> no, it's still gtk2, the issue is related to dbus
[22:42] <brainwash> gtk3 indicators don't get displayed at all
[22:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is that the glitch where your sound indicator doesn't work?
[22:43] <evolvex> Evening everyone, I've upgraded a VM install of Xubuntu to 13.10, now  Im getting a blackscreen on startup.... is this a common problem?
[22:44] <brainwash> ran_: and regarding the update notifier, not sure, but it might be intended, that only a window popups
[22:46] <ran_> brainwash thanks. because until now i did not see the notifier icon.
[22:46] <brainwash> ran_: same here
[22:48] <ran_> i hope that there is an icon because its more conviniant than sudden pop-up window.
[22:48] <ran_> sorry about my english.
[22:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> I've seen far worse
[22:54] <ran_> anyone also notice that synaptic crushes if onboard (virtual keyboard) is loaded?
[22:55] <ran_> if onboard is not loaded everything seems fine.
[22:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> I never used the virtual kb
[22:56] <ran_> its a strange problem.
[22:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't even know there was one
[22:58] <ran_> sometimes i using onboard (very good virtual keyboard), and synaptic crushes when it loaded.
[22:59] <Poisoned_Dragon> where do you get it from?
[23:00] <ran_> it comes with xubuntu (if im not wrong)
[23:00] <ran_> on accessories
[23:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm using Ubuntu Studio.
[23:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, I might have to install it
[23:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> is it called onboard?
[23:03] <ran_> yes
[23:04] <Poisoned_Dragon> installing now
[23:06] <Poisoned_Dragon> it's running fine for me
[23:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> using it now
[23:07] <ran_> with synaptic?
[23:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> oh hey
[23:07] <Poisoned_Dragon> it just hung
[23:08] <ran_> synaptic hungs?
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> It hangs. I had to force it closed.
[23:08] <ran_> or onboard hungs?
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just synaptic
[23:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> onboard still worked
[23:09] <ran_> so there is a problem
[23:11] <ran_> its interesting what causes this problem with onboard and synaptic, because on anything else there is no problem with it.
[23:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> now synaptic won't reload properly because onboard is in memory
[23:12] <ran_> yes this is exactly the problem
[23:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Ah.... Sounds like you need to fill out a bug report.
[23:12] <ran_> yes but dont know how to do it
[23:13] <ran_> and my english is not perfect.
[23:14] <dont-panic> ran_: your english is better than most people
[23:15] <ran_> i know my english is in a good level, but its not perfect.
[23:16] <brainwash> you don't need perfect english to file a bug report :)
[23:17] <ran_> so how i do it?
[23:17] <brainwash> did you already start synaptic inside a terminal window? it might print some error message(s)
[23:18] <brainwash> run "ubuntu-bug synaptic"
[23:19] <ran_> i will try that.
[23:19] <ran_> it says: GtkNotebook 0x19cb590 is mapped but visible child GtkLabel 0x1a56610 is not mapped
[23:20] <ran_> full: (synaptic:14217): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkNotebook 0x19cb590 is mapped but visible child GtkLabel 0x1a56610 is not mapped
[23:21] <brainwash> bug 1235846
[23:25] <ran_> synaptic hungs only if onboard is in memory. otherwise its working OK.
[23:27] <ran_> i tested synaptic with another virtual keyboard (florence) and synaptic hungs again.
[23:27] <brainwash> try "NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 synaptic" from a terminal window
[23:28] <brainwash> or is it synaptic-pkexec?
[23:28] <ran_> so there is a problem with virtual keyboards and synaptic
[23:29] <brainwash> it's synaptic-pkexec
[23:29] <brainwash> so "NO_AT_BRIDGE=1 synaptic-pkexec"
[23:30] <brainwash> we are just gathering some information right now, you'll have to file the report
[23:30] <ran_> but i dont know how to do that
[23:31] <brainwash> run "ubuntu-bug synaptic"
[23:32] <ran_> ok
[23:32] <ran_> run it. now what i do
[23:34] <brainwash> didn't a dialog window popup?
[23:34] <ran_> yes
[23:35] <brainwash> so continue the bug report process
[23:35] <ran_> now im in launchpad
[23:35] <ran_> and i dont have an account
[23:35] <brainwash> you can create one
[23:36] <brainwash> It's pretty handy to have one if you use Ubuntu
[23:36] <ran_> ok. i will create account
[23:36] <ran_> one moment
[23:41] <brainwash> ran_: this wiki article might be helpful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Non-crash_hardware_and_desktop_application_bugs
[23:42] <brainwash> it describes the process with all the details
[23:43] <ran_> ok, i have logged in to launchpad
[23:44] <ran_> now what to do\
[23:48] <brainwash> please read the linked article
[23:53] <ran_> now im reporting the bug
[23:56] <brainwash> thanks for reporting it :)
[23:58] <ran_> thanks for helping.