[02:02] <ahoneybun> hello all
[02:18] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[02:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I think I saw it got accepted already.  Thanks.
[02:20] <ScottK> agateau: Are you still interested in massif-visualizer?  If so, bug 1244261needs dealing with or it will go away.
[04:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: I think massif-vis can be built without kgraphviewer
[05:29] <ScottK> OK.
[06:04] <soee> good morning
[06:15] <apachelogger> kde bug 325004
[06:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where are we with muon sru?
[06:22]  * apachelogger would like to inform everyone that not everything that sounds like it has to do with mail should go into the kmail package
[06:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: are we merging with experimental or unstable?
[06:23]  * apachelogger seems to recall that LTS gets experimental
[06:24] <apachelogger> bug 1214644
[06:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: Muon is in -proposed, verified, and waiting for the 7 day timer.
[06:35] <apachelogger> groovy
[06:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: update trello plz :@
[06:35] <ScottK> For KDE stuff, merge the latest Debian KDE (which is KDE 4.11.2 in Experimental), in general use Unstable though.
[06:35] <ScottK> BTW, print screen works fine here.
[06:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Still need someone to verify the KTP SRU on raring.
[06:38] <apachelogger> doesn't have a card, that SRU does not exist for me ..... 
[06:38] <ScottK> plz make then.
[06:39]  * ScottK must sleep.  Alarm goes off in 4 hours and 46 minutes.
[06:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: nite
[06:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please make KTP SRU card :P
[06:39] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:40] <ScottK> He should maybe be minion again.  Seems like he needs the supervision and guiding.
[06:42] <apachelogger> the NSA broke phonon :O
[06:49] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1243733] PrtScrn button does not produce screenshot in kubuntu saucy @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1243733 (by Sergio Callegari)
[06:52] <yossarianuk> how come (k)ubuntu now defaults to the deadline scheduler ?
[06:52] <yossarianuk> I thought CFQ was the better desktop one.
[06:53] <Tm_T> yossarianuk: AFAIK Kubuntu has nothing to do with kernel scheduler
[06:53] <Tm_T> also I doubt Ubuntu differs from vanilla kernel on that
[06:54] <yossarianuk> Vanilla the default is CFQ (as it is in opensuse, Fedora, Centos)
[06:57] <yossarianuk> Kubuntu could change the setting in the kubuntu-default-settings package - would work better for desktops then....
[07:07] <apachelogger> Tm_T: IIRC ubuntu uses deadline because cfq had serious starvation problems ~lucid
[07:08] <Tm_T> apachelogger: aah good to know
[07:09] <apachelogger> that being said I think it was a back and forth between cfq and deadline for like 4 releases ;)
[07:09] <Tm_T> but yeah, I believe this should be primarily done in Ubuntu-wide unless there's some good reason we and only we need to change it
[07:09] <apachelogger> right
[07:09] <apachelogger> besides we have no kernel people so couldn't make that call anyway xD
[07:27] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:46] <agateau> ScottK: don't think I have time for massif-visualizer unfortunately
[07:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1243627
[07:52] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1243733] PrtScrn button does not produce screenshot in kubuntu saucy @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1243733 (by Sergio Callegari)
[07:55] <valorie> hmmm, printscreen button doesn't work for me, either
[07:55] <valorie> not that I ever used it much, but it used to work
[07:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: merge with experimental I'd say since it has kde sc 4.11 which is what we're interested in
[08:04] <valorie> but I just read all the bug reports, and mine is correct in systemsettings
[08:04] <valorie> just doesn't work
[08:16] <jussi> so, battery is borked now. almost brand new battery, would suprise me if its a HW problem. this is the second PC its happened on, so I think perhaps its a bug somewhere :/
[08:42] <apachelogger> jussi: ?
[08:43] <jussi> apachelogger: the battery monitor now says it is at 0%, not charging (and I am connected to the power).
[08:44] <valorie> if you unplug, does the computer die
[08:44] <jussi> heh, now plugging and unplugging has made it disappear. 
[08:44] <jussi> valorie: no
[08:44] <jussi> its just being weird, usually after suspend
[08:44] <yofel> does 'acpi -V' agree on the battery level?
[08:45] <jussi> yofel: ack to normal now, lets see next time it happens
[08:45] <yofel> upower is rather unreliable here too (yesterday I was at 100% all the time nevermind dis-/charging)
[08:45] <jussi> although now I am plugged in at 97% and "not charging"
[08:45] <apachelogger> bug 1240673
[08:45] <apachelogger> may be related
[08:46] <jussi> apachelogger: yes, I guess so
[08:46] <jussi> oh, and my caps lock light is backwards :/
[08:46] <yofel> ack, let's install that
[08:48] <jussi> argh, definately not enabling proposed on this work machine :/
[08:48] <yofel> enable it, installer upower, disable?
[08:49] <yofel> on second thought, I'll wait until it breaks here again
[08:52] <jussi> I guess I just have to wait until it gets sru'ed/into updates etc
[08:55] <valorie> quite a few successful testcases, so we can hope it will happen soon
[08:59] <apachelogger> soon <= 7 days
[09:12] <jussi> hrm, I wonder if we got an update for kdeconnect yet... 
[09:12]  * jussi checks bug
[09:13]  * apachelogger is very glad that he does not have to figure out when the meeting is today or yesterday or tomorrow or now
[09:17] <jussi> nope, nothing there... yet...
[09:31] <yossarianuk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1242417 - so has the grub update been added to 'normal' updates now?
[09:38] <apachelogger> no
[09:45] <yossarianuk> ok
[09:45] <yossarianuk> when status is 'fix-released' does that mean its in normal updates ?
[09:46] <yofel> yossarianuk: status fix release is only for the development release
[09:46] <yofel> 13.10 is fix committed
[09:46] <yossarianuk> cool - thanks
[09:46] <yofel> once it's in -updates it'll be fix released
[10:07] <shadeslayer> morning
[10:08] <shadeslayer> jussi: I could ask afiestas 
[10:08] <shadeslayer> regarding kdeconnect
[10:08] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, please
[10:08] <shadeslayer> will asl
[10:08] <shadeslayer> *ask
[10:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you delete the 13.04 board
[10:16] <apachelogger> yes
[10:16] <apachelogger> read your mails
[10:16] <apachelogger> kthxbai
[10:18] <shadeslayer> bleh
[10:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so where do you want the KTP SRU card then
[10:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's for raring?
[10:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[10:20] <shadeslayer> yes
[10:20] <apachelogger> oO
[10:20] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-common-internals/0.6.3-0ubuntu0.1
[10:21] <apachelogger> ETOOMANYRESOURCESSPENTONDATEDRELEASES
[10:21] <shadeslayer> ENOTENOUGHPEOPLE
[10:22] <debfx> ETOOMUCHCAPSANDNOSPACES
[10:22] <jussi> shadeslayer: there are enough people, just not enough *skilled* people
[10:22] <shadeslayer> I blame d_ed for this
[10:22] <shadeslayer> he made english breakfast
[10:22] <shadeslayer> and I am so sleepy now
[10:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: I didn't realize testing packages from -proposed required skills :D
[10:23] <jussi> shadeslayer: d_ed can be blamed for everything. meg. he isnt here, therefore everything is wrong!
[10:23] <shadeslayer> jussi: I heard he switched to Arch
[10:23] <jussi> Unacceptable! :P
[10:26] <apachelogger> surely afiestas is to blame
[10:27] <jussi> apachelogger: probably, but d_ed is our scapegoat :P
[10:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the problem is that it will be hard to find someone to test on raring because no one runs raring because raring is dead
[10:27] <shadeslayer> is the 9 month cycle over already?
[10:27] <shadeslayer> We still have 3 months of support don't we
[10:28] <apachelogger> yes, and you are pushing a new KTP
[10:28] <apachelogger> which IMHO is too much for 3 months of support
[10:29] <shadeslayer> meh, might test it when I have some time
[10:29] <apachelogger> yess
[10:29] <apachelogger> FWIW I do not even have a raring anymore, and I used to have raring until last weekend :P
[10:29] <apachelogger> that's how pointless raring is now :P
[10:29] <shadeslayer> mhmm
[10:30] <shadeslayer> how do the British get any work done after eating a English Breakfast -.-
[10:30] <jussi> shadeslayer: dont you know, that is just the crap they feed tourists :P 
[10:30] <jussi> or maybe you need to just drink some tea
[10:31] <afiestas> apachelogger: ?
[10:31] <apachelogger> MOAR TEEEEAA
[10:31] <shadeslayer> teaaaaaaa
[10:31] <jussi> oooh, hello afiestas!!!
[10:31] <apachelogger> afiestas: you stole my david
[10:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: order cookie
[10:31]  * kubotu slides one of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[10:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't know, you'd have to ask an English person
[10:31] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1244580] Impossible to change localization settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244580 (by Petr Svoboda)
[10:32] <shadeslayer> I see what you did there
[10:32] <apachelogger> actually you did that too yourself mate
[10:33] <shadeslayer> :>
[10:34] <apachelogger> is it weekend already?
[10:34] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain I can call it day... phonon segfaults now :O
[10:36] <yossarianuk> what's in the cookie.....
[10:36] <shadeslayer> omg
[10:36] <shadeslayer> it's Friday \o/
[10:36] <shadeslayer> almost weekend
[10:37] <jussi> shadeslayer: :D :D :D :D
[10:37] <soee> 2,5 hour left to finish todays work
[10:38] <jussi> soee: ssssshhhhhhhhhhh
[11:01] <Riddell> starbuck1: remind me where the kubuntu blog you were setting up got to?
[11:24] <starbuck1> Riddell: if you want kubuntu gossip, we can actually do that
[11:25] <Peace-> ah
[11:25] <Riddell> starbuck1: go for it :)
[11:27] <shadeslayer> kubotu: np
[11:27] <shadeslayer> broken :(
[11:28] <shadeslayer> kubotu: spotify I am The doctor
[11:28] <kubotu> Murray Gold – I Am The Doctor [Doctor Who: Series 5, 2010] — http://open.spotify.com/track/1gDJQKYYyQvGjCvvWwSXi5
[11:28] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:31] <mamarley> ScottK: I implemented most of the suggestions here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/1244036
[11:32] <mamarley> I didn't change it to "static-network-up" though because that wouldn't trigger on network interfaces configured by network-manager.
[11:44] <debfx> mamarley: while you're at it could you improve it to set default values for $LOGLEVEL and $PORT?
[11:45] <mamarley> debfx: Those are set in /etc/default/quasselcore
[11:46] <debfx> mamarley: yes, but then there is no point in checking if it exists
[11:47] <debfx> (the default file)
[11:47] <mamarley> I guess you're right.
[11:48] <debfx> imho it is better to have default values in case someone comments the variables
[11:50] <mamarley> So, set the variables first in the Upstart script, then load the defaults file?
[11:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apachelogger we still have to take a decision on plasma-nm and libnm-qt
[11:53] <ScottK> mamarley: I'm about to vanish offline for the next 12 hours or so.  I'll try and look at it over the weekend.
[11:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: apachelogger told you to look into some stuff, have you and what did you find out?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ktp? 
[11:54] <ScottK> That too, but on NM he did a review and had comments for you.
[11:55] <shadeslayer> right, and then he said that not renaming it to the old one would still preserve translations
[11:55] <shadeslayer> to that I reply
[11:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: talk to jgulrich?
[11:55] <shadeslayer> *jgulich
[11:57] <ScottK> So I didn't hear back from you on that.
[11:57]  * ScottK has to go.
[12:01] <debfx> mamarley: yep, that should work
[12:02] <mamarley> OK, I will implement those changes.
[12:02] <debfx> thanks
[12:40] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1244580] Impossible to change localization settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1244580 (by Petr Svoboda)
[13:24] <ScottK> debfx: Can you upload quassel with the upstart init?
[13:26] <debfx> launchpad says I can ;)
[13:32] <ScottK> Would you?
[13:36] <debfx> not now, probably tomorrow
[13:45] <ScottK> thanks
[15:02] <soee>  do we have some plasmoid for twitter bootstrap
[15:02] <soee> or other app?
[15:02] <soee> ahh sorry, for Twitter
[15:02] <soee> :)
[15:03] <Riddell> choqok?
[15:04] <soee> wil check
[15:11] <Riddell> yossarianuk: "deleted old UEFI entry via efibootmng" what's the command for that?
[15:11] <Riddell> by which I mean what switches to efibootmng?
[15:15] <yossarianuk> Riddell: I am not at my uefi machine at the min
[15:15] <yossarianuk> but
[15:15] <yossarianuk> I think its 
[15:16] <yossarianuk> efibootmgr -b [number] -B
[15:16] <yossarianuk> [number] = i,e 1
[15:16] <yossarianuk> bcfg = I used an Arch linux livecd....
[15:17] <yossarianuk> (same thing happened - i.e the 'ubuntu entry came back - until I removed (as a test) /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu
[15:19] <yossarianuk> ps is may be 
[15:19] <yossarianuk> efibootmgr -B [numer] -b
[15:19] <yossarianuk> but I think its the first way ..
[15:19] <Riddell> yossarianuk: I've now got Kubuntu to boot, yay, but there's no windows entry in the boot loader menu, did you have a windows entry (or does your machine not have windows)?
[15:19] <Riddell> I'm very skeptical of this machine because last I looked at it the firmware had some known bugs
[15:19] <yossarianuk> Riddell: no windows 
[15:20] <yossarianuk> Riddell: one test could be - install windows - then ubuntu (rather than kubuntu) 13.10 and see if the same thing occurs.
[15:21] <yossarianuk> I am slightly nervous that the fix add an un-deletable  'ubuntu' entry...
[15:21] <yossarianuk> Isn't UEFI fun !
[15:22] <Riddell> I have no installation media for windows
[15:26] <yossarianuk> ah - nothing of value was lost then....
[15:26] <yossarianuk> sorry (that was a joke)
[15:26] <yossarianuk> http://askubuntu.com/questions/211339/windows-8-wont-boot-after-installation-of-12-10
[15:26] <yossarianuk> (may help..)
[15:27] <yossarianuk> I haven;t tested the new grub packages dual booting with Ubuntu yet ....
[15:27] <yossarianuk> 13.04 - none of this occured (I had 6 os's in UEFI)
[15:28] <yossarianuk> Arch, wheezy, kubuntu (13.04), ubuntu (13.04), mint and elementaryos
[19:14] <ahoneybun> hello all
[19:24] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Are we after the meeting?
[19:29] <ahoneybun> no it is happening in 1 min in ubuntu-meeting
[19:32] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: 1 hour maybe? dem timezones
[19:32] <Quintasan> I never get them right
[19:32] <ahoneybun> 3:30 EST is my timezone
[19:34] <Quintasan> That would be 21:30 UTC+2
[19:35] <Quintasan> Sounds like now
[19:35] <genii> I think EST/EDT is -4
[19:35] <Quintasan> ScottK, yofel, shadeslayer, ahoneybun, valorie, Riddell: I believe it's meeting time
[19:36] <Quintasan> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20131025T1530&p1=179&p2=664
[19:36] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, Riddell can not make it
[19:36] <Quintasan> Oh well, gotta ping all of them anyways
[19:36] <ahoneybun> I was trying to make that
[19:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger: get in here
[19:36] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:36] <yofel> o/
[19:36] <yofel> I totally forgot, so thanks for the ping :D
[19:36] <ahoneybun> well I was going to have in ubuntu-meeting>
[19:36] <ahoneybun> but does not matter
[19:37] <Quintasan> Whatever, doesn't matter where it takes place as long as we do a proper grilling
[19:37] <Quintasan> :>
[19:37] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:37] <Quintasan> Plus I think we need KC quorum
[19:37] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:38] <Quintasan> yofel: Who is on the KC?
[19:38] <yofel> who you pinged + jussi
[19:38] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council/+members#active
[19:38] <Quintasan> jussi: get in here
[19:39]  * Quintasan kicks shadeslayer in the shin
[19:40] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, hey
[19:40] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: We gotta wait for people to show up, it's kind of pointless if we don't have qorum.
[19:40] <Quintasan> We'd have to defer the voting to mailing list
[19:41] <ahoneybun> oh
[19:41] <ahoneybun> ok
[19:41] <littlegirl> ahoneybun: Hey there, I thought I'd attend since more than one person said they couldn't. I don't have any power or anything, but I'm a warm body in attendance. (:
[19:41] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:41] <Quintasan> littlegirl: I came here to grill him
[19:41] <Quintasan> I don't have any powers either
[19:41]  * littlegirl hands Quintasan some charcoal
[19:41] <ahoneybun> great'
[19:41] <ahoneybun> lol
[19:41] <littlegirl> How is it done?
[19:42] <Quintasan> Lemme show you
[19:42] <littlegirl> LOL
[19:42] <littlegirl> Do they just describe a situation with a problem and then see how ahoneybun would solve it?
[19:42] <Quintasan> More or less
[19:42] <Quintasan> I prefer the more direct approach
[19:42] <littlegirl> What's that?
[19:42]  * Quintasan spreads some charcoal under ahoneybun
[19:43] <littlegirl> LOL
[19:43] <Quintasan> sup
[19:43]  * littlegirl hands Quintasan a lighter
[19:43] <littlegirl> Hang on, ahoneybun, you're going to be official in just a sec. (:
[19:43]  * Quintasan splashes some gasoline on the charcoals
[19:43] <ahoneybun> going all out there
[19:43]  * Quintasan throws the lighter inside
[19:43] <littlegirl> LOL
[19:43]  * yofel reads the wiki page and fetches some coffee
[19:44] <Quintasan> Uh, yeah
[19:44] <Quintasan> I almost forgot
[19:44]  * littlegirl hands Quintasan yofel
[19:44] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Link to your wiki page please
[19:44]  * littlegirl hands Quintasan yofel's wiki page to throw on the fire
[19:44]  * Quintasan throws yofel along with his wiki page into the fire
[19:44] <Quintasan> oop
[19:44] <Quintasan> Wrong person.
[19:44] <littlegirl> heh
[19:45] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt
[19:45] <littlegirl> So all the official people can't make it?
[19:45] <Quintasan> Give them a minute
[19:45] <Quintasan> I think ScottK is working
[19:48] <yofel> hey :D
[19:49] <littlegirl> Oh, are you official, yofel?
[19:49] <yofel> littlegirl: well, I'm here, so we need 2 more ^^
[19:49]  * littlegirl kicks herself in the head
[19:50] <Quintasan> littlegirl: You're pretty flexible if you're able to do that
[19:50] <littlegirl> So, yofel, what kind of stuff do you do in one of these meetings?
[19:50] <yofel> lol, I'm really not the most visible part of the council ^^
[19:50]  * Quintasan tries
[19:50] <Quintasan> Hell, I can't make it even 3/4ths to my head
[19:50] <littlegirl> Quintasan: I actually almost can do that in real life. (:
[19:51] <littlegirl> I've seen you here and there, yofel, so you're not entirely invisible. (:
[19:51] <Quintasan> You know, yofel is pulling all the strings behind the scene
[19:51] <yofel> littlegirl: mostly interview past and future and make up the mind whether we know the person good enough to entrust him with the membership
[19:51] <littlegirl> I've never gone this whole official route. I just sort of unofficially stick my head in, stick some bubblegum on the wall of whatever project is in need of help, and then pull my head out again until next time. (:
[19:52] <Quintasan> yofel: Couldn't you just say "grilling"?
[19:52] <yofel> Quintasan: well, I was trying to be polite for a change ;P
[19:52] <littlegirl> yofel: That sounds reasonable, and seems like it would be tailored to the individual. (:
[19:52] <Quintasan> Back in the ol' days logger would troll me all day long before the meeting and not tell what grilling consists of
[19:52]  * Quintasan shakes fist
[19:53] <yofel> "Back in the ol' days"? He still does that in dev meetings
[19:53] <littlegirl> LOL
[19:53] <littlegirl> Quintasan, did you get grilled?
[19:53]  * littlegirl has never been grilled
[19:53] <Quintasan> Plenty.
[19:53] <Quintasan> littlegirl: First time was my Kubuntu membership, then 
[19:53] <Quintasan> I got invited to ninjas
[19:53] <Quintasan> Then I got grilled at MOTU application
[19:54] <littlegirl> Is ninjas a Kubuntu or Ubuntu thing?
[19:54] <Quintasan> and then finally Kubuntu Developer meeting
[19:54] <Quintasan> ninjas = people who package KDE
[19:54] <littlegirl> Ah, okay. (:
[19:54] <Quintasan> #kubuntu-bunker was it?
[19:54] <Quintasan> nhandler is STILL there
[19:54] <Quintasan> xD
[19:55] <yofel> that was before my time
[19:55] <Quintasan> Oh god, didn't we get rid of that
[19:56] <Quintasan> Man, gotta get myself back into business
[19:56] <Quintasan> Long time since I done some packaging
[19:56] <littlegirl> Hey, Quintasan, when you do packaging, do you also write or edit the documentation of the package?
[19:57] <Quintasan> Uh, generally no.
[19:57] <yofel> learn it by writing the current process documentation
[19:57] <yofel> which reminds me... I still need to rewrite part of the scripts before the 31st -.-
[19:57] <Quintasan> Unless you consider writing a missing manpage as writing docs
[19:58] <Quintasan> yofel: That reminds me we need to redesign the current ninja workflow
[19:58] <littlegirl> That definitely qualifies. It's not the kind of documentation I was talking about, though. (:
[19:58] <yofel> Quintasan: the workflow is ~ok, it's just undocumented :/
[19:58] <littlegirl> Quintasan: Are you good at writing man pages?
[19:58] <Quintasan> littlegirl: Hell, I did it once or twice.
[19:58] <littlegirl> LOL
[19:59] <Quintasan> I can pretty much do it but I just need to get into the right mindset
[19:59] <Quintasan> I have the tendency to assume that everyone knows at least as much as I do
[19:59] <Quintasan> And sometimes it doesn't work
[19:59] <littlegirl> There was a mention in one of the mailing lists that there are quite a few missing man pages, so I did a search, and there are a ton of them missing. I wrote one and then put up a link to have whoever it was that said it take a look and tell me if I did it right, but never heard back. Who can I show it to to see if I did it right so I can write more of them?
[20:00] <Quintasan> If it's a package in universe or multiverse you can ask me.
[20:00] <Quintasan> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[20:00] <littlegirl> Let me look. I forget which one I wrote...
[20:01] <Quintasan> OMFG
[20:01] <Quintasan> yofel: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/ReleasePackaging
[20:01] <Quintasan> This
[20:01] <yofel> Quintasan: that's actually still kinda relevant, but kubuntu-automation isn't even mentioned
[20:01] <littlegirl> It's the ktrash man page.
[20:01] <Quintasan> needs rewriting badly
[20:01] <yofel> oh right, that thing that I started writing and never finished -.-
[20:01] <yofel> *that* is outdated
[20:03] <littlegirl> Not sure if you want to take a look at it, but if you do, it's here: https://app.box.com/s/hr4utykhzbjrk83apehs
[20:03] <Quintasan> I'll take a look later
[20:04] <yofel> kubuntu-automation/README has some more relevant documentation, but I don't think you could actually get things running with only that information
[20:04] <littlegirl> Quintasan: Okay, thanks. (:
[20:06] <littlegirl> You know, we could grill ahoneybun about other things. (:
[20:06] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:07] <littlegirl> For instance, if a little old lady needed help crossing the street, ahoneybun, and you had coffee in one hand and your significant other in the other, what would you do? (:
[20:07] <yofel> ahoneybun: till when do you have time to hang around?
[20:07] <yofel> I'll be here for at least ~2h more
[20:07] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, give my girl the coffee and help her?
[20:07] <yofel> maybe someone else shows up after all...
[20:07]  * genii offers to hold the coffee
[20:07] <littlegirl> We're sorry, but since you didn't throw the coffee at your girl, you have failed the grilling. (:
[20:08] <ahoneybun> yofel, I can be around all day really got my girl over
[20:08] <ahoneybun> littlegirl, que?
[20:08] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:08] <yofel> ok
[20:09] <Quintasan> yofel: We also need guides how to do ninja magic over at qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[20:09] <Quintasan> Since that's still not clear to me
[20:10] <yofel> just keep it on the wiki, but I agree that we need to write some documentation. There's probably half a dozen people that know how to use the automation tools, and some less that actually know how they work
[20:11] <ahoneybun> so are we still waiting?
[20:11] <Quintasan> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment <--- going to rewrite/improve this
[20:12] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: I suggest we wait 8 minutes more and then start the grilling and defer the voting to mailing lsit
[20:12] <Quintasan> list*
[20:12] <Quintasan> Or we can reschedule the meeting if you want.
[20:12] <yofel> I would wait if you don't mind. While I could grill you, I would like to have at least one other person that's actually familiar with the docs work. I haven't payed much attention to it this cycle
[20:12] <yofel> right, or we could reschedule
[20:13] <yofel> there was another date that you proposed, right?
[20:14] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, ok
[20:16] <yofel> Quintasan: it would be great if you could update it, I think me, shadeslayer, Riddell and howard know best how the tools work currently
[20:20] <valorie> shoot, I wish I had had the time correct
[20:20] <valorie> :(
[20:20] <valorie> I'll read up
[20:21] <yofel> valorie: we never started with only one person, so welcome ;)
[20:21] <valorie> I kept asking for a clarification, and not getting one
[20:21] <valorie> anyway
[20:22] <yofel> now a summoning stick for shadeslayer would be really useful
[20:22]  * yofel wonders if he's lying around drunk in some spanish bar
[20:22] <ahoneybun> valorie, I thought I sent one out
[20:23] <ahoneybun> sorry welcome anyway valorie 
[20:23] <valorie> you probably did
[20:23] <ahoneybun> for your timezone
[20:23] <yofel> ahoneybun: the one you sent was on rather short notice...
[20:23] <valorie> but I just got to my computer now, since I didn't have the right info -- from what I could tell, it was later on this afternoon
[20:23] <valorie> doodle not working right for me, I guess
[20:23] <ahoneybun> yofel, I was trying to understand the site
[20:24] <ahoneybun> anyway we are here
[20:27] <Quintasan> If shadeslayer arrives anytime soon we could theoretically start
[20:27] <valorie> yofel: can you text him?
[20:28] <Quintasan> I can.
[20:28] <valorie> cool
[20:28] <yofel> valorie: he never actually gave me his number
[20:28] <valorie> I have a contact, I'll try
[20:29] <Quintasan> Sent.
[20:29] <Quintasan> Or not
[20:29] <Quintasan> Crap
[20:30] <Quintasan> Looks like my phone doesn't like his number
[20:31] <valorie> mine says sent successfully
[20:31] <valorie> however
[20:31] <valorie> international texting can be tricky
[20:31] <Quintasan> valorie: Care to msg me his number? I'm pretty much sure it worked in the past
[20:38] <valorie> I didn't finish reading up yet -- are we expecting apachelogger as well?
[20:39] <apachelogger> apachelogger doesn't need to vote
[20:39] <apachelogger> muhaha
[20:39] <apachelogger> suckas :P
[20:40] <Quintasan> Derp
[20:41] <apachelogger> Quintasan: shadeslayer may have a different numba considering he is in the spainz btw
[20:41] <Quintasan> I pretty much know it but decided to text him anyways
[20:42] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-oqLBnJ3vQ
[20:42] <soee> what happend ?
[20:42] <apachelogger> Quintasan broke 13.10 I suspect
[20:42] <Quintasan> Bloody hell apachelogger what the hell are you listening to?
[20:42] <soee> ;p
[20:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm pretty much sure some classical musing would act as a counterbalance to your insanity
[20:43] <Quintasan> Anyways, let's get rolling with the grilling
[20:43] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Ready?
[20:43] <apachelogger> musing, what is this, the 90's?
[20:43] <Quintasan> >musing
[20:43] <Quintasan> holy 
[20:43] <Quintasan> I can't type
[20:43] <Quintasan> music obviously
[20:44] <apachelogger> classical music makes me sleepy
[20:44] <valorie> ah, you need the Surprise Symphony
[20:45] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, yea
[20:45] <valorie> made for people who fall asleep during classical musics
[20:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger, yofel, valorie: Get started
[20:45]  * Quintasan hands over some charcoal
[20:45] <yofel> ack, lets get this started. I just watched the new windows 8.1 commercial on television so I'm riled up
[20:45] <Quintasan> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[20:45] <Quintasan> I'm done
[20:45] <apachelogger> I am not allowed to ask stuff, I am not council memba
[20:46] <valorie> pfff
[20:46] <valorie> you can ask
[20:46] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: how are you?
[20:46] <valorie> you just will refrain from voting
[20:46] <apachelogger> Quintasan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4plt_c7v1Y maybe that is bettar
[20:46] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, pretty good eating some chinese
[20:46] <apachelogger> valorie: so my opinoin is worthless, I see :P
[20:47]  * valorie {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}} apachelogger
[20:47] <apachelogger> there you have it ahoneybun is eating people, that's not good :P
[20:47] <valorie> on the contrary; it is priceless
[20:47] <Quintasan> >Army of Mushrooms
[20:47] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:47] <Quintasan> Christ.
[20:47]  * apachelogger looks up notes
[20:47] <yofel> I think apachelogger is delusional after eating too many mushrooms
[20:48] <valorie> ahoneybun: the weakness I see in your wikipage is your involvement in the larger Ubuntu community
[20:48] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: do you have wiki page for us?
[20:48] <yofel> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/AaronHoneycutt
[20:48] <ahoneybun> valorie, true
[20:49] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: what do you do for kubuntu and why do you do it?
[20:49] <littlegirl> Quintasan and apachelogger I would say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIWmsP3c_s is more appropriate for what's happening here. (:
[20:49] <valorie> so what are your plans to widen your involvement?
[20:49] <Quintasan> Well, you might want to begin with who you are and what are you doing for us.
[20:49] <valorie> heh
[20:49]  * apachelogger takes note to never click links from littlegirl again
[20:49] <littlegirl> LOL
[20:49] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, I work on improving the Docs mostly but want to branch out into Ubuntu as a whole, to improve Ubuntu as a whole to be the best Operating System for everyone
[20:50] <yofel> ahoneybun: what did you get interested in contribution to kubuntu?
[20:50] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs walken ftw
[20:50] <ahoneybun> valorie, look into Docs with Ubuntu perhaps
[20:51] <ahoneybun> yofel, I was looking for a space where I could help with minimal programing 
[20:52] <lordievader> Is ahoneybun's Kubuntu Member meeting going on right now?
[20:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic learn
[20:52] <kubotu> okay then :)
[20:52] <ahoneybun> lordievader, yes
[20:52] <yofel> lordievader: yes
[20:52] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic set Meeting In Progress - also listen to fatboy slim's weapon of choice
[20:53] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: What in your opinion makes Kubuntu different (not necessarily better) from other KDE software based distributions?
[20:53] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, I like being Ubuntu based I feel like that makes us more closer to improve us all
[20:54] <apachelogger> how so?
[20:55] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, we have different goals as we use different toolkits, DE's but Ubuntu forms a strong base to create a great Operating System 
[20:56] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: other than looking into the larger ubuntu project, do you have any specific future plans for kubuntu stuff?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, improve the Docs by finishing it for 14.04, get as many translations as possible, I think a start page like how Linux Mint has when you boot up the computer might be a great addition
[20:58] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: how long have you been involved with the project?
[20:59] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, 4 months around there
[20:59] <ahoneybun> after 13.04 came out
[20:59] <apachelogger> on your wiki page it says "Kubuntu 13.10 and Ubuntu 13.10 in Virtual Boxes" <- why in virtual boxes and not native? :P
[20:59] <valorie> littlegirl: are we lighting him up?
[20:59] <valorie> lol
[21:00] <littlegirl> valorie: Oh yeah - I can tell you I wouldn't want to have to answer some of these. (:
[21:00] <apachelogger> (those are nice questions :O)
[21:00]  * littlegirl wants to comfort ahoneybun as he's toasting
[21:00] <yofel> ahoneybun: continuing from before: so what made kubuntu different from the other places you looked at that made you decide on kubuntu as the place that you would enjoy the most?
[21:00]  * littlegirl nods at apachelogger
[21:01] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, this is a new laptop and I just got it to work with Ubuntu since it needs the bumblebee nvidia driver
[21:01]  * apachelogger shivers
[21:01]  * littlegirl Googles bumblebee nvidia drive
[21:01] <apachelogger> don't!
[21:01] <apachelogger> eats kittens :P
[21:02] <ahoneybun> yofel, I enjoyed KDE more  then other DE's and Kubuntu has the best stable KDE and I live deb, apt and such
[21:02] <ahoneybun> in fact I'm in Ubuntu now
[21:02] <ahoneybun> I got dual booting to work
[21:03] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: have you looked into joining an ubuntu loco?
[21:03] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, ubuntu loco for florida is pretty dead it seems
[21:03] <valorie> that was going to be my next question!
[21:04] <apachelogger> perhaps you should revive it ;)
[21:04] <ahoneybun> brb'
[21:04] <valorie> I think mhall has some stuff going with it
[21:05] <ahoneybun> back
[21:05] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, I am on the mailing list
[21:05] <ahoneybun> perhaps
[21:05] <yofel> ahoneybun: as I've seen you working a lot on the documentation lately, what work have you been doing there?
[21:07] <ahoneybun> yofel, making changes to fix things with my other team members, looking at what needs to be done and talking with valorie apachelogger and Riddell about moving to MediaWIki for better html export
[21:07] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: what state is the 13.10 documentation in?
[21:08] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Here is a random thought - did you consider using pandoc?
[21:09] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, better then it was before, but still need to finish the pages, tweak the Basic page and work the Mini Docs together
[21:09] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, did not know about that
[21:09] <valorie> first I've heard of pandoc as well
[21:09] <Quintasan> Well, you might consider using that
[21:09] <apachelogger> Quintasan: mediawiki == pandoc :P
[21:09] <Quintasan> I've learned about it recently as well.
[21:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I think otherwise but let's leave it for later
[21:10] <apachelogger> mediawiki has renderers which produce any output you want out of mediawiki markup, so the limit is really just the amount of renderers you can find
[21:10] <Quintasan> It was just a suggestion from my side
[21:12] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: does it look sensible on the ISO/CD?
[21:12] <apachelogger> (the 13.10 docs)
[21:13] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, yea just that the unfinished Installation page was included
[21:14] <valorie> that was our fault; we should have filed a bug
[21:14] <valorie> but I thought that was done
[21:14] <valorie> :(
[21:14] <apachelogger> communication problems are definitely something to watch out for
[21:14] <apachelogger> also developers are very forgetful ;)
[21:15]  * yofel just wanted to say that :P
[21:15]  * apachelogger uploads something
[21:16] <valorie> so aaron
[21:16] <valorie> I would like to see you wait a bit, however I think you've already worked a minor miracle
[21:17] <ahoneybun> valorie, wait for membership?
[21:17] <valorie> IMO you asked a bit early, however, I'm leaning towards +1 anyway
[21:18] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:18] <valorie> evidently we don't have a current number for shadeslayer, or he had his phone off, or something
[21:19] <valorie> so KC: any more questions for aaron, or shall we vote?
[21:20] <yofel> valorie: I think we can vote, it's just us two anyway
[21:21] <valorie> yes, we'll have to take it to the list
[21:21] <valorie> let me just say, that if you don't get enough votes for membership this time, please apply again
[21:22] <valorie> and this time, flog on doodle to get it to work for you
[21:22] <ahoneybun> valorie, yea I think that was the main reason I have only 2 here
[21:23] <ahoneybun> well you and yofel 
[21:23]  * apachelogger meanwhile draws attention to http://i.imgur.com/6KPcyMH.png coughs and disappears in ominous mists
[21:24] <ahoneybun> apachelogger, that is also getting fixed with the install page for the next update
[21:24] <valorie> yikes
[21:24] <apachelogger> weeeh
[21:24] <apachelogger> any plans on preventing that for .04? :P
[21:24] <ahoneybun> it was just the package was never rebuilt
[21:24] <lordievader> apachelogger: Could you make a bug report for that? I'll take a look at it when I have time again.
[21:24] <valorie> we need to step up our QC for the docs
[21:24] <valorie> for sure
[21:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:25] <apachelogger> perhaps that was what I was getting at ;)
[21:25] <apachelogger> lordievader: sure
[21:25] <valorie> yes, we need to call for testers for the documentation right along with other stuff
[21:26] <valorie> perhaps on the users list, and maybe the forums, which is what most people seem to use these days
[21:26] <apachelogger> well then
[21:27] <apachelogger> valorie, yofel: go do your voting stuff or something
[21:27] <yofel> so, voting:
[21:27] <yofel> I'll vote +0. IMO ahoneybun has done a great job in reviving our pretty much dead documentation and without him we would have nothing for 13.10. But I simply don't see enough impact from just your work in just 4 months to give you a +1.
[21:27] <yofel> I still think you're doing a great job, so if you keep up your work you'll definitely get a +1 from me in a month or two.
[21:27] <ahoneybun> yofel, thank you
[21:28] <valorie> so, you have a +1, which is not enough
[21:28] <ahoneybun> yep
[21:28] <valorie> we'll take this to the list and see what shadeslayer, Riddell and ScottK say
[21:28] <yofel> I'll forward it to the ML where the others can vote
[21:28] <ahoneybun> valorie, how many do I need
[21:28] <ahoneybun> ?
[21:28] <Quintasan> if someone want's my opinion it's +1
[21:28] <yofel> you could still get +2 out of the other 4
[21:28] <valorie> a majority
[21:29] <valorie> so 3 total
[21:29] <yofel> ahoneybun: +3 out of 6
[21:29] <ahoneybun> ok
[21:29] <ahoneybun> thanks
[21:29] <Quintasan> We had nothing and we now have something, it's not GREAT but it is a great start.
[21:29] <valorie> whether or not you make it this time, I look forward to your long and productive membership
[21:29] <Quintasan> Keep up the good work ahoneybun.
[21:29] <apachelogger> +3 unless someone goes -1
[21:29] <ahoneybun> valorie, thanks 
[21:30] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, thank you
[21:30] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I know something that is great
[21:30] <Quintasan> What is it apachelogger?
[21:30] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPq6FfOSc6k
[21:30] <Quintasan> Though I'm pretty sure I don't want to know the answer.
[21:30] <Quintasan> Right...
[21:32] <apachelogger> it's funny how cnn thinks that the shark would have eaten the boat and all the people on board thanks to spielberg....
[21:32] <apachelogger> omonomnom the shark thought, but he saw the camera, it's always such a hassle when you get cought on film....
[21:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: topic restore
[21:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: thanks
[21:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[21:33]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[21:33] <Quintasan> Why'd you get beer of all people?
[21:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Besides where is my whisky bind?
[21:33] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for ahoneybun
[21:33]  * kubotu gives ahoneybun a nice frosty mug of beer.
[21:33] <apachelogger> on vacation
[21:33] <genii> Because he can?
[21:33]  * valorie gives Quintasan real whisky
[21:33] <yofel> valorie: mail sent
[21:33] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Why is it still on vacation? Bring it back.
[21:33] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, I'm 20 lol
[21:33] <apachelogger> I hear white sharks drink loadsa wisky
[21:33] <valorie> thank you, yofel
[21:34] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Well, you are of drinking age in Europe
[21:34] <ahoneybun> Quintasan, yea lol
[21:34] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Wait, you are 20 as well?
[21:34] <Quintasan> sup
[21:34] <yofel> ahoneybun: so, thanks for taking your time to organize the meeting and attending. I'll whish you good luck on the ML :)
[21:34] <apachelogger> everyone in the channel is 20
[21:34] <ahoneybun> lol
[21:34] <ahoneybun> yofel, thank you
[21:35]  * valorie is 3 times 20
[21:35] <apachelogger> uh, math...
[21:35] <valorie> and drinking coffee
[21:35] <Quintasan> no apachelogger you are not 20
[21:35] <yofel> Quintasan: seriously, how could you not know about the "Universal IRC age"
[21:35] <apachelogger> indeed, I am 21
[21:35]  * Quintasan smirks
[21:35] <yofel> :P
[21:35] <apachelogger> I am a grown up
[21:36] <apachelogger> Quintasan: bug 1244792 you could fix
[21:36] <Quintasan> Hmm, it's not past midnight yet
[21:36] <Quintasan> I can fix it though,
[21:39] <apachelogger> what does midnight have to do with it? :O
[21:39] <Quintasan> Nothing at all
[21:39] <Quintasan> It's just my gut feeling telling me not to do anything before midnight.
[21:40] <apachelogger> curious
[21:54] <valorie> ok, that was good timing
[21:55] <valorie> my car is now fixed and ready to go to the emissions testing again
[23:44] <valorie> car fixed, and passed emissions
[23:44] <valorie> \o/