[00:01] good luck [07:58] AlanBell: Looking at the question, I think its a bag of worms, there's all sorts of issues, eg where is the organisation starting the crowdfund based, if not uk, then taxes would probably depend on their own countries requirements which if taxed (in the form of VAT in Europe) could mean you'd have to make special claims to get it back, HMRC could argue that even if VAT wasn't charged (eg a product that comes from the US) that an import duty ... [07:59] ... could be payable at point of import into the UK, then there's the whole argument of whether its a donation/gift or purchase etc [08:00] time to lawyer up! [08:01] DJones: yeah, bag of worms is my guess too [08:02] I think it means that crowdfunding is a terrible way to do business to business fundraising/pre-orders [08:02] and I am surprised it isn't something that has been discussed to death already [08:03] For the Canonical example with the phone, where are they registered? I thought it was the Isle of Man, where UK vat laws don't apply (which may be why they weren't going to issue vat invoices) [08:04] http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/viommanual/viom01000.htm UK VAT law does not apply in the IOM but the tax is chargeable under Manx law which generally parallels UK legislation. VAT is collected in the IOM under the Value Added Tax Act 1996 (of Tynwald). No idea how you'd recover that as a UK business though [08:05] they are registered in the UK now [08:05] Register Office: 5th Floor, Blue Fin Building, 110 Southwark Street, London SE1 0SU [08:05] Company Number: 6870835 [08:05] we have more than one company in the group [08:06] and they did say that VAT and import duty was included in the price [08:06] and this isn't really about that specific example === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:07] IN general for a UK organisation they would have to provide a vat invoice "If you are registered for VAT you must give any VAT-registered customers a VAT invoice for any standard-rated or reduced-rated goods or services you sell them." [08:07] I am mainly considering the simple case of a UK VAT registered company doing a crowdfunding that looks like pre-orders and another UK vat registered company looking to take part [08:08] yeah, but is it a sale of goods? [08:08] Thats the "iffy" area [08:09] and how does the offshore funding platform help/hinder the situation? [08:10] I think for the low value "name on a website" rewards it looks more like a kind of donation rather than a product sale [08:10] and to an extent the high value "come and have dinner with the team" type rewards don't look like product sales [08:11] Yeah, I'd agree with that as a principle, however name on website could be argued as a form of advertising by HMRC [08:12] true enough. Some are "give us £10 for our eternal gratitude" which is probably a better example [08:13] The low value could be argued as an investment and not income, with product in return as a sale of goods (by HMRC) [08:13] morning all [08:13] I am not sure that it could be considered an investment [08:13] Good Morning! === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:16] To be honest, I think it would need a VAT specialist on a project by project basis, generally, a donation to a taxable business of any kind is still treated as income from a tax position, so I'd expect the same process to follow through to a vat position, but this the UK, we don't exactly have joined up thinking in tax regulations [08:17] http://www.chrisjonesblog.com/2013/06/are-you-breaking-the-law-by-running-a-crowdfunding-campaign-and-not-declaring-your-income.html [08:19] yeah, if I was running a campaign I would pay for a VAT specialist and contact HMRC [08:19] Yeah, thats pretty much my expectations of the situation, the complication is non-uk crowdfunding organisations and import duties on product sent from overseas [08:20] I have a feeling that it is a sale, but not a purchase [08:22] or maybe the "perk" is the thing that is sold, not the hardware it may or may not contain [08:22] AlanBell: I'd start with the VAT specialist and let them contact HMRC, their initial will view will just be pay us the money, and then expect you to jump through flaming hoops while carrying a glass of petrol while performing a triple summersault with your lawyer and vat specialist sitting on your shoulder before they'd even come back and say no & make you appeal to higher courts, EU regulaters etc [08:22] in which case they should provide VAT receipts [08:23] (Not that they'd make things difficult) [08:23] DJones: yeah, that seems likely, I just don't really want to go to the EU to reclaim £70 or so :) [08:24] Yeah, the advice fee's would probably in the 10's if not 100's of thousands of £ anyway [08:25] Are there any uk based crowdfunding organisations, maybe they have specific advice on their websites [08:26] peoplefund.it [08:26] http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk [08:26] they seem to be B2C focussed [08:27] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_crowd_funding_services [08:29] I am astonished that there is no discussion of VAT in the information for projects [08:30] That does surprise me, also doesn't seem to be any advice on HMRC website either [08:30] indeed, there is a bit about public subscription, but nothing product related [08:31] I guess the idea is so recent that there are legal cases/disputes going through the courts/tribunals and they're just not giving and advice until there's a result in one of those [08:31] various monuments and buildings were funded through public subscription, which is the old form of crowdfunding, but there was no product-like reward [08:31] http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-10-24/crowd-funding-sites-using-loans-face-capital-rules-in-u-dot-k-dot-plan [08:32] AlanBell: well, except for the finished building [08:34] I would have thought that there would be some startups that are not registered, seek £20,000 in funding and get £100,000 putting them over the limit and meaning they need to apply VAT halfway through the funding drive [08:36] and seeing as they have not incurred any cost of goods at the time the sales happen that increases the oddness [08:36] do you guys change vm_swappiness for your desktops? [08:36] or keep the defaults? [08:37] someone cleverer than me set the default [08:38] its a generic setting though. when one size fits all, sometimes no size fits [08:41] mungbean_: I want to decrease swappiness on my VPS [08:41] "The default setting in Ubuntu is swappiness=60. Reducing the default value of swappiness will probably improve overall performance for a typical Ubuntu desktop installation. A value of swappiness=10 is recommended" [08:41] recommended by whom? [08:42] just FYI http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/hackers-compromise-official-php-website-infect-visitors-with-malware/ [08:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#What_is_swappiness_and_how_do_I_change_it.3F [08:42] Sounds like the malware didn't bet that far. [08:42] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy (or should that be grumpy?) Sourest Day! :-D [08:42] why is there a giant picture of a tongue? [08:43] i get that problem on my tongue after eating kiwi fruit or pineapple [08:47] This is an interesting idea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24490331 [08:50] However people like new/shiny every year or so, so unless you're regularly cack handed, you're more likely to replace a phone because its not "the latest model" long before a component breaks (I'm excluding screens in that thought) [08:50] * mungbean_ looks at his 3+ year old phone [08:51] I gotta admit, it looks kinda silly to me [08:55] I can see it making sense, possibly also gives a way of having upgradable phones [08:56] hmmm [08:56] Forced looks like a great game on a quick glance [08:57] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwPC7vV3s6s [08:58] I think that may be in the wrong channel [08:59] FlyingGuy3: a bit random? [08:59] trying out a cool dashboard software called dashing http://dashingdemo.herokuapp.com/sample [09:00] aside from teh windows8 feel, its quite nifty [09:00] it chugs a bit [09:00] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-o3CJytIPE [09:00] is it supposed to freeze for 2 seconds every 3 seconds? [09:01] FlyingGuy3: still more random? [09:01] FlyingGuy3: You realise this is an Ubuntu support & discussion channel? [09:01] ali1234: the dash? no [09:01] but the "fake" data changes every 2 seconds [09:01] so maybe thats your interpretation [09:02] you can send messages to it via curl [09:02] nice for oggcamp type twitter thing on teh side [09:13] that phone thing .. looks like they're breaking out a lot of functionality that's usually all provided by one chip (eg, wifi & bluetooth as seperate modules?) [09:15] shauno: Appears so, wonder whether that increases/decreases manufacturing cost, makes things simpler so theoretically cheaper, but more construction/casing needed so more expensive [09:16] and making the phone twice as big as it needs to be because there's a new subchassis for each and every trick [09:16] it doesn't make things simpler [09:17] the block with the display in it will cost the same as a regular mobile phone, and so will the one with the main cpu [09:17] the other blocks would cost $50-$100 [09:17] except bluetooth, that would cost probably $10 [09:24] the actual circuit board in an iphone looks like a naked usb stick. the fact that they're so heavily integrated is the only reason they fit in our pockets [09:28] the "lego block" phone is a fundamentally stupid idea [09:28] how are you actually going to connect the blocks? [09:29] I wouldn't say stupid, just naive. it seems like a perfectly logical thought process for someone who has no idea what's in there === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [09:35] good morning everyone [09:35] morning [09:36] morning bashrc [09:36] I notice that Final Term now has multiple tabs. Still not ready for prime time though [09:39] hello i have a problem after i used boot-repair to access ubuntu i now can't get back into windows [09:42] i need help plz [09:46] cam [09:46] !grub [09:46] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [09:46] that might help, arc__ [09:46] I appreciate it's the opposite way around, but the second link may be useful [09:47] ok but boot-repair somehow deleted my xp system boot files [09:49] does the partition still exist on which XP is located, arc__? [09:49] yes [09:52] what version of Ubuntu are you using, arc__? [09:52] ubuntu 12.04 lts [09:52] I suggest running 'sudo update-grub2' [09:53] It should search for existing linux kernels and other operating systems and update the menu accordingly. [09:54] check your /boot/grub/grub.cfg file contains a reference to the Windows partition after running it. [09:54] kk [09:57] yea it does [09:58] and does the menu appear when you reboot and have an entry for Windows XP in it? [09:58] yes but that was not the problem [09:58] sorry, I misunderstood [09:58] it was always there [09:59] what happens when you select the option for Windows, then? [09:59] i get hal.dll is missing or corrupt [10:00] you may need to repair the boot.ini file: http://pcsupport.about.com/od/findbyerrormessage/a/missinghaldll.htm [10:09] Morning all [10:13] boot.ini is for old versions of windows [10:13] i.e. 5.x [10:14] includeing xp [10:15] xp is still supported for now :) [10:16] man, 2001. what was i doing in 2001? [10:16] i was... 17? so i think "lots of sex" was a major factor [10:16] I never got around to the "lots of sex" [10:19] i also remember hounding the IT people at uni to find out when XP would be made available gratis to students [10:19] still, a lifetime ago [10:19] what?! [10:19] xp.. gratis?! [10:19] MSDNAA [10:20] for comparison, when XP released, so did Red Hat 7.2 and SuSE 7.3 [10:20] more to the point: you wanted windows?! [10:21] this is irc. nobody ever had lots of sex in here. [10:21] free stuff > no stuff ;) [10:21] Debian 2.2 was still the latest, due to the length of the 3.0 freeze [10:21] except maybe bigcalm tonight [10:21] when i was an undergrad, i was the windows guy in my house [10:21] in 2001 redhat disk set cost £30 [10:21] until around 3rd year [10:22] or was in 1999 [10:22] I was gonna say I'm sure I didn't pay 30 quid for redhat, but then I realised the book it came 'free' with (RH unleashed?) probably cost more than that [10:22] I got a copy of RH5.2 from someone in about 1998, but instead of doing an image of it and copying it the 'correct' way, he copied and pasted all the files [10:22] vmlinu~1.z etc [10:23] mgdm: Well, umsdos ;) [10:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT_filesystem_and_Linux#Data_structures_of_umsdos [10:24] books & magazine covers were my primary way to obtain my 'fix' until I came across mr winters / linuxemporium [10:24] I downloaded Slackware floppies over ISDN [10:24] linuxemporium was awesome back around the minellium [10:24] i went to a shop in cannon st london and bought the 6 disc set of 5.1 [10:26] good old days [10:26] my dad bought the boxed-set of suse 6.smth [10:26] i didn't use linux, beyond early trials. it sucked [10:26] who would pick linux when beos was so much superior? [10:27] :-| [10:27] directhex: totally [10:27] beos never had any support for anything useful (apps) [10:27] directhex: and now you can use Haiku [10:27] i needed a web proxy for the company [10:27] I messed up my slackware within the year, because I didn't know what I was doing when they went from libc5 -> 6 [10:27] diddledan, pfft, minor detail. [10:27] everyone was surfing for smut rather openly [10:27] directhex: it did video, greatguns, though [10:27] 2.0.30 baby 8-) [10:27] all the best OSes have no apps. see also webos! [10:28] this might be interesting to one or two in here .. point-of-sale with rPi & openerp - http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/opensource-your-shop [10:28] i remember my boss saying one friday afternoon, mungbean_ can you relax the filter a bit as i feel like surfing for some filth [10:28] mungbean_: that's a good boss [10:28] whats a bad boss? [10:29] mungbean_: the one that tells you off for surfing for some filfth [10:29] filth** [10:29] mungbean_: one who looks in the company proxy logs, sees people browsing for porn, and reconfigures the proxy to filter "sex" [10:29] where'd that f come from?! [10:29] mungbean_: so when there's a news story with "gasexplosion" in the title.. blocked [10:30] diddledan: from "fifth"? [10:30] I love that essex university regularly featured in blockings [10:30] I didn't have X until 2002-3 .. I was introduced to the net sans-filth [10:31] I really want to be part of the GA Sex-Plosion! [10:31] GA= generally available? [10:31] sex-plosion I'm assuming is .. well .. orgasmic [10:32] put your pants on dan, it's way too early for this [10:32] lol [10:34] isitfriday.net [10:34] this was a company where on my first day, my boss was looking at a website about an alleged couple who chopped up a robber and posted photos, then a stripper came into the office in the afternoon [10:35] cos it was a blokes birthday [10:35] first day of my first job o_O [10:35] i thought is this what working life is all about? [10:35] sounds like an immensely hostile environment for anyone who isn't an over-sexed, unprofessional male [10:35] lots of bullying [10:36] i avoded it by not engaging with the monkeys on the trading floor [10:36] it was a bit like school [10:37] don't get noticed by the bully and don't let him think you are annoyed [10:37] sounds like an immensely hostile environment for anyone who isn't an over-sexed, unprofessional male [10:38] I don't think I'd last in a job like that [10:38] pah that's nothing mungbean_ [10:38] Oldschool - bondage in the boardroom [10:38] :-) [10:38] On that note time to wander into town and get a much needed haircut. [10:38] something for the weekend sir? [10:39] :-D [10:40] bashrc: my friend went to work for the petroleum exchange and lasted one day [10:40] got relentlessly bullied as a form of "initiation" [10:41] different job tho. at the other place i was there to make the IT systems work and didn't engage with the muppets, [10:49] getting the features unlocked on an IBM server is tedious. not really sure what the point of not giving all features to everyone is [10:50] its all there in hardware. [11:08] don't they charge you for the unlocking? [11:08] yes [11:08] but the administration of it all seems hardly worth it [11:09] they are giving us capable hardware, just crippled by choice [11:09] seems loony [11:10] some salesperson's idea [11:10] that's hardly unusual. lets them tier pricing so people who want more, pay more, but without raising their production costs to match [11:11] if the functinoality is there they should just give it rather than attemping to profiteer [11:11] maybe i'm just old fashioned [11:12] so just charge everyone the top-tier price instead of disabling features for people who'd rather pay less? [11:12] george osborne when he is on the news, he always looks like he has something stuck somewhere where something shouldnt be stuck. funny really. [11:13] I agree. That kind of disabled hardware is a slimy sales practice which has gone on for a long time [11:13] intel were thinking of doing it with processors too i think? [11:13] Did anyone see the royal baby photo on the papers this morning? [11:13] I try to avoid royal baby photos [11:13] total non-news. [11:13] i try to avoid papers [11:14] i read private eye. [11:14] William attemping to smile but it looks like the baby poop in his hand or something [11:14] Terrible photo [11:14] I used to read private eye until the recycled jokes became tedious [11:16] bashrc: i find it better than most papers, i tend to only buy traditional papers for the puzzles and dont really read them, however i read private eye. [11:21] intel have been doing it for years, just using resistors on the outside of the chip itself to define the featureset [11:21] Amd too [11:21] And nvidia for thatmatter [11:22] but, eg, should rPi raise their prices across the board? or are you okay with them selling licence keys for the hardware codecs seperately? [11:23] giving choice is a good thing, rather than taking choice away from people. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:26] depends if the minimum price is below the cost of production [11:26] i,.e. can they afford to sell them all at the lowest price, considering they are selling the hardware with all the features already in it [11:27] This, if accurate, is just jaw droppingly bad: http://www.bishopfox.com/blog/2013/10/linkedin-intro/ [11:27] TheOpenSourcerer: is that the mitm-email-thingy? [11:28] I hope it dies a quick death [11:29] I've been praying for linkedin's demise for years. no joy so far [11:29] http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/1p2m1b/linkedin_mitm_attack_wrapped_as_a_mobile_app/ === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [11:35] does it affect outbound mail? wondering if my spamfilter that just junks anything from them would match people who relay their mail through them too [11:36] Shauno: the rPi should be fully open hardware even if the price goes up [11:37] The license key stuff is far from the worst thing that could be hidden in that blob [11:39] And dont guve me any of that "open hardware is impossible" stuff -uzebox? [11:39] shauno: Not from what I read, it's an inline imap proxy [11:39] shauno: I guess maybe if they're sending via imap? [11:41] that bishopfox link has "be aware that outgoing emails receive an additional signature" .. that smells of it being both directions [11:42] Some info at the bottom of this page: http://engineering.linkedin.com/mobile/linkedin-intro-doing-impossible-ios but that still really, really, sucks. [11:42] shauno: Hmm fair enough [11:44] how is that any different to using gmail? [11:44] "Usernames, passwords, OAuth tokens, and email contents are not *permanently* stored anywhere inside LinkedIn data centers. "... define permanent vs temporary. [11:45] If you set up a mail account on symbian phone all your emails go through nokias push server [11:45] You can see it logging in to your gmail on the activity page [11:47] diddledan: easy answer, I don't use gmail either [11:47] shauno: how is it any different to using your vps? [11:48] it's still effectively in someone else's control [11:48] Quite. Which is why crying about gmail is silly [11:48] It is no better or worse than anything else [11:49] I don't mind my vps because I can up & move somewhere else relatively easily [11:50] definition of lazy is knowing i have to wash up my glass but only doing it 1 minute before using it rather than after using it. still the same number of washings but i can never do it :( [11:50] TheOpenSourcerer: Oh well, all your emails go to other mail servers anyway. [11:50] Yes but they tend not to be "injected". [11:50] the question is why?? [11:51] So they can recommend new contacts for you ;-) [11:51] Maintaining my own server. A horrid thought. (fastmail.fm is so useful, compared to that; you can make aliases and discard them at will, and for the main one, it's sufficiently rich-featured.) [11:51] As if you haven't got enough already! [11:51] It's easy to move of gmail. The only thing stopping me is there is nothing even close to as good [11:51] zimbra v9 [11:52] lol: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXaKplOCAAAyxbU.jpg:large [11:52] Or zentyal [11:52] my zimbra server served 250 users with 0 seconds of unscheduled downtime over 4 years [11:52] the only scheduled downtimes were small updates or major upgrades which went smoothly [11:52] I live in Golf Courses :-) [11:54] by that account, I've lived in winter, buckfast, rain, and I'm now "complicated". no wonder I don't miss the UK that much :) [11:58] Ive lived in the "Its complicated" part of that map, which incidentally isnt the UK, and if you say it is they get very angry :P :P [11:59] what does london say? [12:00] bankers, hipsters, riots [12:00] Like "Not normal" lol [12:00] should probably have a map of its own [12:02] an englishman, an irishman and a scotsman walk into a bar.. [12:03] its freshers week and they are house sharing and haven't found frineds of their own yet [12:04] did anyone see that programme called freshers with a guy called forrest? [12:04] can't believe his parents named him that after the film. [12:07] YAY HOGWARTS! [12:07] \o/ [12:07] random [12:08] not realy. [12:08] realLy. [12:08] Myrtti: I saw this and thought of our conversation yesterday about the "Hello, this is dog!" meme: http://i.imgur.com/5dKd0Zn.jpg [12:09] there is Hogwarts on that map [12:09] apparently at this vets you can get a portrait for $30 [12:09] ah, couldnt read all the small print [12:10] is the centre of a choc orange the best bit or the worst bit? [12:10] that crumbly middle bit [12:20] ali1234: https://dukgo.com/help/en_US/features/email [12:23] speaking of email, 186 emails while I was at lunch. oops. [12:23] what broke? [12:26] funny how guns get discovered every day but never reported, but police disocver a half printed 3d gun and it makes the news [12:26] I'd be more worried if the police discover a stash of 2d or maybe 4d guns [12:27] 2d? children drew them on paper? [12:27] imagine how easy it would be to conceal a 2d gun [12:27] rub it out with eraser [12:27] no more bulky holsters, just wrap it around your leg instead [12:28] aww my spare camera isn't working powershot s45 anyone? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:40] I dunno, I'm reading that what they found were actually parts for a printer [12:43] "The "trigger" identified by police appears to be part of a MakerBot 3D printer designed to extrude 3D-printing plastic to make an object, and the "clip" looks like a part intended to hold spools of plastic." [12:50] lol [12:56] better not try and print that spud gun then === hayden is now known as Devilsolution [13:33] anyone else get the situation where chrome doesn't respond to left clicks on links? [13:34] only when a key is stuck, mungbean_ [13:34] hmm [13:34] restarted browser [13:34] still no worky [13:37] hmm just on vmware site [13:43] dwatkins: http://imgur.com/gallery/2MmvpGR [13:45] haha [13:46] lol [13:46] i love dog face [13:49] doge ♥ [13:49] just had to call my insurer to ask them not to auto renew my policy because i'd already got a cheaper policy....with the same insurer. [13:50] fail [13:50] mungbean_: I was told to cancel mine by the sale lady and do it online as I'd get it £50 cheaper [13:51] sales* [13:51] effectively what happened to me [13:51] close but no meerkat [13:51] merrkat price was £20 more [13:51] simples [13:51] and i already have 2 meerakts [13:51] my dog hates them [13:51] wants to eat them [13:52] squirrels and meerkats are her nemesis [13:53] I went with Tescos last year, they dropped the price by £80 without me pestering them this year, so thought I wouldn;t bother looking around. [13:53] win [13:53] i think car insruance got cheaper this year all round [13:53] got £80 cheaper also [13:53] loading esxi 5.5 [13:54] \o/ [13:54] Anyone else getting their notifiers as a weird coloured text box top left, instead of a pretty shaded textbox top right? [13:54] Can't run my esx server as no aircon and it gets roasting hot :( [13:54] get a new job ;) [13:55] or switch off some old crap [13:55] is this at home or werk? [13:56] Work, it was an open area, now put a wall in [13:56] No where for the hot air to escape, it's just getting it organised.. and yes seriously would like a new job :) [13:56] bah, my DVI splitter doesn't work on the Raspberry Pi. [13:57] diplo: are you in bristol? [13:57] i need RES style tagging for irc [13:58] Well just outside bath but close yeah [13:59] I used to have a script for irssi that colourized people's nicks based on a hash of their name or some such [13:59] nickcolor [13:59] thassit [13:59] yeah, I use nick_color.pl [13:59] i need to add notes based on a person though [14:00] e.g. barry - likes pies and beer [14:00] you can set custom colours and save them, although it doesn't extend to the adding of an underscore to someone's name... [14:00] I keep meaning to integrate irssi with notifier, sure I saw something out there at one point [14:01] diplo: yeah, there's a script which calls notifier, although it's a bit old, so might not work with recent ubuntus. [14:01] diplo: http://thorstenl.blogspot.ie/2007/01/thls-irssi-notification-script.html [14:01] ta [14:03] That wasn't what I looked at, but may give it a go though [14:08] http://code.google.com/p/irssi-libnotify/ [14:09] irssinotifier works well also. [14:10] I did set up a notifier script at one point which used an ssh login to pipe the notifications from my mahcine at home to work. [14:15] LSI webbios, most hideous thing i've ever seen [14:16] looks like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3-0DpFrp48 [14:16] designed to make configuring RAID unfathomable by non standard terms [14:18] brobostigon: on android? [14:19] mungbean_: yep. [14:19] how's it with battery? [14:20] Seems to use Googles notifying system mungbean_ so not any worse than normal alerts [14:20] From what I've just ready [14:20] -y [14:21] hmm [14:21] probably be a bit distracting for me [14:22] dekstop alerts easier to ignore [14:22] Was thinking the same [14:22] I have it on only when I'm away (ie. detached my tmux) [14:22] and not on every channel [14:22] ah clever [14:23] otherwise audible bell is notification enough [14:23] that and the wiggling terminator icon on the bar [14:23] most of my irc convo is frivolous [14:23] about crisps and haribo [14:24] twitter feed for fogies [14:24] mmmm, haribo [14:24] I use Twitter to store my links. [14:25] delicious is for that [14:27] didn't they get hacked and close down? [14:28] maybe it was anothe site. or they had a crash and no backups [14:29] http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/02/19/magnolia-data-is-gone-for-good/ [14:29] magnolia [14:29] I used to use that too [14:32] i stopped using bookmarks when chrome nad firefox relegated bookamrks as a concept [14:32]