[00:36] <slangasek> elopio: hi, re: qmlscene, can you please walk me through how this test is being launched?
[00:37] <elopio> slangasek: I don't know much about that. I know the -autopilot package is installed on the phone, and it's run with phablet-test-run. People on ci should be able to give you more details.
[00:42] <slangasek> elopio: ok.  So I wonder if it's using the wrong version of phablet-test-run or something.
[00:42] <slangasek> elopio: or if autopilot is mistakenly sanitizing environment
[00:45] <elopio> slangasek: I can't find anything on autopilot that might change the QT_SELECT env var. But thomi would know better.
[00:49] <thomi> we never remove or change existing env vars
[00:50] <thomi> we occaisonally add some
[01:09] <slangasek> thomi: so, how are these autopilot tests invoked?  phablet-test-run from the host system?  What version of phablet-test-run is being used?
[01:11] <thomi> slangasek: Which tests are we talking about?
[01:11] <thomi> and do you mean on the CI system?
[01:16] <slangasek> thomi: basically, the tests linked from jenkins "you failed" message here: https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/launch_qmlscene/+merge/192576
[01:16] <slangasek> so, jenkins.qa.u.c
[01:16] <thomi> gotchya
[01:16] <thomi> sorry, I was missing the context of the conversation :)
[01:17] <slangasek> sure, sorry
[01:19] <thomi> slangasek: so autopilot will take the string you pass, and attempt to find the full path to that binary (from memory by calling 'which').
[01:19] <thomi> the test log shows what is actually launched:
[01:19] <thomi> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-maguro/2708/testReport/junit/ubuntuuitoolkit.tests.test_emulators/TabsTestCase/test_switch_to_tab_by_object_name/
[01:19] <slangasek> thomi: but what manages the connection to the device?  Is this using phablet-test-run or not?
[01:20] <thomi> If I understand correctly, we're trying to select the Qt version using the QT_SELECT environment variable, rather than specifying it manually?
[01:20] <slangasek> we're trying to have the test environment not diverge from the production environment :)
[01:20] <thomi> slangasek: that's reallly a question for the CI team. I don't know. I'd guess that they are using phablet-test-run, but I can't be sure
[01:20] <slangasek> ok
[01:20] <thomi> fginther - do you know ^^
[01:22] <johnsterdotcom1> I made a backup, and when I went to re-image to that backup (with Ubuntu touch running on the  phone) I get: "adb: unable to connect for backup"
[01:24] <johnsterdotcom1> nevermind ... i think I see what I need to do
[01:28] <johnsterdotcom1> Where do I review / submit bugs?
[01:30] <cjohnston> depends on what is causing the issue
[02:32] <AskUbuntu> How Do I Unlock My Device | http://askubuntu.com/q/365389
[03:18] <AskUbuntu> How to use Ubuntu Touch manage-address-books.py? | http://askubuntu.com/q/365402
[03:50] <Mirv> janimo`: no, the package names and a lot of the content are the same for all of Qt 5.x, so only one can sanely exist
[05:37] <fanout> Gentlemen, Got a Real Problem::::::Need to go back to Android. How to bring up the bootloader ? Power + Vol up + Vol Down doesnt work........What To Do ? Help Please !
[05:41] <duflu> fanout: Sometimes it's simpler to hold VolDown first and then hold Power
[05:59] <fanout> THANKS ! duflu !!
[06:16] <AskUbuntu> Account on Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/365437
[06:54] <gord> im trying  to flash ubuntu touch onto my tablet, and im going through the steps, and im on a windows machine so i dont really know how to translate the commands into windows talk
[07:03] <Anh> hey guys
[07:03] <Anh> i have a question
[07:03] <Anh> i am trying to flash nexus 4 with the ubuntu for phones
[07:03] <Anh> but i am stuck at "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes."
[07:05] <Anh> any suggestions?
[08:25] <sil2100> mpt: piiing
[08:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy (or should that be grumpy?) Sourest Day! :-D
[08:43]  * ogra_ gets some pickles
[08:46]  * JamesTait munches on lemons.
[08:46] <Ojzcroc> Does anyone know where the logs are put for package installation? When try and install and app through the phones "More suggestions" for apps, it freezes and seems to do nothing.
[08:47] <JamesTait> Ojzcroc, I think that'll end up in ~phablet/.cache/unity-scope-click.log
[08:48] <Ojzcroc> JamesTait: Thanks
[09:28] <FlyinGrub> hi, i'm following this guide : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting with a ubuntu 13.10 laptop ; and after running this command "sudo phablet-dev-bootstrap ~/TOUCH/ ; i've only a  total of 2Go downloaded in my ~/ folder .... i cannot remove or deplace thoses files ... if someone can help me :) ?
[09:30] <FlyinGrub> nobody ?
[09:33] <FlyinGrub> who is here ?
[09:34] <FlyinGrub> it seems i'm alone ...
[09:45] <Ojzcroc> Why does the ubuntu-system variant of ubuntu touch have a read-only file system? It won't let me install apps or use ssh.
[09:48] <RAOF> Ojzcroc: As a side-effect of the image-based updates, IIRC. You can touch a file - I think it's ~/.writable_filesystem, or something similar, to get a writable root fs back.
[09:49] <Ojzcroc> RAOF: do you take the file and change it's value to allow you to write to the file system
[09:50] <RAOF> No, you just create a file with that name.
[09:50] <Ojzcroc> Ok, thanks
[09:50] <RAOF> Or, whatever the correct file is; that might not be it :)
[09:58] <mhr3_> Ojzcroc, phablet-config --help
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:14] <jinx> hello
[10:14] <Guest10221> hello
[11:53] <Ojzcroc> I don't know if my question worked before, I think the connection failed, so i'll ask again; I can't install apps from the suggested apps section, it just freezes at the moment, and won't install or download.
[12:00] <ogra_> Ojzcroc, what device ?
[12:00] <ogra_> (works fine here on mako and maguro)
[12:04] <Jadersmith> Hi everybody!
[12:05] <davmor2> ogra_: I wonder if he hasn't logged into u1 and thinks there is an issue because of it
[12:06] <Jadersmith> I'd like to install ubuntu touch on my device but I don't understand  completely the guide on the web
[12:06] <Jadersmith> My device is a Samsung Galaxy S gt-i9000
[12:06] <ogra_> davmor2, well, the error msg in the UI would tell
[12:06] <ogra_> Jadersmith, best to contact the porter ...
[12:07] <ogra_> !devices | Jadersmith
[12:07] <davmor2> ogra_: you are assuming it is being read :)
[12:07] <ogra_> Jadersmith, there should be a subpage for your device ... that should point to the porters launchpad profile (where you have a mail link) and ot an xda therad
[12:07] <ogra_> *and to an
[12:08] <ogra_> davmor2, it is white on orange ... yeah, i do :P
[12:24] <Jadersmith> Ok, well
[12:25] <Jadersmith> when I try to get the android code, terminal show me "Impossible to check signature: public key not found"
[12:26] <Jadersmith> so I can't have repo
[12:33] <salem_> sil2100, hey, about the dialer-app autopilot issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~tiagosh/dialer-app/fix-autopilot-dependency/+merge/192688
[12:34] <sil2100> salem_: oh, so that's enough to fix the issue? ;)
[12:35] <salem_> sil2100, It seems so. can you give it a try?
[12:35] <mzanetti> cwayne: ping
[12:51] <fginther> thomi, slangasek, the CI generic-mediumtests-runner-maguro/mako jobs are using phablet-test-run
[12:58] <alex_abreu> jdstrand, ping
[12:59] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: hey
[13:01] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, question about trying to identifiy issues w/ a contained app
[13:01] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, the app runs fine w/ 'unconfined' but fails to run w/ the default profile
[13:01] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, the only thing I can get from the log is a "permission denied"
[13:01] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, ** (process:5430): WARNING **: Unable to exec: Permission denied
[13:03] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: can you 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog'
[13:04] <alex-abreu> ah yeah forgot that one
[13:06] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, mmmh no rights to execute /usr/bin/cordova-ubuntu-2.8 ... /
[13:07] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, apparmor="DENIED" operation="exec" name="/usr/bin/cordova-ubuntu-2.8" pid=17123 comm="exec-line-exec" requested_mask="x" denied_mask="x"
[13:08] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: right, /usr/bin/cordova-ubuntu-2.8 isn't allowed in any of the templates
[13:09] <sil2100> salem_: will be testing the fix now, thanks :)
[13:09] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: I tested cordova in the past, I thought it used qmlscene/qtchooser
[13:09] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, which is an issue since it blocks any cordova click app from running
[13:09] <salem_> sil2100, cool. let me know if it works.
[13:09] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: is this a new change?
[13:09] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, no, it's its own mechanism
[13:09] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, not at all ... which is weird
[13:09] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: can you give me a click package and file a bug?
[13:10] <jdstrand> perhaps I didn't understand how to use cordova (pretty sure I used qtc, but that was a long time ago)
[13:10] <alex-abreu> I have the click package already, and sure, what do I file it against?
[13:10] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu
[13:10] <jdstrand> so maybe qtc changed something
[13:11] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, I generated the click myself, and did not use qtc to develop the app ... so I don't this it is related
[13:12] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: sure-- I was only saying that I probably didn't test it correctly, and that may have been because of an old qtc
[13:13] <alex-abreu> no worries
[13:14] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/+bug/1244655
[13:17] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: is the click package in the store? if not, can you put it in the bug or on chinstrap/lillypilly/somewhere?
[13:17] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, I was sending it to you
[13:18] <jdstrand> thanks
[13:18] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, grabbing it now
[13:26] <plars> sfeole: ping
[13:26] <plars> sfeole: were you still looking at the daily results on the custom jobs?
[13:27] <plars> sfeole: the customizations testsuite seems to have a failure in it: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch_custom/mako/5:20131024:20131024/4803/customizations/
[13:27] <plars> sfeole: there's also a new failure in the latest image on webbrowser that didn't show up on the other mako runs. *could* just be a flaky test, but I don't recall seeing that one be too flaky lately. I'm running it again right now
[13:28] <AskUbuntu> ubuntu-touch on a PC running Ubuntu 13.10 | http://askubuntu.com/q/365610
[13:35] <simon___> hi - i flashed my asus nexus 7 twice with phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel -no-backup and again with --no-backup -d grouper and both times it is very flickery and crashes almost as if there are too many "layers" open.  I installed it through ppa on 12.04 - Am I doing it the right way or is there a better way?
[13:56] <pmcgowan> popey, hey, why cant the clock app save an alarm, just a bug?
[13:56] <ogra_> yes
[13:56]  * ogra_ remembers seeing fixes for it on the landing spreadsheet that didnt land before saucy 
[13:57] <pmcgowan> ah
[13:57] <ogra_> pmcgowan, landing asks line 202 ... landing plan #238
[13:58] <pmcgowan> ogra_, so that is still in use?
[13:58] <ogra_> pmcgowan, looks like it is planned for image #6
[13:59] <ogra_> (see all the comments though)
[13:59] <ogra_> (doesnt seem to be fully working)
[14:00] <didrocks> pmcgowan: ogra_: actually it landed in the archive
[14:00] <didrocks> today
[14:00] <didrocks> so in image #6
[14:00] <didrocks> seems robru got it working
[14:00] <ogra_> didrocks, the comments dont indicate that
[14:00] <didrocks> ogra_: I guess the comment is older
[14:00] <didrocks> was on saucy
[14:00] <didrocks> first landing "try"
[14:01] <ogra_> well, an update would have been nice :P
[14:01] <didrocks> I think we should write the image number
[14:01] <pmcgowan> there are two lines for this
[14:01] <didrocks> agreed that updated would be nice…
[14:02] <pmcgowan> seems the service got fixed but maybe the app needs more UI to control them
[14:02] <pmcgowan> popey, mhall119 whats the plan for the clock app managing alarms?
[14:03] <ogra_> pmcgowan, or an apparmor profile update
[14:04] <mhall119> pmcgowan: can you give more detail?
[14:05] <pmcgowan> mhall119, if I save an alarm, how do I see it, edit it
[14:05] <pmcgowan> or is that there once saving works?
[14:05] <nik90> pmcgowan: when you save an alarm, it should be listed in the alarm tab
[14:05] <nik90> pmcgowan: the UI is in place
[14:05] <pmcgowan> nik90, does it work for you now?
[14:06] <nik90> pmcgowan: since the EDS fix landed in archive today, it should comme as an update in image #6 I suppose
[14:06] <nik90> pmcgowan: I manually installed the EDS fix, and it worked for me
[14:06] <pmcgowan> very good
[14:06] <nik90> pmcgowan: with that fix, I am able to edit, save and delete an alarm
[14:06] <pmcgowan> nik90, great thanks
[14:06] <nik90> pmcgowan: np
[14:06] <ogra_> it still wont do anything audible apparently though
[14:07] <nik90> ogra_: charles implemented a patch for indicator datetime which will create a snap decision when an alarm is triggered
[14:07] <ogra_> ah, cool
[14:07] <nik90> ogra_: I have to get that patch into trust phone images now
[14:07] <ogra_> ++
[14:07] <nik90> will do some testing and request ci to integrate it
[14:07] <ogra_> seems people dont use alarm clocks anymore nowadays :)
[14:08] <nik90> hehe
[14:08] <pmcgowan> whats an alarm clock
[14:08] <nik90> mhall119: When do we get an updated blueprint page for Trusty?
[14:08] <mhall119> so I guess I need to move my phone to trusy, what's the process for that?
[14:09] <nik90> mhall119: also a new status.ubuntu.com/coreapps-13.10
[14:09] <nik90> mhall119: phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel trusty/
[14:09] <mhall119> nik90: we'll probably just move them all into the ubuntu 14.04 status page and blueprints
[14:10] <mhall119> popey: ^^ can you comment on that?
[14:10] <mhall119> thanks nik90
[14:10] <nik90> mhall119: although I heard that trusty does not yet come as an OTA to saucy users. Also you might lose data when you upgrade
[14:10] <nik90> so care
[14:10] <ogra_> mhall119, adb shell system-image-cli -c trusty -b 0 -v
[14:10] <ogra_> (or leave the -v if you like it quiet)
[14:11]  * mhall119 likes it loud
[14:12] <ogra_> mhall119, i think davmor2 had an issue with the device not rebooting when using the above (worked for me) so it might be safer to run it on the device from an "adb shell" instead of from the PC via adb shell
[14:12] <cwayne> mzanetti: (late) pong
[14:13] <mhall119> ogra_: I don't understand you, "on the device from an adb shell"?
[14:13] <ogra_> mhall119, adb shell ... then run system-image-cli there ...
[14:14] <mhall119> instead of phablet-flash you mean
[14:14] <ogra_> mhall119, vs doing "adb shell system-image-cli ...." from your PC
[14:14] <mhall119> oh, ok
[14:14] <ogra_> i suspect that broke the reboot for davmor2 yesterday
[14:14] <mhall119> I suspect davmor2 just breaks things
[14:15] <mhall119> here we go
[14:15] <davmor2> mhall119: I'm meant to it's my job :P
[14:15] <mhall119> yeah but you don't have to enjoy it so much :)
[14:21] <ogra_> jdstrand, hmm, so researching further why my dict webapp doesnt work ... i see something intresting in ~/.xsession-errors
[14:21] <ogra_> init: application-click (com.ubuntu.developer.ogra.dict_dict_0.1)-main-Prozess konnte nicht erzeugt werden: Das Sicherheitsprofil kann nicht gewechselt werden: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
[14:21] <ogra_> that means "cant create main process: security profile can not be loaded: file not found"
[14:22] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/dict-app/package$ ls
[14:22] <ogra_> dict.desktop  dict.json  dict.png  manifest.json
[14:22] <ogra_> it is definitely there
[14:22] <ogra_> (and it doesnt get even to a point where i would see a denial in kern.log)
[14:27] <ogra_> jdstrand, lol, found the issue ... trailing comma in the policy_groups definition ...
[14:28] <ogra_> so ignore me :)
[14:33] <demirbas> merhaba
[14:33] <jdstrand> ogra_: heh, pesky json :)
[14:34] <ogra_> jdstrand, well, it would be nice if some error message could make that more pobvious
[14:34] <ogra_> finding it was really not easy
[14:34] <jdstrand> ogra_: fyi, you might be interested in running lp:click-reviewers-tools (./bin/click-run-checks <click package>)
[14:34] <ogra_> oh, ok
[14:34] <jdstrand> there is a bug to integrate that with the sdk
[14:34] <demirbas> hello to one x yüklenebilirmi ubuntutouch
[14:35] <demirbas> installed for one x
[14:35] <ogra_> jdstrand, thats great for sdk users ... creating a webapp is essentially only creating 4 files though ... which means i dont have it installed
[14:35] <ogra_> jdstrand, couldnt it be a part for "click build" ?
[14:35] <jdstrand> but that would have failed pretty hard with a missing comma
[14:35] <jdstrand> (there are of course many other tests)
[14:35] <jdstrand> ogra_: yep. that branch will work well with webapps too
[14:36] <ogra_> jdstrand, i mean without the sdk
[14:36] <ogra_> i.e as part for click itself
[14:36] <ogra_> s/for/of/
[14:36] <jdstrand> maybe, though click build is kinda a binary thing. it builds or it doesn't
[14:36] <jdstrand> and those tools have some shades of gray
[14:36] <mandel`> barry, ping
[14:37] <jdstrand> but yeah, would be good to think about how to get the tools some more widespread use
[14:37] <mandel_> barry, better using a nicer nick ;)
[14:37] <jdstrand> (they will be used by the appstore and be run automatically btw)
[14:37] <ogra_> ah
[14:37] <ogra_> ok
[14:38] <demirbas> works for the installation instructions and the address you give one x boot.img.
[14:38] <barry> mandel_: hi!
[14:39] <mandel_> barry, hello!
[14:39] <mandel_> barry, I have been take a look at the downloader and how we can improve the situation, how do you feel if I do a python wrapper for the c client lib I'm going to create fo the sdk?
[14:40] <barry> mandel_: the c lib will be to talk to udm over dbus?
[14:40] <mandel_> barry, yep
[14:40] <ogra_> beuno, hmm, is there any known prob with uploading clicks to the store ? i get a progress bar but it never finishes
[14:41] <barry> mandel_: the python wrapper might be interesting, but not critical.  dbus is really easy in python :)
[14:41] <barry> mandel_: would there be any benefits over just using python-dbus?
[14:42] <mandel_> barry, will make sure if the dbus api changes you have nothing to worry about :)
[14:42] <mandel_> barry, but as you said, nothing to really worry, there is an other change that I already landed that you are going to enjoy
[14:43] <mandel_> barry, the id of the downloads can be passed as a string to the u-d-m via metadata for unconfined apps, that way, you can create predictable objects paths and check if there is a download present with it
[14:43] <barry> mandel_: re: python wrapper, sure, go for it.  at the least it will help other pythoneers, it'll be fun to write, and i'm happy to review it :)
[14:43] <barry> mandel_: nice
[14:43] <mandel_> barry, the uuid fix will help for the case in witch your dameon dies and the download is in process :)
[14:43] <ogra_> beuno, oh, now i get a "Upload failed due to an Server error. Details: BAD REQUEST code 400."
[14:43] <barry> mandel_: *very* nice
[14:44] <mandel_> barry, you can simply check if the object path is there, and you are ready to go :)
[14:45] <barry> mandel_: cool.  btw, i pinged you a few days ago about getting some help, but i think i figured out most of my questions.  i was getting some weird behavior and needed to get some logging out of udm to see what it was doing.  but i figured out where it's logging things for unconstrained, but not running as root (i.e. my test suite)
[14:45] <mzanetti> cwayne: hi, still around?
[14:45] <mzanetti> aka re-ping
[14:46] <mandel_> barry, oh, I missed the pig, sorry :-/
[14:46] <mandel_> barry, oh, the logging goes in an xdg file AFAIK
[14:46] <mandel_> barry, in .cache
[14:47] <barry> mandel_: yep, found it. :)
[14:47] <mandel_> barry, I have written a state machine on how the downloads work and group downloads, I'll update the wiki with it and would love to talk with you to write one that combines both daemons
[14:47] <mandel_> barry, with that we can take a look what corner cases we are missing
[14:48] <barry> mandel_: one thing i will definitely need some help with at some point is figuring out why we get so many timeout errors when running the test suite in autopkgtests.  it runs the *exact* same unittests, but we see way more timeouts in that environ than in a normal package build test.  i have no idea why
[14:48] <cwayne> mzanetti: yep, whats up
[14:48] <mzanetti> cwayne: hi. You have some code around that uses accounts service in QML?
[14:48] <barry> mandel_: sounds great
[14:48] <mandel_> barry, hm, sure, I can definitely give a hand with that!
[14:50] <barry> mandel_: thanks!  i'm pivoting over to some other things for a few days, since we're not on a death march to release any more ;)  but will get back to it next week
[14:51] <mandel_> barry, awesome, lets plan a hangout on monday, we can do the state machine between the two of use and the update docs etc.. I think that will  really help to add test cases for QA
[14:51] <mandel_> s/use/us
[14:51] <cwayne> mzanetti: sure, let me push it to a branch
[14:51] <barry> mandel_: monday sounds good!
[14:51] <mzanetti> cwayne: cool, thank
[14:52] <mandel_> barry, superb!
[14:52] <mandel_> barry, small example => http://ubuntuone.com/4Fhg6QKAfIBDBIXqjmyzIJ
[14:52] <mandel_> barry, should clarify looots of things
[14:53] <barry> mandel_: looks nice
[14:59] <cwayne> mzanetti: lp:~cwayne18/+junk/ufitbit-tracker
[15:01] <mzanetti> cwayne: cheers!
[15:20] <ogra_> mterry, in case you didnt notice, i was asked to revert your seed change (added some info the the changelog of -meta)
[15:25] <krabador> ogra_, what about no-nexus RIL ?
[15:27] <ogra_> awe_, ^^^ do we have some wikipage about what info to collect for a rild bug (so we can give porters a hand easily) ?
[15:28] <awe_> ogra_, no...we currently do not have such a page.
[15:28] <ogra_> awe_, we should have one some day :)
[15:28] <awe_> ogra_, that said, I created a telephony and ofono page for touch, that we will be adding developer info to over the next cycle
[15:28] <ogra_> "debugging ofono-rild"
[15:28] <ogra_> yeah, pertfect
[15:29] <ogra_> krabador, so for now file a bug against ofono i'D say
[15:29] <awe_> ogra_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Telephony
[15:30] <ogra_> krabador, ^^^
[15:30] <awe_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Telephony/ofono
[15:32] <krabador> how many times ofono developers can work to debug
[15:32] <krabador> ?
[15:32] <slangasek> fginther: what version of phablet-test-run?  Because the environment there appears not to match what we all get locally
[15:33] <fginther> slangasek, 1.0+13.10.20131022-0ubuntu1
[15:33] <mterry> ogra_, oh, why?  We got OK from Mirv  saying it was OK to drop qtaudioengine
[15:34] <awe_> ogra_, so to be clear... we support vanilla RIL
[15:35] <awe_> if there are other rild implementations that have been customized by OEM, we may only accept fixes that don't break our references RILD implementations ( ie. rilds released on current and future Nexus devices that we've ported )
[15:42] <AskUbuntu> Backup/Export contacts from Ubuntu Touch (official launch r100, Ubuntu 13.10 - armhf (20131017)) | http://askubuntu.com/q/365675
[16:02] <Ibuntu> Hi there, I'm new to this IRC chat thing. I flashed the Oct 17th official 13.10 Ubuntu Touch release onto my Nexus 4. I was looking for where to contribute by reporting bugs or functionality issues and help test fixes? I've been cataloging all the issues I've experience and how to reproduce them but haven't been able to find a clear direction from the internet on where to help contribute.
[16:03] <slangasek> fginther: interesting, that's actually a newer version than was in saucy.  ok.  And you're just doing a straight invocation of phablet-test-run from the attached host system?
[16:03] <slangasek> fginther: clearly, something is different between the test environment and everybody's local dev environment... we should really pin down what :)  Where could I get a copy of the code / configs used by jenkins for this?
[16:06] <fginther> slangasek, the runner code that jenkins uses is here: lp:~canonical-ci-engineering/jenkins-launchpad-plugin/autopilot-testrunner-touch-saucy
[16:06] <fginther> slangasek, it's executed with "autopilot-testrunner-touch-saucy/mediumtests-runner-touch.sh $ANDROID_SERIAL $packagearchive"
[16:07] <fginther> where packagearchive is the same value used by the jenkins job
[16:09] <fginther> slangasek, we're also flashing the phones with trusty-proposed
[16:11] <slangasek> sure
[16:11] <plars> achiang, sfeole: ping
[16:18] <achiang> plars: hi
[16:19] <plars> achiang: Just trying to followup on the customized test failures
[16:19] <plars> achiang: <plars> sfeole: the customizations testsuite seems to have a failure in it: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch_custom/mako/5:20131024:20131024/4803/customizations/
[16:24] <mterry> ogra_, so about the seed change...
[16:24] <mterry> ogra_, Mirv signed off on it
[16:24] <robru> ogra_, yeah
[16:25] <robru> ogra_, and also xnox is demanding it
[16:25] <ogra_> mterry, it had no landing sheet entry, it drops something from the sdk-libs while we promise backwards compatibility
[16:25] <xnox> robru: i'm sorry, demanding what?
[16:25] <robru> xnox, demanding we drop that openal dep off qtmultimedia before seeding webbrowser-app
[16:25] <mterry> ogra_, https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy-noaudioengine/+merge/185568 is where Mirv commented, back rijght before saucy shipped, but it was too soon and we deferred to trusty
[16:25] <ogra_> mterry, we cant just drop stuff from the API without at least having a public discussion about it
[16:26] <ogra_> (i admit that it is unlikely that anyone uses the stuff you dropped yet)
[16:26] <ogra_> mterry, i know, i was involved at least three times with this now
[16:26] <xnox> robru: i don't demand that. you pinged about seed change again, when it is blocked on dropping reverse-dependencies which were NACKed from main.
[16:26] <ogra_> (as many others were)
[16:27] <xnox> robru: if anyone demands it, it was the Ubuntu M.I. team (Main Inclusion team)
[16:27] <mterry> robru, yeah, I'm probably the driver behind hating on openal
[16:27] <infinity> mterry isn't the only one there.
[16:27] <robru> xnox, ok fine, but you explicitly disapproved my MP, implicitely agreeing with those deps being dropped
[16:27] <xnox> robru: please stop asking about seed changes, until reverse-dependcies are either pass M.I.R. process to be included into main, or are no longer required to seed webbrowser-app.
[16:28] <xnox> robru: i did not review dropping the deps branches, nor approved it.
[16:28] <cjwatson> (You mean dependencies, not reverse-dependencies)
[16:28] <infinity> robru: Changing seeds without a completed and approved MIR just plain can't happen.  This is why I reverted it the last time it happened.
[16:28] <ogra_> robru, mterry, nobody wants to keep the deps in ... the way you did it was just wrong
[16:28] <mterry> xnox, no,  he's not pushing for the seed change you NACK'd, he's pushing for the other seed change, to stop qtaudioengine from being in the sdk
[16:28] <xnox> robru: please, don't twist my actions.
[16:29] <mterry> ogra_, OK, I concede that I didn't go through landing sheet...  I viewed the upload from my ubuntu-devel perspective, not ubuntu-touch
[16:29] <ogra_> robru, mterry, we cant promise API stability to our app devs and silently drop pieces from the API ... and especially robru as landing team member should know that it needs a slot on the landing pipeline that needs approval before changing touch package
[16:29] <xnox> mterry: hm, it's not a seed changed, qtmultimedia is getting pulled into main by browser-app, and thus it needs to stop building qtaudioengine from that source package at least.
[16:29] <mterry> ogra_, but what public discussion do you want?
[16:29] <xnox> mterry: there is a merge proposal to drop building qtaudioengine all together.
[16:29] <robru> xnox, what twist? do you deny the 'disapprove' review you put on my MP?
[16:29] <ogra_> mterry, i have no idea, i think thats something our mgmt needs to define, this wont be the last API change
[16:29] <xnox> robru: i did not implicitely agree nor approve dropping deps.
[16:29] <mterry> ogra_, I thought click packages were targeted at a platform?  So 13.10 targeted stuff will still be fine
[16:29] <mterry> ogra_, and anything that targets 14.04 will know it won't have audioengine
[16:30] <ogra_> mterry, trusty still uses the 13.10 API definition
[16:30] <ogra_> up to now
[16:30] <mterry> xnox, yeah I know about that the stop-building-qtaudionengine merge, it's blocked on this seed change I'm trying to make that just got reverted
[16:31] <xnox> mterry: I see. i was not aware of that seed change =)
[16:31] <mterry> xnox, we need sdk-libs to stop depending on qtaudioengine before we can stop building it
[16:31] <ogra_> mterry, i dont think its up to us to define some process for this, a process how to remove/add bits to the API needs to be defined by someone though
[16:31] <xnox> ok.
[16:31] <mterry> xnox, right, there are two seed changes.  One to drop qtaudioengine, one to bring in browser.  first domino we're working on is the qtaudioengine one
[16:32] <xnox> mterry: i'm not sure why. sdk-libs are in universe at the moment. So one can split qtaudioengine package into main & universe sources, and the universe portion will build qtaudioengine.
[16:32] <mterry> ogra_, well...  why does trusty use 13.10 API?  We will switch to 14.04 right?
[16:32] <xnox> mterry: similar has been done e.g. with boost, to keep _all_ of boost, but have mpi parts in universe.
[16:32] <ogra_> mterry, at some poitn, yes
[16:32] <mterry> xnox, we could split the source, but eventually sdk-libs will be in main too (I think this cycle?) and we'd want to drop qtaudioengine then anyway
[16:33] <infinity> xnox: The goal is for touch stuff to all make it to main, so splits don't really help them.
[16:33] <xnox> mterry: that way qtaudioengine / SDK API levels can be kept out of "webbrowser-app in main"
[16:33] <mterry> xnox, only rdepend is sdk-libs
[16:33] <ogra_> mterry, there is also no point in arguing with me, i was only the executive part here ... the request came from this mornings landing team meeting due to the missing approval
[16:33]  * mterry is not used to these layers of beaurocracy
[16:34] <mterry> that's not how you spell that...
[16:34] <ogra_> mterry, no, but rob is part of the team that does the decidion
[16:34] <mterry> ogra_, well...  why didn't they approve then?  just lack of an entry in landing sheet?
[16:34]  * mterry looks at landing shee
[16:34] <mterry> t
[16:35] <ogra_> mterry, well, each change requires that the respective AP tests have been run against it before it gets even uploaded
[16:35] <ogra_> (that will hopefully change after the client sprint)
[16:35] <cjwatson> ogra_: we should probably change that ASAP to be honest, and just not promise stability for it
[16:36] <ogra_> cjwatson, define "that" ?
[16:36] <cjwatson> 17:32 <mterry> ogra_, well...  why does trusty use 13.10 API?  We will switch to 14.04 right?
[16:36] <ogra_> yeah
[16:36] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, we also need to define some kind of process how things are added/removed if we promise stability
[16:36] <mterry> ogra_, I didn't think we did promise stability
[16:36] <ogra_> asac, was in this mornings meeting and i expect him to bring that topic up at the client sprint
[16:37] <cjwatson> maybe, but I think we just shouldn't promise stability for 14.04 until 14.04 release
[16:37] <cjwatson> it should be a fairly obvious thing ...
[16:37] <cjwatson> that said, we presumably want to keep providing the 13.10 API, which means continuing to ship its constituent packages
[16:38] <cjwatson> we probably need to figure out how to track that properly in seeds and such
[16:38] <genii> On phablet-flash " This step can take a very long time." ... how long to safely wait before assuming it didn't take? It's been sitting 3 hours now.
[16:38] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I've been wondering about that tbh
[16:38] <cjwatson> (everyone assured me that this was not a problem so now they get to live up to their promises)
[16:38] <ogra_> heh
[16:38] <jdstrand> cjwatson: eg apps in the appstore are use the 13.10 framework. will the device have multiple frameworks?
[16:39] <cjwatson> that was the plan
[16:39] <cjwatson> the provisional idea was to only drop frameworks after an LTS
[16:39] <jdstrand> ok, then there is no problem per se (on my end-- ie, my questions are answered by that one alone)
[16:40] <jdstrand> I do wonder how tightly I'll couple apparmor policy to the framework though
[16:40] <genii> I guess I'll assume 3 hours isn't long enough and wait another hour.
[16:40]  * jdstrand will keep thinking about it
[16:41] <mterry> ogra_, OK, so I added an entry in landing sheet.  Is there anything else you need me to do?
[16:41] <ogra_> genii, for a mako its about 15min  for the whole process, for maguro its close to 30
[16:41] <cjwatson> At three hours it's unlikely to still be actually running.  I've occasionally had to "adb reboot recovery" when that hangs
[16:41] <robru> jdstrand, cjwatson, xnox, ogra_: ok then? so we agree enough to drop qtaudioengine from the seeds so that we can proceed to drop it from the package build, so that we can proceed to seed webbrowser-app? are we done with the stop energy now please?
[16:41] <genii> Mako here
[16:41] <cjwatson> robru: I'm not clued up enough to answer the specific question here
[16:42] <cjwatson> robru: Also I'm pretty sure I didn't produce any stop energy in this so perhaps you could level your criticisms elsewhere
[16:42] <ogra_> robru, talk to the landing team ... i really dont care, i just executed what i was asked for today and tried to add a descriptive changeloge entry about the concerns
[16:42] <robru> cjwatson, my goal is to seed webbrowser-app in main, but it's blocked by qtaudioengine. nobody wants qtaudioengine in main, but certain people are blocking me from being able to kill it, either
[16:43] <cjwatson> robru: I'm aware of that but I'm not going to be able to give you a decision and I'm not blocking you
[16:43] <robru> ogra_, i'm on the landing team!
[16:43] <cjwatson> So please stop levelling criticism at me :P
[16:43] <xnox> robru: from MIR point of view qtaudioengine doesn't qualify as it stands today, dropping qtaudioengine from ubuntu-sdk is for the touch/SDK team to decide on. So somebody needs to orchestrate how to deal with the fallout.
[16:43] <ogra_> robru, i know
[16:43] <robru> cjwatson, sorry, not you, fine, i'm just very frustrated about this issue.
[16:43] <xnox> robru: cause e.g. myself ogra cjwatson jdstrand don't have much say what is in SDK, or specifically dropped from it.
[16:44] <robru> xnox, ogra_: nobody from the SDK team has ever disapproved this idea
[16:44] <xnox> robru: and touch/ci/landing-teams are working hard to gatekeep disruptive changes and halt them. Breaking SDK API is one of major changes.
[16:44] <ogra_> robru, i dont disapprove the idea at all
[16:45] <xnox> robru: well, as per all of above, clearly it wasn't communicated to landing team.
[16:45] <xnox> robru: and it's rather approval, then "disapproval" we are looking here for =)
[16:45] <genii> Ah, the USB port went into suspend. Woke it up now and it's progressing.
[16:46] <ogra_> robru, though let me tell you that i as someone who spent several hours sicne the first request for that completely unfinished MIR a week before release came in start getting annoyed by its reoccurence as well
[16:47] <ogra_> it would really be nice if the preparation work could be done before it comes up the next time so we dont have multiple people burning tehir work hours over it
[16:50] <sil2100> bfiller: hi!
[16:51] <sil2100> bfiller: could you take a look and review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/hide-toolbar/+merge/192727 ?
[16:51] <sil2100> bfiller: oSoMoN is also preparing a similar merge for gallery-app
[16:51] <sil2100> bfiller: we'd need this fixed as otherwise we cannot release anything from the application stack
[16:52] <oSoMoN> sil2100, does the app stack include the uitk?
[16:53] <sil2100> oSoMoN: no, UITK is part of the SDK stack, so it's a different 'set'
[16:54] <oSoMoN> sil2100, in that case the apps stack shouldn’t be blocked, this is a "regression" in the uitk, the apps stack should work with the current release of the uitk
[16:55] <sil2100> oSoMoN: sadly, the apps stack is dependent on the SDK stack
[16:55] <sil2100> oSoMoN: so since SDK was built first, then the apps stack is built using the newest SDK - so that we know that we can release SDK without breaking the applications
[16:56] <oSoMoN> sil2100, got it
[16:56] <oSoMoN> sil2100, but what should be blocked is the sdk stack release, not the apps stack release
[16:56] <spreadsheet> hello
[16:57] <sil2100> oSoMoN: in a way, we could of course release only Apps, but since we want to be able to release everything at once, one thing blocks another
[16:58] <oSoMoN> sil2100, understood. Releasing everything at once is more complicated though, maybe we could consider decoupling the two stacks as far as releasing is concerned?
[17:00] <ogra_> beuno, so i tried from two different machines now, seems uploading click packages to the store does always fail with http/400 atm
[17:01] <ogra_> (unless there is something with my account)
[17:01]  * ogra_ wonders if anyone heard about server issues lately 
[17:03] <sil2100> oSoMoN: we might discuss that, but I guess since the apps use the SDK, the dependency is important
[17:03] <sil2100> But anyway, thanks! I need to EOD now sadly
[17:03] <sil2100> See you next week!
[17:03] <sil2100> Have a nice weekend guys
[17:11] <achiang> plars: hi, my computer locked up and i lost irc scrollback. did you need something from me? :-/
[17:13] <plars> achiang: Just trying to followup on the customized test failures
[17:13] <plars> achiang: <plars> sfeole: the customizations testsuite seems to have a failure in it: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch_custom/mako/5:20131024:20131024/4803/customizations/
[17:13] <achiang> plars: ok, and you need someone to take a look at the failure?
[17:14] <achiang> cwayne: ^^
[18:02] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> Hi!
[18:03] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> I'd like to install Ubuntu OS on my non-android tablet/
[18:03] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> Can I?
[18:07] <genii> HowDoIGoAboutThi: Probably not, since it uses some of Cyanogenmod underneath
[18:07] <ssweeny> plars, i'll take a look at the customizations failure
[18:07] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> Can i not just install Ubuntu and then a different skin?
[18:07] <plars> thanks ssweeny
[18:08] <mfisch> ssweeny: plars: thats a known issue that sfeole is discussing with andy
[18:08] <mfisch> sfeole owns that one
[18:08] <ssweeny> ah, great
[18:09] <plars> mfisch: ok - doanac do you know anything about the status?
[18:09] <doanac> plars: i just know he was seeing a webbrowser test failure
[18:09] <mfisch> last I knew it was because the phone wasnt being re-provisioned
[18:10] <mfisch> we need to talk to sfeole
[18:10] <plars> doanac: no, the webbrowser one went away on retry
[18:10] <doanac> plars: ah - then its something new
[18:10] <plars> doanac: this is the tests that just run in the customized image
[18:10] <plars> ok, mfisch ^
[18:12] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: if it has open-source graphics drivers for GL, you can port just straight ubuntu on to it. You will then need to bring up Mir to work on top of it to give you graphics output. But otherwise it's possible.
[18:12] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: before using android portions, we did have "ubuntu deskotp on nexus7" which didn't use any android stuff. We recompiled the kernel and used binary drivers and did work good enough.
[18:13] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: not everything was possbile: e.g. no GPS, accelometer. But it did work.
[18:13] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: you do need kernel sources or binaries, unlocked bootloader, tools to flash custom image, and/or sourcecode or coding skills to do it.
[18:13] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> xnox: My tablet has an intel processor and everything like a real PC (designed to run WebOS I believe)
[18:13] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: porting non android devices is far easier and fairly straight forward process.
[18:14] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: that makes things much easier. We don't compile touch images for i386, but you should be able to boot normal ubuntu desktop with it.
[18:14] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> Yes that is
[18:14] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: once you get far you'll be able to run unity8 with possibly some packages recompiled, which is trivially to do in a PPA.
[18:15] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: one caveat is that e.g. our qt is compiled for GL on i386/amd64, not for GLES, but that's easy to recompile.
[18:16] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> So 1. I download Ubuntu & install it. 2. I remove all graphics packages. 3. compile mir? (how?) 4. Done?
[18:17] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: 1. get a kernel for your device. 2. Get ubuntu rootfs - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core 3. boot into command-line from that tarball 4. bring up networking drivers / network connectivity
[18:17] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: 5. install as many packages as possible, until it breaks =)
[18:18] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: installing ubuntu-desktop would be interesting experience.
[18:18] <xnox> (package that is)
[18:18] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: if it's linux based, the kernel sources and or binaries must be available off somewhere!
[18:18] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> I can run windows 8, so ubuntu desktop works just as well.
[18:18] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: how does it boot? UEFI 32-bit only? if that is locked, you won't be able to install ubuntu on it.
[18:19] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> Not locked!
[18:19] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: what's the model? machine?
[18:19] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> Will look that up now. One minute.
[18:21] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> xnox: It is called a WeTab. It has an Intel Atom chip. 32GB Hard Drive and 3G
[18:21] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> *chip should be processor*
[18:21] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> xnox: It is built by Medion, a company from germanu
[18:21] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> xnox: It is built by Medion, a company from germany
[18:22] <xnox> HowDoIGoAboutThi: with that one, it should be running linux already... so you should be able to get a terminal on it, and like chroot into unpacked ubuntu-core tarball.
[18:22] <sfeole> plars, doanac :  I added some debug into the test this week, and found that the hashsum is changing of the bookmarks schema file.  This could be the reason why our test is failing.   Can we possibly modify the process so that our suite runs independently of all of the touch tests ?  if not , could we modify it so that it runs first before touch tests
[18:22] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> xnox: Installed Windows 8 :P
[18:23] <sfeole> plars, doanac : sorry for the late reply i'm busy with other tasks this week
[18:24] <genii> HowDoIGoAboutThi: Apparently those tablets can already run MeeGo, so installing another linux like Ubuntu shouldn't be too painful
[18:24] <HowDoIGoAboutThi> no. It's very easy.
[18:24] <doanac> sfeole: you are already running as the first test after provisioning: http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/Touch/view/Ubuntu%20Touch%20Master%20Jobs/job/trusty-touch_custom-mako-smoke-master/
[18:26] <sfeole> doanac: ok,  good to know. Well I'm working on it, will be making changes in the future
[19:25] <Revan> Hey does anyone know where to get a toro version (if there is one) for my galaxy nexus?
[19:52] <AskUbuntu> How to install Ubuntu on pattern locked Jelly bean tablet? | http://askubuntu.com/q/365836
[20:06] <ssweeny> plars, that customization test result you linked to earlier... unless i'm reading it wrong there are no failures there
[20:08] <plars> ssweeny: odd
[20:08] <plars> ssweeny: there was one when I looke earlier
[20:08] <ssweeny> plars, it says 100% pass rate
[20:08] <plars> ssweeny: looks like it got rerun a few times
[20:08] <ssweeny> ah
[20:08] <plars> ssweeny: http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/trusty-touch_custom-mako-smoke-customizations/8/ has the failure
[20:08] <plars> ssweeny: maybe it doesn't fail every time, but it seems to have failed most of the time, unless something changed in between those runs
[20:08] <fishscene> AskUbuntu: You'll need to unlock it somehow. There's no way to flash Ubuntu-Touch onto a device that won't let you flash.
[20:09] <ssweeny> plars, i can't get it to fail when i run locally though
[20:09] <plars> ssweeny: doesn't look like there was any change in the branch pulled
[20:09] <plars> psivaa: did you rerun that?
[20:10] <plars> ssweeny: ah, no sfeole  did - nm psivaa
[20:11] <ssweeny> plars, the console output for that build has a YAML parsing error
[20:13] <plars> ssweeny: usually that's caused by some other problem... actually it looks like 1 less test got run
[20:13] <plars> ssweeny: maybe sfeole disabled one of the tests?
[20:13] <ssweeny> plars, yeah i just checked the code and sfeole commented out one of the tests
[20:13] <plars> ssweeny: that explains it
[20:14] <ssweeny> plars, should we be concerned about the YAML thing?
[20:18] <sfeole> ssweeny: i disabled the test for now, until we got to the bottom of it
[20:19] <ssweeny> sfeole, right, but there's a parsing error that has to do with that test
[20:19] <ssweeny> not sure if it's a big deal
[20:21] <ssweeny> sfeole, if you look at http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/trusty-touch_custom-mako-smoke-customizations/8/console right at the bottom there's an error as it tries to run the webbrowser test
[20:22] <sfeole> ssweeny: you should be looking at this log : http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/trusty-touch_custom-mako-smoke-customizations/7/console
[20:22] <sfeole> ssweeny: build 8 was a fat finger on my part which autopilot burped when i built the tests in jenkins
[20:22] <ssweeny> sfeole, ah
[20:22] <ssweeny> ok
[20:23] <sfeole> ssweeny: so in the buld7 console logs search for : share/webbrowser-app/bookmarks.sqlite   and you will see the failure
[20:24] <ssweeny> sfeole, yeah i found it, thanks
[20:24] <ssweeny> sfeole, did this just start failing on trusty or was it always like this?
[20:25] <sfeole> ssweeny: is was failing before the transition to trusty
[20:25] <ssweeny> ok
[20:33] <Roger__> hi
[20:33] <Roger__> I recently downloaded facebook ubuntutouch app
[20:33] <Roger__> I'm trying to compile and get this error
[20:33] <Roger__> "/ubuntu-facebook-app/ubuntu-facebook-app.qml:74 ToolbarActions is not a type"
[20:34] <Roger__> I'm using Ubuntu 13.10 with latest SDK
[20:44] <fishscene> I'm having issues flashing to Nexus 7 2012 (grouper). I'm now attempting to flash the google factory image so I can start all over again. However, it seems fastboot is having issues detecting that my Nexus 7 is plugged in.
[20:44] <fishscene> Any ideas?
[20:45] <ssweeny> plars, is there any way to get the contents of the phone file sysatem after a test is run? or is it all wiped immediately?
[20:46] <ssweeny> plars, specifically i mean the contents of the device jenkins is using
[20:46] <plars> ssweeny: the entire contents?
[20:46] <ssweeny> plars, well i really just want one file
[20:46] <plars> ssweeny: it would be easier to just run it locally
[20:46] <plars> ssweeny: which file?
[20:47] <ssweeny> plars, /home/phablet/.local/share/webbrowser-app/bookmarks.sqlite
[20:48] <plars> ssweeny: I can get it for you, but you want it from when it failed right?
[20:48] <ssweeny> plars, something is happening to that file in jenkins but not on my phone
[20:48] <ssweeny> plars, right
[20:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Would there be a compatibility issue with building a UTouch port based on the CM 10.2 codebase available from GitHub?
[20:49] <ssweeny> plars, actually the latest version of that file should be fine since we're just not running that test now. i bet whatever is going wrong is still doing so
[20:51] <ssweeny> plars, /custom/home/.local/share/webbrowser-app/bookmarks.sqlite would be nice too for comparison
[21:10] <plars> ssweeny: they look to be the same size
[21:10] <plars> ssweeny: # cmp bookmarks.sqlite bookmarks.sqlite.custom
[21:10] <plars> bookmarks.sqlite bookmarks.sqlite.custom differ: char 28, line 1
[21:10] <ssweeny> plars, interesting
[21:11] <ssweeny> plars, can you send me those files?
[21:11] <plars> ssweeny: or I can send you the contents
[21:12] <plars> ssweeny: the one in the /custom dir has a few entries in it
[21:12] <plars> ssweeny: the one in the phablet home dir has nothing in it
[21:12] <ssweeny> aha
[21:12] <ssweeny> ok that's what i suspected
[21:12] <ssweeny> but how can that happen? the customization just does a simple copy
[21:12] <plars> ssweeny: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6302897/
[21:13] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: fyi, uploaded #/dev/sdb4      none            swap    sw              0       0
[21:13] <jdstrand> UUID=e11c0705-5aee-479a-b898-271f95012ffd       none            swap    sw              0       0
[21:13] <jdstrand> heh
[21:13] <jdstrand> that is not what I upload
[21:13] <jdstrand> uploaded*
[21:13] <jdstrand> alex-abreu: uploaded apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu 1.0.42 for cordova
[21:13] <plars> root@ubuntu-phablet:/home/phablet/.local/share/webbrowser-app# sqlite3 bookmarks.sqlite
[21:13] <plars> sqlite> select * from bookmarks;
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[21:14] <ssweeny> plars, ok the one in /custom looks right
[21:14] <plars> ssweeny: is something overriding it somewhere?
[21:14] <ssweeny> plars, i can't think of how
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> Would there be a compatibility issue with building a UTouch port based on the CM 10.2 codebase available from GitHub?
[21:15] <ssweeny> it's not wiping $HOME or anything because the other tests pass
[21:17] <ssweeny> plars, you said ours is the first test that runs?
[21:17] <plars> ssweeny: yes
[21:17] <plars> ssweeny: but other things, including the webbrowser test, ran since then
[21:17] <plars> ssweeny: so could be that maybe something later did it
[21:19] <ssweeny> plars, well an empty db would explain our test failure
[21:20] <ssweeny> plars, the test grabs the first row and compares the keys
[21:24] <fishscene> I fixed my flashing issue. Turns out I had to manually run the fastboot commands instead of running them in the script provided by Google. It doesn't make sense at all because the script is exactly what I manually typed in, but it worked.
[21:24] <SonikkuAmerica> !paste | plars
[22:01] <rangergord> Anyone know how many months I'd have to wait on Ubuntu Touch, as a casual consumer, if the only "apps" I care about are: Email, Maps/Navigation, Skype, Web browser, and Youtube?
[22:02] <rangergord> just trying to get an idea
[22:03] <SonikkuAmerica> rangergord: First stable release maybe?
[22:04] <fishscene> Ubuntu-Touch won't be ready until at least the 14.04 release for general consumer use… and so far, I haven't heard *any* word on a maps/navigation app. Browser is already present. I dunno about E-mail status.
[22:04] <SonikkuAmerica> rangergord: At least you can navigate to Google Maps or a similar service via the browser
[22:05] <fishscene> I have a nasty screen flicker problem on my Nexus 7, so I'm unable to investigate much as to the status of apps.
[22:05] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, great thx
[22:05] <rangergord> OK, so 6 more months...
[22:06] <alex-abreu> jdstrand, so available in the next image ?
[22:06] <rangergord> SonikkuAmerica: didn't the first stable release come out last week? Wikipedia says "Latest stable version: 1.0"
[22:06] <SonikkuAmerica> fishscene: I'm building for 2013 Nexus 7, but don't plan on staying long to maintain it if it works
[22:06] <rangergord> that's why I thought to ask
[22:07] <SonikkuAmerica> rangergord: Yes, if you have a Nexus 4 or GNexus
[22:07] <rangergord> I do, N4
[22:07] <rangergord> but email is my primary method of communication, I'll wait for something that gives me notifications
[22:07] <rangergord> I can wait another few months
[22:08] <SonikkuAmerica> rangergord: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[22:08] <rangergord> SonikkuAmerica: I was already there, but I'll wait as fish suggested for 14.04
[22:08] <rangergord> I rely too much on email and navigation in everyday life
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Ah
[22:09] <rangergord> here's hoping UT is a success
[22:34] <joobz> hey guys.. thinking about throwing ubuntu on my HTC One X.. is there a post that shows what will and wont work if i do that?
[22:34] <joobz> last I looked at this about 6 months ago, there were a few features that wouldnt work so i held off
[22:40] <fishscene> joobz: Check out: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices. Note that ubuntu-touch is still a work-in-progress.
[22:40] <joobz> fishscene, yea I bumped into that
[22:40] <joobz> does it have activesync?
[22:41] <joobz> didnt say on that page
[22:41] <joobz> i just really need phone, contacts, calendars and activesync to wokr
[22:44] <fishscene> Yea, I really don't recommend using Ubuntu-Touch if you *need* something to work. Although phone, contacts, and calendar are partially working, by no means are they complete. I don't even know what activesync is - I haven't heard it mentioned in anything related to Ubuntu-Touch.
[22:46] <joobz> ahh ok
[22:46] <joobz> thanks fishscene
[22:46] <joobz> activesync is integration to microsoft exchange for email/contacts/calendars
[23:10] <fishscene> joobz: Ah ok.
[23:19] <cwayne> hm, i can't seem to scroll horizontally in the webbrowser-app
[23:19] <cwayne> weird