[05:14] <Kilos> morning all
[06:04] <Squirm> morning
[06:04] <Kilos> hi Squirm mazal 
[06:07] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[06:10] <bduk1> morning Kilos and everyone
[06:12] <Kilos> i forgot to tell mazal to try when booting to do a recovery from an earlier kernel version or earlier upgrade
[06:14] <bduk1> Ill tell him
[06:15] <Squirm> I love our internet
[06:15]  * Kilos jealous
[06:15] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[06:16] <Xethron> Hello Kilos
[06:17] <Squirm> I must have downloaded close on 20Gb last night
[06:17] <Kilos> wow
[06:17] <Kilos> what do you download that is so big
[06:34] <Squirm> stuff :P
[06:35] <Kilos> hehe
[06:35] <Squirm> need more hdd space
[06:35] <Kilos> whew
[06:37] <Kilos> you now in the 3TB league
[06:38] <Squirm> I fulled up 2x1Tb drives
[06:38] <Squirm> so yes, just breaching into it
[06:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:42] <Squirm> I want to invest in a 256Gb SSD
[06:43] <Kilos> i looked at prices the other day they arent cheap
[06:44] <Kilos> and i dunno if they will last as long as mechanical drives
[06:44] <Kilos> did find anything on their reliability
[06:44] <Kilos> didnt
[06:46] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:46] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:47] <mazal> oom Kilos , re that remastersys , the only thing I can think of that makes the iso too big is if you have big files somewhere in folders that is included in the iso
[06:47] <mazal> I once had that when I had video files in my www folder for my website
[06:49] <mazal> Also make sure all externals and possible mounted network drives are not mounted
[06:49] <Kilos> sjoe ive looked everywhere, my /home shows as 1.3g so i dont know where its finding all the stuff
[06:49] <Kilos> grrr
[06:50] <Kilos> if you look there is it wanting to add the /storage partition?
[06:50] <Kilos> i save most stuff to the /storage
[06:51] <mazal> Unmount all "extra" partitions
[06:51] <mazal> Externals
[06:51] <mazal> Network drives
[06:51] <Kilos> no externals
[06:52] <Kilos> i really want it to work because this 12.04 is fully upgraded and works lekker
[06:52] <mazal> Check with boabab what folders have big data and investigate those folders if it is unneeded data
[06:53] <mazal>  Folders /home and apt cache is not included in the iso so don't worry about that one
[06:53] <Kilos> ok ty lemme see if i can find the prob
[06:54] <Kilos> i looked at that report but couldnt work out what all it is trying to use
[06:54] <Kilos> and im using the iso option not the backup one
[06:55] <Kilos> anyway mazal have you tried a recovery from an earlier upgrade
[06:55] <mazal> Nah , I'll suffer and hope the next update will fix it :P
[06:55] <Kilos> in the grub boot menu
[06:55] <mazal> Too busy to struggle with things that don't work
[06:55] <Kilos> ah
[06:56] <mazal> On the next boot I'll just boot with previous kernel and see
[06:56] <mazal> If that works I'll use the previous kernel until next kernel update
[06:59] <Squirm> Kilos: they aren't cheap
[07:00] <Squirm> but, they give you the best percent performance increase for your money spend
[07:00] <Squirm> s/spend/spent
[07:00] <Squirm> and I'm sure they'll be more reliable - no moving parts
[07:00] <Kilos> thats why i looked for the performance side
[07:01] <Kilos> they look good 
[07:02] <Squirm> “There has never been a better time to invest in SSD technology. The price having reached below R13.26/GB not only makes SSDs more affordable but as the test shows, they are in fact the best value/performance upgrade,” said Kirsty Miller, Consumer Marketing Manager EMEA.
[07:03] <Kilos> 13.26*256
[07:03] <Kilos> Maaz, 13.26*256
[07:03] <Maaz> Kilos: 3394.56
[07:03] <Kilos> cant be so much
[07:03] <Squirm> and, http://mybroadband.co.za/news/reviews/58093-kingston-hyperx-3k-240gb-ssd-review.html Shows a comparison between a SSD and a Hybrid drive
[07:04] <Squirm> the SSD kicks the hybrid drive off the table
[07:04] <Squirm> nah
[07:04] <Squirm> maybe R1.2k for a 256Gb
[07:04] <Squirm> might be cheaper now
[07:04] <Kilos> just reliability then. old drives just keep going
[07:04] <Squirm> not if you're moving around
[07:04] <Squirm> my desktop moves a lot
[07:05] <Kilos> sjoe you can get 2TB for that price
[07:05] <Kilos> aha
[07:05] <Kilos> i go feed sheep quick
[07:07] <Squirm> I can get a 3Tb for that price
[07:08] <Squirm> but I have enough hdd space - I need more performance
[07:08] <Squirm> my old dual core needs to be faster
[07:15] <Kilos> lol
[07:16] <Kilos> save up for an i7
[07:16] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[07:25] <Squirm> going to buy myself a new PC next year
[07:25] <Squirm> finished paying off my car end of next month
[07:30] <Kilos> great
[08:03] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:06] <psyatw> good morning inetpro
[08:14] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:14] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[08:14] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> hellos
[08:37] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:45] <Kilos> wbb
[09:23] <Kilos> ty mazal unmounting that /storage sorted the prob
[09:50] <mazal> Remstersys doesn't know what it is and include it as part of the system
[09:50] <Kilos> crazy but good to know ty
[09:57] <Kilos> ai!
[09:57] <Kilos> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Insufficient permissions in target directory.. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[10:03] <Kilos> heres the debugging output
[10:03] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20sEDTqTn
[10:03] <Kilos> has my writer packed up?
[10:05] <Kilos> or must i chown something
[10:06] <Kilos> grrr
[10:16] <mazal> That's why I always mount to either my home folder or inside /media. Neither of those folders are included in the iso
[10:17] <Kilos> ya but ive made a remastersys iso here before and burned to dvd, now k3b and brasero spit out the dvds
[10:18] <Kilos> princo dvd-r
[10:18] <Kilos> splinter nuut
[10:22] <superfly> ohi Kilos
[10:22] <Kilos> hehe hi zerlgi 
[10:22] <superfly> yo ThatGraemeGuy, inetpro, mazal, psyatw, Squirm
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> aloha
[10:23] <mazal> o/
[10:24] <zerlgi> Yo ola
[10:24] <zerlgi> Hi there. Any of y'all coming thru to Stellenbosch for Saucy party?
[10:24] <mazal> That doesn't sound good :)
[10:24] <mazal> " saucy party " hehehehe
[10:24] <psyatw> hi superfly
[10:24] <psyatw> hi mazal
[10:25] <psyatw> hi zerlgi
[10:28] <zerlgi> yip. I intentionally left out the salamander.
[10:28] <zerlgi> Greets psyatw
[10:28] <Kilos> hehe
[10:30]  * zerlgi greets kilos superfly mazal thatgraemeguy
[10:31] <zerlgi> maaz please wave at Kilos
[10:31] <Maaz> zerlgi: Excuse me?
[10:31] <Kilos> haha
[10:31] <zerlgi> Maaz tell Kilos: Ola
[10:31] <Maaz> zerlgi: I don't know who Kilos: is. Say 'Kilos: on freenode' and I'll take your word that Kilos: exists
[10:31] <Kilos> oh my why is he acting stupid
[10:36] <zerlgi> I thought M would actually send you a message.
[10:36] <Kilos> he normally does next time i say something
[10:36] <Kilos> twit bot
[10:36] <Kilos> Maaz, tell zerlgi hi
[10:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell zerlgi on freenode
[10:37] <Kilos> oh you put : behing my nick man
[10:37] <Kilos> behind
[10:37] <Kilos> Maaz, sorry
[10:37] <Maaz> Don't be sorry Kilos Be careful.
[10:37] <Kilos> ai!
[10:38] <zerlgi> ... most people have a colon at their behind :P
[10:38] <Maaz> zerlgi: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell zerlgi hi" 2 minutes and 13 seconds ago
[10:39] <Kilos> hehe
[10:39] <Kilos> thats better space 
[10:40] <space> :)
[10:40] <superfly> the final frontier!
[10:42] <zerlgi> ... was it whitespace? or b(l)ackspace
[10:42] <zerlgi> and was there dark matter around Uranus?
[10:47] <superfly> Just some Klingons
[10:49] <zerlgi> ;-)
[10:49] <zerlgi> hiding amongst the moons?
[10:54] <Kilos> hehe
[11:06] <mazal> Something big is wrong on my Thunderbird. The calendar data keep dissapearing :(
[11:06] <mazal> Put backup back , data there , reboot , data gone
[11:06] <Kilos> ai!
[11:06] <mazal> Looks like Ubuntu decided I had a break long enough , time to start breaking again
[11:06] <Kilos> lol
[11:07] <mazal> Oh Kilos , and I tried booting with an earlier kernel for that Unity dash issue , same problem 
[11:07] <Kilos> then its stuck in all the settings and your stuffs
[11:08] <Kilos> when i have that prob i reinstall
[11:08] <Kilos> need clever peeps to sort that
[11:08] <mazal> Don't have time re-install every two weeks
[11:09] <Kilos> you been hacked
[11:09]  * mazal mumbles something about so called technology
[11:09] <Kilos> lol
[11:09] <mazal> I'm so tired of stuff not working
[11:10] <mazal> Now I don't even want to reboot then thunderbird data gone again
[11:11] <Kilos> ai1
[12:39] <mazal> Enjoy your wekeend everyone
[12:39] <mazal> oops , weekend even
[12:39] <mazal> cheers
[14:01] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> hmm...?
[14:10] <Kilos> tired now k3b dont like the media in dwd writer
[14:10] <Kilos> nor does brasero
[14:12] <Kilos> new princo dvd'
[14:12] <Kilos> grrr
[14:56] <Kilos> almost like getting new sticks that arent formatted. gotta format before use
[14:56] <Kilos> wont work on a dvd
[14:56] <Kilos> grrr
[15:37] <nuvolari> o/ alo
[15:37] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[15:37] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[15:38] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: yeah, I've noticed, I am accustomed to tea now :P I wake up before my alarm clock and I don't feel as tired any longer
[15:38] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit oom Kilos ?
[15:38]  * nuvolari gaan huistoe
[15:38] <Kilos> goed dankie nuvolari en jy?
[15:39] <Kilos> mooi loop
[18:18] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting monday night at 20.30 guys
[18:18] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Monthly meeting monday night at 20.30 guys
[18:23] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos - meeting this monday
[18:23] <kbmonkey> thanks for the announce
[18:23] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey yessir
[18:23] <Kilos> np
[18:23] <kbmonkey> roger that command
[18:23] <Kilos> i normally send a mail and tweet too.
[18:24] <kbmonkey> you are too good man
[18:24] <Kilos> no man
[18:24] <Kilos> i been busy
[18:24] <kbmonkey> say this twitter thing, do you use some client app for that?
[18:24] <Kilos> stupid new dvds i cant write remastersys.iso to
[18:24] <kbmonkey> that sucks
[18:25] <Kilos> ya there is birdie-granite for ubuntu and
[18:25] <Kilos> um
[18:25] <Kilos> thats kde thing
[18:25] <Kilos> um
[18:25] <Kilos> er
[18:26] <Kilos> k3b says it dont like the media
[18:26] <Kilos> so i dunno if the dvd's arent formatted or what
[18:26] <Kilos> they poup a window that says blank dvd what do you want to do
[18:26] <Kilos> grrr
[18:27] <Kilos> oh ya
[18:27] <Kilos> choqok
[18:27] <kbmonkey> ah okay
[18:27] <Kilos> thats the kde app that works
[18:27] <kbmonkey> rewritable dvd's?
[18:27] <Kilos> no
[18:27] <Kilos> dvd-r
[18:29] <kbmonkey> funy. k3b should handle those fine enough
[18:30] <Kilos> ya i thought so too
[18:30] <Kilos> brasero just gives some kinda log and says failed
[18:31] <Kilos> maybe they making them nowadays to only work with sucks
[18:32] <Kilos> i found a bug report with 12.04 with something similar so i tried it on maverick too but same prob
[18:32] <kbmonkey> no details given in k3b?
[18:32] <Kilos> might be dvd writer?
[18:32] <kbmonkey> maybe
[18:33] <Kilos> ya i got a saved log somewhere
[18:36] <Kilos> first k3b pops up this
[18:36] <Kilos> Unable to save bookmarks in /home/miles/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Insufficient permissions in target directory.. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[18:36] <Kilos> thats here on unity . i tried going to kubuntu and also cant write
[18:36] <Kilos> grrr
[18:36] <kbmonkey> that the only error?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> lol, funny if that is the reason it fails :p
[18:37] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20sEDTqTn
[18:38] <Kilos> no on kubuntu it doesnt give that error
[18:38] <Kilos> i think that link was the brasero log
[18:41] <Kilos> here is the k3b debug report
[18:41] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20qX6t9zv
[18:42] <kbmonkey> you see on line 66 for brasero says "errno 5"
[18:42] <kbmonkey> I am searching that now
[18:42] <Kilos> i had another one that said error 15
[18:42] <Kilos> thats where i got to a bug report
[18:42] <Kilos> grr
[18:43] <kbmonkey> do you have gnomebaker installed?
[18:43] <Kilos> maybe i should try burning another iso to dvd
[18:43] <Kilos> lemme check
[18:43] <kbmonkey> someone on launchpad bugs said running brasero with 'sudo' worked for them
[18:45] <Kilos> gnomebaker not in repos
[18:45] <Kilos> dvds are expensive now though
[18:45] <Kilos> 4.85 each
[18:46] <kbmonkey> you sure they are dvd's and not cd's?
[18:46] <Kilos> ya man i got 3 of each
[18:46] <Kilos> princo DVD-R
[18:49] <kbmonkey> I suggest you turn pc off and reconnect the cables to the dvd drive and the mobo
[18:50] <kbmonkey> if that no help, if you reboot and in grub menu if you can choose an older version of linux kernel?
[18:50] <kbmonkey> I see you have 3.2, see if there are older ones
[18:51] <Kilos> i have the same prob with maverick
[18:51] <Kilos> on k3b and brasero
[18:51] <Kilos> sudo brasero says
[18:51] <Kilos> please replace the disk with a supported cd dvd
[18:51] <Kilos> sigh
[18:53] <kbmonkey> sounds like your discs are broken. 
[18:54] <Kilos> ya but they new
[18:54] <Kilos> got them today
[18:54]  * Kilos cries
[18:54] <kbmonkey> does brasero have 'plugins' in its settings
[18:54] <Kilos> ?
[18:56] <kbmonkey> how large is that iso?? it it not too large?
[18:57] <kbmonkey> is it a live cd?
[18:57] <Kilos> The size of the file is over 2 GiB. Files larger than 2 GiB are not supported by the ISO9660 standard in its first and second versions (the most widespread ones).
[18:57] <Kilos> It is recommended to use the third version of the ISO9660 standard, which is supported by most operating systems, including Linux and all versions of Windows™.
[18:57] <Kilos> However, Mac OS X cannot read images created with version 3 of the ISO9660 standard.
[18:57] <Kilos> just got that
[18:57] <Kilos> thats going with sudo brasero
[18:57] <Kilos> this iso is 2.3g
[18:57] <kbmonkey> are you trying to burn the file to the disc, or trying to burn the _contents_ of the iso as a bootable disc?
[18:58] <Kilos> yes remastersys makes a live cd thats your full running os
[18:58] <kbmonkey> you backing it up in other words?
[18:58] <Kilos> nope im using the distro option
[18:58] <Kilos> otherwise it only does mile everything
[18:58] <Kilos> miles
[18:59] <kbmonkey> oh dear. guess the file is too large then.
[18:59] <kbmonkey> you don thave a usb instead?
[18:59] <Kilos> basically its a dvd of your running os
[18:59] <Kilos> i cant do the remastersys to usb
[19:00] <Kilos> took the iso and used unetbootin to do it but then it like an install iso
[19:00] <kbmonkey> eish.
[19:00] <Kilos> remastersys makes it same as booting from your drive
[19:00] <kbmonkey> I tried remastersys once, long ago. I could not get it right myself.
[19:01] <kbmonkey> now I just tar my system files XD
[19:01] <Kilos> i have kde and unity working but the backup ones
[19:02] <Kilos> you use same login and password as with you drive
[19:03] <Kilos> where do i get that iso9660 from
[19:04] <kbmonkey> um, I am not sure
[19:04] <kbmonkey> iso9660 is the file system specification for read-only media (like cd-roms)
[19:05] <Kilos> did you read my paste up a bit
[19:06] <Kilos> maybe i try force it to write the extras
[19:09] <kbmonkey> hmm, not sure what you mean by that. sorry man.
[19:09] <kbmonkey> I read the paste yes
[19:09] <kbmonkey> errno 5 :(
[19:10] <Kilos> ssssh its trying
[19:10] <kbmonkey> shhh
[19:12] <kbmonkey> the wind is howling tonight. it is making the 3g sad
[19:12] <kbmonkey> it dropped to 2g, and now 1g. lol.
[19:12] <Kilos> aw
[19:25] <Kilos> eish its made an iso in root
[19:25] <Kilos> /root/brasero.iso
[19:25] <Kilos> sigh
[19:28] <kbmonkey> sigh
[19:29] <Kilos> can the dvds really be unsupported types
[19:29] <kbmonkey> easier ways to backup
[19:30] <Kilos> no man i want it on dvd so i can install to a stick
[19:30] <kbmonkey> hang on - you want to install on usb stick?
[19:30] <Kilos> yessir
[19:31] <Kilos> i want my system installed on a stick
[19:32] <kbmonkey> but remastersys no works on usb :/ eish
[19:33] <Kilos> it will install to a stick once its on the dvd
[19:33] <Kilos> it installs like pure ubuntu
[19:33] <kbmonkey> some distros you just dd the iso to the usb then it becomes like bootable
[19:33] <kbmonkey> but no guarantee remastersys will do that
[19:33] <kbmonkey> it depends if it was remastered with syslinux bootstrap
[19:34] <Kilos> it can install to a drive so im sure it will install to a usb drive as well
[19:34] <Kilos> it installs your full working os to a drive so you dont need to do anything to carry on working
[19:35] <kbmonkey> it be very slow to run your OS off usb even
[19:35] <Kilos> same password and mail client and contacts and pidgin and xchat and everything works off the bat
[19:36] <Kilos> ya man
[19:36] <Kilos> i want it to be able to boot with it and fix other pcs
[19:36] <Kilos> not use permanently
[19:36] <kbmonkey> I would not put my contacts and personal things on such a disk. eek.
[19:36] <Kilos> no one touches my stuff
[19:37] <kbmonkey> paranoir
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <kbmonkey> you want it for the programs
[19:38] <Kilos> yessir all the installed tools i have here
[19:39] <Kilos> testdisk scalpel foremost and terminal use for fscks and so on and boot-repair
[19:40] <kbmonkey> well, you could save those apps debs and istall them in a live if you have to
[19:41] <Kilos> ya i can install from sratch if i have to but a remastersys iso will have everything in it immediately
[19:41] <kbmonkey> you need a Knoppix disc Kilos ;) that thing is fantastic
[19:42] <Kilos> whats that
[19:42] <kbmonkey> its debian kde live cd with all fixing tools
[19:42] <Kilos> size?
[19:43] <kbmonkey> no man its cd size - large
[19:43] <Kilos> night surfer data
[19:44] <Kilos> but whats it gonna do that my pc here cant do
[19:44] <kbmonkey> if you want something like that it good. may be best to shop around first.
[19:44] <kbmonkey> nothing your pc cannot do - unless you cant get remastersys working
[19:45] <Kilos> lol i will get it going somehow
[19:45] <Kilos> i now have the brasero.iso of the remastersys.iso
[19:46] <Kilos> gotta work out how to tell brasero to burn with that one command
[19:48] <Kilos> what would it be . i gotta do it from inside root because thats where the brasero.iso went
[19:48] <Kilos> grrr
[19:48] <kbmonkey> there is also system rescue cd. 420MB linux live usb. you can customize it too. http://www.sysresccd.org
[19:49] <kbmonkey> just saying, if you dont want to reinvent the wheel :)
[19:49] <Kilos> i have that on cd
[19:49] <kbmonkey> oh? well sorted. that has everything you want and more.
[19:49] <Kilos> but not as good as using my pc to fix things
[19:50] <kbmonkey> no?
[19:50] <kbmonkey> it has xfce
[19:50] <Kilos> nope i got testdisk and foremost and scalpel
[19:50] <Kilos> and boot-repair
[19:52] <Kilos> my pc rocks, just slowly
[19:52] <Kilos> and i have unity kde and maverick
[19:52] <kbmonkey> hehe alright :]
[19:52] <kbmonkey> think I will get the new systemrescue - have data to use in next 5 days
[19:53] <Kilos> ah
[19:53] <Kilos> some drives dont work with any tools till you run testdisk that sorts the partitions
[19:54] <kbmonkey> ugh, roaches
[20:01] <kbmonkey> i will download tomorrow - am actually pretty tired tonight -.-
[20:01] <Kilos> sigh
[20:01] <Kilos> :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=2h/CANNOT WRITE MEDIUM - INCOMPATIBLE FORMAT]: Wrong medium type
[20:01] <Kilos> :-( media is not formatted or unsupported.
[20:01] <Kilos> :-( write failed: Wrong medium type
[20:01] <kbmonkey> going to catch up on some sleep
[20:01] <Kilos> something wrong with these dvds i think
[20:01] <kbmonkey> oh noe man. that does not sound good
[20:01] <Kilos> ok kbmonkey sleep tight
[20:01] <kbmonkey> let us hope it is just those dvd's and not your dvd writer
[20:02] <Kilos> yeah have a good rest my friend
[20:02] <Kilos> ty for the help
[20:02] <kbmonkey> unless there is another way to make your system into a live cd...
[20:03] <kbmonkey> but no guarantee it will burn any better
[20:03] <Kilos> there is one thats replacing remastersys but not as good they say
[20:03] <Kilos> im sure its these dvds
[20:03] <Kilos> i have a sony here to that did the same thing
[20:03] <kbmonkey> now you got more coffee coasters
[20:03] <Kilos> lol
[20:03] <kbmonkey> of frisbees
[20:04] <kbmonkey> or wind chimes
[20:04] <Kilos> ya they can fly hey
[20:04] <kbmonkey> he he
[20:04] <Kilos> go sleep
[20:04] <kbmonkey> night Kilos - see you on the morrow!
[20:04] <Kilos> night kbmonkey 
[20:10] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight